A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

[Armagh18]

There will never be a United ireland who in there right mind would pay to see their GP, the NHS blah blah blah. Oh wait

If the NHS is your argument against a United Ireland then you havent much of a leg to stand on these days!

[JPGJOHNNYG]

There will never be a United ireland who in there right mind would pay to see their GP, the NHS blah blah blah. Oh wait

If the NHS is your argument against a United Ireland then you havent much of a leg to stand on these days!

Exactly it doesn't stop the idiots that keep insisting on using it as some sort of positive when it is clear to see that it has been on its knees for yrs esp in NI

[AustinPowers]

I think the  inevitable deliberate disentegration of the nhs will hasten  support for a united ireland.  For all it's faults and struggles,  the nhs in terms of free* medical care is one less cost for people,  but if it's taken away then  it'll be the same as the south in terms of private health insurance for  a huge swathe of the population .

By the way ,  what would be the average cost of annual health insurance in the south for the average person?

[balladmaker]

Read a good soccer analogy from a unionist perspective yesterday ref. the GFA and any border poll ...

Nationalism are playing the golden goal, unionism are defending the goal, nationalism only has to score once and the game ends. 

That pretty much sums up the current situation.

[AustinPowers]

Read a good soccer analogy from a unionist perspective yesterday ref. the GFA and any border poll ...

Nationalism are playing the golden goal, unionism are defending the goal, nationalism only has to score once and the game ends. 

That pretty much sums up the current situation.

You could say Unionism has been  defending the goal since 1922.  Nationalism just couldn't get a sniff  of  the  ball until now

[smort]

Read a good soccer analogy from a unionist perspective yesterday ref. the GFA and any border poll ...

Nationalism are playing the golden goal, unionism are defending the goal, nationalism only has to score once and the game ends. 

That pretty much sums up the current situation.

You could say Unionism has been  defending the goal since 1922.  Nationalism just couldn't get a sniff  of  the  ball until now

And actually have more players on the pitch

Result = inevitable

[Rossfan]

I think the  inevitable deliberate disentegration of the nhs will hasten  support for a united ireland.  For all it's faults and struggles,  the nhs in terms of free* medical care is one less cost for people,  but if it's taken away then  it'll be the same as the south in terms of private health insurance for  a huge swathe of the population .

By the way ,  what would be the average cost of annual health insurance in the south for the average person?

You don't actually need private health Insurance but it saves a lot of waiting if you have a non lifethreatening ailment.
Cost of PHI.... like how much is a car.... depends on what you buy.
Cheapest with some private hospital cover  around  €700 to €850 for adults.
Dearest prob €5k.

[yellowcard]

Read a good soccer analogy from a unionist perspective yesterday ref. the GFA and any border poll ...

Nationalism are playing the golden goal, unionism are defending the goal, nationalism only has to score once and the game ends. 

That pretty much sums up the current situation.

For decades Unionism had the referees on their side and they also had a numerical advantage. That numerical advantage has now gone and it is a level playing field. In the years ahead Unionism will be at a numerical disadvantage but instead of changing their tactics they simply retreat further into their hardline defensive shell. Rinse repeat.     

[armaghniac]

Re the health thing, NI is much worse then England, and it is going down the tubes in recent years

[trailer]

I think the  inevitable deliberate disentegration of the nhs will hasten  support for a united ireland.  For all it's faults and struggles,  the nhs in terms of free* medical care is one less cost for people,  but if it's taken away then  it'll be the same as the south in terms of private health insurance for  a huge swathe of the population .

By the way ,  what would be the average cost of annual health insurance in the south for the average person?

You don't actually need private health Insurance but it saves a lot of waiting if you have a non lifethreatening ailment.
Cost of PHI.... like how much is a car.... depends on what you buy.
Cheapest with some private hospital cover  around  €700 to €850 for adults.
Dearest prob €5k.

I have PHI for the fam and I am in the North. £80 odd a month.

[pbat]

https://unherd.com/2022/11/sinn-fein-has-given-up-on-a-united-ireland/

Should nearly go in the WTF tread.

[armaghniac]

https://unherd.com/2022/11/sinn-fein-has-given-up-on-a-united-ireland/

Should nearly go in the WTF tread.

Indeed, once you came to the bit about the prosperity of NI ensuring its continuation.
However, it is true that SF have little real interest in unity. Progress requires a proper economic model, Paschal Donohue has done more to bring that about than SF who have policies for spending money but few for developing the economy to pay for this.

[Rossfan]

26 Cos taxpayers helping out the poor relations again

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/1117/1336770-bridge-tender/

[Applesisapples]

I have reached the conclusion that a UI is without doubt going to happen. It will not however be delivered by politicians, but happen organically. I also think that the Shared Island project will be instrumental in its delivery over the next 20 years. There is an acceptance in the broader unionist community that we are on that path although they won't voice it publicly. It needs to happen in a way that does not further alienate loyalist working classes who currently live in fear of the bogey men that is the nationalist community. Their fears need to be assuaged. 50+1 might be the law but continuously shouting about it only stokes loyalist fears.

[Rossfan]

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41013740.html