Sure we may get the ball rolling. The Dubs will want to steamroll everyone so it'll be a right scrap for the 2nd spot.
Derry will be favourtes to get it. A lot will depend on how Meath and Cork can build. From a Kildare perspective I'd worry about where we are at. No clue of how we are fixed...
What are the feelings in the other counties?
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 16, 2023, 02:11:30 PM
Sure we may get the ball rolling. The Dubs will want to steamroll everyone so it'll be a right scrap for the 2nd spot.
Derry will be favourtes to get it. A lot will depend on how Meath and Cork can build. From a Kildare perspective I'd worry about where we are at. No clue of how we are fixed...
What are the feelings in the other counties?
Kildare showed good signs in the league last year from what I saw of them before failing to turn up against Dublin in Leinster. Would have them just behind Derry as favourites for second.
Ah it was more than a failure to show up, they were very naïve v the Dubs and Westmeath opened them up in the earlier game.
Any word from the Royal County lads on here? What is the mood music?
Derry have to get promoted. If they don't the bandwagon will stall. Last year they had 5/5 and then they met their Aughrim. Not once but twice.
Stalled my arse, they then won the Ulster championship and unto an All Ireland semi-final.
Quote from: shawshank on January 16, 2023, 03:45:51 PM
Stalled my arse, they then won the Ulster championship and unto an All Ireland semi-final.
Will is the future tense.
Staying in d2 would be bad news for Derry. They need to be playing the top teams regularly if they are serious about winning the all Ireland.
If we serious about winning an all Ireland we need some scoring forwards.
To be promoted
Dublin 1/12
Derry 5/6
Cork 10/3
Kildare 4/1
Meath 5/1
Clare 14/1
Louth 16/1
Limerick 20/1
Dublin v Kildare will be live on TG4 Saturday, 28th and deferred coverage or live on tg4.ie for Cork v Meath on Sunday 29th.
Derry will probably open up a bit more against some of the teams and based on last year they should go up with the Dubs.
The thing is with all the counties below those two, the wheels can come off very easily and you could end up in the Tailteann Cup handy enough! Cork, Kildare and Meath could all be great or useless within the space of a few games.
I wouldn't be putting any money on Derry. We haven't the forwards to justify those odds to be honest.
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 17, 2023, 10:24:20 AM
I wouldn't be putting any money on Derry. We haven't the forwards to justify those odds to be honest.
Yeah it's early days in the Derry development process under Gallagher.
We certainly struggle for scores, though, hopefully this year a couple of the younger panel players from last year will have pushed on enough to improve that.
It'll be interesting from a Derry perspective. Was last year a one year wonder, or will we progress. Goals for this year will be promotion in the first instance, but I honestly think Gallagher's goal will be an AI final (realistic or not - I think that will be the goal this year).
As for the league, Dublin obviously must be favourites, but you never know. Their league last year was not good and they did stumble through the championship.
Meath, hard to know where they are. With new management in place they are somewhat unknown.
Clare can make it difficult for anyone in the league, but unlikely to hit 2nd spot.
Any one of Derry, Cork, Kildare or Meath could finish 2nd.
But wouldn't be a massive shock either of Dublin slipped up in a few games and finished 2nd with one of those 4 taking top spot.
It is Gallaghers 4th season, until now the progression year on year has been tangible
It gets much harder from here on though.
Successive promotions, then stalled last year in Division 2... until Derry pulled off a major coup winning the Anglo Celt.
Defending Ulster will be difficult. The element of suprise is gone. Teams will be prepared now for the Donegal '12 tactics.
Derry wont be allowed to play on the counter attack so easily, plus the manic intensity evident last year is difficult to sustain
In order to maintain the trajectory into next season i think Gallagher really needs to get promoted.
I cant see anything other than Dublin winning Div2. So playing for second spot
Kildare is the only team i feel that will put that under threat.
Derry should get promoted, they have a proven defence and midfield.
Their options in the forward line appear to be improving with Niall Toner, Lachlan Murray & Ben McCarron starting the year well.
1st Dublin, 2nd Derry
Dublin are far from certainties to go up imo as they go through a transitionary period. Kildare, Meath, Cork and Derry will all have a chance of going up. Limerick and Louth look like strong favourites for the drop as the gap in quality between divisions 2 and 3 is a tough one to bridge.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 17, 2023, 10:44:42 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 17, 2023, 10:24:20 AM
I wouldn't be putting any money on Derry. We haven't the forwards to justify those odds to be honest.
Yeah it's early days in the Derry development process under Gallagher.
We certainly struggle for scores, though, hopefully this year a couple of the younger panel players from last year will have pushed on enough to improve that.
It'll be interesting from a Derry perspective. Was last year a one year wonder, or will we progress. Goals for this year will be promotion in the first instance, but I honestly think Gallagher's goal will be an AI final (realistic or not - I think that will be the goal this year).
As for the league, Dublin obviously must be favourites, but you never know. Their league last year was not good and they did stumble through the championship.
Meath, hard to know where they are. With new management in place they are somewhat unknown.
Clare can make it difficult for anyone in the league, but unlikely to hit 2nd spot.
Any one of Derry, Cork, Kildare or Meath could finish 2nd.
But wouldn't be a massive shock either of Dublin slipped up in a few games and finished 2nd with one of those 4 taking top spot.
Ulster will be versus either Munster or Leinster this year. It goes in a 3 year cycle and Connacht was last year.
Quote from: God14 on January 17, 2023, 12:46:13 PM
It is Gallaghers 4th season, until now the progression year on year has been tangible
It gets much harder from here on though.
Successive promotions, then stalled last year in Division 2... until Derry pulled off a major coup winning the Anglo Celt.
Defending Ulster will be difficult. The element of suprise is gone. Teams will be prepared now for the Donegal '12 tactics.
Derry wont be allowed to play on the counter attack so easily, plus the manic intensity evident last year is difficult to sustain
In order to maintain the trajectory into next season i think Gallagher really needs to get promoted.
I cant see anything other than Dublin winning Div2. So playing for second spot
Kildare is the only team i feel that will put that under threat.
Derry should get promoted, they have a proven defence and midfield.
Their options in the forward line appear to be improving with Niall Toner, Lachlan Murray & Ben McCarron starting the year well.
1st Dublin, 2nd Derry
I think that's lazy enough analysis.
On the 3 players mentioned - Toner has done well in the McKenna cup, Murray has been a bit up and down but obviously has talent and McCarron has been poor in a Derry jersey to be honest.
I just have a bad feeling for everyone else in the Division that the Dubs will get their shit together and clean house. It depends on how early they bring back the big guns. McCaffrey and Mannion (although he is not back to full fitness?) are huge boosts needless to say.
Surely Derry will be a lot more settled than say Meath and Cork who are bedding in new managers. And Kildare could be awful or great. The first game could be a write-off so we will see what happens after that.
Of course, Division 2 can be a basket case so who knows. Clare are a very good side on their day, plus Louth will be building too.
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 17, 2023, 01:19:08 PM
Quote from: God14 on January 17, 2023, 12:46:13 PM
It is Gallaghers 4th season, until now the progression year on year has been tangible
It gets much harder from here on though.
Successive promotions, then stalled last year in Division 2... until Derry pulled off a major coup winning the Anglo Celt.
Defending Ulster will be difficult. The element of suprise is gone. Teams will be prepared now for the Donegal '12 tactics.
Derry wont be allowed to play on the counter attack so easily, plus the manic intensity evident last year is difficult to sustain
In order to maintain the trajectory into next season i think Gallagher really needs to get promoted.
I cant see anything other than Dublin winning Div2. So playing for second spot
Kildare is the only team i feel that will put that under threat.
Derry should get promoted, they have a proven defence and midfield.
Their options in the forward line appear to be improving with Niall Toner, Lachlan Murray & Ben McCarron starting the year well.
1st Dublin, 2nd Derry
I think that's lazy enough analysis.
On the 3 players mentioned - Toner has done well in the McKenna cup, Murray has been a bit up and down but obviously has talent and McCarron has been poor in a Derry jersey to be honest.
I agree Derry have progressed year on year since Gallagher came in, but really the first two years are hard to gauge with Covid. Last year was the first normal season so I still think it's early in the development under Gallagher. Gallagher took over when we were at our lowest in 20 years so he really has moved things right direction.
The comparison between Donegal '12 and Derry is inevitable given Gallagher's involvement, but these are two different teams with different strengths and weaknesses.
Derry's tactics are the same as the majority of teams now. Tyrone play that way, Kerry to an extent, Galway did it last year. So you could compare everyone with Donegal '12 if comparing Derry to them.
Toner has looked really good the the McKenna cup and I think Murray has come on massively since last year. Ben McCarron is starting to get some time on the field but it looks a bit early for him. But we've played a new full back all the way through the McKenna cup and he's been strong. An entirely new midfield pairing too which has looked different. So Gallagher has been testing options around positioning and shape. Time will tell if that is for the better. We still have the Glen contingent to come back in, including two of the best footballers in the country in Conor Glass and Ethan Doherty.
It's early, but Derry seem to have strengthened the panel without making wholesale changes which can only be a good thing.
Dublin are the team to beat, but until we are a game or two in we won't really know how they or any of the teams are in relation to each other.
If Derry can get a tune out of Oisin McWilliams and Paudie Tad that will be huge. They weren't fit last year. Murray the best young forward we've produced in a while!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 17, 2023, 02:35:27 PM
If Derry can get a tune out of Oisin McWilliams and Paudie Tad that will be huge. They weren't fit last year. Murray the best young forward we've produced in a while!
Yep.
And Danny Tallon might be worth a call up after Glen's exploits too.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 17, 2023, 05:36:30 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 17, 2023, 02:35:27 PM
If Derry can get a tune out of Oisin McWilliams and Paudie Tad that will be huge. They weren't fit last year. Murray the best young forward we've produced in a while!
Yep.
And Danny Tallon might be worth a call up after Glen's exploits too.
He is definitely good enough, however after leaving the panel and with rumours Gallagher was not happy he left ..I sadly can't see it
When do the panels have to be named?
In Kildare we have no word from the camp and since we dropped out of the OB Cup it's all challenge games.
If you Comparing Donegal '12 and Derry, they had 3 consistent scoring forwards, Murphy, McBearty, McFadden. We got 1. Otherwise both teams are comparable.
What are the chances McFaul comes back to Derry this year?
Any of the Glen forwards come in and do a job for Derry?
E Bradley should be starting, not sure what Gallagher sees not starting him, saying we get hammered on the long ball at Midfield, otherwise try Tohill there as he's not a forward.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 19, 2023, 11:06:10 PM
E Bradley should be starting, not sure what Gallagher sees not starting him, saying we get hammered on the long ball at Midfield, otherwise try Tohill there as he's not a forward.
Emmett has opted out of the squad for 2023.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 19, 2023, 10:57:02 PM
What are the chances McFaul comes back to Derry this year?
Any of the Glen forwards come in and do a job for Derry?
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/01/17/news/no_return_for_mcfaul_for_final_charged_with_assault_battery_under_strict_bail_conditions_in_boston-3002312/
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 19, 2023, 10:57:02 PM
What are the chances McFaul comes back to Derry this year?
Any of the Glen forwards come in and do a job for Derry?
No idea what the chances are for McFaul. It will all depend on the outcome of legal proceedings in the US and it's anyone's guess what will happen there.
Danny Tallon from Glen I think would be a good addition for Derry, but not sure if him and Gallagher see eye-to-eye.
Realistically there's bound to be a couple more players from Glen in mix, at least as panel players. Glass, Doherty and Tallon are probably the stand out options.
Quote from: seafoid on January 20, 2023, 09:24:52 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 19, 2023, 10:57:02 PM
What are the chances McFaul comes back to Derry this year?
Any of the Glen forwards come in and do a job for Derry?
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/01/17/news/no_return_for_mcfaul_for_final_charged_with_assault_battery_under_strict_bail_conditions_in_boston-3002312/
Jaysus. Imagine marking someone wearing an ankle monitor lol
Is there no one with contacts could get him smuggled home on a container ship🤣
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 20, 2023, 11:22:58 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 20, 2023, 09:24:52 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 19, 2023, 10:57:02 PM
What are the chances McFaul comes back to Derry this year?
Any of the Glen forwards come in and do a job for Derry?
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/01/17/news/no_return_for_mcfaul_for_final_charged_with_assault_battery_under_strict_bail_conditions_in_boston-3002312/
Jaysus. Imagine marking someone wearing an ankle monitor lol
Is there no one with contacts could get him smuggled home on a container ship🤣
A Craigavon Rolex ;D
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 20, 2023, 11:22:58 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 20, 2023, 09:24:52 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 19, 2023, 10:57:02 PM
What are the chances McFaul comes back to Derry this year?
Any of the Glen forwards come in and do a job for Derry?
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/01/17/news/no_return_for_mcfaul_for_final_charged_with_assault_battery_under_strict_bail_conditions_in_boston-3002312/
Jaysus. Imagine marking someone wearing an ankle monitor lol
Is there no one with contacts could get him smuggled home on a container ship🤣
I'm sure the boys down the road in Bellaghy could help but would would they give Glen any more advantages over them 👀
Hard to see us going up without a tried and tested midfield and what will be an inexperienced full back line.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 20, 2023, 11:18:43 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 19, 2023, 10:57:02 PM
What are the chances McFaul comes back to Derry this year?
Any of the Glen forwards come in and do a job for Derry?
No idea what the chances are for McFaul. It will all depend on the outcome of legal proceedings in the US and it's anyone's guess what will happen there.
Danny Tallon from Glen I think would be a good addition for Derry, but not sure if him and Gallagher see eye-to-eye.
Realistically there's bound to be a couple more players from Glen in mix, at least as panel players. Glass, Doherty and Tallon are probably the stand out options.
he was dropped last year for messing about and was becoming toxic, Can't see him being asked back unless he changes his ways and its clear he hasn't. a header.
Div 2 kicking off this weekend:
Sat:
Derry v Limerick
Dublin v Kildare (TG4)
Sun:
Cork v Meath (TG4)
Clare v Louth
Any predictions?
The Sunday games are a toss up, slight preference to Cork and Clare given home advantage and Clare are hard enough to beat. Cork v Meath could be a draw.
I'd like to think Derry will win as given the drive for promotion this year it's essential to win the early games, but I don't know much about Limerick to be honest.
Dublin will likely beat Kildare, but that's based on them having a strong side out.
Quote from: shawshank on January 23, 2023, 01:02:39 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 20, 2023, 11:18:43 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 19, 2023, 10:57:02 PM
What are the chances McFaul comes back to Derry this year?
Any of the Glen forwards come in and do a job for Derry?
No idea what the chances are for McFaul. It will all depend on the outcome of legal proceedings in the US and it's anyone's guess what will happen there.
Danny Tallon from Glen I think would be a good addition for Derry, but not sure if him and Gallagher see eye-to-eye.
Realistically there's bound to be a couple more players from Glen in mix, at least as panel players. Glass, Doherty and Tallon are probably the stand out options.
he was dropped last year for messing about and was becoming toxic, Can't see him being asked back unless he changes his ways and its clear he hasn't. a header.
Classy!
Or truth, this is factual, he was dropped, he was becoming toxic. i.e. becoming a problem at the expanse of the team, therfore Gallagher bombed him I appreciate its subjective on my view he is a header. Considering his track record I think I'm being generous.
Quote from: shawshank on January 23, 2023, 02:22:35 PM
Or truth, this is factual, he was dropped, he was becoming toxic. i.e. becoming a problem at the expanse of the team, therfore Gallagher bombed him I appreciate its subjective on my view he is a header. Considering his track record I think I'm being generous.
Good man! Appreciate the generosity.
Classy & generosity, hypocrisy at its best. People on glass houses
'Not a chance he'll be sacked. The subservient rats are all over twitter defending him. Pity they didn't all congregate in a big hotel again, in say Brighton!'
So what was Gallagher excuse for J Doherty, who he played like in 3mins of games, pure silly mess not using him more. He's made it clear he not play under Gallagher due to zero game time last year. I think he better than a few in the forwards and can play Midfield and Half back too.
Dublin, Derry, Cork and Clare all seem like safe bets in Round 1. Honestly have a feeling with Kildare and Meath could fall asunder or go on a big run easily.
If Kildare keep it within 8 and show they can tighten things up in Croker then it's progress.
#Losers
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/24/aig-will-not-renew-sponsorship-deal-with-dublin-gaa/
They'll have no trouble getting a replacement.
Their teams' games are always on TV.
Will the Limerick v Derry game be streamed anywhere?
Will Derry have Glen players available for the weekend?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 23, 2023, 10:05:40 PM
So what was Gallagher excuse for J Doherty, who he played like in 3mins of games, pure silly mess not using him more. He's made it clear he not play under Gallagher due to zero game time last year. I think he better than a few in the forwards and can play Midfield and Half back too.
Considering how much Gallagher has gotten right, I hazard a guess he doesn't think he is good enough or doesn't trust him. The step up from a good club player to county is massive. The fact that Doherty walked away when the going was tough for him underpins Gallagher's position on him. Sure whenever you get the gig you can play him for more than 3 mins.
Ya know how people look at Kildare and Meath and ask what is going on? They have big enough populations and the likes. Kildare have underage success too.
Today the Kildare jersey was 'launched' and it was more of a sponsorship announcement. No buzz at all and we decide to do it after the bauld Santy has been and gone.
We have no clue who is even on the panel and they decided to play behind closed doors after dropping out of the OB Cup. There are rumours that they were trying to get a challenge game the same night the Louth match was due to be played.
That's not to mention Conleths is the worst ground in Ireland. We charged 22 into the County Final and have no streaming of any games. And before anyone says anything we do actually have a full time CEO.
I am getting the excuses in early but honestly think this year could go either way...
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 25, 2023, 03:23:49 PM
Ya know how people look at Kildare and Meath and ask what is going on? They have big enough populations and the likes. Kildare have underage success too.
Today the Kildare jersey was 'launched' and it was more of a sponsorship announcement. No buzz at all and we decide to do it after the bauld Santy has been and gone.
We have no clue who is even on the panel and they decided to play behind closed doors after dropping out of the OB Cup. There are rumours that they were trying to get a challenge game the same night the Louth match was due to be played.
That's not to mention Conleths is the worst ground in Ireland. We charged 22 into the County Final and have no streaming of any games. And before anyone says anything we do actually have a full time CEO.
I am getting the excuses in early but honestly think this year could go either way...
On the dump that is Conleth's, with all the money in the county, esp when Geezer was there, how was there never a project to renovate it? Worst ground in Ireland by far
Ah they made a mess of it during the Celtic Tiger. Then they built Hawkfield Centre of Excellence and since then the money has been a mess.
Back to the games any interesting team news or the likes? Like I said, I honestly have no idea who is even on the panel and we are hoping a team will be named by 4.59pm on Saturday!!
Newbridge is sad state last time there a few years bck. Alot of money in the country, All that money paid to a certain Armagh man been better used for part funding upgrade works.
Kildare panel named here. Amazed to see Feely in the mix as he did his Achilles in August, but seemingly he is well ahead.
https://kildaregaa.ie/kildare-senior-football-panel-allianz-league-2023/
(https://meath.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Instagram-Story-Meath-v-Cork-768x1365.png)
Very young and inexperienced team for Meath against Cork on Sunday. Only Keoghan and Cillian O'Sullivan have played more than 40 games for Meath with Adam O'Neill to play his first senior game ever. Midfield untested at this level so it'll be interesting to see how they get on.
Harry Hogan (Longwood) – 17 Appearances
Adam O'Neill (Wolfe Tones) – 0 Appearances
Michael Flood (St. Brigid's) – 3 Appearances
Cathal Hickey (Seneschalstown) – 20 Appearances
Eoin Harkin (Dunsany) – 21 Appearances
Donal Keogan (Rathkenny) – 140 Appearances
Daniel O'Neill (Wolfe Tones) – 11 Appearances
Ronan Jones (St. Peter's Dunbyone) – 22 Appearances
Daithí McGowan (Ratoath) – 5 Appearances
Cillian O'Sullivan (Moynalvey) – 91 Appearances
Jason Scully (Oldcastle) – 21 Appearances
Darragh Campion (Skryne) – 22 Appearances
Jordan Morris (Kingscourt Stars) – 23 Appearances
Mathew Costello (Dunshaughlin) – 27 Appearances
Shane Walsh (Na Fianna) – 24 Appearances
Are we very light on Cork heads here? They seem to be building a bit, but they can be a basket case.
Looking at that Meath team you'd imagine a decent year in Division 2 and allow lads build from there is a fair bet.
Dublin, Derry then Cork or Kildare in 3rd spot.
V v strong Dubs team.
https://twitter.com/DubGAAOfficial/status/1619319621739503616?t=YJqPOkXppPw9aIN1F98fCA&s=19
Glen's Conor Glass & Ethan Doherty starting for Derry, with Conleth McGuckian on the bench. Gallagher and his management doesn't believe in any resting it seems.
Derry 0-7 Limerick 0-2 at half time and the result Derry 0-16 Limerick 0-4.
This Dublin Kildare game not looking competitive so far. Not sure it should be televised or even played in Croker with the pitch. Although I understand Parnell is too small.
Very strong Dublin team out
Half time Dublin 1-5 Kildare 0-6. Brian Fenton goal on 6 minutes the difference. Niall Sully point on 34 mins was the first score from play from the 6 Dublin starting forwards.
Derry cruised to victory. Limerick were very disappointing. Derry had a strong team out, could have won by more but hit a good few wide/short.
Dublin's forwards have found their range in this 2nd half with Costello,Kilkenny and O'Callaghan all scoring from play. Kildare still hanging in there 1-10 to 0-10 60 minutes played.
Derry were good to a point, defensively great, missed 6-8pts that they couldn't do against Kildare or Dublin. Played most of the game in 2nd gear. Limerick missed 5+ easy scoring chances themselves. Found Derry very hard to break down.
No issues with subs either at Croke.. 2 point game 5 plus injury 😉
Quote from: full moon on January 28, 2023, 05:08:53 PM
This Dublin Kildare game not looking competitive so far. Not sure it should be televised or even played in Croker with the pitch. Although I understand Parnell is too small.
Very strong Dublin team out
17000 per RTE
Kildare the better team, forwards throwing game away with some poor attempts at goal. Unlucky with goal attempt hitting post. Kildare have to work hard to get frees, Dublin on the other hand. Fenton & Small dropped on their asses with one fair, one unfair shoulder.
Dublin probably saving themselves for bigger days.
Dublin 1-11 Kildare 0-13 the result.
Small hit, I though was shoulder to shoulder and side to side, at the time, though was a good hard hit, it may have been high but still didn't look a free on the replay.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 28, 2023, 06:42:02 PM
Small hit, I though was shoulder to shoulder and side to side, at the time, though was a good hard hit, it may have been high but still didn't look a free on the replay.
If he played the ball and shoulder comes in, and a fair one it was, is it a free?
Horrible comment. Absolutely no place in our game or culture for this.
Quote from: Silver hill on January 29, 2023, 12:04:49 AM
Horrible comment. Absolutely no place in our game or culture for this.
Since when....?
Well, good manners , common decency , good upbringing......
Since all of that were part of how we interact with each other. Comments about his looks or appearance are totally irrelevant and should have no place on here.
If you think it's ok, that's fair enough, work away. I just don't agree with it.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 28, 2023, 06:25:39 PM
Derry were good to a point, defensively great, missed 6-8pts that they couldn't do against Kildare or Dublin. Played most of the game in 2nd gear. Limerick missed 5+ easy scoring chances themselves. Found Derry very hard to break down.
Yeah Derry never really got going, pedestrian pace all the way through and were still in complete control.
Limerick were very poor.
Derry could have won by twice as much.
Good to get early points, but looking at Kildare and Dublin yesterday, promotion will be difficult.
Very impressed with Kildare. Thought the ref was very sore on them on a number of occasions with clear, scorable frees not being given. Agree that Derry might struggle to make that top two position.
On on the one we could have got a result...but it was a proper game to the death v Dublin in Croke Park so a massive improvement.
Feely getting on is a huge boost.
Meath are about to bate Cork. Very interesting.
3rd Meath goal should been disallowed, Lad took nearly 10 steps if not more.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 29, 2023, 06:52:19 PM
3rd Meath goal should been disallowed, Lad took nearly 10 steps if not more.
Steps are regularly missed not sure what can be done there. O'Rourke seems to have Meath in decent shape. Cork got relegated from Division 1 in 2016 and don't look any closer to returning.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 29, 2023, 06:52:19 PM
3rd Meath goal should been disallowed, Lad took nearly 10 steps if not more.
That's one for the CCCC, should they forfeit fine or replay the game? ;D I'm only joking! Too many steps becoming more and more an issue, I'm generally lenient depending on scenario tbf, the piss take extra turn before hopping or toe tap I'll blow.
I'm noticing the elongated hop in the game now, not sure how to describe that but they look as if they are going to bounce the ball but it takes 'ages' but the motion is there? Does that make sense?
Sure if the ref didn't see it then it didn't happen. Perfectly legit goal. ;D
Great start to the league. Looked like the same oul s***e in the first half but they really came out in the second. Shane Walsh finally showing his capabilities in the county jersey. Midfield coped well despite not having midfielders. The young defense was hard working throughout and even though we got cut open a few times they stuck to it and were really solid in the second half.
Very pleasantly surprised by the performance. Cork were a bit one dimensional going forward and were over reliant on Sherlock for scores.
This is a fabulous line
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/29/colm-orourke-off-to-winning-start-in-league-as-meath-rally-to-catch-cork-in-final-quarter/
On a pet day, and on a fast pitch, two teams who could amount to anything or nothing produced a heart-warming match, full of splendid scores and permissive defending.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 29, 2023, 06:52:19 PM
3rd Meath goal should been disallowed, Lad took nearly 10 steps if not more.
Saw this on the highlights. How that one was missed I don't know. Must have had 10 steps at least, didnt even look close.
Whilst Cork v Meath looked like a good game, both defences were wide open. Won't get away with that playing Dublin/Kildare/Derry(hopefully).
But both seem to have improved a lot over the winter to be fair.
Some good point scoring from both sides.
I know we've only had one weekend of football, but based on form at the minute, Limerick favourites to go back down.
Dublin/Kildare favourites to go up.
Derry totally untested so couldn't comment on them, other than to say they should have won by a lot more than they did.
Louth should be a sterner test than Limerick were, away from home too. Will be interesting.
Jack Robinson a fine forward for Kildare. Think Kildare should beat Derry and Cork handy enough.
Meath look better. If you just take 2 matches, Meath, Cork, Dublin and the Flourbags would expect to be playing for Sam.
The others are Derry, Clare, Louth and Limerick. Derry definitely would expect to be in the mix.
It's only 16 spots and Westmeath and one of Sligo/Leitrim are already in
It's going to be very complicated.
Provincial draws are so random as well.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2023, 07:53:05 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 29, 2023, 06:52:19 PM
3rd Meath goal should been disallowed, Lad took nearly 10 steps if not more.
That's one for the CCCC, should they forfeit fine or replay the game? ;D I'm only joking! Too many steps becoming more and more an issue, I'm generally lenient depending on scenario tbf, the piss take extra turn before hopping or toe tap I'll blow.
I'm noticing the elongated hop in the game now, not sure how to describe that but they look as if they are going to bounce the ball but it takes 'ages' but the motion is there? Does that make sense?
aye i remember that elongated hop being talked about, either Kilkenny or Fenton was doing it for the Dubs, they take 3/4 steps then start raising their hand with ball in it and bounce ball, by which time they've taken another 3 or 4 steps
That has been around a long time. Alan Brogan was a great man for it, and even now in Kildare Dan Flynn must get around 12 steps out of some of his big bounces in full flow.
I'm not against it as in all honesty it presents the ball to defenders if they get near it.
If we can follow that game up with a win against Clare at home that'll be a good boost going away to Derry. If we got a point from the Derry game I'd be happy enough. Louth at home you'd like to think would be a win but no guarantees.
Quote from: thejuice on January 31, 2023, 11:38:35 AM
If we can follow that game up with a win against Clare at home that'll be a good boost going away to Derry. If we got a point from the Derry game I'd be happy enough. Louth at home you'd like to think would be a win but no guarantees.
Div2 looks like it is going to be very tight.
Clare just got over the line in the last 10 mins against Louth so not much between them and Clare are hard to beat.
Kildare are looking strong, Meath and Cork have improved, Derry with high hopes, and Dublin probably favourites but I feel are also beatable.
Limerick, based on one game, look like they are going straight back down.
Derry will absolutely want to make sure of wins against Louth and Clare, but I'm sure both will be targeting Derry as wins too.
For all the other games it could be toss of a coin and there could be a few draws in this division, however, until Meath/Cork come up against one of Dublin/Kildare/Derry we won't really know what they are like. Their defences looked really open at the weekend, but their attacking play was impressive. How effective that attack can be against teams that are better defensively remains to be seen.
It's brilliant to have the football back though.
Funny the bit of excitement around Meath all of a sudden even though we beat Cork by 8 points last year. Having said that we were brutal in the games before that. We beat Clare in the league and lost the championship game. We looked dead against Clare in the championship. No fight at all. Hopefully we'll start like we finished against cork.
Costello and Walsh were at the centre of things last night for DCU. Hopefully they're healthy for Sunday.
Derry have improved alot from last year, to the point I fancy a tight game at home with Dublin, given our record in Newbridge is not good, I expect Kildare to beat us there. The rest, I can't see them beating Derry. Still think there a few better players in the county but likely can't get to the fitness level or Gallagher wouldn't recall them after leaving panel in previous yrs.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 01, 2023, 02:49:52 PM
Derry have improved alot from last year, to the point I fancy a tight game at home with Dublin, given our record in Newbridge is not good, I expect Kildare to beat us there. The rest, I can't them beating Derry. Still think there a few better players in the county but likely can't get to the fitness level or Gallagher wouldn't recall them after leaving panel in previous yrs.
It's hard to tell if we've improved as we can only base that on Mckenna cup (Fermanagh, Down, and Tyrone) then a game against Limerick.
With Tyrone not looking the best, it's difficult to guage where we are.
We haven't played well in some games but still got a result, which is good. But you have to take into account the level teams we've been playing are at too.
Dublin were very rusty but we didn't give them much so you'd imagine they will kick on. Plus there are so many big names to come back.
Kildare v Cork will give us a good gauge of where we are at, but Kevin Feely and Ben McCormack both got decent minutes v the Dubs and they are big players. Feely ruptured his Achilles in August so his recovery is unbelievable. I had him written off.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 02, 2023, 04:29:34 PM
Dublin were very rusty but we didn't give them much so you'd imagine they will kick on. Plus there are so many big names to come back.
Kildare v Cork will give us a good gauge of where we are at, but Kevin Feely and Ben McCormack both got decent minutes v the Dubs and they are big players. Feely ruptured his Achilles in August so his recovery is unbelievable. I had him written off.
Kildare definitely looked the fitter team. Must be ahead of Dubs in training schedules.
Meath team for Clare game. Costello rested this week after seigerson game while Walsh stays in the starting 15. Great chance for Moriarty to shine at this level.
Harry Hogan (Longwood)
Adam O'Neill (Wolfe Tones)
Michael Flood (St. Brigid's)
Cathal Hickey (Seneschalstown)
Eoin Harkin (Dunsany)
Donal Keogan (Capt) (Rathkenny)
Daniel O'Neill (Wolfe Tones)
Ronan Jones (St. Peter's Dunboyne)
Daithí McGowan (Ratoath)
Cillian O'Sullivan (Moynalvey)
Jason Scully (Oldcastle)
Darragh Campion (Skryne)
Jordan Morris (Nobber)
Diarmuid Moriarty (Curraha)
Shane Walsh (Na Fianna)
Sean Brennan (Dunderry)
James O'Hare (Rathkenny)
Harry O'Higgins (Drumbaragh Emmets)
Shane Crosby (Duleek-Bellewstown)
Robin Clarke (Duleek-Belllewstown)
Brían Conlon (Simonstown Gaels)
Shane McEntee (St. Peter's Dunboyne)
Jack O'Connor (Curraha)
Donal Lenihan (St. Peter's Dunboyne)
Thomas O'Reilly (Wolfe Tones)
Aaron Lynch (Trim)
That Louth game in Ardee tomorrow, is that the pitch at the end of the town St Mary's? Doesn't seem to be much parking around it. Plus weren't best place in town for drink before the game, got to keep the passengers happy!
Dan Flynn starts for Kildare. Him and Robinson could be great inside. Both can take on and beat players.
Ben McCormack, Kevin Feely and Jimmy Hyland in reserve...
Big game for ourselves and Cork
Cork walloping Kildare.
Meath three goals again but a bit less on the points front and Clare catching up.
Derry Louth interesting too. All square.
It is HORRENDOUSLY BAD!
We seem to be opened up at any stage while also clogging up our own space up front.
We're finding the goals anyway but not tight at the back. At least we're staying in front and not letting good leads slip. Shane Walsh getting injured is a bit of a loss but Lenihan has stepped in nicely. Seems a bit silly of Colm moaning about players playing too much with sigerson but he still picked Walsh to start. Should have rested him clearly.
Anyway, Derry next week is a big step up and if we can get a point from it up there that would be a solid start.
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I think it's time us Kildare fans take a step back and really look at Kildare football. Unfortunately we'll never be good enough to challenge on a regular basis. No Leinster in 20+ years. A couple of moral boosting wins in league and championship to keep us going. The reality is that football in Kildare is not good enough.
Time for us GAA fans in Kildare to start following our hurlers more. They are improving the whole time.
The hurlers don't get enough credit at all and the people involved are real hurling men.
That game was awful. I mean it was like John Cleary handed in a set of instructions to the Kildare dressing room and they duly obliged to give them the game!
There is no movement up front and somehow, despite having loads of bodies around, one pop pass opens up our entire defence who are ball watching. The overall issue is we are always passive. Good if we are given space but terrible aside.
As many pointed out a Kildare man is in Division 1 now with Roscommon who made it very clear he wanted it. But we need to look at the whole thing overall. Tailteann Cup here we come!
Is everything ok with management / in the squad etc? To me in the Dublin game there didn't seem much belief in particular. You just looked a bit of a deflated team and you did beat Dublin in the league last year so at least in the league there should have been a bit of belief there.
Quote from: mup on February 07, 2023, 10:45:53 AM
I think it's time us Kildare fans take a step back and really look at Kildare football. Unfortunately we'll never be good enough to challenge on a regular basis. No Leinster in 20+ years. A couple of moral boosting wins in league and championship to keep us going. The reality is that football in Kildare is not good enough.
Time for us GAA fans in Kildare to start following our hurlers more. They are improving the whole time.
Kidare isa hurling county now. Naas making great stride in recent years. All credit to Seanie Johnson.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 07, 2023, 02:52:42 PM
The hurlers don't get enough credit at all and the people involved are real hurling men.
That game was awful. I mean it was like John Cleary handed in a set of instructions to the Kildare dressing room and they duly obliged to give them the game!
There is no movement up front and somehow, despite having loads of bodies around, one pop pass opens up our entire defence who are ball watching. The overall issue is we are always passive. Good if we are given space but terrible aside.
As many pointed out a Kildare man is in Division 1 now with Roscommon who made it very clear he wanted it. But we need to look at the whole thing overall. Tailteann Cup here we come!
Crazy not to give job to Davey Burke.
Keep away from our Davy!!!
Quote from: Rossfan on February 07, 2023, 03:14:20 PM
Keep away from our Davy!!!
The Rossies must be şome bucks to both Burke and McHugh.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 07, 2023, 02:59:54 PM
Is everything ok with management / in the squad etc? To me in the Dublin game there didn't seem much belief in particular. You just looked a bit of a deflated team and you did beat Dublin in the league last year so at least in the league there should have been a bit of belief there.
Well we pulled out of the O'Byrne Cup and there is no real chat about them. Normally things would get out. Maybe it was a bad sign...like I will always say that Kildare have the lowest football IQ of any team playing.
There are lads who are serious players at times but they also do some of the dumbest shit going and we never seem to learn.
It's only 2 games in. Kildare are a mid table D2 team. Dubs and Derry would be the the hardest matches. So they would have 8 points to play for.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 07, 2023, 02:59:54 PM
Is everything ok with management / in the squad etc? To me in the Dublin game there didn't seem much belief in particular. You just looked a bit of a deflated team and you did beat Dublin in the league last year so at least in the league there should have been a bit of belief there.
Paul Galvin left the camp just before the league. He was a skills coach.
A huge weekend for Div 2.
Derry v Meath - this game could go a long way toward deciding who gets promoted given form so far. Derry I would say have stumbled to 2 victories so far without really firing. Meath probably a bit of a surprise package so far but looking to at least maintain Div2 status. Tough game to call but I'll give Derry a tentative nod as I think the Meath defence is a bit too open.
Clare v Kildare - Clare are hard to beat and Kildare are struggling. Kildare really need a win quickly and if they don't get it here they could easily get relegated. Hard game to call.
Louth v Limerick - Louth at home to a really disappointing Limerick. I can see Limerick not winning a game in the division at this point. Louth win.
Cork v Dublin - Cork have been going well enough but I think the defence will let them down against Dublin. Dublin have just been going about their business without looking awesome they don't look like getting beat.
Meath:
Harry Hogan (Longwood),
Adam O'Neill (Wolfe Tones) ,
Michael Flood (St. Brigid's) ,
Harry O'Higgins (Drumbaragh Emmets) ,
Jack O'Connor (Curraha) ,
Donal Keogan (Capt) (Rathkenny) ,
Cathal Hickey (Seneschalstown),
Ronan Jones (St. Peter's Dunboyne),
Daithí McGowan (Ratoath),
Cillian O'Sullivan (Moynalvey),
Jason Scully (Oldcastle),
Darragh Campion (Skryne),
Jordan Morris (Kingscourt Stars),
Donal Lenihan (St. Peter's Dunboyne),
Shane Walsh (Na Fianna)
Subs: Sean Brennan (Dunderry), James O'Hare (Rathkenny), Daniel O'Neill (Wolfe Tones), Shane Crosby (Duleek-Bellewstown), Robin Clarke (Duleek-Belllewstown), Brían Conlon (Simonstown Gaels), Shane McEntee (St. Peter's Dunboyne), Eoin Harkin (Dunsany), Diarmuid Moriarty (Curraha), Thomas O'Reilly (Wolfe Tones), Aaron Lynch (Trim)
Meath unchanged. Shane Walsh back fit but Costello still out. If Walsh is not fully fit Moriarty to start instead I would expect. Toughest challenge for Colm so far but he seems to have settled on a starting 15 and has been quick to make changes when needed and it's worked out so far.
Kildare unchanged from the Cork game. Surely we won't line out like that, so it's another pointless team sheet.
If Clare pack around the D we will do all the hard work by clogging it all up and our forwards as a unit do not move defenders around.
Meanwhile we are somehow still leaving space on our end. We have v low football IQ. The first Cork goal had 8 defenders all pulled to one side and we allowed a clean run through.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 18, 2023, 10:30:31 AM
Kildare unchanged from the Cork game. Surely we won't line out like that, so it's another pointless team sheet.
If Clare pack around the D we will do all the hard work by clogging it all up and our forwards as a unit do not move defenders around.
Meanwhile we are somehow still leaving space on our end. We have v low football IQ. The first Cork goal had 8 defenders all pulled to one side and we allowed a clean run through.
Clare defence was poor against Meath. Need Ciaran Russell at centre back(named on bench) Would expect Kildare to win this. Key player Emmet McMahon was cramping badly in Sigerson final so might be doubtful for tomorrow.
got a feeling meath will be heading back to drawing board after today. Louth should get over limerick if produce performance like last day. dubs to sneak by cork and kildare to do likewise though a home victory in either of those could happen.
Who the f**k is this ref?
Rory Gallagher still spitting on his hands, surely not needed with all that rain?
Sean Cavanagh's pre-match analysis:
Derry rely too much on scores from Shane McGuigan
Derry score 2-08 in the first half, McGuigan with 0-01 of that total.
Quote from: screenexile on February 18, 2023, 05:19:53 PM
Who the f**k is this ref?
He was just enjoying a pint in Hagans and they sent him out with the whistle , just for the craic.
Quote from: Estimator on February 18, 2023, 05:41:53 PM
Sean Cavanagh's pre-match analysis:
Derry rely too much on scores from Shane McGuigan
Derry score 2-08 in the first half, McGuigan with 0-01 of that total.
Great player shocking poor pundit
Sideways football would melt your brain!! 3 points in 43 minutes
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2023, 06:02:24 PM
Sideways football would melt your brain!! 3 points in 43 minutes
They are actually kicking it, but not.working.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2023, 06:02:24 PM
Sideways football would melt your brain!! 3 points in 43 minutes
They are actually kicking it, but not.working.
Derry sideways Meath not able to score
the commentator said that Derry had great handling!
Ger Canning is stealing a living.
Quote from: pbat on February 18, 2023, 06:11:25 PM
Ger Canning is stealing a living.
So was Colm O'Rourke as a pundit on RTE for 30 years. Now he's stealing a living as a Manager.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 18, 2023, 05:27:38 PM
Rory Gallagher still spitting on his hands, surely not needed with all that rain?
Disgusting habit. Sicken you to watch him when camera is on him.
O'Rourke could never understand why teams don't kick the ball more.... He maybe does now!
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2023, 06:22:02 PM
Quote from: pbat on February 18, 2023, 06:11:25 PM
Ger Canning is stealing a living.
So was Colm O'Rourke as a pundit on RTE for 30 years. Now he's stealing a living as a Manager.
If Declan Mc Bennett had any sense he should run the contracts down on Ger, Marty and Des and try and bring the GAA coverage into the 21st century.
Quote from: pbat on February 18, 2023, 06:25:45 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2023, 06:22:02 PM
Quote from: pbat on February 18, 2023, 06:11:25 PM
Ger Canning is stealing a living.
So was Colm O'Rourke as a pundit on RTE for 30 years. Now he's stealing a living as a Manager.
If Declan Mc Bennett had any sense he should run the contracts down on Ger, Marty and Des and try and bring the GAA coverage into the 21st century.
Absolutely! There have to be younger guys closer to the game who can do the job and bring some new energy to it.
Thomas Niblock has been a revelation for the BBC he's an excellent commentator and the podcast he started is nearly essential listening for any GAA fan.
Quote from: screenexile on February 18, 2023, 06:23:46 PM
O'Rourke could never understand why teams don't kick the ball more.... He maybe does now!
Must be time for him to eat his hat. In fairness to Rourke, Meath have average enough players and he's not going to make them into anything else
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 06:29:28 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 18, 2023, 06:23:46 PM
O'Rourke could never understand why teams don't kick the ball more.... He maybe does now!
Must be time for him to eat his hat. In fairness to Rourke, Meath have average enough players and he's not going to make them into anything else
Zero game plan they had under O'Rourke and no doubt he'll bemoan about modern football after that match. Louth with "average enough players" gave a far better account of themselves against Derry because they have a manager that knows how to set a team up and make themselves more difficult to beat.
100% right CO as much as it's shite to watch you can't win playing open expansive football Donegal put that notion to bed against the Dubs in 2014!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 18, 2023, 06:39:23 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 06:29:28 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 18, 2023, 06:23:46 PM
O'Rourke could never understand why teams don't kick the ball more.... He maybe does now!
Must be time for him to eat his hat. In fairness to Rourke, Meath have average enough players and he's not going to make them into anything else
Zero game plan they had under O'Rourke and no doubt he'll bemoan about modern football after that match. Louth with "average enough players" gave a far better account of themselves against Derry because they have a manager that knows how to set a team up and make themselves more difficult to beat.
I don't disagree, my point is Meath arent that good and not good enough to make Div1. The hype about them is hype about a celebrity manager.
Is there no press box at any of the grounds. Standing in the rain trying to give analysis looks poor..
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 18, 2023, 06:52:11 PM
Is there no press box at any of the grounds. Standing in the rain trying to give analysis looks poor..
Camera work was poor too, not talking about the rain. It seemed an awful long way away from play when action moved to the goals.
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 07:02:15 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 18, 2023, 06:52:11 PM
Is there no press box at any of the grounds. Standing in the rain trying to give analysis looks poor..
Camera work was poor too, not talking about the rain. It seemed an awful long way away from play when action moved to the goals.
Would have thought the natural position for it woild be in the stand where the county board stream matches from and that is fairly decent coverage, maybe wouldn't work with the camera needed by RTE for this
Poor shooting really let us down but ultimately it's disappointing but not all that surprising. No surprise that we'd get caught out playing the style of play that we've taken but at the same time shot selection and accuracy didn't help at all.
Quote from: thejuice on February 18, 2023, 07:13:28 PM
Poor shooting really let us down but ultimately it's disappointing but not all that surprising. No surprise that we'd get caught out playing the style of play that we've taken but at the same time shot selection and accuracy didn't help at all.
Do you not think the poor shooting was in the last quarter when game was well over?
Quote from: thejuice on February 18, 2023, 07:13:28 PM
Poor shooting really let us down but ultimately it's disappointing but not all that surprising. No surprise that we'd get caught out playing the style of play that we've taken but at the same time shot selection and accuracy didn't help at all.
I didn't see much of any style of play to be honest, Derry were so dominant in every sector. You actually were quite efficient with your chances in first half, didnt miss many. Missed a lot last quarter when game was over
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2023, 06:22:02 PM
Quote from: pbat on February 18, 2023, 06:11:25 PM
Ger Canning is stealing a living.
So was Colm O'Rourke as a pundit on RTE for 30 years. Now he's stealing a living as a Manager.
Nonsense. As well qualified as anyone in Meath to be in the job.
Quote from: square_ball on February 18, 2023, 08:02:28 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2023, 06:22:02 PM
Quote from: pbat on February 18, 2023, 06:11:25 PM
Ger Canning is stealing a living.
So was Colm O'Rourke as a pundit on RTE for 30 years. Now he's stealing a living as a Manager.
Nonsense. As well qualified as anyone in Meath to be in the job.
He has been given a ringside seat to every top game and team for 15 years or more and still doesn't understand the modern game.
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 07:18:06 PM
Quote from: thejuice on February 18, 2023, 07:13:28 PM
Poor shooting really let us down but ultimately it's disappointing but not all that surprising. No surprise that we'd get caught out playing the style of play that we've taken but at the same time shot selection and accuracy didn't help at all.
Do you not think the poor shooting was in the last quarter when game was well over?
Missed the first half to be honest but going on the second half our shooting was deplorable. Unfortunately we're not going to get promoted with a makeshift midfield, we got by in the previous games but this was the real test of us against a top team and it's clear to see that there are still serious shortcomings.
Quote from: Estimator on February 18, 2023, 05:41:53 PM
Sean Cavanagh's pre-match analysis:
Derry rely too much on scores from Shane McGuigan
Derry score 2-08 in the first half, McGuigan with 0-01 of that total.
Cavanagh hasn't a clue or an original thought in his head.
He's perfect for rte, soundbites and clichés
Quote from: thejuice on February 18, 2023, 07:13:28 PM
Poor shooting really let us down but ultimately it's disappointing but not all that surprising. No surprise that we'd get caught out playing the style of play that we've taken but at the same time shot selection and accuracy didn't help at all.
Tv might not have shown it, but there was a strong breeze, especially at the car park end. Along with rain conditio s were ot great.
I thought meath were efficient enough with the number of chance they had. But Derry were totally dominant and forced meath to shoot from poor positions.
O'sullivan (I think.....number 10) is a serious footballer. Just did t have enough support.
Derry have certainly stepped up a gear from the last couple of matches. Looked more purposeful going forward, really tight at the back and for the first time this year won the midfield area.
Some very good individual displays, but all round team performance was excellent. Only very slight criticism is that we should have scored more goals and we should have used the subs earlier.
I'd be a lot more co fide t about remaining games now with Dublin being the biggest test.
It was more than a breeze, it was a 8pt very very strong wind that you only know if u were on the terraced side, goal at end of the first half gave us the gap we needed. On another note, what's the farce with so few programmes, how many do derry get printed?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 18, 2023, 10:50:02 PM
It was more than a breeze, it was a 8pt very very strong wind that you only know if u were on the terraced side, goal at end of the first half gave us the gap we needed. On another note, what's the farce with so few programmes, how many do derry get printed?
Derry likely are not used to supporters.
Derry aren't the best with 45s, McGrogan or Glass would catch a odd one but we very inconsistent. The keeper can kick the ball near 70/80m, how come over the past year or 2 that he not trained up to take 45's and long range frees?
Is Derry Dublin game sold out?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 18, 2023, 11:16:24 PM
Is Derry Dublin game sold out?
Had a look there and it doesn't seem to be. I can't see how it sells out have we ever sold a game out? Maybe the AIF in 93!
Quote from: Derryman forever on February 18, 2023, 08:19:23 PM
Quote from: square_ball on February 18, 2023, 08:02:28 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2023, 06:22:02 PM
Quote from: pbat on February 18, 2023, 06:11:25 PM
Ger Canning is stealing a living.
So was Colm O'Rourke as a pundit on RTE for 30 years. Now he's stealing a living as a Manager.
Nonsense. As well qualified as anyone in Meath to be in the job.
He has been given a ringside seat to every top game and team for 15 years or more and still doesn't understand the modern game.
That's bollocks. Meath still have a lot of work to do.
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2023, 04:18:36 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on February 18, 2023, 08:19:23 PM
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Quote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2023, 06:22:02 PM
Quote from: pbat on February 18, 2023, 06:11:25 PM
Ger Canning is stealing a living.
So was Colm O'Rourke as a pundit on RTE for 30 years. Now he's stealing a living as a Manager.
Nonsense. As well qualified as anyone in Meath to be in the job.
He has been given a ringside seat to every top game and team for 15 years or more and still doesn't understand the modern game.
That's bollocks. Meath still have a lot of work to do.
Only person who can call bollocks on that is O'Rourke.
We will see in the next 3 games.
Quote from: screenexile on February 19, 2023, 12:17:11 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 18, 2023, 11:16:24 PM
Is Derry Dublin game sold out?
Had a look there and it doesn't seem to be. I can't see how it sells out have we ever sold a game out? Maybe the AIF in 93!
Says on TM that there is low arability but if you search for tickets says none available. Maybe these are not actually on sale yet until the week of the game?
You scared me into buying my ticket now just to be sure.
If you go through the GAA ticket site below you should be able to get them...
https://am.ticketmaster.com/gaa/
Quote from: Derryman forever on February 19, 2023, 08:27:34 AM
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Ger Canning is stealing a living.
So was Colm O'Rourke as a pundit on RTE for 30 years. Now he's stealing a living as a Manager.
Nonsense. As well qualified as anyone in Meath to be in the job.
He has been given a ringside seat to every top game and team for 15 years or more and still doesn't understand the modern game.
That's bollocks. Meath still have a lot of work to do.
Only person who can call bollocks on that is O'Rourke.
We will see in the next 3 games.
Derry and arrogance look strange together
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Poor shooting really let us down but ultimately it's disappointing but not all that surprising. No surprise that we'd get caught out playing the style of play that we've taken but at the same time shot selection and accuracy didn't help at all.
Tv might not have shown it, but there was a strong breeze, especially at the car park end. Along with rain conditio s were ot great.
I thought meath were efficient enough with the number of chance they had. But Derry were totally dominant and forced meath to shoot from poor positions.
O'sullivan (I think.....number 10) is a serious footballer. Just did t have enough support.
Derry have certainly stepped up a gear from the last couple of matches. Looked more purposeful going forward, really tight at the back and for the first time this year won the midfield area.
Some very good individual displays, but all round team performance was excellent. Only very slight criticism is that we should have scored more goals and we should have used the subs earlier.
I'd be a lot more co fide t about remaining games now with Dublin being the biggest test.
Must be the first time RG has made more than 3 subs in a game,but agree, be nice to see some of the subs getting more game time in preparation for the championship.
That was a game that really needed to be won with the Dubs match on the horizon. Alot of really good performances, McGrogan was rightly MotM but Rogers ran him close, put in a serious shift. Even without McKindless at CHB, we have a serious half back line.
Good spread of scorers, that's what you need in the modern game
Anyone giving out about RG and his hand spitting at this stage has little to be at. He does at and its obviously a nervous tick. He's on record as saying he doesn't even know he's doing it, he's in the zone!
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Ger Canning is stealing a living.
So was Colm O'Rourke as a pundit on RTE for 30 years. Now he's stealing a living as a Manager.
Nonsense. As well qualified as anyone in Meath to be in the job.
He has been given a ringside seat to every top game and team for 15 years or more and still doesn't understand the modern game.
That's bollocks. Meath still have a lot of work to do.
Only person who can call bollocks on that is O'Rourke.
We will see in the next 3 games.
Derry and arrogance look strange together
I don't think it's arrogance. If a junior club side had the tactics Meath had yesterday evening they'd be questioned. Just slicing big high ball into the Derry full back line, aimlessly half the time. On the odd occasion Meath worked the ball a bit closer to goals they looked much more dangerous.
Good save by the Dublin keeper, but the cork lad made a balls of that shot.
Like see that replay again, lad looked to be on the line when the ball fisted across!
Nope, he was well inside on the 2nd replay there.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 19, 2023, 04:17:50 PM
Nope, he was well inside on the 2nd replay there.
Well done officials ;)
2nd yellow for that is a brutal call.
Ref gets his debut on tele and obviously wants to be remembered. Let the game flow ffs.
I think I've watched one of the most bewildering decisions I've seen in a while with the award of that yellow card. The game is completely gone if that's a yellow.
Shock the 2 major calls go the way of the Dubs.
First phantom goal disallowed then that shocking 2nd yellow.
Pack it in ref.
Absolutely ridiculous. I know the ref said it was for 3 fouls, but ffs, a man can't get sent off as a result of a slight jersey tug out on the sideline
Ref evened it up with another stupid decision
Ref has lost the plot here
This ref a total clown
Not this referres finest hour
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 19, 2023, 04:57:29 PM
This ref a total clown
How can this kind of nonsense from referees still go on at this level?
Great goal and no celebration from the scorer, Jack mccaffery on now, be interesting to see if he's up to speed
Second yellow for McCarthy? Why not?
Good game that. Hurley is some operator when he gets going. Mccaffrey still got it.
Match winning save by the Dublin keeper. Save of the season contender.
3 wins out of 3 from the Dubs, but playing very much like a Division 2 team. I don't think we'd have beaten any of the D1 teams on those performances. Great to see Jack back though.
Good game, ref done is best to ruin it though. Great save at the death, Cork unlucky to get nothing out of that match.
Was in and out of room (cooking dinner) but the Dublins ref (2 yellows) was it for consistent fouling? Not so much the jersey pull?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2023, 06:13:29 PM
Was in and out of room (cooking dinner) but the Dublins ref (2 yellows) was it for consistent fouling? Not so much the jersey pull?
Think you mean Corks red. Ref showed 3 fingers possibly indicating persistant fouling but would be pretty harsh to get sent off for 3 petty fouls. Some of his decisions were baffling. Think the Dublin second yellow was given by an assistant but again was nothing in it. Think he also gave the big dub midfielder a yellow for a high tackle when he tackles someones midrift.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2023, 06:13:29 PM
Was in and out of room (cooking dinner) but the Dublins ref (2 yellows) was it for consistent fouling? Not so much the jersey pull?
Think you mean Corks red. Ref showed 3 fingers possibly indicating persistant fouling but would be pretty harsh to get sent off for 3 petty fouls. Some of his decisions were baffling. Think the Dublin second yellow was given by an assistant but again was nothing in it. Think he also gave the big dub midfielder a yellow for a high tackle when he tackles someones midrift.
Oh, only came in when the dub got the second yellow.. persistent fouling will at some point generate a yellow regardless of how soft it is
Who was the Ref in the Dublin/Cork game. Only in the door.
Seamus Mulhare from Laois. I never noticed him before but he was very poor today. The second yellow for Ian Maguire was very soft.
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Ger Canning is stealing a living.
So was Colm O'Rourke as a pundit on RTE for 30 years. Now he's stealing a living as a Manager.
Nonsense. As well qualified as anyone in Meath to be in the job.
He has been given a ringside seat to every top game and team for 15 years or more and still doesn't understand the modern game.
That's bollocks. Meath still have a lot of work to do.
Only person who can call bollocks on that is O'Rourke.
We will see in the next 3 games.
Derry and arrogance look strange together
How do you figure that my scepticism of O'Rourke as a Manager is Derry arrogance.
I don't think we were good , I think any manager who sends a team out today to play man to man football , kicking high ball into the teeth of a strong wind is naieve to say the least.
Colm O'Rourke made it very easy for Derry. That's not arrogance just an observation of the facts.
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 19, 2023, 07:16:25 PM
Seamus Mulhare from Laois. I never noticed him before but he was very poor today. The second yellow for Ian Maguire was very soft.
Is that the fella that reffed Cavan v westmeath? If so he wasn't giving any frees that day
Sure, blame the ref(s)
Quote from: Tubberman on February 19, 2023, 04:47:39 PM
Absolutely ridiculous. I know the ref said it was for 3 fouls, but ffs, a man can't get sent off as a result of a slight jersey tug out on the sideline
Except he can when it is for persistent fouling. 3rd foul, however innocuous, warrants a yellow card. He was already booked so referee was correct to give him a second yellow.
Anyone trying to justify those red cards in the Cork v Dublin game either didn't watch the match or needs to give their head a good wobble. Two of the most bewildering decisions I have seen in a long time. The same as any player would be dropped, that referee needs demoted after yesterdays inept display.
Quote from: yellowcard on February 20, 2023, 12:25:09 PM
Anyone trying to justify those red cards in the Cork v Dublin game either didn't watch the match or needs to give their head a good wobble. Two of the most bewildering decisions I have seen in a long time. The same as any player would be dropped, that referee needs demoted after yesterdays inept display.
Didnt see the Dublin one so cant comment, but the Cork one is a second yellow for persistant minor fouling. People commenting on the 10second clip of the last foul out of context havent seen the ones before hand.
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Anyone trying to justify those red cards in the Cork v Dublin game either didn't watch the match or needs to give their head a good wobble. Two of the most bewildering decisions I have seen in a long time. The same as any player would be dropped, that referee needs demoted after yesterdays inept display.
Didnt see the Dublin one so cant comment, but the Cork one is a second yellow for persistant minor fouling. People commenting on the 10second clip of the last foul out of context havent seen the ones before hand.
I watched the full match and I didn't think it was a free kick never mind a yellow card. Slowed down there was a very minor jersey tug which I don't think Rock even noticed nor would Dublin have expected a free kick for it. A fussy referee would blow the free kick and leave it at that and if thats his style of refereeing then I could live with that even though I don't like fussy referees looking for infringements at every point of contact. But to award a yellow card was ludicrous and absolutely nobody was expecting it. I suppose it all depends what type of a game you want gaelic football to be. But if you want no contact then there would be free kicks awarded constantly and you would have a lot of players sent for an early shower every match. After that bad decision the game descended into a farce where every refereeing decision was held in contempt. But the referee created it himself by lowering the bar for receiving a yellow card to a ridiculous level.
Yeah let the game go on. Shouldn't be issuing red cards unless it's a strike or something dangerous, or there has been loads and loads of fouls. Ruins the game completely.
This is nuts.. the rule is there for persistent fouling... so you want no cards for persistent fouling only a dig to the chops would suffice? Strange
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2023, 01:27:08 PM
This is nuts.. the rule is there for persistent fouling... so you want no cards for persistent fouling only a dig to the chops would suffice? Strange
It's not nuts at all. What IS nuts is suggesting that it was a legitimate sending off. If you call it as a free kick then by the very letter of the law it was but you will have a free riddled stop start contest which infuriates spectators. But if you call it as a yellow card offence then you will have very few players left on the pitch and the game will descend into chaos where every decision becomes contested (which actually happened after the totally avoidable incident).
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2023, 01:27:08 PM
This is nuts.. the rule is there for persistent fouling... so you want no cards for persistent fouling only a dig to the chops would suffice? Strange
Yeah I'd have to agree.
Rules are rules, should be applied consistently (think 17 players on the field for the last play)
The problem a lot of people have now is that there has been no consistent application of the rules for so long that when a ref does apply them he's hounded for not letting the game go.
Persistent fouling is a yellow card. That's in the rules.
The the ref deems a player to be consistently fouling he's within his right to issue a yellow. Whether or not that player is already on a yellow shouldn't come into the decision making at all. I would expect that to the letter of the rules, the ref was correct with both sendings off.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2023, 01:27:08 PM
This is nuts.. the rule is there for persistent fouling... so you want no cards for persistent fouling only a dig to the chops would suffice? Strange
It's not nuts at all. What IS nuts is suggesting that it was a legitimate sending off. If you call it as a free kick then by the very letter of the law it was but you will have a free riddled stop start contest which infuriates spectators. But if you call it as a yellow card offence then you will have very few players left on the pitch and the game will descend into chaos where every decision becomes contested (which actually happened after the totally avoidable incident).
The inevitable outcome of this scenario is that players will not foul persistently as the ref will eventually issue the yellow card. And so the game can flow freely to the joy of all spectators.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2023, 01:27:08 PM
This is nuts.. the rule is there for persistent fouling... so you want no cards for persistent fouling only a dig to the chops would suffice? Strange
It's not nuts at all. What IS nuts is suggesting that it was a legitimate sending off. If you call it as a free kick then by the very letter of the law it was but you will have a free riddled stop start contest which infuriates spectators. But if you call it as a yellow card offence then you will have very few players left on the pitch and the game will descend into chaos where every decision becomes contested (which actually happened after the totally avoidable incident).
The inevitable outcome of this scenario is that players will not foul persistently as the ref will eventually issue the yellow card. And so the game can flow freely to the joy of all spectators.
If you want a sport like basketball with no contact where tackling becomes almost redundant then fine. But we have to ask is that the type of game we actually want to watch. I certainly don't but others might. Also lets debunk this myth that he deserved to be sent off for persistent fouling. Absolutely nobody watching that matchfrom the start yesterday would have said that Maguire warranted anything close to a red card.
The alarming bit of this for me from reading some of the replies of agreeing on the second yellow, was the refs inability to read that the player didn't realise he had pulled the jersey and once he did, you can see from his body language, he stopped it immediately lifting his hands into the air to show his error. The pull did not impeade the forwards movement in any way. This guy is just a poor ref, and any ref who defends should consider retiring.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2023, 01:27:08 PM
This is nuts.. the rule is there for persistent fouling... so you want no cards for persistent fouling only a dig to the chops would suffice? Strange
Yeah I'd have to agree.
Rules are rules, should be applied consistently (think 17 players on the field for the last play)
The problem a lot of people have now is that there has been no consistent application of the rules for so long that when a ref does apply them he's hounded for not letting the game go.
Persistent fouling is a yellow card. That's in the rules.
The the ref deems a player to be consistently fouling he's within his right to issue a yellow. Whether or not that player is already on a yellow shouldn't come into the decision making at all. I would expect that to the letter of the rules, the ref was correct with both sendings off.
Always seems a complete cop-out to me that people would blame the ref for "not letting the game flow".
"Not letting the game flow" is just GAA speak for letting cheaters get away with breaking the rules.
It's not the fault of a referee if the game is stop-start with frees, it's the fault of the players committing the fouls.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2023, 01:27:08 PM
This is nuts.. the rule is there for persistent fouling... so you want no cards for persistent fouling only a dig to the chops would suffice? Strange
Yeah I'd have to agree.
Rules are rules, should be applied consistently (think 17 players on the field for the last play)
The problem a lot of people have now is that there has been no consistent application of the rules for so long that when a ref does apply them he's hounded for not letting the game go.
Persistent fouling is a yellow card. That's in the rules.
The the ref deems a player to be consistently fouling he's within his right to issue a yellow. Whether or not that player is already on a yellow shouldn't come into the decision making at all. I would expect that to the letter of the rules, the ref was correct with both sendings off.
Always seems a complete cop-out to me that people would blame the ref for "not letting the game flow".
"Not letting the game flow" is just GAA speak for letting cheaters get away with breaking the rules.
It's not the fault of a referee if the game is stop-start with frees, it's the fault of the players committing the fouls.
That yellow yesterday was perfect example of where the game should be let go. No need to call a free, wave play on ffs, Rock was happy enough yo play away
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2023, 01:27:08 PM
This is nuts.. the rule is there for persistent fouling... so you want no cards for persistent fouling only a dig to the chops would suffice? Strange
Yeah I'd have to agree.
Rules are rules, should be applied consistently (think 17 players on the field for the last play)
The problem a lot of people have now is that there has been no consistent application of the rules for so long that when a ref does apply them he's hounded for not letting the game go.
Persistent fouling is a yellow card. That's in the rules.
The the ref deems a player to be consistently fouling he's within his right to issue a yellow. Whether or not that player is already on a yellow shouldn't come into the decision making at all. I would expect that to the letter of the rules, the ref was correct with both sendings off.
Always seems a complete cop-out to me that people would blame the ref for "not letting the game flow".
"Not letting the game flow" is just GAA speak for letting cheaters get away with breaking the rules.
It's not the fault of a referee if the game is stop-start with frees, it's the fault of the players committing the fouls.
That yellow yesterday was perfect example of where the game should be let go. No need to call a free, wave play on ffs, Rock was happy enough yo play away
He was happy enough to play away because I doubt if he even felt the minimal jersey tug. Dublin were just as dumbfounded as Cork at that sending off. But again the argument isn't even over the foul which you can legitimise by the letter of the law. The argument was over the brandishing of a ludicrous yellow card.
So is every foul now deemed to be cheating? Because not every foul is intentional. It sounds like some lads on here must be spending too much time in committee rooms waving a rulebook in their hand. Anyway I expect that referee will probably get promoted up to division one now for this weeks round of fixtures!
Pulling a jersey is the easiest example of deliberate foul, he's not intending of playing the ball he's pulling the top to restrict the player from moving at pace, most referees will note certain fouls and tell the player he's been noted, the ref will inform him so the player knows that the next foul he commits will be a yellow..
The player commits a noting offence and he's got a yellow, whether that's his second or first, he done it, he's taking responsibility to do that.
So I'll ask the question again, is persistent fouling ok providing its 'soft' fouling?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2023, 02:30:07 PM
Pulling a jersey is the easiest example of deliberate foul, he's not intending of playing the ball he's pulling the top to restrict the player from moving at pace, most referees will note certain fouls and tell the player he's been noted, the ref will inform him so the player knows that the next foul he commits will be a yellow..
The player commits a noting offence and he's got a yellow, whether that's his second or first, he done it, he's taking responsibility to do that.
So I'll ask the question again, is persistent fouling ok providing its 'soft' fouling?
He most definitely didn't restrict the player from moving at pace, Rock didn't even notice he was being impeded. And if you think Maguire was persistently fouling yesterday then I'd question your own judgement as well. If he had been then I'd have no problem with him being sent off for a personal foul. The big surprise is the extent to which people are willing to defend those decisions yesterday.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2023, 02:30:07 PM
Pulling a jersey is the easiest example of deliberate foul, he's not intending of playing the ball he's pulling the top to restrict the player from moving at pace, most referees will note certain fouls and tell the player he's been noted, the ref will inform him so the player knows that the next foul he commits will be a yellow..
The player commits a noting offence and he's got a yellow, whether that's his second or first, he done it, he's taking responsibility to do that.
So I'll ask the question again, is persistent fouling ok providing its 'soft' fouling?
Do you think either red card yesterday was correct? Would you have given them? Genuine questions.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2023, 01:27:08 PM
This is nuts.. the rule is there for persistent fouling... so you want no cards for persistent fouling only a dig to the chops would suffice? Strange
It's not nuts at all. What IS nuts is suggesting that it was a legitimate sending off. If you call it as a free kick then by the very letter of the law it was but you will have a free riddled stop start contest which infuriates spectators. But if you call it as a yellow card offence then you will have very few players left on the pitch and the game will descend into chaos where every decision becomes contested (which actually happened after the totally avoidable incident).
The inevitable outcome of this scenario is that players will not foul persistently as the ref will eventually issue the yellow card. And so the game can flow freely to the joy of all spectators.
If you want a sport like basketball with no contact where tackling becomes almost redundant then fine. But we have to ask is that the type of game we actually want to watch. I certainly don't but others might. Also lets debunk this myth that he deserved to be sent off for persistent fouling. Absolutely nobody watching that matchfrom the start yesterday would have said that Maguire warranted anything close to a red card.
I absolutely do not want a sport like basketball.
We have rules which permit tackling and physical shoulder to shoulder contact.
We don't need to change the rules, we need them to be applied consistently. Only then will players stop trying to get away with breaking the rules.
What you are missing is that Maguire didnt get a straight red. He got a yellow twice....to the letter of the law both yellow's looked correct.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2023, 02:30:07 PM
Pulling a jersey is the easiest example of deliberate foul, he's not intending of playing the ball he's pulling the top to restrict the player from moving at pace, most referees will note certain fouls and tell the player he's been noted, the ref will inform him so the player knows that the next foul he commits will be a yellow..
The player commits a noting offence and he's got a yellow, whether that's his second or first, he done it, he's taking responsibility to do that.
So I'll ask the question again, is persistent fouling ok providing its 'soft' fouling?
Do you think either red card yesterday was correct? Would you have given them? Genuine questions.
I've already said before in previous posts, I didn't see the fouls and nor am I judging them. My post was referees are there to stop persistent fouling and if a player is persistently fouling in a game he is walking a tightrope with the rules, its not your take on the game that matters, its whether or not the referee will apply them loosely or tightly, in the case yesterday he looks like he enforced it tightly..
Personally I'm fast and loose with the rules if I'm being totally honest ;D, steps (if being impeded I give a couple more) tough physical challenges on the ball, I very rarely card or even red card for that matter, its usually someone telling me about off the ball stuff that is outta my control then.
But the simple one to give a foul for is pulling or tugging a jersey, its deliberate whether the player feels it or not. I can't or I'm unable to know whether that player feels that tug or it impeded his run, its just an easy one to give, I'll try and allow it to go on and play advantage, let it develop but its not even up for debate, its a foul and if you do it a lot, expect to be finally carded for it
I see Dessie Farrell has said Mannion is still a few weeks away. Where are Paddy Small & Brian Howard at the moment, are they injured?
Quote from: toby47 on February 20, 2023, 03:39:02 PM
I see Dessie Farrell has said Mannion is still a few weeks away. Where are Paddy Small & Brian Howard at the moment, are they injured?
I hope they have as few available as possible and that Jack Mc decides to leave the panel before the Dubs visit Celtic Park :)
Quote from: toby47 on February 20, 2023, 03:39:02 PM
I see Dessie Farrell has said Mannion is still a few weeks away. Where are Paddy Small & Brian Howard at the moment, are they injured?
Howard was away travelling and only returned this week. Came on as sub for Raheny yesterday in a league game. Back for Dublin in coming weeks. Comerford, Small, Murchan, Bugler and Paddy Small all injured. Will be a couple Crokes lads to come back with Mannion.
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Quote from: toby47 on February 20, 2023, 03:39:02 PM
I see Dessie Farrell has said Mannion is still a few weeks away. Where are Paddy Small & Brian Howard at the moment, are they injured?
Howard was away travelling and only returned this week. Came on as sub for Raheny yesterday in a league game. Back for Dublin in coming weeks. Comerford, Small, Murchan, Bugler and Paddy Small all injured. Will be a couple Crokes lads to come back with Mannion.
League games being played already?
So you can get a yellow card for 3 minor tugs/ fouls in a game or a minor head high decapitation effort resulting in the same card, go figure.
Dublin are playing at Division 2 standard.
Meath lost to Derry. Can anyone other than Dublin beat them?
Is promotion a foregone conclusion?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 20, 2023, 06:14:31 PM
So you can get a yellow card for 3 minor tugs/ fouls in a game or a minor head high decapitation effort resulting in the same card, go figure.
If I pull someone's jersey and then the next foul i commit is pulling his arm and then I pull his jersey that's 3 fouls, that's (to me) being persistent... have you a number in your head that eventually you'll find is persistent enough to warrant a card?
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 06:42:11 PM
Dublin are playing at Division 2 standard.
Meath lost to Derry. Can anyone other than Dublin beat them?
Is promotion a foregone conclusion?
Would it be Derry Arrogance , do you think , to say that Derry could lose any of theirfour remaining games.
Kildare must surely pull out one great game in this competition especially as they creep closer to the void. Dublin are improving game on game, Cork are also improving each week and Clare awill be looking forward to a reckoning .
So if you don't think this is Derry arrogance I would say Derry are not unbeatable, unless the 4 remaining managers want to bring the same level of Naivety to the game as Colm O'Rourke did.
Quote from: Derryman forever on February 20, 2023, 07:32:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 06:42:11 PM
Dublin are playing at Division 2 standard.
Meath lost to Derry. Can anyone other than Dublin beat them?
Is promotion a foregone conclusion?
Would it be Derry Arrogance , do you think , to say that Derry could lose any of theirfour remaining games.
Kildare must surely pull out one great game in this competition especially as they creep closer to the void. Dublin are improving game on game, Cork are also improving each week and Clare awill be looking forward to a reckoning .
So if you don't think this is Derry arrogance I would say Derry are not unbeatable, unless the 4 remaining managers want to bring the same level of Naivety to the game as Colm O'Rourke did.
Derry were sloppy, if not arrogant, last year with their approach to the last 2 matches against Connacht teams, especially Roscommon.
I don't see any sign of that this year. Cork versus Derry should be interesting,
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Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 06:42:11 PM
Dublin are playing at Division 2 standard.
Meath lost to Derry. Can anyone other than Dublin beat them?
Is promotion a foregone conclusion?
Would it be Derry Arrogance , do you think , to say that Derry could lose any of theirfour remaining games.
Kildare must surely pull out one great game in this competition especially as they creep closer to the void. Dublin are improving game on game, Cork are also improving each week and Clare awill be looking forward to a reckoning .
So if you don't think this is Derry arrogance I would say Derry are not unbeatable, unless the 4 remaining managers want to bring the same level of Naivety to the game as Colm O'Rourke did.
Derry were sloppy, if not arrogant, last year with their approach to the last 2 matches against Connacht teams, especially Roscommon.
I don't see any sign of that this year. Cork versus Derry should be interesting,
So you accuse me of Arrogance up the board and now want to pretend that you were referring to last year's Derry games?
But Derry while possibly being sloppy last year were never arrogant and still aren't.
They were very unlucky against Roscommon and totally outmatched by Galway in both Games.
I am hoping that what I have seen of Derry so far this year is indicating that they have come on a bit, and hopefully,young McEvoy will maintain his form to allow Brendan Rogers more freedom. Young Murray and Mc Williams seem to be staking a claim. And Paul Cassidy and Niall Toner are growing jn confidence. And Ethan Doherty has a great deal to give yet.
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I see Dessie Farrell has said Mannion is still a few weeks away. Where are Paddy Small & Brian Howard at the moment, are they injured?
Howard was away travelling and only returned this week. Came on as sub for Raheny yesterday in a league game. Back for Dublin in coming weeks. Comerford, Small, Murchan, Bugler and Paddy Small all injured. Will be a couple Crokes lads to come back with Mannion.
League games being played already?
First round of games yesterday.
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Dublin are playing at Division 2 standard.
Meath lost to Derry. Can anyone other than Dublin beat them?
Is promotion a foregone conclusion?
Would it be Derry Arrogance , do you think , to say that Derry could lose any of theirfour remaining games.
Kildare must surely pull out one great game in this competition especially as they creep closer to the void. Dublin are improving game on game, Cork are also improving each week and Clare awill be looking forward to a reckoning .
So if you don't think this is Derry arrogance I would say Derry are not unbeatable, unless the 4 remaining managers want to bring the same level of Naivety to the game as Colm O'Rourke did.
Derry were sloppy, if not arrogant, last year with their approach to the last 2 matches against Connacht teams, especially Roscommon.
I don't see any sign of that this year. Cork versus Derry should be interesting,
So you accuse me of Arrogance up the board and now want to pretend that you were referring to last year's Derry games?
But Derry while possibly being sloppy last year were never arrogant and still aren't.
They were very unlucky against Roscommon and totally outmatched by Galway in both Games.
I am hoping that what I have seen of Derry so far this year is indicating that they have come on a bit, and hopefully,young McEvoy will maintain his form to allow Brendan Rogers more freedom. Young Murray and Mc Williams seem to be staking a claim. And Paul Cassidy and Niall Toner are growing jn confidence. And Ethan Doherty has a great deal to give yet.
Ethan is a gem of a player, a class act
@clubscene13.
Ethan Doherty is an unbelievably hardworking, unselfish and skilled player. And got so much more to give.
From a Dub perspective it was great to see JackMac coming on in Cork. He seems to be in fine form and we'll up for the job.
Division two very interesting round the bottom. Limerick probably clear favourites but the other position interesting. I dunno if Meath a huge amount better than Louth then Kildare in there too. I'd expect Kildare to pull themselves out of it but Clare, Louth, Meath and even cork could get pulled in there. A betting man might say Louth but I am not so sure.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 20, 2023, 10:27:13 PM
Division two very interesting round the bottom. Limerick probably clear favourites but the other position interesting. I dunno if Meath a huge amount better than Louth then Kildare in there too. I'd expect Kildare to pull themselves out of it but Clare, Louth, Meath and even cork could get pulled in there. A betting man might say Louth but I am not so sure.
Louth beat Limerick. It's hard to see a case for them staying up
Maybe. They troubled Derry and near beat Clare. Them and Meath will be interesting - even Cork.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 21, 2023, 11:09:51 AM
Maybe. They troubled Derry and near beat Clare. Them and Meath will be interesting - even Cork.
They were promoted. There is a big difference between D3 and midway in D2 .
Meath and Cork are not the finished article but they should be able to beat Louth.
As you'll see next year when Cavan and probably westmeath come up there isn't always that big a difference. Mid to bottom table division 2 isn't always that fantastic and isn't here either.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 21, 2023, 11:38:12 AM
As you'll see next year when Cavan and probably westmeath come up there isn't always that big a difference. Mid to bottom table division 2 isn't always that fantastic and isn't here either.
I think Clare are the archetypal D2 team. They are like the D2 version of Monaghan. And they can grind out wins.
Louth might need a few more iterations.
Cavan probably are a D2 team anyway. I am not sure that Louth are.
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Dublin are playing at Division 2 standard.
Meath lost to Derry. Can anyone other than Dublin beat them?
Is promotion a foregone conclusion?
Would it be Derry Arrogance , do you think , to say that Derry could lose any of theirfour remaining games.
Kildare must surely pull out one great game in this competition especially as they creep closer to the void. Dublin are improving game on game, Cork are also improving each week and Clare awill be looking forward to a reckoning .
So if you don't think this is Derry arrogance I would say Derry are not unbeatable, unless the 4 remaining managers want to bring the same level of Naivety to the game as Colm O'Rourke did.
Derry were sloppy, if not arrogant, last year with their approach to the last 2 matches against Connacht teams, especially Roscommon.
I don't see any sign of that this year. Cork versus Derry should be interesting,
That's harsh.
In the Roscommon game in particular Shane McGuigan was incorrectly sent off, we had a last minute free that he would have likely converted to have given derry the win. Whilst I'm sure we made mistakes, there was an error in officialdom that ultimately cost us that game.
As for Galway, a real bogey team for derry for years. Beat us well, twice. Is that sloppy or is it getting beat by a side who ultimately are better?
We do seem to have moved on another level this year. Our attack play seems to have evolved, but until the Meath game we really stuttered.
In terms of promotion chances, I'd say we are in with a better chance than Louth, Clare, Limerick and Meath. After that, we could get beat by anyone. I'm hoping we can beat Kildare and Cork, I think we are better than both but like any game it needs to happen on the day.
Dublin are improving week on week and I'm really looking forward to that game. It's a free shot for Derry, get beat and we still have a decent chance of promotion given that Dublin will beat everyone else. If we happen to win, promotion would be very much there for the taking.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on February 21, 2023, 11:38:12 AM
As you'll see next year when Cavan and probably westmeath come up there isn't always that big a difference. Mid to bottom table division 2 isn't always that fantastic and isn't here either.
I think Clare are the archetypal D2 team. They are like the D2 version of Monaghan. And they can grind out wins.
Louth might need a few more iterations.
Cavan probably are a D2 team anyway. I am not sure that Louth are.
Clare are a good side. Have been top half of D2 for a long time, just seem a little bit short to challenge for promotion. Still, they could beat anyone in the division (well maybe apart from Dublin).
Liam Hayes on OTB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuD5rowmueU
Dublin 0-8 Clare 1-8 at half time. Could the one person on the predictions Competition be right? Heartbreak for Clare for the 2nd weekend in a row. 0-16 to 1-12
Unreal last I saw Clare were 6 up!
Late point from Costello won it for Dublin. 16pts to 1-12
Meath 0-04
Louth 0-01
20 mins gone. Lively start from Meath, Louth a bit wasteful.
Some awful shooting so far in the Derry game.
Kildare keeper having a great game.
Meath 0-05
Louth 0-05
Nearing halftime
Jesus lads Kildare are woeful!
Kildare shooting outrageously bad
Derry seem to have an attitude problem today. They need to focus a bit better.
It's almost like they are taking this game for granted.
Both shot selection and execution from Kildare has been really poor. Derry have a few bad misses ourselves and haven't really got into top gear, but haven't had to so far.
6-5 to Louth
Meath down to 14
Kildare very poor, apart from the keeper.
Derry could be out of sight without even playing all that well.
If derry pull away by another couple it's game over, if not already over.
How could a county with a population the size of Kildare be so bad. Seriously.
Kildare are shockingly bad here today. 4 points after 57 mins and only 1 point after 20 minutes of the second half.
Was hoping they would have put up more of a challenge than this before big game this Saturday against the Dubs.
Derry, like Cork, just sat back and Kildare have no clue how to break down a deep defence.
There were some bad wides, but many were rushed shots or out of range. So so poor! Murphy is on BBC and he is right saying that he can't see a plan for keeping the opposition out and even less of a clue of how to create space and moves up top.
We have men back looking out the field and one pop pass opens us up.
Meath 1-11 Louth 1-14
Meath 1-12
Louth 1-15
Meath are back....
...to square one!
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How could a county with a population the size of Kildare be so bad. Seriously.
It doesn't seem to be working out for Ryan.
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Maybe. They troubled Derry and near beat Clare. Them and Meath will be interesting - even Cork.
They were promoted. There is a big difference between D3 and midway in D2 .
Meath and Cork are not the finished article but they should be able to beat Louth.
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How could a county with a population the size of Kildare be so bad. Seriously.
It doesn't seem to be working out for Ryan.
Difficult to just put it all on him.
Does he not have a experienced group of selectors advisors with him.
Just mind boggling tbh.
Yeah possibly a bit harsh but something not working. Always seem competitive enough at underage too.
Derry the best team in this Division and i think they'll prove it further by beating Dublin next weekend.
Kildare just have zero respect for themselves. Load of buffed up athletes running around clueless!
Derry could put over 20pts on them, probably should done to Limerick and Meath as well.
Are we Derry wans getting a bit carried away.
Derry weren't near as good as Kildare were bad
Quote from: Derryman forever on February 26, 2023, 06:43:01 PM
Are we Derry wans getting a bit carried away.
Derry weren't near as good as Kildare were bad
I know it's a short season now but are they peaking too soon? I'm surprised they are obliterating Kildare and Meath in such fashion.
RTE have Dublin Derry next week, not as much meaning now both will surely go back up. Derry much more impressive by Dublin so far.
Quote from: Derryman forever on February 26, 2023, 06:43:01 PM
Are we Derry wans getting a bit carried away.
Derry weren't near as good as Kildare were bad
Yep, maybe, not sure ;D
Derry were OK, never really got out of 2nd gear.
We've had our easiest games in the division up until now and haven't had to step up when backs to the wall.
We stepped up a level against Mearh to be fair.
I do think feet are on the ground though. We could still get beat 3 times. Cork racked up some score against limerick, which would be a worry.
Dublin are Dublin
Clare ran Dublin close.
I think we have a good chance of promotion, but, we could also finish 3rd if we don't keep improving. I don't think anyone is carried away yet. Might change if we beat the dubs, but even then the dubs are not the team they were.
Collect the set
https://twitter.com/louthgaa/status/1629920904103751684
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMRKv0dfXD4
I agree with tbrick... we have had an easy time so far.
The Meath game was built up as they'd played so well against Cork but they were very average and while it's been our best performance they were really poor.
The next 3 games are massive! Win one and we should still get through but in truth we should be in Div 1 and should win 2 out of 3. As has been said the Dubs have been average so far and I think we have more than a fighting chance against them.
I'm excited for what's ahead but we need to get up and if we do then Ulster is absolutely possible again and who knows what else!
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Quote from: Derryman forever on February 26, 2023, 06:43:01 PM
Are we Derry wans getting a bit carried away.
Derry weren't near as good as Kildare were bad
Yep, maybe, not sure ;D
Derry were OK, never really got out of 2nd gear.
We've had our easiest games in the division up until now and haven't had to step up when backs to the wall.
We stepped up a level against Mearh to be fair.
I do think feet are on the ground though. We could still get beat 3 times. Cork racked up some score against limerick, which would be a worry.
Dublin are Dublin
Clare ran Dublin close.
I think we have a good chance of promotion, but, we could also finish 3rd if we don't keep improving. I don't think anyone is carried away yet. Might change if we beat the dubs, but even then the dubs are not the team they were.
I'd agree with all of that.
Derry did even need to be outstanding. The sad thing is that Kildare just don't learn and can't play against a deeper defence.
Awful stuff and the Louth win really opens it up again.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 26, 2023, 06:08:06 PM
Kildare just have zero respect for themselves. Load of buffed up athletes running around clueless!
All county teams are in serious physical condition these days. We seen it up close and personal in Div 3 and Div 4 recently. The big difference is in the prep, how teams are set up, the players know the correct defensive setup, lines to run etc, inside out. This is were management teams stand out. Derry for example have a really settled team, each player knows their job and executes it the way it has been drilled into them.
Quote from: Derryman forever on February 26, 2023, 06:43:01 PM
Are we Derry wans getting a bit carried away.
Derry weren't near as good as Kildare were bad
Not a single man I've spoken to is getting carried away tbh. We've 3 massive games coming up, anything can happen, but we should be very competitive. That Galway league game last year was a real leveller and I'm sure it still lurks in the background of the players / management. Really looking forward to welcoming the Dubs back to CP for the first time since 2014. 5pm Sat evening is a great time for a game.
https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1629979786679554049
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I agree with tbrick... we have had an easy time so far.
The Meath game was built up as they'd played so well against Cork but they were very average and while it's been our best performance they were really poor.
The next 3 games are massive! Win one and we should still get through but in truth we should be in Div 1 and should win 2 out of 3. As has been said the Dubs have been average so far and I think we have more than a fighting chance against them.
I'm excited for what's ahead but we need to get up and if we do then Ulster is absolutely possible again and who knows what else!
We haven't really been tested so it's difficult to really know where we are at.
When Cork played Meath early in the league I thought Derry would beat both, but I think of all the teams in the Division, Cork have improved the most. They'll be difficult to contain, but they also haven't come up against a team like Derry, so it'll be interesting.
On current form, Dublin are a shadow of their former selves. But they still have top notch footballers so it could all click at any time. Jack McCaffery in particular is a huge plus to Dublin and could be the player to bring them on a level this year.
Clare looked to play really well against the Dubs. Don't know how they let such a lead go in such a short period of time though. Derry beat them reasonably comfortably last year and I don't know if Clare have progressed enough to turn that around.
Derry are by no means raging hot favourites for any of the final 3 games, but we could win all of them. We could also lose all of them.
I have to say, I love this new condensed league with games practically every week. I know there's a long time between the end of the county season and the following year, but it really does add a different level of excitement with games coming thick and fast.
For Clare that's two games in a row they kinda threw it away in the dying minutes. They are still a solid outfit and consistent in this division.
Kildare's season is goosed if we lose to Louth. I don't see us picking things up all of a sudden away to Meath. Looking at the Derry match relegation beckons with the lack of plan and the lack of fight around the field.
Just watched the highlights on bbc of Derry Kildare... Seemed to be about 2-3 claps for a derry score? Was the crowd as small as it sounds???
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Just watched the highlights on bbc of Derry Kildare... Seemed to be about 2-3 claps for a derry score? Was the crowd as small as it sounds???
You wouldn't want to go overboard while hammering Kildare, I'd say that there will be more enthusiasm for beating the Dubs.
I was down at it, Derry wouldn't have great travelling support,
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I was down at it, Derry wouldn't have great travelling support,
Couple of hundred I would say
Monaghan punch above their weight in Division 1 and Roscommon back up this year. Kildare and Meath much bigger counties but way off those counties. Leinster has the most counties but some amount of poor teams.
There good enough players in Kildare, but they need a proper system of play to make the maximum off.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 27, 2023, 06:43:20 PM
There good enough players in Kildare, but they need a proper system of play to make the maximum off.
They have some good players like Kevin Feely, Daniel Flynn, O Grady. A few good underage teams
Kildare beat Dublin last year in the league and there was a pitch invasion. Both teams ended up being relegated. Maybe just a relief to have beaten Dublin after all the losses, but they then played Dublin in Leinster and the game was over at half time.
Though Ryan set them up very poor, going man to man
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 27, 2023, 06:09:51 PM
Monaghan punch above their weight in Division 1 and Roscommon back up this year. Kildare and Meath much bigger counties but way off those counties. Leinster has the most counties but some amount of poor teams.
The GAA destroyed the Leinster football championship by prioritising Dublin.
It's not Kildare's fault that they are shite.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on February 27, 2023, 06:09:51 PM
Monaghan punch above their weight in Division 1 and Roscommon back up this year. Kildare and Meath much bigger counties but way off those counties. Leinster has the most counties but some amount of poor teams.
The GAA destroyed the Leinster football championship by prioritising Dublin.
It's not Kildare's fault that they are shite.
Yeah but they should be doing better in the League. If Kildare don't finish in the top 4 of Division 2, they will be playing Tailtean Cup.
Also as with any county it's their own fault if they're underachieving. Dublin can't be blamed for everything.
The depth in Leinster has got very poor.
The next few weeks should tell us where cork are and if there's anyone decent other than Kerry.
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Monaghan punch above their weight in Division 1 and Roscommon back up this year. Kildare and Meath much bigger counties but way off those counties. Leinster has the most counties but some amount of poor teams.
The GAA destroyed the Leinster football championship by prioritising Dublin.
It's not Kildare's fault that they are shite.
Kildare had a lot of good successful underage teams in Leinster over the last number of years including wins over Dublin. Something not right about them at the moment and they even gave a far better account of themselves in Div 1 last year.
Something in their setup isn't right as they are better than that. The defeat to Dublin last year in Leinster, or the manner of it, an awful kick in the nuts whether that contributed or no t I don't know but they should be so much better.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 27, 2023, 08:27:30 PM
Also as with any county it's their own fault if they're underachieving. Dublin can't be blamed for everything.
The depth in Leinster has got very poor.
The next few weeks should tell us where cork are and if there's anyone decent other than Kerry.
The structure in Leinster was dysfunctional for a decade. A "generation" of Kildare footballers didn't learn anything.
Meath are the same. Very fragile. Both counties are playing catch up now. The irony is that Dublin are probably beatable but neither county is in a position to take advantage of that.
Quote from: seafoid on February 27, 2023, 09:23:56 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 27, 2023, 08:27:30 PM
Also as with any county it's their own fault if they're underachieving. Dublin can't be blamed for everything.
The depth in Leinster has got very poor.
The next few weeks should tell us where cork are and if there's anyone decent other than Kerry.
The structure in Leinster was dysfunctional for a decade. A "generation" of Kildare footballers didn't learn anything.
Meath are the same. Very fragile. Both counties are playing catch up now. The irony is that Dublin are probably beatable but neither county is in a position to take advantage of that.
And by the time they get their act together, Dublin will have re-grouped again.
Yeah
Kildare are decent underage but then it just doesn't follow on to senior and there are decent players who just seem to be lost. Again I'll hark back to Murphy on comms wondering what exactly we were trying to do at any given time? Like we just seem to be wandering up the field and then seeing what happens.
If you go to a Kildare club game there are too many times where the county men just don't stand out either. In fact many times they are the ones making silly mistakes at crucial times. Not enough of them are managing games at club level, so they get totally flustered by the like of Derry coming at them with a tough system.
But, right now the lads inside are mostly the best we have. I always say that we have experienced players who never seem to learn from their experience.
Sure, we will go at it again now...I have zero clue how we will do against Louth!
They could suddenly click and turn it on, but I imagine it will be a struggle. Just block the D and Kildare have no Plan B! That's what the opposition need to remember and it even rhymes!!
Derry should beat Dublin too. I thought the Dubs would kick on more but they are still ropey.
Any other news stirring?
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Sure, we will go at it again now...I have zero clue how we will do against Louth!
They could suddenly click and turn it on, but I imagine it will be a struggle. Just block the D and Kildare have no Plan B! That's what the opposition need to remember and it even rhymes!!
Derry should beat Dublin too. I thought the Dubs would kick on more but they are still ropey.
Any other news stirring?
The amount of men tipping Derry for the win tomorrow night is giving me the jitters!
Worst thing could happen derry is a heavy defeat...
Hopefully they win but still plenty of life in that dublin team and they have just beat what's in front of them so far.
Beginning to think we fall flat on our face. I said Derry beat Dublin way bck at the start of the league, and our only defeat be Kildare in Newbridge. So that hasn't turned out as I thought it go. Derry been alot better off if they went into the game as underdogs. If Dublin beat them, it wouldn't be a suprise, as nobody was given a chance against Dublin at the start of the league.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 03, 2023, 07:35:24 PM
Beginning to think we fall flat on our face. I said Derry beat Dublin way bck at the start of the league, and our only defeat be Kildare in Newbridge. So that hasn't turned out as I thought it go. Derry been alot better off if they webt into the game as underdogs. If Dublin beat them, it wouldn't be a suprise, as nobody was given a chance against Dublin at the start of the league.
If Derry kick the ball they should be able to beat Dublin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWJbVOsMxmY&t=1215s
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 03, 2023, 07:35:24 PM
Beginning to think we fall flat on our face. I said Derry beat Dublin way bck at the start of the league, and our only defeat be Kildare in Newbridge. So that hasn't turned out as I thought it go. Derry been alot better off if they went into the game as underdogs. If Dublin beat them, it wouldn't be a suprise, as nobody was given a chance against Dublin at the start of the league.
The Galway, league, game last year probably plants some doubts. Even a defeat is fine as long as no hammering and you still get promoted. It's an interesting game. I think mcconville could be right and Dublin are more in training mode - for me irrespective of what happens here they are the only team who could beat Kerry.
I was convinced the Dubs would blow everyone away, and I know their shooting was terrible against Kildare but even since Cork and Clare could have won.
Derry were at their ease against us and still hammered us. They shut up shop while also getting in to hurt us. The Dubs were much easier to get at.
Would expect Derry to win well. Dublin are struggling for form but have a few lads to come back later in year.
Watching the opening 15 minutes. I'm not sure if it's the case that Derry have showed Dublin too much respect or their style of play doesn't suit against Dublin.
Strange that Dublin were not favourites but plenty time yet
Dublin are playing well. Derry look very heavy legged and some poor shooting
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 04, 2023, 05:22:52 PM
Strange that Dublin were not favourites but plenty time yet
They'll be favourites in the half time odds.
Half time Derry 0-2 Dublin 0-7. Dublin's best performance in this years league campaign. The worst for Derry.
Reality check for Derry. They have a while to go before they can consider themselves amongst the Kerry, Mayo and Tyrones.
Goal for Derry right back in it now. Derry 1-4 Dublin 0-9 45 minutes played.
Is this the same ref from last year's Ulster final? He's shite
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 04, 2023, 05:43:37 PM
Reality check for Derry. They have a while to go before they can consider themselves amongst the Kerry, Mayo Dublin and Tyrones.
The sides are level Derry 1-6 Dublin 0-9 56 minutes gone.
Them Derry wans are as bad as Mayo for the booing
Dean Rock is done.
How is that not a black card??
I'm right behind that 100% a score from McKinless!!
Two quick points for Dublin 1-7 to 0-12 with six minutes of normal time left.
Why did Derry kick the free backwards. It looked scorable. Great second half.
Mcguigan has been poor, why did he not go for a score from that free. Shocking stuff just outside the d, takes the free backwards.
Why did Derry not take that score from a free just outside the 20?
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 04, 2023, 06:22:42 PM
Two quick points for Dublin 1-7 to 0-12 with six minutes of normal time left.
Came directly from Derry not taking a shooting opportunity from a very scorable free, what was that about, was it an indirect free???
Level again 67 minutes on the clock.
Hurson can't wait to give a free in to Derry any time they are touched.
Quote from: befair on March 04, 2023, 06:23:43 PM
Why did Derry not take that score from a free just outside the 20?
Commentators didn't seem surprised; is there some rule for stopping play if a player has possession but may be injured?
Quote from: clarshack on March 04, 2023, 06:26:06 PM
Hurson can't wait to give a free in to Derry any time they are touched.
It's making the game frustrating to watch. Any idea what the free count is?
Mcguigan free from hands, stole in steps any angle on it. Mind you every free taker from hands is at it. Should use foam the soccer refs use, cant step inside foam. Very entertaining second half.
Derry hit the front. 1 minute left.
I hope Kilkenny enjoyed that fisted point when Dublin had a man across. It might cost them the game.
100% McGuigan wasn't allowed to score from that free!
Glass didn't need to make that foul. Dublin level it 0-13 to 1-10. Two minutes of injury time to play.
Have the Derry players always gone down so easily?
Fine comeback win for Derry. Derry 1-11 Dublin 0-13
Fair play to Derry mighty win. Deserved, justice for tactical cynical fouling from Dublin.
Fitting that Rogers gets the winner, storming MOTM performance in the 2nd half.
Ref is horrible. Amount of missed extra steps and pick ups off the ground was unreal.
Really enjoyed that and great scenes at the end.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 04, 2023, 06:35:58 PM
Ref is horrible. Amount of missed extra steps and pick ups off the ground was unreal.
I thought after last year's Ulster final he wouldn't be seen again for a while
Good last 20 mins. However Derry fans need to have a look at themselves. This isn't soccer no call for all that booing.
If I was the lad in the centre who Kilkenny didn't pass to for an easy goal I'd have him up against the wall in the dressing room
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 04, 2023, 06:35:58 PM
Ref is horrible. Amount of missed extra steps and pick ups off the ground was unreal.
I thought he was very good. Used common sense, very unusual when you consider current crop of idiot referees.
Kilkenny passes up on a certain goal, Derry miss 3 scoreable frees in the first half, but yeh, blame the ref.....
What a joke
Well done to Derry, only had to play well for one half to beat Dublin, That's them back to Division 1 now. As for Dublin lucky to have the points they have on the table, lucky wins against Cork,Clare,Kildare and some think they are in shape to reclaim the All Ireland title?
Quote from: greatpoint on March 04, 2023, 06:37:19 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 04, 2023, 06:35:58 PM
Ref is horrible. Amount of missed extra steps and pick ups off the ground was unreal.
I thought after last year's Ulster final he wouldn't be seen again for a while
Ulster Final or All-Ireland Final? Still waiting on the free out for Galway.
Quote from: befair on March 04, 2023, 06:38:28 PM
Kilkenny passes up on a certain goal, Derry miss 3 scoreable frees in the first half, but yeh, blame the ref.....
He was giving Derry everything till Derry went in front, then gave Dublin a phantom free. Standard GAA bollocks.
Derry used the bench well. Some talent coming through that we didn't get a chance to see last year. Dublin bench surprisingly weak in comparison.
Brendan Rogers is a phenomenal footballer what a result!!!
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 04, 2023, 06:37:51 PM
Good last 20 mins. However Derry fans need to have a look at themselves. This isn't soccer no call for all that booing.
Your shite stinks the same as a soccer fan's.
Quote from: screenexile on March 04, 2023, 06:40:26 PM
Brendan Rogers is a phenomenal footballer what a result!!!
That is for sure, inspirational.
Derry going down so easily was actually laughable at times, Hurson bought it every single time. I really hope this isn't the way the game is gonna be from now on any touch at all players just go down. Brutal to watch
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Brendan Rogers is a phenomenal footballer what a result!!!
Absolutely, but does tend to take 9-10 steps on those big runs. Rarely gets blown, similar to Kilkenny
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Quote from: befair on March 04, 2023, 06:38:28 PM
Kilkenny passes up on a certain goal, Derry miss 3 scoreable frees in the first half, but yeh, blame the ref.....
He was giving Derry everything till Derry went in front, then gave Dublin a phantom free. Standard GAA bollocks.
Nothing phantom about it. Clear obstruction and very well spotted by the ref. He did miss a clear pick off the ground by Dublin on the near side just before that free
Paul Flynn moaning on RTE about the ref giving more that allotted injury time to allow Derry kick the winner. Cry me a river.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 04, 2023, 06:53:07 PM
Paul Flynn moaning on RTE about the ref giving more that allotted injury time to allow Derry kick the winner. Cry me a river.
Should it have been 50 secs over?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 04, 2023, 06:53:07 PM
Paul Flynn moaning on RTE about the ref giving more that allotted injury time to allow Derry kick the winner. Cry me a river.
What was the extra minute for? Most refs would have blown it up with Derry on the ball in their own half with time up
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 04, 2023, 06:53:07 PM
Paul Flynn moaning on RTE about the ref giving more that allotted injury time to allow Derry kick the winner. Cry me a river.
What was the extra minute for? Most refs would have blown it up with Derry on the ball in their own half with time up
Home team call.
Quote from: greatpoint on March 04, 2023, 06:56:59 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 04, 2023, 06:53:07 PM
Paul Flynn moaning on RTE about the ref giving more that allotted injury time to allow Derry kick the winner. Cry me a river.
What was the extra minute for? Most refs would have blown it up with Derry on the ball in their own half with time up
Was stoppages during injury time.
Rogers took 9 steps just to kick the winner
I thought he was fair just not great.
He clearly saw Shane McGuigan taken out 3rd man off the ball and didn't give the black card.
Derry's 2 frees at the end were on the soft side but were 100% frees!
Some of the decisions he gave Derryvwere laughable & the score at the end was a clear overcarry
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 04, 2023, 06:53:07 PM
Paul Flynn moaning on RTE about the ref giving more that allotted injury time to allow Derry kick the winner. Cry me a river.
What was the extra minute for? Most refs would have blown it up with Derry on the ball in their own half with time up
Was stoppages during injury time.
There was a full minute of stoppages in less than four minutes of injury time?
Quote from: sam03/05 on March 04, 2023, 07:14:07 PM
Some of the decisions he gave Derryvwere laughable & the score at the end was a clear overcarry
Poor Tyronies not taking Derry's win well 😂😂😂
Quote from: greatpoint on March 04, 2023, 06:37:19 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 04, 2023, 06:35:58 PM
Ref is horrible. Amount of missed extra steps and pick ups off the ground was unreal.
I thought after last year's Ulster final he wouldn't be seen again for a while
He was horrible. There was some about of extra yards stolen for majority of the Derry frees.
Don't know why people complain about steps, Tierney took 10 steps scoring a point against Donegal the game last week.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 04, 2023, 06:41:51 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 04, 2023, 06:37:51 PM
Good last 20 mins. However Derry fans need to have a look at themselves. This isn't soccer no call for all that booing.
Your shite stinks the same as a soccer fan's.
Not really sure the relevance. Booing isnt a part of the game but it is in soccer. You want to hear fans booing then stick to watching soccer.
Quote from: weareros on March 04, 2023, 06:23:22 PM
Why did Derry kick the free backwards. It looked scorable. Great second half.
Was that an indirect free?
Seriously lads, look up the rule book.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 04, 2023, 06:53:07 PM
Paul Flynn moaning on RTE about the ref giving more that allotted injury time to allow Derry kick the winner. Cry me a river.
Should it have been 50 secs over?
"At least 4mins injury time", so even if there was no additional injury time, from the time the ref informed the sideline there was "at least 4 mins". That doesn't mean 4 mins exactly, it could mean up to 4 mins and 59 seconds. Fitzsimons cynical last free and sending off alone ate up considerable time.
Interesting that despite Flynn's complaints about the ref , Dessie Farrell seemed to indicate he was disappointed by his players conceding the frees as opposed to referee. The replay showed them to be stone-wall frees with naive lack of discipline inside 13m.
As a neutral I thought the referee had a great game
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 04, 2023, 06:53:07 PM
Paul Flynn moaning on RTE about the ref giving more that allotted injury time to allow Derry kick the winner. Cry me a river.
What was the extra minute for? Most refs would have blown it up with Derry on the ball in their own half with time up
Was stoppages during injury time.
There was a full minute of stoppages in less than four minutes of injury time?
As above . Ref calls "at least .. minutes of injury time", with a few minutes of normal time left. He says "at least" rather than specify because it is impossible to be exact. Within that period fitzsimons cynically "took one for the team". It would have been disappointing to see Fitzsimons rewarded for his cynicism. Farrell and Dublin will learn from this game, and with several players to come back are arguably still the team to beat this year, again
Did Toner come on again for Derry near the end?
I think Gallagher needs to introduce a few more players. Very limited panel as they move into the business end of the year.
Well he needs to look at strengthen the panel, deff no strength in depth. Need Bradley bck, Brown from Australia, McFaul,long term injuries Enda Downey, plus he need maybe look at a few who dropped of the panel past few Yrs. Never understand why J Doherty got no game time last year.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 04, 2023, 07:46:46 PM
Well he needs to look at strengthen the panel, deff no strength in depth. Need Bradley bck, Brown from Australia, McFaul,long term injuries Enda Downey, plus he need maybe look at a few who dropped of the panel past few Yrs. Never understand why J Doherty got no game time last year.
Not only that but if I was on bench and lad who was taken off, then put on again, before me, I wouldn't be impressed.
There is nothing worse than poor losers.
Yes Derry got the rub of the green, but you make your luck .
And as far as the final whistle, it is pretty much a given that the referee won't blow up an attack.
Yes I do agree Dublin were unfortunate not to get a draw but had Derry not has a little bad luck on the Roscommon Game last year Dublin would not have been playing in Celtic park this week. Thems the breaks
Quote from: sam03/05 on March 04, 2023, 07:14:07 PM
Some of the decisions he gave Derryvwere laughable & the score at the end was a clear overcarry
:D :D :D hook it up to my veins lol
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Some of the decisions he gave Derryvwere laughable & the score at the end was a clear overcarry
Yeeeeeeeooooooooooooooooooooooooo
A cracking result for Derry. Kilmacud Crokes your boys took a hell of a psychological kick in the nuts.
Quote from: seafoid on March 04, 2023, 08:22:41 PM
Kilmacud Crokes your boys took a hell of a psychological kick in the nuts.
Another utterly pointless contribution foid.
Kilmacud Crokes are All Ireland champions and hadn't a single player involved today. Not a single fook will Shane Walsh and the boys give about this match!
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Kilmacud Crokes your boys took a hell of a psychological kick in the nuts.
Another utterly pointless contribution foid.
Kilmacud Crokes are All Ireland champions and hadn't a single player involved today. Not a single fook will Shane Walsh and the boys give about this match!
If anything Crokes players would be more interested in seeing who might take their starting spot, come championship.
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Quote from: seafoid on March 04, 2023, 08:22:41 PM
Kilmacud Crokes your boys took a hell of a psychological kick in the nuts.
Another utterly pointless contribution foid.
Kilmacud Crokes are All Ireland champions and hadn't a single player involved today. Not a single fook will Shane Walsh and the boys give about this match!
If anything Crokes players would be more interested in seeing who might take their starting spot, come championship.
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Good point, rogers will be on the shortlist after that performance.
Quote from: sam03/05 on March 04, 2023, 07:14:07 PM
Some of the decisions he gave Derryvwere laughable & the score at the end was a clear overcarry
Great to see all the Tyronies lose their shit over a Derry result. You know we are doing something right when they get all worked up.
We were so far off the boil in the 1st half and Dublin where picking off scores with ease. We gave Dublin too much respect. A different beast in the second half. Good to keep that winning habit rolling. No point in going out hammering teams like Meath and Kildare if you can't compete in big games like this. We are far from a finished article but the biggest thing under Gallagher is the fight he has put into lads playing for the jersey that was missing for too long in Derry teams.
A game of two halfs for Derry. Didnt bring anywhere near enough intensity in the first half and Dublin took advantage.
Some of the dubs attacking play in that half was top drawer stuff. McCarthy runs were really hurting us in particular. Kilkenny and Murchant too.
But even at that, Derry missed 3 (I think) easy frees and 3 further scores which on another day we'd have been scoring. We should still have went in at half time even.
The second half was a completely different game from Derry. They moved up 2 gears and brought the game to Dublin, who then started making mistakes. McKinless made a huge difference as did McWilliams and Murray. Those couple of points McWilliams and Murray scored were awesome. Paul Cassidy continues his good form, but Rogers and Glass took complete control around the middle in the second half and Rogers in particular was on a different level driving us forward.
A fantastic win for Derry and we go into the last 2 games knowing that promotion is within our reach.
I feel Dublin will still improve come championship. Not sure why McCaffery wasnt on the match day panel, he'd have made a huge difference for the dubs. But when you look at the impact the dublin subs made in comparison to the derry subs, it was night and day.
I do have to laugh at people saying the ref favoured derry or gave us soft frees though. Forgetting the irony of Dublin complaining about home town decisions, Fitzsimmons should have got the line twice before he eventually did. The amount of off the ball stuff Dublin were at and got away with was ridiculous and that was never a free near the end against Glass to pull the Dubs level. And seriously, does anyone think a Tyrone ref will be good to Derry? Catch a grip lads. On the whole the ref had a decent game, prob one of the best refs about at the minute.
Feet on the ground though. We've shown we deserve to be in Div1 in my opinion. We've marginally beat Dublin, who were relegated from Div1 last year and as much as it'll be said that we are in with a shout of beating the big boys now, Championship is a different beast. Would I be confident of beating Dublin in championship in Croke park? Not a chance. I wouldn't even be confident of beating Clare or Cork in the next two league games. But, I would be confident that we'll put it up to anyone now. The way we turned that game around was impressive. It would have been really easy to go out with a whimper and get beat by 8 or 10 points after the first half but instead we showed character and resolve and that will be key to going further.
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 05, 2023, 09:37:07 AM
A game of two halfs for Derry. Didnt bring anywhere near enough intensity in the first half and Dublin took advantage.
Some of the dubs attacking play in that half was top drawer stuff. McCarthy runs were really hurting us in particular. Kilkenny and Murchant too.
But even at that, Derry missed 3 (I think) easy frees and 3 further scores which on another day we'd have been scoring. We should still have went in at half time even.
The second half was a completely different game from Derry. They moved up 2 gears and brought the game to Dublin, who then started making mistakes. McKinless made a huge difference as did McWilliams and Murray. Those couple of points McWilliams and Murray scored were awesome. Paul Cassidy continues his good form, but Rogers and Glass took complete control around the middle in the second half and Rogers in particular was on a different level driving us forward.
A fantastic win for Derry and we go into the last 2 games knowing that promotion is within our reach.
I feel Dublin will still improve come championship. Not sure why McCaffery wasnt on the match day panel, he'd have made a huge difference for the dubs. But when you look at the impact the dublin subs made in comparison to the derry subs, it was night and day.
I do have to laugh at people saying the ref favoured derry or gave us soft frees though. Forgetting the irony of Dublin complaining about home town decisions, Fitzsimmons should have got the line twice before he eventually did. The amount of off the ball stuff Dublin were at and got away with was ridiculous and that was never a free near the end against Glass to pull the Dubs level. And seriously, does anyone think a Tyrone ref will be good to Derry? Catch a grip lads. On the whole the ref had a decent game, prob one of the best refs about at the minute.
Feet on the ground though. We've shown we deserve to be in Div1 in my opinion. We've marginally beat Dublin, who were relegated from Div1 last year and as much as it'll be said that we are in with a shout of beating the big boys now, Championship is a different beast. Would I be confident of beating Dublin in championship in Croke park? Not a chance. I wouldn't even be confident of beating Clare or Cork in the next two league games. But, I would be confident that we'll put it up to anyone now. The way we turned that game around was impressive. It would have been really easy to go out with a whimper and get beat by 8 or 10 points after the first half but instead we showed character and resolve and that will be key to going further.
the ref was buying everything Derry were selling when it came to Derry lads going down easy.
The Dubs are second favourite after Kerry but that seems to be based on fumes. This year's all Ireland is wide open.
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Quote from: sam03/05 on March 04, 2023, 07:14:07 PM
Some of the decisions he gave Derryvwere laughable & the score at the end was a clear overcarry
Poor Tyronies not taking Derry's win well 😂😂😂
Just getting around to reading the thread, Tyrone folk taking it very badly!
McGuigan gets taken out down in the corner near the Brandywell terrace, of course any ref with any common sense is going to allow a team a final play... And what a passage of play, serious bravery from Brendan to burst through and slot over the winner. Must be the first time since the 90s that CP was full.
Had a few sociables in town after, every bar rammed with Dubliners, brilliant to see.
Quote from: seafoid on March 05, 2023, 10:41:13 AM
The Dubs are second favourite after Kerry but that seems to be based on fumes. This year's all Ireland is wide open.
Kerry look comfortably ahead,I base very little on the league...league smeague
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Quote from: sam03/05 on March 04, 2023, 07:14:07 PM
Some of the decisions he gave Derryvwere laughable & the score at the end was a clear overcarry
Poor Tyronies not taking Derry's win well 😂😂😂
Just getting around imto reading the thread, Tyrone folk taking it very badly!
McGuigan gets taken out down in the corner near the Brandywell terrace, of course any ref with any common sense is going to allow a team a final play... And what a passage of play, serious bravery from Brendan to burst through and slot over the winner. Must be the first time since the 90s that CP was full.
Had a few sociables in town after, every bar rammed with Dubliners, brilliant to see.
Not sure what the obsession with tyrone is. Surely you should be looking at the validity of the comment and not who it's from. Plenty of poster are saying the same thing from other teams.
Derry played very well but the ref was horrible for both teams. Some of the stuff Derry were at will get called out during championship. Also I have noticed booing follow seems to follow Rory Gallaghers team around. Donegal fans wee at it when him and Jim were there and now so are Derry. Really hate to see booing at matches.
Can see Derry being the top team in ulster for a few years with armagh in 2nd place. Don't think they will win the AI though as I think kerry with Dublin behind them will collect the next few AIs
Dublin are in post Fergie or current Liverpool/Man City mode.
FS after Dublin, it was Tyrone supporters who picked up the baton of booing more than 15+yrs ago. Dublin started the booing, the Derry ones countered it. Though if u go to away game u hear little booing so little is the away support. Dublin should got a black card and the free against glass on review is dogdy enough. Dublin will always been near favourites as they the only team gets home advantage in the championship.
Limerick 4 up against Meath. Go before Dia ortho
Kildare lost but so did Clare. Both on 2 points. 1 goes down. As long as this mirroring continues Clare go down
Limerick have to play Kildare and Clare in last 2 games. Expect Clare and Limerick to go down now. Clare defeats to Kildare and Dublin proving costly now.
Meath can't defend at all. Don't know what the issue is. We're conceding loads every game. There's good individual defenders in Keoghan and Adam O'Neill but as a unit they're porous.
We don't have a hope against Dublin but Kildare look beatable but it would be typical of them to have their best game against us.
Quote from: thejuice on March 05, 2023, 05:53:53 PM
Meath can't defend at all. Don't know what the issue is. We're conceding loads every game. There's good individual defenders in Keoghan and Adam O'Neill but as a unit they're porous.
We don't have a hope against Dublin but Kildare look beatable but it would be typical of them to have their best game against us.
Is it fair to say that O'Rourkes ideology (kicking the ball in like its 1987) is being found out as being outdated in 2023?
In fairness to O'Rourke it's his first season. Padraic Joyce only got going in year 3.
Quote from: seafoid on March 05, 2023, 09:40:38 PM
In fairness to O'Rourke it's his first season. Padraic Joyce only got going in year 3.
Doubt O'Rourke will see three years with Meath that's the difference. He could well walk after this years championship.
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Meath can't defend at all. Don't know what the issue is. We're conceding loads every game. There's good individual defenders in Keoghan and Adam O'Neill but as a unit they're porous.
We don't have a hope against Dublin but Kildare look beatable but it would be typical of them to have their best game against us.
Is it fair to say that O'Rourkes ideology (kicking the ball in like its 1987) is being found out as being outdated in 2023?
Yes, O'Rourke spent the guts of 20 years in the glass house in Croke Park and various venues around the country telling Managers to kick the ball in. He is all over the place in this Division.
We all know that but O'Rourke isn't the only one on the sideline. Bray, Callaghan and Garrigan were supposed to keep us grounded in the 21st century.
Quote from: thejuice on March 06, 2023, 05:29:59 AM
We all know that but O'Rourke isn't the only one on the sideline. Bray, Callaghan and Garrigan were supposed to keep us grounded in the 21st century.
If Meath were organised they wouldn't be in Division 2 . Turning around more than a decade of mediocrity usually takes more than 5 matches.
I'm still a bit nervous about Derry's match v Clare. I'm sure they will an extra incentive after last year's quarter final and they have looked good in spells this year, certainly better than their points tally suggests. Really don't want to be going to Cork in the last game needing a result to secure promotion. Derry definitely aren't home and dry yet.
Excellent result for Derry at the weekend. I think if you told any supporter at the start of the league that Derry would only need one point from their final two fixtures, we would have been delighted. But tempered with the fact that following Derry over the years have delivered a good few shocking results. So there is absolutely nothing guaranteed.
Of the game itself, Derry didn't/couldn't build any momentum, due to poor shooting and how good Dublin were. Counted 1-5 that on another day would've been scored: 3 frees – 2 wide and one short, 2 poor wides from straight in front of goals and Loughlins goal opportunity, he scored a more difficult one last week against Kildare. Another step/dummy and it would've been an open goal as the keeper was committed to going down. The large crowd didn't really have anything to shout about in the first half.
Second half comeback didn't look to be on, but the introduction of McKinless was the catalyst, others played a massive role and showed no fear. Obviously Rogers and especially McWilliams and Murray, when they came on. I'd agree with the Toner substitution being bizarre. Looks like RG has 19 players that he trusts and after that players are struggling for game time. McCarron, Cassidy and others would've massively benefitted from an appearance.
As for the ref, I was neither impressed nor shocked at his decision making. Sometimes he allowed for robust challenges on both sides, other times he didn't. Some things he blew for, and a few minutes later allowed play to continue. Told players numerous times to get up and get on with it, if he thought they were trying to con him. Thought Fitzsimons could have got the line earlier, thought McCarthy might have got away with a hand trip -black card, foul blown, but that was it. Haven't seen it again to confirm.
Was right in line with Kilkenny's run at goal, could see that the flick across was on and was delighted he took the point. Though, at the time, I still thought that point might have been enough for Dublin to get over the line.
Enjoyable second half. And fingers crossed Derry get the points against Clare, a trip to Cork for the final fixture with things still hanging in the balance will not be a fun trip.
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In fairness to O'Rourke it's his first season. Padraic Joyce only got going in year 3.
Doubt O'Rourke will see three years with Meath that's the difference. He could well walk after this years championship.
They showed serious patience with McEntee to be fair.
Mulroy out for the remainder, that will not help Louth. https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0308/1360962-blow-for-louth-as-mulroy-to-miss-rest-of-league/
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In fairness to O'Rourke it's his first season. Padraic Joyce only got going in year 3.
Doubt O'Rourke will see three years with Meath that's the difference. He could well walk after this years championship.
They showed serious patience with McEntee to be fair.
What do Meath fans expect? The county team needs a big rebuild job.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 08, 2023, 03:17:57 PM
Mulroy out for the remainder, that will not help Louth. https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0308/1360962-blow-for-louth-as-mulroy-to-miss-rest-of-league/
Big blow to Louth unlikely to feature much if at all in the championship.
Louth's objective of avoiding relegation is more of less achieved with two games to spare. When you consider Mickey Harte took on the Louth gig in November 2020 when they were just relegated to Division 4 losing 6 of their 7 games you get to realise how much they have improved under his watch.
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Quote from: seafoid on March 05, 2023, 09:40:38 PM
In fairness to O'Rourke it's his first season. Padraic Joyce only got going in year 3.
Doubt O'Rourke will see three years with Meath that's the difference. He could well walk after this years championship.
They showed serious patience with McEntee to be fair.
In fairness McEntee got Meath into Division One. He was completely smothered in Leinster by a rampant Dublin.
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Quote from: seafoid on March 05, 2023, 09:40:38 PM
In fairness to O'Rourke it's his first season. Padraic Joyce only got going in year 3.
Doubt O'Rourke will see three years with Meath that's the difference. He could well walk after this years championship.
They showed serious patience with McEntee to be fair.
In fairness McEntee got Meath into Division One. He was completely smothered in Leinster by a rampant Dublin.
Did they not go straight down again ?
Meath were let slide for a long time and he will need time. Kildare seem in freefall and the basic basic errors are a joke during games. Like a lot of that team steamrolled Louth last year.
If they do end up in the Tailteann, we may not snub our noses at it, but many will. The reality is that I said at the outset that ourselves and Meath could both see the wheels come off if things didn't go well.
There is a strange managerial messiah thing in Kildare whereby the boss gets all the credit when we do well and the players not as much. Then when it goes dodgy the manager is a great mud guard.
I will ALWAYS say I have never seen a county team where experienced player so do so many stupid things in games.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on March 08, 2023, 11:50:22 PM
Meath were let slide for a long time and he will need time. Kildare seem in freefall and the basic basic errors are a joke during games. Like a lot of that team steamrolled Louth last year.
If they do end up in the Tailteann, we may not snub our noses at it, but many will. The reality is that I said at the outset that ourselves and Meath could both see the wheels come off if things didn't go well.
There is a strange managerial messiah thing in Kildare whereby the boss gets all the credit when we do well and the players not as much. Then when it goes dodgy the manager is a great mud guard.
I will ALWAYS say I have never seen a county team where experienced player so do so many stupid things in games.
I don't think that is a Kildare thing as much as the situation that Kildare have been in for so long. People in Meath, Cork and Down would be familiar with it.
I know what it looks like because I have seen it with the Galway hurlers and footballers at various stages.
There is no accuracy. There is no consistency. There is a high number of turnovers. There is a high turnover of players. There is no progress.In Galway this stage is called "pure fuckin usheless".
Limerick management gone.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0310/1361455-dempsey-quits-limerick-hotseat-after-just-five-games/
Probably makes no difference.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 10, 2023, 02:31:29 PM
Limerick management gone.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0310/1361455-dempsey-quits-limerick-hotseat-after-just-five-games/
Probably makes no difference.
Not very surprising
Quote from: seafoid on March 10, 2023, 02:37:35 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 10, 2023, 02:31:29 PM
Limerick management gone.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0310/1361455-dempsey-quits-limerick-hotseat-after-just-five-games/
Probably makes no difference.
Not very surprising
After just five games I'd think It would be a surprise to most outsiders looking in but clearly all wasn't well behind the scenes to jump ship so soon.
Quote from: seafoid on March 10, 2023, 02:37:35 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 10, 2023, 02:31:29 PM
Limerick management gone.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0310/1361455-dempsey-quits-limerick-hotseat-after-just-five-games/
Probably makes no difference.
Not very surprising
Still who would have thought the Lmerick manager would have to resign in the week fter drawing with once mighy meath.
Quote from: rosnarun on March 10, 2023, 02:59:50 PM
Still who would have thought the Lmerick manager would have to resign in the week fter drawing with once mighy meath.
I suppose the question is whether Meath should be happy with management who can only draw with a Limerick team in chaos?
I know results haven't been great but Limerick were just promoted... what else has gone on??
Quote from: screenexile on March 11, 2023, 03:07:15 PM
I know results haven't been great but Limerick were just promoted... what else has gone on??
Looks like the players never accepted this appointed to be begin with along with the disappointment of Billy Lee walking away in August.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 11, 2023, 03:43:53 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 11, 2023, 03:07:15 PM
I know results haven't been great but Limerick were just promoted... what else has gone on??
Looks like the players never accepted this appointed to be begin with along with the disappointment of Billy Lee walking away in August.
Limerick might possibly be a dark horse for the Tailteann depending on how things shake out.
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 12, 2023, 09:31:11 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 11, 2023, 03:43:53 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 11, 2023, 03:07:15 PM
I know results haven't been great but Limerick were just promoted... what else has gone on??
Looks like the players never accepted this appointed to be begin with along with the disappointment of Billy Lee walking away in August.
Limerick might possibly be a dark horse for the Tailteann depending on how things shake out.
Dunno. Form teams are Cavan and Down. Cavan left it behind last year. Wicklow are organised. Leitrim are handy. Loads of contenders with momentum.
Quote from: seafoid on March 13, 2023, 05:44:44 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 12, 2023, 09:31:11 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 11, 2023, 03:43:53 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 11, 2023, 03:07:15 PM
I know results haven't been great but Limerick were just promoted... what else has gone on??
Looks like the players never accepted this appointed to be begin with along with the disappointment of Billy Lee walking away in August.
Limerick might possibly be a dark horse for the Tailteann depending on how things shake out.
Dunno. Form teams are Cavan and Down. Cavan left it behind last year. Wicklow are organised. Leitrim are handy. Loads of contenders with momentum.
What would Down and Cavan's form be like if they were in Div 2 up against the likes of Derry and Dublin? Clare look like they'll end up in the Tailteann cup and would be among favourites should they get their strongest team out on the field.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 13, 2023, 05:53:54 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 13, 2023, 05:44:44 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 12, 2023, 09:31:11 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 11, 2023, 03:43:53 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 11, 2023, 03:07:15 PM
I know results haven't been great but Limerick were just promoted... what else has gone on??
Looks like the players never accepted this appointed to be begin with along with the disappointment of Billy Lee walking away in August.
Limerick might possibly be a dark horse for the Tailteann depending on how things shake out.
Dunno. Form teams are Cavan and Down. Cavan left it behind last year. Wicklow are organised. Leitrim are handy. Loads of contenders with momentum.
What would Down and Cavan's form be like if they were in Div 2 up against the likes of Derry and Dublin? Clare look like they'll end up in the Tailteann cup and would be among favourites should they get their strongest team out on the field.
How would it matter for 3rd division and second division teams who won't be relegated ?
If Clare get relegated they may not be in the right frame of mind.
Quote from: seafoid on March 13, 2023, 07:56:36 PM
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Quote from: seafoid on March 13, 2023, 05:44:44 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 12, 2023, 09:31:11 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 11, 2023, 03:43:53 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 11, 2023, 03:07:15 PM
I know results haven't been great but Limerick were just promoted... what else has gone on??
Looks like the players never accepted this appointed to be begin with along with the disappointment of Billy Lee walking away in August.
Limerick might possibly be a dark horse for the Tailteann depending on how things shake out.
Dunno. Form teams are Cavan and Down. Cavan left it behind last year. Wicklow are organised. Leitrim are handy. Loads of contenders with momentum.
What would Down and Cavan's form be like if they were in Div 2 up against the likes of Derry and Dublin? Clare look like they'll end up in the Tailteann cup and would be among favourites should they get their strongest team out on the field.
How would it matter for 3rd division and second division teams who won't be relegated ?
If Clare get relegated they may not be in the right frame of mind.
Clare have the experience of playing 7 consecutive years in Division 2 and reaching a couple of All-Ireland quarter finals.
Momentum/right frame of mind would be picked up in the group stage format.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 13, 2023, 08:32:55 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 13, 2023, 07:56:36 PM
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Quote from: seafoid on March 13, 2023, 05:44:44 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 12, 2023, 09:31:11 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 11, 2023, 03:43:53 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 11, 2023, 03:07:15 PM
I know results haven't been great but Limerick were just promoted... what else has gone on??
Looks like the players never accepted this appointed to be begin with along with the disappointment of Billy Lee walking away in August.
Limerick might possibly be a dark horse for the Tailteann depending on how things shake out.
Dunno. Form teams are Cavan and Down. Cavan left it behind last year. Wicklow are organised. Leitrim are handy. Loads of contenders with momentum.
What would Down and Cavan's form be like if they were in Div 2 up against the likes of Derry and Dublin? Clare look like they'll end up in the Tailteann cup and would be among favourites should they get their strongest team out on the field.
How would it matter for 3rd division and second division teams who won't be relegated ?
If Clare get relegated they may not be in the right frame of mind.
Clare have the experience of playing 7 consecutive years in Division 2 and reaching a couple of All-Ireland quarter finals.
Momentum/right frame of mind would be picked up in the group stage format.
Clare are similar to Monaghan . Their best days are behind them. Otherwise they wouldn't be relegation contenders.
Quote from: seafoid on March 13, 2023, 08:37:09 PM
Clare are similar to Monaghan . Their best days are behind them. Otherwise they wouldn't be relegation contenders.
Clare have been tipped by plenty in each of the last seven years for relegation. Eventually they would likely fall through the trap door. If they do this year it won't be because their best days are behind them more so not having the best of luck in games against Kildare, Dublin that should have gained a couple of points from.
Anyone that watched the Sigerson cup this year will know about the amount of good quality young players Clare have.
Clare are a decent side and could give anyone a game.
I think they are just a little short to challenge for a Div1 slot, but I also think they are too strong to be a Div3 side.
Prob mid table Div2 is about right for them but they could go down. Kildare seem to me to be a Div3 side at the minute for what ever reason. Limerick have been awful.
Down really pushed Derry hard in the McKenna cup, I know Derry have improved since then and I haven't seen Down since, but there are some serious footballers there and they are very physical.
Cavan will feel hard done by after last year.
I feel both could compete in Div2 and maintain their status there.
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 14, 2023, 12:53:05 PM
Clare are a decent side and could give anyone a game.
I think they are just a little short to challenge for a Div1 slot, but I also think they are too strong to be a Div3 side.
Prob mid table Div2 is about right for them but they could go down. Kildare seem to me to be a Div3 side at the minute for what ever reason. Limerick have been awful.
Down really pushed Derry hard in the McKenna cup, I know Derry have improved since then and I haven't seen Down since, but there are some serious footballers there and they are very physical.
Cavan will feel hard done by after last year.
I feel both could compete in Div2 and maintain their status there.
Clare lost to Kildare by a point
They have Derry and Limerick
Kildare have Meath and Limerick
It looks like Kildare stay up and Clare go down unless Limerick beat Kildare and Clare beat Limerick.
Quote from: seafoid on March 14, 2023, 01:58:31 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 14, 2023, 12:53:05 PM
Clare are a decent side and could give anyone a game.
I think they are just a little short to challenge for a Div1 slot, but I also think they are too strong to be a Div3 side.
Prob mid table Div2 is about right for them but they could go down. Kildare seem to me to be a Div3 side at the minute for what ever reason. Limerick have been awful.
Down really pushed Derry hard in the McKenna cup, I know Derry have improved since then and I haven't seen Down since, but there are some serious footballers there and they are very physical.
Cavan will feel hard done by after last year.
I feel both could compete in Div2 and maintain their status there.
Clare lost to Kildare by a point
They have Derry and Limerick
Kildare have Meath and Limerick
It looks like Kildare stay up and Clare go down unless Limerick beat Kildare and Clare beat Limerick.
yeah Div2 is a strange league this year, I'm only talking about what I've seen and my opinion on Kildare being Div3 is more about the level they are playing at as opposed to them actually getting relegated.
Clare were unlucky to lose against Dublin.
Meath beat Cork.
So really results have been unpredictable. I could see Clare beating Limerick easily, but I do think Derry will go all guns blazing for promotion and will have too much for Clare.
I can see Meath beating Kildare, but i'd still expect Kildare to beat Limerick.
It does look like Clare and Limerick are going down. Clare would/should give the Tailteann a good rattle.
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 14, 2023, 02:44:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 14, 2023, 01:58:31 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 14, 2023, 12:53:05 PM
Clare are a decent side and could give anyone a game.
I think they are just a little short to challenge for a Div1 slot, but I also think they are too strong to be a Div3 side.
Prob mid table Div2 is about right for them but they could go down. Kildare seem to me to be a Div3 side at the minute for what ever reason. Limerick have been awful.
Down really pushed Derry hard in the McKenna cup, I know Derry have improved since then and I haven't seen Down since, but there are some serious footballers there and they are very physical.
Cavan will feel hard done by after last year.
I feel both could compete in Div2 and maintain their status there.
Clare lost to Kildare by a point
They have Derry and Limerick
Kildare have Meath and Limerick
It looks like Kildare stay up and Clare go down unless Limerick beat Kildare and Clare beat Limerick.
yeah Div2 is a strange league this year, I'm only talking about what I've seen and my opinion on Kildare being Div3 is more about the level they are playing at as opposed to them actually getting relegated.
Clare were unlucky to lose against Dublin.
Meath beat Cork.
So really results have been unpredictable. I could see Clare beating Limerick easily, but I do think Derry will go all guns blazing for promotion and will have too much for Clare.
I can see Meath beating Kildare, but i'd still expect Kildare to beat Limerick.
It does look like Clare and Limerick are going down. Clare would/should give the Tailteann a good rattle.
Kildare have been awful but in one match they did the job and it was against Clare. That win may turn out to be priceless.
What dates are the National League finals? Is it Div 3 & 4 on a Saturday and Div 1 & 2 on the Sunday?
Clare have a superior points difference to Kildare except in the head to head.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/results/gaa/2023/6321/tables/
Quote from: toby47 on March 15, 2023, 11:33:18 AM
What dates are the National League finals? Is it Div 3 & 4 on a Saturday and Div 1 & 2 on the Sunday?
Saturday 1st / Sunday 2nd April with probably the Div 1 and 2 finals on Sunday.
Meath aren't getting physical enough with Dublin here, standing off them, poor considering this ref is favouring defenders.
Steps Kid!
Quote from: highorlow on March 18, 2023, 03:29:50 PM
Meath aren't getting physical enough with Dublin here, standing off them, poor considering this ref is favouring defenders.
............ and M Morrissey is certainly favouring Dublln in his commentary. Who is his co-commentator; he's putting me to sleep.
Quote from: Sandy Hill on March 18, 2023, 03:39:12 PM
Quote from: highorlow on March 18, 2023, 03:29:50 PM
Meath aren't getting physical enough with Dublin here, standing off them, poor considering this ref is favouring defenders.
............ and M Morrissey is certainly favouring Dublln in his commentary. Who is his co-commentator; he's putting me to sleep.
Morrissey is just pathetic, simple as.
especially when he adds his condescending comments.
Useless.
him commentating is a very good reason to go to as many games as you can.
Meaths defending is so naïve it's embarrassing. It's making it so easy for Dublin. I can't see the wind making that much of a difference in the second half but poor choice of shooting from the forwards.
Quote from: Sandy Hill on March 18, 2023, 03:39:12 PM
Quote from: highorlow on March 18, 2023, 03:29:50 PM
Meath aren't getting physical enough with Dublin here, standing off them, poor considering this ref is favouring defenders.
............ and M Morrissey is certainly favouring Dublln in his commentary. Who is his co-commentator; he's putting me to sleep.
John Maughan?
Over carried again for a goal
FT Meath 1-11 Dublin 2-19. Such low intensity contest whereby the home crowd atmosphere was killed early on.
So frustrating. To have the commentators questioning our strength and conditioning at this stage seems unforgivable. We should be at the same level as the best teams in Ireland in that department, no excuses. We have the facilities, the clubs have the facilities. I can't get my head around that. I really f**king hope Colm wises up now defensively. We'll be lucky to get a result from Kildare if we play man to man again.
Meath a very big team, by conditioning I suspect he means ability to get up and down the field quick.
We have a few big players but plenty smaller lads. Still should be well able to go 70+ minutes. If a player is involved at county level from underage that shouldn't be an issue these days.
Quote from: thejuice on March 18, 2023, 05:05:49 PM
So frustrating. To have the commentators questioning our strength and conditioning at this stage seems unforgivable. We should be at the same level as the best teams in Ireland in that department, no excuses. We have the facilities, the clubs have the facilities. I can't get my head around that. I really f**king hope Colm wises up now defensively. We'll be lucky to get a result from Kildare if we play man to man again.
Ah S&C wasn't the issue yesterday.
I think maybe Maugham was trying to be diplomatic in saying that Meath will be grand if they put in a few extra days in the gym. When he was probably thinking the same as everyone else, i.e. Meath were hopeless defensively, poor up front and mediocre in the middle.
Dubs were pretty good, especially in the first half, but I can't remember a worse defensive display than Meath's first half performance. Disappointing that Mannion and McCaffrey not available, presumably both injured. Another game against Derry will do us good, not sure if Derry will take the final seriously, hopefully they will and it should be a Division 1 type match which both teams probably need.
24mins gone.
Derry 0-08 Clare 0-00
Jesus Clare are very bad!
I only counted one Clare shot that broke the end line, in the first 35
Clare's score difference is taking a hammering
Quote from: screenexile on March 19, 2023, 01:38:59 PM
Jesus Clare are very bad!
Derry will make a few in Division 1 look bad next year also. Fairly motoring now and expectations should be to match last years All Ireland semi final spot and give a much better account of themselves in that match should they reach it.
Clare starting the boxin now.
Derry promoted with that win 0-14 to 0-4. Better from Clare 2nd half 5-4 in scores. Louth 1-10 Cork 0-10. Louth v Dublin next weekend basically a promotion play off. Dublin v Louth could also be the Leinster final this year.
Kildare safe for this year. Clare and Limerick down D3. Tipperary down to D4. Waterford second from bottom in D4 and Cork beaten by Louth today. Munster football is not in a good place.
Quote from: Gael85 on March 19, 2023, 05:04:37 PM
Kildare safe for this year. Clare and Limerick down D3. Tipperary down to D4. Waterford second from bottom in D4 and Cork beaten by Louth today. Munster football is not in a good place.
Munster football is always in a bad place, except for the far south west of the province.
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Quote from: screenexile on March 19, 2023, 01:38:59 PM
Jesus Clare are very bad!
Derry will make a few in Division 1 look bad next year also. Fairly motoring now and expectations should be to match last years All Ireland semi final spot and give a much better account of themselves in that match should they reach it.
Clare were poor, but e in no doubt, Derry were not great either.
Never really brought any intensity to the game and really should have had 5 goals.
I'd say it'll be a concern going into championship that we haven't been scoring goals when we should be.
In saying that, all targets for the year so far achieved.
Div 1 will hopefully be the making of this team and I hope we can push on from last year.
Win ulster again at a minimum now for the rest of the year.
Mickey Harte has done some job with Louth which has gone very much under the radar. In the very unlikely event that they beat Dublin next week they would be playing division one football next season. Which is some feat given that they would have been favourites to go down at the beginning of the campaign.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 19, 2023, 06:30:31 PM
Mickey Harte has done some job with Louth which has gone very much under the radar. In the very unlikely event that they beat Dublin next week they would be playing division one football next season. Which is some feat given that they would have been favourites to go down at the beginning of the campaign.
Even more impressive with Sam Mulroy missing.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 19, 2023, 06:30:31 PM
Mickey Harte has done some job with Louth which has gone very much under the radar. In the very unlikely event that they beat Dublin next week they would be playing division one football next season. Which is some feat given that they would have been favourites to go down at the beginning of the campaign.
The Louth ones know that, and appreciate that fact.
so if louth beat the dubs, are they promoted? is there any score difference there?
Yes, on head to head.
Quote from: Estimator on March 19, 2023, 02:11:52 PM
Clare starting the boxin now.
McKaigue started the boxing. Would have taken him straight off. Utterly needless.
Welcome to the thread @DonegalGAA
Quote from: Gael85 on March 19, 2023, 06:33:51 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 19, 2023, 06:30:31 PM
Mickey Harte has done some job with Louth which has gone very much under the radar. In the very unlikely event that they beat Dublin next week they would be playing division one football next season. Which is some feat given that they would have been favourites to go down at the beginning of the campaign.
Even more impressive with Sam Mulroy missing.
100%. He was a key man.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 19, 2023, 06:59:18 PM
Quote from: Estimator on March 19, 2023, 02:11:52 PM
Clare starting the boxin now.
McKaigue started the boxing. Would have taken him straight off. Utterly needless.
Sexton started it, was trying to kill dead things at a stage, was there an actual punch thrown?
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Quote from: Estimator on March 19, 2023, 02:11:52 PM
Clare starting the boxin now.
McKaigue started the boxing. Would have taken him straight off. Utterly needless.
Sexton started it, was trying to kill dead things at a stage, was there an actual punch thrown?
And if you're 97 points up, you don't get involved. Could easily have lost one or two to red cards in that, including McKaigue who has already served a suspension. Utterly needless.
Quote from: WhoDat on March 19, 2023, 06:52:03 PM
so if louth beat the dubs, are they promoted? is there any score difference there?
If Louth win are promoted on head to head.
Quote from: Gael85 on March 19, 2023, 09:02:45 PM
Quote from: WhoDat on March 19, 2023, 06:52:03 PM
so if louth beat the dubs, are they promoted? is there any score difference there?
If Louth win are promoted on head to head.
Come on the wee men!
are louth darkhorses/contenders for the all ireland
Quote from: Eire90 on March 20, 2023, 04:31:23 AM
are louth darkhorses/contenders for the all ireland
ah jaysus now
At the start of all this I said Derry and Dublin. Others like Kildare, Meath and Cork can come apart very easily. Based on seeing them destroyed by Kildare last year when they met in championship I didn't fancy Louth, but they have really kicked on and that's without their main man.
Kildare are just a shambles and Meath were so green against the Dubs. Two bad teams meeting next week with legends at the helm. Even with Meath being wide open at the back we will still move it slowly up the field and make a mess of it.
Last game in the old Conleths should see a response BUT the heads are so low right now I don't see it.
Division 2 is always a basket case but the Dubs and Derry being down here skewed it.
Quote from: Eire90 on March 20, 2023, 04:31:23 AM
are louth darkhorses/contenders for the all ireland
Louth have had a meteoric rise but compete for Sam Maguire, come off it. They would have a good chance of competing to win a Tailteann Cup and for them it is a pity that they were denied an opportunity two years running since despite their progress, there is nothing to beat lifting meaningful silverware. With the exception of Dublin and Derry there is a huge gap between division one and the rest of division two now.
The Dublin game should be interesting. They could get beat out the gate but it will be a good barometer of their progress. They were very unlucky in the Clare game and they ran Derry considerably closer than anyone bar the dubs.
Cork are still a long way off too. Only for Derry being in the final they could have got a bit of a beating there.
Realistically Kerry, Galway and Mayo are the main AI contenders. Derry a bit outside that and who knows what Tyrone may do but they are the one team who could spring something. Hard to see Kerry being beat tbh unless the Dubs step up. For me only the dubs can beat them.
I would love to see Louth winning Leinster.
Kildare were haunted to stay up.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2023, 12:07:08 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 20, 2023, 04:31:23 AM
are louth darkhorses/contenders for the all ireland
Louth have had a meteoric rise but compete for Sam Maguire, come off it. They would have a good chance of competing to win a Tailteann Cup and for them it is a pity that they were denied an opportunity two years running since despite their progress, there is nothing to beat lifting meaningful silverware. With the exception of Dublin and Derry there is a huge gap between division one and the rest of division two now.
Reaching a Leinster final and or All Ireland Quarter final v winning Tailteann Cup. Which would bring more interest to the Louth players,management and supporters? I think the former.
Regardless what happens on Sunday against Dublin it's been a great Div 2 campaign by Louth. Last time they were in Div 2 (2018) they were totally out of their depth losing all 7 games with a points difference of -67
Full credit to Mickey Harte (71 years young) and his management on the job/improvement they have done with Louth. Took on the Louth gig in November 2020 when they were just relegated to Division 4 losing 6 of their 7 games. March 2023 3rd in Div 2 with 8 points only defeat was against the best team in this Division Derry by just 3 points.
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Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2023, 12:07:08 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 20, 2023, 04:31:23 AM
are louth darkhorses/contenders for the all ireland
Louth have had a meteoric rise but compete for Sam Maguire, come off it. They would have a good chance of competing to win a Tailteann Cup and for them it is a pity that they were denied an opportunity two years running since despite their progress, there is nothing to beat lifting meaningful silverware. With the exception of Dublin and Derry there is a huge gap between division one and the rest of division two now.
Reaching a Leinster final and or All Ireland Quarter final v winning Tailteann Cup. Which would bring more interest to the Louth players,management and supporters? I think the former.
Regardless what happens on Sunday against Dublin it's been a great Div 2 campaign by Louth. Last time they were in Div 2 (2018) they were totally out of their depth losing all 7 games with a points difference of -67
Full credit to Mickey Harte (71 years young) and his management on the job/improvement they have done with Louth. Took on the Louth gig in November 2020 when they were just relegated to Division 4 losing 6 of their 7 games. March 2023 3rd in Div 2 with 8 points only defeat was against the best team in this Division Derry by just 3 points.
I would say reaching a Leinster final is their first priority. After that I would put winning a Tailteann Cup over an AI QF appearance. I'd imagine Westmeath had a much more enjoyable and rewarding season last year than Clare did for example. When you look back on your career you will remember lifting a trophy in Croke Park and the homecoming afterwards a lot more than the inevitable 10 point drubbing in an AI quarter final. There is of course no guarantee that they would either win a Tailteann Cup or reach an AI quarter final.
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Quote from: Eire90 on March 20, 2023, 04:31:23 AM
are louth darkhorses/contenders for the all ireland
Louth have had a meteoric rise but compete for Sam Maguire, come off it. They would have a good chance of competing to win a Tailteann Cup and for them it is a pity that they were denied an opportunity two years running since despite their progress, there is nothing to beat lifting meaningful silverware. With the exception of Dublin and Derry there is a huge gap between division one and the rest of division two now.
Reaching a Leinster final and or All Ireland Quarter final v winning Tailteann Cup. Which would bring more interest to the Louth players,management and supporters? I think the former.
Regardless what happens on Sunday against Dublin it's been a great Div 2 campaign by Louth. Last time they were in Div 2 (2018) they were totally out of their depth losing all 7 games with a points difference of -67
Full credit to Mickey Harte (71 years young) and his management on the job/improvement they have done with Louth. Took on the Louth gig in November 2020 when they were just relegated to Division 4 losing 6 of their 7 games. March 2023 3rd in Div 2 with 8 points only defeat was against the best team in this Division Derry by just 3 points.
I would say reaching a Leinster final is their first priority. After that I would put winning a Tailteann Cup over an AI QF appearance. I'd imagine Westmeath had a much more enjoyable and rewarding season last year than Clare did for example. When you look back on your career you will remember lifting a trophy in Croke Park and the homecoming afterwards a lot more than the inevitable 10 point drubbing in an AI quarter final. There is of course no guarantee that they would either win a Tailteann Cup or reach an AI quarter final.
Clare would have felt on top of the world for reaching that Quarter final and looking at the two league campaigns of Clare and Roscommon this year they were punching above their weight to win that match. While it's nice lifting a trophy in Croke Park and the homecoming afterwards when the dust settles Westmeath would know they won a competition with teams in similar quality as themselves and if they were to reach All Ireland Quarter final this summer it would be a bigger achievement.
Division 2 title is a higher level/standard competition to win than the Tailteann Cup. Was a good buy in for the 1st year of the Tailteann cup and it will need that to continue for the next 2 or 3 years to keep the interest going. Debatable if a group stage instead of knock out football is the way to go.
Clare v Cork Munster championship game in Ennis makes for intriguing contest whereby if Clare lose they'll go into Tailteann Cup and probably go into the All Ireland group stage by winning.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0326/1366404-allianz-football-league-updates/
Should one more Division 3/4 team, outside of Connacht, reach a provincial decider, then Meath may be bound for Tailteann Cup football.
Well lads, how has been here? Be seeing you again next year
Quote from: seafoid on March 26, 2023, 03:47:53 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0326/1366404-allianz-football-league-updates/
Should one more Division 3/4 team, outside of Connacht, reach a provincial decider, then Meath may be bound for Tailteann Cup football.
Unless Meath themselves make the Leinster final, which is quite possible.
Leinster semifinals:
Kildare or Wicklow/Carlow V Dublin or Wexford/Laois
Meath or Longford/Offaly V Westmeath or Louth.
Ulster semifinals could produce a Div 3 finalist...
Fermanagh or Derry V Tyrone or Monaghan
Donegal or Down V Cavan or Armagh/Antrim
I don't think I can even get mad about it at this point if we do end up in the TC.I don't get the sense we're going anywhere under O'Rourke. Mi go t be early days but this league doesn't fill me with any confidence.
Nice to see everybody again.
Kildare gave Conleths a nice send-off but there were two bad teams on show! I thought we had no shape but we should have killed Meath off numerous times.
I think that we have a bit more in us to kick back into gear and lads have stepped up a bit in recent weeks. Both sets of fans might think we should be doing more and that Tailteann Cup is below us, but the reality is there for everyone to see.
Again, I think Kildare have just about steadied the ship whereas Meath look like they are going the other way.
Dublin team Eoin Murchan,Ciaran Kilkenny was named to start but don't
David O'Hanlon
Michael Fitzsimons David Byrne Daire Newcombe
Cian Murphy John Small Lee Gannon
Brian Fenton James McCarthy
Killan O'Gara Con O'Callaghan Sean Bugler
Colm Basquel Dean Rock Tom Lahiff
Derry two changes from the published team with Ben MCCarron,Benny Heron starting
Odhran Lynch
Padraig McGrogan Ben McCarron Conor McCluskey
Padraig Cassidy Gareth McKinless Conor Doherty
Conor Glass Brendan Rogers
Niall Toner Paul Cassidy Ethan Doherty
Benny Heron Shane McGuigan Niall Loughlin
Would somebody seriously have a word with or get Rory Gallagher a pair of gloves.
There's something you don't see everyday. A player down injured and getting medical attention , trying to block an opponents shot
Nothing going right for Dublin no.22 so far.
Dean Rock Dublins top scorer in this league campaign with 1-21 off injured and 2nd top scorer Cormac Costello with 1-14 not on the 26 today.
20 minutes played Derry lead 0-4 to 0-3
V poor stuff so far
Dublin look like a spent force to me. They've won it all and are still soldiering with a lot of the same players so you can only assume that there is very little coming through.
Boring. Derry won the ball back on about ten minutes and Dublin were committed up the field. Conor Glass turned and passed it back, slowed it down deliberately. Over coached. Will never get past an All Ireland semifinal.
Watching the game as an Armagh fan, this game is quite enjoyable :D good to see some long range points. Something I haven't seen all year.
Dublin 0-4 Derry 0-6 half time.
Quote from: Sportacus on April 02, 2023, 02:24:27 PM
Boring. Derry won the ball back on about ten minutes and Dublin were committed up the field. Conor Glass turned and passed it back, slowed it down deliberately. Over coached. Will never get past an All Ireland semifinal.
Have you never watched Derry before?? This isn't new!
I think Derry have been quite poor so far. Some stupid passes into the forward line that were never on and that over kicked hand toe from Glass (I still have nightmares about this from Galway match) almost cost us another goal.
Dublin have been bang average and are 100% there for the taking but the game overall has been quite poor I'd say.
Shane McGuigan has been excellent so far.
Gallagher-ball is brutal to watch.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 02, 2023, 02:19:15 PM
Dublin look like a spent force to me. They've won it all and are still soldiering with a lot of the same players so you can only assume that there is very little coming through.
Dessie Farrell managed their underage teams but doesn't seem to keen in bringing many new players through. Come championship he'll probably have Costello,McCaffrey,Mannion,Cluxton,Horward starting.
Been a few goal chances alright but fairly wild finishing. Either blasted over the bar or straight at the keeper.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 02, 2023, 02:31:15 PM
Gallagher-ball is brutal to watch.
Whatever Dublin are playing is no better
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 02, 2023, 02:31:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 02, 2023, 02:19:15 PM
Dublin look like a spent force to me. They've won it all and are still soldiering with a lot of the same players so you can only assume that there is very little coming through.
Dessie Farrell managed their underage teams but doesn't seem to keen in bringing many new players through. Come championship he'll probably have Costello,McCaffrey,Mannion,Cluxton,Horward starting.
You can't magic players out of thin air. The ones on the panel are the best available.
We expect to get a fair few of the current u20s in the senior team in the next couple of years. We haven't been able to say that about an U20/U21 team in a long time (including the team who got to a final a few years ago)
Lots of mistakes on both sides. Derry going for goals when they should just be taking their points.
Quote from: oakleaflad on April 02, 2023, 02:34:24 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 02, 2023, 02:31:15 PM
Gallagher-ball is brutal to watch.
Whatever Dublin are playing is no better
Don't think that's true. Dubs are playing decent positive football. But shooting has been atrocious, so Derry deserve their 2 point lead.
Quote from: Sportacus on April 02, 2023, 02:24:27 PM
Boring. Derry won the ball back on about ten minutes and Dublin were committed up the field. Conor Glass turned and passed it back, slowed it down deliberately. Over coached. Will never get past an All Ireland semifinal.
Slabber
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 02, 2023, 02:34:11 PM
Been a few goal chances alright but fairly wild finishing. Either blasted over the bar or straight at the keeper.
Some of the attempted finishing from inter-county playrs is brutal.
Panic when one -on-one.
The finish from the Fermanagh No. 14 last night was excellent, turned back onto his right and sidefooted it into the bottom corner. Class finish.
Quote from: Hound on April 02, 2023, 02:34:29 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 02, 2023, 02:31:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 02, 2023, 02:19:15 PM
Dublin look like a spent force to me. They've won it all and are still soldiering with a lot of the same players so you can only assume that there is very little coming through.
Dessie Farrell managed their underage teams but doesn't seem to keen in bringing many new players through. Come championship he'll probably have Costello,McCaffrey,Mannion,Cluxton,Horward starting.
You can't magic players out of thin air. The ones on the panel are the best available.
We expect to get a fair few of the current u20s in the senior team in the next couple of years. We haven't been able to say that about an U20/U21 team in a long time (including the team who got to a final a few years ago)
What about that lad Archer? Was he not tipped to be the next big thing!
Quote from: Gael85 on April 02, 2023, 02:38:25 PM
Expect to win this well. Dublin struggling against the blanket.
Painful stuff, in fairness.
Turn off the sound and watch this and you'd be confused as to what's going on. Really sad match so far.
Quote from: Hound on April 02, 2023, 02:34:29 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 02, 2023, 02:31:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 02, 2023, 02:19:15 PM
Dublin look like a spent force to me. They’ve won it all and are still soldiering with a lot of the same players so you can only assume that there is very little coming through.
Dessie Farrell managed their underage teams but doesn't seem to keen in bringing many new players through. Come championship he'll probably have Costello,McCaffrey,Mannion,Cluxton,Horward starting.
You can’t magic players out of thin air. The ones on the panel are the best available.
We expect to get a fair few of the current u20s in the senior team in the next couple of years. We haven’t been able to say that about an U20/U21 team in a long time (including the team who got to a final a few years ago)
Dublin reached U20 All Ireland finals in 2019 and 2020 more from those teams should be established senior players right now. Why are you then expecting a fair few from the current U20s, a different senior manager that will give them more of chance?
I think glass is maybe going to come off here too. Double whammy
Dublin goal from O'Gara ideal start to the 2nd half. Could the Derry defence and keeper have done better there? Conor Glass going off injured a big blow to Derry.
That's a huge blow hopefully it's not too serious.
Could be a struggle for us to win from here.
Maybe rushing players back in after an intensive all ireland club campaign wasn't the brightest of ideas
Jesus how could you put up with thon p***k constantly shouting at ye what to do on the field. Let them play ffs
Penalty for Dublin for a foot block, no?
It's actually one of the better games Ive watched recently which probably says more for the modern game. Plenty of goal chances and lots of mistakes.
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 02, 2023, 02:51:42 PM
Penalty for Dublin for a foot block, no?
Nope ball wasnt kicked from the hand
I was thinking Dublin must REALLY be desperate if Eoghan O'Gara has been brought back, but I see that's Killian!
I'm assuming it's a brother?
Image of him!
Dublin 2nd goal from a penalty. 2-5 to 0-8 49 minutes played.
Wasn't much force in that tackle that sent Con tumbling.
Well this is worrying!!
2 goals gifted to the Dubs by the ref, soft pen and a square ball
The worst Derry have defended for a few years. Three goals conceded could be six. Looking like Tyrone's Ulster title to lose.
Derry will be needing to shore up that full back line. That 19 should be off.
Con needs to be inside. Serious handful.
Ref bottled that 2nd yellow for Lahiff.
Derry looking distinctly average, powder puff up front and surprisingly very porous in defence.
Goals win matches
Quote from: J70 on April 02, 2023, 02:53:23 PM
I was thinking Dublin must REALLY be desperate if Eoghan O'Gara has been brought back, but I see that's Killian!
I'm assuming it's a brother?
Image of him!
Yep, younger bro.
What a miss.
Quote from: Brendan on April 02, 2023, 02:58:38 PM
2 goals gifted to the Dubs by the ref, soft pen and a square ball
Don't think it was. When the ball was kicked, you can move into rectangle.
This was coming from 1 st half. Dublin should have had a couple of goals.
Best thing for Derry to keep head down and not get a hammering. Especially after the semi-final last year.
Dublin are still one of the best teams about though. Mccloskey getting a lesson from O'Callaghan.
There won't be many , if any , teams beat Dublin and Derry will learn from this. They're not ai winning material but only a few are.
Dublin have had 7 clear cut goal chances in this match. Lucky for Derry they've only taken 3. Con O'Csllaghan causing all sorts of trouble this half.
Let off for Derry there, should be a 4th goal. 55 minutes played just 4 points in it.
Was the proverbial harder to miss than score.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 02, 2023, 02:36:52 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on April 02, 2023, 02:24:27 PM
Boring. Derry won the ball back on about ten minutes and Dublin were committed up the field. Conor Glass turned and passed it back, slowed it down deliberately. Over coached. Will never get past an All Ireland semifinal.
Slabber
Didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Chickens coming home to roost now though.
Quote from: marty34 on April 02, 2023, 03:03:15 PM
Quote from: Brendan on April 02, 2023, 02:58:38 PM
2 goals gifted to the Dubs by the ref, soft pen and a square ball
Don't think it was. When the ball was kicked, you can move into rectangle.
This was coming from 1 st half. Dublin should have had a couple of goals.
Best thing for Derry to keep head down and not get a hammering. Especially after the semi-final last year.
Con ran in after the kick, O'Gara got the last touch and he was already in the square
When he kicked it ogara was in the square. Ogara scored the goal not ocallaghan
That wee fella needs moved off o callaghan. Getting hung out to dry
Yep was about to say that. Struggling. Surely McKaigue could mark him.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 02, 2023, 03:09:01 PM
Yep was about to say that. Struggling. Surely McKaigue could mark him.
Yeah, Mc Kaigue would do a job on him.
Every other county in Ulster will be re-evaluating Derry after today. They've run out of ideas since early second half and haven't coped well with the loss of Glass.
I take it all back, this is hard to watch.
This has the feel of derry v galway last year. Get you're nose in front of them and there's no plan b
The game was lost since Glass went off. As has been said if we can avoid a hammering we'd take it and try to focus on Championship.
Thought Rogers and Doherty have been very poor given how important they are to how we attack they haven't really broken the line at all. McKinless tried a couple of times in the first half.
There goes that dream 😂😂😂
Derry deserved that.
You're losing by 5 with 5 mins to go and you still play 14 men behind the ball. Pure dross
Some finish that if he meant it.. That should be it. 4-6 to 0-10.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 02, 2023, 03:13:54 PM
Every other county in Ulster will be re-evaluating Derry after today. They've run out of ideas since early second half and haven't coped well with the loss of Glass.
Different standard though is the only thing.
They are not a whole lot different from last year really. Unlikely anyone but Tyrone would beat them still I think.
Game has descended into a ball retention training session for Dublin.
Dubs could have 5 or 6 goals. Derry defence is very open.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 02, 2023, 03:16:12 PM
Some finish that if he meant it.. That should be it. 4-6 to 0-10.
Looked like a mis hit shot for a point given the lack of pace on the shot.
Ulster really is wide open!
Quote from: yellowcard on April 02, 2023, 03:13:54 PM
Every other county in Ulster will be re-evaluating Derry after today. They've run out of ideas since early second half and haven't coped well with the loss of Glass.
The Derry system doesn't seem to work as well when they are having to chase a game.
Also you would think the Dublin's tendency to score goals and create goal scoring chances is a fair bit higher than a lot of other teams.
I wouldn't be surprised if Dublin got more goal chances today that Derry will give up in the whole of the Ulster championship.
I'd still give Derry a serious chance of winning Ulster.
Dublin's tackling is cynical and bordeing on assault.
Quote from: Brendan on April 02, 2023, 03:04:57 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 02, 2023, 03:03:15 PM
Quote from: Brendan on April 02, 2023, 02:58:38 PM
2 goals gifted to the Dubs by the ref, soft pen and a square ball
Don't think it was. When the ball was kicked, you can move into rectangle.
This was coming from 1 st half. Dublin should have had a couple of goals.
Best thing for Derry to keep head down and not get a hammering. Especially after the semi-final last year.
Con ran in after the kick, O'Gara got the last touch and he was already in the square
If so, doesn't matter.
Dubs upped their game and took their chances. Could have had a heap of goals.
The thing is, if you said beforehand that Dublin would score 6 pts (probably a few frees in that) Gallagher would be delighted with that.
A week's time or so, this'll be forgot about as the championship kicks in.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 02, 2023, 03:18:56 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 02, 2023, 03:13:54 PM
Every other county in Ulster will be re-evaluating Derry after today. They've run out of ideas since early second half and haven't coped well with the loss of Glass.
The Derry system doesn't seem to work as well when they are having to chase a game.
Also you would think the Dublin's tendency to score goals and create goal scoring chances is a fair bit higher than a lot of other teams.
I wouldn't be surprised if Dublin got more goal chances today that Derry will give up in the whole of the Ulster championship.
I'd still give Derry a serious chance of winning Ulster.
They're a very good team. They don't have enough depth if they lose a key player like glass and Dublin are just better. Dublin are better than almost any team in the country though.
Gallagher out! :P
Strange game. Dubs have only scored 6 points and are 7 points up.
Not sure they've even been all that great but Derry defence was all over the shop without McKaigue.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 02, 2023, 03:16:16 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 02, 2023, 03:13:54 PM
Every other county in Ulster will be re-evaluating Derry after today. They've run out of ideas since early second half and haven't coped well with the loss of Glass.
Different standard though is the only thing.
They are not a whole lot different from last year really. Unlikely anyone but Tyrone would beat them still I think.
Yes in fairness the Dubs went up a gear in the second half but they're still a team in decline and I thought Derry looked very poor today. I think there's 4 or 5 teams could beat them on that display, they've very little scoring power outside McGuigan and were badly exposed at the back today. It was a 7 point defeat but really could have been 14 in the end.
Quote from: marty34 on April 02, 2023, 03:21:03 PM
Quote from: Brendan on April 02, 2023, 03:04:57 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 02, 2023, 03:03:15 PM
Quote from: Brendan on April 02, 2023, 02:58:38 PM
2 goals gifted to the Dubs by the ref, soft pen and a square ball
Don't think it was. When the ball was kicked, you can move into rectangle.
This was coming from 1 st half. Dublin should have had a couple of goals.
Best thing for Derry to keep head down and not get a hammering. Especially after the semi-final last year.
Con ran in after the kick, O'Gara got the last touch and he was already in the square
If so, doesn't matter.
Dubs upped their game and took their chances. Could have had a heap of goals.
The thing is, if you said beforehand that Dublin would score 6 pts (probably a few frees in that) Gallagher would be delighted with that.
A week's time or so, this'll be forgot about as the championship kicks in.
I'd say the big worry is how Derry's attack performed - made the Dub defence look like world-beaters
FT Dublin 4-6 Derry 0-11. The Dubs haven't gone away. Back to drawing board for Derry as if they defend like that in the championship it will be early exit for them.
Derrys fitness didn't seem to be as good as it was last year. Seemed out on their feet after 10/15 of the second half
Referee Liam Deveaney getting a tough time there.
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 02, 2023, 03:20:10 PM
Dublin's tackling is cynical and bordeing on assault.
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The GAA should insist on Rory Gallagher wearing a mask on the sideline. That constant spitting would put you off your dinner .
I think Croke Park has a huge bearing on these games.
A huge difference in playing Dublin in Celtic Park compared to Croke Park.
Plus it's home to the Dubs. A huge advantage in that alone.
Quote from: marty34 on April 02, 2023, 03:29:35 PM
I think Croke Park has a huge bearing on these games.
A huge difference in playing Dublin in Celtic Park compared to Croke Park.
Plus it's home to the Dubs. A huge advantage in that alone.
Nope, Parnell Park is the Dubs' home ground ;)
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 02, 2023, 03:24:11 PM
FT Dublin 4-6 Derry 0-11. The Dubs haven't gone away. Back to drawing board for Derry as if they defend like that in the championship it will be early exit for them.
Ten Scores in 70 minutes. A soft penalty and a flukey Goal. They still have a lot of work to do. As usual they will be hard beat at home!
I wouldn't be overly worried about the defense. McKaigue and McEvoy to come back in. If we don't have them this year we won't win anything anyway.
Had hoped to see something a bit different tried going forward as we had nothing to lose today but I'm not sure we have it in us yet.
Injuries more than the result the biggest worry after that! Could be few men missing against Fermanagh
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 02, 2023, 03:24:11 PM
FT Dublin 4-6 Derry 0-11. The Dubs haven't gone away. Back to drawing board for Derry as if they defend like that in the championship it will be early exit for them.
Funny one for the Dubs. 0-4 in the first half, 4-2 in the second half. A low number of scores on a perfect day for shooting, and I think two of the goals came from missed point attempts.
Happy enough with the display apart from the shooting, which is obviously a critically important aspect of the game. Shooting like that against the decent teams in the championship would spell certain defeat
Derry need to develop a kicking game. Apart from Glass who can execute an incisive kick pass, they wear themselves out on a big pitch like Croke Park in how they move the ball and that will leave them struggling against top 4 teams. That said, has been a good year for Derry and they will hold their own in Div 1, and indeed would have this year too. Con will be a handful for any defence in that kind of form but Dublin like Kerry in this moment have huge room for improvement.
Quote from: weareros on April 02, 2023, 03:40:34 PM
Derry need to develop a kicking game. Apart from Glass who can execute an incisive kick pass, they wear themselves out on a big pitch like Croke Park in how they move the ball and that will leave them struggling against top 4 teams. That said, has been a good year for Derry and they will hold their own in Div 1, and indeed would have this year too. Con will be a handful for any defence in that kind of form but Dublin like Kerry in this moment have huge room for improvement.
Today, Dublin kicked the ball twice as much as Derry.
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 02, 2023, 03:29:14 PM
The GAA should insist on Rory Gallagher wearing a mask on the sideline. That constant spitting would put you off your dinner .
On fairness to him I seen him wipe his nose on his sleeves today so it wasn't constant spitting
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 02, 2023, 03:16:01 PM
Derry deserved that.
You're losing by 5 with 5 mins to go and you still play 14 men behind the ball. Pure dross
Inexplicable, but many teams seem to do it, even in injury time. If you're behind, you have to go and get the ball.
Dubs should have had another 3/4 goals
Should have won by about 10-12 points
Derry one way to play & that's it
Quote from: sam03/05 on April 02, 2023, 04:02:43 PM
Dubs should have had another 3/4 goals
Should have won by about 10-12 points
Derry one way to play & that's it
We'll see how that goes in the Ulster Semi
Derrys reluctance to kick the ball is killing them. Solo solo solo turnback. Might win ulster but won't count in Croke Park. Gallagher has learnt little from last year. Look at Dublin 3 kicks and the balls on the net.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 02, 2023, 04:08:30 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on April 02, 2023, 04:02:43 PM
Dubs should have had another 3/4 goals
Should have won by about 10-12 points
Derry one way to play & that's it
We'll see how that goes in the Ulster Semi
Monaghan v fermanagh will be a decent game
Dublin could have easily scored 6 or 7 goals. Gallagher has and always be a one trick pony. Well drilled side but game plan based around getting a new early lead and keeping it.
The goal keeper will l get caught out come championship with all his run forwards.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 02, 2023, 04:08:30 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on April 02, 2023, 04:02:43 PM
Dubs should have had another 3/4 goals
Should have won by about 10-12 points
Derry one way to play & that's it
We'll see how that goes in the Ulster Semi
You're a bit rattled Walter. T'is only the league.
It's only the league. Division 2 final. Derry won the more important match in celtic Park.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on April 02, 2023, 03:24:11 PM
FT Dublin 4-6 Derry 0-11. The Dubs haven't gone away. Back to drawing board for Derry as if they defend like that in the championship it will be early exit for them.
Ten Scores in 70 minutes. A soft penalty and a flukey Goal. They still have a lot of work to do. As usual they will be hard beat at home!
10 scores from 22 shots on goal. Certainly have plenty to work on and up against a very loose Derry defence today.
Home advantage is significant, but that's the way it is
Dublin deserved winners.
Derry will win nothing so long as Lynch is their keeper
Quote from: sam03/05 on April 02, 2023, 05:34:39 PM
Derry will win nothing so long as Lynch is their keeper
Strange thing is when the Dublin lad had fisted the ball against the post (easier to score it must be said), he was turning away looking for the ball for the next kick-out. I thought it was a bit stranga. Needs to concentrate a bit more.
He does a good jman at killing space out the field on opposition kick outs butwill get exposed in and around his box - i.e. the fisted goal. He was very static.
Wake up for Derry and plenty to work on in the next few weeks. The panel seems light enough. I said that a while ago. Gallagher hasn't used enough panel members in the league. In fairness, I understand thst to a certain extent as he wanted his best players to get promoted. Therefore, he had to go strong in all of the games.
With that, he doesn't get to try many new players and that was seen today with no Mc Kaigue and then Glass got injured. Players coming in made no impact.
There's bound to be 3 or 4 'seasoned' players in the county who could do a job for him.
Quote from: sam03/05 on April 02, 2023, 05:34:39 PM
Derry will win nothing so long as Lynch is their keeper
Won ulster with him and got to an AI semi last year.
Missing 2 out of 3 in the full back line today and it showed.
U20s players are a key part of this team.
Derry look like they've just put in a serious week of training so I wouldn't be too concerned about the goals going in.
We dominated first half and should prob have had 2 goals and a penalty for a foot block.
Second half, Dublin goals were the difference and they could have had more. Though the first one was definitely a square ball.
Biggest concern now is injuries.
Lot of nonsense talked about derrys game not working on the wide open croke Park pitch. Owenbeag dime signs are the exact same as croke pitch and the game works there ok.
This game was all about putting in a performance and we got that in the first half.
Losing glass was huge.
Couple of refereeing decisions at key moments didn't help us, but Dublin deserved the result.
I don't think they are world beaters though.
Lynch didn't have the usual protection but he still did well with a couple of good saves, good kickouts and did well out the field.
I'd say Gallagher is reasonably content.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 02, 2023, 02:19:15 PM
Dublin look like a spent force to me. They've won it all and are still soldiering with a lot of the same players so you can only assume that there is very little coming through.
Lots of players relatively new to the scene this season/last season. O'Gara, O'Hanlon, Gannon, Newcombe. O'Dell and Lahiff only a few seasons in too.
The problem isn't bringing in new players that perform fairly well, it's that they (unsurprisingly) aren't quite up to the standard of player Dublin have had the past decade.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 02, 2023, 06:01:15 PM
Missing 2 out of 3 in the full back line today and it showed.
U20s players are a key part of this team.
Derry look like they've just put in a serious week of training so I wouldn't be too concerned about the goals going in.
We dominated first half and should prob have had 2 goals and a penalty for a foot block.
Second half, Dublin goals were the difference and they could have had more. Though the first one was definitely a square ball.
Biggest concern now is injuries.
Lot of nonsense talked about derrys game not working on the wide open croke Park pitch. Owenbeag dime signs are the exact same as croke pitch and the game works there ok.
This game was all about putting in a performance and we got that in the first half.
Losing glass was huge.
Couple of refereeing decisions at key moments didn't help us, but Dublin deserved the result.
I don't think they are world beaters though.
Lynch didn't have the usual protection but he still did well with a couple of good saves, good kickouts and did well out the field.
I'd say Gallagher is reasonably content.
Funny, in the two games at Croke Park, they've been badly beaten.
Explain that.
Plus I'd say Gallagher will not be "reasonably content". He would have wanted to beat Dublin especially in Croke Park.
It's the pitch clearly... nothing to do with playing good teams 🙄
Quote from: marty34 on April 02, 2023, 06:17:19 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 02, 2023, 06:01:15 PM
Missing 2 out of 3 in the full back line today and it showed.
U20s players are a key part of this team.
Derry look like they've just put in a serious week of training so I wouldn't be too concerned about the goals going in.
We dominated first half and should prob have had 2 goals and a penalty for a foot block.
Second half, Dublin goals were the difference and they could have had more. Though the first one was definitely a square ball.
Biggest concern now is injuries.
Lot of nonsense talked about derrys game not working on the wide open croke Park pitch. Owenbeag dime signs are the exact same as croke pitch and the game works there ok.
This game was all about putting in a performance and we got that in the first half.
Losing glass was huge.
Couple of refereeing decisions at key moments didn't help us, but Dublin deserved the result.
I don't think they are world beaters though.
Lynch didn't have the usual protection but he still did well with a couple of good saves, good kickouts and did well out the field.
I'd say Gallagher is reasonably content.
Funny, in the two games at Croke Park, they've been badly beaten.
Explain that.
Plus I'd say Gallagher will not be "reasonably content". He would have wanted to beat Dublin especially in Croke Park.
Well there were 3 games in croke over last season and this season.
We beat Clare, a team we're probably better than.
We got beat by Galway and Dublin. Dublin full of all Ireland winners and Galway who won div 2 last year. So both arguably better teams than us.
What's that got to do with a pitch.
Utter nonsense.
Not sure about the pitch excuse. Derry was dreadful defensively and area of the team they pride themselves in. A system meltdown that can be fixed before the championship starts?
derry really lacked leadership when glass went off. that has to be a worry for them. no one stood up and took the reins and in fact, they played like they were down to 14 at times in that second half.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 02, 2023, 07:36:25 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 02, 2023, 06:17:19 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 02, 2023, 06:01:15 PM
Missing 2 out of 3 in the full back line today and it showed.
U20s players are a key part of this team.
Derry look like they've just put in a serious week of training so I wouldn't be too concerned about the goals going in.
We dominated first half and should prob have had 2 goals and a penalty for a foot block.
Second half, Dublin goals were the difference and they could have had more. Though the first one was definitely a square ball.
Biggest concern now is injuries.
Lot of nonsense talked about derrys game not working on the wide open croke Park pitch. Owenbeag dime signs are the exact same as croke pitch and the game works there ok.
This game was all about putting in a performance and we got that in the first half.
Losing glass was huge.
Couple of refereeing decisions at key moments didn't help us, but Dublin deserved the result.
I don't think they are world beaters though.
Lynch didn't have the usual protection but he still did well with a couple of good saves, good kickouts and did well out the field.
I'd say Gallagher is reasonably content.
Funny, in the two games at Croke Park, they've been badly beaten.
Explain that.
Plus I'd say Gallagher will not be "reasonably content". He would have wanted to beat Dublin especially in Croke Park.
Well there were 3 games in croke over last season and this season.
We beat Clare, a team we're probably better than.
We got beat by Galway and Dublin. Dublin full of all Ireland winners and Galway who won div 2 last year. So both arguably better teams than us.
What's that got to do with a pitch.
Utter nonsense.
My point being that V Galway and Dublin that Derry were well in the game but run out of steam on the big CP pitch.
Clare, are, well, Clare. Big games v Galway and Dublin have exposed Derry a bit in many ways.
Well in game at half-time but get opposition put the foot down in 2 nd half. Compare Croke Park with Ardee or Celtic Park. No issues there.
As I stated, need a bigger panel. Injuries today with Mc Kaigue and Glass has exposed a lack of depth.
I always find it strange that lads are in changing rooms for 15/20 mins and come straight out and start the game. Only time I see a team do any sort of movement is if they're out waiting for the other team to come out.
Plenty to work on and Gallagher knows that. Not a bad place to be.
Derry were very poor in attack, so was surprised to see a stat flashed up on the big screen late on in the second half -
Scoring chances created:
Dublin 20
Derry 19
Think the forwards were blocked down at least 4 times in the that game, going for shots that obviously going to be blocked. I'd be surprised if they'd that many in their previous 7 games combined.
McCarron got the curly finger before half time, but anyone of the front 6 (bar McGuigan) could've gone at that stage.
Defensive were caught with a few simple mistakes. No McKaigue or McEvoy in the FB line really unsettled the side.
Was sure the goal was square ball but would have to see it again, still expect Lynch to clear everything out there. Penalty appeared to be soft enough, but seen them given, thought Loughlin might have had one at the other end, but again need to see them back.
Lahiff was taken off before he was sent off, not sure how he made it as long as he did.
Derry achieved their league goal this year of promotion. Disappointing end to the campaign, but we need the injuries to clear up before the C'Ship in two weeks.
Quote from: marty34 on April 02, 2023, 08:32:44 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 02, 2023, 07:36:25 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 02, 2023, 06:17:19 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 02, 2023, 06:01:15 PM
Missing 2 out of 3 in the full back line today and it showed.
U20s players are a key part of this team.
Derry look like they've just put in a serious week of training so I wouldn't be too concerned about the goals going in.
We dominated first half and should prob have had 2 goals and a penalty for a foot block.
Second half, Dublin goals were the difference and they could have had more. Though the first one was definitely a square ball.
Biggest concern now is injuries.
Lot of nonsense talked about derrys game not working on the wide open croke Park pitch. Owenbeag dime signs are the exact same as croke pitch and the game works there ok.
This game was all about putting in a performance and we got that in the first half.
Losing glass was huge.
Couple of refereeing decisions at key moments didn't help us, but Dublin deserved the result.
I don't think they are world beaters though.
Lynch didn't have the usual protection but he still did well with a couple of good saves, good kickouts and did well out the field.
I'd say Gallagher is reasonably content.
Funny, in the two games at Croke Park, they've been badly beaten.
Explain that.
Plus I'd say Gallagher will not be "reasonably content". He would have wanted to beat Dublin especially in Croke Park.
Well there were 3 games in croke over last season and this season.
We beat Clare, a team we're probably better than.
We got beat by Galway and Dublin. Dublin full of all Ireland winners and Galway who won div 2 last year. So both arguably better teams than us.
What's that got to do with a pitch.
Utter nonsense.
My point being that V Galway and Dublin that Derry were well in the game but run out of steam on the big CP pitch.
Clare, are, well, Clare. Big games v Galway and Dublin have exposed Derry a bit in many ways.
Well in game at half-time but get opposition put the foot down in 2 nd half. Compare Croke Park with Ardee or Celtic Park. No issues there.
As I stated, need a bigger panel. Injuries today with Mc Kaigue and Glass has exposed a lack of depth.
I always find it strange that lads are in changing rooms for 15/20 mins and come straight out and start the game. Only time I see a team do any sort of movement is if they're out waiting for the other team to come out.
Plenty to work on and Gallagher knows that. Not a bad place to be.
Last year against Galway fitness was a factor.
I don't think think it is now.
I think this match was just another game and one not very high up the priority list and so the team trained hard this week after having a week off.
They looked tired from 10 15 mins into the first half.
Then the u20s played during the week.
Mckaigue injured, glass injured, a reshuffled full back line and a couple of dodgy decisions in the first half.
We still restricted Dublin to 6 points.
And should have had a couple of goals of our own.
But Dublin deserved the win. I just think there were mitigating factors today.
Gallagher is prepping for championship, not a div2 final. The single biggest concern from today is injuries.
Glass, mcgrogan both off injured. Etha doherty must have had some type of injury too.
Derry this year have progressed from last year.
The game today didn't demonstrate that for the reasons above imo.
But we are an entirely more unpredictable attacking force than last year partly due to Rogers moving to mf.
We didn't have mcwiliams come on today either and both downeys who came on haven't played much football either.
Yes the goals were disappointing, but I still believe we'll really challenge ulster and be around at the business end of the season.
Eventually Gallaghers reluctance to trust his panel came home to roost in massive style today. Putting boys into do a mans job. Declean Cassidy has to b considering why. Only two forwards worth their salt was McGuigan and Cassidy, was he whb due to injuries in the fb line
Ethan doc was played at LHB according to Cahair okane. I didn't notice it from the telly. Another reshuffle which hampered our attack.
Look not a great day at the office but hopefully injuries aren't serious and we'll be competitive in Ulster and AI series. McFaul joining panel tomorrow. Huge addition.
On a sidenote Paul Cassidy is developing into a superb footballer. For a lad who was a FF scoring machine at underage he's really added so many strings to his bow! Fair play
Thought there wasn't much quality on show with only the seasoned players from Dublin providing some odd moments. It seems Derry can be shut down when teams do their homework. Think they will prob win Ulster but looks unlikely they can win Sam. They will need all their players fit and Mcfaul back in and in the forward line
I thought Paul Cassidy showed poor judgement today, shooting from low percentage positions. He appears to have the talent and I'm sure he'll improve.
I'm not too sure McFaul will be a success. Unlikely to pick up his form after a long time out and might unsettle the team. Famous last words maybe.
Cassidy had a couple of very good scores but yes made a few poor decisions.
But, I'd give him credit for trying to show leadership and make something happen.
I wouldn't be too sore on him after today. He was one of our better players.
Derry found out for the second time when they hit croke park against a well drilled team.
The ulster championship just got real interesting and all of a sudden Derry are no world beaters. Tyrone and Monaghan will be lapping that result up yesterday, Derry could have been beaten by a cricket score
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on April 03, 2023, 05:48:22 AM
Derry found out for the second time when they hit croke park against a well drilled team.
The ulster championship just got real interesting and all of a sudden Derry are no world beaters. Tyrone and Monaghan will be lapping that result up yesterday, Derry could have been beaten by a cricket score
A lot of people waiting 9 months for Derry to lose a game to say we have been found out, overated, can't do it in Croke park etc. We've came from Div 4 in a few years, are ulster champions, are in D1, that's more than enough for most Derry fans. We didn't think we were going to win the All ireland and we aren't quite at the level of the top 4 teams yet but if things go right we are capable of beating them in a one off game. A lot didn't go right yesterday (square ball goal, McKaigue injury, missed goal chances in 1st half when we were on top, Glass injury, soft penalty, goal where they went for a point) and we lost, it's not the end of the world. Outside the top 4 I think we are better than the other sides with a full team but there isn't much between us Tyrone and Armagh.
Hoping McFaul can make a big impact if he can get up to speed, before last year i thought he was the best player in the county.
Quote from: Mario on April 03, 2023, 08:48:48 AM
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on April 03, 2023, 05:48:22 AM
Derry found out for the second time when they hit croke park against a well drilled team.
The ulster championship just got real interesting and all of a sudden Derry are no world beaters. Tyrone and Monaghan will be lapping that result up yesterday, Derry could have been beaten by a cricket score
A lot of people waiting 9 months for Derry to lose a game to say we have been found out, overated, can't do it in Croke park etc. We've came from Div 4 in a few years, are ulster champions, are in D1, that's more than enough for most Derry fans. We didn't think we were going to win the All ireland and we aren't quite at the level of the top 4 teams yet but if things go right we are capable of beating them in a one off game. A lot didn't go right yesterday (square ball goal, McKaigue injury, missed goal chances in 1st half when we were on top, Glass injury, soft penalty, goal where they went for a point) and we lost, it's not the end of the world. Outside the top 4 I think we are better than the other sides with a full team but there isn't much between us Tyrone and Armagh.
Hoping McFaul can make a big impact if he can get up to speed, before last year i thought he was the best player in the county.
At last a bit of sense.
Quote from: Mario on April 03, 2023, 08:48:48 AM
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on April 03, 2023, 05:48:22 AM
Derry found out for the second time when they hit croke park against a well drilled team.
The ulster championship just got real interesting and all of a sudden Derry are no world beaters. Tyrone and Monaghan will be lapping that result up yesterday, Derry could have been beaten by a cricket score
A lot of people waiting 9 months for Derry to lose a game to say we have been found out, overated, can't do it in Croke park etc. We've came from Div 4 in a few years, are ulster champions, are in D1, that's more than enough for most Derry fans. We didn't think we were going to win the All ireland and we aren't quite at the level of the top 4 teams yet but if things go right we are capable of beating them in a one off game. A lot didn't go right yesterday (square ball goal, McKaigue injury, missed goal chances in 1st half when we were on top, Glass injury, soft penalty, goal where they went for a point) and we lost, it's not the end of the world. Outside the top 4 I think we are better than the other sides with a full team but there isn't much between us Tyrone and Armagh.
Hoping McFaul can make a big impact if he can get up to speed, before last year i thought he was the best player in the county.
Finally someone with a bit of perspective on things. I think that statement more than sums it up for Derry people. Yes, it wasn't a great day in HQ but we'll not lose much sleep over it. Others might by the looks of things.
Quote from: Mario on April 03, 2023, 08:48:48 AM
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on April 03, 2023, 05:48:22 AM
Derry found out for the second time when they hit croke park against a well drilled team.
The ulster championship just got real interesting and all of a sudden Derry are no world beaters. Tyrone and Monaghan will be lapping that result up yesterday, Derry could have been beaten by a cricket score
A lot of people waiting 9 months for Derry to lose a game to say we have been found out, overated, can't do it in Croke park etc. We've came from Div 4 in a few years, are ulster champions, are in D1, that's more than enough for most Derry fans. We didn't think we were going to win the All ireland and we aren't quite at the level of the top 4 teams yet but if things go right we are capable of beating them in a one off game. A lot didn't go right yesterday (square ball goal, McKaigue injury, missed goal chances in 1st half when we were on top, Glass injury, soft penalty, goal where they went for a point) and we lost, it's not the end of the world. Outside the top 4 I think we are better than the other sides with a full team but there isn't much between us Tyrone and Armagh.
Hoping McFaul can make a big impact if he can get up to speed, before last year i thought he was the best player in the county.
Bang on there.
I'd have us as a top 5 team where on any given day we
could beat any of the top teams.
That's serious progress for us given where we have come from.
Of course I'm disappointed in the manner of goals conceded yesterday, but I'm not too disappointed about the result and I know we are better than what we showed yesterday.
For what it's worth, my pecking order at the moment would be Mayo, Kerry, Dublin, Galway, Derry, Tyrone/Armagh/Roscommon all on a par with Monaghan running them close.
McFaul will be a huge addition if he's anywhere close to the form he was in previously playing for Derry. Hard to know what level he'll be at though. I'd imagine he'll be a panel player this year who will provide depth and experience to MF and Forward departments. That can only be good.
Thinking about the way Gallagher operates, I'd say that this isn't just a decision that was made last week when McFaul arrived home. You would have to think that there was plenty of contact between them over the last few months with the view that McFaul would rejoin when he arrived back.
If you were training all winter and now McFaul comes in and gets game time you'd not be too happy I'd have thought.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 03, 2023, 10:19:20 AM
If you were training all winter and now McFaul comes in and gets game time you'd not be too happy I'd have thought.
Possibly.
Glass returned mid season I think after Oz.
Cluxton in Dublin similar position.
That's just part of what management have to decide on. Weigh up the pro's and con's and try to decide what is best for the panel.
I think Gallagher is a strong enough character to be able to tell McFaul where he'll be at on the panel but also to address concerns for others. He's already proven to be ruthless with his panel selection and I'd imagine this will be no different.
I think he's definitely straying towards the wrong side of keeping panel members happy though and this is another challenge for him.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 03, 2023, 10:19:20 AM
If you were training all winter and now McFaul comes in and gets game time you'd not be too happy I'd have thought.
McFaul had to surrender his passport
Derry don't have much depth in their panel. I would be more worried about that if I were a fan.
Quote from: seafoid on April 03, 2023, 10:52:04 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 03, 2023, 10:19:20 AM
If you were training all winter and now McFaul comes in and gets game time you'd not be too happy I'd have thought.
McFaul had to surrender his passport
Derry don't have much depth in their panel. I would be more worried about that if I were a fan.
We have McKaigue, McEvoy, McWilliams and McFaul to come in from yesterday and Glass missed half the game. I think most realize where we are. We aren't expecting all the U20's to come in and set the world alight straight away but we're better having them than a few other players who aren't up to it. Overwhelming majority of the county who are good/willing enough are in the squad. I'd possibly get on the phone to Emmett Bradley again too but apart from that we know where we are. We've come a long way but are possibly a bit behind the top 4 or so counties, no shame in that.
Yeah it's very much being overegged. Derry still a good team and not many, if any, in ulster will beat them. They aren't quite the level of Kerry / Dublin etc but they were in division 4 not all that long ago so have come a very long way.
You can't expect a lad to come in at this stage and be in the condition required to play top level inter county football so I wouldn't be expecting McFaul to make much of an impact for Derry this summer and even more so in his case where he has played no football in 15 months. But there is no doubting a fully fit McFaul would be a huge addition and he would provide much needed leadership as well. But their main problems are still in the forward division, they simply don't have enough quality around McGuigan to kick enough scores to compete to win an AI title. If they aren't score goals they arent' racking up the 15/16 points per game minimum required to win most championship games.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 03, 2023, 11:07:15 AM
Yeah it's very much being overegged. Derry still a good team and not many, if any, in ulster will beat them. They aren't quite the level of Kerry / Dublin etc but they were in division 4 not all that long ago so have come a very long way.
They should be looking to make hay tho. I didn't think Tyrone were in a position to challenge Dublin/ Mayo/ Kerry in 2021, but we know what happened. They had a good squad but lacked consistency. But it all came good at the right time, as the likes of Dublin, Kerry dipped a bit. I think that's still the case, in that there's no Dublin juggernaut or equivalent on the scene at the minute. So there's no reason why Derry shouldn't be eyeing up the AI. I would also suggest there's prob limited years in Gallagher's approach and I'd expect a drop when he leaves. He's been Fantastic in squeezing out the best from that squad. Not sure he'll be able to continue that for much more than another 2-3 years. So now's the time. Especially as I think counties are still in a bit of unrest with the shortened season, change of structures etc. It's getting harder for the big teams to time their peak with all the changes and that's partly why Tyrone won in 2021 imo.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on April 03, 2023, 11:07:15 AM
Yeah it's very much being overegged. Derry still a good team and not many, if any, in ulster will beat them. They aren't quite the level of Kerry / Dublin etc but they were in division 4 not all that long ago so have come a very long way.
They should be looking to make hay tho. I didn't think Tyrone were in a position to challenge Dublin/ Mayo/ Kerry in 2021, but we know what happened. They had a good squad but lacked consistency. But it all came good at the right time, as the likes of Dublin, Kerry dipped a bit. I think that's still the case, in that there's no Dublin juggernaut or equivalent on the scene at the minute. So there's no reason why Derry shouldn't be eyeing up the AI. I would also suggest there's prob limited years in Gallagher's approach and I'd expect a drop when he leaves. He's been Fantastic in squeezing out the best from that squad. Not sure he'll be able to continue that for much more than another 2-3 years. So now's the time. Especially as I think counties are still in a bit of unrest with the shortened season, change of structures etc. It's getting harder for the big teams to time their peak with all the changes and that's partly why Tyrone won in 2021 imo.
In actual fact this is where Dublin and Kerry have a huge advantage, they can time their peak to June time. While the Ulster and Connacht championship starts this weekend, Kerry are heading off on a 2 week training camp. That's not fair competition.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 03, 2023, 12:12:49 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 03, 2023, 11:21:12 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 03, 2023, 11:07:15 AM
Yeah it's very much being overegged. Derry still a good team and not many, if any, in ulster will beat them. They aren't quite the level of Kerry / Dublin etc but they were in division 4 not all that long ago so have come a very long way.
They should be looking to make hay tho. I didn't think Tyrone were in a position to challenge Dublin/ Mayo/ Kerry in 2021, but we know what happened. They had a good squad but lacked consistency. But it all came good at the right time, as the likes of Dublin, Kerry dipped a bit. I think that's still the case, in that there's no Dublin juggernaut or equivalent on the scene at the minute. So there's no reason why Derry shouldn't be eyeing up the AI. I would also suggest there's prob limited years in Gallagher's approach and I'd expect a drop when he leaves. He's been Fantastic in squeezing out the best from that squad. Not sure he'll be able to continue that for much more than another 2-3 years. So now's the time. Especially as I think counties are still in a bit of unrest with the shortened season, change of structures etc. It's getting harder for the big teams to time their peak with all the changes and that's partly why Tyrone won in 2021 imo.
In actual fact this is where Dublin and Kerry have a huge advantage, they can time their peak to June time. While the Ulster and Connacht championship starts this weekend, Kerry are heading off on a 2 week training camp. That's not fair competition.
The unfair provinces have been an issue for years. But they were a stable format year in year out which meant teams had perfected the timing of when to hit the purple patch. The last couple of years the timings are all different. It's that bit harder to plan. I've no doubt the Kerry and Dublin 's will get back into the swing with the new format soon which is why I think Derry should be focused for this year. I don't think they'll have a better chance.
That is more or less laughing in the face of things tbh. I think the provincials will be scrapped in time. Also the more I see of these robins the more I think they're crap.The super 8s were too.
If life gives you lemons.. :D
It's the same for strong clubs who'll win their championships easily. St Galls always used to time their peak and the likes of Kilcoo look like they do that now. I'm sure Cross and Corofin did too.
You do what you can get away with.
A game lost in the 2nd,half, Derry should been 5pts up at half time but kept taking the safe option. 2nd,Half fell away very badly 1st Goal was square ball but goalkeeper should took all with him, distracted by the other Dublin player. Penalty, need look at again, didn't think it was a penalty. Last goal, lad was going for a point. Different game once McAvoy and McKeigue in the full bck line as McKeigue didn't give O'Callaghan a kick in Celtic Park. McCloskey likes to go forward and does not suit on a stronger player. Big worry is Glass injured, McGrogan pulled up too. Gallagher got the binkers on to certain players and def favourites. D Cassidy and P NcNeill 2 lads who are fairly good, never get a chance. The panel thin for a reason Good players like J Doherty were let go, some players who drop of the panel previous Yr with no game time, are never asked bck the following year. E Bradley not returning etc. If your 2nd best forward of the bench still at school then you have a problem. Still think we be hard to beat and not worried about the goals, though keeper out the field not working, but it's the lack of scoring power Derry biggest concern. Still not where 3 or 4 of the top teams are.
Meaningless game, my hope was to avoid a hammering, not sure we did that thiough. But with 2 of the 3 fullbacks out, including the marshall of the defence we were up against it, let's hope the Glass injury gets time to heal. There's little to be gained by winning ulster this year, so don't even try.
I'd agree with comments about Gallagher not trusting the squad enough throughout the league - there were quite a few games where the result was decided by half time, but he still waited to late in the game before bringing lads on. When forced to play his hand v Dublin in Celtic park, the subs were a big factor.
I do think they've a lot more in them than last year, we've seen a lot more potential up front this year imo, Doherty has been excellent, Murray has real potential and Cassidy has really blossomed. I also think there was never a chance Gallagher was going to show his hand yesterday and I'd be surprised if they haven't been doing a bit of work on plan b.
I can't see what good could come from bringing mcfaul back into the squad, there was plenty said when he left last year and his decision to leave would really have you questioning his commitment and leave other squad members questioning their own. It's a big negative for me.
I think bringing Mcfaul back into the squad is a mistake tbh. Gallagher doing what Tyrone have been doing and alienating subs. If you can't trust your subs in a lower division you are unlikely to trust them in a higher division.
Tyrone could turn out to be better than Derry. Derry have a thin spread of talent which is more like a club team. When Glass went off things fell apart the last day.
Hope you Derry wans enjoyed your day out....
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 03, 2023, 12:28:31 PM
It's the same for strong clubs who'll win their championships easily. St Galls always used to time their peak and the likes of Kilcoo look like they do that now. I'm sure Cross and Corofin did too.
You do what you can get away with.
Point of order Kilcoo only won a couple of games in Down after extra time and even penalties in one! Cross would have done that though for sure.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 04, 2023, 07:45:12 AM
I think bringing Mcfaul back into the squad is a mistake tbh. Gallagher doing what Tyrone have been doing and alienating subs. If you can't trust your subs in a lower division you are unlikely to trust them in a higher division.
I can see your point there.
I'm hoping that it's not that he doesn't trust those subs, its that he's trying to bring them on slowly to the be the mainstay of players in the coming years.
Last year Murray was on the panel, but never got a look in.
This year, he played his way through the mckenna cup and is probably one of the first subs and is at least in contention for a starting spot.
So softly softly approach maybe with the young lads?
McFaul is a risk, but I feel a risk worth taking provided he knows his place on the panel.
I wouldnt expect him to come into the starting lineup.
But 20 mins at the end? Bound to be an option for that.
Tbh the approach is probably more ok with younger ones assuming they are prepared to put the work in etc. More seasoned players on the bench all the time is probably not going to work as well.
Like someone said McFaul been out a long time so I'd expect McFaul to struggle to be at the pace of it. It's maybe a longer term plan for next year etc.
I don't think it's doom and gloom like some say here. You're still one of the best about but Gallagher needs to be wary with the panel stuff. I think like a lot would say Gallagher has a lifespan. That lifespan will be shorter with no squad but still a year or two in him yet I would say.
Thought I'll get in early with my predictions for this years Division 2 League.
1. Donegal
2. Cork
3. Armagh
4. Kildare
5. Cavan
6. Meath
7. Fermanagh
8. Louth
Cork gave only 3 games at home
So think they will be below Kildare and Armagh
Donegal
Kildare
Armagh
Meath
Cork
Cavan
Fermanagh
Louth
That's a tough league when you look at it and one or two close results going against you could really throw a spanner in your campaign. That being said, I would be disappointed if Armagh didnt finish in the top 2.
I'll be optimistic and go...
Armagh
Donegal
Cork
Kildare
Meath
Louth
Cavan
Fermanagh
Armagh
Donegal
Cork
Cavan
Kildare
Meath
Fermanagh
Louth
Armagh has 4 games at home and Fermanagh away should be manageable. Cork v Armagh in the last round might be relevant to promotion, Armagh would be wise to ensure that those points were not needed.
Armagh would want to avoid a prolonged stay in D2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09839DpTctU
Donegal
Cork
Kildare
Armagh
Meath
Cavan
Fermanagh
Louth
Quote from: armaghniac on January 09, 2024, 04:06:07 PMArmagh has 4 games at home and Fermanagh away should be manageable. Cork v Armagh in the last round might be relevant to promotion, Armagh would be wise to ensure that those points were not needed.
Wouldn't like to be going there needing a win. Hopefully get at least 5 wins before that!
1. Armagh
2. Kildare
3. Cork
4. Donegal
5. Meath
6. Louth
7. Cavan
8. Fermanagh
Quote from: seafoid on January 09, 2024, 04:38:01 PMArmagh would want to avoid a prolonged stay in D2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09839DpTctU
The last time Armagh got relegated from Div 1 was 2012 and it would take them nine years to return to the top division and in between dropped down to Div 3 for a few years. They certainly won't a repeat of that.
Watched Donegal against Tyrone. Jim has them flying off the turf this soon in the year. The week training in Tenerife is showing and players that opted out last year have all opted in now. They should be gaining promotion and Armagh need to bounce straight back after last years relegation.
Louth will likely fall like a stone without Mickey Harte. Kildare and Cork should be be challengers for promotion.
Looking forward to Cavan v Meath, under lights on a Saturday evening in Breffni Park.
Date Match Time/Results Match Day
27 January 2024 Meath v Fermanagh 2:30 pm Round 1
27 January 2024 Kildare v Cavan 5:00 pm Round 1
27 January 2024 Armagh v Louth 6:00 pm Round 1
28 January 2024 Donegal v Cork 1:45 pm Round 1
03 February 2024 Armagh v Meath 6:00 pm Round 2
03 February 2024 Fermanagh v Kildare 6:00 pm Round 2
04 February 2024 Louth v Cork 1:00 pm Round 2
04 February 2024 Cavan v Donegal 4:00 pm Round 2
17 February 2024 Donegal v Fermanagh 2:00 pm Round 3
17 February 2024 Cork v Cavan 4:00 pm Round 3
18 February 2024 Meath v Louth 2:00 pm Round 3
18 February 2024 Kildare v Armagh 3:45 pm Round 3
25 February 2024 Fermanagh v Cork 2:00 pm Round 4
25 February 2024 Louth v Cavan 2:00 pm Round 4
25 February 2024 Meath v Kildare 2:00 pm Round 4
25 February 2024 Armagh v Donegal 3:00 pm Round 4
02 March 2024 Fermanagh v Armagh 6:00 pm Round 5
02 March 2024 Cavan v Meath 7:00 pm Round 5
03 March 2024 Donegal v Louth 2:00 pm Round 5
03 March 2024 Cork v Kildare 3:30 pm Round 5
16 March 2024 Armagh v Cavan 5:00 pm Round 6
16 March 2024 Kildare v Donegal 5:00 pm Round 6
17 March 2024 Louth v Fermanagh 1:00 pm Round 6
17 March 2024 Meath v Cork 1:45 pm Round 6
24 March 2024 Cavan v Fermanagh 7:00 pm Round 7
24 March 2024 Cork v Armagh 7:00 pm Round 7
24 March 2024 Donegal v Meath 7:00 pm Round 7
24 March 2024 Kildare v Louth 7:00 pm Round 7
You've 2 division 1 games in there on 2nd March
Quote from: Itchy on January 10, 2024, 03:33:32 PMYou've 2 division 1 games in there on 2nd March
thanks changed it
We doing up a new thread for 2024 or keeping this one?
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 10, 2024, 08:19:34 PMWe doing up a new thread for 2024 or keeping this one?
Fixed the title for you.
I'm reasonably happy with how the McKenna campaign has gone had given how young the team is and with the recent retirement of senior players. Survival in Division 2 for another year will be the objective but it's such a strong league this year that a strong start will be important
Donegal - I think Donegal could have a big year
Cork - Improving, very mobile and physical and have a really good manager
Armagh - I think 3rd in Div 2 is the level they are at. They could well win Div2 though.
Kildare - Nothing between Kildare and Meath
Meath
Cavan - Nothing between Cavan and Fermanagh
Fermanagh
Louth - hard to see anything but relegation for Louth after Harte leaving them last minute.
Armagh have two strong promotion contenders away, Kildare and Cork. It would have been good to have one of these in the Athletic grounds, Cork don't always travel well, and take our chances with Louth away.
Hard to see past Donegal and Armagh for promotion. The one team that might sneak in is Cork, clear and overdue improvement they have made since adding Kevin Walsh to their management.
Kildare with a couple of successful U20 teams they have a lot of talented players to be added to their team and should become established Div 1 team in the years ahead.
Mid table for Meath and not knowing if they are coming or going.
The good job Mickey Harte did with Louth will likely be highlighted further without him this year. Fermanagh might survive as Cavan have a habit of either getting promoted or relegated the last decade
Quote from: armaghniac on January 11, 2024, 03:55:36 PMArmagh have two strong promotion contenders away, Kildare and Cork. It would have been good to have one of these in the Athletic grounds, Cork don't always travel well, and take our chances with Louth away.
Fancy our chances against Kildare. Wouldn't like to be heading to Cork in a must win though.
McGuinness is at the wheel again. Ban overturned. Apparently we weren't aware of the rule. ;D
Quote from: J70 on January 12, 2024, 10:07:38 AMMcGuinness is at the wheel again. Ban overturned. Apparently we weren't aware of the rule. ;D
What a surprise.
In general, is there any point having rules at all in the GAA. I don't think there is much point having referee's either. Maybe that is what should be brought to convention next year
It just shows the power of Jimmy that so many people think that Donegal will automatically get promoted and possibly win Ulster just because he is back at the helm. People must have short memories or have they forgotten last season. He will have them fit and organised but I struggle to see how he can have the same impact this time around. His main advantage first time around was the revolutionary tactics deployed when every other county was playing traditional football but this is no longer the case. He seems to be relying on the age old tactic of ensuring his side is fitter than everyone else with rumours of a savage training regime and number of training sessions. However it is only mid January and I don't see that alone giving them the necessary competitive edge when the season begins in earnest. I think they will be competitive again but I would be reserving judgement on them for now rather than buying into the myth. His presence does seem to have got into a lot of peoples heads though which will give them a psychological edge if opponents buy into this.
Agreed - people forget how good the donegal players were in that era. They don't have the same level any more.
(They have good players who should maybe be competitive in ulster but I wouldn't have thought they would be near challenging in an AI unless Jim is more of the messiah than I think he is...)
Quote from: yellowcard on January 12, 2024, 11:10:21 AMIt just shows the power of Jimmy that so many people think that Donegal will automatically get promoted and possibly win Ulster just because he is back at the helm. People must have short memories or have they forgotten last season. He will have them fit and organised but I struggle to see how he can have the same impact this time around. His main advantage first time around was the revolutionary tactics deployed when every other county was playing traditional football but this is no longer the case. He seems to be relying on the age old tactic of ensuring his side is fitter than everyone else with rumours of a savage training regime and number of training sessions. However it is only mid January and I don't see that alone giving them the necessary competitive edge when the season begins in earnest. I think they will be competitive again but I would be reserving judgement on them for now rather than buying into the myth. His presence does seem to have got into a lot of peoples heads though which will give them a psychological edge if opponents buy into this.
I actually agree completely with this. I think Jim will have a big impact on the team, but people are forgetting the level that we have been at for the last few years.
I agree re Donegal. No matter what you want to do you need players and Jimmy Part 1 had better men at his disposal. A year consolidating in Div 2 would be no harm.
I'm calling Armagh and Cork to up. The wheels might come off Meath at any stage and Kildare will just ruin that batch of U20s by exposing them to some of the most idiotic stuff seen anywhere.
Last year Cork and Derry humiliated us at home and then we can turn around and push better teams closer. Kildare fans literaly have no idea what team will turn up, but the thing I always say is that no intercounty team in Div 1 or 2 makes so many unforced stupid errors.
Midtable for Meath and Kildare...
A fit and organised Donegal team are established Division 1 team and they finished 4th in Div 1 in 2022 and semi finalists in 2021.
Last year the writing was on the wall for them early. Paddy Carr proved to be a poor appointment his cause not helped by a mountain of injuries and players opting out.
Jim McGuinness has brought the buzz back into Donegal they'll be fit and organised. Players have opted in again and injuries mostly cleared up. Winning Ulster might be a year or two away but finishing in the top two in division 2 this spring is more than achievable.
Quote from: StephenC on January 12, 2024, 11:39:00 AMQuote from: yellowcard on January 12, 2024, 11:10:21 AMIt just shows the power of Jimmy that so many people think that Donegal will automatically get promoted and possibly win Ulster just because he is back at the helm. People must have short memories or have they forgotten last season. He will have them fit and organised but I struggle to see how he can have the same impact this time around. His main advantage first time around was the revolutionary tactics deployed when every other county was playing traditional football but this is no longer the case. He seems to be relying on the age old tactic of ensuring his side is fitter than everyone else with rumours of a savage training regime and number of training sessions. However it is only mid January and I don't see that alone giving them the necessary competitive edge when the season begins in earnest. I think they will be competitive again but I would be reserving judgement on them for now rather than buying into the myth. His presence does seem to have got into a lot of peoples heads though which will give them a psychological edge if opponents buy into this.
I actually agree completely with this. I think Jim will have a big impact on the team, but people are forgetting the level that we have been at for the last few years.
being fit and organised counts for a lot in modern football though. I expect Donegal to get promoted alright. Ulster, who knows
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 12, 2024, 02:02:13 PMQuote from: StephenC on January 12, 2024, 11:39:00 AMQuote from: yellowcard on January 12, 2024, 11:10:21 AMIt just shows the power of Jimmy that so many people think that Donegal will automatically get promoted and possibly win Ulster just because he is back at the helm. People must have short memories or have they forgotten last season. He will have them fit and organised but I struggle to see how he can have the same impact this time around. His main advantage first time around was the revolutionary tactics deployed when every other county was playing traditional football but this is no longer the case. He seems to be relying on the age old tactic of ensuring his side is fitter than everyone else with rumours of a savage training regime and number of training sessions. However it is only mid January and I don't see that alone giving them the necessary competitive edge when the season begins in earnest. I think they will be competitive again but I would be reserving judgement on them for now rather than buying into the myth. His presence does seem to have got into a lot of peoples heads though which will give them a psychological edge if opponents buy into this.
I actually agree completely with this. I think Jim will have a big impact on the team, but people are forgetting the level that we have been at for the last few years.
being fit and organised counts for a lot in modern football though. I expect Donegal to get promoted alright. Ulster, who knows
It does, but it's the price of entry these days. If you are not super fit and organised, then you won't have a chance in D1, never mind in AIQF territory. I don't think it can be the differentiator today that we were able to make it in 2011/2012.
I think if we can keep Gallen fit, we'll be very competitive and a contender in Ulster. Don't see enough in the squad though to be seriously thinking about pushing into the top 4, never mind challenging Dublin or Kerry for the AI title.
Quote from: J70 on January 12, 2024, 02:20:34 PMI think if we can keep Gallen fit, we'll be very competitive and a contender in Ulster. Don't see enough in the squad though to be seriously thinking about pushing into the top 4, never mind challenging Dublin or Kerry for the AI title.
If Armagh were brutally honest with ourselves we (should) go all in for the Ulster Championship as we've a gift of a draw again and the other half is brutal looking, anything after that would be a bonus as we're not winning Sam, can't see us approaching the season that way tho.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 14, 2024, 02:04:19 PMQuote from: J70 on January 12, 2024, 02:20:34 PMI think if we can keep Gallen fit, we'll be very competitive and a contender in Ulster. Don't see enough in the squad though to be seriously thinking about pushing into the top 4, never mind challenging Dublin or Kerry for the AI title.
If Armagh were brutally honest with ourselves we (should) go all in for the Ulster Championship as we've a gift of a draw again and the other half is brutal looking, anything after that would be a bonus as we're not winning Sam, can't see us approaching the season that way tho.
Of course we'll be going all in at an Ulster. Barring a complete collapse we've a bye to the final. Would be nice to win D2 but promotion should be number 1 priority.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 02:14:31 PMQuote from: bennydorano on January 14, 2024, 02:04:19 PMQuote from: J70 on January 12, 2024, 02:20:34 PMI think if we can keep Gallen fit, we'll be very competitive and a contender in Ulster. Don't see enough in the squad though to be seriously thinking about pushing into the top 4, never mind challenging Dublin or Kerry for the AI title.
If Armagh were brutally honest with ourselves we (should) go all in for the Ulster Championship as we've a gift of a draw again and the other half is brutal looking, anything after that would be a bonus as we're not winning Sam, can't see us approaching the season that way tho.
Of course we'll be going all in at an Ulster. Barring a complete collapse we've a bye to the final. Would be nice to win D2 but promotion should be number 1 priority.
Would you put promotion to division 1 as a higher priority than winning Ulster? I'd definitely have winning Ulster as more of a priority.
You're right we should definitely make the final but who knows what we'll end up dishing out come championship!
Quote from: ranch on January 14, 2024, 06:22:39 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 02:14:31 PMQuote from: bennydorano on January 14, 2024, 02:04:19 PMQuote from: J70 on January 12, 2024, 02:20:34 PMI think if we can keep Gallen fit, we'll be very competitive and a contender in Ulster. Don't see enough in the squad though to be seriously thinking about pushing into the top 4, never mind challenging Dublin or Kerry for the AI title.
If Armagh were brutally honest with ourselves we (should) go all in for the Ulster Championship as we've a gift of a draw again and the other half is brutal looking, anything after that would be a bonus as we're not winning Sam, can't see us approaching the season that way tho.
Of course we'll be going all in at an Ulster. Barring a complete collapse we've a bye to the final. Would be nice to win D2 but promotion should be number 1 priority.
Would you put promotion to division 1 as a higher priority than winning Ulster? I'd definitely have winning Ulster as more of a priority.
You're right we should definitely make the final but who knows what we'll end up dishing out come championship!
Maybe I worded that wrong. Both are massive targets but yeah I'd happily stay in division 2 and win Ulster. Should definitely be doing both though.
1. Armagh
2. Kildare
3. Cork
4. Donegal
5. Meath
6. Louth
7. Cavan
8. Fermanagh
Armagh and Donegal should be the top 2 in the league but knowing Armagh they will fu*k it up. Cork are on the up, Meath and Kildare are well capable of causing a minor upset. I think Fermanagh, Cavan & Louth to fight it out for relegation with Cavan possibly the stronger of the 3.
Armagh away to Cork in the last game could be the decider of them two teams which could be a cracker, I've never been to the Spervalu stadium so I'm looking forward to that.
Quote from: illdecide on January 17, 2024, 11:50:48 AM1. Armagh
2. Kildare
3. Cork
4. Donegal
5. Meath
6. Louth
7. Cavan
8. Fermanagh
Armagh and Donegal should be the top 2 in the league but knowing Armagh they will fu*k it up. Cork are on the up, Meath and Kildare are well capable of causing a minor upset. I think Fermanagh, Cavan & Louth to fight it out for relegation with Cavan possibly the stronger of the 3.
Armagh away to Cork in the last game could be the decider of them two teams which could be a cracker, I've never been to the Spervalu stadium so I'm looking forward to that.
Hopefully we'll have at least second wrapped up by then but we never do it the easy way. Wouldn't fancy going there in a must win tbh.
Honestly think every team in this division could beat the other on the day. I would expect Cavan, Fermanagh and Louth to contest relegation, but for each of them to put a spanner in the works of the others.
Armagh and Donegal are probably bookies favorites for promotion, consistency and staying clear of injuries (Donegal in particular) should steer both of them up.
Should be a competitive league
Stark differences between Armagh & Donegal's approach to McKenna cup.
€€ Jim played 80/90% regulars.
££ Geezer played ~5% regulars, if even.
I hope everyones prediction of Cavan being in the bottom 2/3 is misplaced. Like always in the league it will probably come down to small margins. Cavan have a large number of players that were in Division 1 previously. The unknown is how they will get on under new management. I don't particularly rate Meath or Kildare that highly and either of them could end up in relegation trouble with a bad result or two. Likewise Fermanagh are not a team to be written off. I wouldn't be surprised really at anything that might happen in this group.
League football has been eventful for Cavan the last ten years.
2014 - promoted to Div 2
2015 - stayed in Div 2
2016 - promoted to Div 1
2017 - relegated to Div 2
2018 - promoted to Div 1
2019 - relegated to Div 2
2020 - relegated to Div 3
2021 - relegated to Div 4
2022 - promoted to Div 3
2023 - promoted to Div 2
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 17, 2024, 03:16:35 PMLeague football has been eventful for Cavan the last ten years.
2014 - promoted to Div 2
2015 - stayed in Div 2
2016 - promoted to Div 1
2017 - relegated to Div 2
2018 - promoted to Div 1
2019 - relegated to Div 2
2020 - relegated to Div 3
2021 - relegated to Div 4
2022 - promoted to Div 3
2023 - promoted to Div 2
Sure all the Cavan men here don't believe in the league.. only the oul league ... they are championship men! Driven by the yonder years success... you can only talk to Cavan men about championship becaus apparently that's where they are successful..
Quote from: 5times5times on January 17, 2024, 12:23:50 PMStark differences between Armagh & Donegal's approach to McKenna cup.
€€ Jim played 80/90% regulars.
££ Geezer played ~5% regulars, if even.
I don't think it was quite THAT high, at least in terms of starters. Across all the games, fair enough, I think most got a run out and the spine was always strong. One of the benefits of last year's disaster with injuries and opt-outs was the blooding of new players.
First fifteen come championship would probably be something like..
Patton
Curran
McCole
McMenamin
McHugh
Ban Gallagher
Mogan
McGee
McGonigle
O'Donnell brother
Langan
Thompson
McBrearty
Gallen
Conor O'Donnell
Subs.
O'Baoill
H. McFadden
McColgan
McFadden Ferry
Other O'Donnell brother
J. Brennan
P. Brennan
O. Doherty
Molloy brothers
Mac Ceallabhuí etc.
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 17, 2024, 03:35:29 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 17, 2024, 03:16:35 PMLeague football has been eventful for Cavan the last ten years.
2014 - promoted to Div 2
2015 - stayed in Div 2
2016 - promoted to Div 1
2017 - relegated to Div 2
2018 - promoted to Div 1
2019 - relegated to Div 2
2020 - relegated to Div 3
2021 - relegated to Div 4
2022 - promoted to Div 3
2023 - promoted to Div 2
Sure all the Cavan men here don't believe in the league.. only the oul league ... they are championship men! Driven by the yonder years success... you can only talk to Cavan men about championship becaus apparently that's where they are successful..
Do you spend all night dreaming about Arva and the Cavan Junior championship. You'd want to get a life lad.
Would say Cavan are bit better than Louth or Fermanagh. I'm sure they'll have improved from our Ulster game last year where they were very poor. Don't think they'll push for promotion but wouldnt be surprised to see them take points off one of the teams that are
First few rounds are always a bit of a crapshoot anyway as different teams are at different stages of training and squad strength. And then the luck of the home/ away draw and sequence comes into it.
Quote from: Itchy on January 17, 2024, 06:25:25 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 17, 2024, 03:35:29 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 17, 2024, 03:16:35 PMLeague football has been eventful for Cavan the last ten years.
2014 - promoted to Div 2
2015 - stayed in Div 2
2016 - promoted to Div 1
2017 - relegated to Div 2
2018 - promoted to Div 1
2019 - relegated to Div 2
2020 - relegated to Div 3
2021 - relegated to Div 4
2022 - promoted to Div 3
2023 - promoted to Div 2
Sure all the Cavan men here don't believe in the league.. only the oul league ... they are championship men! Driven by the yonder years success... you can only talk to Cavan men about championship becaus apparently that's where they are successful..
Do you spend all night dreaming about Arva and the Cavan Junior championship. You'd want to get a life lad.
Not at all. It's funny how the common Cavan man defends the Arva situation but at inter county level yous are shocking because of the outlook on your county league structures.
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 17, 2024, 07:26:56 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 17, 2024, 06:25:25 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 17, 2024, 03:35:29 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 17, 2024, 03:16:35 PMLeague football has been eventful for Cavan the last ten years.
2014 - promoted to Div 2
2015 - stayed in Div 2
2016 - promoted to Div 1
2017 - relegated to Div 2
2018 - promoted to Div 1
2019 - relegated to Div 2
2020 - relegated to Div 3
2021 - relegated to Div 4
2022 - promoted to Div 3
2023 - promoted to Div 2
Sure all the Cavan men here don't believe in the league.. only the oul league ... they are championship men! Driven by the yonder years success... you can only talk to Cavan men about championship becaus apparently that's where they are successful..
Do you spend all night dreaming about Arva and the Cavan Junior championship. You'd want to get a life lad.
Not at all. It's funny how the common Cavan man defends the Arva situation but at inter county level yous are shocking because of the outlook on your county league structures.
I'm sticking you on ignore, you're a dose
Quote from: Itchy on January 17, 2024, 07:33:43 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 17, 2024, 07:26:56 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 17, 2024, 06:25:25 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 17, 2024, 03:35:29 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 17, 2024, 03:16:35 PMLeague football has been eventful for Cavan the last ten years.
2014 - promoted to Div 2
2015 - stayed in Div 2
2016 - promoted to Div 1
2017 - relegated to Div 2
2018 - promoted to Div 1
2019 - relegated to Div 2
2020 - relegated to Div 3
2021 - relegated to Div 4
2022 - promoted to Div 3
2023 - promoted to Div 2
Sure all the Cavan men here don't believe in the league.. only the oul league ... they are championship men! Driven by the yonder years success... you can only talk to Cavan men about championship becaus apparently that's where they are successful..
Do you spend all night dreaming about Arva and the Cavan Junior championship. You'd want to get a life lad.
Not at all. It's funny how the common Cavan man defends the Arva situation but at inter county level yous are shocking because of the outlook on your county league structures.
I'm sticking you on ignore, you're a dose
Cavan have a 46% win rate in the Ulster champ over the last 10 years.... Monaghan is 62%
This is the ranking produced by Laoisman11 on Boards.ie.
This shows quite a wide spread in Div 2. Before you start cribbing about Armagh's score, this system would have counted the games against Derry and Monaghan in the championship as draws, the fact that those teams proceeded on penalties would not have counted.
Donegal have had a managerial boost and Louth a managerial loss, so this woud probably see Armagh, Cork and Donegal as most likely be promoted, Meath and Kildare to probably stay mid table but be concerend with their position re inclusion in the championship, and Louth, Cavan and Fermanagh to have potential difficulties.
Of course, everything may be different in a couple of weeks.
(https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,width=1600/https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/F6U8DTFKPY9L/leaguepreview.png)
By its nature it is backward looking whereas the League needs a forward looking analysis. The ratings as approximated by the betting are extremely volatile in the first 3 rounds.
It is the same in the first weeks of the championship. The favourite is who won last year
Jim McGuinness
"There's a lot of people hellbent in the GAA in talking down the provincial championships, even though the provincial championship in Ulster, there is no change on it. It's still the exact same thing that it always was,"
"But people's perception of it, that people are not taking it seriously or people are focusing on the All-Ireland, it's absolute nonsense. A paper doesn't refuse ink, or conversations on podcast.
"The bottom line for us is that it will always be the number one competition. Whenever we're out of that competition, the next one will be the number one competition. There is two competitions every single year, in terms of championship football, and you focus on the first one first and the second one second.
"That is absolutely it. For us, everything from that very first training session to that ball being thrown in at Celtic Park is focused on that moment, nothing else.
"We will obviously be going out to win as many games as we can in Division 2, you're trying to get promotion, keep the wheel turning, build the positivity and try and get up into a higher level for the next year.
"But the only reason you're trying to do that is to be in a better place against better teams so you're better positioned for the Ulster championship."
100% Jim
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 23, 2024, 03:59:51 PMJim McGuinness
"There's a lot of people hellbent in the GAA in talking down the provincial championships, even though the provincial championship in Ulster, there is no change on it. It's still the exact same thing that it always was,"
"But people's perception of it, that people are not taking it seriously or people are focusing on the All-Ireland, it's absolute nonsense. A paper doesn't refuse ink, or conversations on podcast.
"The bottom line for us is that it will always be the number one competition. Whenever we're out of that competition, the next one will be the number one competition. There is two competitions every single year, in terms of championship football, and you focus on the first one first and the second one second.
"That is absolutely it. For us, everything from that very first training session to that ball being thrown in at Celtic Park is focused on that moment, nothing else.
"We will obviously be going out to win as many games as we can in Division 2, you're trying to get promotion, keep the wheel turning, build the positivity and try and get up into a higher level for the next year.
"But the only reason you're trying to do that is to be in a better place against better teams so you're better positioned for the Ulster championship."
Well said by McGuinness. Devenney did a good interview with him, which is where this quote is from.
Especially with Ulster so competitive right now. I could see someone downplaying it a bit during periods when the province is not that strong (we won a couple of relatively handy ones in 2018 and 2019) but you've a couple of teams who should be aiming for AI semis at least, and several more who could beat any of them on the day.
Quote from: J70 on January 23, 2024, 05:46:37 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 23, 2024, 03:59:51 PMJim McGuinness
"There's a lot of people hellbent in the GAA in talking down the provincial championships, even though the provincial championship in Ulster, there is no change on it. It's still the exact same thing that it always was,"
"But people's perception of it, that people are not taking it seriously or people are focusing on the All-Ireland, it's absolute nonsense. A paper doesn't refuse ink, or conversations on podcast.
"The bottom line for us is that it will always be the number one competition. Whenever we're out of that competition, the next one will be the number one competition. There is two competitions every single year, in terms of championship football, and you focus on the first one first and the second one second.
"That is absolutely it. For us, everything from that very first training session to that ball being thrown in at Celtic Park is focused on that moment, nothing else.
"We will obviously be going out to win as many games as we can in Division 2, you're trying to get promotion, keep the wheel turning, build the positivity and try and get up into a higher level for the next year.
"But the only reason you're trying to do that is to be in a better place against better teams so you're better positioned for the Ulster championship."
Well said by McGuinness. Devenney did a good interview with him, which is where this quote is from.
Especially with Ulster so competitive right now. I could see someone downplaying it a bit during periods when the province is not that strong (we won a couple of relatively handy ones in 2018 and 2019) but you've a couple of teams who should be aiming for AI semis at least, and several more who could beat any of them on the day.
This is the interview on Spotify
https://open.spotify.com/episode/6YhR5cwPaA0HD5iwSQGhTR?si=vyF4sCEYSS2J5_RCrfyN1A (https://open.spotify.com/episode/6YhR5cwPaA0HD5iwSQGhTR?si=vyF4sCEYSS2J5_RCrfyN1A)
How is everyone else shaping up, apart from Jimmy and the lads?
Kildare have no squad announced. No clue who is injured. The team will be named 5 minutes before throw-in. That's after a 1 hour drive to a home game in another county. Then we will wonder why so few turned up...
I honestly have no idea how we will do against Cavan. It could be a big win or a terrible loss...
You should see Donegal, Armagh and Cork being front runners.
Meath and Kildare could easily see the wheels fall off, but think Louth and Fermanagh will be for the drop. How are Cavan building up?
Is Galligan back for Cavan?
Cavan will be loving everyone writing them off, could surprise a few of us.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 25, 2024, 04:09:28 PMHow is everyone else shaping up, apart from Jimmy and the lads?
Kildare have no squad announced. No clue who is injured. The team will be named 5 minutes before throw-in. That's after a 1 hour drive to a home game in another county. Then we will wonder why so few turned up...
I honestly have no idea how we will do against Cavan. It could be a big win or a terrible loss...
You should see Donegal, Armagh and Cork being front runners.
Meath and Kildare could easily see the wheels fall off, but think Louth and Fermanagh will be for the drop. How are Cavan building up?
Probably as cheaply as possible, you know Cavan people and how tight they are with money.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 25, 2024, 05:51:44 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on January 25, 2024, 04:09:28 PMHow is everyone else shaping up, apart from Jimmy and the lads?
Kildare have no squad announced. No clue who is injured. The team will be named 5 minutes before throw-in. That's after a 1 hour drive to a home game in another county. Then we will wonder why so few turned up...
I honestly have no idea how we will do against Cavan. It could be a big win or a terrible loss...
You should see Donegal, Armagh and Cork being front runners.
Meath and Kildare could easily see the wheels fall off, but think Louth and Fermanagh will be for the drop. How are Cavan building up?
Probably as cheaply as possible, you know Cavan people and how tight they are with money.
Sure didn't they time winning that Ulster perfectly during covid their county board didnt have to fork out for a homecoming ;).
And yes I know it's a lot more than we've won in a long time before someone says it!
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 25, 2024, 05:56:58 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 25, 2024, 05:51:44 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on January 25, 2024, 04:09:28 PMHow is everyone else shaping up, apart from Jimmy and the lads?
Kildare have no squad announced. No clue who is injured. The team will be named 5 minutes before throw-in. That's after a 1 hour drive to a home game in another county. Then we will wonder why so few turned up...
I honestly have no idea how we will do against Cavan. It could be a big win or a terrible loss...
You should see Donegal, Armagh and Cork being front runners.
Meath and Kildare could easily see the wheels fall off, but think Louth and Fermanagh will be for the drop. How are Cavan building up?
Probably as cheaply as possible, you know Cavan people and how tight they are with money.
Sure didn't they time winning that Ulster perfectly during covid their county board didnt have to fork out for a homecoming ;).
And yes I know it's a lot more than we've won in a long time before someone says it!
Cute hoors from Cavan.
John Cleary has named a 36 man Cork panel for the league.
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Quote from: Itchy on January 25, 2024, 09:11:29 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 25, 2024, 05:28:24 PMIs Galligan back for Cavan?
Which Galligan
The midfielder who got the all star the year ye won Ulster- he was away travelling I think but maybe has been back since and I've missed it. Super player.
Armagh name two half backs in the half forward line. Gonna be a long year
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 25, 2024, 09:25:32 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 25, 2024, 09:11:29 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 25, 2024, 05:28:24 PMIs Galligan back for Cavan?
Which Galligan
The midfielder who got the all star the year ye won Ulster- he was away travelling I think but maybe has been back since and I've missed it. Super player.
Thomas Galligan and no he's still on his travels. His brother James is on the panel though.
Quote from: Itchy on January 25, 2024, 09:35:11 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 25, 2024, 09:25:32 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 25, 2024, 09:11:29 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 25, 2024, 05:28:24 PMIs Galligan back for Cavan?
Which Galligan
The midfielder who got the all star the year ye won Ulster- he was away travelling I think but maybe has been back since and I've missed it. Super player.
Thomas Galligan and no he's still on his travels. His brother James is on the panel though.
Pity for yourselves, rate him very highly he's the sorta lad you'd love on your team. Is big McKiernan retired?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 25, 2024, 09:39:52 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 25, 2024, 09:35:11 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 25, 2024, 09:25:32 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 25, 2024, 09:11:29 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 25, 2024, 05:28:24 PMIs Galligan back for Cavan?
Which Galligan
The midfielder who got the all star the year ye won Ulster- he was away travelling I think but maybe has been back since and I've missed it. Super player.
Thomas Galligan and no he's still on his travels. His brother James is on the panel though.
Pity for yourselves, rate him very highly he's the sorta lad you'd love on your team. Is big McKiernan retired?
It seems so, it was very low key. Maybe he wanted it that way. A serious servant to Cavan who never took time off bar a cruciate injury. I would've loved to see him stay and play inside.
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 25, 2024, 09:27:58 PMArmagh name two half backs in the half forward line. Gonna be a long year
Conor O'Neill has played alot of football for Kileavey in the forward line and likewise McElroy for the harps.Would be surprised both of them playing there though.Would rate Conor O Neill highly but think there are better options than McElroy.Glad to see Conaty get a start think he could have a big year.
Quote from: statto on January 25, 2024, 09:50:19 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 25, 2024, 09:27:58 PMArmagh name two half backs in the half forward line. Gonna be a long year
Conor O'Neill has played alot of football for Kileavey in the forward line and likewise McElroy for the harps.Would be surprised both of them playing there though.Would rate Conor O Neill highly but think there are better options than McElroy.Glad to see Conaty get a start think he could have a big year.
it's going to be a long year!!
And not in a good way
8 defenders playing against Louth at home
Jeez
Quote from: ranch on January 26, 2024, 06:43:50 AMYeah a very strange line up from Armagh. McElroy and Conor O'Neill both at wing HF is strange. I like O'Neill but McElroy has never looked impressive for us. Oisín O'Neill on the bench is an odd one, surely this is the sort of game we'd want him to starting, first game of the league at home? No Rian O'Neill named, is he carrying a knock?
Paddy Burns is still about the panel, I don't think he's ever stayed fit for more than two games in a row.
Shea Magill must be wondering why he bothers. Sub keeper when Rafferty is fit, now he's injured and he's still sub keeper. I just hope we're not taking this game too lightly, the Louth side that's been named could do a number on us if we're not clued in.
Conor O'Neill would be nailed on as corner or wing back for me. McElroy is probably underrated for some reason but don't like the fact we've so many defenders on, neither of those lads while good players in their own right are attack minded forwards.
Magill has shown himself to be suspect under a high ball and Blaine was solid for us for a long time before the Rafferty experiment started so not too surprised there. Surprised at Oisin O'Neill not starting but you never know could be changes yet.
Good to see Conaty and McGrane get their chance hopefully both can take it and give us more options for the year, two good lads. Best wishes to Forker as captain as well, a serious soldier for us for years and well deserved captain.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 26, 2024, 07:30:30 AMQuote from: ranch on January 26, 2024, 06:43:50 AMYeah a very strange line up from Armagh. McElroy and Conor O'Neill both at wing HF is strange. I like O'Neill but McElroy has never looked impressive for us. Oisín O'Neill on the bench is an odd one, surely this is the sort of game we'd want him to starting, first game of the league at home? No Rian O'Neill named, is he carrying a knock?
Paddy Burns is still about the panel, I don't think he's ever stayed fit for more than two games in a row.
Shea Magill must be wondering why he bothers. Sub keeper when Rafferty is fit, now he's injured and he's still sub keeper. I just hope we're not taking this game too lightly, the Louth side that's been named could do a number on us if we're not clued in.
Conor O'Neill would be nailed on as corner or wing back for me. McElroy is probably underrated for some reason but don't like the fact we've so many defenders on, neither of those lads while good players in their own right are attack minded forwards.
Magill has shown himself to be suspect under a high ball and Blaine was solid for us for a long time before the Rafferty experiment started so not too surprised there. Surprised at Oisin O'Neill not starting but you never know could be changes yet.
Good to see Conaty and McGrane get their chance hopefully both can take it and give us more options for the year, two good lads. Best wishes to Forker as captain as well, a serious soldier for us for years and well deserved captain.
Would agree would have O'Neill in corner back in best team.If Armagh started Kelly and say Hall at 12 they would be playing deeper anyway.If they keep other 4 lads high up pitch and get good quality ball to them they should have plenty of scores in them.
New year, same bunch of Armagh crybabies.
I'm sure the 4 high profile coaches/manager have a better insight than you lads moaning on a forum.
It's Louth, the easiest game Armagh will have in Div2. Why not try new stuff out.
Yaps
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 25, 2024, 09:27:58 PMArmagh name two half backs in the half forward line. Gonna be a long year
The way modern football is. Those named half forward are expected to put in more work defensively for the team than offensively. Wing half backs are expected to be your attacking outlets.
No Rian ONeill? What's the story?
Kildare moaning last year and what can we do with those pesky Dubs?!
So, instead of playing in the kip Croke Park off we go to Carlow. 1 hour from the northern towns with no direct public transport.
It's match day and no team named or panel known. But then in the summer there will be a moan about how can we compete with Dublin...
Mid table at best with no Dan Flynn today and Alex Beirne too.
Quote from: Itchy on January 25, 2024, 09:44:44 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 25, 2024, 09:39:52 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 25, 2024, 09:35:11 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 25, 2024, 09:25:32 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 25, 2024, 09:11:29 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 25, 2024, 05:28:24 PMIs Galligan back for Cavan?
Which Galligan
The midfielder who got the all star the year ye won Ulster- he was away travelling I think but maybe has been back since and I've missed it. Super player.
Thomas Galligan and no he's still on his travels. His brother James is on the panel though.
Pity for yourselves, rate him very highly he's the sorta lad you'd love on your team. Is big McKiernan retired?
It seems so, it was very low key. Maybe he wanted it that way. A serious servant to Cavan who never took time off bar a cruciate injury. I would've loved to see him stay and play inside.
Glad we don't have to come up against him this year
Half time Meath 0-5 Fermanagh 1-5 a goal just before the break puts Fermanagh three in front in Páirc Tailteann.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 27, 2024, 03:12:00 PMHalf time Meath 0-5 Fermanagh 1-5 a goal just before the break puts Fermanagh three in front in Páirc Tailteann.
Better result for Fermanagh you would think but they be disappointed not have won that being three up in second half.
Quote from: statto on January 27, 2024, 04:21:55 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 27, 2024, 03:12:00 PMHalf time Meath 0-5 Fermanagh 1-5 a goal just before the break puts Fermanagh three in front in Páirc Tailteann.
Better result for Fermanagh you would think but they be disappointed not have won that being three up in second half.
I think they went 4pts up at a stage.
Quote from: statto on January 27, 2024, 04:21:55 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 27, 2024, 03:12:00 PMHalf time Meath 0-5 Fermanagh 1-5 a goal just before the break puts Fermanagh three in front in Páirc Tailteann.
Better result for Fermanagh you would think but they be disappointed not have won that being three up in second half.
Certainly the better result for Fermanagh.
Cavan 0-9 Kildare 0-6 at half time.
All these behind closed door games doing Armagh well so far.
Absolute scutter from Armagh.
Good win for Cavan in Dr Cullen Park 0-16 0-12
Half time Armagh 0-4 Louth 0-5
Good win for Cavan in the Seanie Johnson derby.
We are shite
A thoroughly undeserved win. Louth deserved at least a draw.
New season same game plan it appears, still heavily geared towards keeping the score down. It also makes you realise just how important Ethan Rafferty is in that rigid defensive structure, he is Armaghs most important player in that system.
Saw Armagh quoted at 1/10 with Bookies, knew that was mental, we don't play Louth too often but it's always pretty tight. First league game and all so I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater but a couple of performances there, one from a starter and another from a sub that were just really really awful imo. Still 4/5/6 players to come back in, so judgement reserved.
I don't think Louth deserved a draw, they never pushed up until it was too late and threw away a 4 point cushion with 20 mins to go. Only themselves to blame.
Armagh showed a bit of balls to get back into it and then get in front, Soupy and Turbitt with some good scores especially. They got out of jail though, on another day Mulroy will score a couple of those off the ground.
Decision making continues to be an issue when leading in the final minutes as well, just as it was in the penalty shoot out losses to Galway, Derry and Monaghan. McPartlan (shot dropped short), Conor O'Neill (shocking pass) and McElroy (blindly hand passing the ball when on the ground) the main culprits today. Hopefully we can continue to improve as the league goes on.
First half was brutal. Two bad misses by turbo. To be fair he redeemed himself second half. Campbell superb. Don't know if McCambridge even touched the ball. McPartlan done nothing when he came on. Keeper was decent. We are better when we go for it. Won a lot of ball when we pushed up on their kick outs and then stepped off them when we went 2 up. Louth will be kicking themselves
Meath had enough chances to win but not taking them. Too many young lads in the team with Sigerson games during the week. Lethargic display. Not sure we'll improve by next week.
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 09:32:46 PMFirst half was brutal. Two bad misses by turbo. To be fair he redeemed himself second half. Campbell superb. Don't know if McCambridge even touched the ball. McPartlan done nothing when he came on. Keeper was decent. We are better when we go for it. Won a lot of ball when we pushed up on their kick outs and then stepped off them when we went 2 up. Louth will be kicking themselves
My 2 discreet awfuls named.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 27, 2024, 09:43:52 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 09:32:46 PMFirst half was brutal. Two bad misses by turbo. To be fair he redeemed himself second half. Campbell superb. Don't know if McCambridge even touched the ball. McPartlan done nothing when he came on. Keeper was decent. We are better when we go for it. Won a lot of ball when we pushed up on their kick outs and then stepped off them when we went 2 up. Louth will be kicking themselves
My 2 discreet awfuls named.
Haha. It's true tho. Good to get the win but so much to work on
The only saving grace was that Armagh got the win tonight, as it definitely wasn't deserved. Yes, it's only January and the first match of the league, but the worrying similarity of sitting back on a 1 or 2 pt lead was there again. That happened too many times last year and the year before, and here we are again in 2024. As mentioned above, Armagh are best when they go for it, but the same old insecurities seemed to present themselves when they needed to push on for a comfortable win. 2 pts up and we stopped contesting the kick out, seriously, what's that all about.
Louth will be rightfully disappointed, they deserved a point at the very least tonight.
Traffic getting into Armagh 90 mins before throw in was atrocious, seemed like a decent crowd for a Div. 2 opener, not sure if a 6pm throw-in time on a Saturday evening is the right call though.
A win is a win for Armagh. Louth finished 3rd in Division 2 last year where they beat Kildare, Meath and ran Derry to a one score game. They are expected to drop off this year without Harte however what they learnt under him was still in practice tonight.
Great win and performance by Cavan. The better team over the full match and one of our best performances in years. Louth and Fermanagh showing they are determined not to be the whipping boys in this division which is starting to look like a bloodbath already!
Quote from: Itchy on January 28, 2024, 08:44:25 AMGreat win and performance by Cavan. The better team over the full match and one of our best performances in years. Louth and Fermanagh showing they are determined not to be the whipping boys in this division which is starting to look like a bloodbath already!
All about the rankings for Sam.
Every game is a must win.
Quote from: marty34 on January 28, 2024, 09:12:06 AMQuote from: Itchy on January 28, 2024, 08:44:25 AMGreat win and performance by Cavan. The better team over the full match and one of our best performances in years. Louth and Fermanagh showing they are determined not to be the whipping boys in this division which is starting to look like a bloodbath already!
All about the rankings for Sam.
Every game is a must win.
Hence why it's a little odd. Division 2 and 3 is cutthroat based on Championship seedings. It effectively makes certain league games worth more than Championship. Cavan could beat Monaghan and Tyrone in Ulster, but unless they win the semi too, those games are worth less than league games v Louth and Fermanagh. An odd system
Take the win and forget about that.
Armagh are only good when they the go for it, chaotic football suits us ala the end of the Galway game in 2022. Pure madness and something worth paying 18 fecking quid for rather than being bored stupid
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 28, 2024, 10:35:02 AMTake the win and forget about that.
Armagh are only good when they the go for it, chaotic football suits us ala the end of the Galway game in 2022. Pure madness and something worth paying 18 fecking quid for rather than being bored stupid
I was seriously question my choice of paying 18 quid at half time
Serious wind into the river end in Ballybofey. Donegal would need to be 5 or 6 points up at the half, at least. Cork are playing some nice, quick football through the hands to create their scores so far, including their goal. We'll see if Donegal can do the same second half, as so far we've been totally reliant on long range scores with the breeze.
0-8 to 1-2 after 27 mins.
Donegal's shooting been very impressive albeit wind assissted.
6 point lead might just be enough. Goal Keeping Cork in the game. Despite playing some good running football but making the wrong decision at times.
0-12 to 1-3 at the half.
McGuinness will be happy enough given the team he has out, but scores will be hard to come by for Donegal in the second half.
Donegal very impressive second half so far too.
I suppose they are the masters of playing in the wind.
Cork haven't stepped up this half at all.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 28, 2024, 02:57:17 PMDonegal very impressive second half so far too.
I suppose they are the masters of playing in the wind.
Cork haven't stepped up this half at all.
Till now. Bad goal to give away (Mulreany caught up the field). We were cruising to victory, now it's back in the mix.
That's 1-1 in the last few minutes from Donegal giving up the ball through hand passes across the Cork defense.
Quote from: J70 on January 28, 2024, 02:58:18 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 28, 2024, 02:57:17 PMDonegal very impressive second half so far too.
I suppose they are the masters of playing in the wind.
Cork haven't stepped up this half at all.
Till now. Bad goal to give away (Mulreany caught up the field). We were cruising to victory, now it's back in the mix.
You's have recovered well.
Donegal seem to be on a different level physically to Cork.
Donegal 10 points in front with 3 minutes to play.
Donegal going to absolutely cakewalk this Division 2 on this weekends evidence.
Looks like I was right after the McKenna cup final to say McGuinness focus was fully on the Cork game.
Donegal very comfortable there. Cork don't look like they'll be in the mix for promotion.
Good win over the whole game with a lot of inexperienced players out there. Thoroughly dominant. 12 scorers.
Cork were brutal overall, as they always are when they come up to Donegal. Can't remember the last time we didn't hammer them at home in the league. Two points from play with that gale behind them?
Win the home games and stay in the top 16 is the first aim. That'll do to start.
McGonigle had a good game at six. Ryan McHugh was superb all through.
When Cork cross the 54th Parallel their powers disappear.
Cork a poor team and have been for a long time.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 28, 2024, 07:14:47 PMCork a poor team and have been for a long time.
Which is a bit odd.
Doesn't seem that much interest. They have had enough coming through that they should be improving.
::)
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 28, 2024, 07:27:02 PMDoesn't seem that much interest. They have had enough coming through that they should be improving.
They were showing signs of improvement last year. In the league very competitive against the best two Derry,Dublin. Competitive against Kerry in championship and wins over Roscommon,Mayo. Today their hardest game on paper better to judge them after the next 6 games.
Cork need an outside man in to shake them up.
I know hurling is big there but it's a big enough county to be aiming for semi finals or better every year.
Imagine what McGuinness could do with them resources or a Malachy O'Rourke.
Obviously logistics mean they'll never get a northerner in and too proud to get an outsider
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 28, 2024, 11:31:33 PMCork need an outside man in to shake them up.
I know hurling is big there but it's a big enough county to be aiming for semi finals or better every year.
Imagine what McGuinness could do with them resources or a Malachy O'Rourke.
Obviously logistics mean they'll never get a northerner in and too proud to get an outsider
Just 1 game, I wouldn't be making any decisions about any team based on just the one game
Quote from: Itchy on January 29, 2024, 08:34:27 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 28, 2024, 11:31:33 PMCork need an outside man in to shake them up.
I know hurling is big there but it's a big enough county to be aiming for semi finals or better every year.
Imagine what McGuinness could do with them resources or a Malachy O'Rourke.
Obviously logistics mean they'll never get a northerner in and too proud to get an outsider
Just 1 game, I wouldn't be making any decisions about any team based on just the one game
Exactly, and certainly not in Ballybofey in bad weather after such a long trip up. Better teams than Cork would struggle there if they don't know it well. Cork missing a few players, we need a few more games before we can pass judgement properly.
Quote from: Itchy on January 29, 2024, 08:34:27 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 28, 2024, 11:31:33 PMCork need an outside man in to shake them up.
I know hurling is big there but it's a big enough county to be aiming for semi finals or better every year.
Imagine what McGuinness could do with them resources or a Malachy O'Rourke.
Obviously logistics mean they'll never get a northerner in and too proud to get an outsider
Just 1 game, I wouldn't be making any decisions about any team based on just the one game
This is the guts of 10 years I'm talking about not just one game.
They've made a few quarter finals in that period and it looks like John Cleary might finally be the right man for the job with Walsh in with him.
It seems to be very slow progress however.
In fairness travelling up to Donegal in them conditions is not easy but if it was the other way around and Donegal were travelling to Cork they'd be relishing that challenge and there's no way McGuinness would accept a performance like that.
I am shouting in the wind like a lot of Kildare fans but credit to Galligan on that win. Jimmy was always going to get things moving in fairness.
The Fermanagh and Cavan results already mean that the division is tight. If Kildare lose next weekend they are in big bother.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 29, 2024, 12:39:54 PMI am shouting in the wind like a lot of Kildare fans but credit to Galligan on that win. Jimmy was always going to get things moving in fairness.
The Fermanagh and Cavan results already mean that the division is tight. If Kildare lose next weekend they are in big bother.
It's a fair point. Galligan needed a win to set things off after a mcKenna Cup campaign that wasn't great overall. Getting some players back and playing Kildare in what is an away game for them essentially too helped. But still needed to do it, in a division when any points will be hard earned and could see a good team going down with some tight losses. Massive for him after moving so soon from playing to managing.
Armagh v Meath
Fermanagh v Kildare
Louth v Cork Draw
Cavan v Donegal
Reportedly, the attendance at the Athletic Grounds for Armagh v Louth was over 10,000 last Saturday evening ... I was there and was obvious it was a large crowd but still surprising to see that turn out for an end of January game in Div. 2. The visit of Meath should have a similar turn-out this Saturday, unreal for Armagh GAA.
Quote from: balladmaker on January 31, 2024, 09:36:29 PMReportedly, the attendance at the Athletic Grounds for Armagh v Louth was over 10,000 last Saturday evening ... I was there and was obvious it was a large crowd but still surprising to see that turn out for an end of January game in Div. 2. The visit of Meath should have a similar turn-out this Saturday, unreal for Armagh GAA.
Probably a big attendence for Div 2, there were a thousand Louth people or more, Meath would probably bring a similar number. If we manage to up the performance a bit then there should be good crowds for Donegal and Cavan later on and a few people weekending by the Lee.
Say what you want about Armagh but the crowds always turn up.
Yep, bit like mayo in that regard. Starve a team of success and the crowds come out.
Quote from: An Watcher on February 01, 2024, 07:10:59 AMYep, bit like mayo in that regard. Starve a team of success and the crowds come out.
That combined with hope.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 01, 2024, 06:54:41 PMQuote from: An Watcher on February 01, 2024, 07:10:59 AMYep, bit like mayo in that regard. Starve a team of success and the crowds come out.
That combined with hope.
It's the hope that kills ya
Division 2 is probably more interesting that Division 1 because whoever gets relegated will not be in the Sam Maguire
Quote from: seafoid on February 02, 2024, 02:19:31 PMDivision 2 is probably more interesting that Division 1 because whoever gets relegated will not be in the Sam Maguire
Not necessarily, Meath might well get relegated, but will be in Sam anyhow.
I would love to see something different from Armagh but it's not going to happen. The biggest danger to us is us believing we are really really close to achieving something because only bad luck has denied us the last 2 seasons. Its sort of true but I fully expect a 3rd season in a row of narrow misses and frustration- because we won't try something new or be braver. 'The system' will ultimately kill us.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 02, 2024, 06:01:13 PMI would love to see something different from Armagh but it's not going to happen. The biggest danger to us is us believing we are really reslly close to achieving something because only bad luck has denied us the last 2 seasons. Its sort of true but I fully expect a 3rd season in a row of narrow misses and frustration- because we won't try something new or be braver. 'The system' will ultimately kill us.
Hate to admit it but you're probably right. A set of balls would have beat Derry and Monaghan last year
The only reason Tyrone won the all ireland a few years back was because they threw caution to the wind abit against kerry. No way would they have won with harte and i think it's a similar scenario with mcgeeney. A new man would bring a new energy and bounce
Quote from: bennydorano on February 02, 2024, 06:01:13 PMI would love to see something different from Armagh but it's not going to happen. The biggest danger to us is us believing we are really really close to achieving something because only bad luck has denied us the last 2 seasons. Its sort of true but I fully expect a 3rd season in a row of narrow misses and frustration- because we won't try something new or be braver. 'The system' will ultimately kill us.
Given how he's picking his teams I think Mcgeeney wants to sign off by winning the tailteann cup!
To be totally honest it's nothing to do with luck that you were put out last year and the year before. Against Galway a mad goalkeeping performance kept Armagh in it and papered over the cracks. Last year you should have put Monaghan away but couldn't.
It's frustrating to watch as I'd like to see you do well but the reality is you are miles off all irelands or anything like that but it feels like you have the players to do so much better. Some of your forwards most other counties can only dream of.
Quote from: seafoid on February 02, 2024, 02:19:31 PMDivision 2 is probably more interesting that Division 1 because whoever gets relegated will not be in the Sam Maguire
It's why this system is messed up and isn't right. Certain league games rank more for certain teams now than Championship games later in the year. It's silly and needs a rethink
No real changes for Kildare in terms of the team named...although I expect some in reality
And speaking of no changes I fully expect us to keep carrying it into contact and losing it.
1 Mark Donnellan Marcas Ó Donalláin Maynooth
2 Mick O'Grady Mícheál Ó Gráda Celbridge
3 Shea Ryan Shea Ó Riain Sarsfields
4 Ryan Burke Ryan de Búrca Caragh
5 Kevin Flynn Caoimhín Ó Floinn Celbridge
6 Jack Sargent Seán Sáirgeant Eadestown
7 Brian Byrne Briain Ó Brion Naas
8 Kevin Feely Caoimhín Ó Ficheallaigh Athy
9 Kevin O'Callaghan Caoimhín Ó Ceallacháin Celbridge
10 Luke Killian Lúcás Ó Cillín Sallins
11 Ben McCormack Bearnárd Mac Cormaic Sarsfields
12 Paddy McDermott Padraig Mac Diarmuid Naas
13 Paddy Woodgate Padraig Ó Woodgate Raheens
14 Darragh Kirwan Dara Ó Ciarubháin Naas
15 Jimmy Hyland Seamus Ó hAolaín Ballyteague
16 Didier Cordonnier Didier Cordonnier Two Mile House
17 Callum Bolton Colm Bóltan Sarsfields
18 Eoin Doyle Eoghan Ó Dubhghaill Naas
19 Alex Beirne Alsander Ó Broin Naas
20 Killian Galligan Cillian Ó Gealagain Clogherinkoe
21 Ryan Houlihan Rían hUallacháin Moorefield
22 Barry Kelly Barra Ó Ceallaigh Athy
23 Aaron Masterson Aaron mac an Mhaistir Moorefield
24 Aaron O'Neill Aron O Neill Carbury
25 Shane O'Sullivan Seán Ó Súilleabháin Clane
26 Sam McCormack Somhairle Mac Cormaic Clane
Can some Armagh folk advise here on best place to park for todays game? Will coming in through A28 I'd imagine.... Have never actually been to this pitch before! Is traffic generally mad? Thanks
If you want to avoid the traffic on the Newry Road (A28), as you drop off the A1 at Newry go via Poyntzpass, Tandragee, Hamiltonsbawn and on to Armagh.
Park at the bottom of the Hamiltonsbawn road (@ the top of the mall) and a good 10 min. walk will have you in the ground.
It's maybe 5/6 miles further but the Newry Road is a nightmare at the best of times, never mind when there's a game on.
Quote from: meathie on February 03, 2024, 11:14:51 AMCan some Armagh folk advise here on best place to park for todays game? Will coming in through A28 I'd imagine.... Have never actually been to this pitch before! Is traffic generally mad? Thanks
If not coming via Newry,e,g, from north Meath, you may be coming via Castleblayney. There is a car park at the school near the ground, this is fine if you are not in a hurry away at the end, as it takes while to get out of it. There isn't much other parking on that side, so a bit of walk might be required.
Thanks a mill folks. Best of luck!
Quote from: armaghniac on February 03, 2024, 01:19:29 PMQuote from: meathie on February 03, 2024, 11:14:51 AMCan some Armagh folk advise here on best place to park for todays game? Will coming in through A28 I'd imagine.... Have never actually been to this pitch before! Is traffic generally mad? Thanks
If not coming via Newry,e,g, from north Meath, you may be coming via Castleblayney. There is a car park at the school near the ground, this is fine if you are not in a hurry away at the end, as it takes while to get out of it. There isn't much other parking on that side, so a bit of walk might be required.
wouldn't park in the car park at all nightmare to get out of.
There's a good crowd here in the Athletic Grounds.
Is that the goalkeeper Kildare had last year playing out the field tonight? Was he always an outfield player?
Half-time Armagh 1-8 0-5 Meath. Armagh at the usual ponderous play for the most part. Their one bit of adventurous play resulted in a goal for Cian McConville.
Getting roasted. Just don't have anyone to make the penetrating runs and threaten the Armagh goals.
Quote from: Dreadnought on February 03, 2024, 12:37:39 AMQuote from: seafoid on February 02, 2024, 02:19:31 PMDivision 2 is probably more interesting that Division 1 because whoever gets relegated will not be in the Sam Maguire
It's why this system is messed up and isn't right. Certain league games rank more for certain teams now than Championship games later in the year. It's silly and needs a rethink
A very good point.
Fermanagh 2-10
Kildare 0-12
In truth we should have won by more.
Good solid 12 point win for Armagh. Have to question how serious Meath are taking the league with them already into the All-Ireland group stage.
Good win for Fermanagh. Kildare in relegation trouble already.
Very good win for Armagh. Poor opposition. Can only beat what's in front of you tho
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 03, 2024, 07:45:57 PMGood solid 12 point win for Armagh. Have to question how serious Meath are taking the league with them already into the All-Ireland group stage.
Good win for Fermanagh. Kildare in relegation trouble already.
You would expect them to take it seriously - most are not expecting them to win provincial or AI and they will be back to where they were last year when this season concludes.
Quote from: Solo_run on February 03, 2024, 08:00:31 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 03, 2024, 07:45:57 PMGood solid 12 point win for Armagh. Have to question how serious Meath are taking the league with them already into the All-Ireland group stage.
Good win for Fermanagh. Kildare in relegation trouble already.
You would expect them to take it seriously - most are not expecting them to win provincial or AI and they will be back to where they were last year when this season concludes.
They aren't gonna do a thing in it based off tonight they'll get 3 hidings in the group.
Decent improvement from ourselves took a while to get going but 2-16 is good scoring.
Quote from: thejuice on February 03, 2024, 07:06:23 PMGetting roasted. Just don't have anyone to make the penetrating runs and threaten the Armagh goals.
The situation with Meath continues to be very depressing
Armagh were in complete control for the second half and won at their leisure. Thought young Oisin Conaty had a great game and covered some amount of ground.
Much improved Armagh performance. More intent in getting the ball forward fast, some super speedy forwards impressed, Oisin Conaty and Cian McConville adding a new dimension to Armagh's forward play. Any night you rack up a 12 pt win is a good night's work, onwards to Kildare in Carlow in two weeks time.
Quote from: balladmaker on February 03, 2024, 08:33:06 PMMuch improved Armagh performance. More intent in getting the ball forward fast, some super speedy forwards impressed, Oisin Conaty and Cian McConville adding a new dimension to Armagh's forward play. Any night you rack up a 12 pt win is a good night's work, onwards to Kildare in Carlow in two weeks time.
Though Meath were very poor after a bright start once Armagh got first goal that was game over.Conaty did brilliantly for first goal and kicked couple points.oisin o Neill also kicked nice score from bench.thought McCabe at 6 had good game also.
It's actually shocking that thon Meath team is the only one currently guaranteed to be in the running for Sam this year.
Can any Armagh lad or lass tell me whatever happened to Andrew Murnin
Quote from: Oraisteach on February 03, 2024, 11:36:58 PMCan any Armagh lad or lass tell me whatever happened to Andrew Murnin
He'll be back.
Quote from: balladmaker on February 03, 2024, 08:33:06 PMMuch improved Armagh performance. More intent in getting the ball forward fast, some super speedy forwards impressed, Oisin Conaty and Cian McConville adding a new dimension to Armagh's forward play. Any night you rack up a 12 pt win is a good night's work, onwards to Kildare in Carlow in two weeks time.
Great to see McConville and Conaty playing such a big role, these players will still be with us when Soupy and Grugan have retired. However, Meath aren't great though, Louth should aim to beat them.
I hope the Meath people still enjoyed a visit to the Athletic Grounds, attendance was give as 9033, not sure if this includes the many kids. When the place is at least half full it creates a good atmosphere, although the game was a foregone conclusion for much of the time, so it wasn't exactly exciting.
I have never attended a game in Carlow, so that alone will be interesting and Kildare are not doing so well either.
Quote from: Oraisteach on February 03, 2024, 11:36:58 PMCan any Armagh lad or lass tell me whatever happened to Andrew Murnin
He was with the squad yesterday
Just not stripped out
Are u16s free into the matches? I can't seem to find any reference to them on Ticketmaster. Student/oap = 15, adult = 20 is all they say.
Quote from: Itchy on February 04, 2024, 09:25:02 AMAre u16s free into the matches? I can't seem to find any reference to them on Ticketmaster. Student/oap = 15, adult = 20 is all they say.
No ticket required for u16s
Quote from: Tubberman on February 04, 2024, 10:10:45 AMQuote from: Itchy on February 04, 2024, 09:25:02 AMAre u16s free into the matches? I can't seem to find any reference to them on Ticketmaster. Student/oap = 15, adult = 20 is all they say.
No ticket required for u16s
Except for all ticket game!
Quote from: seafoid on February 03, 2024, 08:22:35 PMQuote from: thejuice on February 03, 2024, 07:06:23 PMGetting roasted. Just don't have anyone to make the penetrating runs and threaten the Armagh goals.
The situation with Meath continues to be very depressing
Tell me about it. It's like a "can I copy your homework" situation where I wish I could see what we're not doing that everyone else is. There's no logical reason to me why we aren't a D1 team given the resources and tradition we have. We have a strong fanbase that are crying out for a bit of success. I can only conclude our coaches aren't doing it right and not sure if O'Rourke is up to speed on the game the way it's played now.
Quote from: thejuice on February 04, 2024, 10:51:29 AMQuote from: seafoid on February 03, 2024, 08:22:35 PMQuote from: thejuice on February 03, 2024, 07:06:23 PMGetting roasted. Just don't have anyone to make the penetrating runs and threaten the Armagh goals.
The situation with Meath continues to be very depressing
Tell me about it. It's like a "can I copy your homework" situation where I wish I could see what we're not doing that everyone else is. There's no logical reason to me why we aren't a D1 team given the resources and tradition we have. We have a strong fanbase that are crying out for a bit of success. I can only conclude our coaches aren't doing it right and not sure if O'Rourke is up to speed on the game the way it's played now.
It took Galway a very long time to get back in the saddle. It was either not having the talent or too much chopping and changing or both. Building a team from nothing is very hard.
I read that Vikki Wall is now a key member of the 7 a side rugby squad that just won a world title and will be going to Paris. When things go well, everything goes well. When things don't nothing does.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrBRhQX2P0o
Quote from: armaghniac on February 04, 2024, 10:18:40 AMQuote from: Tubberman on February 04, 2024, 10:10:45 AMQuote from: Itchy on February 04, 2024, 09:25:02 AMAre u16s free into the matches? I can't seem to find any reference to them on Ticketmaster. Student/oap = 15, adult = 20 is all they say.
No ticket required for u16s
Except for all ticket game!
Yeah 5er for U16s to get into Celtic Park today
Major emergency at Cavan General today, all ambulances used up bringing severely injured Donegal players to A&E. All injuries occured in last 5 minutes.
Joking aside Cavan a little unlucky to not get the draw. Didnt win enough of our own kick outs in 2nd half and left wrong man marking Gallen for too long. But we never gave up and only for some shocking refereeing in injury time where ref called 5 minutes in which Donegal players feigned injury for at least 2 minutes which wasn't added on. Then last play Cavan win a mark from kick out (right in front of me) Donegal player grabs the ball from Cavan man mid air. Ref throws in ball and then immediately blows final whistle.
As poor a display of referring as I've seen in a few years. Then he did have Barry Cassidy advising him from the line so what hope did he have.
As for Donegal, Brolly called it puke football. 15 behind the ball all night, horrible to watch. They'll win nothing and as I suspected totally over hyped due to the return of the Messiah. More like the return of the anti Christ.
Quote from: Itchy on February 04, 2024, 09:10:29 PMMajor emergency at Cavan General today, all ambulances used up bringing severely injured Donegal players to A&E. All injuries occured in last 5 minutes.
Joking aside Cavan a little unlucky to not get the draw. Didnt win enough of our own kick outs in 2nd half and left wrong man marking Gallen for too long. But we never gave up and only for some shocking refereeing in injury time where ref called 5 minutes in which Donegal players feigned injury for at least 2 minutes which wasn't added on. Then last play Cavan win a mark from kick out (right in front of me) Donegal player grabs the ball from Cavan man mid air. Ref throws in ball and then immediately blows final whistle.
As poor a display of referring as I've seen in a few years. Then he did have Barry Cassidy advising him from the line so what hope did he have.
As for Donegal, Brolly called it puke football. 15 behind the ball all night, horrible to watch. They'll win nothing and as I suspected totally over hyped due to the return of the Messiah. More like the return of the anti Christ.
I am pleased to see you are taking that loss well.
Teams faking injury to break momentum and run down the clock isn't new, but a referee not adding on that time and essentially rewarding the behaviour is annoying. It takes a special effort of bad refereeing to have both the winning and losing teams approaching the ref to complain at full time.
Cavan paid Donegal a bit too much respect I thought and we should have been more forceful on the press when they were down to 14. Instead we stood off them a bit and ended up a point further behind in that period. When we went at them in the second half, we caused lots of problems. A few mistakes and poor individual performances let us down. We just didn't have a forward of Gallen's calibre.
Cavan play Cork in 2 weeks in what will be a huge game for both sides.
Quote from: Westside on February 04, 2024, 10:00:07 PMTeams faking injury to break momentum and run down the clock isn't new, but a referee not adding on that time and essentially rewarding the behaviour is annoying. It takes a special effort of bad refereeing to have both the winning and losing teams approaching the ref to complain at full time.
Cavan paid Donegal a bit too much respect I thought and we should have been more forceful on the press when they were down to 14. Instead we stood off them a bit and ended up a point further behind in that period. When we went at them in the second half, we caused lots of problems. A few mistakes and poor individual performances let us down. We just didn't have a forward of Gallen's calibre.
Cavan play Cork in 2 weeks in what will be a huge game for both sides.
How many quick kick outs for both teams did he stop because the ball wasn't lined up with the goals! Maybe 4 or 5 kickouts. He was terrible. And I'm not blaming him for the loss other than I think we would've got that score if he'd recorded the time properly. Cavan need to do some major work on retaining our own kick outs and we need to unearth a Full Back if Faulkner and Clarke are playing out the field.
Quote from: Itchy on February 04, 2024, 10:09:15 PMQuote from: Westside on February 04, 2024, 10:00:07 PMTeams faking injury to break momentum and run down the clock isn't new, but a referee not adding on that time and essentially rewarding the behaviour is annoying. It takes a special effort of bad refereeing to have both the winning and losing teams approaching the ref to complain at full time.
Cavan paid Donegal a bit too much respect I thought and we should have been more forceful on the press when they were down to 14. Instead we stood off them a bit and ended up a point further behind in that period. When we went at them in the second half, we caused lots of problems. A few mistakes and poor individual performances let us down. We just didn't have a forward of Gallen's calibre.
Cavan play Cork in 2 weeks in what will be a huge game for both sides.
How many quick kick outs for both teams did he stop because the ball wasn't lined up with the goals! Maybe 4 or 5 kickouts. He was terrible. And I'm not blaming him for the loss other than I think we would've got that score if he'd recorded the time properly. Cavan need to do some major work on retaining our own kick outs and we need to unearth a Full Back if Faulkner and Clarke are playing out the field.
Yeah we didn't compete well for breaking ball around the middle when we went long. A really good kickout strategy needs to be in place if we're going to play the type of football Ray is aiming for.
Are Eoin Clarke or Evan Crowe on the panel? Clarke clearly doesn't have the legs for midfield anymore. I'd leave him at full back.
Quote from: Westside on February 04, 2024, 10:19:08 PMQuote from: Itchy on February 04, 2024, 10:09:15 PMQuote from: Westside on February 04, 2024, 10:00:07 PMTeams faking injury to break momentum and run down the clock isn't new, but a referee not adding on that time and essentially rewarding the behaviour is annoying. It takes a special effort of bad refereeing to have both the winning and losing teams approaching the ref to complain at full time.
Cavan paid Donegal a bit too much respect I thought and we should have been more forceful on the press when they were down to 14. Instead we stood off them a bit and ended up a point further behind in that period. When we went at them in the second half, we caused lots of problems. A few mistakes and poor individual performances let us down. We just didn't have a forward of Gallen's calibre.
Cavan play Cork in 2 weeks in what will be a huge game for both sides.
How many quick kick outs for both teams did he stop because the ball wasn't lined up with the goals! Maybe 4 or 5 kickouts. He was terrible. And I'm not blaming him for the loss other than I think we would've got that score if he'd recorded the time properly. Cavan need to do some major work on retaining our own kick outs and we need to unearth a Full Back if Faulkner and Clarke are playing out the field.
Yeah we didn't compete well for breaking ball around the middle when we went long. A really good kickout strategy needs to be in place if we're going to play the type of football Ray is aiming for.
Are Eoin Clarke or Evan Crowe on the panel? Clarke clearly doesn't have the legs for midfield anymore. I'd leave him at full back.
That leaves a vacancy at midfield and I can tell you Ray was not happy with Donohoe, almost whipped him off after 20 mins but then did at half time. Galligan on at half time, did ok for 5 mins and then proceeded to have a nightmare before being whipped off himself.
Quote from: Derryman forever on February 04, 2024, 09:39:51 PMQuote from: Itchy on February 04, 2024, 09:10:29 PMMajor emergency at Cavan General today, all ambulances used up bringing severely injured Donegal players to A&E. All injuries occured in last 5 minutes.
Joking aside Cavan a little unlucky to not get the draw. Didnt win enough of our own kick outs in 2nd half and left wrong man marking Gallen for too long. But we never gave up and only for some shocking refereeing in injury time where ref called 5 minutes in which Donegal players feigned injury for at least 2 minutes which wasn't added on. Then last play Cavan win a mark from kick out (right in front of me) Donegal player grabs the ball from Cavan man mid air. Ref throws in ball and then immediately blows final whistle.
As poor a display of referring as I've seen in a few years. Then he did have Barry Cassidy advising him from the line so what hope did he have.
As for Donegal, Brolly called it puke football. 15 behind the ball all night, horrible to watch. They'll win nothing and as I suspected totally over hyped due to the return of the Messiah. More like the return of the anti Christ.
I am pleased to see you are taking that loss well.
Most Cavanites are actually fine with the result. Could or should have been a draw at least. We weren't given a hope all week or with the bookies, and really on this showing Donegal aren't all that and have a lot of work to do. The ref poor, feigning injury and all that. Shows we can compete here, so as we expected to lose this, it's not all bad
The years stuck competing in the Bibi Baskin Cup can do awful things to the mind
;D FFS lads, Donegal are a couple of league games into McGuinness's new tenure, of course we're "not all that" and we might never be. Personally, I was expecting a very tough game, based on meetings in recent years, based on Cavan beating Kildare away last week, based on it being an away league game in February, and based on us still finding our feet, trying out new players etc. etc. like most teams at this time of year. Spare us the "poor us, no one rates us!" whinging.
Quote from: J70 on February 05, 2024, 03:13:59 PM;D FFS lads, Donegal are a couple of league games into McGuinness's new tenure, of course we're "not all that" and we might never be. Personally, I was expecting a very tough game, based on meetings in recent years, based on Cavan beating Kildare away last week, based on it being an away league game in February, and based on us still finding our feet, trying out new players etc. etc. like most teams at this time of year. Spare us the "poor us, no one rates us!" whinging.
Versus a rookie manager though in his 2nd ever game?
Quote from: Dreadnought on February 05, 2024, 03:31:44 PMQuote from: J70 on February 05, 2024, 03:13:59 PM;D FFS lads, Donegal are a couple of league games into McGuinness's new tenure, of course we're "not all that" and we might never be. Personally, I was expecting a very tough game, based on meetings in recent years, based on Cavan beating Kildare away last week, based on it being an away league game in February, and based on us still finding our feet, trying out new players etc. etc. like most teams at this time of year. Spare us the "poor us, no one rates us!" whinging.
Versus a rookie manager though in his 2nd ever game?
I'm not sure I'm understanding.
So this perceived dismissal of Cavan you're all on about was reasonable then?
Quote from: J70 on February 05, 2024, 03:48:16 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 05, 2024, 03:31:44 PMQuote from: J70 on February 05, 2024, 03:13:59 PM;D FFS lads, Donegal are a couple of league games into McGuinness's new tenure, of course we're "not all that" and we might never be. Personally, I was expecting a very tough game, based on meetings in recent years, based on Cavan beating Kildare away last week, based on it being an away league game in February, and based on us still finding our feet, trying out new players etc. etc. like most teams at this time of year. Spare us the "poor us, no one rates us!" whinging.
Versus a rookie manager though in his 2nd ever game?
I'm not sure I'm understanding.
So this perceived dismissal of Cavan you're all on about was reasonable then?
Not at all. Just McGuinness is experienced, won titles before and all that. Of course they're not a finished team, neitehr are,you'd just expect more vs a team with a rookie manager.
Quote from: thejuice on February 04, 2024, 10:51:29 AMQuote from: seafoid on February 03, 2024, 08:22:35 PMQuote from: thejuice on February 03, 2024, 07:06:23 PMGetting roasted. Just don't have anyone to make the penetrating runs and threaten the Armagh goals.
The situation with Meath continues to be very depressing
Tell me about it. It's like a "can I copy your homework" situation where I wish I could see what we're not doing that everyone else is. There's no logical reason to me why we aren't a D1 team given the resources and tradition we have. We have a strong fanbase that are crying out for a bit of success. I can only conclude our coaches aren't doing it right and not sure if O'Rourke is up to speed on the game the way it's played now.
We are asking the same in Kildare. Poxy moaning about the Dubs and Croke Park while Fermanagh dominate us. We can hardly scream about their resources.
In Kildare we have even less of an excuse as we do OK at underage, but it all falls off then. There is a Messiah thing whereby it all falls on the manager. Geezer got all the love despite lads like Dermot Earley and Johnny Doyle doing the business. Then when the wheels come off it's all on the sideline. Players get an easy ride and to be honest they are not as good as we, or the pundits think.
This season is heading for a write-off already.
I know its only the league and long way to go yet, but outside the obvious few bigger teams Ulster sides are much stronger than the rest
Fitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.
Sure, blame the ref......
Quote from: Dreadnought on February 05, 2024, 04:08:37 PMQuote from: J70 on February 05, 2024, 03:48:16 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 05, 2024, 03:31:44 PMQuote from: J70 on February 05, 2024, 03:13:59 PM;D FFS lads, Donegal are a couple of league games into McGuinness's new tenure, of course we're "not all that" and we might never be. Personally, I was expecting a very tough game, based on meetings in recent years, based on Cavan beating Kildare away last week, based on it being an away league game in February, and based on us still finding our feet, trying out new players etc. etc. like most teams at this time of year. Spare us the "poor us, no one rates us!" whinging.
Versus a rookie manager though in his 2nd ever game?
I'm not sure I'm understanding.
So this perceived dismissal of Cavan you're all on about was reasonable then?
Not at all. Just McGuinness is experienced, won titles before and all that. Of course they're not a finished team, neitehr are,you'd just expect more vs a team with a rookie manager.
Well, luckily for Jim we in Donegal are not expecting instant miracles. ;)
What's out on the pitch has to be considered too. By the accounts I've read, some of our inexperienced players struggled against the Cavan physicality (and no, I'm not talking about Patton time wasting at the end), which is obviously something they'll have to learn to deal with at intercounty level. Systems and tactics will only take you so far. Individual skill and speed of thought have to be there and the physicality has to be developed too.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 05, 2024, 04:55:34 PMFitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.
Fair point. Very competitive.
Quote from: marty34 on February 05, 2024, 05:49:18 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 05, 2024, 04:55:34 PMFitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.
Fair point. Very competitive.
I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.
Quote from: Itchy on February 05, 2024, 09:00:41 PMQuote from: marty34 on February 05, 2024, 05:49:18 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 05, 2024, 04:55:34 PMFitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.
Fair point. Very competitive.
I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.
Exactly, we changed our line almost completely for each game of the O'Byrne Cup, younger lads are out playing Siegerson instead.
To be fair we're in the all Ireland series anyway so what we do in the league and Leinster won't change that.
O'Rourke can bide his time until then but we should be challenging for Division 1 if we're going to do anything in the summer. Though when Colm was playing Sean Boylan never took the league that seriously. I wonder if that's Colm's perspective too.
Quote from: Itchy on February 05, 2024, 09:00:41 PMQuote from: marty34 on February 05, 2024, 05:49:18 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 05, 2024, 04:55:34 PMFitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.
Fair point. Very competitive.
I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.
How is it?
It's a competitive competition. It's Ulster. Not so long ago there was 16, 000 at a Tyrone V Armagh Mc Kenna Cup game.
The problem is the uncompetitiveness of the other provinces. They're brutal. Similar to championship.
Quote from: marty34 on February 05, 2024, 11:01:44 PMQuote from: Itchy on February 05, 2024, 09:00:41 PMQuote from: marty34 on February 05, 2024, 05:49:18 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 05, 2024, 04:55:34 PMFitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.
Fair point. Very competitive.
I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.
How is it?
It's a competitive competition. It's Ulster. Not so long ago there was 16, 000 at a Tyrone V Armagh Mc Kenna Cup game.
The problem is the uncompetitiveness of the other provinces. They're brutal. Similar to championship.
Im not arguing that me the McKenna Cup is more competitive than the others, it clearly is. But that is simply due to managers of the teams involved. The teams in other provinces could do the same and then wouldnt be at the supposed disadvantage that Fitzmaurice bemoans.
Quote from: thejuice on February 05, 2024, 10:43:14 PMQuote from: Itchy on February 05, 2024, 09:00:41 PMQuote from: marty34 on February 05, 2024, 05:49:18 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 05, 2024, 04:55:34 PMFitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.
Fair point. Very competitive.
I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.
Exactly, we changed our line almost completely for each game of the O'Byrne Cup, younger lads are out playing Siegerson instead.
To be fair we're in the all Ireland series anyway so what we do in the league and Leinster won't change that.
O'Rourke can bide his time until then but we should be challenging for Division 1 if we're going to do anything in the summer. Though when Colm was playing Sean Boylan never took the league that seriously. I wonder if that's Colm's perspective too.
Serious question here as i don't know the answer...So Meath are in for Sam this year for winning the Tailteann Cup and for that reason are not taking the league as serious as the rest of the teams in Division 2 (well not yet, maybe the last 2-3 games). I get that too. However, if Meath were to get relegated from Div 2 and we all know you're not going to win Leinster never mind Sam, will that mean for 2025 for being in Div 3 you will be back in the Tailteann Cup?.
Quote from: Itchy on February 06, 2024, 08:14:45 AMQuote from: marty34 on February 05, 2024, 11:01:44 PMQuote from: Itchy on February 05, 2024, 09:00:41 PMQuote from: marty34 on February 05, 2024, 05:49:18 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 05, 2024, 04:55:34 PMFitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.
Fair point. Very competitive.
I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.
How is it?
It's a competitive competition. It's Ulster. Not so long ago there was 16, 000 at a Tyrone V Armagh Mc Kenna Cup game.
The problem is the uncompetitiveness of the other provinces. They're brutal. Similar to championship.
Im not arguing that me the McKenna Cup is more competitive than the others, it clearly is. But that is simply due to managers of the teams involved. The teams in other provinces could do the same and then wouldnt be at the supposed disadvantage that Fitzmaurice bemoans.
I think the point being made is even if the managers wanted to make it competitive they couldnt due to the huge gap between the best and the rest in the Province.
Quote from: thejuice on February 05, 2024, 10:43:14 PMQuote from: Itchy on February 05, 2024, 09:00:41 PMQuote from: marty34 on February 05, 2024, 05:49:18 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 05, 2024, 04:55:34 PMFitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.
Fair point. Very competitive.
I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.
Exactly, we changed our line almost completely for each game of the O'Byrne Cup, younger lads are out playing Siegerson instead.
To be fair we're in the all Ireland series anyway so what we do in the league and Leinster won't change that.
O'Rourke can bide his time until then but we should be challenging for Division 1 if we're going to do anything in the summer. Though when Colm was playing Sean Boylan never took the league that seriously. I wonder if that's Colm's perspective too.
Meath need a stronger panel for the summer. D2 is a safer place to test inexperienced players. Maybe Meath won't need it in a year or two. O'Rourke has to use all the tools available.
Quote from: illdecide on February 06, 2024, 09:36:20 AMQuote from: thejuice on February 05, 2024, 10:43:14 PMQuote from: Itchy on February 05, 2024, 09:00:41 PMQuote from: marty34 on February 05, 2024, 05:49:18 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 05, 2024, 04:55:34 PMFitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.
Fair point. Very competitive.
I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.
Exactly, we changed our line almost completely for each game of the O'Byrne Cup, younger lads are out playing Siegerson instead.
To be fair we're in the all Ireland series anyway so what we do in the league and Leinster won't change that.
O'Rourke can bide his time until then but we should be challenging for Division 1 if we're going to do anything in the summer. Though when Colm was playing Sean Boylan never took the league that seriously. I wonder if that's Colm's perspective too.
Serious question here as i don't know the answer...So Meath are in for Sam this year for winning the Tailteann Cup and for that reason are not taking the league as serious as the rest of the teams in Division 2 (well not yet, maybe the last 2-3 games). I get that too. However, if Meath were to get relegated from Div 2 and we all know you're not going to win Leinster never mind Sam, will that mean for 2025 for being in Div 3 you will be back in the Tailteann Cup?.
Do you think Meath arent taking it seriously or are Meath not just that good? I would say the latter. They still have time to get the points as in fairness the lost to Armagh who are one of the best in the division. If they lose to Louth they will be in big bother I would say.
The Louth game will be very interesting. They drew with Fermanagh who tbh most people would have predicted for relegation and probably bottom of the league. Louth don't look to have dropped off significantly either and that will be a real fight.
I don't think Meath can really afford to mess about in the league but I'm not even sure that's what they're doing.
Quote from: illdecide on February 06, 2024, 09:36:20 AMQuote from: thejuice on February 05, 2024, 10:43:14 PMQuote from: Itchy on February 05, 2024, 09:00:41 PMQuote from: marty34 on February 05, 2024, 05:49:18 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 05, 2024, 04:55:34 PMFitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.
Fair point. Very competitive.
I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.
Exactly, we changed our line almost completely for each game of the O'Byrne Cup, younger lads are out playing Siegerson instead.
To be fair we're in the all Ireland series anyway so what we do in the league and Leinster won't change that.
O'Rourke can bide his time until then but we should be challenging for Division 1 if we're going to do anything in the summer. Though when Colm was playing Sean Boylan never took the league that seriously. I wonder if that's Colm's perspective too.
Serious question here as i don't know the answer...So Meath are in for Sam this year for winning the Tailteann Cup and for that reason are not taking the league as serious as the rest of the teams in Division 2 (well not yet, maybe the last 2-3 games). I get that too. However, if Meath were to get relegated from Div 2 and we all know you're not going to win Leinster never mind Sam, will that mean for 2025 for being in Div 3 you will be back in the Tailteann Cup?.
Always the possibility of getting promoted and/or getting to leinster final 2025.
I expect in years to come as things even out, that bulk of teams making finals are from the top 2 divisions. Was a quirk last year that the Tailteann winner (Westmeath) didn't get promoted and Sligo and Clare got to finals which meant the 2 promoted Div3 teams (Cavan and Fermanagh) and then 6th in Div2 (Meath) missed out. Might be rare to see this again. I expect at least one promoted Div3 side to make it in this year
Quote from: Dreadnought on February 06, 2024, 12:28:08 PMQuote from: illdecide on February 06, 2024, 09:36:20 AMQuote from: thejuice on February 05, 2024, 10:43:14 PMQuote from: Itchy on February 05, 2024, 09:00:41 PMQuote from: marty34 on February 05, 2024, 05:49:18 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 05, 2024, 04:55:34 PMFitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.
Fair point. Very competitive.
I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.
Exactly, we changed our line almost completely for each game of the O'Byrne Cup, younger lads are out playing Siegerson instead.
To be fair we're in the all Ireland series anyway so what we do in the league and Leinster won't change that.
O'Rourke can bide his time until then but we should be challenging for Division 1 if we're going to do anything in the summer. Though when Colm was playing Sean Boylan never took the league that seriously. I wonder if that's Colm's perspective too.
Serious question here as i don't know the answer...So Meath are in for Sam this year for winning the Tailteann Cup and for that reason are not taking the league as serious as the rest of the teams in Division 2 (well not yet, maybe the last 2-3 games). I get that too. However, if Meath were to get relegated from Div 2 and we all know you're not going to win Leinster never mind Sam, will that mean for 2025 for being in Div 3 you will be back in the Tailteann Cup?.
Always the possibility of getting promoted and/or getting to leinster final 2025.
I expect in years to come as things even out, that bulk of teams making finals are from the top 2 divisions. Was a quirk last year that the Tailteann winner (Westmeath) didn't get promoted and Sligo and Clare got to finals which meant the 2 promoted Div3 teams (Cavan and Fermanagh) and then 6th in Div2 (Meath) missed out. Might be rare to see this again. I expect at least one promoted Div3 side to make it in this year
I disagree. It is conceivable that Kildare and Meath could finish in relegation. Meath are already assured of a place in the All Ireland series. Kildare have a pretty good chance to make a Leinster final. Clare/Tipp/Waterford all on one side in Munster. So it is reasonable to assume the two promoted teams will stay in Tailteann and also the 6th placed team in Div 2 could also end up there. The obscure draws in Munster and Connacht at times is making a balls of the whole thing.
It should only be provincial winners making the All-Ireland if they don't qualify automatically through league position
Quote from: tintin25 on February 06, 2024, 12:56:38 PMIt should only be provincial winners making the All-Ireland if they don't qualify automatically through league position
Disagree. Why reward League form from months before against reaching a final? We still need to reward Championship and getting to a final is still something. Like my own team Cavan could beat Monaghan, Tyrone, Derry but lose to Armagh in an Ulster final and miss out on Sam due to League results from 3 months before? Beat 3 Division 1 teams in Championship but still miss out due to League? Nah...
Quote from: Itchy on February 06, 2024, 12:48:06 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 06, 2024, 12:28:08 PMQuote from: illdecide on February 06, 2024, 09:36:20 AMQuote from: thejuice on February 05, 2024, 10:43:14 PMQuote from: Itchy on February 05, 2024, 09:00:41 PMQuote from: marty34 on February 05, 2024, 05:49:18 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 05, 2024, 04:55:34 PMFitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.
Fair point. Very competitive.
I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.
Exactly, we changed our line almost completely for each game of the O'Byrne Cup, younger lads are out playing Siegerson instead.
To be fair we're in the all Ireland series anyway so what we do in the league and Leinster won't change that.
O'Rourke can bide his time until then but we should be challenging for Division 1 if we're going to do anything in the summer. Though when Colm was playing Sean Boylan never took the league that seriously. I wonder if that's Colm's perspective too.
Serious question here as i don't know the answer...So Meath are in for Sam this year for winning the Tailteann Cup and for that reason are not taking the league as serious as the rest of the teams in Division 2 (well not yet, maybe the last 2-3 games). I get that too. However, if Meath were to get relegated from Div 2 and we all know you're not going to win Leinster never mind Sam, will that mean for 2025 for being in Div 3 you will be back in the Tailteann Cup?.
Always the possibility of getting promoted and/or getting to leinster final 2025.
I expect in years to come as things even out, that bulk of teams making finals are from the top 2 divisions. Was a quirk last year that the Tailteann winner (Westmeath) didn't get promoted and Sligo and Clare got to finals which meant the 2 promoted Div3 teams (Cavan and Fermanagh) and then 6th in Div2 (Meath) missed out. Might be rare to see this again. I expect at least one promoted Div3 side to make it in this year
I disagree. It is conceivable that Kildare and Meath could finish in relegation. Meath are already assured of a place in the All Ireland series. Kildare have a pretty good chance to make a Leinster final. Clare/Tipp/Waterford all on one side in Munster. So it is reasonable to assume the two promoted teams will stay in Tailteann and also the 6th placed team in Div 2 could also end up there. The obscure draws in Munster and Connacht at times is making a balls of the whole thing.
Yeah get you there actually. Does depend on a lot happening for that to occur. Should say that I think they need to readjust provincials to prevent that happening. Like Munster draw is odd as they seed last years finalists which creates and perpetuates it happening over and again.
Quote from: Dreadnought on February 06, 2024, 01:00:30 PMQuote from: tintin25 on February 06, 2024, 12:56:38 PMIt should only be provincial winners making the All-Ireland if they don't qualify automatically through league position
Disagree. Why reward League form from months before against reaching a final? We still need to reward Championship and getting to a final is still something. Like my own team Cavan could beat Monaghan, Tyrone, Derry but lose to Armagh in an Ulster final and miss out on Sam due to League results from 3 months before? Beat 3 Division 1 teams in Championship but still miss out due to League? Nah...
Perhaps the rule could be modified that Provincial finalists would only get into Sam if they had beaten a team in Sam en route to that final. This would have ruled out Sligo last year, but would likely continue to ensure that the Ulster finalists would qualify as you could not reach the final without beating a team in Sam and would still reward any giant killing teams in other provinces.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2024, 02:19:45 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 06, 2024, 01:00:30 PMQuote from: tintin25 on February 06, 2024, 12:56:38 PMIt should only be provincial winners making the All-Ireland if they don't qualify automatically through league position
Disagree. Why reward League form from months before against reaching a final? We still need to reward Championship and getting to a final is still something. Like my own team Cavan could beat Monaghan, Tyrone, Derry but lose to Armagh in an Ulster final and miss out on Sam due to League results from 3 months before? Beat 3 Division 1 teams in Championship but still miss out due to League? Nah...
Perhaps the rule could be modified that Provincial finalists would only get into Sam if they had beaten a team in Sam en route to that final. This would have ruled out Sligo last year, but would likely continue to ensure that the Ulster finalists would qualify as you could not reach the final without beating a team in Sam and would still reward any giant killing teams in other provinces.
Thats not a bad idea.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2024, 02:19:45 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 06, 2024, 01:00:30 PMQuote from: tintin25 on February 06, 2024, 12:56:38 PMIt should only be provincial winners making the All-Ireland if they don't qualify automatically through league position
Disagree. Why reward League form from months before against reaching a final? We still need to reward Championship and getting to a final is still something. Like my own team Cavan could beat Monaghan, Tyrone, Derry but lose to Armagh in an Ulster final and miss out on Sam due to League results from 3 months before? Beat 3 Division 1 teams in Championship but still miss out due to League? Nah...
Perhaps the rule could be modified that Provincial finalists would only get into Sam if they had beaten a team in Sam en route to that final. This would have ruled out Sligo last year, but would likely continue to ensure that the Ulster finalists would qualify as you could not reach the final without beating a team in Sam and would still reward any giant killing teams in other provinces.
That's a fair idea. I like it. Definitely a way to reward Championship results that matter, while preventing handy runs to finals and pushing others out who may deserve it more overall
Quote from: Dreadnought on February 06, 2024, 04:01:45 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2024, 02:19:45 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 06, 2024, 01:00:30 PMQuote from: tintin25 on February 06, 2024, 12:56:38 PMIt should only be provincial winners making the All-Ireland if they don't qualify automatically through league position
Disagree. Why reward League form from months before against reaching a final? We still need to reward Championship and getting to a final is still something. Like my own team Cavan could beat Monaghan, Tyrone, Derry but lose to Armagh in an Ulster final and miss out on Sam due to League results from 3 months before? Beat 3 Division 1 teams in Championship but still miss out due to League? Nah...
Perhaps the rule could be modified that Provincial finalists would only get into Sam if they had beaten a team in Sam en route to that final. This would have ruled out Sligo last year, but would likely continue to ensure that the Ulster finalists would qualify as you could not reach the final without beating a team in Sam and would still reward any giant killing teams in other provinces.
That's a fair idea. I like it. Definitely a way to reward Championship results that matter, while preventing handy runs to finals and pushing others out who may deserve it more overall
You'd probably have to just say that you have to beat a Div 1 or Div 2 team to avoid some kind of odd situation about teams at the bottom of Div 2.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2024, 06:09:44 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 06, 2024, 04:01:45 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2024, 02:19:45 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 06, 2024, 01:00:30 PMQuote from: tintin25 on February 06, 2024, 12:56:38 PMIt should only be provincial winners making the All-Ireland if they don't qualify automatically through league position
Disagree. Why reward League form from months before against reaching a final? We still need to reward Championship and getting to a final is still something. Like my own team Cavan could beat Monaghan, Tyrone, Derry but lose to Armagh in an Ulster final and miss out on Sam due to League results from 3 months before? Beat 3 Division 1 teams in Championship but still miss out due to League? Nah...
Perhaps the rule could be modified that Provincial finalists would only get into Sam if they had beaten a team in Sam en route to that final. This would have ruled out Sligo last year, but would likely continue to ensure that the Ulster finalists would qualify as you could not reach the final without beating a team in Sam and would still reward any giant killing teams in other provinces.
That's a fair idea. I like it. Definitely a way to reward Championship results that matter, while preventing handy runs to finals and pushing others out who may deserve it more overall
You'd probably have to just say that you have to beat a Div 1 or Div 2 team to avoid some kind of odd situation about teams at the bottom of Div 2.
They should dump the league and play the provincial championships now and play full open draw Championship. The provincial link to Sam is way too convoluted.
Quote from: seafoid on February 06, 2024, 09:45:16 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2024, 06:09:44 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 06, 2024, 04:01:45 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2024, 02:19:45 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 06, 2024, 01:00:30 PMQuote from: tintin25 on February 06, 2024, 12:56:38 PMIt should only be provincial winners making the All-Ireland if they don't qualify automatically through league position
Disagree. Why reward League form from months before against reaching a final? We still need to reward Championship and getting to a final is still something. Like my own team Cavan could beat Monaghan, Tyrone, Derry but lose to Armagh in an Ulster final and miss out on Sam due to League results from 3 months before? Beat 3 Division 1 teams in Championship but still miss out due to League? Nah...
Perhaps the rule could be modified that Provincial finalists would only get into Sam if they had beaten a team in Sam en route to that final. This would have ruled out Sligo last year, but would likely continue to ensure that the Ulster finalists would qualify as you could not reach the final without beating a team in Sam and would still reward any giant killing teams in other provinces.
That's a fair idea. I like it. Definitely a way to reward Championship results that matter, while preventing handy runs to finals and pushing others out who may deserve it more overall
You'd probably have to just say that you have to beat a Div 1 or Div 2 team to avoid some kind of odd situation about teams at the bottom of Div 2.
They should dump the league and play the provincial championships now and play full open draw Championship. The provincial link to Sam is way too convoluted.
I was never a fan of linking League to Championship the way they have done it as it rewards results in the wrong competition, even above the one you're currently playing in. Saying that, by unlinking provincials, they kill that too. The current system with a few tweaks would be fine.
The recommendation above to weight beating D1/D2 teams better in Championship fixes a major fault in this - as seen last year and this year when some teams might waltz to a Connacht or Munster final without playing anyone of consequence. For better or worse, the provincials are not equal, so we do need rules to ensure we have balance in qualification. Be that seeding the draws (ensuring at least one D1/D2 side is on each side of the draw, meaning to reach a final you need to be one or beat one), or the likes of above, or a combination of a few things. It's not right as it is, we all can see that.
Quote from: Dreadnought on February 07, 2024, 08:27:25 AMQuote from: seafoid on February 06, 2024, 09:45:16 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2024, 06:09:44 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 06, 2024, 04:01:45 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2024, 02:19:45 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 06, 2024, 01:00:30 PMQuote from: tintin25 on February 06, 2024, 12:56:38 PMIt should only be provincial winners making the All-Ireland if they don't qualify automatically through league position
Disagree. Why reward League form from months before against reaching a final? We still need to reward Championship and getting to a final is still something. Like my own team Cavan could beat Monaghan, Tyrone, Derry but lose to Armagh in an Ulster final and miss out on Sam due to League results from 3 months before? Beat 3 Division 1 teams in Championship but still miss out due to League? Nah...
Perhaps the rule could be modified that Provincial finalists would only get into Sam if they had beaten a team in Sam en route to that final. This would have ruled out Sligo last year, but would likely continue to ensure that the Ulster finalists would qualify as you could not reach the final without beating a team in Sam and would still reward any giant killing teams in other provinces.
That's a fair idea. I like it. Definitely a way to reward Championship results that matter, while preventing handy runs to finals and pushing others out who may deserve it more overall
You'd probably have to just say that you have to beat a Div 1 or Div 2 team to avoid some kind of odd situation about teams at the bottom of Div 2.
They should dump the league and play the provincial championships now and play full open draw Championship. The provincial link to Sam is way too convoluted.
I was never a fan of linking League to Championship the way they have done it as it rewards results in the wrong competition, even above the one you're currently playing in. Saying that, by unlinking provincials, they kill that too. The current system with a few tweaks would be fine.
The recommendation above to weight beating D1/D2 teams better in Championship fixes a major fault in this - as seen last year and this year when some teams might waltz to a Connacht or Munster final without playing anyone of consequence. For better or worse, the provincials are not equal, so we do need rules to ensure we have balance in qualification. Be that seeding the draws (ensuring at least one D1/D2 side is on each side of the draw, meaning to reach a final you need to be one or beat one), or the likes of above, or a combination of a few things. It's not right as it is, we all can see that.
Allowing provincial winners into the competition doesn't really change anything because the Sam Maguire isn't based on optimal competition. It favours the stronger counties and always has.
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2024, 10:40:39 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 07, 2024, 08:27:25 AMQuote from: seafoid on February 06, 2024, 09:45:16 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2024, 06:09:44 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 06, 2024, 04:01:45 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 06, 2024, 02:19:45 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 06, 2024, 01:00:30 PMQuote from: tintin25 on February 06, 2024, 12:56:38 PMIt should only be provincial winners making the All-Ireland if they don't qualify automatically through league position
Disagree. Why reward League form from months before against reaching a final? We still need to reward Championship and getting to a final is still something. Like my own team Cavan could beat Monaghan, Tyrone, Derry but lose to Armagh in an Ulster final and miss out on Sam due to League results from 3 months before? Beat 3 Division 1 teams in Championship but still miss out due to League? Nah...
Perhaps the rule could be modified that Provincial finalists would only get into Sam if they had beaten a team in Sam en route to that final. This would have ruled out Sligo last year, but would likely continue to ensure that the Ulster finalists would qualify as you could not reach the final without beating a team in Sam and would still reward any giant killing teams in other provinces.
That's a fair idea. I like it. Definitely a way to reward Championship results that matter, while preventing handy runs to finals and pushing others out who may deserve it more overall
You'd probably have to just say that you have to beat a Div 1 or Div 2 team to avoid some kind of odd situation about teams at the bottom of Div 2.
They should dump the league and play the provincial championships now and play full open draw Championship. The provincial link to Sam is way too convoluted.
I was never a fan of linking League to Championship the way they have done it as it rewards results in the wrong competition, even above the one you're currently playing in. Saying that, by unlinking provincials, they kill that too. The current system with a few tweaks would be fine.
The recommendation above to weight beating D1/D2 teams better in Championship fixes a major fault in this - as seen last year and this year when some teams might waltz to a Connacht or Munster final without playing anyone of consequence. For better or worse, the provincials are not equal, so we do need rules to ensure we have balance in qualification. Be that seeding the draws (ensuring at least one D1/D2 side is on each side of the draw, meaning to reach a final you need to be one or beat one), or the likes of above, or a combination of a few things. It's not right as it is, we all can see that.
Allowing provincial winners into the competition doesn't really change anything because the Sam Maguire isn't based on optimal competition. It favours the stronger counties and always has.
It changes it if you unlink and then there's no benefit to winning it. Then the stronger counties ignore it. To keep the provincials, you still need some carrot
Obvious tweak is to only allow Provincial CHAMPIONS automatic entry to Sam (also previous year's Sam and Tailteann Champions).
Then go down the League till you get 16.
PS I'm not sure how we'd fix Seafín's problem that only strong teams win Sam.....
Quote from: Rossfan on February 07, 2024, 11:24:13 AMObvious tweak is to only allow Provincial CHAMPIONS automatic entry to Sam (also previous year's Sam and Tailteann Champions).
Then go down the League till you get 16.
PS I'm not sure how we'd fix Seafín's problem that only strong teams win Sam.....
When is the last time a BMW county south of Donegal won Sam ? Offaly was the last beag bideach county to win Sam and that was over 40 years ago. The GAA isn''t interested in competition like other sports are- 6N, US football, even the EPL. Fans don't seem bothered either. In February everyone thinks it could happen this year.
Dublin and Kerry win over 50% of titles.
It is difficult to free football fans from the chains they revere.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 07, 2024, 11:24:13 AMObvious tweak is to only allow Provincial CHAMPIONS automatic entry to Sam (also previous year's Sam and Tailteann Champions).
Then go down the League till you get 16.
PS I'm not sure how we'd fix Seafín's problem that only strong teams win Sam.....
Haven't we already established that you'd be rewarding League results from many months before, but not actual Championship held right there and then? I don't get this logic of League being so important as to let it lead a Championship more than the actual Championship currently being played
Kerry, Donegal and Mayowestros with their economies, logistics, distances and other disadvantages shouldn't be top football Counties while Kildare and Meath should be.
What do you propose?
Handicap system? Big Counties start games on a minus score, small ones on a plus score?
Set up area teams based on 100k populations? What about the Hurley Counties then?
PS Dreadnought, the problem is two of the Provincials are non events.
Quote from: seafoid on February 07, 2024, 11:40:27 AMQuote from: Rossfan on February 07, 2024, 11:24:13 AMObvious tweak is to only allow Provincial CHAMPIONS automatic entry to Sam (also previous year's Sam and Tailteann Champions).
Then go down the League till you get 16.
PS I'm not sure how we'd fix Seafín's problem that only strong teams win Sam.....
When is the last time a BMW county south of Donegal won Sam ? Offaly was the last beag bideach county to win Sam and that was over 40 years ago. The GAA isn''t interested in competition like other sports are- 6N, US football, even the EPL. Fans don't seem bothered either. In February everyone thinks it could happen this year.
Dublin and Kerry win over 50% of titles.
It is difficult to free football fans from the chains they revere.
I agree. There needs to be more done. For all the talk of split Championship being great, it actually widens the divide. Lower teams won't get better by only playing each other. gaps widen this way. I believe this started happening when we went the 4 division model in 2008, as it allows the better teams to stay up top, play each other all the time, and then pull the ladder up. it's very hard for teams to break into that and stay there. I think the old A and B model works best. Split Div1 and 2 over 1A and 1B, and same for next down. Promote 4 teams up and down and give actual opportunities for mixing each year. Rework Championship after provincials to include all, and then split it some way halfway through on results so top go to Sam, rest to Tailteann and run them off. We will never progress the game properly with this current model of top teams playing themselves only apart from the rare provincial match
Quote from: Rossfan on February 07, 2024, 12:03:26 PMKerry, Donegal and Mayowestros with their economies, logistics, distances and other disadvantages shouldn't be top football Counties while Kildare and Meath should be.
What do you propose?
Handicap system? Big Counties start games on a minus score, small ones on a plus score?
Set up area teams based on 100k populations? What about the Hurley Counties then?
PS Dreadnought, the problem is two of the Provincials are non events.
Yes but by same means 2 of them are (and 1 has potential for getting back on track if Leinster teams get their act together). You can seed from them so they still have worth
Quote from: Dreadnought on February 07, 2024, 12:09:51 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 07, 2024, 11:40:27 AMQuote from: Rossfan on February 07, 2024, 11:24:13 AMObvious tweak is to only allow Provincial CHAMPIONS automatic entry to Sam (also previous year's Sam and Tailteann Champions).
Then go down the League till you get 16.
PS I'm not sure how we'd fix Seafín's problem that only strong teams win Sam.....
When is the last time a BMW county south of Donegal won Sam ? Offaly was the last beag bideach county to win Sam and that was over 40 years ago. The GAA isn''t interested in competition like other sports are- 6N, US football, even the EPL. Fans don't seem bothered either. In February everyone thinks it could happen this year.
Dublin and Kerry win over 50% of titles.
It is difficult to free football fans from the chains they revere.
I agree. There needs to be more done. For all the talk of split Championship being great, it actually widens the divide. Lower teams won't get better by only playing each other. gaps widen this way. I believe this started happening when we went the 4 division model in 2008, as it allows the better teams to stay up top, play each other all the time, and then pull the ladder up. it's very hard for teams to break into that and stay there. I think the old A and B model works best. Split Div1 and 2 over 1A and 1B, and same for next down. Promote 4 teams up and down and give actual opportunities for mixing each year. Rework Championship after provincials to include all, and then split it some way halfway through on results so top go to Sam, rest to Tailteann and run them off. We will never progress the game properly with this current model of top teams playing themselves only apart from the rare provincial match
The way the leagues are now is a brilliant system.
If we went back to the the 1A and 1B formats interest levels would greatly reduce. Sure why not just throw everyone into division 1 and call them 1A B C & D.
Derry have shown what can be done with the correct structures in place going from Division 4 to division 1. Louth something similar even Limerick spent a a year in division 2.
Unfortunately there will always be some predominately hurling counties languishing in division 4 but a lot of counties have spent a period in the top 2 divisions since the system has been brought in.
Quote from: Dreadnought on February 07, 2024, 12:11:28 PMQuote from: Rossfan on February 07, 2024, 12:03:26 PMKerry, Donegal and Mayowestros with their economies, logistics, distances and other disadvantages shouldn't be top football Counties while Kildare and Meath should be.
What do you propose?
Handicap system? Big Counties start games on a minus score, small ones on a plus score?
Set up area teams based on 100k populations? What about the Hurley Counties then?
PS Dreadnought, the problem is two of the Provincials are non events.
Yes but by same means 2 of them are (and 1 has potential for getting back on track if Leinster teams get their act together). You can seed from them so they still have worth
Connaught championship is not as exciting as people make out either its always going to be swapped between 3 teams
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 07, 2024, 02:21:30 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 07, 2024, 12:09:51 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 07, 2024, 11:40:27 AMQuote from: Rossfan on February 07, 2024, 11:24:13 AMObvious tweak is to only allow Provincial CHAMPIONS automatic entry to Sam (also previous year's Sam and Tailteann Champions).
Then go down the League till you get 16.
PS I'm not sure how we'd fix Seafín's problem that only strong teams win Sam.....
When is the last time a BMW county south of Donegal won Sam ? Offaly was the last beag bideach county to win Sam and that was over 40 years ago. The GAA isn''t interested in competition like other sports are- 6N, US football, even the EPL. Fans don't seem bothered either. In February everyone thinks it could happen this year.
Dublin and Kerry win over 50% of titles.
It is difficult to free football fans from the chains they revere.
I agree. There needs to be more done. For all the talk of split Championship being great, it actually widens the divide. Lower teams won't get better by only playing each other. gaps widen this way. I believe this started happening when we went the 4 division model in 2008, as it allows the better teams to stay up top, play each other all the time, and then pull the ladder up. it's very hard for teams to break into that and stay there. I think the old A and B model works best. Split Div1 and 2 over 1A and 1B, and same for next down. Promote 4 teams up and down and give actual opportunities for mixing each year. Rework Championship after provincials to include all, and then split it some way halfway through on results so top go to Sam, rest to Tailteann and run them off. We will never progress the game properly with this current model of top teams playing themselves only apart from the rare provincial match
The way the leagues are now is a brilliant system.
If we went back to the the 1A and 1B formats interest levels would greatly reduce. Sure why not just throw everyone into division 1 and call them 1A B C & D.
Derry have shown what can be done with the correct structures in place going from Division 4 to division 1. Louth something similar even Limerick spent a a year in division 2.
Unfortunately there will always be some predominately hurling counties languishing in division 4 but a lot of counties have spent a period in the top 2 divisions since the system has been brought in.
The leagues right now are brilliant for the top teams as they play each other, get all media exposure and highlights and so on. The games are also inequitable. Certain Division 2 and 3 games means more vs Championship because of the format for which championship you go into, while Div1 don't need to worry about that really.
We also have to consider what we want from our Leagues. If it's for the best to become better, to make it harder to bridge gaps, cut off teams adrift at the bottom, then it is doing it's job perfectly. If we want it as our secondary competition, to expose more lower ranked teams to higher ones, to bring the game on and such then we need to adjust it. That is clear. 4 divisions stacked on top of each other don;t work well. We need to expose other teams more. We've not made any adjustments for 17 seasons now, and the gap is only widening. Doing the same things over and over and expecting different results is silly. 16 team Divisions 1 and 2 split into A and B means a good mix of teams and potential to move up and down levels annually and there's jeopardy for all sides
Quote from: Eire90 on February 07, 2024, 02:33:45 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 07, 2024, 12:11:28 PMQuote from: Rossfan on February 07, 2024, 12:03:26 PMKerry, Donegal and Mayowestros with their economies, logistics, distances and other disadvantages shouldn't be top football Counties while Kildare and Meath should be.
What do you propose?
Handicap system? Big Counties start games on a minus score, small ones on a plus score?
Set up area teams based on 100k populations? What about the Hurley Counties then?
PS Dreadnought, the problem is two of the Provincials are non events.
Yes but by same means 2 of them are (and 1 has potential for getting back on track if Leinster teams get their act together). You can seed from them so they still have worth
Connaught championship is not as exciting as people make out either its always going to be swapped between 3 teams
3 out of them ain't bad. And we've had Sligo win in recent past, and different ones like London even get to finals not long ago. Not perfect, but certainly better than some
The great strength of the GAA is identity. "They will be rembered by their people". There is nothing like winning the all Ireland because it is geographically rooted . And every summer the GAA season is intoxicating even for counties that never win anything. So it will probably never change. The only way to turn losers into winners under the system is to rewire the psychology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33Mr5JV49tg&t=420s
An article from Pilly Mc and then this from RTÉ on Kildare in the space of a week...
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0209/1431485-kildare-failing-to-harness-enormous-potential/
Things are bad at the minute but you'd hope some outside attention might be a reality check. The feckin Armagh game is live on TG4 too, so more national coverage.
We talk a lot of good players, but we don't have enough relaible lads. Can I ask other posters here - your county men stand out for the clubs every week?
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 12, 2024, 01:07:51 PMAn article from Pilly Mc and then this from RTÉ on Kildare in the space of a week...
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0209/1431485-kildare-failing-to-harness-enormous-potential/
Things are bad at the minute but you'd hope some outside attention might be a reality check. The feckin Armagh game is live on TG4 too, so more national coverage.
We talk a lot of good players, but we don't have enough relaible lads. Can I ask other posters here - your county men stand out for the clubs every week?
Ah yeah. When they actually do get to play for the clubs they usually stand out.
In Armagh, we havent had a top quality underage county team in quite a few years but we do still seem to develop players through to senior standard.
I think the club championship has became more competitive recently and that intensity has been good for the county IMO.
Quote from: lurganblue on February 13, 2024, 09:55:42 AMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on February 12, 2024, 01:07:51 PMAn article from Pilly Mc and then this from RTÉ on Kildare in the space of a week...
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0209/1431485-kildare-failing-to-harness-enormous-potential/
Things are bad at the minute but you'd hope some outside attention might be a reality check. The feckin Armagh game is live on TG4 too, so more national coverage.
We talk a lot of good players, but we don't have enough relaible lads. Can I ask other posters here - your county men stand out for the clubs every week?
Ah yeah. When they actually do get to play for the clubs they usually stand out.
In Armagh, we havent had a top quality underage county team in quite a few years but we do still seem to develop players through to senior standard.
I think the club championship has became more competitive recently and that intensity has been good for the county IMO.
Just off the top of my head there in recent years on teams that have won championships or gone far O'Neill and Cian McConville been brilliant for Cross, Soupy for Clanns,Turbo and TK for Clann Eireann Murnin for St Pauls at intermediate, obviously the 3 Cullyhanna lads this year and going back a couple of years Jemar Hall was key for Forkhill winning a junior.
Donegal v Fermanagh Home win
Cork v Cavan Draw
Meath v Louth away win
Kildare v Armagh Away win
Some tough games this weekend, based on form my predictions shouldn't be far away but after a few games teams generally realise they have to get their finger out and results can change from previous weeks and form.
Can Meath and Kildare get their finger out?.
Can Cavan and Fermanagh keep up their good start?.
Will Donegal and Armagh pull away from the rest?.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 12, 2024, 01:07:51 PMAn article from Pilly Mc and then this from RTÉ on Kildare in the space of a week...
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0209/1431485-kildare-failing-to-harness-enormous-potential/
Things are bad at the minute but you'd hope some outside attention might be a reality check. The feckin Armagh game is live on TG4 too, so more national coverage.
We talk a lot of good players, but we don't have enough relaible lads. Can I ask other posters here - your county men stand out for the clubs every week?
What people don't realise that Dublin have been winning Leinster after Leinster since 2011. That doesn't look like stopping anytime soon. Thats all down to the millions pumped into Dublin GAA by our government and the GAA.
Why would any Kildare footballer be bothered putting an effort into winning a provincial title when the odd are stacked against you?
Its only now we are seeing the result of all that.
Quote from: mup on February 14, 2024, 01:58:44 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on February 12, 2024, 01:07:51 PMAn article from Pilly Mc and then this from RTÉ on Kildare in the space of a week...
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0209/1431485-kildare-failing-to-harness-enormous-potential/
Things are bad at the minute but you'd hope some outside attention might be a reality check. The feckin Armagh game is live on TG4 too, so more national coverage.
We talk a lot of good players, but we don't have enough relaible lads. Can I ask other posters here - your county men stand out for the clubs every week?
What people don't realise that Dublin have been winning Leinster after Leinster since 2011. That doesn't look like stopping anytime soon. Thats all down to the millions pumped into Dublin GAA by our government and the GAA.
Why would any Kildare footballer be bothered putting an effort into winning a provincial title when the odd are stacked against you?
Its only now we are seeing the result of all that.
Not all down to it, counties like Kildare and Meath have resources greater than most counties so what's their excuse?
I am from Kildare and it's a great thing to say shure lookit - the Dubs! What's the excuse for not being able to beat Fermanagh? Or losing to teams with much fewer resources.
James Horan in the recent Irish Examiner podcast on recent criticism by Kildare Chairman Mick Gorman.
'I really felt for Glenn Ryan when I read that. To me it is absolute rubbish'
"I'd absolutely told him to go and hop. Without question. How about a chairman, as they do in other counties, sits down and says, 'Glenn, what can we do to support you? How can we work together for the betterment of Kildare GAA. What do you need to move this on.' Imagine that kind of meeting as opposed to a chairman coming out and pointing at Glenn Ryan and the players. That is what I am seeing.
"I accept we don't know everything. But Kildare have good players. They have underage success. Some of the best managers in the country have gone in there. Jack O'Connor, Mick O'Dwyer, Kieran McGeeney, Cian O'Neill, to name a few.
"Something is not right. We've talked about identity, that is not just about players. It's about everything. A county board, structures, a setup. The whole lot needs to be looked at. Is the ground up to standard? Is the investment there? I'd argue the process, the system around it is as important to provide the setup for the players to be the best they can be. If one isn't right, the other won't be right. Those comments were a mess. It is like Roy Keane's famous one. Look at yourself first."
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 14, 2024, 03:41:50 PMI am from Kildare and it's a great thing to say shure lookit - the Dubs! What's the excuse for not being able to beat Fermanagh? Or losing to teams with much fewer resources.
Totally agree. Kildare, Meath etc just seem to have fallen on their own sword.
Quote from: Itchy on February 14, 2024, 03:12:55 PMQuote from: mup on February 14, 2024, 01:58:44 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on February 12, 2024, 01:07:51 PMAn article from Pilly Mc and then this from RTÉ on Kildare in the space of a week...
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0209/1431485-kildare-failing-to-harness-enormous-potential/
Things are bad at the minute but you'd hope some outside attention might be a reality check. The feckin Armagh game is live on TG4 too, so more national coverage.
We talk a lot of good players, but we don't have enough relaible lads. Can I ask other posters here - your county men stand out for the clubs every week?
What people don't realise that Dublin have been winning Leinster after Leinster since 2011. That doesn't look like stopping anytime soon. Thats all down to the millions pumped into Dublin GAA by our government and the GAA.
Why would any Kildare footballer be bothered putting an effort into winning a provincial title when the odd are stacked against you?
Its only now we are seeing the result of all that.
Not all down to it, counties like Kildare and Meath have resources greater than most counties so what's their excuse?
I thought I answered that above. Players don't even have a chance of a provincial title because of the odds being stacked against them. At least in other provinces the playing field is a bit more level.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 14, 2024, 03:41:50 PMI am from Kildare and it's a great thing to say shure lookit - the Dubs! What's the excuse for not being able to beat Fermanagh? Or losing to teams with much fewer resources.
Well then you should know more than most. The lure of a provincial title is not there.
How come Kildare can beat Dublin regularly at underage level? And explain the drop off when it comes to senior level.
Well because the Dubs are going into a serious set-up and can be eased in. They don't need a load of players every year whereas we bring lads into chaos and a dressing room with no real leaders and a set-up that's often one year away from a heave. Then they just lose their way.
Also, for a lot of those teams we had a lot of physically big athletic lads who can't do it with fully grown men. The lack of in game intelligence with Kildare at senior levels is a joke too.
That U20 team has serious young lads who had grit and desire, but they will just be lost in the mix again. Sure FFS the Captain and midfielder of the 2018 U21 team was on the bench v Fermanagh while the goalie on that team was starting wing forward...he was hauled off at half-time. We are wasting any hope.
Quote from: mup on February 15, 2024, 09:43:08 AMQuote from: Itchy on February 14, 2024, 03:12:55 PMQuote from: mup on February 14, 2024, 01:58:44 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on February 12, 2024, 01:07:51 PMAn article from Pilly Mc and then this from RTÉ on Kildare in the space of a week...
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0209/1431485-kildare-failing-to-harness-enormous-potential/
Things are bad at the minute but you'd hope some outside attention might be a reality check. The feckin Armagh game is live on TG4 too, so more national coverage.
We talk a lot of good players, but we don't have enough relaible lads. Can I ask other posters here - your county men stand out for the clubs every week?
What people don't realise that Dublin have been winning Leinster after Leinster since 2011. That doesn't look like stopping anytime soon. Thats all down to the millions pumped into Dublin GAA by our government and the GAA.
Why would any Kildare footballer be bothered putting an effort into winning a provincial title when the odd are stacked against you?
Its only now we are seeing the result of all that.
Not all down to it, counties like Kildare and Meath have resources greater than most counties so what's their excuse?
I thought I answered that above. Players don't even have a chance of a provincial title because of the odds being stacked against them. At least in other provinces the playing field is a bit more level.
Fermanagh just easily beat Kildare in the last round of the league. Fermanagh have never won an Ulster title yet they keep at it and are relatively competitive. Not sure your point stacks up.
Quote from: Itchy on February 15, 2024, 01:54:22 PMQuote from: mup on February 15, 2024, 09:43:08 AMQuote from: Itchy on February 14, 2024, 03:12:55 PMQuote from: mup on February 14, 2024, 01:58:44 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on February 12, 2024, 01:07:51 PMAn article from Pilly Mc and then this from RTÉ on Kildare in the space of a week...
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0209/1431485-kildare-failing-to-harness-enormous-potential/
Things are bad at the minute but you'd hope some outside attention might be a reality check. The feckin Armagh game is live on TG4 too, so more national coverage.
We talk a lot of good players, but we don't have enough relaible lads. Can I ask other posters here - your county men stand out for the clubs every week?
What people don't realise that Dublin have been winning Leinster after Leinster since 2011. That doesn't look like stopping anytime soon. Thats all down to the millions pumped into Dublin GAA by our government and the GAA.
Why would any Kildare footballer be bothered putting an effort into winning a provincial title when the odd are stacked against you?
Its only now we are seeing the result of all that.
Not all down to it, counties like Kildare and Meath have resources greater than most counties so what's their excuse?
I thought I answered that above. Players don't even have a chance of a provincial title because of the odds being stacked against them. At least in other provinces the playing field is a bit more level.
Fermanagh just easily beat Kildare in the last round of the league. Fermanagh have never won an Ulster title yet they keep at it and are relatively competitive. Not sure your point stacks up.
But Fermanagh can see no one is Ulster have gotten the handouts the Dubs have got.
So the playing field is closer to being equal in Ulster than it is in Leinster.
This always gives players hope.
In Kildare they can see the gap and can see how much money has been pumped into the Dubs
Quote from: mup on February 15, 2024, 09:43:08 AMQuote from: Itchy on February 14, 2024, 03:12:55 PMQuote from: mup on February 14, 2024, 01:58:44 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on February 12, 2024, 01:07:51 PMAn article from Pilly Mc and then this from RTÉ on Kildare in the space of a week...
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0209/1431485-kildare-failing-to-harness-enormous-potential/
Things are bad at the minute but you'd hope some outside attention might be a reality check. The feckin Armagh game is live on TG4 too, so more national coverage.
We talk a lot of good players, but we don't have enough relaible lads. Can I ask other posters here - your county men stand out for the clubs every week?
What people don't realise that Dublin have been winning Leinster after Leinster since 2011. That doesn't look like stopping anytime soon. Thats all down to the millions pumped into Dublin GAA by our government and the GAA.
Why would any Kildare footballer be bothered putting an effort into winning a provincial title when the odd are stacked against you?
Its only now we are seeing the result of all that.
Not all down to it, counties like Kildare and Meath have resources greater than most counties so what's their excuse?
I thought I answered that above. Players don't even have a chance of a provincial title because of the odds being stacked against them. At least in other provinces the playing field is a bit more level.
Dublin are not the side they were under Gavin however with Meath, Kildare so flaky it guarantees a provincial title for Dublin again this year. I don't think that would be the case if they were in other provinces especially Ulster.
Quote from: Taylor on February 15, 2024, 02:17:24 PMQuote from: Itchy on February 15, 2024, 01:54:22 PMQuote from: mup on February 15, 2024, 09:43:08 AMQuote from: Itchy on February 14, 2024, 03:12:55 PMQuote from: mup on February 14, 2024, 01:58:44 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on February 12, 2024, 01:07:51 PMAn article from Pilly Mc and then this from RTÉ on Kildare in the space of a week...
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0209/1431485-kildare-failing-to-harness-enormous-potential/
Things are bad at the minute but you'd hope some outside attention might be a reality check. The feckin Armagh game is live on TG4 too, so more national coverage.
We talk a lot of good players, but we don't have enough relaible lads. Can I ask other posters here - your county men stand out for the clubs every week?
What people don't realise that Dublin have been winning Leinster after Leinster since 2011. That doesn't look like stopping anytime soon. Thats all down to the millions pumped into Dublin GAA by our government and the GAA.
Why would any Kildare footballer be bothered putting an effort into winning a provincial title when the odd are stacked against you?
Its only now we are seeing the result of all that.
Not all down to it, counties like Kildare and Meath have resources greater than most counties so what's their excuse?
I thought I answered that above. Players don't even have a chance of a provincial title because of the odds being stacked against them. At least in other provinces the playing field is a bit more level.
Fermanagh just easily beat Kildare in the last round of the league. Fermanagh have never won an Ulster title yet they keep at it and are relatively competitive. Not sure your point stacks up.
But Fermanagh can see no one is Ulster have gotten the handouts the Dubs have got.
So the playing field is closer to being equal in Ulster than it is in Leinster.
This always gives players hope.
In Kildare they can see the gap and can see how much money has been pumped into the Dubs
I'm sorry that just does not stack up. There's one team worth talking about in Leinster to overcome. If your fermanagh (as an example) and looking at Ulster you'll have to beat 2 or 3 of the best in Ireland to win provincial. AND they have not done it in over 100 years. Meath and Kildare need to grow a pair and stop feeling sorry for themselves!
Quote from: Itchy on February 15, 2024, 05:32:19 PMQuote from: Taylor on February 15, 2024, 02:17:24 PMQuote from: Itchy on February 15, 2024, 01:54:22 PMQuote from: mup on February 15, 2024, 09:43:08 AMQuote from: Itchy on February 14, 2024, 03:12:55 PMQuote from: mup on February 14, 2024, 01:58:44 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on February 12, 2024, 01:07:51 PMAn article from Pilly Mc and then this from RTÉ on Kildare in the space of a week...
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0209/1431485-kildare-failing-to-harness-enormous-potential/
Things are bad at the minute but you'd hope some outside attention might be a reality check. The feckin Armagh game is live on TG4 too, so more national coverage.
We talk a lot of good players, but we don't have enough relaible lads. Can I ask other posters here - your county men stand out for the clubs every week?
What people don't realise that Dublin have been winning Leinster after Leinster since 2011. That doesn't look like stopping anytime soon. Thats all down to the millions pumped into Dublin GAA by our government and the GAA.
Why would any Kildare footballer be bothered putting an effort into winning a provincial title when the odd are stacked against you?
Its only now we are seeing the result of all that.
Not all down to it, counties like Kildare and Meath have resources greater than most counties so what's their excuse?
I thought I answered that above. Players don't even have a chance of a provincial title because of the odds being stacked against them. At least in other provinces the playing field is a bit more level.
Fermanagh just easily beat Kildare in the last round of the league. Fermanagh have never won an Ulster title yet they keep at it and are relatively competitive. Not sure your point stacks up.
But Fermanagh can see no one is Ulster have gotten the handouts the Dubs have got.
So the playing field is closer to being equal in Ulster than it is in Leinster.
This always gives players hope.
In Kildare they can see the gap and can see how much money has been pumped into the Dubs
I'm sorry that just does not stack up. There's one team worth talking about in Leinster to overcome. If your fermanagh (as an example) and looking at Ulster you'll have to beat 2 or 3 of the best in Ireland to win provincial. AND they have not done it in over 100 years. Meath and Kildare need to grow a pair and stop feeling sorry for themselves!
The big difference is that in Leinster, Itchy, Dublin have weaponised their population with the connivance of the GAA.
I think the other 11 counties should boycott the Leinster championship and run their own competition.
Or they could quit yapping and improve. Theres no excuse for likes of Meath and Kildare to not be competitive.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 15, 2024, 08:50:44 PMOr they could quit yapping and improve. Theres no excuse for likes of Meath and Kildare to not be competitive.
Ah no teams like Antrim, Down, Fermanagh and Armagh who haven't won Ulster in ages should also quit Ulster and join up with those Leinster teams.
KILDARE can't win a Leinster...
BUT THE DUBS...
Kildare can't beat Fermanagh...BUT THE DUBS?
We have the worst kip of a ground in the country for 25 years.
No streaming of club games and general lack of vision.
Thank you to people defending us and Meath. Leinster is goosed but Christ we don't need to lie down every year either.
Quote from: Itchy on February 15, 2024, 09:21:08 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 15, 2024, 08:50:44 PMOr they could quit yapping and improve. Theres no excuse for likes of Meath and Kildare to not be competitive.
Ah no teams like Antrim, Down, Fermanagh and Armagh who haven't won Ulster in ages should also quit Ulster and join up with those Leinster teams.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 15, 2024, 08:50:44 PMOr they could quit yapping and improve. There's no excuse for likes of Meath and Kildare to not be competitive.
Why should anyone care about the Leinster football championship?The new system has downgraded it as well. It does not matter.
Kildare and Cork need to get their shit together this weekend.
The day Fermanagh win Ulster will be a great day.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 15, 2024, 09:49:51 PMKILDARE can't win a Leinster...
BUT THE DUBS...
Kildare can't beat Fermanagh...BUT THE DUBS?
We have the worst kip of a ground in the country for 25 years.
No streaming of club games and general lack of vision.
Thank you to people defending us and Meath. Leinster is goosed but Christ we don't need to lie down every year either.
We're lying down since 1928. The one manager who had us competitive we couldn't wait to get rid of.
Fair enough if you think the fact that the Dubs were given millions had nothing to do with them winning 13 Leinster's in a row. Look at the 13 years before that - Kildare, Westmeath, Meath and Laois all winnings Leinster's.
Why would players from those counties be bothered? All they could win previously was a provincial title and now that's even out of reach.
Quote from: Taylor on February 15, 2024, 02:17:24 PMQuote from: Itchy on February 15, 2024, 01:54:22 PMQuote from: mup on February 15, 2024, 09:43:08 AMQuote from: Itchy on February 14, 2024, 03:12:55 PMQuote from: mup on February 14, 2024, 01:58:44 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on February 12, 2024, 01:07:51 PMAn article from Pilly Mc and then this from RTÉ on Kildare in the space of a week...
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0209/1431485-kildare-failing-to-harness-enormous-potential/
Things are bad at the minute but you'd hope some outside attention might be a reality check. The feckin Armagh game is live on TG4 too, so more national coverage.
We talk a lot of good players, but we don't have enough relaible lads. Can I ask other posters here - your county men stand out for the clubs every week?
What people don't realise that Dublin have been winning Leinster after Leinster since 2011. That doesn't look like stopping anytime soon. Thats all down to the millions pumped into Dublin GAA by our government and the GAA.
Why would any Kildare footballer be bothered putting an effort into winning a provincial title when the odd are stacked against you?
Its only now we are seeing the result of all that.
Not all down to it, counties like Kildare and Meath have resources greater than most counties so what's their excuse?
I thought I answered that above. Players don't even have a chance of a provincial title because of the odds being stacked against them. At least in other provinces the playing field is a bit more level.
Fermanagh just easily beat Kildare in the last round of the league. Fermanagh have never won an Ulster title yet they keep at it and are relatively competitive. Not sure your point stacks up.
But Fermanagh can see no one is Ulster have gotten the handouts the Dubs have got.
So the playing field is closer to being equal in Ulster than it is in Leinster.
This always gives players hope.
In Kildare they can see the gap and can see how much money has been pumped into the Dubs
My point exactly. The fight is gone from the likes of Kildare and Meath.
And for the record it's the GAA I blame for letting it happen. They created a prefect storm.
Maybe 5 years ago. The Dubs are far from unbeatable now. Monaghan have had their number in the league the last few times and ran them close in the championship last year. No reason Kildare and Meath can't do the same given the pick of the 3 counties. And 0 excuse for them not beating Fermanagh.
If they want an example just look at Louth. They make improvements not excuses, the attitude of any of their lads you see interviewed is so refreshing to see.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 16, 2024, 10:08:48 AMMaybe 5 years ago. The Dubs are far from unbeatable now. Monaghan have had their number in the league the last few times and ran them close in the championship last year. No reason Kildare and Meath can't do the same given the pick of the 3 counties. And 0 excuse for them not beating Fermanagh.
If they want an example just look at Louth. They make improvements not excuses, the attitude of any of their lads you see interviewed is so refreshing to see.
You seem to think Fermanagh should not be beating Kildare. Why is that? Kildare have only two more provincial titles in 50 years. The same amount of AI tiles in that time. Fermanagh have every right to be beating the likes of Kildare.
Quote from: mup on February 16, 2024, 10:30:02 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 16, 2024, 10:08:48 AMMaybe 5 years ago. The Dubs are far from unbeatable now. Monaghan have had their number in the league the last few times and ran them close in the championship last year. No reason Kildare and Meath can't do the same given the pick of the 3 counties. And 0 excuse for them not beating Fermanagh.
If they want an example just look at Louth. They make improvements not excuses, the attitude of any of their lads you see interviewed is so refreshing to see.
You seem to think Fermanagh should not be beating Kildare. Why is that? Kildare have only two more provincial titles in 50 years. The same amount of AI tiles in that time. Fermanagh have every right to be beating the likes of Kildare.
Look at the pick both would have. 247k people in Kildare vs 63k people in Fermanagh before you take out the non gaa inclined demographic in Fermanagh. Kildare should absolutely be doing a lot better than they are. Look at all the strong underage teams in the last few years.
(Watch Kildare beat us Sunday now I'm saying all this!)
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 16, 2024, 11:03:09 AMQuote from: mup on February 16, 2024, 10:30:02 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 16, 2024, 10:08:48 AMMaybe 5 years ago. The Dubs are far from unbeatable now. Monaghan have had their number in the league the last few times and ran them close in the championship last year. No reason Kildare and Meath can't do the same given the pick of the 3 counties. And 0 excuse for them not beating Fermanagh.
If they want an example just look at Louth. They make improvements not excuses, the attitude of any of their lads you see interviewed is so refreshing to see.
You seem to think Fermanagh should not be beating Kildare. Why is that? Kildare have only two more provincial titles in 50 years. The same amount of AI tiles in that time. Fermanagh have every right to be beating the likes of Kildare.
Look at the pick both would have. 247k people in Kildare vs 63k people in Fermanagh before you take out the non gaa inclined demographic in Fermanagh. Kildare should absolutely be doing a lot better than they are. Look at all the strong underage teams in the last few years.
(Watch Kildare beat us Sunday now I'm saying all this!)
We won't be beating you Sunday so you are safe enough.
Sure if its down to population then Kilkenny should be nowhere near that many hurling titles. Dublin should be dominating the football AI tiles.
I did question above the reason for the drop off in standards in minor/u20 within Kildare. Players thrive on the possibility of success. That is not there for a Kildare footballer so the desire is not there.
Quote from: mup on February 16, 2024, 11:13:09 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 16, 2024, 11:03:09 AMQuote from: mup on February 16, 2024, 10:30:02 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 16, 2024, 10:08:48 AMMaybe 5 years ago. The Dubs are far from unbeatable now. Monaghan have had their number in the league the last few times and ran them close in the championship last year. No reason Kildare and Meath can't do the same given the pick of the 3 counties. And 0 excuse for them not beating Fermanagh.
If they want an example just look at Louth. They make improvements not excuses, the attitude of any of their lads you see interviewed is so refreshing to see.
You seem to think Fermanagh should not be beating Kildare. Why is that? Kildare have only two more provincial titles in 50 years. The same amount of AI tiles in that time. Fermanagh have every right to be beating the likes of Kildare.
Look at the pick both would have. 247k people in Kildare vs 63k people in Fermanagh before you take out the non gaa inclined demographic in Fermanagh. Kildare should absolutely be doing a lot better than they are. Look at all the strong underage teams in the last few years.
(Watch Kildare beat us Sunday now I'm saying all this!)
We won't be beating you Sunday so you are safe enough.
Sure if its down to population then Kilkenny should be nowhere near that many hurling titles. Dublin should be dominating the football AI tiles.
I did question above the reason for the drop off in standards in minor/u20 within Kildare. Players thrive on the possibility of success. That is not there for a Kildare footballer so the desire is not there.
Is the drive, ethos and status that comes with being on the senior county squad not there? Even when Armagh were in Div3, the county lads are still seen as almost celebs around here. It seems like Kildare and Meath have slipped into apathy at senior level.
Quote from: lurganblue on February 16, 2024, 11:22:58 AMQuote from: mup on February 16, 2024, 11:13:09 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 16, 2024, 11:03:09 AMQuote from: mup on February 16, 2024, 10:30:02 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 16, 2024, 10:08:48 AMMaybe 5 years ago. The Dubs are far from unbeatable now. Monaghan have had their number in the league the last few times and ran them close in the championship last year. No reason Kildare and Meath can't do the same given the pick of the 3 counties. And 0 excuse for them not beating Fermanagh.
If they want an example just look at Louth. They make improvements not excuses, the attitude of any of their lads you see interviewed is so refreshing to see.
You seem to think Fermanagh should not be beating Kildare. Why is that? Kildare have only two more provincial titles in 50 years. The same amount of AI tiles in that time. Fermanagh have every right to be beating the likes of Kildare.
Look at the pick both would have. 247k people in Kildare vs 63k people in Fermanagh before you take out the non gaa inclined demographic in Fermanagh. Kildare should absolutely be doing a lot better than they are. Look at all the strong underage teams in the last few years.
(Watch Kildare beat us Sunday now I'm saying all this!)
We won't be beating you Sunday so you are safe enough.
Sure if its down to population then Kilkenny should be nowhere near that many hurling titles. Dublin should be dominating the football AI tiles.
I did question above the reason for the drop off in standards in minor/u20 within Kildare. Players thrive on the possibility of success. That is not there for a Kildare footballer so the desire is not there.
Is the drive, ethos and status that comes with being on the senior county squad not there? Even when Armagh were in Div3, the county lads are still seen as almost celebs around here. It seems like Kildare and Meath have slipped into apathy at senior level.
I don't think it is. It seems lads are going through the motions. I cannot fathom how Kildare have two u20 AI's in the last 5 years and yet are so poor at senior level. It can't be the manager the whole time.
Even the support has dropped off significantly. I used to follow the Kildare team everywhere. I haven't seen them play live in over 10 years. Ok that is partly down to family life but I'd get to a few games a year.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 15, 2024, 08:50:44 PMOr they could quit yapping and improve. Theres no excuse for likes of Meath and Kildare to not be competitive.
I suppose Louth have that Northern edge being close to the border and dont make excuses. Fermanagh are a credit also given the limited resources they have. What Fermanagh do have is a great culture; their players are in great shape.
Kildare and Meath just want to lie down.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 16, 2024, 12:12:17 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 15, 2024, 08:50:44 PMOr they could quit yapping and improve. Theres no excuse for likes of Meath and Kildare to not be competitive.
I suppose Louth have that Northern edge being close to the border and dont make excuses. Fermanagh are a credit also given the limited resources they have. What Fermanagh do have is a great culture; their players are in great shape.
Kildare and Meath just want to lie down.
And why do they want to lie down? Its very easy to make such a glib statement without delving further into it.
Whatever about Kildare but Meath teams were never known for lying down. There has to be a reason for the culture change in Meath football over the past 20+ years.
Quote from: mup on February 16, 2024, 12:21:26 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 16, 2024, 12:12:17 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 15, 2024, 08:50:44 PMOr they could quit yapping and improve. Theres no excuse for likes of Meath and Kildare to not be competitive.
I suppose Louth have that Northern edge being close to the border and dont make excuses. Fermanagh are a credit also given the limited resources they have. What Fermanagh do have is a great culture; their players are in great shape.
Kildare and Meath just want to lie down.
And why do they want to lie down? Its very easy to make such a glib statement without delving further into it.
Whatever about Kildare but Meath teams were never known for lying down. There has to be a reason for the culture change in Meath football over the past 20+ years.
Meath lay down against us 2 weeks ago. Fair enough getting tanked by the Dubs but theres no reason not to be around the level of Armagh.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 16, 2024, 12:34:53 PMQuote from: mup on February 16, 2024, 12:21:26 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 16, 2024, 12:12:17 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 15, 2024, 08:50:44 PMOr they could quit yapping and improve. Theres no excuse for likes of Meath and Kildare to not be competitive.
I suppose Louth have that Northern edge being close to the border and dont make excuses. Fermanagh are a credit also given the limited resources they have. What Fermanagh do have is a great culture; their players are in great shape.
Kildare and Meath just want to lie down.
And why do they want to lie down? Its very easy to make such a glib statement without delving further into it.
Whatever about Kildare but Meath teams were never known for lying down. There has to be a reason for the culture change in Meath football over the past 20+ years.
Meath lay down against us 2 weeks ago. Fair enough getting tanked by the Dubs but theres no reason not to be around the level of Armagh.
Is it possible that the regular tankings by Dublin has taken its toll?
Probably needs its own thread at this stage.
This is a Division 2 league thread. Dublin are not in this division. I expected Kildare to be in the shake up for promotion start of year.
We're after a break and still 10 points to fight for so they can still turn it around but I cannot get my head around the defeatist attitude of some on here. Kildare have competed in Div1 recently, were in the super 8's when they were a thing. Narrowly lost to Dublin in Leinster last year, narrowly lost to Monaghan to make AIQF. Have been in 3 of the last 6 U20 AI finals, winning 2. Have a large passionate following so money is flowing. Are a stones throw from Dublin so educational and work options are optimal for players and travel distances for collective training shouldn't prove too problematic. There are so many counties in Ireland would give their right arms to have their "problems"!
Get a grip FFS. Go out and play the game and forget about the Dubs unless ye meet them come championship. But if some of your players have the same attitude as some of the posters on here, maybe ye'd be better off in Division 3.
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 16, 2024, 01:28:22 PMThis is a Division 2 league thread. Dublin are not in this division. I expected Kildare to be in the shake up for promotion start of year.
We're after a break and still 10 points to fight for so they can still turn it around but I cannot get my head around the defeatist attitude of some on here. Kildare have competed in Div1 recently, were in the super 8's when they were a thing. Narrowly lost to Dublin in Leinster last year, narrowly lost to Monaghan to make AIQF. Have been in 3 of the last 6 U20 AI finals, winning 2. Have a large passionate following so money is flowing. Are a stones throw from Dublin so educational and work options are optimal for players and travel distances for collective training shouldn't prove too problematic. There are so many counties in Ireland would give their right arms to have their "problems"!
Get a grip FFS. Go out and play the game and forget about the Dubs unless ye meet them come championship. But if some of your players have the same attitude as some of the posters on here, maybe ye'd be better off in Division 3.
Dublin are not in Div 2 yet you go on to mention them several times in your post.
Kildare and Meath are in Div 2 and are going poorly. There is no rule against putting forward opinions on why they that may be.
The attitude or opinion of some anonymous posters on a message board has no effect on the Kildare players.
Quote from: mup on February 16, 2024, 12:21:26 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 16, 2024, 12:12:17 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 15, 2024, 08:50:44 PMOr they could quit yapping and improve. Theres no excuse for likes of Meath and Kildare to not be competitive.
I suppose Louth have that Northern edge being close to the border and dont make excuses. Fermanagh are a credit also given the limited resources they have. What Fermanagh do have is a great culture; their players are in great shape.
Kildare and Meath just want to lie down.
And why do they want to lie down? Its very easy to make such a glib statement without delving further into it.
Whatever about Kildare but Meath teams were never known for lying down. There has to be a reason for the culture change in Meath football over the past 20+ years.
Why the change in attitude or culture in Meath you ask?
Some theories would suggest that their has been a demographic change or transition in Meath from a mostly rural county to a more urbanized county?
Could this be a factor.
Quote from: mup on February 16, 2024, 01:57:07 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on February 16, 2024, 01:28:22 PMThis is a Division 2 league thread. Dublin are not in this division. I expected Kildare to be in the shake up for promotion start of year.
We're after a break and still 10 points to fight for so they can still turn it around but I cannot get my head around the defeatist attitude of some on here. Kildare have competed in Div1 recently, were in the super 8's when they were a thing. Narrowly lost to Dublin in Leinster last year, narrowly lost to Monaghan to make AIQF. Have been in 3 of the last 6 U20 AI finals, winning 2. Have a large passionate following so money is flowing. Are a stones throw from Dublin so educational and work options are optimal for players and travel distances for collective training shouldn't prove too problematic. There are so many counties in Ireland would give their right arms to have their "problems"!
Get a grip FFS. Go out and play the game and forget about the Dubs unless ye meet them come championship. But if some of your players have the same attitude as some of the posters on here, maybe ye'd be better off in Division 3.
Dublin are not in Div 2 yet you go on to mention them several times in your post.
Kildare and Meath are in Div 2 and are going poorly. There is no rule against putting forward opinions on why they that may be.
The attitude or opinion of some anonymous posters on a message board has no effect on the Kildare players.
Last time I checked Kildare players were from Kildare. If some of the attitudes on here are a prevailing attitude within the county then it would explain your performances.
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 16, 2024, 02:12:33 PMQuote from: mup on February 16, 2024, 01:57:07 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on February 16, 2024, 01:28:22 PMThis is a Division 2 league thread. Dublin are not in this division. I expected Kildare to be in the shake up for promotion start of year.
We're after a break and still 10 points to fight for so they can still turn it around but I cannot get my head around the defeatist attitude of some on here. Kildare have competed in Div1 recently, were in the super 8's when they were a thing. Narrowly lost to Dublin in Leinster last year, narrowly lost to Monaghan to make AIQF. Have been in 3 of the last 6 U20 AI finals, winning 2. Have a large passionate following so money is flowing. Are a stones throw from Dublin so educational and work options are optimal for players and travel distances for collective training shouldn't prove too problematic. There are so many counties in Ireland would give their right arms to have their "problems"!
Get a grip FFS. Go out and play the game and forget about the Dubs unless ye meet them come championship. But if some of your players have the same attitude as some of the posters on here, maybe ye'd be better off in Division 3.
Dublin are not in Div 2 yet you go on to mention them several times in your post.
Kildare and Meath are in Div 2 and are going poorly. There is no rule against putting forward opinions on why they that may be.
The attitude or opinion of some anonymous posters on a message board has no effect on the Kildare players.
Last time I checked Kildare players were from Kildare. If some of the attitudes on here are a prevailing attitude within the county then it would explain your performances.
Can you explain the performances of the other Leinster counties? None of them are setting the world alight. How long more are people going to ignore it? Leinster as a football province has been destroyed.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 16, 2024, 02:10:42 PMQuote from: mup on February 16, 2024, 12:21:26 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 16, 2024, 12:12:17 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 15, 2024, 08:50:44 PMOr they could quit yapping and improve. Theres no excuse for likes of Meath and Kildare to not be competitive.
I suppose Louth have that Northern edge being close to the border and dont make excuses. Fermanagh are a credit also given the limited resources they have. What Fermanagh do have is a great culture; their players are in great shape.
Kildare and Meath just want to lie down.
And why do they want to lie down? Its very easy to make such a glib statement without delving further into it.
Whatever about Kildare but Meath teams were never known for lying down. There has to be a reason for the culture change in Meath football over the past 20+ years.
Why the change in attitude or culture in Meath you ask?
Some theories would suggest that their has been a demographic change or transition in Meath from a mostly rural county to a more urbanized county?
Could this be a factor.
Yes, thats a possibility There has also been incidents of lads living in Meath playing underage for Dublin. Ditto in Kildare. The lure of Provincial and AI titles is just too great.
Kildare getting read up all week,they will be chomping at the bit for Armagh now.Get the money on a draw 9/1. Armagh a ridiculous 2/9, 4/1 Kildare.
Good to see Conaty & McConville starting for Armagh, shows a bit of intent.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 16, 2024, 03:08:55 PMKildare getting read up all week,they will be chomping at the bit for Armagh now.Get the money on a draw 9/1. Armagh a ridiculous 2/9, 4/1 Kildare.
Good to see Conaty & McConville starting for Armagh, shows a bit of intent.
I can't see anything but an Armagh victory. I believe they are a completely different stage of development than Kildare are. The only was Kildare have a chance here is if Geezer and Armagh take their eye off the ball. During his time in Kildare he tended to do that sometimes. Whether it was tough training or otherwise I'm not sure.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 16, 2024, 02:10:42 PMQuote from: mup on February 16, 2024, 12:21:26 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 16, 2024, 12:12:17 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 15, 2024, 08:50:44 PMOr they could quit yapping and improve. Theres no excuse for likes of Meath and Kildare to not be competitive.
I suppose Louth have that Northern edge being close to the border and dont make excuses. Fermanagh are a credit also given the limited resources they have. What Fermanagh do have is a great culture; their players are in great shape.
Kildare and Meath just want to lie down.
And why do they want to lie down? Its very easy to make such a glib statement without delving further into it.
Whatever about Kildare but Meath teams were never known for lying down. There has to be a reason for the culture change in Meath football over the past 20+ years.
Why the change in attitude or culture in Meath you ask?
Some theories would suggest that their has been a demographic change or transition in Meath from a mostly rural county to a more urbanized county?
Could this be a factor.
the 90s were more democratic than the last 15 years. Between 1990 and 1999, Cork, Donegal, Derry, Down (2), Meath (2), and Galway won Sam. Kerry and Dublin combined won 2. The Dubs were not funded in the 90s.
Football then had the qualifiers and now has the split season and both of these favour Dublin and Kerry.
Between 2010 and 2019, Cork and Donegal won 1 each, Kerry won 1 and Dublin won 7.
Counties like Meath, Cork , Down, tyrone and galway tend to do better when the competition is open.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 16, 2024, 03:08:55 PMKildare getting read up all week,they will be chomping at the bit for Armagh now.Get the money on a draw 9/1. Armagh a ridiculous 2/9, 4/1 Kildare.
Good to see Conaty & McConville starting for Armagh, shows a bit of intent.
Took Kildare +5 last night purely on the back of this - bound to be a reaction of some sort. Obviously can see Armagh blowing them away but it seemed a big spread for a team getting dragged through the coals all week that clearly still have talent within their ranks
I presume the BBC iPlayer broadcast of Donegal & Fermanagh is geo-blocked?
Competitive half of football Donegal 0-6 Fermanagh 0-5.
Fermanagh are having a good league so far.
Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2024, 02:45:25 PMFermanagh are having a good league so far.
Themselves, Louth and Cavan showing the more fancied trio of Meath, Cork and Kildare how its done so far! Louth and Fermanagh were most peoples favourites to go down.
Long way to go obviously but they're both looking good.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 17, 2024, 02:54:17 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 17, 2024, 02:45:25 PMFermanagh are having a good league so far.
Themselves, Louth and Cavan showing the more fancied trio of Meath, Cork and Kildare how its done so far! Louth and Fermanagh were most peoples favourites to go down.
Long way to go obviously but they're both looking good.
The longer the League goes on , the more time the losers have to improve and refine tactics. It's a great competition . A pity it has been downgraded
Fermanagh might want to look at their goalkeeping strategy.
Think i jinxed them!
Similar to the MacRory Cup final, the camera work by BBC is atrocious. Just keep with the wide angled camera. There is a split second difference when they change cameras.
Fermanagh making Donegal look good.
2-03 for a wing back!
Competitive match no more. Donegal 2-10 to 0-6 ahead with 15 minutes to play.
A game riddled with mistakes, very poor conditions
That was not good .
Massive game now against Cork next weekend
Cork 0-11 Cavan 0-08 at HT
Cavan lucky to be only 3 down at HT. Darragh McVetty missing, huge loss.
Quote from: square_ball on February 17, 2024, 03:10:41 PMSimilar to the MacRory Cup final, the camera work by BBC is atrocious. Just keep with the wide angled camera. There is a split second difference when they change cameras.
Same for Armagh v Louth. Kept cutting to a zoomed camera, then back to wide lense, back to zoom. Impossible to follow.
Cavan 1 up 0-15 to 0-14 just before 6 minutes of added on time
Quote from: FermGael on February 17, 2024, 04:38:14 PMThat was not good .
Massive game now against Cork next weekend
HUGE
Cork have to win. It's a relegation 4 pointer
FT: Cork 0-16 Cavan 0-17
A brilliant win for Cavan. Didn't play well but they get the points. Cork in big bother now
Quote from: Itchy on February 17, 2024, 05:48:29 PMA brilliant win for Cavan. Didn't play well but they get the points. Cork in big bother now
Great win, away from home as well
Absolutely made up Cavan bagged the two points there. So much the better we had to dig it out, too often we wilt when the fat's in the fire.
If we keep the heads in the next few weeks it could end up a great league for the relegation favourites.
Some result fair play to Cavan. Cork and (hopefully) Kildare looking in bother.
Cork vs Fermanagh is huge next week.
If Louth beat Meath it won't look so bad for Cork on Monday
That was some rendition of Amhrán na bhFiann!
Proper gusto
Result Meath 1-11 Louth 1-9
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 17, 2024, 05:55:27 PMSome result fair play to Cavan. Cork and (hopefully) Kildare looking in bother.
Cork vs Fermanagh is huge next week.
Kildare certainly in bother at the moment
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 18, 2024, 04:05:05 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 17, 2024, 05:55:27 PMSome result fair play to Cavan. Cork and (hopefully) Kildare looking in bother.
Cork vs Fermanagh is huge next week.
Kildare certainly in bother at the moment
How bad are they?? Could do with that singer, he's been Kildare best performer so far
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2024, 03:49:05 PMThat was some rendition of Amhrán na bhFiann!
Proper gusto
Noticeably, nobody tried to sing along.
Armagh decent, Kildare rank.
Kildare are a shambles. Players have downed the tools for their manager.
Kildare really bad. I thought after the fermanagh game they may have came into this game looking to kick-start their season but they seem doomed for the drop the way they are going.
Contay has been brilliant also.
Kildare shocking, not a wonder so many Good players gone early.At this rate and Meath equally poor,Dublin win will another 20 Leinster titles in a row.
Meath stumbling towards a middle table finish again. Good to get Shane Walsh back in the squad. We need to have everyone back for remaining games. Glad Siegerson is over now. Jordan Morris still to return but hopefully soon.
If we can keep the Lillies in a slump next week we should be fairly safe with 5 points after 4 games.
Are armagh good, or kildare bad?
Quote from: ClubScene13 on February 16, 2024, 06:30:32 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 16, 2024, 03:08:55 PMKildare getting read up all week,they will be chomping at the bit for Armagh now.Get the money on a draw 9/1. Armagh a ridiculous 2/9, 4/1 Kildare.
Good to see Conaty & McConville starting for Armagh, shows a bit of intent.
Took Kildare +5 last night purely on the back of this - bound to be a reaction of some sort. Obviously can see Armagh blowing them away but it seemed a big spread for a team getting dragged through the coals all week that clearly still have talent within their ranks
I knew things were bad in Kildare but my God. I'll not do that again
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2024, 04:27:19 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on February 18, 2024, 04:05:05 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 17, 2024, 05:55:27 PMSome result fair play to Cavan. Cork and (hopefully) Kildare looking in bother.
Cork vs Fermanagh is huge next week.
Kildare certainly in bother at the moment
How bad are they?? Could do with that singer, he's been Kildare best performer so far
They're brutal. Not much more needs to be said
Rough tackle that. Also what was the difference between the tackle done on murnin earlier that resulted in him going off and kilpatrick's against Roscommon.
Armagh 2-16 to 0-8 winners won't get many easier league points than that. Never had to get out of 1st gear against a truly woeful Kildare outfit.
I know Glen Ryan was a fare player and Kildare have a no of players dropped out pass year,but Kildare is as bad as I ever seen them, and they weren't great against Derry last year.
I don't think it's working for him but hard to see a change now.
Bar David Hyland there were no nailed on starters after going off the scene in Kildare.
Kirwan always gets bottled up but shoots anyway. In the end he was hiding out the field.
Ben McCormack did his usual carry it into traffic on the big arc before losing it...
These are main men up top...we are so open at the back but everyone knows this.
Some of the very basic errors are a joke and I always say no other team have such an ability to not learn year on year.
Like that was bad club standard at times.
Kildare have been beaten by the top 2 teams - Armagh and Donegal plus Fermanagh.
The next 4 matches should be a bit easier.
Cork have been beaten by Donegal, Louth and Cavan
Cork look in more trouble.
This is terrible...
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41334637.html
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 18, 2024, 05:33:08 PMI don't think it's working for him but hard to see a change now.
Sides have changed their manager during Div 2 league campaign before. Limerick the most recent one last year. If it's a case that Glen has lost the dressing room then it's pointless carrying on with him in charge.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 18, 2024, 04:29:53 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2024, 03:49:05 PMThat was some rendition of Amhrán na bhFiann!
Proper gusto
Noticeably, nobody tried to sing along.
Armagh decent, Kildare rank.
Which match were you at? Great rendition of Amhrán na bhFiann at Corrigan Park too.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 18, 2024, 08:22:48 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 18, 2024, 05:33:08 PMI don't think it's working for him but hard to see a change now.
Side have change their manager during Div 2 league campaign before. Limerick last year the most recent one last year. If it's a case that Glen has lost the dressing room then it's pointless carrying on with him in charge.
Ros used to do that regularly back in the Noughties e g Carr, Maughan.
We had 4 or 5 managers one of those years.
Next week:
Fermanagh v Cork
Louth v Cavan
Meath v Kildare
Armagh v Donegal
Quote from: seafoid on February 18, 2024, 06:40:18 PMKildare have been beaten by the top 2 teams - Armagh and Donegal plus Fermanagh.
The next 4 matches should be a bit easier.
Cork have been beaten by Donegal, Louth and Cavan
Cork look in more trouble.
Kildare haven't played Donegal. They've lost to Cavan, Fermanagh and Armagh.
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2024, 09:51:05 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 18, 2024, 06:40:18 PMKildare have been beaten by the top 2 teams - Armagh and Donegal plus Fermanagh.
The next 4 matches should be a bit easier.
Cork have been beaten by Donegal, Louth and Cavan
Cork look in more trouble.
Kildare haven't played Donegal. They've lost to Cavan, Fermanagh and Armagh.
I don't see any prospect of them beating Donegal.
They might get something from the other 3, if they want it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 18, 2024, 05:18:37 PMRough tackle that. Also what was the difference between the tackle done on murnin earlier that resulted in him going off and kilpatrick's against Roscommon.
Was standing close to that. The lad in fairness could do nothing, Murnin passed it off literally split second before the contact, your man was standing square on.
Not much to say about the game other than Kildare are shite. Conaty, 2 Mackins, McElroy, Turbo all very good for us but up against nothing. Looking forward to next week now to see where ourselves and Donegal are really at.
Is it just me or is the media latching on to Kildare's bad form and ripping the bag out of it all week and creating the conditions where things are going to be difficult for the management to recover?
On the Sunday Game last night I think someone said about how Kildare should be challenging for All-Irelands and shouldn't be in the Tailtean Cup. What planet are they on? They won't be happy with where they are at, but Meath, whose record in modern times is much stronger, played in the Tailtean last year.
The media have to have a story and unfortunately this year it is Kildare's turn and they have been given a gift by the chairman whose comments were pretty lousy. Feel sorry for the management having to deal with that kind of stuff.
As for the game, it was like a training exercise for Armagh. At one point you could hear the players shouting 30 seconds to get a score. Ended up in a wide.
;)
Won't have done either team any good.
Feel sorry for Glenn Ryan?! He knew the media were on the job all week but gave them another story when he attacked a local journalist who has always been very supportive.
Basically accused him of not reporting something and then refused to back down. This is in front of the Examiner, The Indo and The Times...
We are easy fodder on and off the field.
Quote from: APM on February 19, 2024, 10:24:42 AMIs it just me or is the media latching on to Kildare's bad form and ripping the bag out of it all week and creating the conditions where things are going to be difficult for the management to recover?
On the Sunday Game last night I think someone said about how Kildare should be challenging for All-Irelands and shouldn't be in the Tailtean Cup. What planet are they on? They won't be happy with where they are at, but Meath, whose record in modern times is much stronger, played in the Tailtean last year.
The media have to have a story and unfortunately this year it is Kildare's turn and they have been given a gift by the chairman whose comments were pretty lousy. Feel sorry for the management having to deal with that kind of stuff.
As for the game, it was like a training exercise for Armagh. At one point you could hear the players shouting 30 seconds to get a score. Ended up in a wide.
;)
Won't have done either team any good.
Kildare has the population of Roscommon, Cavan and Monaghan put together. They should do better.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2024, 11:17:14 AMQuote from: APM on February 19, 2024, 10:24:42 AMIs it just me or is the media latching on to Kildare's bad form and ripping the bag out of it all week and creating the conditions where things are going to be difficult for the management to recover?
On the Sunday Game last night I think someone said about how Kildare should be challenging for All-Irelands and shouldn't be in the Tailtean Cup. What planet are they on? They won't be happy with where they are at, but Meath, whose record in modern times is much stronger, played in the Tailtean last year.
The media have to have a story and unfortunately this year it is Kildare's turn and they have been given a gift by the chairman whose comments were pretty lousy. Feel sorry for the management having to deal with that kind of stuff.
As for the game, it was like a training exercise for Armagh. At one point you could hear the players shouting 30 seconds to get a score. Ended up in a wide.
;)
Won't have done either team any good.
Kildare has the population of Roscommon, Cavan and Monaghan put together. They should do better.
Meath in the same boat.
Quote from: APM on February 19, 2024, 11:21:30 AMQuote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2024, 11:17:14 AMQuote from: APM on February 19, 2024, 10:24:42 AMIs it just me or is the media latching on to Kildare's bad form and ripping the bag out of it all week and creating the conditions where things are going to be difficult for the management to recover?
On the Sunday Game last night I think someone said about how Kildare should be challenging for All-Irelands and shouldn't be in the Tailtean Cup. What planet are they on? They won't be happy with where they are at, but Meath, whose record in modern times is much stronger, played in the Tailtean last year.
The media have to have a story and unfortunately this year it is Kildare's turn and they have been given a gift by the chairman whose comments were pretty lousy. Feel sorry for the management having to deal with that kind of stuff.
As for the game, it was like a training exercise for Armagh. At one point you could hear the players shouting 30 seconds to get a score. Ended up in a wide.
;)
Won't have done either team any good.
Kildare has the population of Roscommon, Cavan and Monaghan put together. They should do better.
Meath in the same boat.
At least Meath did do better in living memkry.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2024, 12:06:44 PMQuote from: APM on February 19, 2024, 11:21:30 AMQuote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2024, 11:17:14 AMQuote from: APM on February 19, 2024, 10:24:42 AMIs it just me or is the media latching on to Kildare's bad form and ripping the bag out of it all week and creating the conditions where things are going to be difficult for the management to recover?
On the Sunday Game last night I think someone said about how Kildare should be challenging for All-Irelands and shouldn't be in the Tailtean Cup. What planet are they on? They won't be happy with where they are at, but Meath, whose record in modern times is much stronger, played in the Tailtean last year.
The media have to have a story and unfortunately this year it is Kildare's turn and they have been given a gift by the chairman whose comments were pretty lousy. Feel sorry for the management having to deal with that kind of stuff.
As for the game, it was like a training exercise for Armagh. At one point you could hear the players shouting 30 seconds to get a score. Ended up in a wide.
;)
Won't have done either team any good.
Kildare has the population of Roscommon, Cavan and Monaghan put together. They should do better.
Meath in the same boat.
At least Meath did do better in living memkry.
That isn't much use now. The thing about the League is that there is a lot of change between round 3 and round 7. A couple of character building wins would do Kildare a lot of good. There isn't much between the bottom 4 teams. Meath aren't consistent enough and neither are Louth.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 19, 2024, 11:11:55 AMFeel sorry for Glenn Ryan?! He knew the media were on the job all week but gave them another story when he attacked a local journalist who has always been very supportive.
Basically accused him of not reporting something and then refused to back down. This is in front of the Examiner, The Indo and The Times...
We are easy fodder on and off the field.
Kildare chairman comments was in no way helpful to begin with. Looking at their remaining fixtures it's looking like relegation but they can avoid the Tailtean Cup by reaching the Leinster final, will likely have to beat Louth,Westhmeath in order to do that. Last year just about avoided the Tailtean Cup and then improved as were competitive against Dublin in the Leinster championship, finished 2nd in their group and lost a fine margin contest to Monaghan who went on to reach the AI semi final.
Cork to avoid the Tailtean Cup will rely on how they do in the league as they are unlikely to reach the Munster final with playing Kerry in the semi final. They have Fermanagh (A) Kildare (H) Meath (A) Armagh (H) might get enough points from that list Meath match looking like a big one and Armagh could rest players for the round 7 game if into the final the following week.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 19, 2024, 03:51:37 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on February 19, 2024, 11:11:55 AMFeel sorry for Glenn Ryan?! He knew the media were on the job all week but gave them another story when he attacked a local journalist who has always been very supportive.
Basically accused him of not reporting something and then refused to back down. This is in front of the Examiner, The Indo and The Times...
We are easy fodder on and off the field.
Kildare chairman comments was in no way helpful to begin with. Looking at their remaining fixtures it's looking like relegation but they can avoid the Tailtean Cup by reaching the Leinster final, will likely have to beat Louth,Westhmeath in order to do that. Last year just about avoided the Tailtean Cup and then improved as were competitive against Dublin in the Leinster championship, finished 2nd in their group and lost a fine margin contest to Monaghan who went on to reach the AI semi final.
Cork to avoid the Tailtean Cup will rely on how they do in the league as they are unlikely to reach the Munster final with playing Kerry in the semi final. They have Fermanagh (A) Kildare (H) Meath (A) Armagh (H) might get enough points from that list Meath match looking like a big one and Armagh could rest players for the round 7 game if into the final the following week.
Round 3 is far too early to write counties off.
Division 2 starts around 31:50 Kildare 39:30
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0219/1433179-kerry-and-mayo-deliver-big-wins-for-dubs-and-galway/
How many people can the GAA ground in Ardee hold?
3,000?
Quote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2024, 07:05:00 PM3,000?
That's what I thought. No way you'll turn up on the day and get in.
Quote from: APM on February 19, 2024, 10:24:42 AMIs it just me or is the media latching on to Kildare's bad form and ripping the bag out of it all week and creating the conditions where things are going to be difficult for the management to recover?
On the Sunday Game last night I think someone said about how Kildare should be challenging for All-Irelands and shouldn't be in the Tailtean Cup. What planet are they on? They won't be happy with where they are at, but Meath, whose record in modern times is much stronger, played in the Tailtean last year.
The media have to have a story and unfortunately this year it is Kildare's turn and they have been given a gift by the chairman whose comments were pretty lousy. Feel sorry for the management having to deal with that kind of stuff.
As for the game, it was like a training exercise for Armagh. At one point you could hear the players shouting 30 seconds to get a score. Ended up in a wide.
;)
Won't have done either team any good.
They looked in a very bad place yesterday and they had a lot of players whose confidence looks on the floor. They need strong leadership to battle their way through but looked to have little either on or off the field.
If it was a premier league team you would say Glen Ryan looks like a dead man walking and if they fail to avoid relegation I fear that he might not be there for championship. He seems like a decent man but they are going backwards and it's going to be very hard to turn that around.
Big week ahead to see where the teams are at, this is the weekend that defines who's challenging for promotion and who's gonna be in a dogfight to stay up...
Meath v Kildare - Home win for me based on previous displays, Kildare were horrible v Armagh and Meath had a good 2nd half v Louth
Louth v Cavan - Away win for me although Louth are not easy beaten at home, Louth's 2nd half display v Meath was v poor. Narrow away win.
Fermanagh v Cork - Fermanagh have been decent in the league so far, had a poor 2nd half v Donegal last week but up to that have been hard to beat. Cork you just don't know what you're gonna get but they really need to win...Draw for me.
Armagh v Donegal - How the hell can you call this one...My orange tinted glasses say narrow home win but really don't know. Whatever the result the winner is almost certain to get promoted.
Quote from: illdecide on February 21, 2024, 08:12:49 PMBig week ahead to see where the teams are at, this is the weekend that defines who's challenging for promotion and who's gonna be in a dogfight to stay up...
Meath v Kildare - Home win for me based on previous displays, Kildare were horrible v Armagh and Meath had a good 2nd half v Louth
Louth v Cavan - Away win for me although Louth are not easy beaten at home, Louth's 2nd half display v Meath was v poor. Narrow away win.
Fermanagh v Cork - Fermanagh have been decent in the league so far, had a poor 2nd half v Donegal last week but up to that have been hard to beat. Cork you just don't know what you're gonna get but they really need to win...Draw for me.
Armagh v Donegal - How the hell can you call this one...My orange tinted glasses say narrow home win but really don't know. Whatever the result the winner is almost certain to get promoted.
Couldn't Armagh and DOnegal agree on a draw and then both of them would be almost certain to be promoted?
Ourselves and Donegal- hard to know how it'll go tbh. Could be an element of shadow boxing given theres a likely league final between the 2 down the line.
Donegal probably abit ahead of us fitness and personnel wise at this stage given we've still the likes of Rian to come back and a couple of lads picked up knocks vs Kildare.
Should be a great day anyway in a packed athletic grounds and giving dry weather, lets hope both teams go for it and give everyone something to cheer.
Fermanagh bringing Cork to Edenery.
They played all there division 3 home games there last year and were unbeaten.
Down management were big fans of the place .
Quote from: armaghniac on February 21, 2024, 08:29:30 PMQuote from: illdecide on February 21, 2024, 08:12:49 PMBig week ahead to see where the teams are at, this is the weekend that defines who's challenging for promotion and who's gonna be in a dogfight to stay up...
Meath v Kildare - Home win for me based on previous displays, Kildare were horrible v Armagh and Meath had a good 2nd half v Louth
Louth v Cavan - Away win for me although Louth are not easy beaten at home, Louth's 2nd half display v Meath was v poor. Narrow away win.
Fermanagh v Cork - Fermanagh have been decent in the league so far, had a poor 2nd half v Donegal last week but up to that have been hard to beat. Cork you just don't know what you're gonna get but they really need to win...Draw for me.
Armagh v Donegal - How the hell can you call this one...My orange tinted glasses say narrow home win but really don't know. Whatever the result the winner is almost certain to get promoted.
Couldn't Armagh and DOnegal agree on a draw and then both of them would be almost certain to be promoted?
Reported, lol.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 21, 2024, 08:29:30 PMQuote from: illdecide on February 21, 2024, 08:12:49 PMBig week ahead to see where the teams are at, this is the weekend that defines who's challenging for promotion and who's gonna be in a dogfight to stay up...
Meath v Kildare - Home win for me based on previous displays, Kildare were horrible v Armagh and Meath had a good 2nd half v Louth
Louth v Cavan - Away win for me although Louth are not easy beaten at home, Louth's 2nd half display v Meath was v poor. Narrow away win.
Fermanagh v Cork - Fermanagh have been decent in the league so far, had a poor 2nd half v Donegal last week but up to that have been hard to beat. Cork you just don't know what you're gonna get but they really need to win...Draw for me.
Armagh v Donegal - How the hell can you call this one...My orange tinted glasses say narrow home win but really don't know. Whatever the result the winner is almost certain to get promoted.
Couldn't Armagh and DOnegal agree on a draw and then both of them would be almost certain to be promoted?
A draw a strong possibility even if they don't agree.
Quote from: illdecide on February 21, 2024, 08:12:49 PMBig week ahead to see where the teams are at, this is the weekend that defines who's challenging for promotion and who's gonna be in a dogfight to stay up...
Meath v Kildare - Home win for me based on previous displays, Kildare were horrible v Armagh and Meath had a good 2nd half v Louth
Louth v Cavan - Away win for me although Louth are not easy beaten at home, Louth's 2nd half display v Meath was v poor. Narrow away win.
Fermanagh v Cork - Fermanagh have been decent in the league so far, had a poor 2nd half v Donegal last week but up to that have been hard to beat. Cork you just don't know what you're gonna get but they really need to win...Draw for me.
Armagh v Donegal - How the hell can you call this one...My orange tinted glasses say narrow home win but really don't know. Whatever the result the winner is almost certain to get promoted.
I'll go with 4 home wins this week but would only really be sure about Meath. The rest will likely be very tight affairs and I would gladly take a draw for Armagh against Donegal now if offered it which would almost guarantee promotion.
Physically Armagh are a bit more robust than Donegal and I think with home advantage that might just edge it. Equally Louth are hard to beat in Ardee which is effectively a regional club ground not really suited to county standard football but they will have an advantage over Cavan and are a hard team to play against anyway.
In the other 2 matches I think Kildare may struggle to pick up any wins in this division given the lack of fight shown by them so far while Cork do not travel well and will struggle to beat Fermanagh who could almost guarantee safety were they to win.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2024, 02:21:36 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 21, 2024, 08:29:30 PMQuote from: illdecide on February 21, 2024, 08:12:49 PMBig week ahead to see where the teams are at, this is the weekend that defines who's challenging for promotion and who's gonna be in a dogfight to stay up...
Meath v Kildare - Home win for me based on previous displays, Kildare were horrible v Armagh and Meath had a good 2nd half v Louth
Louth v Cavan - Away win for me although Louth are not easy beaten at home, Louth's 2nd half display v Meath was v poor. Narrow away win.
Fermanagh v Cork - Fermanagh have been decent in the league so far, had a poor 2nd half v Donegal last week but up to that have been hard to beat. Cork you just don't know what you're gonna get but they really need to win...Draw for me.
Armagh v Donegal - How the hell can you call this one...My orange tinted glasses say narrow home win but really don't know. Whatever the result the winner is almost certain to get promoted.
Couldn't Armagh and DOnegal agree on a draw and then both of them would be almost certain to be promoted?
A draw a strong possibility even if they don't agree.
Both of them are going up. One may get 14 points. 10 will be probably be enough for the other
Meath v Kildare - Can only see a Meath win after Kildares last two games. If Kildare cannot get fired up for this one, their season may as well be over.
Louth v Cavan - Hard to call as both teams are well capable of beating one another, but I think Cavan may edge it.
Fermanagh v Cork - Fermanagh have been impressive in the league so far (bar the second half last week of course) and can see them winning with no fuss.
Armagh v Donegal - Not sure. This will be Donegal's first big test under their new high press style. If it falters against Armagh then there is little hope of it working down the road against the 'bigger' teams.
Vise versa for Armagh, their first big test against a well organised and physically fit team. Interesting to see if they can adopt to facing a tactically better team and coming out the better. I would expect a low scoring game also.
Well
Meath v Kildare. Kildare in melt down but for me have better players than Meath. If management can get them back on board and with desperation for point critical I wouldn't be awful surprised to see Kildare win either. But on form have to go with Meath
Louth v Cavan. Cavan should be good enough to win this. Have the players to shut down louths danger men and if Louth concede Cavans kickouts I think Cavan will win by 4 or 5 points
Armagh v Donegal. Hard to say. Probably a draw is a real possibility but home advantage might swing it for Armagh.
Fermanagh v Cork. I think desperation for points and the fact that Cork are better than points tally is showing means Cork should win this by a few points
Btw, if Armagh draw or lose with Donegal they could potentially still have to beat Cavan to go up. Assuming both Cavan and Armagh win all there other games.
Meath v Kildare.
Louth v Cavan.
Armagh v Donegal.
Fermanagh v Cork.
Four home wins on the cards this weekend.
Quote from: balladmaker on February 22, 2024, 06:58:27 PMMeath v Kildare.
Louth v Cavan.
Armagh v Donegal.
Fermanagh v Cork.
Four home wins on the cards this weekend.
Be my prediction as well but honestly can't call ourselves and Donegal. Very capable of beating them but could also shit the bed like 2020 and 2022.
Cork need a win. Think they might beat Fermanagh. Would maybe see Donegal winning too. Cavan to beat Louth too.
Armagh team named. Could be changes yet but good to see Rian back on the bench.
He was on the bench Vs Kildare
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 22, 2024, 11:11:15 PMHe was on the bench Vs Kildare
Yeah wasn't named originally and was changed then on the day. He was warming up the last day, I'd say we'll see abit of him this week
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 05:09:24 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2024, 02:21:36 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 21, 2024, 08:29:30 PMQuote from: illdecide on February 21, 2024, 08:12:49 PMBig week ahead to see where the teams are at, this is the weekend that defines who's challenging for promotion and who's gonna be in a dogfight to stay up...
Meath v Kildare - Home win for me based on previous displays, Kildare were horrible v Armagh and Meath had a good 2nd half v Louth
Louth v Cavan - Away win for me although Louth are not easy beaten at home, Louth's 2nd half display v Meath was v poor. Narrow away win.
Fermanagh v Cork - Fermanagh have been decent in the league so far, had a poor 2nd half v Donegal last week but up to that have been hard to beat. Cork you just don't know what you're gonna get but they really need to win...Draw for me.
Armagh v Donegal - How the hell can you call this one...My orange tinted glasses say narrow home win but really don't know. Whatever the result the winner is almost certain to get promoted.
Couldn't Armagh and DOnegal agree on a draw and then both of them would be almost certain to be promoted?
A draw a strong possibility even if they don't agree.
Both of them are going up. One may get 14 points. 10 will be probably be enough for the other
If Armagh get to 10, that is likely losing to Donegal and then losing to cavan. If so, cavan have them on head-to-head. More likely they need to get to 12 to go up and will probably do so
Quote from: Dreadnought on February 23, 2024, 08:21:21 AMQuote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 05:09:24 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2024, 02:21:36 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 21, 2024, 08:29:30 PMQuote from: illdecide on February 21, 2024, 08:12:49 PMBig week ahead to see where the teams are at, this is the weekend that defines who's challenging for promotion and who's gonna be in a dogfight to stay up...
Meath v Kildare - Home win for me based on previous displays, Kildare were horrible v Armagh and Meath had a good 2nd half v Louth
Louth v Cavan - Away win for me although Louth are not easy beaten at home, Louth's 2nd half display v Meath was v poor. Narrow away win.
Fermanagh v Cork - Fermanagh have been decent in the league so far, had a poor 2nd half v Donegal last week but up to that have been hard to beat. Cork you just don't know what you're gonna get but they really need to win...Draw for me.
Armagh v Donegal - How the hell can you call this one...My orange tinted glasses say narrow home win but really don't know. Whatever the result the winner is almost certain to get promoted.
Couldn't Armagh and DOnegal agree on a draw and then both of them would be almost certain to be promoted?
A draw a strong possibility even if they don't agree.
Both of them are going up. One may get 14 points. 10 will be probably be enough for the other
If Armagh get to 10, that is likely losing to Donegal and then losing to cavan. If so, cavan have them on head-to-head. More likely they need to get to 12 to go up and will probably do so
I'd say we'll get a bigger test against Cavan than we did last year in the Ulster game. Having said that though Louth have every chance of beating Cavan at the weekend too.
That's a fair strong bench Armagh have, one we havent seen in a while.
Mackin
McCambridge
ONeill x2
Duffy & Nugent
Jarly Og
Kelly
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 23, 2024, 08:50:10 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 23, 2024, 08:21:21 AMQuote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 05:09:24 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2024, 02:21:36 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 21, 2024, 08:29:30 PMQuote from: illdecide on February 21, 2024, 08:12:49 PMBig week ahead to see where the teams are at, this is the weekend that defines who's challenging for promotion and who's gonna be in a dogfight to stay up...
Meath v Kildare - Home win for me based on previous displays, Kildare were horrible v Armagh and Meath had a good 2nd half v Louth
Louth v Cavan - Away win for me although Louth are not easy beaten at home, Louth's 2nd half display v Meath was v poor. Narrow away win.
Fermanagh v Cork - Fermanagh have been decent in the league so far, had a poor 2nd half v Donegal last week but up to that have been hard to beat. Cork you just don't know what you're gonna get but they really need to win...Draw for me.
Armagh v Donegal - How the hell can you call this one...My orange tinted glasses say narrow home win but really don't know. Whatever the result the winner is almost certain to get promoted.
Couldn't Armagh and DOnegal agree on a draw and then both of them would be almost certain to be promoted?
A draw a strong possibility even if they don't agree.
Both of them are going up. One may get 14 points. 10 will be probably be enough for the other
If Armagh get to 10, that is likely losing to Donegal and then losing to cavan. If so, cavan have them on head-to-head. More likely they need to get to 12 to go up and will probably do so
I'd say we'll get a bigger test against Cavan than we did last year in the Ulster game. Having said that though Louth have every chance of beating Cavan at the weekend too.
I think so. We imploded in that game. I had confidence we'd turn up, but a few key guys injured, rotten day for it, and other things and we just didn't turn up. Was never as disheartened after a match as that. Losing I can take, not turning up and firing a single shot is worse. We are looking better this year though, so hopefully so
Aye it'll be tough there. Ardee is a club ground, so very tight and they go well there. Still think we'll come home with something though
Quote from: 5times5times on February 23, 2024, 09:43:59 AMThat's a fair strong bench Armagh have, one we havent seen in a while.
Mackin
McCambridge
ONeill x2
Duffy & Nugent
Jarly Og
Kelly
Yeah plus Conor O'Neill and Higgins on bench as well.
Still have Grimley, McPartlan, Rafferty, Morgan, McQuillan and Cumiskey not named on the panel who could all come in and get their place. Good competition for spots which is what we'll need if we're gonna do anything this year.
Would imagine the 3 O'Neills, Duffy, Morgan and Rafferty will start come championship if fit.
Quote from: Dreadnought on February 23, 2024, 10:10:53 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 23, 2024, 08:50:10 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 23, 2024, 08:21:21 AMQuote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 05:09:24 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2024, 02:21:36 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 21, 2024, 08:29:30 PMQuote from: illdecide on February 21, 2024, 08:12:49 PMBig week ahead to see where the teams are at, this is the weekend that defines who's challenging for promotion and who's gonna be in a dogfight to stay up...
Meath v Kildare - Home win for me based on previous displays, Kildare were horrible v Armagh and Meath had a good 2nd half v Louth
Louth v Cavan - Away win for me although Louth are not easy beaten at home, Louth's 2nd half display v Meath was v poor. Narrow away win.
Fermanagh v Cork - Fermanagh have been decent in the league so far, had a poor 2nd half v Donegal last week but up to that have been hard to beat. Cork you just don't know what you're gonna get but they really need to win...Draw for me.
Armagh v Donegal - How the hell can you call this one...My orange tinted glasses say narrow home win but really don't know. Whatever the result the winner is almost certain to get promoted.
Couldn't Armagh and DOnegal agree on a draw and then both of them would be almost certain to be promoted?
A draw a strong possibility even if they don't agree.
Both of them are going up. One may get 14 points. 10 will be probably be enough for the other
If Armagh get to 10, that is likely losing to Donegal and then losing to cavan. If so, cavan have them on head-to-head. More likely they need to get to 12 to go up and will probably do so
I'd say we'll get a bigger test against Cavan than we did last year in the Ulster game. Having said that though Louth have every chance of beating Cavan at the weekend too.
I think so. We imploded in that game. I had confidence we'd turn up, but a few key guys injured, rotten day for it, and other things and we just didn't turn up. Was never as disheartened after a match as that. Losing I can take, not turning up and firing a single shot is worse. We are looking better this year though, so hopefully so
Aye it'll be tough there. Ardee is a club ground, so very tight and they go well there. Still think we'll come home with something though
Yeah yous must have hit 20 wides from long range potshots that day, remember Rian making a great diving save/block on our goalline when we were maybe 4 or 5 up.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 23, 2024, 10:21:46 AMQuote from: 5times5times on February 23, 2024, 09:43:59 AMThat's a fair strong bench Armagh have, one we havent seen in a while.
Mackin
McCambridge
ONeill x2
Duffy & Nugent
Jarly Og
Kelly
Yeah plus Conor O'Neill and Higgins on bench as well.
Still have Grimley, McPartlan, Rafferty, Morgan, McQuillan and Cumiskey not named on the panel who could all come in and get their place. Good competition for spots which is what we'll need if we're gonna do anything this year.
Would imagine the 3 O'Neills, Duffy, Morgan and Rafferty will start come championship if fit.
The league to date would suggest Oisin O'Neill may be an impact player from bench, Hughes has been very good since his sabbatical and a position I thought may have been a problem will be competitive come championship.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 23, 2024, 10:34:23 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 23, 2024, 10:10:53 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 23, 2024, 08:50:10 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 23, 2024, 08:21:21 AMQuote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 05:09:24 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2024, 02:21:36 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 21, 2024, 08:29:30 PMQuote from: illdecide on February 21, 2024, 08:12:49 PMBig week ahead to see where the teams are at, this is the weekend that defines who's challenging for promotion and who's gonna be in a dogfight to stay up...
Meath v Kildare - Home win for me based on previous displays, Kildare were horrible v Armagh and Meath had a good 2nd half v Louth
Louth v Cavan - Away win for me although Louth are not easy beaten at home, Louth's 2nd half display v Meath was v poor. Narrow away win.
Fermanagh v Cork - Fermanagh have been decent in the league so far, had a poor 2nd half v Donegal last week but up to that have been hard to beat. Cork you just don't know what you're gonna get but they really need to win...Draw for me.
Armagh v Donegal - How the hell can you call this one...My orange tinted glasses say narrow home win but really don't know. Whatever the result the winner is almost certain to get promoted.
Couldn't Armagh and DOnegal agree on a draw and then both of them would be almost certain to be promoted?
A draw a strong possibility even if they don't agree.
Both of them are going up. One may get 14 points. 10 will be probably be enough for the other
If Armagh get to 10, that is likely losing to Donegal and then losing to cavan. If so, cavan have them on head-to-head. More likely they need to get to 12 to go up and will probably do so
I'd say we'll get a bigger test against Cavan than we did last year in the Ulster game. Having said that though Louth have every chance of beating Cavan at the weekend too.
I think so. We imploded in that game. I had confidence we'd turn up, but a few key guys injured, rotten day for it, and other things and we just didn't turn up. Was never as disheartened after a match as that. Losing I can take, not turning up and firing a single shot is worse. We are looking better this year though, so hopefully so
Aye it'll be tough there. Ardee is a club ground, so very tight and they go well there. Still think we'll come home with something though
Yeah yous must have hit 20 wides from long range potshots that day, remember Rian making a great diving save/block on our goalline when we were maybe 4 or 5 up.
Aye he did. the mad thing is, if we got that goal we may well have got back into it and got something out of it, but wouldn't have been deserved. We hit so many bad wides as you say that we just didn;t judge things well
If Fermanagh beat Cork and Meath beat Kildare, 5 points should hopefully to make us safe. Cork were very competitive against Cavan so it will be a very close game.
Quote from: Dreadnought on February 23, 2024, 08:21:21 AMQuote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 05:09:24 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2024, 02:21:36 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 21, 2024, 08:29:30 PMQuote from: illdecide on February 21, 2024, 08:12:49 PMBig week ahead to see where the teams are at, this is the weekend that defines who's challenging for promotion and who's gonna be in a dogfight to stay up...
Meath v Kildare - Home win for me based on previous displays, Kildare were horrible v Armagh and Meath had a good 2nd half v Louth
Louth v Cavan - Away win for me although Louth are not easy beaten at home, Louth's 2nd half display v Meath was v poor. Narrow away win.
Fermanagh v Cork - Fermanagh have been decent in the league so far, had a poor 2nd half v Donegal last week but up to that have been hard to beat. Cork you just don't know what you're gonna get but they really need to win...Draw for me.
Armagh v Donegal - How the hell can you call this one...My orange tinted glasses say narrow home win but really don't know. Whatever the result the winner is almost certain to get promoted.
Couldn't Armagh and DOnegal agree on a draw and then both of them would be almost certain to be promoted?
A draw a strong possibility even if they don't agree.
Both of them are going up. One may get 14 points. 10 will be probably be enough for the other
If Armagh get to 10, that is likely losing to Donegal and then losing to cavan. If so, cavan have them on head-to-head. More likely they need to get to 12 to go up and will probably do so
This is Armagh. We are capable of winning the next 4 games. Equally, we are capable of losing them
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 23, 2024, 01:11:45 PMThis is Armagh. We are capable of winning the next 4 games. Equally, we are capable of losing them
Depending on how Cork do, they might be quite motivated to win the last game.
Quote from: statto on February 23, 2024, 10:50:06 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 23, 2024, 10:21:46 AMQuote from: 5times5times on February 23, 2024, 09:43:59 AMThat's a fair strong bench Armagh have, one we havent seen in a while.
Mackin
McCambridge
ONeill x2
Duffy & Nugent
Jarly Og
Kelly
Yeah plus Conor O'Neill and Higgins on bench as well.
Still have Grimley, McPartlan, Rafferty, Morgan, McQuillan and Cumiskey not named on the panel who could all come in and get their place. Good competition for spots which is what we'll need if we're gonna do anything this year.
Would imagine the 3 O'Neills, Duffy, Morgan and Rafferty will start come championship if fit.
The league to date would suggest Oisin O'Neill may be an impact player from bench, Hughes has been very good since his sabbatical and a position I thought may have been a problem will be competitive come championship.
Agreed, Hughes has looked very assured on his return, he even seems to have a bigger physical presence than before. That said I think he's only keeping the gloves warm for Ethan when he returns, as he offers us something that Hughes can't in an attacking sense.
Oisin O'Neill is a strange one. He was our best player in the McKenna cup but has struggled for minutes since then. He is the type of player who needs to be playing regularly to see the best of him. If he is fit he is the best midfielder in the county but fitness issues have hampered him.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 23, 2024, 04:26:26 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on February 23, 2024, 01:11:45 PMThis is Armagh. We are capable of winning the next 4 games. Equally, we are capable of losing them
Depending on how Cork do, they might be quite motivated to win the last game.
Hopefully we can afford to not be too worried about it by then.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 23, 2024, 05:07:45 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 23, 2024, 04:26:26 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on February 23, 2024, 01:11:45 PMThis is Armagh. We are capable of winning the next 4 games. Equally, we are capable of losing them
Depending on how Cork do, they might be quite motivated to win the last game.
Hopefully we can afford to not be too worried about it by then.
Sunday can help there.
Meath 0-06
Kildare 0-05
Halftime. Neither side really controlling the game. Meath we're looking like pulling away at one point being 3 up but just didn't press ahead giving away possession too easily and now Campion is on a black card for the first few minutes of the second half. We'll have the wind with us second half and we're usually stronger in the 2nd half.
Is there something wrong with iplayer. Doesn't seem to be working for me
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 25, 2024, 03:35:39 PMIs there something wrong with iplayer. Doesn't seem to be working for me
Working fine here for me. Search GAA Live
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 25, 2024, 03:35:39 PMIs there something wrong with iplayer. Doesn't seem to be working for me
it's been terrible from the start, unwatchable
Terrible stream. Hopefully they'll get it fixed at half time.
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 25, 2024, 03:37:25 PMQuote from: Walter Cronc on February 25, 2024, 03:35:39 PMIs there something wrong with iplayer. Doesn't seem to be working for me
it's been terrible from the start, unwatchable
BBC are not looking too professional here.
It worse than not having a broadcast
Fermanagh beat by a point.
Nobody to blame but themselves .
Were leading the whole game until injury time.
Cavan beat Louth by a point in Ardee. After leading by 6 at one stage. Tight game, on a tight heavy field. Never saw such a poor reffing performance (hate talking about refs) but clear from early he was losing control of this match and it turned into farce at times. Huge brawl, off the ball hits and all sorts. 3 sent off. Happy to just get out of there with 2 points
Too the surprise of nobody Donegal v Armagh finishes in a draw.
Cork get off the mark but Kildare lose again
Donegal must have missed five chances to win that game in the last 10 minutes
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 25, 2024, 04:34:49 PMToo the surprise of nobody Donegal v Armagh finishes in a draw.
Both sides will be happy with that result, should guarantee promotion for both. Cavan will feel as if they are still in with an outside chance but we have them at home so I'd expect to win that.
Quote from: Dreadnought on February 25, 2024, 04:13:33 PMCavan beat Louth by a point in Ardee. After leading by 6 at one stage. Tight game, on a tight heavy field. Never saw such a poor reffing performance (hate talking about refs) but clear from early he was losing control of this match and it turned into farce at times. Huge brawl, off the ball hits and all sorts. 3 sent off. Happy to just get out of there with 2 points
A massive brawl with several strikes and headlocks with lads dragged to the ground dangerously.
Yet two of the red cards were for harmless tangles.
That said, James and Oisin only have themselves to blame. James in particular let the team down. We looked comfortable at that point.
Quote from: yellowcard on February 25, 2024, 04:50:02 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 25, 2024, 04:34:49 PMToo the surprise of nobody Donegal v Armagh finishes in a draw.
Both sides will be happy with that result, should guarantee promotion for both. Cavan will feel as if they are still in with an outside chance but we have them at home so I'd expect to win that.
Has much changed from a Cavan point of view? We needed to beat Armagh to go up anyway, that hasn't changed.
Quote from: Westside on February 25, 2024, 04:56:19 PMQuote from: yellowcard on February 25, 2024, 04:50:02 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 25, 2024, 04:34:49 PMToo the surprise of nobody Donegal v Armagh finishes in a draw.
Both sides will be happy with that result, should guarantee promotion for both. Cavan will feel as if they are still in with an outside chance but we have them at home so I'd expect to win that.
Has much changed from a Cavan point of view? We needed to beat Armagh to go up anyway, that hasn't changed.
It's still theoretically in Cavans hands if they win all their games. Providing we beat Cavan at home though we only need a draw from our 2 remaining matches to guarantee promotion.
Quote from: yellowcard on February 25, 2024, 05:05:01 PMQuote from: Westside on February 25, 2024, 04:56:19 PMQuote from: yellowcard on February 25, 2024, 04:50:02 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 25, 2024, 04:34:49 PMToo the surprise of nobody Donegal v Armagh finishes in a draw.
Both sides will be happy with that result, should guarantee promotion for both. Cavan will feel as if they are still in with an outside chance but we have them at home so I'd expect to win that.
Has much changed from a Cavan point of view? We needed to beat Armagh to go up anyway, that hasn't changed.
It's still theoretically in Cavans hands if they win all their games. Providing we beat Cavan at home though we only need a draw from our 2 remaining matches to guarantee promotion.
I still don't see how the draw today should guarantee promotion for Armagh. If they lose to Cavan it was going to drastically reduce their chances of promotion. That was true regardless of their result today.
Quote from: greatpoint on February 25, 2024, 04:41:40 PMDonegal must have missed five chances to win that game in the last 10 minutes
We missed a fair few chances ourselves. Some score form rian
February All Ireland champions looked vulnerable enough today.
Quote from: trailer on February 25, 2024, 05:51:57 PMFebruary All Ireland champions looked vulnerable enough today.
Are Derry not division one?
Armagh missed enough to have wrapped it up with a couple of points to spare. On the other hand, happy to get out with a draw following the penalty save. Any two from Armagh, Donegal and Cavan to go up ... with Armagh v Cavan on March 16th having ever increasing relevance. Two points also essential in Enniskillen next Saturday evening.
Donegal looked very poor today making a lot of basic mistakes.
Hard to make a full judgement on a Jimmy McGuinness side in the league though god knows what training thy are doing mid week.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 25, 2024, 06:15:30 PMDonegal looked very poor today making a lot of basic mistakes.
Hard to make a full judgement on a Jimmy McGuinness side in the league though god knows what training thy are doing mid week.
Both sides had some good play,and then made stupid mistakes having already done the hard work.
The latter can be reduced as the season goes on.
Strong finish for Meath leaves us on 5 points and looking safe from the drop. A win against Cavan next weekend would be huge and if Cork are still floundering we could by on 9 points going into the final game against Donegal with it all to play for. But by no means are we favourite's to beat Cavan.
Quote from: Westside on February 25, 2024, 04:54:02 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 25, 2024, 04:13:33 PMCavan beat Louth by a point in Ardee. After leading by 6 at one stage. Tight game, on a tight heavy field. Never saw such a poor reffing performance (hate talking about refs) but clear from early he was losing control of this match and it turned into farce at times. Huge brawl, off the ball hits and all sorts. 3 sent off. Happy to just get out of there with 2 points
A massive brawl with several strikes and headlocks with lads dragged to the ground dangerously.
Yet two of the red cards were for harmless tangles.
That said, James and Oisin only have themselves to blame. James in particular let the team down. We looked comfortable at that point.
Slightly harsh possibly. Look, they shouldn't have reacted. But both lads were targeted all game, especially when they got cards. Ref lost control that way. Louth lads knew they could go after and look for a reaction and ref would do nothing. Only did something once they got that reaction. Like what on earth was the keeper doing up inside our 45 going at Brady when he was trying to leave the field?
They'll know themselves they shouldn't have reacted. We'll support them and move on with a win. We're learning more and more every game
Quote from: Dreadnought on February 25, 2024, 08:35:21 PMQuote from: Westside on February 25, 2024, 04:54:02 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 25, 2024, 04:13:33 PMCavan beat Louth by a point in Ardee. After leading by 6 at one stage. Tight game, on a tight heavy field. Never saw such a poor reffing performance (hate talking about refs) but clear from early he was losing control of this match and it turned into farce at times. Huge brawl, off the ball hits and all sorts. 3 sent off. Happy to just get out of there with 2 points
A massive brawl with several strikes and headlocks with lads dragged to the ground dangerously.
Yet two of the red cards were for harmless tangles.
That said, James and Oisin only have themselves to blame. James in particular let the team down. We looked comfortable at that point.
Slightly harsh possibly. Look, they shouldn't have reacted. But both lads were targeted all game, especially when they got cards. Ref lost control that way. Louth lads knew they could go after and look for a reaction and ref would do nothing. Only did something once they got that reaction. Like what on earth was the keeper doing up inside our 45 going at Brady when he was trying to leave the field?
They'll know themselves they shouldn't have reacted. We'll support them and move on with a win. We're learning more and more every game
The linesmen are to blame too. James got a yellow for the reaction but the linesman clearly saw the Louth player cling to his leg on the ground and continually drag and push him off the ball in the few seconfs before he reacted, yet it went unpunished.
It's easy talking from the line, I appreciate that. But retaining composure off the ball and not giving the ref an easy decision to send you off should be a basic contribution to the team. And I'd say the same for Faulkner and Gunner last week.
Just seen Armagh v Donegal highlights and the Armagh keeper looked well off his line when saving the penalty.
Next Week in Div 2:
Fermanagh v Armagh
Cavan v Meath
Donegal v Louth
Cork v Kildare
I see 2 games in Div2 got no highlights as RTE thought fans would like to see 5 minutes of Jarlath Burns instead. Along with extensive highlights of the matches that were already shown on tv earlier. That league Sunday is a joke shop of a program.
"Let's look at division 3, Sligo and Antrim going well" despite Antrim being bet by 7 points today. How lazy and unprofessional.
I agree the Sunday game was a joke tonight.
The games they showed in detail were already televised.
Whole thing was rushed to fit in the hurling aswell
Could have won that well, could have been beat well. Sitting nicely to go up though but will get nothing handy against Fermanagh or Cavan. Still loads of men to come back in and great to see Rian back.
Didn't get seeing the replay but was told by someone that Donegal never should have had a penalty. Anyone got a clip of it or were close enough to judge it.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 08:01:06 AMDidn't get seeing the replay but was told by someone that Donegal never should have had a penalty. Anyone got a clip of it or were close enough to judge it.
It was on the TV last night. Thought it was a penalty alright
Quote from: Dreadnought on February 26, 2024, 08:02:59 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 08:01:06 AMDidn't get seeing the replay but was told by someone that Donegal never should have had a penalty. Anyone got a clip of it or were close enough to judge it.
It was on the TV last night. Thought it was a penalty alright
Was too far away to call it tbh. At least it didn't matter in the end thankfully.
Big couple of games now for us against Fermanagh and yourselves.
I haven't seen it back yet, but I was behind that net and thought it was a very soft penalty. That also being said, it looked like a Donegal "wide" sailed straight between the posts. All the supporters around me were baffled that it was called wide.
I though Armagh were very wasteful, especially in the 1st half. Trying to force passes that weren't really on. They looked a lot more threatening when Soup and Jarly Óg were introduced and a bit of purposeful running was injected into the attack. I Cant understand Jarly's decision to go for a fisted point at the end. From where I was it didnt look like a kicked effort would be blocked.
I think most Armagh supporters would have left thinking a draw was ok, considering the team played within themselves for large periods.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 08:30:31 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 26, 2024, 08:02:59 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 08:01:06 AMDidn't get seeing the replay but was told by someone that Donegal never should have had a penalty. Anyone got a clip of it or were close enough to judge it.
It was on the TV last night. Thought it was a penalty alright
Was too far away to call it tbh. At least it didn't matter in the end thankfully.
Big couple of games now for us against Fermanagh and yourselves.
i think the Round 6 game between ourselves and yourselves is the biggest game remaining. That one will tell who is promoted. Can't wait for it, and hope it's picked up by TV too. We haven't had a game on yet
Quote from: Dreadnought on February 26, 2024, 09:27:08 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 08:30:31 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 26, 2024, 08:02:59 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 08:01:06 AMDidn't get seeing the replay but was told by someone that Donegal never should have had a penalty. Anyone got a clip of it or were close enough to judge it.
It was on the TV last night. Thought it was a penalty alright
Was too far away to call it tbh. At least it didn't matter in the end thankfully.
Big couple of games now for us against Fermanagh and yourselves.
i think the Round 6 game between ourselves and yourselves is the biggest game remaining. That one will tell who is promoted. Can't wait for it, and hope it's picked up by TV too. We haven't had a game on yet
It'll be on bbc iplayer I'd say but maybe you can't get it in the south.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 09:33:53 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 26, 2024, 09:27:08 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 08:30:31 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 26, 2024, 08:02:59 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 08:01:06 AMDidn't get seeing the replay but was told by someone that Donegal never should have had a penalty. Anyone got a clip of it or were close enough to judge it.
It was on the TV last night. Thought it was a penalty alright
Was too far away to call it tbh. At least it didn't matter in the end thankfully.
Big couple of games now for us against Fermanagh and yourselves.
i think the Round 6 game between ourselves and yourselves is the biggest game remaining. That one will tell who is promoted. Can't wait for it, and hope it's picked up by TV too. We haven't had a game on yet
It'll be on bbc iplayer I'd say but maybe you can't get it in the south.
Yeah it might be, but not announced yet. Really hope it is. I'll be at it anyway
Quote from: clarshack on February 25, 2024, 10:08:19 PMJust seen Armagh v Donegal highlights and the Armagh keeper looked well off his line when saving the penalty.
Yeah I thought that too, but it was also a poorly hit penalty and just in the sweet spot for saving.
It was a decent game, but wasn't high quality.
McBrearty off his game?
Quote from: Dreadnought on February 26, 2024, 09:27:08 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 08:30:31 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 26, 2024, 08:02:59 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 08:01:06 AMDidn't get seeing the replay but was told by someone that Donegal never should have had a penalty. Anyone got a clip of it or were close enough to judge it.
It was on the TV last night. Thought it was a penalty alright
Was too far away to call it tbh. At least it didn't matter in the end thankfully.
Big couple of games now for us against Fermanagh and yourselves.
i think the Round 6 game between ourselves and yourselves is the biggest game remaining. That one will tell who is promoted. Can't wait for it, and hope it's picked up by TV too. We haven't had a game on yet
we have to beat fermanagh and you have to beat Meath first of all
Quote from: tbrick18 on February 26, 2024, 09:41:15 AMQuote from: clarshack on February 25, 2024, 10:08:19 PMJust seen Armagh v Donegal highlights and the Armagh keeper looked well off his line when saving the penalty.
Yeah I thought that too, but it was also a poorly hit penalty and just in the sweet spot for saving.
It was a decent game, but wasn't high quality.
McBrearty off his game?
Kicked a fair few points for a boy off his game. Not the player he was but still quality.
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 26, 2024, 09:49:28 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 26, 2024, 09:27:08 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 08:30:31 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on February 26, 2024, 08:02:59 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 08:01:06 AMDidn't get seeing the replay but was told by someone that Donegal never should have had a penalty. Anyone got a clip of it or were close enough to judge it.
It was on the TV last night. Thought it was a penalty alright
Was too far away to call it tbh. At least it didn't matter in the end thankfully.
Big couple of games now for us against Fermanagh and yourselves.
i think the Round 6 game between ourselves and yourselves is the biggest game remaining. That one will tell who is promoted. Can't wait for it, and hope it's picked up by TV too. We haven't had a game on yet
we have to beat fermanagh and you have to beat Meath first of all
Oh I get that, but with current points total and all that, it still will be a huge game with ramifications on positions
The lads on local radio are saying Kildare are trying their best and they are complaining about faceless people on forums and how we need to get behind the lads...
Naturally the Kildare forum is very annoyed and there are some of the usual head-d-balls talking about the players and camp being losers and having no balls...
After all the recent stuff you would presume there would be some kind of siege mentality but not to be. Looks like it's Division 3. If Cork beat us, I could see the wheels are totally off and we won't get a win.
I really worry what Donegal will do to us...
Quote from: Itchy on February 25, 2024, 10:54:32 PMI see 2 games in Div2 got no highlights as RTE thought fans would like to see 5 minutes of Jarlath Burns instead. Along with extensive highlights of the matches that were already shown on tv earlier. That league Sunday is a joke shop of a program.
"Let's look at division 3, Sligo and Antrim going well" despite Antrim being bet by 7 points today. How lazy and unprofessional.
Seen that myself and was like 'did she just say Antrim going well after being beat by 7 lol'
Quote from: tintin25 on February 26, 2024, 01:09:17 PMQuote from: Itchy on February 25, 2024, 10:54:32 PMI see 2 games in Div2 got no highlights as RTE thought fans would like to see 5 minutes of Jarlath Burns instead. Along with extensive highlights of the matches that were already shown on tv earlier. That league Sunday is a joke shop of a program.
"Let's look at division 3, Sligo and Antrim going well" despite Antrim being bet by 7 points today. How lazy and unprofessional.
Seen that myself and was like 'did she just say Antrim going well after being beat by 7 lol'
Perhaps they still thought that was above average for Antrim.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 08:01:06 AMDidn't get seeing the replay but was told by someone that Donegal never should have had a penalty. Anyone got a clip of it or were close enough to judge it.
It was a strange one. I thought the ref made his mind up early gave it after what looked a decent tackle but had he not blown his whistle then I think what followed was more a penalty. Then to add confusion he seemed to speak to an Umpire about whether or not it was a penalty.
All that said I thought there was a worse decision on Armagh's second or third last point. Armagh had the ball inside the 14, 2 on 2 and the ref blew for what looked all day long like an off the ball deliberate body collision to stop a man getting free inside. I was convinced it was going to a black card and a real question if it would be one of those penalties but no card at all was produced.
Armagh and Donegal was entertaining enough yesterday without an awful lot of quality on display.
Weird enough flow to the game, with both sides losing their way for long periods. Also thought both looked very leggy as the second half went on - a lot of poor wides at either end in the 20 mins would speak to that.
So, perhaps with neither putting too much focus on proceedings, I'd say everyone is quite happy with the draw.
Best for Armagh were Hughes and Murnin. Also thought Duffy made a real difference when brought in. Bit of a nightmare showing for JOB on his introduction, got on the ball plenty but nothing seemed to go right. Maybe his weekend had already been too busy.
Looks like that's Donegal home and hosed now. Cavan the only real threat to Armagh. Looks like that round 6 game will be winner takes all - wouldn't like to be heading to Breffni for that, but home advantage should see Armagh over the line.
Quote from: David McKeown on February 26, 2024, 02:48:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 08:01:06 AMDidn't get seeing the replay but was told by someone that Donegal never should have had a penalty. Anyone got a clip of it or were close enough to judge it.
It was a strange one. I thought the ref made his mind up early gave it after what looked a decent tackle but had he not blown his whistle then I think what followed was more a penalty. Then to add confusion he seemed to speak to an Umpire about whether or not it was a penalty.
All that said I thought there was a worse decision on Armagh's second or third last point. Armagh had the ball inside the 14, 2 on 2 and the ref blew for what looked all day long like an off the ball deliberate body collision to stop a man getting free inside. I was convinced it was going to a black card and a real question if it would be one of those penalties but no card at all was produced.
Cheers, might give the game a rewatch on iplayer an evening this week. Particularly want to see Rians point, Forkers in the first half and that bicycle kick from Mackin to gwt himself out of trouble- don't think I've ever seen anyone do that before!
Also thought one of the Donegal lads could have seen yellow or red for a tussle with Forker- definitely drove Forkers head into the ground with a forearm while they were on the ground- linesman had a pretty clear view of it.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 03:58:59 PMQuote from: David McKeown on February 26, 2024, 02:48:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 08:01:06 AMDidn't get seeing the replay but was told by someone that Donegal never should have had a penalty. Anyone got a clip of it or were close enough to judge it.
It was a strange one. I thought the ref made his mind up early gave it after what looked a decent tackle but had he not blown his whistle then I think what followed was more a penalty. Then to add confusion he seemed to speak to an Umpire about whether or not it was a penalty.
All that said I thought there was a worse decision on Armagh's second or third last point. Armagh had the ball inside the 14, 2 on 2 and the ref blew for what looked all day long like an off the ball deliberate body collision to stop a man getting free inside. I was convinced it was going to a black card and a real question if it would be one of those penalties but no card at all was produced.
Cheers, might give the game a rewatch on iplayer an evening this week. Particularly want to see Rians point, Forkers in the first half and that bicycle kick from Mackin to gwt himself out of trouble- don't think I've ever seen anyone do that before!
Also thought one of the Donegal lads could have seen yellow or red for a tussle with Forker- definitely drove Forkers head into the ground with a forearm while they were on the ground- linesman had a pretty clear view of it.
Good luck trying to watch on iplayer absolutely horrific from the bbc.
Quote from: statto on February 26, 2024, 04:35:44 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 03:58:59 PMQuote from: David McKeown on February 26, 2024, 02:48:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 08:01:06 AMDidn't get seeing the replay but was told by someone that Donegal never should have had a penalty. Anyone got a clip of it or were close enough to judge it.
It was a strange one. I thought the ref made his mind up early gave it after what looked a decent tackle but had he not blown his whistle then I think what followed was more a penalty. Then to add confusion he seemed to speak to an Umpire about whether or not it was a penalty.
All that said I thought there was a worse decision on Armagh's second or third last point. Armagh had the ball inside the 14, 2 on 2 and the ref blew for what looked all day long like an off the ball deliberate body collision to stop a man getting free inside. I was convinced it was going to a black card and a real question if it would be one of those penalties but no card at all was produced.
Cheers, might give the game a rewatch on iplayer an evening this week. Particularly want to see Rians point, Forkers in the first half and that bicycle kick from Mackin to gwt himself out of trouble- don't think I've ever seen anyone do that before!
Also thought one of the Donegal lads could have seen yellow or red for a tussle with Forker- definitely drove Forkers head into the ground with a forearm while they were on the ground- linesman had a pretty clear view of it.
Good luck trying to watch on iplayer absolutely horrific from the bbc.
Yeah so I was told. 2nd half better though is it?
Quote from: statto on February 26, 2024, 04:35:44 PMGood luck trying to watch on iplayer absolutely horrific from the bbc.
it is complete crap, you'd think they would load up a clean version.
There's a clean version on you tube.
Couple of incidents in the first half that should have yielded cards - Odhran Doherty with a shoulder into the head/front of an Armagh man (round about 19 minutes), and then Forker dropping the knees onto a Donegal man on the ground.
Poor penalty by Gallen - perfect height to be saved. Keeper was a long way off the line right enough, but that's on the linesman to spot. I'd say he would have saved it even if he had stayed put. It was a clear penalty - don't feel there's much of a question about that.
Clear point waved wide for Donegal, but a draw was fair enough. The concern for both teams is how careless they were in possession and how easily they coughed up turnovers. It's all very well talking about shadow boxing, but let's be honest, that was two division 2 teams battling it out. That display wouldn't trouble the majority of the teams in Division 1.
Quote from: StephenC on February 26, 2024, 08:03:17 PMThere's a clean version on you tube.
Couple of incidents in the first half that should have yielded cards - Odhran Doherty with a shoulder into the head/front of an Armagh man (round about 19 minutes), and then Forker dropping the knees onto a Donegal man on the ground.
Poor penalty by Gallen - perfect height to be saved. Keeper was a long way off the line right enough, but that's on the linesman to spot. I'd say he would have saved it even if he had stayed put. It was a clear penalty - don't feel there's much of a question about that.
Clear point waved wide for Donegal, but a draw was fair enough. The concern for both teams is how careless they were in possession and how easily they coughed up turnovers. It's all very well talking about shadow boxing, but let's be honest, that was two division 2 teams battling it out. That display wouldn't trouble the majority of the teams in Division 1.
Will have to give it a rewatch cheers, dont remember the 2 possible card incidents and was too far away to judge the penalty to be honest.
Dont think the display was any worse than anything in division one outside Derry, Dublin and Darragh Canavan. Its still only February as well.
Quote from: StephenC on February 26, 2024, 08:03:17 PMThere's a clean version on you tube.
Couple of incidents in the first half that should have yielded cards - Odhran Doherty with a shoulder into the head/front of an Armagh man (round about 19 minutes), and then Forker dropping the knees onto a Donegal man on the ground.
Poor penalty by Gallen - perfect height to be saved. Keeper was a long way off the line right enough, but that's on the linesman to spot. I'd say he would have saved it even if he had stayed put. It was a clear penalty - don't feel there's much of a question about that.
Clear point waved wide for Donegal, but a draw was fair enough. The concern for both teams is how careless they were in possession and how easily they coughed up turnovers. It's all very well talking about shadow boxing, but let's be honest, that was two division 2 teams battling it out. That display wouldn't trouble the majority of the teams in Division 1.
The two incidents you mention; both players were lucky I felt but the ref spoke to both and was consistent in how he dealt with them. We want consistency from refs so fair play to him for that - even tho I felt he was wrong in how he did deal with them
If Kildare get relegated they will be odds on for the Tailteann. Relegation last year did Meath no harm.
Quote from: seafoid on February 26, 2024, 08:54:56 PMIf Kildare get relegated they will be odds on for the Tailteann. Relegation last year did Meath no harm.
Meath didn't get relegated last year it was Clare and Limerick. Kildare can still avoid the Tailteann cup by beating the winner of Westmeath v Wicklow in the Leinster Quarter final and then beat Louth,Carlow or Wexford in the semi final.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 26, 2024, 09:05:29 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 26, 2024, 08:54:56 PMIf Kildare get relegated they will be odds on for the Tailteann. Relegation last year did Meath no harm.
Meath didn't get relegated last year it was Clare and Limerick. Kildare can still avoid the Tailteann cup by beating the winner of Westmeath v Wicklow in the Leinster Quarter final and then beat Louth,Carlow or Wexford in the semi final.
There is a good chance for them in Leinster, but they are no better than Louth right now.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 26, 2024, 10:42:49 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 26, 2024, 09:05:29 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 26, 2024, 08:54:56 PMIf Kildare get relegated they will be odds on for the Tailteann. Relegation last year did Meath no harm.
Meath didn't get relegated last year it was Clare and Limerick. Kildare can still avoid the Tailteann cup by beating the winner of Westmeath v Wicklow in the Leinster Quarter final and then beat Louth,Carlow or Wexford in the semi final.
There is a good chance for them in Leinster, but they are no better than Louth right now.
They have to win a match first. If they ended the League on a win maybe they could win in Leinster. The psychology must be a mess. But the Tailteann...
Quote from: armaghniac on February 26, 2024, 05:36:11 PMQuote from: statto on February 26, 2024, 04:35:44 PMGood luck trying to watch on iplayer absolutely horrific from the bbc.
it is complete crap, you'd think they would load up a clean version.
I watched about 50 mins of the game on GAAGO and it was watchable but just SD quality, below GAAGO's current good standards.
I saw this elsewhere, from https://twitter.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1761821085073326114
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Quote from: armaghniac on February 28, 2024, 07:27:00 PMI saw this elsewhere, from https://twitter.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1761821085073326114
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That win on Sunday made a huge difference to Cork
Doing an accum for the weekend.
Does anybody see any chance for Kildare this weekend?
Are they down more bodies from last weekend?
10/3 is fair odds.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 29, 2024, 03:25:42 PMDoing an accum for the weekend.
Does anybody see any chance for Kildare this weekend?
Are they down more bodies from last weekend?
10/3 is fair odds.
I know Ben McCormick went off injured last week but not sure how he's faring at the moment. I would take a Cork win at home over Kildare, they collapsed against us after getting the lead.
i don't see signs of a revival but Cork are have shown something.
Same Meath team as last week except Moriarty on the bench.
1. Sean Brennan (Dún Doire)
2. Donal Keogan (Rath Coinnig)
3. Adam O'Neill (Bhulf Tón)
4. Brian O'Halloran (Baile Íomhair)
5. Ciaran Caulfield (Átha Troim)
6. Darragh Campion (Scrín)
7. Sean Coffey (Baile na Breacaighe)
8. Ronan Jones (Naomh Peadar Dún Bóinne) (Capt.)
9. Cian McBride (Naomh Ultain)
10. Daithí McGowan (Rath Tó)
11. Eoghan Frayne (Druim Samhraidh)
12. Jack O'Connor (Currach Átha)
13. Shane Walsh (Na Fianna)
14. Mathew Costello (Domhnach Seachnaill)
15. Cathal Hickey (Baile Sencaill)
SUBS
Billy Hogan (Maigh Dearmhaí)
Michael Flood (Naomh Bríd)
Michael Murphy (Naomh Peadar Dún Bóinne)
Adam McDonnell (Druim Samhraidh)
Brian O'Reilly (Naomh Mícheál)
Ruairí Kinsella (Domhnach Seachnaill)
Ross Ryan (Druim Samhraidh)
Keith Curtis (Rath Coinnig)
Aaron Lynch (Átha Troim)
Danny Dixon (Bórd an Mhuilinn)
Diarmuid Moriarty (Currach Átha)
We've named the same team that was named last week which had late changes then. I'd say we'll see more changes to that 15 this week. Hope to see the 2 O'Neills get at least a half each.
Quote from: Orior on February 18, 2024, 08:30:42 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 18, 2024, 04:29:53 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2024, 03:49:05 PMThat was some rendition of Amhrán na bhFiann!
Proper gusto
Noticeably, nobody tried to sing along.
Armagh decent, Kildare rank.
Which match were you at? Great rendition of Amhrán na bhFiann at Corrigan Park too.
Was refereeing up the county, thats the problem with being a ref, you only get to see the game you're at!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2024, 01:17:03 PMQuote from: Orior on February 18, 2024, 08:30:42 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 18, 2024, 04:29:53 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2024, 03:49:05 PMThat was some rendition of Amhrán na bhFiann!
Proper gusto
Noticeably, nobody tried to sing along.
Armagh decent, Kildare rank.
Which match were you at? Great rendition of Amhrán na bhFiann at Corrigan Park too.
Was refereeing up the county, thats the problem with being a ref, you only get to see the game you're at!
But some Refs ( according to some opinions) appear to see games they are not at
Quote from: Derryman forever on March 01, 2024, 01:36:30 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2024, 01:17:03 PMQuote from: Orior on February 18, 2024, 08:30:42 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 18, 2024, 04:29:53 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2024, 03:49:05 PMThat was some rendition of Amhrán na bhFiann!
Proper gusto
Noticeably, nobody tried to sing along.
Armagh decent, Kildare rank.
Which match were you at? Great rendition of Amhrán na bhFiann at Corrigan Park too.
Was refereeing up the county, thats the problem with being a ref, you only get to see the game you're at!
But some Refs ( according to some opinions) appear to see games they are not at
I know! Crazy that televised games can be watched when recorded, I hope that technology gets around the country soon
Fermanagh V Armagh pitch inspection tomorrow at midday.
I would be very surprised if this match goes ahead with the amount of snow that has fallen .
Quote from: FermGael on March 01, 2024, 06:10:52 PMFermanagh V Armagh pitch inspection tomorrow at midday.
I would be very surprised if this match goes ahead with the amount of snow that has fallen .
Whats options if not? Move to Armagh? Play it Sunday?
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 01, 2024, 07:07:59 PMQuote from: FermGael on March 01, 2024, 06:10:52 PMFermanagh V Armagh pitch inspection tomorrow at midday.
I would be very surprised if this match goes ahead with the amount of snow that has fallen .
Whats options if not? Move to Armagh? Play it Sunday?
Play it Sunday should be an option, the snow will be gone whatever about the water content of the pitch.
Would think it will be moved to the following weekend
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 03:58:59 PMQuote from: David McKeown on February 26, 2024, 02:48:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2024, 08:01:06 AMDidn't get seeing the replay but was told by someone that Donegal never should have had a penalty. Anyone got a clip of it or were close enough to judge it.
It was a strange one. I thought the ref made his mind up early gave it after what looked a decent tackle but had he not blown his whistle then I think what followed was more a penalty. Then to add confusion he seemed to speak to an Umpire about whether or not it was a penalty.
All that said I thought there was a worse decision on Armagh's second or third last point. Armagh had the ball inside the 14, 2 on 2 and the ref blew for what looked all day long like an off the ball deliberate body collision to stop a man getting free inside. I was convinced it was going to a black card and a real question if it would be one of those penalties but no card at all was produced.
Cheers, might give the game a rewatch on iplayer an evening this week. Particularly want to see Rians point, Forkers in the first half and that bicycle kick from Mackin to gwt himself out of trouble- don't think I've ever seen anyone do that before!
Also thought one of the Donegal lads could have seen yellow or red for a tussle with Forker- definitely drove Forkers head into the ground with a forearm while they were on the ground- linesman had a pretty clear view of it.
I was trying to figure out how that bicycle kick wasn't throw ball
Kildare are seemingly missing Ben McCormack, Darragh Kirwan and Kevin Flynn.
Others who we would need to step up are not fully fit and that's on top of the general carnage this year. It could be a very bad trip below...
Fermanagh V Armagh is off today.
Inspection in the morning to see if it can be played tomorrow
Cavan Meath now on iPlayer at 7.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 02, 2024, 12:10:56 PMCavan Meath now on iPlayer at 7.
Which is great, unless you live in Cavan or Meath.
Cavan v Meath going ahead
Bar a deterioration in the weather.
https://twitter.com/CavanCoBoardGaa/status/1763880351615623377?t=B4RSQh9AJXsMbHJmAhaHhA&s=19
Quote from: Itchy on March 02, 2024, 12:52:36 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 02, 2024, 12:12:29 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 02, 2024, 12:10:56 PMCavan Meath now on iPlayer at 7.
Which is great, unless you live in Cavan or Meath.
Crank up the vpn
A VPN that is decent for something else often does not work with the BBC.
as for me, I'll watch Mayo and Roscommon sooner anyway.
Anyone missing the Cavan Meath game is not exactly missing much. Quality is only fair at best so far.
A point apiece after 15 minutes.
Cavan awful poor here. Thought they would have been a bit better based on results.
Dire stuff from us so far. Worst under this management.
Poor call on that black card for me
Good result for Meath
Really? Thought it was a good hard hitting game, lots of turnovers and both teams going for it. Shooting let both teams down a bit but kept it close and exciting. Either team could have won it at the end thought we had it when we hit the post.
Happy enough with a draw and if we can beat Cork next game who knows.
Cavan really should be nowhere near div2 next year if results go their way.
Meath should have been home & hosed with the goal chances.
Quote from: 5times5times on March 02, 2024, 09:45:22 PMCavan really should be nowhere near div2 next year if results go their way.
Meath should have been home & hosed with the goal chances.
They aren't anywhere near Donegal and ourselves imo. Similar to Dubs and Derry last year ourselves and Donegal are too good for division 2 imo.
Is Armagh Fermanagh on BBC iPlayer if gets go ahead?
Match is on
Been moved to 3 p.m.
It's not being broadcast on the iPlayer
Are Meath and Cavan going better than expected? I half-expected for the wheels to come off Meath this year...well I hoped as much but it turns out it's Kildare who are in bits.
That draw should see Armagh and Donegal doing the job now. I don't think any of the others would really survive in the top division at this stage.
Quote from: FermGael on March 03, 2024, 08:42:48 AMMatch is on
Been moved to 3 p.m.
It's not being broadcast on the iPlayer
Is there any radio commentary available on line?
TG4 to the rescue it seems...
I see on X talk of it being on their YouTube channel.
Quote from: thejuice on March 02, 2024, 08:51:19 PMReally? Thought it was a good hard hitting game, lots of turnovers and both teams going for it. Shooting let both teams down a bit but kept it close and exciting. Either team could have won it at the end thought we had it when we hit the post.
Happy enough with a draw and if we can beat Cork next game who knows.
I thought it was a strange atmosphere in comparison to our previous games tbh. Meath should've put them out of sight really. Was disappointed to come away with only a point.
Quote from: meathie on March 03, 2024, 02:06:34 PMQuote from: thejuice on March 02, 2024, 08:51:19 PMReally? Thought it was a good hard hitting game, lots of turnovers and both teams going for it. Shooting let both teams down a bit but kept it close and exciting. Either team could have won it at the end thought we had it when we hit the post.
Happy enough with a draw and if we can beat Cork next game who knows.
I thought it was a strange atmosphere in comparison to our previous games tbh. Meath should've put them out of sight really. Was disappointed to come away with only a point.
Well no one can say we don't have fight in us. Just cutting out the sloppy shooting and handling errors and we might be in with a shout of Division 1.
Armagh 0-8 to 0-6 in front at half time.
Result Donegal 1-17 Louth 0-15
Cork very enjoyable to watch at times today, which is why I don't want them anywhere near the Tailteann Cup.
Kildare very open at the back and naive however.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on March 03, 2024, 11:49:35 AMAre Meath and Cavan going better than expected? I half-expected for the wheels to come off Meath this year...well I hoped as much but it turns out it's Kildare who are in bits.
That draw should see Armagh and Donegal doing the job now. I don't think any of the others would really survive in the top division at this stage.
Does the draw change anything from a Cavan perspective?
If Cavan win all their games they still go up or am I wrong on that?
Armagh four points winners. A tasty one against Cavan next.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 03, 2024, 04:59:29 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on March 03, 2024, 11:49:35 AMAre Meath and Cavan going better than expected? I half-expected for the wheels to come off Meath this year...well I hoped as much but it turns out it's Kildare who are in bits.
That draw should see Armagh and Donegal doing the job now. I don't think any of the others would really survive in the top division at this stage.
Does the draw change anything from a Cavan perspective?
If Cavan win all their games they still go up or am I wrong on that?
Yes the top 3 all have their destiny in their own hands
Armagh + Donegal on 9 pts each
Cavan on 7 pts
Two games left.
We beat Cavan we go up on head to head and can go to Cork with the pressure off. Cavan beat us and win their other game they go up. Next game is huge.
Louth V Fermanagh next.
Would think the loser of that will be relegated
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2024, 05:45:10 PMWe beat Cavan we go up on head to head and can go to Cork with the pressure off. Cavan beat us and win their other game they go up. Next game is huge.
If you beat Cavan, head to head won't come into it. You'll be more than 2 points ahead of your nearest rival with one game left, ie promoted. To be honest I'm hoping Cavan bring a big performance to Armagh but I think it might be too big an ask.
Quote from: Itchy on March 03, 2024, 06:08:50 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2024, 05:45:10 PMWe beat Cavan we go up on head to head and can go to Cork with the pressure off. Cavan beat us and win their other game they go up. Next game is huge.
If you beat Cavan, head to head won't come into it. You'll be more than 2 points ahead of your nearest rival with one game left, ie promoted. To be honest I'm hoping Cavan bring a big performance to Armagh but I think it might be too big an ask.
Apologies yeah you're right. We're probably favourites and I'm glad it's at home because I wouldn't fancy having to go to Cavan needing a result.
Not been a whole pile between the Ulster team games except for Fermanaghs second half collapse against Donegal, only a point between yourselves and Donegal.
Quote from: 5times5times on March 02, 2024, 09:45:22 PMCavan really should be nowhere near div2 next year if results go their way.
Meath should have been home & hosed with the goal chances.
What do you mean here if you mind me asking? I don't know if you mean up or down :D
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1764430049535459454
Was that Donegal goal legit?
Question for Cavan folk.
Has there been a significant improvement since last Summer?
Was really surprised how poor they were in the championship meeting.
Kept saying on the way to Brefni for the championship how you never get anything easy there, and then Cavan were so poor on the day.
I have a feeling it won't be any ways near as handy Sunday week.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on March 04, 2024, 09:56:26 PMI have a feeling it won't be any ways near as handy Sunday week.
Well at least the weather may be better.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on March 04, 2024, 09:56:26 PMQuestion for Cavan folk.
Has there been a significant improvement since last Summer?
Was really surprised how poor they were in the championship meeting.
Kept saying on the way to Brefni for the championship how you never get anything easy there, and then Cavan were so poor on the day.
I have a feeling it won't be any ways near as handy Sunday week.
It's not that there's significant improvement, we just happened to be really really bad in that match. We were missing players too, some half injured but played anyway, and dying fumes of last manager. All that notwithstanding, we were worse than bad, it was a dip from expected level last year. Think we're now above our level of last year, so with that being a dip, I think we'll be far better. But is League football so far, so pinch of salt and all that
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on March 04, 2024, 09:56:26 PMQuestion for Cavan folk.
Has there been a significant improvement since last Summer?
Was really surprised how poor they were in the championship meeting.
Kept saying on the way to Brefni for the championship how you never get anything easy there, and then Cavan were so poor on the day.
I have a feeling it won't be any ways near as handy Sunday week.
Hard to know. We're trying to transition from defence to attack much quicker than last year but it's a bit hit and miss. We've had three games on the trot where we've played poorly in the first half and were down 3 or 4 points only to have a much stronger second half. We were particularly poor the other night. If we repeat that against Armagh you'll be home and hosed at the short whistle. What really disappointed supporters last year against youse was we didn't throw a punch and had no real cut about us. Having said that if Rian hadn't blocked that shot on the line then it would've been a very interesting last 10 minutes with the momentum with Cavan. Ray definitely trying to address that lack of punch this year and the attitude and grit we've shown has been the standout feature of our game. We've fond memories of the Athletic Grounds too! Breffni not a fortress anymore, in fact I'd nearly think the players prefer playing away. Armagh will be big favourites which will suit us and the two week break has come at the right time as I thought we were a bit out on our feet against Meath after two physically tough away games and we might get a few bodies back.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on March 04, 2024, 09:56:26 PMQuestion for Cavan folk.
Has there been a significant improvement since last Summer?
Was really surprised how poor they were in the championship meeting.
Kept saying on the way to Brefni for the championship how you never get anything easy there, and then Cavan were so poor on the day.
I have a feeling it won't be any ways near as handy Sunday week.
Well I think in parts we have been better and at the end of the day we are playing better teams than last year and beating most and only losing by a point to Donegal (and we probably wouldve got a draw if the ref had played the proper amount of time). However I do worry a bit about Armaghs forwards with all the space we will give them on counter attacks as we are really committing men forward when we attack. Last year the consensus was that we felt we were ready for Armagh and well prepared but we were wrong and playing Div4 and Div3 football caught up with us in terms of physical preparation and just the pace and intensity of Ulster championship. We've had some good intense battles in the league so far so hopefully we are getting there. Armagh should probably win but if we get a few of our injured players like McVeety and Conor Brady back on the starting team then who knows. Great to be certain of AI champ football this year with 2 games left and that was the main goal.
Well let's call a spade a spade...Cavan are not and shouldn't have been a division 3 team. They're at their level now which is in or around the top end of division 2. If both Armagh and Cavan play to their strengths then I'd have Armagh the slightest of favourites and I mean a point or two so that's how I rate Cavan. Based on that anything can happen on the day and whoever gets that wee bit of luck, we're at home and that is def worth a couple of pts to Armagh and based on that I'm going for 2-3 point win for Armagh. If this game was in Brefni I'd be worried...
Quote from: illdecide on March 06, 2024, 09:02:39 AMWell let's call a spade a spade...Cavan are not and shouldn't have been a division 3 team. They're at their level now which is in or around the top end of division 2. If both Armagh and Cavan play to their strengths then I'd have Armagh the slightest of favourites and I mean a point or two so that's how I rate Cavan. Based on that anything can happen on the day and whoever gets that wee bit of luck, we're at home and that is def worth a couple of pts to Armagh and based on that I'm going for 2-3 point win for Armagh. If this game was in Brefni I'd be worried...
I dont think Armagh have played the full hand yet in the league. For large parts of games they seem to be going through the motions. The Cavan game would need much more focus considering it's importance at this stage. I'd still be slightly worried that we arent yet where we need to be and Cavan will certainly be very dangerous.
Quote from: lurganblue on March 06, 2024, 11:58:04 AMQuote from: illdecide on March 06, 2024, 09:02:39 AMWell let's call a spade a spade...Cavan are not and shouldn't have been a division 3 team. They're at their level now which is in or around the top end of division 2. If both Armagh and Cavan play to their strengths then I'd have Armagh the slightest of favourites and I mean a point or two so that's how I rate Cavan. Based on that anything can happen on the day and whoever gets that wee bit of luck, we're at home and that is def worth a couple of pts to Armagh and based on that I'm going for 2-3 point win for Armagh. If this game was in Brefni I'd be worried...
I dont think Armagh have played the full hand yet in the league. For large parts of games they seem to be going through the motions. The Cavan game would need much more focus considering it's importance at this stage. I'd still be slightly worried that we arent yet where we need to be and Cavan will certainly be very dangerous.
It looks as though we are just coasting along at the minute, winning fairly comfortably without looking overly impressive. Defensively we are the best team in the country across the Leagues not having conceded a goal yet. So credit to McKeever for that but there are still issues at midfield especially. Oisin O'Neill has got very little game time having impressed during the McKenna Cup and McParland seems to have fallen completely out of favour after having a very promising debut season. Up front we have an abundance of good attacking players but its trying to get a settled cohesive unit that works best come April time since there are going to be some very good players left out of the team.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 06, 2024, 12:16:50 PMQuote from: lurganblue on March 06, 2024, 11:58:04 AMQuote from: illdecide on March 06, 2024, 09:02:39 AMWell let's call a spade a spade...Cavan are not and shouldn't have been a division 3 team. They're at their level now which is in or around the top end of division 2. If both Armagh and Cavan play to their strengths then I'd have Armagh the slightest of favourites and I mean a point or two so that's how I rate Cavan. Based on that anything can happen on the day and whoever gets that wee bit of luck, we're at home and that is def worth a couple of pts to Armagh and based on that I'm going for 2-3 point win for Armagh. If this game was in Brefni I'd be worried...
I dont think Armagh have played the full hand yet in the league. For large parts of games they seem to be going through the motions. The Cavan game would need much more focus considering it's importance at this stage. I'd still be slightly worried that we arent yet where we need to be and Cavan will certainly be very dangerous.
It looks as though we are just coasting along at the minute, winning fairly comfortably without looking overly impressive. Defensively we are the best team in the country across the Leagues not having conceded a goal yet. So credit to McKeever for that but there are still issues at midfield especially. Oisin O'Neill has got very little game time having impressed during the McKenna Cup and McParland seems to have fallen completely out of favour after having a very promising debut season. Up front we have an abundance of good attacking players but its trying to get a settled cohesive unit that works best come April time since there are going to be some very good players left out of the team.
What were you expecting in Division 2 ? The whole point is a very easy workout against teams that can't shoot straight
Armagh are 2/7 and Cavan 7/2 with Boyle sports. The bookies are not thinking its going to be close anyway.
Quote from: seafoid on March 06, 2024, 01:24:44 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 06, 2024, 12:16:50 PMQuote from: lurganblue on March 06, 2024, 11:58:04 AMQuote from: illdecide on March 06, 2024, 09:02:39 AMWell let's call a spade a spade...Cavan are not and shouldn't have been a division 3 team. They're at their level now which is in or around the top end of division 2. If both Armagh and Cavan play to their strengths then I'd have Armagh the slightest of favourites and I mean a point or two so that's how I rate Cavan. Based on that anything can happen on the day and whoever gets that wee bit of luck, we're at home and that is def worth a couple of pts to Armagh and based on that I'm going for 2-3 point win for Armagh. If this game was in Brefni I'd be worried...
I dont think Armagh have played the full hand yet in the league. For large parts of games they seem to be going through the motions. The Cavan game would need much more focus considering it's importance at this stage. I'd still be slightly worried that we arent yet where we need to be and Cavan will certainly be very dangerous.
It looks as though we are just coasting along at the minute, winning fairly comfortably without looking overly impressive. Defensively we are the best team in the country across the Leagues not having conceded a goal yet. So credit to McKeever for that but there are still issues at midfield especially. Oisin O'Neill has got very little game time having impressed during the McKenna Cup and McParland seems to have fallen completely out of favour after having a very promising debut season. Up front we have an abundance of good attacking players but its trying to get a settled cohesive unit that works best come April time since there are going to be some very good players left out of the team.
What were you expecting in Division 2 ? The whole point is a very easy workout against teams that can't shoot straight
I don't think we have learned any more about Armagh then we already knew given the drop off in quality between divisions one and two. We could end up in an Ulster final this year without having had a proper test against top level opposition which could be a concern.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 06, 2024, 02:28:04 PMI don't think we have learned any more about Armagh then we already knew given the drop off in quality between divisions one and two. We could end up in an Ulster final this year without having had a proper test against top level opposition which could be a concern.
It would be a concern, but less of a concern than if they didn't end up in an Ulster final despite not having met any top level opposition!
Quote from: yellowcard on March 06, 2024, 02:28:04 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 06, 2024, 01:24:44 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 06, 2024, 12:16:50 PMQuote from: lurganblue on March 06, 2024, 11:58:04 AMQuote from: illdecide on March 06, 2024, 09:02:39 AMWell let's call a spade a spade...Cavan are not and shouldn't have been a division 3 team. They're at their level now which is in or around the top end of division 2. If both Armagh and Cavan play to their strengths then I'd have Armagh the slightest of favourites and I mean a point or two so that's how I rate Cavan. Based on that anything can happen on the day and whoever gets that wee bit of luck, we're at home and that is def worth a couple of pts to Armagh and based on that I'm going for 2-3 point win for Armagh. If this game was in Brefni I'd be worried...
I dont think Armagh have played the full hand yet in the league. For large parts of games they seem to be going through the motions. The Cavan game would need much more focus considering it's importance at this stage. I'd still be slightly worried that we arent yet where we need to be and Cavan will certainly be very dangerous.
It looks as though we are just coasting along at the minute, winning fairly comfortably without looking overly impressive. Defensively we are the best team in the country across the Leagues not having conceded a goal yet. So credit to McKeever for that but there are still issues at midfield especially. Oisin O'Neill has got very little game time having impressed during the McKenna Cup and McParland seems to have fallen completely out of favour after having a very promising debut season. Up front we have an abundance of good attacking players but its trying to get a settled cohesive unit that works best come April time since there are going to be some very good players left out of the team.
What were you expecting in Division 2 ? The whole point is a very easy workout against teams that can't shoot straight
I don't think we have learned any more about Armagh then we already knew given the drop off in quality between divisions one and two. We could end up in an Ulster final this year without having had a proper test against top level opposition which could be a concern.
In D2 you get a chance to build momentum and try out new players. You get tests against strong opposition in D1.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 06, 2024, 02:28:04 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 06, 2024, 01:24:44 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 06, 2024, 12:16:50 PMQuote from: lurganblue on March 06, 2024, 11:58:04 AMQuote from: illdecide on March 06, 2024, 09:02:39 AMWell let's call a spade a spade...Cavan are not and shouldn't have been a division 3 team. They're at their level now which is in or around the top end of division 2. If both Armagh and Cavan play to their strengths then I'd have Armagh the slightest of favourites and I mean a point or two so that's how I rate Cavan. Based on that anything can happen on the day and whoever gets that wee bit of luck, we're at home and that is def worth a couple of pts to Armagh and based on that I'm going for 2-3 point win for Armagh. If this game was in Brefni I'd be worried...
I dont think Armagh have played the full hand yet in the league. For large parts of games they seem to be going through the motions. The Cavan game would need much more focus considering it's importance at this stage. I'd still be slightly worried that we arent yet where we need to be and Cavan will certainly be very dangerous.
It looks as though we are just coasting along at the minute, winning fairly comfortably without looking overly impressive. Defensively we are the best team in the country across the Leagues not having conceded a goal yet. So credit to McKeever for that but there are still issues at midfield especially. Oisin O'Neill has got very little game time having impressed during the McKenna Cup and McParland seems to have fallen completely out of favour after having a very promising debut season. Up front we have an abundance of good attacking players but its trying to get a settled cohesive unit that works best come April time since there are going to be some very good players left out of the team.
What were you expecting in Division 2 ? The whole point is a very easy workout against teams that can't shoot straight
I don't think we have learned any more about Armagh then we already knew given the drop off in quality between divisions one and two. We could end up in an Ulster final this year without having had a proper test against top level opposition which could be a concern.
True haven't learned anything new. Big drop with intensity levels within matches in Division one and two.
All being well we'll get a proper teat against Donegal in a league final. We need the silverware so I hope we'll be going strong.
Quote from: lurganblue on March 06, 2024, 11:58:04 AMQuote from: illdecide on March 06, 2024, 09:02:39 AMWell let's call a spade a spade...Cavan are not and shouldn't have been a division 3 team. They're at their level now which is in or around the top end of division 2. If both Armagh and Cavan play to their strengths then I'd have Armagh the slightest of favourites and I mean a point or two so that's how I rate Cavan. Based on that anything can happen on the day and whoever gets that wee bit of luck, we're at home and that is def worth a couple of pts to Armagh and based on that I'm going for 2-3 point win for Armagh. If this game was in Brefni I'd be worried...
I dont think Armagh have played the full hand yet in the league. For large parts of games they seem to be going through the motions. The Cavan game would need much more focus considering it's importance at this stage. I'd still be slightly worried that we arent yet where we need to be and Cavan will certainly be very dangerous.
Please explain the "going through the motions bit". How does it manifest on the pitch?
Quote from: Orior on March 06, 2024, 05:41:10 PMQuote from: lurganblue on March 06, 2024, 11:58:04 AMQuote from: illdecide on March 06, 2024, 09:02:39 AMWell let's call a spade a spade...Cavan are not and shouldn't have been a division 3 team. They're at their level now which is in or around the top end of division 2. If both Armagh and Cavan play to their strengths then I'd have Armagh the slightest of favourites and I mean a point or two so that's how I rate Cavan. Based on that anything can happen on the day and whoever gets that wee bit of luck, we're at home and that is def worth a couple of pts to Armagh and based on that I'm going for 2-3 point win for Armagh. If this game was in Brefni I'd be worried...
I dont think Armagh have played the full hand yet in the league. For large parts of games they seem to be going through the motions. The Cavan game would need much more focus considering it's importance at this stage. I'd still be slightly worried that we arent yet where we need to be and Cavan will certainly be very dangerous.
Please explain the "going through the motions bit". How does it manifest on the pitch?
I dont see the same intensity to our tackling and our attacking play. I dont see the same confident, purposeful runs, especially in the attack. Of course not always. There has been glimpses of full throttle but maybe that just hasnt been required yet. I think in some games we have been more wasteful in possession and in taking chances.
Yeah bar the Louth game we've been fairly comfortable against all the weaker teams and that could have been more so if we'd taken our goal chances. Donegal obviously were stronger than the others.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 07, 2024, 12:46:02 PMYeah bar the Louth game we've been fairly comfortable against all the weaker teams and that could have been more so if we'd taken our goal chances. Donegal obviously were stronger than the others.
While you can concern yourself about the ability of Armagh to step up, it is encouraging that they nowadays usually put in a solid performance. The defence is actually disciplined and is the most effective in the league, which is rather a change. So there is every hope that they would stay in touch with Cavan and on balance they should get over the line, perhaps not by a big margin.
Louth have played well but been unlucky with results
Quote from: armaghniac on March 07, 2024, 01:42:00 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 07, 2024, 12:46:02 PMYeah bar the Louth game we've been fairly comfortable against all the weaker teams and that could have been more so if we'd taken our goal chances. Donegal obviously were stronger than the others.
While you can concern yourself about the ability of Armagh to step up, it is encouraging that they nowadays usually put in a solid performance. The defence is actually disciplined and is the most effective in the league, which is rather a change. So there is every hope that they would stay in touch with Cavan and on balance they should get over the line, perhaps not by a big margin.
Yeah in fairness now its very rare the past few years that we are beaten by more than a score, last year it was maybe only Tyrone and before that the last time was Donegal in Ulster in 2022.
Donegal, Armagh are two of five teams with unbeaten record across the four divisions (Down,Westmeath,Laois the others)
Donegal are the 3rd top scoring team in the league 4-78 (90) scored and only Down 10-78 (108) and Dublin with 6-81 (99) have scored more
Armagh with the best defence 0-52 and only team in the league that hasn't conceded a goal yet.
Down and Cavan motoring well this year, 2 teams who were awful against us in. Ulster last year. I'd say Cavan will give us a much tougher test in the league next week and (assuming both win their first game) Down will be a lot tougher opponents this year as well.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 07, 2024, 02:58:38 PMDown and Cavan motoring well this year, 2 teams who were awful against us in. Ulster last year. I'd say Cavan will give us a much tougher test in the league next week and (assuming both win their first game) Down will be a lot tougher opponents this year as well.
Based on their results Down seem to have improved and I expected them to get out of division 3 this year. They are really a divison 2 team and should be able to consolidate there next year. I think they will have been focussed on an Ulster semi final against Armagh from the start of the season so that could be a tricky enough fixture but still should be one that Armagh ought to win.
I felt Cavan might have struggled to stay up in divison 2 at the outset but they have done very well so far under new management. It's not often that a player can move immediately into management having sat in a dressing with those players for years in the way that Galligan has done. He has been without a few stalwarts and the age profile of the side wouldn't appear to be that great either so he has got some very good results despite that.
Cavan 2-13 Armagh 0-16
First part of the double secured
Quote from: Itchy on March 09, 2024, 05:31:36 PMCavan 2-13 Armagh 0-16
First part of the double secured
Class result for the lads, showing the hard work being done. Have gone up a division and not looked out of place at all
A surprise Armagh v Cavan isn't live on BBC this weekend.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 11, 2024, 02:42:40 PMA surprise Armagh v Cavan isn't live on BBC this weekend.
What game do they have on this weekend?
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 11, 2024, 02:42:40 PMA surprise Armagh v Cavan isn't live on BBC this weekend.
Just on iplayer is it?
Maybe they have Tyrone and Monaghan, its a huge game as well.
It's not on iplayer. I think they picked the big ones up front and probably wouldn't have predicted this would be as important as it is.
Antrim - Tipperary hurling is on saturday which tbh isn't going to be pretty going by current form :o
Quote from: statto on March 11, 2024, 03:43:12 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 11, 2024, 02:42:40 PMA surprise Armagh v Cavan isn't live on BBC this weekend.
What game do they have on this weekend?
Antrim v Tipperary in Hurling.
Saturday Galway v Dublin is on RTE. Tyrone v Monaghan on TG4
Sunday Roscommon v Kerry and Mayo v Derry live on TG4. They also have Westmeath v Down on the TG4 app.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 11, 2024, 04:06:57 PMIt's not on iplayer. I think they picked the big ones up front and probably wouldn't have predicted this would be as important as it is.
Antrim - Tipperary hurling is on saturday which tbh isn't going to be pretty going by current form :o
Good to see Antrim hurling getting shown but on what planet was that ever going to be a meaningful game?
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 11, 2024, 07:27:15 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 11, 2024, 04:06:57 PMIt's not on iplayer. I think they picked the big ones up front and probably wouldn't have predicted this would be as important as it is.
Antrim - Tipperary hurling is on saturday which tbh isn't going to be pretty going by current form :o
Good to see Antrim hurling getting shown but on what planet was that ever going to be a meaningful game?
They were scheduled to show Fermanagh v Armagh last week but when this was postponed they were quickly able to reschedule at short notice to show Cavan v Meath instead. So I'm sure if the will was there, they could easily show Armagh v Cavan which would generate much more interest.
But I don't expect it to happen as they will have to fill their quota of hurling fixtures.
With Armagh Cavan not being televised is there likely to be a radio commentary available anywhere?
Quote from: dec on March 14, 2024, 04:32:15 PMWith Armagh Cavan not being televised is there likely to be a radio commentary available anywhere?
Northern Sound will have it anyway
Will Armagh expect their biggest crowd for this years league for tomorrow's evenings game?. Maybe Sat @5 will not suit a lot of people...not sure, it also gives a wet day too so hard to know but i'd imagine there'll be at least 10k there.
My biggest concern about the game is the wet slippery pitch and this could well play into Cavan's hands who look to be the bigger more physical team. It will be more slippery than heavy as the AG pitch is usually in good condition and plays quite hard rather than on the soft side which is good.
Prediction time...
Meath v Cork (Meath by 3pts)
Louth v Fermanagh (Draw)
Armagh v Cavan (Armagh by 2pts)
Kildare v Donegal (Donegal by 5pts)
Quote from: illdecide on March 15, 2024, 08:53:22 AMWill Armagh expect their biggest crowd for this years league for tomorrow's evenings game?. Maybe Sat @5 will not suit a lot of people...not sure, it also gives a wet day too so hard to know but i'd imagine there'll be at least 10k there.
My biggest concern about the game is the wet slippery pitch and this could well play into Cavan's hands who look to be the bigger more physical team. It will be more slippery than heavy as the AG pitch is usually in good condition and plays quite hard rather than on the soft side which is good.
Prediction time...
Meath v Cork (Meath by 3pts)
Louth v Fermanagh (Draw)
Armagh v Cavan (Armagh by 2pts)
Kildare v Donegal (Donegal by 5pts)
I wouldnt consider Cavan to be a bigger team than Armagh anymore, there wouldnt be a lot in it that way. The bottom line is that I think both teams would match up fairly well in backs and midfield but you would have to say Armagh should have a significant advantage in the forward section with a number of lads that can score. Cavan have not so far really shown that we have a potent attack bar Paddy Lynch. We have 3/4 other inside forwards which we have been rotating through and none of them have done enough to be considered nailed on starters. Darragh McVetty is the other lad we could play in there but disappointingly he is not named in the squad so must not be over his injury. I think Armagh have to be strong favourites for this game.
The reporting after our game with Cavan was that Donegal struggled with Cavan's physicality. Which overall was good from our point of view - we've wilted many times over the years in a physical battle.
Quote from: J70 on March 15, 2024, 01:48:31 PMThe reporting after our game with Cavan was that Donegal struggled with Cavan's physicality. Which overall was good from our point of view - we've wilted many times over the years in a physical battle.
As someone who was at the game I would say you struggled trying to be cute hoors lying on the ground feigning injury for the last 10 minutes. It worked too as the ref that day called for I think it was 5 minutes of injury time and despite the ball being in play less than half of that time, he blew it up on the button.
And the irony of McGuinness crying about cynical fouling. W****r
Anyone planning to loiter in Armagh after the game tomorrow might read this
https://www.paradescommission.org/viewparade.aspx?id=85642
Watch where you're parking tomorrow Cavan men. Those Orange men are of the less friendly variety and if they see southern reg yokes mightn't be too happy.
Some amount of flutes
Quote from: Itchy on March 15, 2024, 09:56:00 PMSome amount of flutes
Seriously though look after yourselves this evening lads hope everyone gets there and home safe and sound.
Looking like a day for the high stool, unfortunately its not on tv so we may dig out the rain jackets!
Wonder if any of the southern west brits can explain why a flute band from north of Ballymena needs to go to Armagh to trail their coat.
"West Brits" in Munster probably never heard of Ballyfknmena.
Quote from: Orior on March 16, 2024, 11:18:08 AMWonder if any of the southern west brits can explain why a flute band from north of Ballymena needs to go to Armagh to trail their coat.
And to whom are you addressing this question?
Half time Cork 1-4 Meath 0-7. and Louth 4-6 Fermanagh 0-6
Quote from: Itchy on March 16, 2024, 02:34:38 PMQuote from: Orior on March 16, 2024, 11:18:08 AMWonder if any of the southern west brits can explain why a flute band from north of Ballymena needs to go to Armagh to trail their coat.
And to whom are you addressing this question?
To those that think northern nationalists should shut up and enjoy partition.
Fermanagh getting some tanking off Louth, had to check it wasn't a hurling scoreline. Looks ominous for them now given that Louth have Kildare in their last match.
Any Fermanagh poster in attendance to explain how it went so wrong for them today? Result Louth 6-17 Fermanagh 0-11.
Also FT Meath 1-11 Cork 1-15
Great win for Cork up in Navan.
They very easily could have been promoted only for their slow start. Bound to be frustrating for the Cork football fans
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 16, 2024, 03:46:43 PMGreat win for Cork up in Navan.
They very easily could have been promoted only for their slow start. Bound to be frustrating for the Cork football fans
Donegal, Cavan and ourselves would have something to say about that.
Meath are awful from what I've seen of them. Having said that I'm hoping all goes to plan today because I don't want to be going to Cork needing points next week. All being well we can rest our big men and send the squad players down the road.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 16, 2024, 03:53:30 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 16, 2024, 03:46:43 PMGreat win for Cork up in Navan.
They very easily could have been promoted only for their slow start. Bound to be frustrating for the Cork football fans
Donegal, Cavan and ourselves would have something to say about that.
Meath are awful from what I've seen of them. Having said that I'm hoping all goes to plan today because I don't want to be going to Cork needing points next week. All being well we can rest our big men and send the squad players down the road.
Can't see you losing today; but you never know.
Cork Armagh be a cracker down in the park;
Meath are one of those teams that you don't know what you're going to get from one game to the next. Cork after a very poor start have now won their last 3 matches and have turned it around at the right time. Is that them guaranteed to be in the Sam Maguire cup now?
Padraig Faulkner not warming up for Cavan which tips the tie even more in Armaghs favour
Quote from: Itchy on March 16, 2024, 04:33:39 PMPadraig Faulkner not warming up for Cavan which tips the tie even more in Armaghs favour
McVeety replaces him. Kiernan in for McLoughlin, Ryan Donohoe for Gerry Smith too. Cormac O'Reilly takes the 12 jersey
Quote from: yellowcard on March 16, 2024, 04:20:04 PMMeath are one of those teams that you don't know what you're going to get from one game to the next. Cork after a very poor start have now won their last 3 matches and have turned it around at the right time. Is that them guaranteed to be in the Sam Maguire cup now?
Can't ever be guaranteed to be in Sam whilst your in Division 2 as there's so many variables with the provincials.
But I reckon to be 90% sure you'll need to top 4 in Division 2.
Top 5 once Meath finish above you as they are guaranteed Sam Maguire Football regardless of their league position.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 16, 2024, 03:34:31 PMAny Fermanagh poster in attendance to explain how it went so wrong for them today? Result Louth 6-17 Fermanagh 0-11.
I wonder will Fermanagh get the same abuse as Antrim U20s did for a similar scoreline.
35-11, G some scoreline.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 16, 2024, 03:34:31 PMAny Fermanagh poster in attendance to explain how it went so wrong for them today? Result Louth 6-17 Fermanagh 0-11.
Also FT Meath 1-11 Cork 1-15
The worst Fermanagh display I have ever witnessed.
Have no idea what to say.
All Louth had to do was wait for Fermanagh to cough the ball up when we were attacking and then they just cut through us.
We had no defensive set up at all.
Niave isn't the word
Half time all too easy for Armagh and 2-12 to 0-4 in front. Cavan can't be as bad in the 2nd half?
Cavan getting a bit of a humbling in Armagh.
Will need to step it up second half or this will fairly dent their confidence for year ahead
Joke shop stuff from Cavan. These terrible 1st halves are a pattern at this stage but now when they face a decent team they get a thrashing.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 16, 2024, 05:22:50 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 16, 2024, 03:34:31 PMAny Fermanagh poster in attendance to explain how it went so wrong for them today? Result Louth 6-17 Fermanagh 0-11.
I wonder will Fermanagh get the same abuse as Antrim U20s did for a similar scoreline.
Or Cavan
Quote from: Itchy on March 16, 2024, 05:42:33 PMJoke shop stuff from Cavan. These terrible 1st halves are a pattern at this stage but now when they face a decent team they get a thrashing.
Armagh with a lot of big names on the bench too so things could get worse. Hopefully not.
They seem to be building depth in their panel.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 16, 2024, 05:22:50 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 16, 2024, 03:34:31 PMAny Fermanagh poster in attendance to explain how it went so wrong for them today? Result Louth 6-17 Fermanagh 0-11.
I wonder will Fermanagh get the same abuse as Antrim U20s did for a similar scoreline.
Fermanagh has a much smaller population.
Thanks for the context. Here's some more - Antrim were playing the favourites for the All Ireland. Fermanagh were playing Louth.
Quote from: FermGael on March 16, 2024, 05:30:51 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 16, 2024, 03:34:31 PMAny Fermanagh poster in attendance to explain how it went so wrong for them today? Result Louth 6-17 Fermanagh 0-11.
Also FT Meath 1-11 Cork 1-15
The worst Fermanagh display I have ever witnessed.
Have no idea what to say.
All Louth had to do was wait for Fermanagh to cough the ball up when we were attacking and then they just cut through us.
We had no defensive set up at all.
Niave isn't the word
Bad day. only lost by one point to Cork and conceded 0-12 to Meath and Kildare.
Listened to Northern sound radio for the Cavan v Armagh game. The two Cavan fellas on the mic as expected sounded fairly depressed with what they seen with Cavan but have made a good point that Kieran McGeeney is getting the very best out of Armagh when you consider they haven't got much underage success in recent years and club football especially Crossmaglen not as strong as they use to be.
Armagh and Donegal promoted with a game to spare and Kildare relegated.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 16, 2024, 04:58:16 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 16, 2024, 04:20:04 PMMeath are one of those teams that you don't know what you're going to get from one game to the next. Cork after a very poor start have now won their last 3 matches and have turned it around at the right time. Is that them guaranteed to be in the Sam Maguire cup now?
Can't ever be guaranteed to be in Sam whilst your in Division 2 as there's so many variables with the provincials.
But I reckon to be 90% sure you'll need to top 4 in Division 2.
Top 5 once Meath finish above you as they are guaranteed Sam Maguire Football regardless of their league position.
It really is a mine field. For example I really think Down would like Fermanagh relegated and Louth to stay up because of the Leinster draw.
Looking at you probably have to think it's going to be one Munster finalist from outside the top 16 in the league 0 in Connacht or Ulster and then potentially 1 or 0 in Leinster. So if it's that then staying in Div 2 will probably be good enough and who ever tops Div 3 or wins Div 3 final (not sure which is seeded higher) probably gets the last spot.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 16, 2024, 07:22:48 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 16, 2024, 04:58:16 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 16, 2024, 04:20:04 PMMeath are one of those teams that you don't know what you're going to get from one game to the next. Cork after a very poor start have now won their last 3 matches and have turned it around at the right time. Is that them guaranteed to be in the Sam Maguire cup now?
Can't ever be guaranteed to be in Sam whilst your in Division 2 as there's so many variables with the provincials.
But I reckon to be 90% sure you'll need to top 4 in Division 2.
Top 5 once Meath finish above you as they are guaranteed Sam Maguire Football regardless of their league position.
It really is a mine field. For example I really think Down would like Fermanagh relegated and Louth to stay up because of the Leinster draw.
Looking at you probably have to think it's going to be one Munster finalist from outside the top 16 in the league 0 in Connacht or Ulster and then potentially 1 or 0 in Leinster. So if it's that then staying in Div 2 will probably be good enough and who ever tops Div 3 or wins Div 3 final (not sure which is seeded higher) probably gets the last spot.
Not sure about that I worked it out a few weeks ago I think you need to be at least 5th in Division 2 to be sure.
Quote from: Cavan19 on March 16, 2024, 07:32:10 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 16, 2024, 07:22:48 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 16, 2024, 04:58:16 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 16, 2024, 04:20:04 PMMeath are one of those teams that you don't know what you're going to get from one game to the next. Cork after a very poor start have now won their last 3 matches and have turned it around at the right time. Is that them guaranteed to be in the Sam Maguire cup now?
Can't ever be guaranteed to be in Sam whilst your in Division 2 as there's so many variables with the provincials.
But I reckon to be 90% sure you'll need to top 4 in Division 2.
Top 5 once Meath finish above you as they are guaranteed Sam Maguire Football regardless of their league position.
It really is a mine field. For example I really think Down would like Fermanagh relegated and Louth to stay up because of the Leinster draw.
Looking at you probably have to think it's going to be one Munster finalist from outside the top 16 in the league 0 in Connacht or Ulster and then potentially 1 or 0 in Leinster. So if it's that then staying in Div 2 will probably be good enough and who ever tops Div 3 or wins Div 3 final (not sure which is seeded higher) probably gets the last spot.
Not sure about that I worked it out a few weeks ago I think you need to be at least 5th in Division 2 to be sure.
Well Munster is going to be Kerry/Cork/Limerick v Clare/Tipp/Waterford so that's likely to produce a top 16 team v a team that's at highest 15th
Connacht is Mayo/New York/Roscommon v Galway/Leitrim/Sligo/London. For me that's going to be two top 16's teams.
Ulster is guaranteed 1 team in the final from the top 16 and with a possibility of either Down or Armagh coming through the other side.
Leinster you imagine will have Dublin in the final. So the question is who comes through the other side.
If it's Louth (and they survive) or Westmeath (and they get promoted) then they will both be top 16 teams.
So realistically it's probably between 0 and 3 teams from outside the top 16 that will make provincial finals and at that id be surprised at more than 2.
So I think stay in Division 2 is probably good enough.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 16, 2024, 08:16:24 PMSo I think stay in Division 2 is probably good enough.
Armagh and Donegal are safe for the next 2 years. Clearly a bit ahead of the other Div 2 teams.
In my opinion there is two realistic scenarios.
Worst Case Scenario is below
Provincial Finalists & Tailteann Cup winners as follows
1. Derry
2. Down
3. Kerry
4. Tipperary
5. Dublin
6. Kildare (or a lower placed leinster side)
7. Galway
8. Mayo
9. Meath
Remaining 7 Sides
10. Tyrone
11. Donegal
12. Armagh
13. Roscommon
14. Monaghon
15. 3rd in Division 2 - Likely Cavan
16. 4th in Division 2 (or 5th if Meath Finish top 4) - Likely Cork
Best Case Scenario is Below
Provincial Finalists & Tailteann Cup winners as follows
1. Derry
2. Armagh
3. Kerry
4. Clare
5. Dublin
6. Louth
7. Galway
8. Mayo
9. Meath
Remaining 7 Sides
10. Tyrone
11. Donegal
12. Roscommon
13. Monaghan
14. 3rd in Division 2 - Likely Cavan
15. 4th in Division 2 - Likely Cork
16. 5th in Division 2 (or 6th if Meath Finish top 5) - or Division three winner if Louth make provincial Final - Likely Down
**Winning Division three will actually be enough in this scenario if Louth stay up in division two and get into a provincial final**
Jaysus Cavan men; was expecting a lot more from yous today. Bar a few times in the second half when we struggled with our kickouts although the game was long over we never had any issues at all.
Some credit has to go to geezer as we have breezed through division 2 without looking troubled apart from the opening day fixture against Louth. We have the best defensive record in the country whilst also racking up decent scores in most games. So all in all a very positive League campaign and we've also produced a few new players to make competition for places very competitive. McGrane has been very good in defence whilst Conaty has done well in attack, two good players for the future. While at the other end of the age spectrum McElroy has had a very good League campaign when most people might have written him off.
Outside of Dublin and Kerry I think we are as good as any other side in the country but we still need to go and prove it. Not bothered now about the remaining League fixtures but we need to target the Ulster championship now.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 16, 2024, 09:53:03 PMJaysus Cavan men; was expecting a lot more from yous today. Bar a few times in the second half when we struggled with our kickouts although the game was long over we never had any issues at all.
Can't know what happened. We lost a few men before throw in, and some lads with no games since Round 2 came in, but jeez we were still so bad and open.
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 17, 2024, 12:22:55 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 16, 2024, 09:53:03 PMJaysus Cavan men; was expecting a lot more from yous today. Bar a few times in the second half when we struggled with our kickouts although the game was long over we never had any issues at all.
Can't know what happened. We lost a few men before throw in, and some lads with no games since Round 2 came in, but jeez we were still so bad and open.
There was 2 in particular i can remember- Greg McCabe in the first half (no 5 who I thought was excellent) and McQuillan in the second, both seemed to stroll through unchallenged and kick a point.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 16, 2024, 09:42:34 PMBest Case Scenario is Below
Provincial Finalists & Tailteann Cup winners as follows
1. Derry
2. Armagh
3. Kerry
4. Clare
5. Dublin
6. Louth
7. Galway
8. Mayo
9. Meath
Remaining 7 Sides
10. Tyrone
11. Donegal
12. Roscommon
13. Monaghan
14. 3rd in Division 2 - Likely Cavan
15. 4th in Division 2 - Likely Cork
16. 5th in Division 2 (or 6th if Meath Finish top 5) - or Division three winner if Louth make provincial Final - Likely Down
**Winning Division three will actually be enough in this scenario if Louth stay up in division two and get into a provincial final**
Has entry criteria changed because I don't think winning Division 3 got you in previously?
Quote from: tintin25 on March 17, 2024, 07:43:47 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 16, 2024, 09:42:34 PMBest Case Scenario is Below
Provincial Finalists & Tailteann Cup winners as follows
1. Derry
2. Armagh
3. Kerry
4. Clare
5. Dublin
6. Louth
7. Galway
8. Mayo
9. Meath
Remaining 7 Sides
10. Tyrone
11. Donegal
12. Roscommon
13. Monaghan
14. 3rd in Division 2 - Likely Cavan
15. 4th in Division 2 - Likely Cork
16. 5th in Division 2 (or 6th if Meath Finish top 5) - or Division three winner if Louth make provincial Final - Likely Down
**Winning Division three will actually be enough in this scenario if Louth stay up in division two and get into a provincial final**
Has entry criteria changed because I don't think winning Division 3 got you in previously?
It doesn't get you in automatically but it leaves you as either the 15th or 16th ranked team depending on where the Tailtean cup winners end up. That might be good enough this year given the provincial draws.
Ive lost a lot of faith & interest in Armagh this year. Near half way through D1 last season I remember discussing how we should push on and try and win the league. We ended up relegated and then doubled down on the disappointment in the USFC & AI series. This year's league cakewalk just reinforces what a waste its been. Who can tell if any lessons have been learned?
Colm just isn't working out for Meath. Looking at results we have beat a Kildare team in disarray, a louth team who should have beat us, drew with a poor enough cavan team and same with Fermanagh. We just haven't improved since he came in. We lucky this years div 2 weakest in a long time. We gonna get some shock in all ire games.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 17, 2024, 08:08:46 AMIve lost a lot of faith & interest in Armagh this year. Near half way through D1 last season I remember discussing how we should push on and try and win the league. We ended up relegated and then doubled down on the disappointment in the USFC & AI series. This year's league cakewalk just reinforces what a waste its been. Who can tell if any lessons have been learned?
I'm actually quite the opposite, the year in Division 2 has to me at least allowed Armagh to develop and hone a new game plan as well as unearth/develop a few new players. I'm not sure that would have been possible in Division 1. The proof of the pudding Will obviously be in the eating but I'm more satisfied with a league campaign than I have been in nearly 20 years.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2024, 09:34:21 AMQuote from: bennydorano on March 17, 2024, 08:08:46 AMIve lost a lot of faith & interest in Armagh this year. Near half way through D1 last season I remember discussing how we should push on and try and win the league. We ended up relegated and then doubled down on the disappointment in the USFC & AI series. This year's league cakewalk just reinforces what a waste its been. Who can tell if any lessons have been learned?
I'm actually quite the opposite, the year in Division 2 has to me at least allowed Armagh to develop and hone a new game plan as well as unearth/develop a few new players. I'm not sure that would have been possible in Division 1. The proof of the pudding Will obviously be in the eating but I'm more satisfied with a league campaign than I have been in nearly 20 years.
I'd be the same. Less hype and media scrutiny playing in division 2 and we have produced a few new players that might not have been possible playing division 1 football. It didn't do Derry or Dublin any harm last year anyway. The League won't define our season but for the longer term good of Armagh football it's much better to be back up in the top division again.
We have the best defensive record in the country whilst not compromising our attacking threat so from that point of view I don't think we could asked for much more from this League campaign.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 17, 2024, 10:15:02 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2024, 09:34:21 AMQuote from: bennydorano on March 17, 2024, 08:08:46 AMIve lost a lot of faith & interest in Armagh this year. Near half way through D1 last season I remember discussing how we should push on and try and win the league. We ended up relegated and then doubled down on the disappointment in the USFC & AI series. This year's league cakewalk just reinforces what a waste its been. Who can tell if any lessons have been learned?
I'm actually quite the opposite, the year in Division 2 has to me at least allowed Armagh to develop and hone a new game plan as well as unearth/develop a few new players. I'm not sure that would have been possible in Division 1. The proof of the pudding Will obviously be in the eating but I'm more satisfied with a league campaign than I have been in nearly 20 years.
I'd be the same. Less hype and media scrutiny playing in division 2 and we have produced a few new players that might not have been possible playing division 1 football. It didn't do Derry or Dublin any harm last year anyway. The League won't define our season but for the longer term good of Armagh football it's much better to be back up in the top division again.
We have the best defensive record in the country whilst not compromising our attacking threat so from that point of view I don't think we could asked for much more from this League campaign.
Up against very very little bar the Donegal game so hopefully we get a good competitive game in Croker to set us up well for Ulster. Only slight worry for me is the fitness of the 2 O'Neills. Won't beat a big team without them imo but if we'd them both in top form it would take a very very good team to stop us.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2024, 07:51:41 AMQuote from: tintin25 on March 17, 2024, 07:43:47 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 16, 2024, 09:42:34 PMBest Case Scenario is Below
Provincial Finalists & Tailteann Cup winners as follows
1. Derry
2. Armagh
3. Kerry
4. Clare
5. Dublin
6. Louth
7. Galway
8. Mayo
9. Meath
Remaining 7 Sides
10. Tyrone
11. Donegal
12. Roscommon
13. Monaghan
14. 3rd in Division 2 - Likely Cavan
15. 4th in Division 2 - Likely Cork
16. 5th in Division 2 (or 6th if Meath Finish top 5) - or Division three winner if Louth make provincial Final - Likely Down
**Winning Division three will actually be enough in this scenario if Louth stay up in division two and get into a provincial final**
Has entry criteria changed because I don't think winning Division 3 got you in previously?
It doesn't get you in automatically but it leaves you as either the 15th or 16th ranked team depending on where the Tailtean cup winners end up. That might be good enough this year given the provincial draws.
If you're sitting around 15th / 16th in a given year and hoping to scrap into the Sam Maguire Cup, would you not be better just missing out and being one of the favourites for the Tailtean?
Quote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2024, 11:25:07 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2024, 07:51:41 AMQuote from: tintin25 on March 17, 2024, 07:43:47 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 16, 2024, 09:42:34 PMBest Case Scenario is Below
Provincial Finalists & Tailteann Cup winners as follows
1. Derry
2. Armagh
3. Kerry
4. Clare
5. Dublin
6. Louth
7. Galway
8. Mayo
9. Meath
Remaining 7 Sides
10. Tyrone
11. Donegal
12. Roscommon
13. Monaghan
14. 3rd in Division 2 - Likely Cavan
15. 4th in Division 2 - Likely Cork
16. 5th in Division 2 (or 6th if Meath Finish top 5) - or Division three winner if Louth make provincial Final - Likely Down
**Winning Division three will actually be enough in this scenario if Louth stay up in division two and get into a provincial final**
Has entry criteria changed because I don't think winning Division 3 got you in previously?
It doesn't get you in automatically but it leaves you as either the 15th or 16th ranked team depending on where the Tailtean cup winners end up. That might be good enough this year given the provincial draws.
If you're sitting around 15th / 16th in a given year and hoping to scrap into the Sam Maguire Cup, would you not be better just missing out and being one of the favourites for the Tailtean?
based on what I've seen in the league, outside of ourselves, Donegal and maybe Cork the rest of division 2 and below would get tanked in the Sam Maguire.
Having said that Westmeath gave us and Tyrone our fill of it last year.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 17, 2024, 10:40:20 AMQuote from: yellowcard on March 17, 2024, 10:15:02 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2024, 09:34:21 AMQuote from: bennydorano on March 17, 2024, 08:08:46 AMIve lost a lot of faith & interest in Armagh this year. Near half way through D1 last season I remember discussing how we should push on and try and win the league. We ended up relegated and then doubled down on the disappointment in the USFC & AI series. This year's league cakewalk just reinforces what a waste its been. Who can tell if any lessons have been learned?
I'm actually quite the opposite, the year in Division 2 has to me at least allowed Armagh to develop and hone a new game plan as well as unearth/develop a few new players. I'm not sure that would have been possible in Division 1. The proof of the pudding Will obviously be in the eating but I'm more satisfied with a league campaign than I have been in nearly 20 years.
I'd be the same. Less hype and media scrutiny playing in division 2 and we have produced a few new players that might not have been possible playing division 1 football. It didn't do Derry or Dublin any harm last year anyway. The League won't define our season but for the longer term good of Armagh football it's much better to be back up in the top division again.
We have the best defensive record in the country whilst not compromising our attacking threat so from that point of view I don't think we could asked for much more from this League campaign.
Up against very very little bar the Donegal game so hopefully we get a good competitive game in Croker to set us up well for Ulster. Only slight worry for me is the fitness of the 2 O'Neills. Won't beat a big team without them imo but if we'd them both in top form it would take a very very good team to stop us.
Rian will come back in for the serious stuff, but I don't get the feeling Oisin will play much this year. Maybe bits and pieces off the bench. Seem to be very cautious with his workload, which is sensible enough considering his injury history. Stamina probably needs building back too given how long he has been away.
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on March 17, 2024, 12:11:04 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 17, 2024, 10:40:20 AMQuote from: yellowcard on March 17, 2024, 10:15:02 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2024, 09:34:21 AMQuote from: bennydorano on March 17, 2024, 08:08:46 AMIve lost a lot of faith & interest in Armagh this year. Near half way through D1 last season I remember discussing how we should push on and try and win the league. We ended up relegated and then doubled down on the disappointment in the USFC & AI series. This year's league cakewalk just reinforces what a waste its been. Who can tell if any lessons have been learned?
I'm actually quite the opposite, the year in Division 2 has to me at least allowed Armagh to develop and hone a new game plan as well as unearth/develop a few new players. I'm not sure that would have been possible in Division 1. The proof of the pudding Will obviously be in the eating but I'm more satisfied with a league campaign than I have been in nearly 20 years.
I'd be the same. Less hype and media scrutiny playing in division 2 and we have produced a few new players that might not have been possible playing division 1 football. It didn't do Derry or Dublin any harm last year anyway. The League won't define our season but for the longer term good of Armagh football it's much better to be back up in the top division again.
We have the best defensive record in the country whilst not compromising our attacking threat so from that point of view I don't think we could asked for much more from this League campaign.
Up against very very little bar the Donegal game so hopefully we get a good competitive game in Croker to set us up well for Ulster. Only slight worry for me is the fitness of the 2 O'Neills. Won't beat a big team without them imo but if we'd them both in top form it would take a very very good team to stop us.
Rian will come back in for the serious stuff, but I don't get the feeling Oisin will play much this year. Maybe bits and pieces off the bench. Seem to be very cautious with his workload, which is sensible enough considering his injury history. Stamina probably needs building back too given how long he has been away.
Rian looks nowhere near fit which would be my worry although plenty of time to get there. Hopefully both get a full game in Cork to get abit more into the legs.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on March 17, 2024, 08:40:45 AMColm just isn't working out for Meath. Looking at results we have beat a Kildare team in disarray, a louth team who should have beat us, drew with a poor enough cavan team and same with Fermanagh. We just haven't improved since he came in. We lucky this years div 2 weakest in a long time. We gonna get some shock in all ire games.
The league this year is weird. I wouldn't read too much into Meath beyond securing d2 status. O'Rourke doesn't have the panel strength to shoot the lights out in March. But that isn't important anyway.
Will final be on Sat or Sun?
You potentially could have 4 ulster teams across div1-3 finals, and 3 alone if div 1&2 on Sunday?
Quote from: 5times5times on March 17, 2024, 01:22:33 PMWill final be on Sat or Sun?
You potentially could have 4 ulster teams across div1-3 finals, and 3 alone if div 1&2 on Sunday?
Usually 3&4 Saturday and 1&2 Sunday is it?
Ulster football is in a good place at the minute, just a question of if any team can make the step up and beat one of the big boys.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2024, 11:25:07 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2024, 07:51:41 AMQuote from: tintin25 on March 17, 2024, 07:43:47 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 16, 2024, 09:42:34 PMBest Case Scenario is Below
Provincial Finalists & Tailteann Cup winners as follows
1. Derry
2. Armagh
3. Kerry
4. Clare
5. Dublin
6. Louth
7. Galway
8. Mayo
9. Meath
Remaining 7 Sides
10. Tyrone
11. Donegal
12. Roscommon
13. Monaghan
14. 3rd in Division 2 - Likely Cavan
15. 4th in Division 2 - Likely Cork
16. 5th in Division 2 (or 6th if Meath Finish top 5) - or Division three winner if Louth make provincial Final - Likely Down
**Winning Division three will actually be enough in this scenario if Louth stay up in division two and get into a provincial final**
Has entry criteria changed because I don't think winning Division 3 got you in previously?
It doesn't get you in automatically but it leaves you as either the 15th or 16th ranked team depending on where the Tailtean cup winners end up. That might be good enough this year given the provincial draws.
If you're sitting around 15th / 16th in a given year and hoping to scrap into the Sam Maguire Cup, would you not be better just missing out and being one of the favourites for the Tailtean?
I suppose that varies county to county and where you are in your developmental cycle. Do you get buy in from players and supporters for the Tailtean etc
Quote from: seafoid on March 17, 2024, 01:00:23 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on March 17, 2024, 08:40:45 AMColm just isn't working out for Meath. Looking at results we have beat a Kildare team in disarray, a louth team who should have beat us, drew with a poor enough cavan team and same with Fermanagh. We just haven't improved since he came in. We lucky this years div 2 weakest in a long time. We gonna get some shock in all ire games.
The league this year is weird. I wouldn't read too much into Meath beyond securing d2 status. O'Rourke doesn't have the panel strength to shoot the lights out in March. But that isn't important anyway.
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While I agree it's a weird league. I'm getting so tired of the stupid excuses from Colm. He's embarrassing himself and the county. Lot to be said for taking it on the chin saying I messed up. And we learn and move on
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 17, 2024, 12:37:38 PMQuote from: Ed Ricketts on March 17, 2024, 12:11:04 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 17, 2024, 10:40:20 AMQuote from: yellowcard on March 17, 2024, 10:15:02 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2024, 09:34:21 AMQuote from: bennydorano on March 17, 2024, 08:08:46 AMIve lost a lot of faith & interest in Armagh this year. Near half way through D1 last season I remember discussing how we should push on and try and win the league. We ended up relegated and then doubled down on the disappointment in the USFC & AI series. This year's league cakewalk just reinforces what a waste its been. Who can tell if any lessons have been learned?
I'm actually quite the opposite, the year in Division 2 has to me at least allowed Armagh to develop and hone a new game plan as well as unearth/develop a few new players. I'm not sure that would have been possible in Division 1. The proof of the pudding Will obviously be in the eating but I'm more satisfied with a league campaign than I have been in nearly 20 years.
I'd be the same. Less hype and media scrutiny playing in division 2 and we have produced a few new players that might not have been possible playing division 1 football. It didn't do Derry or Dublin any harm last year anyway. The League won't define our season but for the longer term good of Armagh football it's much better to be back up in the top division again.
We have the best defensive record in the country whilst not compromising our attacking threat so from that point of view I don't think we could asked for much more from this League campaign.
Up against very very little bar the Donegal game so hopefully we get a good competitive game in Croker to set us up well for Ulster. Only slight worry for me is the fitness of the 2 O'Neills. Won't beat a big team without them imo but if we'd them both in top form it would take a very very good team to stop us.
Rian will come back in for the serious stuff, but I don't get the feeling Oisin will play much this year. Maybe bits and pieces off the bench. Seem to be very cautious with his workload, which is sensible enough considering his injury history. Stamina probably needs building back too given how long he has been away.
Rian looks nowhere near fit which would be my worry although plenty of time to get there. Hopefully both get a full game in Cork to get abit more into the legs.
He might be the most talented player but the Armagh forward line seem to function better as a unit when Rian isn't playing. I'm not sure Turbitt and Rian play well together for whatever reason.
It's a nice headache to have anyway.
Could do worse than let Rian have a run as a proper midfielder, doesn't look fit enough atm tho. I don't think Oisin is in the conversation to start. The likes of McGrane & Conaty got a good blooding in D2 but it only starts to get serious now.
Yeah there's def a big step up from Div 1 and Div 2, Armagh and Donegal strolled thru the Division this year so it's difficult to know where we're at until we play a good Div 1 Team but all you can do is beat the teams in front of you and we've done that well. As you all have stated it's good to get some young blood into the team and competition for places, I actually agree with the RON scenario...I think we play better without him but he's such a talent that how can you leave him out when he's fit, he looks like he's still some timber to shift and another 4 weeks hard training to get into the legs but for the first time in a long time we have serious options on the bench that can change the game for us.
Armagh still have Cumisky, Morgan and Rafferty to come back too which just adds to the talent
Quote from: illdecide on March 18, 2024, 09:38:43 AMYeah there's def a big step up from Div 1 and Div 2, Armagh and Donegal strolled thru the Division this year so it's difficult to know where we're at until we play a good Div 1 Team but all you can do is beat the teams in front of you and we've done that well. As you all have stated it's good to get some young blood into the team and competition for places, I actually agree with the RON scenario...I think we play better without him but he's such a talent that how can you leave him out when he's fit, he looks like he's still some timber to shift and another 4 weeks hard training to get into the legs but for the first time in a long time we have serious options on the bench that can change the game for us.
Armagh still have Cumisky, Morgan and Rafferty to come back too which just adds to the talent
I'm not sure any of those lads will start though which is a nice problem to have. Would be incredibly harsh to drop Hughes on currrent form.
Agreed...100%. But that's my point, more quality to the squad but not necessarily starters. I'd imagine KMG will be using his squad next weekend to get game time into legs that haven't featured much.
Armagh team for players who haven't played much league football this year.... Best squad since the mid 00s?
Rafferty
Morgan Higgins McCambridge
JOB Cumiskey Rowland
Grimley McPartlan
Duffy Oisin O'Neill Hall
Nugent Rian O'Neill Kelly
Quote from: 5times5times on March 18, 2024, 11:56:27 AMArmagh team for players who haven't played much league football this year.... Best squad since the mid 00s?
Rafferty
Morgan Higgins McCambridge
JOB Cumiskey Rowland
Grimley McPartlan
Duffy Oisin O'Neill Hall
Nugent Rian O'Neill Kelly
That's probably a stronger XV than the team we played in the League. We mightn't necessarily have the best starting 15 but I'd say we have the best squad depth in the country at the minute.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 10:57:51 AMQuote from: illdecide on March 18, 2024, 09:38:43 AMYeah there's def a big step up from Div 1 and Div 2, Armagh and Donegal strolled thru the Division this year so it's difficult to know where we're at until we play a good Div 1 Team but all you can do is beat the teams in front of you and we've done that well. As you all have stated it's good to get some young blood into the team and competition for places, I actually agree with the RON scenario...I think we play better without him but he's such a talent that how can you leave him out when he's fit, he looks like he's still some timber to shift and another 4 weeks hard training to get into the legs but for the first time in a long time we have serious options on the bench that can change the game for us.
Armagh still have Cumisky, Morgan and Rafferty to come back too which just adds to the talent
I'm not sure any of those lads will start though which is a nice problem to have. Would be incredibly harsh to drop Hughes on currrent form.
Could find Rafferty out the field, Blaine well ahead of him as a keeper imo. Would be a serious man to bring off the bench great fielder and can kick points from range. Morgan would be in my best 15 if hes at his best but not sure who for.
Quote from: 5times5times on March 18, 2024, 11:56:27 AMArmagh team for players who haven't played much league football this year.... Best squad since the mid 00s?
Rafferty
Morgan Higgins McCambridge
JOB Cumiskey Rowland
Grimley McPartlan
Duffy Oisin O'Neill Hall
Nugent Rian O'Neill Kelly
McQuillan as well hasn't played a whole pile. Good competition for places anyway.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 18, 2024, 01:40:45 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 10:57:51 AMQuote from: illdecide on March 18, 2024, 09:38:43 AMYeah there's def a big step up from Div 1 and Div 2, Armagh and Donegal strolled thru the Division this year so it's difficult to know where we're at until we play a good Div 1 Team but all you can do is beat the teams in front of you and we've done that well. As you all have stated it's good to get some young blood into the team and competition for places, I actually agree with the RON scenario...I think we play better without him but he's such a talent that how can you leave him out when he's fit, he looks like he's still some timber to shift and another 4 weeks hard training to get into the legs but for the first time in a long time we have serious options on the bench that can change the game for us.
Armagh still have Cumisky, Morgan and Rafferty to come back too which just adds to the talent
I'm not sure any of those lads will start though which is a nice problem to have. Would be incredibly harsh to drop Hughes on currrent form.
Could find Rafferty out the field, Blaine well ahead of him as a keeper imo. Would be a serious man to bring off the bench great fielder and can kick points from range. Morgan would be in my best 15 if hes at his best but not sure who for.
Rafferty definitely an option at midfield but the long injury lay off may go against him when it comes to playing out the field. He could be a useful impact sub to have though.
It remains to be seen if Morgan can get back in the side. He's picked up a lot of injuries in recent years and isn't getting any younger.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 12:02:29 PMWe mightn't necessarily have the best starting 15 but I'd say we have the best squad depth in the country at the minute.
I will never understand where this Armagh delusion comes from. You have accomplished nothing with these players and yet you actually believe this.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on March 18, 2024, 04:26:39 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 12:02:29 PMWe mightn't necessarily have the best starting 15 but I'd say we have the best squad depth in the country at the minute.
I will never understand where this Armagh delusion comes from. You have accomplished nothing with these players and yet you actually believe this.
Absolute gold from the 'Dub' ;D
Nobody more depth than the Dubs.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on March 18, 2024, 04:26:39 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 12:02:29 PMWe mightn't necessarily have the best starting 15 but I'd say we have the best squad depth in the country at the minute.
I will never understand where this Armagh delusion comes from. You have accomplished nothing with these players and yet you actually believe this.
It's not delusion, it's just one persons opinion and squad depth does not equal the best team so I wouldn't be getting too upset over it. I'm not sure Dublin have the same depth they had about 5 or 6 years ago.
McGeeney operates with a squad of about 40 players which means that there are 10 lads who don't even get game time at training matches. But you can see that they are ready to make an impact if called up as they are conditioned and train like an inter county footballer. It takes a serious level of buy in from players to be able to committ to that without even getting into the training matches never mind the match day squad.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 07:49:24 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on March 18, 2024, 04:26:39 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 12:02:29 PMWe mightn't necessarily have the best starting 15 but I'd say we have the best squad depth in the country at the minute.
I will never understand where this Armagh delusion comes from. You have accomplished nothing with these players and yet you actually believe this.
It's not delusion, it's just one persons opinion and squad depth does not equal the best team so I wouldn't be getting too upset over it. I'm not sure Dublin have the same depth they had about 5 or 6 years ago.
McGeeney operates with a squad of about 40 players which means that there are 10 lads who don't even get game time at training matches. But you can see that they are ready to make an impact if called up as they are conditioned and train like an inter county footballer. It takes a serious level of buy in from players to be able to committ to that without even getting into the training matches never mind the match day squad.
BUT, surely Armagh have to win Ulster this year or McGeeney will have failed? Is he a decade in charge, no silverware and lots of hard luck stories. They've the best draw they could've got in Ulster, they appear to have the players. Surely it's shit or get off the pot time now?
Quote from: Itchy on March 18, 2024, 08:15:48 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 07:49:24 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on March 18, 2024, 04:26:39 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 12:02:29 PMWe mightn't necessarily have the best starting 15 but I'd say we have the best squad depth in the country at the minute.
I will never understand where this Armagh delusion comes from. You have accomplished nothing with these players and yet you actually believe this.
It's not delusion, it's just one persons opinion and squad depth does not equal the best team so I wouldn't be getting too upset over it. I'm not sure Dublin have the same depth they had about 5 or 6 years ago.
McGeeney operates with a squad of about 40 players which means that there are 10 lads who don't even get game time at training matches. But you can see that they are ready to make an impact if called up as they are conditioned and train like an inter county footballer. It takes a serious level of buy in from players to be able to committ to that without even getting into the training matches never mind the match day squad.
BUT, surely Armagh have to win Ulster this year or McGeeney will have failed? Is he a decade in charge, no silverware and lots of hard luck stories. They've the best draw they could've got in Ulster, they appear to have the players. Surely it's shit or get off the pot time now?
I suppose it depends how you define success. If it's measured purely in terms of trophies well then, yes he will have failed. But if it is making the best use of the players he has at his disposal there is another train of thought that says he has been successful at that.
I think he probably does need to win Ulster this year or failing that, get to an AI final in order to leave with something tangible. We've had the luck of the draw 2 years running and it feels like this year is make or break.
I think anyone following armagh know that the depth of players commiting to the team at present hasn't been seen for the past 20odd years. There are quality players currently sitting on the bench we would have been building teams around 10 years ago, certainly a conundrum mcgeeney never had when he started.
In terms of success, ulster would certainly be a realistic possibility with the draw, and failing to win that would been seen as a failure to capitalise on all the elements aligning (a good team, good draw, and previous final experience).
Quote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 08:33:59 PMQuote from: Itchy on March 18, 2024, 08:15:48 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 07:49:24 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on March 18, 2024, 04:26:39 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 12:02:29 PMWe mightn't necessarily have the best starting 15 but I'd say we have the best squad depth in the country at the minute.
I will never understand where this Armagh delusion comes from. You have accomplished nothing with these players and yet you actually believe this.
It's not delusion, it's just one persons opinion and squad depth does not equal the best team so I wouldn't be getting too upset over it. I'm not sure Dublin have the same depth they had about 5 or 6 years ago.
McGeeney operates with a squad of about 40 players which means that there are 10 lads who don't even get game time at training matches. But you can see that they are ready to make an impact if called up as they are conditioned and train like an inter county footballer. It takes a serious level of buy in from players to be able to committ to that without even getting into the training matches never mind the match day squad.
BUT, surely Armagh have to win Ulster this year or McGeeney will have failed? Is he a decade in charge, no silverware and lots of hard luck stories. They've the best draw they could've got in Ulster, they appear to have the players. Surely it's shit or get off the pot time now?
I suppose it depends how you define success. If it's measured purely in terms of trophies well then, yes he will have failed. But if it is making the best use of the players he has at his disposal there is another train of thought that says he has been successful at that.
I think he probably does need to win Ulster this year or failing that, get to an AI final in order to leave with something tangible. We've had the luck of the draw 2 years running and it feels like this year is make or break.
It would be par for the course if they failed to win Ulster again but if they managed it it would be a great boost
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on March 18, 2024, 04:26:39 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 12:02:29 PMWe mightn't necessarily have the best starting 15 but I'd say we have the best squad depth in the country at the minute.
I will never understand where this Armagh delusion comes from. You have accomplished nothing with these players and yet you actually believe this.
In terms of drop off then yeah we probably do. We could field 2 15's of a similar level, but obviously the first 15 isn't at the level of Dublin or Kerry.
Quote from: seafoid on March 18, 2024, 09:35:12 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 08:33:59 PMQuote from: Itchy on March 18, 2024, 08:15:48 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 07:49:24 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on March 18, 2024, 04:26:39 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 12:02:29 PMWe mightn't necessarily have the best starting 15 but I'd say we have the best squad depth in the country at the minute.
I will never understand where this Armagh delusion comes from. You have accomplished nothing with these players and yet you actually believe this.
It's not delusion, it's just one persons opinion and squad depth does not equal the best team so I wouldn't be getting too upset over it. I'm not sure Dublin have the same depth they had about 5 or 6 years ago.
McGeeney operates with a squad of about 40 players which means that there are 10 lads who don't even get game time at training matches. But you can see that they are ready to make an impact if called up as they are conditioned and train like an inter county footballer. It takes a serious level of buy in from players to be able to committ to that without even getting into the training matches never mind the match day squad.
BUT, surely Armagh have to win Ulster this year or McGeeney will have failed? Is he a decade in charge, no silverware and lots of hard luck stories. They've the best draw they could've got in Ulster, they appear to have the players. Surely it's shit or get off the pot time now?
I suppose it depends how you define success. If it's measured purely in terms of trophies well then, yes he will have failed. But if it is making the best use of the players he has at his disposal there is another train of thought that says he has been successful at that.
I think he probably does need to win Ulster this year or failing that, get to an AI final in order to leave with something tangible. We've had the luck of the draw 2 years running and it feels like this year is make or break.
It would be par for the course if they failed to win Ulster again but if they managed it it would be a great boost
Should be in an Ulster final given the draw. On current form it'll be against Derry, who we could definitely have beat last year but who seem to have improved again going on the league.
Be no more of a kick of a ball in it either way imo,
if that's the two teams who make the final.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 18, 2024, 09:42:34 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 18, 2024, 09:35:12 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 08:33:59 PMQuote from: Itchy on March 18, 2024, 08:15:48 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 07:49:24 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on March 18, 2024, 04:26:39 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 12:02:29 PMWe mightn't necessarily have the best starting 15 but I'd say we have the best squad depth in the country at the minute.
I will never understand where this Armagh delusion comes from. You have accomplished nothing with these players and yet you actually believe this.
It's not delusion, it's just one persons opinion and squad depth does not equal the best team so I wouldn't be getting too upset over it. I'm not sure Dublin have the same depth they had about 5 or 6 years ago.
McGeeney operates with a squad of about 40 players which means that there are 10 lads who don't even get game time at training matches. But you can see that they are ready to make an impact if called up as they are conditioned and train like an inter county footballer. It takes a serious level of buy in from players to be able to committ to that without even getting into the training matches never mind the match day squad.
BUT, surely Armagh have to win Ulster this year or McGeeney will have failed? Is he a decade in charge, no silverware and lots of hard luck stories. They've the best draw they could've got in Ulster, they appear to have the players. Surely it's shit or get off the pot time now?
I suppose it depends how you define success. If it's measured purely in terms of trophies well then, yes he will have failed. But if it is making the best use of the players he has at his disposal there is another train of thought that says he has been successful at that.
I think he probably does need to win Ulster this year or failing that, get to an AI final in order to leave with something tangible. We've had the luck of the draw 2 years running and it feels like this year is make or break.
It would be par for the course if they failed to win Ulster again but if they managed it it would be a great boost
Should be in an Ulster final given the draw. On current form it'll be against Derry, who we could definitely have beat last year but who seem to have improved again going on the league.
Be no more of a kick of a ball in it either way imo, if that's the two teams who make the final.
At this point I'd expect that to be the final as well. You could have the unusual situation of a Derry man (Gilligan) plotting his own counties downfall against 2 Tyrone men (Harte and Devlin) trying to win silverware for their arch rivals.
Awful beating for Tipp at the weekend. They're in a sorry state having been on the crest of a wave up to 2020. They lost a few key players to emigration and injury. Football is a second class citizen for most of Tipperary of course also and only the few hardcore men like David Power were keeping them going at a high level. Liam Kearns RIP was amazing for them also. Conor Sweeney will be back for championship I think which will help, but I don't see them beating Clare in 3 weeks.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 18, 2024, 09:06:38 PMI think anyone following armagh know that the depth of players commiting to the team at present hasn't been seen for the past 20odd years. There are quality players currently sitting on the bench we would have been building teams around 10 years ago, certainly a conundrum mcgeeney never had when he started.
In terms of success, ulster would certainly be a realistic possibility with the draw, and failing to win that would been seen as a failure to capitalise on all the elements aligning (a good team, good draw, and previous final experience).
This is a nonsense and part of the populist narrative in the county over the last couple of years.
We have a large panel of players of a very similar and good standard. A lot of players are interchangeable.
McGeeney demands an extremely high level or work and when they're all hitting that together it makes the team formidible. He's getting a tune out of lads at that level through conditioning and effort that I wouldn't have though possible watching them play club football.
However, Armagh don't have the number of high quality players that most of the division one teams have. Forker, Grugan and Murnin are the exceptions to that - they'd make any team in my view. This is why Rian is such a disappointment as he has exceptional ability but doesn't back it up with the work on and off the pitch the others do.
Beyond that group, everyone is replaceable by similar but that group is smaller than most top counties.
If Armagh are to win Ulster or All Ireland titles it will be a collective effort and a result of team ethic and approach tactically.
I think that is a much more reasoned post. Armagh can replace like for like with a lot of players so do have the benefit of depth but maybe the best of the best with them just isn't quite as high as with some others. Dublin can bring Jack McCaffrey off the bench and Kerry the likes of Stephen O'Brien. No one else really - Derry and Tyrone included - can bring that level of player off the bench.
I think McGeeney has been searching for that level of player to use as an impact sub late in games but as you say, we dont really have the luxury to leave a higher level player on the bench. He tried it with Stefan quite a bit. Most recently in the Ulster Final. Then he inevitably gets the loud cries of why did this player not start if they play so well...
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 19, 2024, 10:36:58 AMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 18, 2024, 09:06:38 PMI think anyone following armagh know that the depth of players commiting to the team at present hasn't been seen for the past 20odd years. There are quality players currently sitting on the bench we would have been building teams around 10 years ago, certainly a conundrum mcgeeney never had when he started.
In terms of success, ulster would certainly be a realistic possibility with the draw, and failing to win that would been seen as a failure to capitalise on all the elements aligning (a good team, good draw, and previous final experience).
This is a nonsense and part of the populist narrative in the county over the last couple of years.
We have a large panel of players of a very similar and good standard. A lot of players are interchangeable.
McGeeney demands an extremely high level or work and when they're all hitting that together it makes the team formidible. He's getting a tune out of lads at that level through conditioning and effort that I wouldn't have though possible watching them play club football.
However, Armagh don't have the number of high quality players that most of the division one teams have. Forker, Grugan and Murnin are the exceptions to that - they'd make any team in my view. This is why Rian is such a disappointment as he has exceptional ability but doesn't back it up with the work on and off the pitch the others do.
Beyond that group, everyone is replaceable by similar but that group is smaller than most top counties.
If Armagh are to win Ulster or All Ireland titles it will be a collective effort and a result of team ethic and approach tactically.
What part is nonsense?
Quote from: lurganblue on March 19, 2024, 10:59:14 AMI think McGeeney has been searching for that level of player to use as an impact sub late in games but as you say, we dont really have the luxury to leave a higher level player on the bench. He tried it with Stefan quite a bit. Most recently in the Ulster Final. Then he inevitably gets the loud cries of why did this player not start if they play so well...
I just don't think many teams out there have that luxury - only two and arguably one have. To have a team not starting Jack McCaffrey for example is ludicrous. No one else could do that.
Any watering holes in Irelands real capital for the games on Sat? Is it a far walk from train station to PUC?
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 19, 2024, 10:36:58 AMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 18, 2024, 09:06:38 PMI think anyone following armagh know that the depth of players commiting to the team at present hasn't been seen for the past 20odd years. There are quality players currently sitting on the bench we would have been building teams around 10 years ago, certainly a conundrum mcgeeney never had when he started.
In terms of success, ulster would certainly be a realistic possibility with the draw, and failing to win that would been seen as a failure to capitalise on all the elements aligning (a good team, good draw, and previous final experience).
This is a nonsense and part of the populist narrative in the county over the last couple of years.
We have a large panel of players of a very similar and good standard. A lot of players are interchangeable.
McGeeney demands an extremely high level or work and when they're all hitting that together it makes the team formidible. He's getting a tune out of lads at that level through conditioning and effort that I wouldn't have though possible watching them play club football.
However, Armagh don't have the number of high quality players that most of the division one teams have. Forker, Grugan and Murnin are the exceptions to that - they'd make any team in my view. This is why Rian is such a disappointment as he has exceptional ability but doesn't back it up with the work on and off the pitch the others do.
Beyond that group, everyone is replaceable by similar but that group is smaller than most top counties.
If Armagh are to win Ulster or All Ireland titles it will be a collective effort and a result of team ethic and approach tactically.
Would agree. We can only really judge the quality of the players we have by how they perform in the bigger pressure championship games so for me if we're talking quality forwards, they need to be showing it on Ulster final day, All-Ireland quarter final etc. A pressure free kick, a key score at a critical time, a goal. Something to show that they can impact a fairly big game against decent opposition. I can't say too many Armagh forwards have shown that in recent years. They may have another chance this year so let's see.
Quote from: 5times5times on March 19, 2024, 01:40:45 PMAny watering holes in Irelands real capital for the games on Sat? Is it a far walk from train station to PUC?
I think it is a far walk from PUC to anything useful, station is 40-45 mins.
Quote from: Armamike on March 19, 2024, 03:54:31 PMQuote from: DuffleKing on March 19, 2024, 10:36:58 AMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 18, 2024, 09:06:38 PMI think anyone following armagh know that the depth of players commiting to the team at present hasn't been seen for the past 20odd years. There are quality players currently sitting on the bench we would have been building teams around 10 years ago, certainly a conundrum mcgeeney never had when he started.
In terms of success, ulster would certainly be a realistic possibility with the draw, and failing to win that would been seen as a failure to capitalise on all the elements aligning (a good team, good draw, and previous final experience).
This is a nonsense and part of the populist narrative in the county over the last couple of years.
We have a large panel of players of a very similar and good standard. A lot of players are interchangeable.
McGeeney demands an extremely high level or work and when they're all hitting that together it makes the team formidible. He's getting a tune out of lads at that level through conditioning and effort that I wouldn't have though possible watching them play club football.
However, Armagh don't have the number of high quality players that most of the division one teams have. Forker, Grugan and Murnin are the exceptions to that - they'd make any team in my view. This is why Rian is such a disappointment as he has exceptional ability but doesn't back it up with the work on and off the pitch the others do.
Beyond that group, everyone is replaceable by similar but that group is smaller than most top counties.
If Armagh are to win Ulster or All Ireland titles it will be a collective effort and a result of team ethic and approach tactically.
Would agree. We can only really judge the quality of the players we have by how they perform in the bigger pressure championship games so for me if we're talking quality forwards, they need to be showing it on Ulster final day, All-Ireland quarter final etc. A pressure free kick, a key score at a critical time, a goal. Something to show that they can impact a fairly big game against decent opposition. I can't say too many Armagh forwards have shown that in recent years. They may have another chance this year so let's see.
Armagh have gone out on penalties in the quarter finals 2 years in a row. Surely a semi final if not more is the goal this year
Quote from: seafoid on March 19, 2024, 10:03:26 PMQuote from: Armamike on March 19, 2024, 03:54:31 PMQuote from: DuffleKing on March 19, 2024, 10:36:58 AMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 18, 2024, 09:06:38 PMI think anyone following armagh know that the depth of players commiting to the team at present hasn't been seen for the past 20odd years. There are quality players currently sitting on the bench we would have been building teams around 10 years ago, certainly a conundrum mcgeeney never had when he started.
In terms of success, ulster would certainly be a realistic possibility with the draw, and failing to win that would been seen as a failure to capitalise on all the elements aligning (a good team, good draw, and previous final experience).
This is a nonsense and part of the populist narrative in the county over the last couple of years.
We have a large panel of players of a very similar and good standard. A lot of players are interchangeable.
McGeeney demands an extremely high level or work and when they're all hitting that together it makes the team formidible. He's getting a tune out of lads at that level through conditioning and effort that I wouldn't have though possible watching them play club football.
However, Armagh don't have the number of high quality players that most of the division one teams have. Forker, Grugan and Murnin are the exceptions to that - they'd make any team in my view. This is why Rian is such a disappointment as he has exceptional ability but doesn't back it up with the work on and off the pitch the others do.
Beyond that group, everyone is replaceable by similar but that group is smaller than most top counties.
If Armagh are to win Ulster or All Ireland titles it will be a collective effort and a result of team ethic and approach tactically.
Would agree. We can only really judge the quality of the players we have by how they perform in the bigger pressure championship games so for me if we're talking quality forwards, they need to be showing it on Ulster final day, All-Ireland quarter final etc. A pressure free kick, a key score at a critical time, a goal. Something to show that they can impact a fairly big game against decent opposition. I can't say too many Armagh forwards have shown that in recent years. They may have another chance this year so let's see.
Armagh have gone out on penalties in the quarter finals 2 years in a row. Surely a semi final if not more is the goal this year
Ulster title would be the first aim but yeah would be disappointed if we dont make a semi final as well.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 20, 2024, 06:04:46 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 19, 2024, 10:03:26 PMQuote from: Armamike on March 19, 2024, 03:54:31 PMQuote from: DuffleKing on March 19, 2024, 10:36:58 AMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 18, 2024, 09:06:38 PMI think anyone following armagh know that the depth of players commiting to the team at present hasn't been seen for the past 20odd years. There are quality players currently sitting on the bench we would have been building teams around 10 years ago, certainly a conundrum mcgeeney never had when he started.
In terms of success, ulster would certainly be a realistic possibility with the draw, and failing to win that would been seen as a failure to capitalise on all the elements aligning (a good team, good draw, and previous final experience).
This is a nonsense and part of the populist narrative in the county over the last couple of years.
We have a large panel of players of a very similar and good standard. A lot of players are interchangeable.
McGeeney demands an extremely high level or work and when they're all hitting that together it makes the team formidible. He's getting a tune out of lads at that level through conditioning and effort that I wouldn't have though possible watching them play club football.
However, Armagh don't have the number of high quality players that most of the division one teams have. Forker, Grugan and Murnin are the exceptions to that - they'd make any team in my view. This is why Rian is such a disappointment as he has exceptional ability but doesn't back it up with the work on and off the pitch the others do.
Beyond that group, everyone is replaceable by similar but that group is smaller than most top counties.
If Armagh are to win Ulster or All Ireland titles it will be a collective effort and a result of team ethic and approach tactically.
Would agree. We can only really judge the quality of the players we have by how they perform in the bigger pressure championship games so for me if we're talking quality forwards, they need to be showing it on Ulster final day, All-Ireland quarter final etc. A pressure free kick, a key score at a critical time, a goal. Something to show that they can impact a fairly big game against decent opposition. I can't say too many Armagh forwards have shown that in recent years. They may have another chance this year so let's see.
Armagh have gone out on penalties in the quarter finals 2 years in a row. Surely a semi final if not more is the goal this year
Ulster title would be the first aim but yeah would be disappointed if we dont make a semi final as well.
could end up getting dublin/kerry in a qf. That would greatly reduce any chance of a sf
That's it like Ireland at the Rugby, draw can screw you, even an outlier team in the group stage could hump you - Westmeath could have done us last year.
Top the group and we likely avoid them. Best way to do that is avoid them in group- so win Ulster.
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 20, 2024, 09:22:00 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 20, 2024, 06:04:46 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 19, 2024, 10:03:26 PMQuote from: Armamike on March 19, 2024, 03:54:31 PMQuote from: DuffleKing on March 19, 2024, 10:36:58 AMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 18, 2024, 09:06:38 PMI think anyone following armagh know that the depth of players commiting to the team at present hasn't been seen for the past 20odd years. There are quality players currently sitting on the bench we would have been building teams around 10 years ago, certainly a conundrum mcgeeney never had when he started.
In terms of success, ulster would certainly be a realistic possibility with the draw, and failing to win that would been seen as a failure to capitalise on all the elements aligning (a good team, good draw, and previous final experience).
This is a nonsense and part of the populist narrative in the county over the last couple of years.
We have a large panel of players of a very similar and good standard. A lot of players are interchangeable.
McGeeney demands an extremely high level or work and when they're all hitting that together it makes the team formidible. He's getting a tune out of lads at that level through conditioning and effort that I wouldn't have though possible watching them play club football.
However, Armagh don't have the number of high quality players that most of the division one teams have. Forker, Grugan and Murnin are the exceptions to that - they'd make any team in my view. This is why Rian is such a disappointment as he has exceptional ability but doesn't back it up with the work on and off the pitch the others do.
Beyond that group, everyone is replaceable by similar but that group is smaller than most top counties.
If Armagh are to win Ulster or All Ireland titles it will be a collective effort and a result of team ethic and approach tactically.
Would agree. We can only really judge the quality of the players we have by how they perform in the bigger pressure championship games so for me if we're talking quality forwards, they need to be showing it on Ulster final day, All-Ireland quarter final etc. A pressure free kick, a key score at a critical time, a goal. Something to show that they can impact a fairly big game against decent opposition. I can't say too many Armagh forwards have shown that in recent years. They may have another chance this year so let's see.
Armagh have gone out on penalties in the quarter finals 2 years in a row. Surely a semi final if not more is the goal this year
Ulster title would be the first aim but yeah would be disappointed if we dont make a semi final as well.
could end up getting dublin/kerry in a qf. That would greatly reduce any chance of a sf
Chances of not getting them if Armagh do not win their group are 1 in 2 unless the hoors meet each other in a qf.
Armagh should really get to a semi this year because they have the quality and the momentum from D2.
Have you heurs no thread of your own here to waffle away on.
Quote from: Cavan19 on March 20, 2024, 03:21:07 PMHave you heurs no thread of your own here to waffle away on.
Awk sure we be in the divsion 1 thread next year not need to worry ;)
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 20, 2024, 03:23:10 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on March 20, 2024, 03:21:07 PMHave you heurs no thread of your own here to waffle away on.
Awk sure we be in the divsion 1 thread next year not need to worry ;)
Yeh and we will have to listen to the fecking mushroom men in here then.
Quote from: Itchy on March 20, 2024, 04:21:46 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 20, 2024, 03:23:10 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on March 20, 2024, 03:21:07 PMHave you heurs no thread of your own here to waffle away on.
Awk sure we be in the divsion 1 thread next year not need to worry ;)
Yeh and we will have to listen to the fecking mushroom men in here then.
The stuff used to grow mushrooms would be the best description of the Cavan performance and effort last weekend.
It'll be hard for the stayers to get out of D2 next year as well.
Is next years Div2 tougher than this years?
3x ulster
3x leinster
1x munster & connacht
Monaghan
Roscommon (likely)
Westmeath
Down (likely)
Louth
Cork
Meath
Cavan
You'd fancy Monaghan to come straight back- good chance to blood young lads next year. If Cork got off to a good start next year they won't be far away and the Rossies will be strong as well so Cavan will have their work cut out.
Quote from: 5times5times on March 20, 2024, 06:22:24 PMIs next years Div2 tougher than this years?
3x ulster
3x leinster
1x munster & connacht
Monaghan
Roscommon (likely)
Westmeath
Down (likely)
Louth
Cork
Meath
Cavan
Kildare were pushovers this year. Down and Westmeath will be stronger than them and Fermanagh imo.
Think ourselves and Donegal similar level or slightly stronger than Monaghan and Roscommon. Surely Meath won't be as useless as this year, Cavan had been going well up until folding against us and Louth were dealt a big blow losing Harte the way they did so would expect them to be better next year.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 20, 2024, 07:00:51 PMQuote from: 5times5times on March 20, 2024, 06:22:24 PMIs next years Div2 tougher than this years?
3x ulster
3x leinster
1x munster & connacht
Monaghan
Roscommon (likely)
Westmeath
Down (likely)
Louth
Cork
Meath
Cavan
Kildare were pushovers this year. Down and Westmeath will be stronger than them and Fermanagh imo.
Think ourselves and Donegal similar level or slightly stronger than Monaghan and Roscommon. Surely Meath won't be as useless as this year, Cavan had been going well up until folding against us and Louth were dealt a big blow losing Harte the way they did so would expect them to be better next year.
Gonna be funny when down balls it up at the weekend
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 20, 2024, 07:00:51 PMQuote from: 5times5times on March 20, 2024, 06:22:24 PMIs next years Div2 tougher than this years?
3x ulster
3x leinster
1x munster & connacht
Monaghan
Roscommon (likely)
Westmeath
Down (likely)
Louth
Cork
Meath
Cavan
Kildare were pushovers this year. Down and Westmeath will be stronger than them and Fermanagh imo.
Think ourselves and Donegal similar level or slightly stronger than Monaghan and Roscommon. Surely Meath won't be as useless as this year, Cavan had been going well up until folding against us and Louth were dealt a big blow losing Harte the way they did so would expect them to be better next year.
No one at the start of the season thought Kildare would be push overs. I think Down and Westmeath will do well to survive in Div2 next year. The bould Clare boys might have something to say about it yet. I know they are missing a few lads from last season but they were a big enough physical team and if it were a dirty day and they put a squeeze on Down its not beyond the realms of possibilities they could win that last game.
Quote from: 5times5times on March 20, 2024, 06:22:24 PMIs next years Div2 tougher than this years?
3x ulster
3x leinster
1x munster & connacht
Monaghan
Roscommon (likely)
Westmeath
Down (likely)
Louth
Cork
Meath
Cavan
Probably on par. Arguably we have a top ten at the moment, the two relegated teams from Div 1 last year Armagh,Donegal have bounced straight back with a game to spare the same could well happen for Monaghan Roscommon/Galway next year.
Quote from: 5times5times on March 20, 2024, 06:22:24 PMIs next years Div2 tougher than this years?
3x ulster
3x leinster
1x munster & connacht
Monaghan
Roscommon (likely)
Westmeath
Down (likely)
Louth
Cork
Meath
Cavan
Standard looks similar but Armagh and Donegal were the most obvious promotion candidates at the beginning of this years League and that is how it transpired. Monaghan and Roscommon might be slight favourites to go back up next year but they could both find this tougher than either Armagh or Donegal as they are probably both 7-12 ranked teams. The rest could all just as easily get relegated to division 3 as be fighting for promotion with Kildare this year being a prime example.
They were the biggest under achievers throughout the entire 4 divisions and only that they have a management team who were among their best ever players, they wouldn't be in charge for championship given the downward spiral they appear to be on.
Strong looking Armagh side for Cork. I hope there'll be plenty of changes before throw in, if not our supposed strength in depth might appear to be a bit of a myth.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 21, 2024, 09:45:09 PMStrong looking Armagh side for Cork. I hope there'll be plenty of changes before throw in, if not our supposed strength in depth might appear to be a bit of a myth.
We haven't used a lot of this 'depth' so far this year. League wise anyway
Quote from: bennydorano on March 21, 2024, 09:45:09 PMStrong looking Armagh side for Cork. I hope there'll be plenty of changes before throw in, if not our supposed strength in depth might appear to be a bit of a myth.
Probably a stronger looking bench lol. Would 100% give the 2 O'Neills and the 3 Cullyhanna men a start.
Can't really see anything outside of a Cavan win and a Louth win tonight to settle relegation.
Ultimately , the defeat against Cork has cost us in a game.
There would need to be some sort of reaction to what Louth did to us last weekend or the Ulster Championship game against Armagh could be very messy
Quote from: FermGael on March 23, 2024, 11:23:55 AMCan't really see anything outside of a Cavan win and a Louth win tonight to settle relegation.
Ultimately , the defeat against Cork has cost us in a game.
There would need to be some sort of reaction to what Louth did to us last weekend or the Ulster Championship game against Armagh could be very messy
Cavan missing a lot of important players and few just back from injury. I'd give Fermanagh a decent shot
Quote from: Itchy on March 23, 2024, 12:12:48 PMQuote from: FermGael on March 23, 2024, 11:23:55 AMCan't really see anything outside of a Cavan win and a Louth win tonight to settle relegation.
Ultimately , the defeat against Cork has cost us in a game.
There would need to be some sort of reaction to what Louth did to us last weekend or the Ulster Championship game against Armagh could be very messy
Cavan missing a lot of important players and few just back from injury. I'd give Fermanagh a decent shot
Fermanagh were a lot tougher than Cavan for us. Plus they've a lot more to play for or do Cavan need to win to avoid the Tailteann?
No TV coverage of the Armagh cork game, is there any radio commentary available?
Cork flavoured commentary
https://www.c103.ie/north-cork/player/
Half time scores
Kildare 0-6 Louth 1-3 match live on TG4
Cavan 0-4 Fermanagh 1-6 live on the BBC Iplayer
Donegal 0-10 Meath 1-3 Radio coverage https://www.lmfm.ie/player/
Cork 0-9 Armagh 1-9 Radio coverage https://www.c103.ie/west-cork/player/
As it stands Louth to stay up scoring difference ahead of Fermanagh.
Quote from: dec on March 23, 2024, 07:23:30 PMCork flavoured commentary
https://www.c103.ie/north-cork/player/
Is there local radio in the 6 counties? Would they not cover the games?
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 23, 2024, 07:40:20 PMHalf time scores
Kildare 0-6 Louth 1-3 match live on TG4
Cavan 0-4 Fermanagh 1-6 live on the BBC Iplayer
Donegal 0-10 Meath 1-3 Radio coverage https://www.lmfm.ie/player/
Cork 0-9 Armagh 1-9 Radio coverage https://www.c103.ie/west-cork/player/
As it stands Louth to stay up scoring difference ahead of Fermanagh.
Head to head?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 23, 2024, 07:54:25 PMHead to head?
Yes have the head to head on Fermanagh and better scoring difference. Fermanagh with another goal 2-9 to 0-7 ahead now. Louth three in front.
Cavan deserve to be in Division 3 on this evidence.
They'll get ate up in the all Ireland series.
Lucky to get points early on.
Louth retain Div 2 status. Result Kildare 0-12 Louth 1-12
Other results
Cavan 1-13 Fermanagh 2-14 (Cavan finish 3rd in the table)
Donegal 1-18 Meath 1-10 (Meath 5th place)
Cork 2-16 Armagh 2-16 (4th place finish for Cork)
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 23, 2024, 08:35:04 PMLouth retain Div 2 status. Result Kildare 0-12 Louth 1-12
Finish 6th instead of 4th thanks to Corks draw.
Might have to get to a leinster final to make all Ireland series but might be safe enough
A bit of pride restored and a much needed response to the Louth game .
Quote from: FermGael on March 23, 2024, 08:51:22 PMA bit of pride restored and a much needed response to the Louth game .
That game was Fermanagh's Aughrim. The most significant matches happen in the bottom half of D2. It's Sam Maguire musical chairs. At least ye finished with a win.
Is that Fermanagh definitely playing in the Tailteann now?
Quote from: tintin25 on March 24, 2024, 09:24:41 AMIs that Fermanagh definitely playing in the Tailteann now?
Yes unless they get to an Ulster final
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 23, 2024, 08:08:12 PMCavan deserve to be in Division 3 on this evidence.
They'll get ate up in the all Ireland series.
Lucky to get points early on.
Yes, we are going backwards at an alarming rate. That was an atrocious performance to go with the atrocious one the week before. Very worrying and I just cannot see how we rectify that for our trip to Clones in 2 weeks. Monaghan will easily best us I'm afraid to say
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 23, 2024, 08:08:12 PMCavan deserve to be in Division 3 on this evidence.
They'll get ate up in the all Ireland series.
Lucky to get points early on.
There is a big gap between the top 10 and the next level
In fairness to Cavan they'd nothing to play for and Fermanagh were fighting for survival, always gonna be hard to get a result. They ran Donegal close as well, funny old league.
Fair gap from top 10 down alright. Cork not far away based on last night but again all league results need taken with a pinch of salt.
Kildare seven games and seven defeats is unbelievable in Division 2 outside of the top two that was far from great this year.
Only two years ago they were playing in Div 1 unlucky to do down as they drew with Kerry and beat Dublin.
Armagh lads what's the story with trains for next Sunday... will they put on extra??
There might not be any trains as they have planned maintenance works for Easter Sunday...Politicians are asking Translink to postpone these works to allow fans and trains to the games...Prob find out tomorrow
Could only book the half 11 train from Portadown which is cutting it fine for the first game. If they're putting on more trains I'd presume they'd be earlier and we could get on them.
Will try the half 9 anyway.
One for Armagh fans, saw this on the Armagh site - Killian the football genius blog, some decent highlights in Cork for a fella sitting with his phone. Fair play to him.
https://youtu.be/OXjJiWwTETw?si=s6ieq8sl783z2RPV
Quote from: bennydorano on March 25, 2024, 01:01:02 PMOne for Armagh fans, saw this on the Armagh site - Killian the football genius blog, some decent highlights in Cork for a fella sitting with his phone. Fair play to him.
https://youtu.be/OXjJiWwTETw?si=s6ieq8sl783z2RPV
Ah yeah he has done a great service all year
Am I the only one that didn't realize that Cavan v Fermanagh was on the BBC at the weekend.
Was this game advertised at all?
I know Fintan O'Toole missed it in his weekly tweet he's usually very good.
Quote from: lurganblue on March 25, 2024, 01:14:18 PMQuote from: bennydorano on March 25, 2024, 01:01:02 PMOne for Armagh fans, saw this on the Armagh site - Killian the football genius blog, some decent highlights in Cork for a fella sitting with his phone. Fair play to him.
https://youtu.be/OXjJiWwTETw?si=s6ieq8sl783z2RPV
Ah yeah he has done a great service all year
Very good.
Quote from: Orior on March 25, 2024, 05:23:25 PMQuote from: lurganblue on March 25, 2024, 01:14:18 PMQuote from: bennydorano on March 25, 2024, 01:01:02 PMOne for Armagh fans, saw this on the Armagh site - Killian the football genius blog, some decent highlights in Cork for a fella sitting with his phone. Fair play to him.
https://youtu.be/OXjJiWwTETw?si=s6ieq8sl783z2RPV
Ah yeah he has done a great service all year
Very good.
+1
Is there a trick to putting Ticketmaster tickets into an iPhone Wallet?
Quote from: Orior on March 27, 2024, 09:47:30 PMIs there a trick to putting Ticketmaster tickets into an iPhone Wallet?
App called Stocard will do it for you on iphone. Simple on Android with the standard apps.
Quote from: Orior on March 27, 2024, 09:47:30 PMIs there a trick to putting Ticketmaster tickets into an iPhone Wallet?
You logged in on your phone? Is the only option Google wallet?
Quote from: p3427977 on March 27, 2024, 10:09:25 PMQuote from: Orior on March 27, 2024, 09:47:30 PMIs there a trick to putting Ticketmaster tickets into an iPhone Wallet?
You logged in on your phone? Is the only option Google wallet?
Yes, only option appears to be Google Wallet.
Also disappointed that we have a poster called Itchy but no Scratchy.
Quote from: Orior on March 27, 2024, 09:47:30 PMIs there a trick to putting Ticketmaster tickets into an iPhone Wallet?
they usually give me an option to do so
Any word on teams yet?
Donegal are missing some key men. McBrearty, McCole, Ban Gallagher, Jason McGee and Conor O'Donnell out. Ryan McHugh possibly too. Don't really care too much about this weekend, but we'll need them back for the Derry game as they're all definite starters when fit.
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Quote from: J70 on March 29, 2024, 11:38:19 AMAny word on teams yet?
Donegal are missing some key men. McBrearty, McCole, Ban Gallagher, Jason McGee and Conor O'Donnell out. Ryan McHugh possibly too. Don't really care too much about this weekend, but we'll need them back for the Derry game as they're all definite starters when fit.
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Armagh fielded their U21 team in the McKenna Cup. It would be a lovely gesture if Donegal did the same for this match.
(https://i.postimg.cc/cHfJgwbC/FB-IMG-1711817740510.jpg)
Appropriate that Murnin is pictured, he has been a strong contributor in the last year, even when he does not score he is fouled and a score results.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 30, 2024, 10:36:07 PM(https://i.postimg.cc/cHfJgwbC/FB-IMG-1711817740510.jpg)
Appropriate that Murnin is pictured, he has been a strong contributor in the last year, even when he does not score he is fouled and a score results.
Great operator. Hope we can get a win today. The likes of him, Grugan, Soupy and Forker have given an awful lot to Armagh for years with not too many medals to show for it.
Armagh been poor blocking up the Dee so far 3/4 points kicked from that area.burns has kicked two good scores but taking Campbell out for him a defensive move which I had hoped we were moving away from.
Two well matched teams in action thus far which was also the case in the match played between the two a few week ago. Half time Armagh 0-7 Donegal 0-8
Some soft frees at both ends in that half. And some bad misses too.
Intensity (and quality) not really in it, bit like the game earlier in the year. Armagh uncharacteristically charitable with space around the D. Donegal without the fire power to really take advantage.
Apart from a couple of lovely scores from Grugan, not much to note from Armagh. Giving a start to young McMullen out of absolutely nowhere perhaps indicative of their attitude to the fixture.
Disappointing so far from Armagh, has there been one kick pass in yet? If Donegal man marked Grugan they'd bottle up the only creativity we have.
Not great from Armagh, loads back in defence however not laying a glove on the Donegal shooters.
Poor quality all round so far tbh. Bar abit from Grugan and Conaty we've not been at it
Looking like Donegal's day. Armagh not quite at it and all the breaks look to be going against them.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 31, 2024, 02:55:55 PMLooking like Donegal's day. Armagh not quite at it and all the breaks look to be going against them.
Looking good for Donegal 0-12 to 0-8 with 53 minutes played.
Armagh have went back from last year.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 31, 2024, 02:55:55 PMLooking like Donegal's day. Armagh not quite at it and all the breaks look to be going against them.
wouldn't say the breaks going against them been poor all over the pitch.
62 minutes played Donegal 0-12 Armagh 0-9. 8 wides each.
Armagh have come to life. 0-12 to 0-11 now 66 mins played.
Armagh lead by 1 point. 69 mins played
Penalties?
Only a point in it.
Level game into added time. Some score from Gallen to put Donegal back in front.
FT Donegal 0-15 Armagh 0-14. Some drama at the end but the best team on the day won.
Got what we deserved.
Armagh blew that
Donegal fans fond of the middle finger
Exciting finish but best team won. Can't be coincidence Armagh losing all these tight big games?
Donegal deserved their win. Armagh will know you can't just wake up for 10 minutes of the 2nd half and expect to win.
Armagh are some bunch of bottlers.
Have they ever come out on winning side of a tight game?
300k along sideline to start a defensive team vs Donegal who had their 3 best players missing.
Looked very flat. No idea what the thinking was starting McMullen.
On a positive note Rian and Oisin more minutes in the legs and done well, Conaty Croker experience and was very good also.
Last 10 minutes aside Armagh were pathetic throughout (Grugan aside).
Its only a meaningless league final doesn't carry any weight with me either, do we honestly think we are good enough to try or turn it on when we want? It feeds into a bullshit better than we actually are mentality. Armagh need less cheerleaders blowing hot air up their assess too.
Anyone who thinks that team is going to do anything bar shit the nest when it counts is delusional. A middle ranking team going nowhere.
Armagh fans seemed to be treating that like it was an All-Ireland
Poor enough quality game - very low conversion rates from both sides. Definitely a few levels below championship intensity too with a lot of space inside each team's 45.
I don't think Armagh will be too bothered about not picking up a lower league title, and handing a debut to a young fella a couple of years away from really contributing at this level speaks to this indifference.
But there was a fairly handy game to be won there, and instead we have another failure to get over the line. All add fuel to the narrative that this bunch don't have what it takes when it matters. Already a lot of pressure to deliver in Ulster this year, and that disappointment ratchets it up another notch.
Quote from: greatpoint on March 31, 2024, 03:31:58 PMArmagh fans seemed to be treating that like it was an All-Ireland
Well the team certainly weren't treating it like an All Ireland, bar a couple of minutes near the end.
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Donegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
Quote from: Itchy on March 31, 2024, 03:21:33 PMExciting finish but best team won. Can't be coincidence Armagh losing all these tight big games?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKZNP5Qrnfc
Quote from: 5times5times on March 31, 2024, 03:27:57 PMArmagh are some bunch of bottlers.
Have they ever come out on winning side of a tight game?
300k along sideline to start a defensive team vs Donegal who had their 3 best players missing.
When they did show the sideline, I did actually wonder, how much are these guys getting paid, and what tactical value are they adding. Donegal were better pretty much all over the field, and they were missing two or three starters.
Who were Donegal missing?
Quote from: greatpoint on March 31, 2024, 04:15:10 PMWho were Donegal missing?
McBrearty, McCole, Ban Gallagher,Conor O'Donnell and Ryan McHugh
Poor from us. Well done Donegal. Armagh are very unlikely to win any title but if we don't play rian from the start we definitely won't win anything.
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2024, 04:29:51 PMPoor from us. Well done Donegal. Armagh are very unlikely to win any title but if we don't play rian from the start we definitely won't win anything.
He didn't look fit against Donegal the first day. Wasn't in Cork but from talking to people he was poor down there. One of the top players in the country when hes on his game though and agree we need him and the brother motoring if we are to have any hope.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 31, 2024, 04:31:42 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2024, 04:29:51 PMPoor from us. Well done Donegal. Armagh are very unlikely to win any title but if we don't play rian from the start we definitely won't win anything.
He didn't look fit against Donegal the first day. Wasn't in Cork but from talking to people he was poor down there. One of the top players in the country when hes on his game though and agree we need him and the brother motoring if we are to have any hope.
Made a difference today. As did Oisin in fairness.
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2024, 04:39:53 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 31, 2024, 04:31:42 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2024, 04:29:51 PMPoor from us. Well done Donegal. Armagh are very unlikely to win any title but if we don't play rian from the start we definitely won't win anything.
He didn't look fit against Donegal the first day. Wasn't in Cork but from talking to people he was poor down there. One of the top players in the country when hes on his game though and agree we need him and the brother motoring if we are to have any hope.
Made a difference today. As did Oisin in fairness.
Yeah both good today, Rian especially. Brings that bit of bite we were lacking today.
Good win for Donegal - great to have this young team experience Croke Park and even better, winning there. Not sure that either team was at 100% intensity for this one. Plenty for us to work on - kickouts were poor enough all day. Big step up in quality watching the first half of Derry and the Dubs.
I don't know if I can take any more.
First, our King has a health scare
Second, wee Jeff steps down.
Then, Armagh lose the Division 2 final.
Will this pain ever end?
Quote from: armaghniac on March 31, 2024, 03:39:36 PMQuote from: greatpoint on March 31, 2024, 03:31:58 PMArmagh fans seemed to be treating that like it was an All-Ireland
Well the team certainly weren't treating it like an All Ireland, bar a couple of minutes near the end.
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Pathetic display, Ulster final at most, sad thing is Mcgeeney will stay on, 10 years of puke football.
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2024, 04:29:51 PMPoor from us. Well done Donegal. Armagh are very unlikely to win any title but if we don't play rian from the start we definitely won't win anything.
What would he bring,looks done, brought nothing all season.
Watching the D1 final must have been vexing for Armagh fans.
Derry have closed the gap on Dublin and Kerry, by pressing hard and taking control of momentum where possible.
Armagh, with better forwards than Derry, are getting further away each year, seemingly paralysed by a fear of taking a game by the horns and building up leads.
Quote from: Orior on March 31, 2024, 08:09:45 PMI don't know if I can take any more.
First, our King has a health scare
Second, wee Jeff steps down.
Then, Armagh lose the Division 2 final.
Will this pain ever end?
You could be from Mayo...
Division 2 final lads. Glorified challenge match. A year from now you'll have to rack your brains to remember who played and who won.
Armagh will make the Ulster Final, Donegal will hope to have a strong enough team available to put it up to Derry. That's all that really matters.
Fair play to Donegal today! Weakened team but came away with the win. Armagh played none but could have won it and given the scoreable frees missed, arguably should have.
Agree that it was strange to start Mcmullan. Thompson had way too much space in the first half, but very clever at finding space. Armagh got very few turnovers which is very frustrating - standing off too much. In comparison with Derry's approach to Dublin. However they had some success on Patton's kickouts.
Another failure to close out a game from a winning position. Very frustrating trend. However, the last time they won the 2 Division trophy was in Croke Park in 2010 v Down. They closed that game out but went on to get beaten by Monaghan by about 15 points in an Ulster SF. That won't happen this year, can't see anyone hammering them but big questions over their ability to win anything.
At the end of the day it was a 1 point game and as usual plenty of overreaction.
Over reaction!! It's the same story year after year, defensive shite, no plan, too late with subs, wrong calls with subs, clueless from the management, its depressing.
A good chunk of Kildare people talk about how Geezer leaving set us years and want him back.
I'm past it as I thought he can't make good ingame calls and all the integrity talk went out with the Seanie Johnston debacle.
This is my roundabout way of asking Armagh people if he can bring you on?
Quote from: Tones on March 31, 2024, 09:32:57 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2024, 04:29:51 PMPoor from us. Well done Donegal. Armagh are very unlikely to win any title but if we don't play rian from the start we definitely won't win anything.
What would he bring,looks done, brought nothing all season.
Cheers for that insight Jim Gavin. Was brilliant when he came on yesterday. He's our best player when he's fit so he brings a fair bit
Dessie Dolan was saying that Leinster is their main focus. Can they make the final or will they meet the dubs before that?
Quote from: thewobbler on March 31, 2024, 09:39:34 PMWatching the D1 final must have been vexing for Armagh fans.
Derry have closed the gap on Dublin and Kerry, by pressing hard and taking control of momentum where possible.
Armagh, with better forwards than Derry, are getting further away each year, seemingly paralysed by a fear of taking a game by the horns and building up leads.
Surely at this stage we can finally agree that Armagh do not have better forwards than Derry. It was an argument 2 years ago but not now.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2024, 07:39:04 AMQuote from: Tones on March 31, 2024, 09:32:57 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2024, 04:29:51 PMPoor from us. Well done Donegal. Armagh are very unlikely to win any title but if we don't play rian from the start we definitely won't win anything.
What would he bring,looks done, brought nothing all season.
Cheers for that insight Jim Gavin. Was brilliant when he came on yesterday. He's our best player when he's fit so he brings a fair bit
Brilliant what game were you watching, he's living on a few very special performances, been woeful all year, started against Cork was abysmal, his introductory performances haven't been up to much, I would be starting the brother quicker, as for giving a lad a debut in a national final beggers belied.
Armagh have the players but they don't have the management. The inability to cope under pressure time after time must be frustrating; especially when it's the same issue time after time.
Quote from: Mario on April 01, 2024, 08:14:49 AMQuote from: thewobbler on March 31, 2024, 09:39:34 PMWatching the D1 final must have been vexing for Armagh fans.
Derry have closed the gap on Dublin and Kerry, by pressing hard and taking control of momentum where possible.
Armagh, with better forwards than Derry, are getting further away each year, seemingly paralysed by a fear of taking a game by the horns and building up leads.
Surely at this stage we can finally agree that Armagh do not have better forwards than Derry. It was an argument 2 years ago but not now.
Conaty, Murnin, Grugan all very good forwards. Turbitt doesn't show up against good teams. TK and the 3 O'Neills are class forwards who weren't starting yesterday. We're behind Derry at the minute for sure but we'll see what happens in Ulster.
Quote from: Caitlin on April 01, 2024, 08:42:32 AMArmagh have the players but they don't have the management. The inability to cope under pressure time after time must be frustrating; especially when it's the same issue time after time.
Management don't miss frees from 25 yards to be fair. Also highly doubt they tell players to let their man have 10 yards of space at the top of the D to kick points.
Quote from: Caitlin on April 01, 2024, 08:42:32 AMArmagh have the players but they don't have the management. The inability to cope under pressure time after time must be frustrating; especially when it's the same issue time after time.
Winning is a habit.
And its a habit Armagh don't have at the minute.
I had thought their journey through div2 might have given them that but at the first hurdle they fell.
For pople taking about Armagh having top forwards, or even better forwards thn Derry, that's pure waffle.
Derry work as a team, Armagh don't.
Nowadays, Derry's backs will score as much as their forwards on a given day. They attack from everywhere and they all can score.
Granted, extra-time yesterday, but another big score from Derry.
For people to say also that teams when they get to finals, it doesn't really matter or they've not interested: again, pure waffle. An excuse.
McGeeney offering excuses of a bug in the camp and poor last week preparation which might explain a bit of the shitness. Doesn't explain the awful tactics. We failed miserably at the first half decent team we met (not even a real good team).
I always get the feeling with this Armagh management team that we always try to win games playing at 80%, we never show our full hand - always saving it for the real big games that we invariably fail to get to because of our nonsense attitude. We pretend like we're not interested in some games like we're a Dublin or Kerry with hatfuls of medals, again saving ourselves for bigger days that never come.
The 2nd game must have been such an eye opener for McGeeney. We're miles off it, and him playing mind games with himself with absolutely no one concerned about us at all.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 01, 2024, 09:45:27 AMMcGeeney offering excuses of a bug in the camp and poor last week preparation which might explain a bit of the shitness. Doesn't explain the awful tactics. We failed miserably at the first half decent team we net (not even a real good team).
I always get the feeling with this Armagh management team that we always try to win games playing at 80%, we never show our full hand - always saving it for the real big games that we invariably fail to get to because of our nonsense attitude. We pretend like we're not interested in some games like we're a Dublin or Kerry with hatfuls of medals, again saving ourselves for bigger days that never come.
The 2nd game must have been such an eye opener for McGeeney. We're miles off it, and him playing mind games with himself with absolutely no one concerned about us at all.
To be fair, there was talk of this bug prior to throw in. I'm not one for excuses either to be honest but that seems legit.
We lost the game as we didn't play well and Donegal were better. Simple as that
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2024, 08:44:43 AMQuote from: Caitlin on April 01, 2024, 08:42:32 AMArmagh have the players but they don't have the management. The inability to cope under pressure time after time must be frustrating; especially when it's the same issue time after time.
Management don't miss frees from 25 yards to be fair. Also highly doubt they tell players to let their man have 10 yards of space at the top of the D to kick points.
Truth in this but sure don't let that get in the way of people having a go at the management
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 01, 2024, 10:03:15 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2024, 08:44:43 AMQuote from: Caitlin on April 01, 2024, 08:42:32 AMArmagh have the players but they don't have the management. The inability to cope under pressure time after time must be frustrating; especially when it's the same issue time after time.
Management don't miss frees from 25 yards to be fair. Also highly doubt they tell players to let their man have 10 yards of space at the top of the D to kick points.
Truth in this but sure don't let that get in the way of people having a go at the management
Management far from blameless too but buck stops with the players for me. Massive improvements needed.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2024, 10:07:52 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 01, 2024, 10:03:15 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2024, 08:44:43 AMQuote from: Caitlin on April 01, 2024, 08:42:32 AMArmagh have the players but they don't have the management. The inability to cope under pressure time after time must be frustrating; especially when it's the same issue time after time.
Management don't miss frees from 25 yards to be fair. Also highly doubt they tell players to let their man have 10 yards of space at the top of the D to kick points.
Truth in this but sure don't let that get in the way of people having a go at the management
Management far from blameless too but buck stops with the players for me. Massive improvements needed.
Don't disagree with you there but some people will use anything to have a go at the management
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 01, 2024, 10:08:36 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2024, 10:07:52 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 01, 2024, 10:03:15 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2024, 08:44:43 AMQuote from: Caitlin on April 01, 2024, 08:42:32 AMArmagh have the players but they don't have the management. The inability to cope under pressure time after time must be frustrating; especially when it's the same issue time after time.
Management don't miss frees from 25 yards to be fair. Also highly doubt they tell players to let their man have 10 yards of space at the top of the D to kick points.
Truth in this but sure don't let that get in the way of people having a go at the management
Management far from blameless too but buck stops with the players for me. Massive improvements needed.
Don't disagree with you there but some people will use anything to have a go at the management
Absolutely. Never see the Armagh forum busier than after a loss.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2024, 10:10:53 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 01, 2024, 10:08:36 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2024, 10:07:52 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 01, 2024, 10:03:15 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2024, 08:44:43 AMQuote from: Caitlin on April 01, 2024, 08:42:32 AMArmagh have the players but they don't have the management. The inability to cope under pressure time after time must be frustrating; especially when it's the same issue time after time.
Management don't miss frees from 25 yards to be fair. Also highly doubt they tell players to let their man have 10 yards of space at the top of the D to kick points.
Truth in this but sure don't let that get in the way of people having a go at the management
Management far from blameless too but buck stops with the players for me. Massive improvements needed.
Don't disagree with you there but some people will use anything to have a go at the management
Absolutely. Never see the Armagh forum busier than after a loss.
We seem to have fans who take a certain amount of glee when we lose
I've defended McGeeney for years, and was in the be careful what you wish for camp but really think he's had his day now. Hoping for the best now but not expecting too much from the rest of the county season.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 31, 2024, 03:30:46 PMLast 10 minutes aside Armagh were pathetic throughout (Grugan aside).
Its only a meaningless league final doesn't carry any weight with me either, do we honestly think we are good enough to try or turn it on when we want? It feeds into a bullshit better than we actually are mentality. Armagh need less cheerleaders blowing hot air up their assess too.
Anyone who thinks that team is going to do anything bar shit the nest when it counts is delusional. A middle ranking team going nowhere.
would agree with you Benny.grugan is an operator but if he is shut down go along way to stopping armagh.full back line is poor and midfield middle of the road also.armagh are a bit like mayo in a sense are better when it's chaotic and go after teams but mcgeeney doesn't seem keen on that from get go.
Looking at Derry v Dublin yesterday I think most of us know our teams are well behind that level.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
Quote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
For sure. Jesus we weren't good yesterday but we're miles ahead of those 3
Quote from: Tones on March 31, 2024, 09:32:57 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2024, 04:29:51 PMPoor from us. Well done Donegal. Armagh are very unlikely to win any title but if we don't play rian from the start we definitely won't win anything.
What would he bring,looks done, brought nothing all season.
he hasn't been available most of season I think midfield might be spot for him crealey isn't great and mackin is a poor enough footballer good athlete think they would complement each other well.
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 01, 2024, 10:08:36 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2024, 10:07:52 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 01, 2024, 10:03:15 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2024, 08:44:43 AMQuote from: Caitlin on April 01, 2024, 08:42:32 AMArmagh have the players but they don't have the management. The inability to cope under pressure time after time must be frustrating; especially when it's the same issue time after time.
Management don't miss frees from 25 yards to be fair. Also highly doubt they tell players to let their man have 10 yards of space at the top of the D to kick points.
Truth in this but sure don't let that get in the way of people having a go at the management
Management far from blameless too but buck stops with the players for me. Massive improvements needed.
Don't disagree with you there but some people will use anything to have a go at the management
McGeeney was instrumental in getting rid of the 2 Brian's as it was precieved they had run their course, the irony 10 years of mediocrity and under achievement he can't see he's the one standing in these lads way now.
Quote from: Mario on April 01, 2024, 08:14:49 AMQuote from: thewobbler on March 31, 2024, 09:39:34 PMWatching the D1 final must have been vexing for Armagh fans.
Derry have closed the gap on Dublin and Kerry, by pressing hard and taking control of momentum where possible.
Armagh, with better forwards than Derry, are getting further away each year, seemingly paralysed by a fear of taking a game by the horns and building up leads.
Surely at this stage we can finally agree that Armagh do not have better forwards than Derry. It was an argument 2 years ago but not now.
Derry are a super outfit.id say grugan starts for Derry rian and possibly murnin who I thought had worst game in Armagh jersey yesterday normally a 7/8 from 10.the back 8 we would struggle to get anyone.
Quote from: Caitlin on April 01, 2024, 08:42:32 AMArmagh have the players but they don't have the management. The inability to cope under pressure time after time must be frustrating; especially when it's the same issue time after time.
Do they really? I thought team selection yesterday wasn't great but I think they max out what have really.
Quote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:39:50 AMQuote from: Caitlin on April 01, 2024, 08:42:32 AMArmagh have the players but they don't have the management. The inability to cope under pressure time after time must be frustrating; especially when it's the same issue time after time.
Do they really? I thought team selection yesterday wasn't great but I think they max out what have really.
Hard to know. We've good depth and competition for places but in terms of top top players we arent there. Rian probably the only man you can say would start for any team in Ireland and hes been off the boil for a while now. Depending on the brother if he can get back to himself he's as good. Grugan a class operator but can be shut down, Soupy, Forker and Murnin all very good but a lot of miles in the legs as well.
Conaty has huge potential but after that we've a load of good lads who put in the shift and I wouldn't say a bad word about any of them but at that top level they aren't up there with the Dubs etc.
Rian would start any team in Ireland, you are an embarrassment, he can't get on to a top 10 team.
Quote from: Tones on April 01, 2024, 11:02:49 AMRian would start any team in Ireland, you are an embarrassment, he can't get on to a top 10 team.
One of those lads who appears after we lose. Sound.
Wasn't at himself last year fair enough but watch him vs Monaghan 2021, best performance I've seen from an Armagh man in manys a day, or any of his games in 2022.
If he's playing at his best he is a class act.
Quote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
If there's one thing more depressing than losing in Croke Park it's the predictable over reactions from Armagh "supporters" to a defeat and the giddiness when we stuff a Division 2 team.
The free takers, Grugan, Turbitt and O'Neill all left scoreable frees behind them. Had they went over it was a completely different narrative today.
Was it Declan Kidney of Munster that used to say don't get too excited about a win and don't over react to a defeat.
Overall, decent league campaign for Armagh. Blooded a corner back and corner forward who will start in the Championship. Plenty of competition for places. Some of the old failings still apparent in terms of closing out games against Division 1 opposition. Also we remain reliant on the older guys.
However, getting promoted quite easily with about 6 guaranteed starters from recent years on the bench for most of the league is a sign of progress.
The mentality to close out games from a winning position is what we're missing and it's leadership on the pitch that is needed in the last few moments.
How come we can never win games when it matters in Croker??? :(
Imagine creating an account just so you can post that
Still bemused what yesterdays team selection and rigid tactics were all about. I'm hoping it was some kind of master plan to conceal our game plan for the championship.
Not bothered in the slightest about not winning the trophy but in the wider scheme of things it was deflating. There must be a lot of disgruntled subs when you looked at the quality we had sitting on the bench and not used until it was last ditch desperation time.
Rian may have had his fitness issues but it's inexplicable how Oisin has seen so little game time in the League while the 3 Cullyhanna players seem to have fallen out of favour since winning the All Ireland.
Very lucky we are in the same side of the draw as the 7-9 ranked teams in Ulster, otherwise I'd be fearful of our Ulster championship prospects. We played right into Donegals hands yesterday in persisting with a short passing running game. As usual we produced a 10 minute burst when the game looked up and then retreated into our shells again when we looked like we might win it.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMQuote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
I'll give you great odds if you want to bet on us not getting to an Ulster final ;).
Not as confident of beating Derry in the final after seeing them yesterday.
We are capable of it
if we turn up though
No pitch to train on and a bug in the camp explains the defeat according to management.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 01, 2024, 11:35:57 AMStill bemused what yesterdays team selection and rigid tactics were all about. I'm hoping it was some kind of master plan to conceal our game plan for the championship.
Not bothered in the slightest about not winning the trophy but in the wider scheme of things it was deflating. There must be a lot of disgruntled subs when you looked at the quality we had sitting on the bench and not used until it was last ditch desperation time.
Rian may have had his fitness issues but it's inexplicable how Oisin has seen so little game time in the League while the 3 Cullyhanna players seem to have fallen out of favour since winning the All Ireland.
Very lucky we are in the same side of the draw as the 7-9 ranked teams in Ulster, otherwise I'd be fearful of our Ulster championship prospects. We played right into Donegals hands yesterday in persisting with a short passing running game. As usual we produced a 10 minute burst when the game looked up and then retreated into our shells again when we looked like we might win it.
3 Cullyhanna lads- in fairness McElroy/Conor O'Neill have been doing that work horse half forward role that Duffy does so well and McElroy especially was excellent the whole league, can't really justify having Duffy ahead of him after coming back. Nugent hasn't looked the same from his injury and again Turbo, Conaty and Murnin inside were good the whole league so can't really complain there. McQuillan is a very good player but hasn't really lived up to it in an Armagh jersey from what I've seen of him albeit limited. I'd have him in that attacking half back role ahead of Jarly Og though. No idea what the thinking was behind playing McMullan in a game like that given he didn't play the whole league.
Would definitely have liked to see more of them off the bench throughout the league though agreed. Surely both O'Neills need to start against Fermanagh.
Quote from: APM on April 01, 2024, 11:10:52 AMIf there's one thing more depressing than losing in Croke Park it's the predictable over reactions from Armagh "supporters" to a defeat and the giddiness when we stuff a Division 2 team.
The free takers, Grugan, Turbitt and O'Neill all left scoreable frees behind them. Had they went over it was a completely different narrative today.
Was it Declan Kidney of Munster that used to say don't get too excited about a win and don't over react to a defeat.
Overall, decent league campaign for Armagh. Blooded a corner back and corner forward who will start in the Championship. Plenty of competition for places. Some of the old failings still apparent in terms of closing out games against Division 1 opposition. Also we remain reliant on the older guys.
However, getting promoted quite easily with about 6 guaranteed starters from recent years on the bench for most of the league is a sign of progress.
The mentality to close out games from a winning position is what we're missing and it's leadership on the pitch that is needed in the last few moments.
Nail on head. Promotion was main goal and we did that with a game to spare. No point lying I'm very disappointed we missed the chance at s trophy but think we can just put yesterday down to an off day and we'll be at ourselves come championship.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 01, 2024, 11:35:57 AMStill bemused what yesterdays team selection and rigid tactics were all about. I'm hoping it was some kind of master plan to conceal our game plan for the championship.
Not bothered in the slightest about not winning the trophy but in the wider scheme of things it was deflating. There must be a lot of disgruntled subs when you looked at the quality we had sitting on the bench and not used until it was last ditch desperation time.
Rian may have had his fitness issues but it's inexplicable how Oisin has seen so little game time in the League while the 3 Cullyhanna players seem to have fallen out of favour since winning the All Ireland.
Very lucky we are in the same side of the draw as the 7-9 ranked teams in Ulster, otherwise I'd be fearful of our Ulster championship prospects. We played right into Donegals hands yesterday in persisting with a short passing running game. As usual we produced a 10 minute burst when the game looked up and then retreated into our shells again when we looked like we might win it.
Not sure what the issue on o O'Neil is. I would rank him as one of the finer players on the panel.
In terms of the 3 cullyhanna lads, the team was settled when they came back, so it would have been hard to slot them straight in. I would say duffy would be the only one of the three that would start anyway.
As mentioned already, a league 2 title is a facile victory. Promotion to the top tier was achieved, a game against good opponents in croke Park was the bonus, and unearthing a few new players all adds to a successful league campaign leading into championship.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2024, 11:37:47 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMQuote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
I'll give you great odds if you want to bet on us not getting to an Ulster final ;).
Not as confident of beating Derry in the final after seeing them yesterday.
We are capable of it if we turn up though
We aren't close to Derry let's be honest
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 01, 2024, 11:48:55 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2024, 11:37:47 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMQuote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
I'll give you great odds if you want to bet on us not getting to an Ulster final ;).
Not as confident of beating Derry in the final after seeing them yesterday.
We are capable of it if we turn up though
We aren't close to Derry let's be honest
Going off yesterday absolutely not and we'll be massive underdogs if we do meet. But are we capable of beating them? I think so but goes without saying it'll take a massive improvement. That performance yesterday would see Derry beat us by at least 10 points.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2024, 11:44:15 AMQuote from: yellowcard on April 01, 2024, 11:35:57 AMStill bemused what yesterdays team selection and rigid tactics were all about. I'm hoping it was some kind of master plan to conceal our game plan for the championship.
Not bothered in the slightest about not winning the trophy but in the wider scheme of things it was deflating. There must be a lot of disgruntled subs when you looked at the quality we had sitting on the bench and not used until it was last ditch desperation time.
Rian may have had his fitness issues but it's inexplicable how Oisin has seen so little game time in the League while the 3 Cullyhanna players seem to have fallen out of favour since winning the All Ireland.
Very lucky we are in the same side of the draw as the 7-9 ranked teams in Ulster, otherwise I'd be fearful of our Ulster championship prospects. We played right into Donegals hands yesterday in persisting with a short passing running game. As usual we produced a 10 minute burst when the game looked up and then retreated into our shells again when we looked like we might win it.
3 Cullyhanna lads- in fairness McElroy/Conor O'Neill have been doing that work horse half forward role that Duffy does so well and McElroy especially was excellent the whole league, can't really justify having Duffy ahead of him after coming back. Nugent hasn't looked the same from his injury and again Turbo, Conaty and Murnin inside were good the whole league so can't really complain there. McQuillan is a very good player but hasn't really lived up to it in an Armagh jersey from what I've seen of him albeit limited. I'd have him in that attacking half back role ahead of Jarly Og though. No idea what the thinking was behind playing McMullan in a game like that given he didn't play the whole league.
Would definitely have liked to see more of them off the bench throughout the league though agreed. Surely both O'Neills need to start against Fermanagh.
I agree McElroy did well during the League and deserved his starting spot yesterday but Duffy is simply a better player based on past performances and can threaten the scoreboard as well as doing the donkey work. I think Duffy deserves to start come championship, he has enough credit built up from previous years.
Above all others, I'm baffled how Oisin O'Neill hasn't got a game at midfield. Mackin and Crealy are 2 very game footballers but are big dogged athletic players who don't offer much in an attacking sense. The solution is obvious by playing one of them with an attacking midfielder.
Nugent is a streaky player but had a great championship campaign with Cullyhanna and looked back to the level of form of a few years ago but now seems to be well down the pecking order.
Don't want to be too harsh with management because they are watching them every night in training and in McGrane and Conaty they have unearthed 2 very good additions during the League. However you still need to be able to have players capable of performing under pressure on the big day and you won't learn that in training matches.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 01, 2024, 11:59:29 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2024, 11:44:15 AMQuote from: yellowcard on April 01, 2024, 11:35:57 AMStill bemused what yesterdays team selection and rigid tactics were all about. I'm hoping it was some kind of master plan to conceal our game plan for the championship.
Not bothered in the slightest about not winning the trophy but in the wider scheme of things it was deflating. There must be a lot of disgruntled subs when you looked at the quality we had sitting on the bench and not used until it was last ditch desperation time.
Rian may have had his fitness issues but it's inexplicable how Oisin has seen so little game time in the League while the 3 Cullyhanna players seem to have fallen out of favour since winning the All Ireland.
Very lucky we are in the same side of the draw as the 7-9 ranked teams in Ulster, otherwise I'd be fearful of our Ulster championship prospects. We played right into Donegals hands yesterday in persisting with a short passing running game. As usual we produced a 10 minute burst when the game looked up and then retreated into our shells again when we looked like we might win it.
3 Cullyhanna lads- in fairness McElroy/Conor O'Neill have been doing that work horse half forward role that Duffy does so well and McElroy especially was excellent the whole league, can't really justify having Duffy ahead of him after coming back. Nugent hasn't looked the same from his injury and again Turbo, Conaty and Murnin inside were good the whole league so can't really complain there. McQuillan is a very good player but hasn't really lived up to it in an Armagh jersey from what I've seen of him albeit limited. I'd have him in that attacking half back role ahead of Jarly Og though. No idea what the thinking was behind playing McMullan in a game like that given he didn't play the whole league.
Would definitely have liked to see more of them off the bench throughout the league though agreed. Surely both O'Neills need to start against Fermanagh.
I agree McElroy did well during the League and deserved his starting spot yesterday but Duffy is simply a better player based on past performances and can threaten the scoreboard as well as doing the donkey work. I think Duffy deserves to start come championship, he has enough credit built up from previous years.
Above all others, I'm baffled how Oisin O'Neill hasn't got a game at midfield. Mackin and Crealy are 2 very game footballers but are big dogged athletic players who don't offer much in an attacking sense. The solution is obvious by playing one of them with an attacking midfielder.
Nugent is a streaky player but had a great championship campaign with Cullyhanna and looked back to the level of form of a few years ago but now seems to be well down the pecking order.
Don't want to be too harsh with management because they are watching them every night in training and in McGrane and Conaty they have unearthed 2 very good additions during the League. However you still need to be able to have players capable of performing under pressure on the big day and you won't learn that in training matches.
Duffy maybe will be back in come championship who knows. Agree on Oisin O'Neill would have had him playing a lot more, not sure he has the legs for midfield compared to other top midfielders. His minutes are definitely being managed after missing so much football which is understandable but he is a starter for me. McGrane and Conaty 2 huge positives from the league for sure.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 01, 2024, 11:59:29 AMDon't want to be too harsh with management because they are watching them every night in training and in McGrane and Conaty they have unearthed 2 very good additions during the League. However you still need to be able to have players capable of performing under pressure on the big day and you won't learn that in training matches.
You won't learn that playing the current Cavan or Kildare teams either. The games against Cork and Donegal were informative, in an somewhat unpleasant way, as to what happens when playing a last 12 team.
In relation to Oisin O'Neill, perhaps the medical advice is not to play a full game at this stage, if that approach means that he can play a full game in another 6 weeks then that's OK.
Duffy put in a few good shifts last year, and gets up and down the field in addition to taking the odd score, I would consider him a contender for a place.
I think Duffy will start come championship.
Maybe he's the new Niall Grimley 69th minute impact sub!
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2024, 11:05:40 AMQuote from: Tones on April 01, 2024, 11:02:49 AMRian would start any team in Ireland, you are an embarrassment, he can't get on to a top 10 team.
One of those lads who appears after we lose. Sound.
Wasn't at himself last year fair enough but watch him vs Monaghan 2021, best performance I've seen from an Armagh man in manys a day, or any of his games in 2022. If he's playing at his best he is a class act.
Your posts are an embarrassment.
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 01, 2024, 11:29:24 AMImagine creating an account just so you can post that
As opposed to creating an account to post your amazing views and opinions.
We have some embarrassing'fans'
Dont understand Armagh. They played some brilliant football all year in the league apart from the first game and then its like the management have seen theyve been playing attacking football and decided to pull the handbrake. Either that or the players are at fault. Serious questions need to be answered either way
Quote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMQuote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
Not saying you are one of them, but Armagh fans have unrealistic expectations for this crop of players. The team is in a better place than it was but there's still a way to go to get to Derry's level. Is McGeeney the man, I'm not sure but I don't think there is a queue for the job. Rian O'Neill I understand has had issues outside of the game and is being eased back in. Talking of unrealistic expectations though the fans have placed too much on his shoulders and indeed Oisin's before him. Maybe just let them play football they both are class acts on their day. It was strange I'd say that the best club team in the county didn't have one starter.
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2024, 10:16:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMQuote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
Not saying you are one of them, but Armagh fans have unrealistic expectations for this crop of players. The team is in a better place than it was but there's still a way to go to get to Derry's level. Is McGeeney the man, I'm not sure but I don't think there is a queue for the job. Rian O'Neill I understand has had issues outside of the game and is being eased back in. Talking of unrealistic expectations though the fans have placed too much on his shoulders and indeed Oisin's before him. Maybe just let them play football they both are class acts on their day. It was strange I'd say that the best club team in the county didn't have one starter.
Very strange. I really thought Oisin would have gotten far more minutes during this league campaign considering he was the performing so well at the end of last year. Is Callum Comisky injured?
From our club, Shane McParland seems to have really fallen out of favour from where he was during the summer last year to repeatedly not making a match day squad now. Top scorer in Armagh championship last year.
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2024, 10:16:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMQuote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
Not saying you are one of them, but Armagh fans have unrealistic expectations for this crop of players. The team is in a better place than it was but there's still a way to go to get to Derry's level. Is McGeeney the man, I'm not sure but I don't think there is a queue for the job. Rian O'Neill I understand has had issues outside of the game and is being eased back in. Talking of unrealistic expectations though the fans have placed too much on his shoulders and indeed Oisin's before him. Maybe just let them play football they both are class acts on their day. It was strange I'd say that the best club team in the county didn't have one starter.
this is it in a nutshell. Our fans think we are a top 4/5 team when in reality we are far from it
Talent is there or thereabouts in comparison to any of the top teams , tactical awareness and balls to go for it aren't. The Monaghan game last year still breaks my heart thinking about it, it was cowardly. I haven't had the same interest this year and I'd put it down to that game.
Quote from: APM on April 01, 2024, 11:10:52 AMIf there's one thing more depressing than losing in Croke Park it's the predictable over reactions from Armagh "supporters" to a defeat and the giddiness when we stuff a Division 2 team.
The free takers, Grugan, Turbitt and O'Neill all left scoreable frees behind them. Had they went over it was a completely different narrative today.
Was it Declan Kidney of Munster that used to say don't get too excited about a win and don't over react to a defeat.
Overall, decent league campaign for Armagh. Blooded a corner back and corner forward who will start in the Championship. Plenty of competition for places. Some of the old failings still apparent in terms of closing out games against Division 1 opposition. Also we remain reliant on the older guys.
However, getting promoted quite easily with about 6 guaranteed starters from recent years on the bench for most of the league is a sign of progress.
The mentality to close out games from a winning position is what we're missing and it's leadership on the pitch that is needed in the last few moments.
Exactly. To close out tight games, players need to show for the ball,
win it and make the right decision in those last 3 or 4 minutes. That hasn't been the case for us.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 04, 2024, 11:58:26 AMTalent is there or thereabouts in comparison to any of the top teams , tactical awareness and balls to go for it aren't. The Monaghan game last year still breaks my heart thinking about it, it was cowardly. I haven't had the same interest this year and I'd put it down to that game.
The Monaghan game was infuriating because it panned out the same way as the Ulster final so we knew the script but we not able to change it.That lack of learning and know-how is annoying.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 04, 2024, 11:58:26 AMTalent is there or thereabouts in comparison to any of the top teams , tactical awareness and balls to go for it aren't. The Monaghan game last year still breaks my heart thinking about it, it was cowardly. I haven't had the same interest this year and I'd put it down to that game.
is the talent really there or thereabouts in comparison to say Dublin or Derry?
Is there something to be said for both teams holding their cards close to their chest for the Championship and playing fairly shite on purpose??!!
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 11:19:19 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2024, 10:16:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMQuote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
Not saying you are one of them, but Armagh fans have unrealistic expectations for this crop of players. The team is in a better place than it was but there's still a way to go to get to Derry's level. Is McGeeney the man, I'm not sure but I don't think there is a queue for the job. Rian O'Neill I understand has had issues outside of the game and is being eased back in. Talking of unrealistic expectations though the fans have placed too much on his shoulders and indeed Oisin's before him. Maybe just let them play football they both are class acts on their day. It was strange I'd say that the best club team in the county didn't have one starter.
this is it in a nutshell. Our fans think we are a top 4/5 team when in reality we are far from it
Disagree there. Derry and Dublin obviously ahead of us at the minute, Kerry too or you'd imagine they will be anyway come championship but after that it's hard to say Mayo/Tyrone/Galway/Donegal etc are miles ahead of us and any game would be 50/50.
All we've seen so far is league football and expect every team to improve ourselves included.
That Monaghan game last year was disgraceful, brought no intensity and totally sat off them, played into their hands, similar to Donegal the other day.
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 12:21:57 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 04, 2024, 11:58:26 AMTalent is there or thereabouts in comparison to any of the top teams , tactical awareness and balls to go for it aren't. The Monaghan game last year still breaks my heart thinking about it, it was cowardly. I haven't had the same interest this year and I'd put it down to that game.
is the talent really there or thereabouts in comparison to say Dublin or Derry?
Hard to say. We've a panel of 30+ really solid players and good lads who put the shift in. In terms of top top talent we've the 2 O'Neills (neither are fully fit yet) plus the older guard of Murnin, Forker, Grugan and Soupy who all have that something extra about them. Conaty is showing very well so far this year as well.
The likes of Turbo, TK, Cian McConville and McQuillan have bags of talent and are all good players but haven't made that big break through yet. I'd say we are behind Dublin and Derry in that regard when you look at the likes of McEvoy the other day they have lads all over the field who can get scores and McGuigan and Glass who are unbelievably good.
Quote from: screenexile on April 04, 2024, 12:42:59 PMIs there something to be said for both teams holding their cards close to their chest for the Championship and playing fairly shite on purpose??!!
I don't see what is to be gained from that. From an outside perspective looking in Armagh should have been all out to win the Division 2 final on Sunday, especially given the side of the draw they are on in Ulster. Yes, it may only have been the "owl" league but IMO Armagh needs to start winning something to help kickstart that bit of belief and get into winning habits. If that starts with the Div 2 final then why not start there?
Also look at the deflation here from people who would have been quite positive before this. League finals have definitely drained some teams. I would say down would be a bit deflated after that one too and probably Leitrim who took a bit of a beating. League finals are good but they can be a bit of a rude awakener.
Quote from: screenexile on April 04, 2024, 12:42:59 PMIs there something to be said for both teams holding their cards close to their chest for the Championship and playing fairly shite on purpose??!!
I think there's an element of that with Armagh. I refuse to believe we've been fielding our strongest team available in the league.
Quote from: general_lee on April 04, 2024, 01:25:11 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 04, 2024, 12:42:59 PMIs there something to be said for both teams holding their cards close to their chest for the Championship and playing fairly shite on purpose??!!
I think there's an element of that with Armagh. I refuse to believe we've been fielding our strongest team available in the league.
Would Armagh fans be shocked if in 2 weeks time, we seen 2x ONeills, Kelly, Grimley, Duffy and Nugent start?
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on April 04, 2024, 01:07:42 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 04, 2024, 12:42:59 PMIs there something to be said for both teams holding their cards close to their chest for the Championship and playing fairly shite on purpose??!!
I don't see what is to be gained from that. From an outside perspective looking in Armagh should have been all out to win the Division 2 final on Sunday, especially given the side of the draw they are on in Ulster. Yes, it may only have been the "owl" league but IMO Armagh needs to start winning something to help kickstart that bit of belief and get into winning habits. If that starts with the Div 2 final then why not start there?
we should have been going all out for a win
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 11:19:19 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2024, 10:16:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMQuote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
Not saying you are one of them, but Armagh fans have unrealistic expectations for this crop of players. The team is in a better place than it was but there's still a way to go to get to Derry's level. Is McGeeney the man, I'm not sure but I don't think there is a queue for the job. Rian O'Neill I understand has had issues outside of the game and is being eased back in. Talking of unrealistic expectations though the fans have placed too much on his shoulders and indeed Oisin's before him. Maybe just let them play football they both are class acts on their day. It was strange I'd say that the best club team in the county didn't have one starter.
this is it in a nutshell. Our fans think we are a top 4/5 team when in reality we are far from it
How exactly are we far from a top 4/5 team. We've proven against Galway and Derry in the last 2 seasons that we are on a par with those 2 sides. Arguably should have beaten Derry last season and beat Galway in the group game. Last Sunday was undoubtedly a blow and would make you reevaluate whether we have learned anything from other recent close defeats. I think we are outside the top 3 at the minute but that can easily change on the basis of one result. Our season will be defined by the Ulster championship this year as I don't think many are realistically expecting us to win the All Ireland.
In my view it would be nice to see us just throw off the shackles and give it a go. Irrespective of whether we actually win anything if we can produce football like the 2022 back door campaign I'd be more than satisfied with that. Plus it actually suits our best players to take this approach anyway as the reality is that we've been losing tight games playing the cautious, cagey stuff anyway.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2024, 01:34:49 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 11:19:19 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2024, 10:16:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMQuote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
Not saying you are one of them, but Armagh fans have unrealistic expectations for this crop of players. The team is in a better place than it was but there's still a way to go to get to Derry's level. Is McGeeney the man, I'm not sure but I don't think there is a queue for the job. Rian O'Neill I understand has had issues outside of the game and is being eased back in. Talking of unrealistic expectations though the fans have placed too much on his shoulders and indeed Oisin's before him. Maybe just let them play football they both are class acts on their day. It was strange I'd say that the best club team in the county didn't have one starter.
this is it in a nutshell. Our fans think we are a top 4/5 team when in reality we are far from it
How exactly are we far from a top 4/5 team. We've proven against Galway and Derry in the last 2 seasons that we are on a par with those 2 sides. Arguably should have beaten Derry last season and beat Galway in the group game. Last Sunday was undoubtedly a blow and would make you reevaluate whether we have learned anything from other recent close defeats. I think we are outside the top 3 at the minute but that can easily change on the basis of one result. Our season will be defined by the Ulster championship this year as I don't think many are realistically expecting us to win the All Ireland.
In my view it would be nice to see us just throw off the shackles and give it a go. Irrespective of whether we actually win anything if we can produce football like the 2022 back door campaign I'd be more than satisfied with that. Plus it actually suits our best players to take this approach anyway as the reality is that we've been losing tight games playing the cautious, cagey stuff anyway.
your laast paragragh sums it up. If we played to our capabilites and threw off the shackles then we could reach the AISF. As it is, despite recent QF results we arent close. We dont play good football. We cannot close out games or win big games at CP. We dont have a midfield and we lack that real top quality forward who can guarantee you at least 5/6 points in the big big games a la Clifford or McGuigan
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 01:39:37 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2024, 01:34:49 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 11:19:19 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2024, 10:16:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMQuote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
Not saying you are one of them, but Armagh fans have unrealistic expectations for this crop of players. The team is in a better place than it was but there's still a way to go to get to Derry's level. Is McGeeney the man, I'm not sure but I don't think there is a queue for the job. Rian O'Neill I understand has had issues outside of the game and is being eased back in. Talking of unrealistic expectations though the fans have placed too much on his shoulders and indeed Oisin's before him. Maybe just let them play football they both are class acts on their day. It was strange I'd say that the best club team in the county didn't have one starter.
this is it in a nutshell. Our fans think we are a top 4/5 team when in reality we are far from it
How exactly are we far from a top 4/5 team. We've proven against Galway and Derry in the last 2 seasons that we are on a par with those 2 sides. Arguably should have beaten Derry last season and beat Galway in the group game. Last Sunday was undoubtedly a blow and would make you reevaluate whether we have learned anything from other recent close defeats. I think we are outside the top 3 at the minute but that can easily change on the basis of one result. Our season will be defined by the Ulster championship this year as I don't think many are realistically expecting us to win the All Ireland.
In my view it would be nice to see us just throw off the shackles and give it a go. Irrespective of whether we actually win anything if we can produce football like the 2022 back door campaign I'd be more than satisfied with that. Plus it actually suits our best players to take this approach anyway as the reality is that we've been losing tight games playing the cautious, cagey stuff anyway.
your laast paragragh sums it up. If we played to our capabilites and threw off the shackles then we could reach the AISF. As it is, despite recent QF results we arent close. We dont play good football. We cannot close out games or win big games at CP. We dont have a midfield and we lack that real top quality forward who can guarantee you at least 5/6 points in the big big games a la Clifford or McGuigan
I couldn't argue with any of that but if we opened up and kicked the ball inside more regularly to 2 inside forwards I think we would be closer. And if not then at least we would have something to get behind. We have enough good kickers of the ball to play this style and make us less predictable.
Clifford is a generational player so we don't need to have one of those as long as we have enough other good forwards which I firmly believe that we do. The obsession with risk free football and making every game an arm wrestle might help make us competitive but it won't actually help us win anything.
Quote from: lurganblue on April 04, 2024, 11:07:25 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2024, 10:16:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMQuote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
Not saying you are one of them, but Armagh fans have unrealistic expectations for this crop of players. The team is in a better place than it was but there's still a way to go to get to Derry's level. Is McGeeney the man, I'm not sure but I don't think there is a queue for the job. Rian O'Neill I understand has had issues outside of the game and is being eased back in. Talking of unrealistic expectations though the fans have placed too much on his shoulders and indeed Oisin's before him. Maybe just let them play football they both are class acts on their day. It was strange I'd say that the best club team in the county didn't have one starter.
Very strange. I really thought Oisin would have gotten far more minutes during this league campaign considering he was the performing so well at the end of last year. Is Callum Comisky injured?
From our club, Shane McParland seems to have really fallen out of favour from where he was during the summer last year to repeatedly not making a match day squad now. Top scorer in Armagh championship last year.
The McPartlan one is a mystery especially given that this is Armagh's weakest area in my opinion.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2024, 01:53:59 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 01:39:37 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2024, 01:34:49 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 11:19:19 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2024, 10:16:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMQuote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
Not saying you are one of them, but Armagh fans have unrealistic expectations for this crop of players. The team is in a better place than it was but there's still a way to go to get to Derry's level. Is McGeeney the man, I'm not sure but I don't think there is a queue for the job. Rian O'Neill I understand has had issues outside of the game and is being eased back in. Talking of unrealistic expectations though the fans have placed too much on his shoulders and indeed Oisin's before him. Maybe just let them play football they both are class acts on their day. It was strange I'd say that the best club team in the county didn't have one starter.
this is it in a nutshell. Our fans think we are a top 4/5 team when in reality we are far from it
How exactly are we far from a top 4/5 team. We've proven against Galway and Derry in the last 2 seasons that we are on a par with those 2 sides. Arguably should have beaten Derry last season and beat Galway in the group game. Last Sunday was undoubtedly a blow and would make you reevaluate whether we have learned anything from other recent close defeats. I think we are outside the top 3 at the minute but that can easily change on the basis of one result. Our season will be defined by the Ulster championship this year as I don't think many are realistically expecting us to win the All Ireland.
In my view it would be nice to see us just throw off the shackles and give it a go. Irrespective of whether we actually win anything if we can produce football like the 2022 back door campaign I'd be more than satisfied with that. Plus it actually suits our best players to take this approach anyway as the reality is that we've been losing tight games playing the cautious, cagey stuff anyway.
your laast paragragh sums it up. If we played to our capabilites and threw off the shackles then we could reach the AISF. As it is, despite recent QF results we arent close. We dont play good football. We cannot close out games or win big games at CP. We dont have a midfield and we lack that real top quality forward who can guarantee you at least 5/6 points in the big big games a la Clifford or McGuigan
I couldn't argue with any of that but if we opened up and kicked the ball inside more regularly to 2 inside forwards I think we would be closer. And if not then at least we would have something to get behind. We have enough good kickers of the ball to play this style and make us less predictable.
Clifford is a generational player so we don't need to have one of those as long as we have enough other good forwards which I firmly believe that we do. The obsession with risk free football and making every game an arm wrestle might help make us competitive but it won't actually help us win anything.
for me Rian ONeill is a problem. First up, we wont win anything without him playing but the question is where does he play best??? He could be our forward to score 6/7/8 a game but you lose what he can bring out the field. Turbo is decent but in big games he doesnt have it. Or at least he hasnt shown it yet anyway
Quote from: bennydorano on April 04, 2024, 11:58:26 AMTalent is there or thereabouts in comparison to any of the top teams , tactical awareness and balls to go for it aren't. The Monaghan game last year still breaks my heart thinking about it, it was cowardly. I haven't had the same interest this year and I'd put it down to that game.
I would be in a similar boat, went to the Meath game was decent. The Derry game also when ahead last year retreated into shell and subsequently lost. To me Armagh at best when the game is a bit frantic, bit like Mayo to an extent. Once they had the momentum in game Sunday, retreated back into shell. I remember a few years ago they pushed up on a kickout vs tipp in league and got hit with sucker punch goal that prevented promotion from division three looks like still Geezer still haunted by this.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2024, 01:34:49 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 11:19:19 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2024, 10:16:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMQuote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
Not saying you are one of them, but Armagh fans have unrealistic expectations for this crop of players. The team is in a better place than it was but there's still a way to go to get to Derry's level. Is McGeeney the man, I'm not sure but I don't think there is a queue for the job. Rian O'Neill I understand has had issues outside of the game and is being eased back in. Talking of unrealistic expectations though the fans have placed too much on his shoulders and indeed Oisin's before him. Maybe just let them play football they both are class acts on their day. It was strange I'd say that the best club team in the county didn't have one starter.
this is it in a nutshell. Our fans think we are a top 4/5 team when in reality we are far from it
How exactly are we far from a top 4/5 team. We've proven against Galway and Derry in the last 2 seasons that we are on a par with those 2 sides. Arguably should have beaten Derry last season and beat Galway in the group game. Last Sunday was undoubtedly a blow and would make you reevaluate whether we have learned anything from other recent close defeats. I think we are outside the top 3 at the minute but that can easily change on the basis of one result. Our season will be defined by the Ulster championship this year as I don't think many are realistically expecting us to win the All Ireland.
In my view it would be nice to see us just throw off the shackles and give it a go. Irrespective of whether we actually win anything if we can produce football like the 2022 back door campaign I'd be more than satisfied with that. Plus it actually suits our best players to take this approach anyway as the reality is that we've been losing tight games playing the cautious, cagey stuff anyway.
+1.
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 02:03:55 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2024, 01:53:59 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 01:39:37 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2024, 01:34:49 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 11:19:19 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2024, 10:16:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMQuote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
Not saying you are one of them, but Armagh fans have unrealistic expectations for this crop of players. The team is in a better place than it was but there's still a way to go to get to Derry's level. Is McGeeney the man, I'm not sure but I don't think there is a queue for the job. Rian O'Neill I understand has had issues outside of the game and is being eased back in. Talking of unrealistic expectations though the fans have placed too much on his shoulders and indeed Oisin's before him. Maybe just let them play football they both are class acts on their day. It was strange I'd say that the best club team in the county didn't have one starter.
this is it in a nutshell. Our fans think we are a top 4/5 team when in reality we are far from it
How exactly are we far from a top 4/5 team. We've proven against Galway and Derry in the last 2 seasons that we are on a par with those 2 sides. Arguably should have beaten Derry last season and beat Galway in the group game. Last Sunday was undoubtedly a blow and would make you reevaluate whether we have learned anything from other recent close defeats. I think we are outside the top 3 at the minute but that can easily change on the basis of one result. Our season will be defined by the Ulster championship this year as I don't think many are realistically expecting us to win the All Ireland.
In my view it would be nice to see us just throw off the shackles and give it a go. Irrespective of whether we actually win anything if we can produce football like the 2022 back door campaign I'd be more than satisfied with that. Plus it actually suits our best players to take this approach anyway as the reality is that we've been losing tight games playing the cautious, cagey stuff anyway.
your laast paragragh sums it up. If we played to our capabilites and threw off the shackles then we could reach the AISF. As it is, despite recent QF results we arent close. We dont play good football. We cannot close out games or win big games at CP. We dont have a midfield and we lack that real top quality forward who can guarantee you at least 5/6 points in the big big games a la Clifford or McGuigan
I couldn't argue with any of that but if we opened up and kicked the ball inside more regularly to 2 inside forwards I think we would be closer. And if not then at least we would have something to get behind. We have enough good kickers of the ball to play this style and make us less predictable.
Clifford is a generational player so we don't need to have one of those as long as we have enough other good forwards which I firmly believe that we do. The obsession with risk free football and making every game an arm wrestle might help make us competitive but it won't actually help us win anything.
for me Rian ONeill is a problem. First up, we wont win anything without him playing but the question is where does he play best??? He could be our forward to score 6/7/8 a game but you lose what he can bring out the field. Turbo is decent but in big games he doesnt have it. Or at least he hasnt shown it yet anyway
Wouldn't quite word it like that! I'm sure he's a problem plenty of managers would like.
Get what you're saying though, it is hard to know where to play him. If he's going to be inside he needs to be sickened with ball or its a waste. Think having the brother back will be massive as he's an option inside or can do a lot of what Rian does out the field as well in terms of winning kick outs, taking longe range scores and playing passes inside.
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 02:03:55 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2024, 01:53:59 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 01:39:37 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2024, 01:34:49 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 11:19:19 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2024, 10:16:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMQuote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
Not saying you are one of them, but Armagh fans have unrealistic expectations for this crop of players. The team is in a better place than it was but there's still a way to go to get to Derry's level. Is McGeeney the man, I'm not sure but I don't think there is a queue for the job. Rian O'Neill I understand has had issues outside of the game and is being eased back in. Talking of unrealistic expectations though the fans have placed too much on his shoulders and indeed Oisin's before him. Maybe just let them play football they both are class acts on their day. It was strange I'd say that the best club team in the county didn't have one starter.
this is it in a nutshell. Our fans think we are a top 4/5 team when in reality we are far from it
How exactly are we far from a top 4/5 team. We've proven against Galway and Derry in the last 2 seasons that we are on a par with those 2 sides. Arguably should have beaten Derry last season and beat Galway in the group game. Last Sunday was undoubtedly a blow and would make you reevaluate whether we have learned anything from other recent close defeats. I think we are outside the top 3 at the minute but that can easily change on the basis of one result. Our season will be defined by the Ulster championship this year as I don't think many are realistically expecting us to win the All Ireland.
In my view it would be nice to see us just throw off the shackles and give it a go. Irrespective of whether we actually win anything if we can produce football like the 2022 back door campaign I'd be more than satisfied with that. Plus it actually suits our best players to take this approach anyway as the reality is that we've been losing tight games playing the cautious, cagey stuff anyway.
your laast paragragh sums it up. If we played to our capabilites and threw off the shackles then we could reach the AISF. As it is, despite recent QF results we arent close. We dont play good football. We cannot close out games or win big games at CP. We dont have a midfield and we lack that real top quality forward who can guarantee you at least 5/6 points in the big big games a la Clifford or McGuigan
I couldn't argue with any of that but if we opened up and kicked the ball inside more regularly to 2 inside forwards I think we would be closer. And if not then at least we would have something to get behind. We have enough good kickers of the ball to play this style and make us less predictable.
Clifford is a generational player so we don't need to have one of those as long as we have enough other good forwards which I firmly believe that we do. The obsession with risk free football and making every game an arm wrestle might help make us competitive but it won't actually help us win anything.
for me Rian ONeill is a problem. First up, we wont win anything without him playing but the question is where does he play best??? He could be our forward to score 6/7/8 a game but you lose what he can bring out the field. Turbo is decent but in big games he doesnt have it. Or at least he hasnt shown it yet anyway
I personally think Armagh don't have enough scoring threat, even though there seems to be a belief that they have great forwards.
Rian ONeill has the potential to be that marquee forward, but he's a confidence player and focuses too much on the physical side of the game rather than the football side. In saying all of that, for me he could be best suited to a half forward type role and given the freedom of the park. Winning ball, running at defences, taking long range frees and scores. But the temperament needs to be right.
The tell tale sign on the true level of this Armagh side is the Ulster Final last year imo. Derry were a bit of a shambles, didn't play well, had the worst possible week leading up to an Ulster final and Armagh still couldn't beat us. Derry won that game on penalties, but it should never have got to that stage. Derry still had the mental strength to keep it together for penalties even given everything that had gone on....it really was set up for Armagh and they couldn't take advantage.
So say what you want about McGeeney, but that comes down to the quality of the players in my view.
I have a feeling that when ever McGeeney does go, Armagh might only then realise that he over-achieved with the players available. But all of that is and outside view in, so I could well be wrong.
I think Armagh are a top 8/10 side - just teetering on that line between Div 1/2. Could give anyone a game, but ultimately dont have enough to seriously challenge Dublin/Kerry and hopefully Derry.
They are in that Tyrone/Monaghan/Mayo/Roscommon bracket of teams imo.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 04, 2024, 02:32:19 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 02:03:55 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2024, 01:53:59 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 01:39:37 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2024, 01:34:49 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 11:19:19 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2024, 10:16:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMQuote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
Not saying you are one of them, but Armagh fans have unrealistic expectations for this crop of players. The team is in a better place than it was but there's still a way to go to get to Derry's level. Is McGeeney the man, I'm not sure but I don't think there is a queue for the job. Rian O'Neill I understand has had issues outside of the game and is being eased back in. Talking of unrealistic expectations though the fans have placed too much on his shoulders and indeed Oisin's before him. Maybe just let them play football they both are class acts on their day. It was strange I'd say that the best club team in the county didn't have one starter.
this is it in a nutshell. Our fans think we are a top 4/5 team when in reality we are far from it
How exactly are we far from a top 4/5 team. We've proven against Galway and Derry in the last 2 seasons that we are on a par with those 2 sides. Arguably should have beaten Derry last season and beat Galway in the group game. Last Sunday was undoubtedly a blow and would make you reevaluate whether we have learned anything from other recent close defeats. I think we are outside the top 3 at the minute but that can easily change on the basis of one result. Our season will be defined by the Ulster championship this year as I don't think many are realistically expecting us to win the All Ireland.
In my view it would be nice to see us just throw off the shackles and give it a go. Irrespective of whether we actually win anything if we can produce football like the 2022 back door campaign I'd be more than satisfied with that. Plus it actually suits our best players to take this approach anyway as the reality is that we've been losing tight games playing the cautious, cagey stuff anyway.
your laast paragragh sums it up. If we played to our capabilites and threw off the shackles then we could reach the AISF. As it is, despite recent QF results we arent close. We dont play good football. We cannot close out games or win big games at CP. We dont have a midfield and we lack that real top quality forward who can guarantee you at least 5/6 points in the big big games a la Clifford or McGuigan
I couldn't argue with any of that but if we opened up and kicked the ball inside more regularly to 2 inside forwards I think we would be closer. And if not then at least we would have something to get behind. We have enough good kickers of the ball to play this style and make us less predictable.
Clifford is a generational player so we don't need to have one of those as long as we have enough other good forwards which I firmly believe that we do. The obsession with risk free football and making every game an arm wrestle might help make us competitive but it won't actually help us win anything.
for me Rian ONeill is a problem. First up, we wont win anything without him playing but the question is where does he play best??? He could be our forward to score 6/7/8 a game but you lose what he can bring out the field. Turbo is decent but in big games he doesnt have it. Or at least he hasnt shown it yet anyway
I personally think Armagh don't have enough scoring threat, even though there seems to be a belief that they have great forwards.
Rian ONeill has the potential to be that marquee forward, but he's a confidence player and focuses too much on the physical side of the game rather than the football side. In saying all of that, for me he could be best suited to a half forward type role and given the freedom of the park. Winning ball, running at defences, taking long range frees and scores. But the temperament needs to be right.
The tell tale sign on the true level of this Armagh side is the Ulster Final last year imo. Derry were a bit of a shambles, didn't play well, had the worst possible week leading up to an Ulster final and Armagh still couldn't beat us. Derry won that game on penalties, but it should never have got to that stage. Derry still had the mental strength to keep it together for penalties even given everything that had gone on....it really was set up for Armagh and they couldn't take advantage.
So say what you want about McGeeney, but that comes down to the quality of the players in my view.
I have a feeling that when ever McGeeney does go, Armagh might only then realise that he over-achieved with the players available. But all of that is and outside view in, so I could well be wrong.
I think Armagh are a top 8/10 side - just teetering on that line between Div 1/2. Could give anyone a game, but ultimately dont have enough to seriously challenge Dublin/Kerry and hopefully Derry.
They are in that Tyrone/Monaghan/Mayo/Roscommon bracket of teams imo.
Couldn't argue with that.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 04, 2024, 02:32:19 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 02:03:55 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2024, 01:53:59 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 01:39:37 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2024, 01:34:49 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 11:19:19 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2024, 10:16:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMQuote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
Not saying you are one of them, but Armagh fans have unrealistic expectations for this crop of players. The team is in a better place than it was but there's still a way to go to get to Derry's level. Is McGeeney the man, I'm not sure but I don't think there is a queue for the job. Rian O'Neill I understand has had issues outside of the game and is being eased back in. Talking of unrealistic expectations though the fans have placed too much on his shoulders and indeed Oisin's before him. Maybe just let them play football they both are class acts on their day. It was strange I'd say that the best club team in the county didn't have one starter.
this is it in a nutshell. Our fans think we are a top 4/5 team when in reality we are far from it
How exactly are we far from a top 4/5 team. We've proven against Galway and Derry in the last 2 seasons that we are on a par with those 2 sides. Arguably should have beaten Derry last season and beat Galway in the group game. Last Sunday was undoubtedly a blow and would make you reevaluate whether we have learned anything from other recent close defeats. I think we are outside the top 3 at the minute but that can easily change on the basis of one result. Our season will be defined by the Ulster championship this year as I don't think many are realistically expecting us to win the All Ireland.
In my view it would be nice to see us just throw off the shackles and give it a go. Irrespective of whether we actually win anything if we can produce football like the 2022 back door campaign I'd be more than satisfied with that. Plus it actually suits our best players to take this approach anyway as the reality is that we've been losing tight games playing the cautious, cagey stuff anyway.
your laast paragragh sums it up. If we played to our capabilites and threw off the shackles then we could reach the AISF. As it is, despite recent QF results we arent close. We dont play good football. We cannot close out games or win big games at CP. We dont have a midfield and we lack that real top quality forward who can guarantee you at least 5/6 points in the big big games a la Clifford or McGuigan
I couldn't argue with any of that but if we opened up and kicked the ball inside more regularly to 2 inside forwards I think we would be closer. And if not then at least we would have something to get behind. We have enough good kickers of the ball to play this style and make us less predictable.
Clifford is a generational player so we don't need to have one of those as long as we have enough other good forwards which I firmly believe that we do. The obsession with risk free football and making every game an arm wrestle might help make us competitive but it won't actually help us win anything.
for me Rian ONeill is a problem. First up, we wont win anything without him playing but the question is where does he play best??? He could be our forward to score 6/7/8 a game but you lose what he can bring out the field. Turbo is decent but in big games he doesnt have it. Or at least he hasnt shown it yet anyway
I personally think Armagh don't have enough scoring threat, even though there seems to be a belief that they have great forwards.
Rian ONeill has the potential to be that marquee forward, but he's a confidence player and focuses too much on the physical side of the game rather than the football side. In saying all of that, for me he could be best suited to a half forward type role and given the freedom of the park. Winning ball, running at defences, taking long range frees and scores. But the temperament needs to be right.
The tell tale sign on the true level of this Armagh side is the Ulster Final last year imo. Derry were a bit of a shambles, didn't play well, had the worst possible week leading up to an Ulster final and Armagh still couldn't beat us. Derry won that game on penalties, but it should never have got to that stage. Derry still had the mental strength to keep it together for penalties even given everything that had gone on....it really was set up for Armagh and they couldn't take advantage.
So say what you want about McGeeney, but that comes down to the quality of the players in my view.
I have a feeling that when ever McGeeney does go, Armagh might only then realise that he over-achieved with the players available. But all of that is and outside view in, so I could well be wrong.
I think Armagh are a top 8/10 side - just teetering on that line between Div 1/2. Could give anyone a game, but ultimately dont have enough to seriously challenge Dublin/Kerry and hopefully Derry.
They are in that Tyrone/Monaghan/Mayo/Roscommon bracket of teams imo.
Hard to disagree in all that you said. Hopefully rian has his head screwed on and concentrates on playing as that's what we need him doing
Quote from: statto on April 04, 2024, 03:42:21 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 04, 2024, 02:32:19 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 02:03:55 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2024, 01:53:59 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 01:39:37 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2024, 01:34:49 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 11:19:19 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2024, 10:16:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMQuote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
Not saying you are one of them, but Armagh fans have unrealistic expectations for this crop of players. The team is in a better place than it was but there's still a way to go to get to Derry's level. Is McGeeney the man, I'm not sure but I don't think there is a queue for the job. Rian O'Neill I understand has had issues outside of the game and is being eased back in. Talking of unrealistic expectations though the fans have placed too much on his shoulders and indeed Oisin's before him. Maybe just let them play football they both are class acts on their day. It was strange I'd say that the best club team in the county didn't have one starter.
this is it in a nutshell. Our fans think we are a top 4/5 team when in reality we are far from it
How exactly are we far from a top 4/5 team. We've proven against Galway and Derry in the last 2 seasons that we are on a par with those 2 sides. Arguably should have beaten Derry last season and beat Galway in the group game. Last Sunday was undoubtedly a blow and would make you reevaluate whether we have learned anything from other recent close defeats. I think we are outside the top 3 at the minute but that can easily change on the basis of one result. Our season will be defined by the Ulster championship this year as I don't think many are realistically expecting us to win the All Ireland.
In my view it would be nice to see us just throw off the shackles and give it a go. Irrespective of whether we actually win anything if we can produce football like the 2022 back door campaign I'd be more than satisfied with that. Plus it actually suits our best players to take this approach anyway as the reality is that we've been losing tight games playing the cautious, cagey stuff anyway.
your laast paragragh sums it up. If we played to our capabilites and threw off the shackles then we could reach the AISF. As it is, despite recent QF results we arent close. We dont play good football. We cannot close out games or win big games at CP. We dont have a midfield and we lack that real top quality forward who can guarantee you at least 5/6 points in the big big games a la Clifford or McGuigan
I couldn't argue with any of that but if we opened up and kicked the ball inside more regularly to 2 inside forwards I think we would be closer. And if not then at least we would have something to get behind. We have enough good kickers of the ball to play this style and make us less predictable.
Clifford is a generational player so we don't need to have one of those as long as we have enough other good forwards which I firmly believe that we do. The obsession with risk free football and making every game an arm wrestle might help make us competitive but it won't actually help us win anything.
for me Rian ONeill is a problem. First up, we wont win anything without him playing but the question is where does he play best??? He could be our forward to score 6/7/8 a game but you lose what he can bring out the field. Turbo is decent but in big games he doesnt have it. Or at least he hasnt shown it yet anyway
I personally think Armagh don't have enough scoring threat, even though there seems to be a belief that they have great forwards.
Rian ONeill has the potential to be that marquee forward, but he's a confidence player and focuses too much on the physical side of the game rather than the football side. In saying all of that, for me he could be best suited to a half forward type role and given the freedom of the park. Winning ball, running at defences, taking long range frees and scores. But the temperament needs to be right.
The tell tale sign on the true level of this Armagh side is the Ulster Final last year imo. Derry were a bit of a shambles, didn't play well, had the worst possible week leading up to an Ulster final and Armagh still couldn't beat us. Derry won that game on penalties, but it should never have got to that stage. Derry still had the mental strength to keep it together for penalties even given everything that had gone on....it really was set up for Armagh and they couldn't take advantage.
So say what you want about McGeeney, but that comes down to the quality of the players in my view.
I have a feeling that when ever McGeeney does go, Armagh might only then realise that he over-achieved with the players available. But all of that is and outside view in, so I could well be wrong.
I think Armagh are a top 8/10 side - just teetering on that line between Div 1/2. Could give anyone a game, but ultimately dont have enough to seriously challenge Dublin/Kerry and hopefully Derry.
They are in that Tyrone/Monaghan/Mayo/Roscommon bracket of teams imo.
Couldn't argue with that.
Yeah think we're there but definitely feel as though theres more in us. We've let ourselves down at key times be it letting the opposition back into games, taking the wrong decision at key times or missing a scoreable chance.
Think the last time we lost by more than a single score in league or championship was Donegal in Ulster in 2022 which is a decent record, but we've lost/drew too many tight games in that time and it's going to be something that'll be in players minds until we do get a few wins in tight games where it matters most. Think Galway and Westmeath last year we did well to get wins when it was going down to the wire.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2024, 01:34:49 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 11:19:19 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2024, 10:16:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMQuote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
Not saying you are one of them, but Armagh fans have unrealistic expectations for this crop of players. The team is in a better place than it was but there's still a way to go to get to Derry's level. Is McGeeney the man, I'm not sure but I don't think there is a queue for the job. Rian O'Neill I understand has had issues outside of the game and is being eased back in. Talking of unrealistic expectations though the fans have placed too much on his shoulders and indeed Oisin's before him. Maybe just let them play football they both are class acts on their day. It was strange I'd say that the best club team in the county didn't have one starter.
this is it in a nutshell. Our fans think we are a top 4/5 team when in reality we are far from it
How exactly are we far from a top 4/5 team. We've proven against Galway and Derry in the last 2 seasons that we are on a par with those 2 sides. Arguably should have beaten Derry last season and beat Galway in the group game. Last Sunday was undoubtedly a blow and would make you reevaluate whether we have learned anything from other recent close defeats. I think we are outside the top 3 at the minute but that can easily change on the basis of one result. Our season will be defined by the Ulster championship this year as I don't think many are realistically expecting us to win the All Ireland.
In my view it would be nice to see us just throw off the shackles and give it a go. Irrespective of whether we actually win anything if we can produce football like the 2022 back door campaign I'd be more than satisfied with that. Plus it actually suits our best players to take this approach anyway as the reality is that we've been losing tight games playing the cautious, cagey stuff anyway.
We are not at the level of Dublin, Derry or Kerry, we are a bit of Tyrone and Mayo as well and it's a toss up between us Donegal and Galway. To improve on this the obvious errors need fixed, easy turnovers, scoring return and we need to get rid of the habit of easing of on teams. Armaghs best period on Sunday was when they pushed up on Donegal, as soon as they went 1 up they eased off and a poor turnover handed the game to Donegal in the 4th minute of injury time.
If Oisin O'Neill plays in and around Midfield you play Rian FF. Oisin has a knack of finding Rian. Get the other two togged out as well😂
Quote from: 5times5times on April 04, 2024, 01:31:12 PMQuote from: general_lee on April 04, 2024, 01:25:11 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 04, 2024, 12:42:59 PMIs there something to be said for both teams holding their cards close to their chest for the Championship and playing fairly shite on purpose??!!
I think there's an element of that with Armagh. I refuse to believe we've been fielding our strongest team available in the league.
Would Armagh fans be shocked if in 2 weeks time, we seen 2x ONeills, Kelly, Grimley, Duffy and Nugent start?
There will undoubtedly be some changes. McPartland was handed his debut last year in the Ulster championship having not featured in the League. So I think we will try a few different things out against and Fermanagh and hopefully Down.
I think Rian and Duffy will definitely start. I'd definitely start Oisin O'Neill midfield and Nugent at his best starts also. But since we have seen so little of Kelly, Nugent and Grimley we don't actually know what sort of form they are producing in training.
I'm hoping it was part of a Geezer masterplan to use the 2023 gameplan in the League final and then unleash the new marauding Armagh come championship time.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2024, 04:56:32 PMQuote from: 5times5times on April 04, 2024, 01:31:12 PMQuote from: general_lee on April 04, 2024, 01:25:11 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 04, 2024, 12:42:59 PMIs there something to be said for both teams holding their cards close to their chest for the Championship and playing fairly shite on purpose??!!
I think there's an element of that with Armagh. I refuse to believe we've been fielding our strongest team available in the league.
Would Armagh fans be shocked if in 2 weeks time, we seen 2x ONeills, Kelly, Grimley, Duffy and Nugent start?
There will undoubtedly be some changes. McPartland was handed his debut last year in the Ulster championship having not featured in the League. So I think we will try a few different things out against and Fermanagh and hopefully Down.
I think Rian and Duffy will definitely start. I'd definitely start Oisin O'Neill midfield and Nugent at his best starts also. But since we have seen so little of Kelly, Nugent and Grimley we don't actually know what sort of form they are producing in training.
I'm hoping it was part of a Geezer masterplan to use the 2023 gameplan in the League final and then unleash the new marauding Armagh come championship time.
I doubt Kelly, Grimley or Nugent will start. The 2 O'Neills may.
I know we talk about Rian being our potential star forward but he certainly hasnt shown that in a while. Now dont get me wrong... clutch moments, requiring big scores, he is our man. Regularly keeping the scoreboard ticking, maybe not.
I really hope we see less of the liability side to his game this year. I'm hoping for a learning curve like Forker years ago.
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2024, 04:20:02 PMIf Oisin O'Neill plays in and around Midfield you play Rian FF. Oisin has a knack of finding Rian. Get the other two togged out as well😂
Quote from: lurganblue on April 05, 2024, 09:56:47 AMQuote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2024, 04:56:32 PMQuote from: 5times5times on April 04, 2024, 01:31:12 PMQuote from: general_lee on April 04, 2024, 01:25:11 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 04, 2024, 12:42:59 PMIs there something to be said for both teams holding their cards close to their chest for the Championship and playing fairly shite on purpose??!!
I think there's an element of that with Armagh. I refuse to believe we've been fielding our strongest team available in the league.
Would Armagh fans be shocked if in 2 weeks time, we seen 2x ONeills, Kelly, Grimley, Duffy and Nugent start?
There will undoubtedly be some changes. McPartland was handed his debut last year in the Ulster championship having not featured in the League. So I think we will try a few different things out against and Fermanagh and hopefully Down.
I think Rian and Duffy will definitely start. I'd definitely start Oisin O'Neill midfield and Nugent at his best starts also. But since we have seen so little of Kelly, Nugent and Grimley we don't actually know what sort of form they are producing in training.
I'm hoping it was part of a Geezer masterplan to use the 2023 gameplan in the League final and then unleash the new marauding Armagh come championship time.
I doubt Kelly, Grimley or Nugent will start. The 2 O'Neills may.
I know we talk about Rian being our potential star forward but he certainly hasnt shown that in a while. Now dont get me wrong... clutch moments, requiring big scores, he is our man. Regularly keeping the scoreboard ticking, maybe not.
I really hope we see less of the liability side to his game this year. I'm hoping for a learning curve like Forker years ago.
I don't think Oisin O'Neill will start, don't know if he has the legs for intercounty midfield. I would think Murnin Conaty and Turbitt are nailed to start as the inside three at the minute. Grugan should play 11, but may be shifted to the wing to accomodate an O'Neill in the forward line .
10/12 to me are the two positions up for debate and will be between Conor 'Neill(who starts somewhere for me), Hall, McElroy, Campbell, Duffy,Grugan( if Rian/Oisin play 11). Given that I expect Fermanagh to setup defensively Campbell should be starting along with a more workman line half forward. Would have liked to see McQuillan get to stretch his legs in Croker as he gives something a bit different but would be surprised at this stage if gets any minutes against Fermanagh.
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2024, 10:16:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMQuote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
Not saying you are one of them, but Armagh fans have unrealistic expectations for this crop of players. The team is in a better place than it was but there's still a way to go to get to Derry's level. Is McGeeney the man, I'm not sure but I don't think there is a queue for the job. Rian O'Neill I understand has had issues outside of the game and is being eased back in. Talking of unrealistic expectations though the fans have placed too much on his shoulders and indeed Oisin's before him. Maybe just let them play football they both are class acts on their day. It was strange I'd say that the best club team in the county didn't have one starter.
I think my view on the current crop is that we lack the very top quality players to challenge the top teams but we have very few weak links either and plenty of players who are at a decent to good inter county level.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 05, 2024, 08:19:48 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 04, 2024, 10:16:12 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2024, 11:09:29 AMQuote from: statto on April 01, 2024, 10:29:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on March 31, 2024, 03:48:00 PMDonegal deserved to win but Armagh were awful. Falling back in to all the old habits I thought they had moved away from this year (Louth match excepted).
The manner of the defeat against a Donegal who will get much better is hard to take. I'd no longer be confident of an Ulster final let alone hoping for something more.
having saw down Fermanagh and antrim they should be making it with bit to spare.
In fairness I was maybe a little raw after the match but I am not as confident as I was before yesterday
Not saying you are one of them, but Armagh fans have unrealistic expectations for this crop of players. The team is in a better place than it was but there's still a way to go to get to Derry's level. Is McGeeney the man, I'm not sure but I don't think there is a queue for the job. Rian O'Neill I understand has had issues outside of the game and is being eased back in. Talking of unrealistic expectations though the fans have placed too much on his shoulders and indeed Oisin's before him. Maybe just let them play football they both are class acts on their day. It was strange I'd say that the best club team in the county didn't have one starter.
I think my view on the current crop is that we lack the very top quality players to challenge the top teams but we have very few weak links either and plenty of players who are at a decent to good inter county level.
yeah I think we've a decent bunch of lads who are fully bought in and behind the management. Probably don't have enough of that top quality- as seen by club, school and underage results.
Outside the 2 O'Neills, Grugan, Murnin, Forker and Soupy we don't have too many players with that elite ability, and obviously 2 of those haven't been at their best enough and the other 4 are the wrong side of 30, however we are capable of more than the sum of our parts if that makes sense.