What is this about?
Could be Downs latest GAA club, they are announcing their pitches and facilities on Thursday. Also entering a team into the JFC.
Fair play
What what what?
Where you hearing/reading this?
[Good for them BTW]
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on June 02, 2020, 12:10:26 PM
What what what?
Where you hearing/reading this?
[Good for them BTW]
Been all over twitter and was an Article in the Irish News - Interesting to see how many numbers they get, could possibly benefit from getting a few past Bredagh players
Already have enough for a senior team they say. Fair play to them.
Linda Ervine is first President of East Belfast GAA club
https://gaeliclife.com/counties/down/linda-ervine-is-first-president-of-east-belfast-gaa-club/
Fair play to those involved. Hopefully it gets a good cross community intake - with Linda Irvine on board will that help against any potential opposition from the usual suspects?
Which Republican figure are they being named after?
Quote from: BennyCake on June 02, 2020, 03:11:20 PM
Which Republican figure are they being named after?
Jamie Bryson
Imagine the grants!? Might join myself for a few new hurls.
QuoteHarland and Wolfe Tone G.A.C
From twitter ;D
What colour the jersey? Red, white and blue with an orange sash across the front, like An Gaeltacht's in Kerry?
Quote from: BennyCake on June 02, 2020, 06:27:20 PM
What colour the jersey? Red, white and blue with an orange sash across the front, like An Gaeltacht's in Kerry?
An Ghaeltacht have white jerseys with red trim and red sash...not at all what you describe.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 02, 2020, 06:55:25 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 02, 2020, 06:27:20 PM
What colour the jersey? Red, white and blue with an orange sash across the front, like An Gaeltacht's in Kerry?
An Ghaeltacht have white jerseys with red trim and red sash...not at all what you describe.
Aye I know. I was really only describing the sash design on their jersey.
Home games at the Ozone beside Ormeau Park?
Quote from: nearlymad on June 02, 2020, 08:58:19 PM
Home games at the Ozone beside Ormeau Park?
Talk that they might be up by Stormont. Growing 'green' in east Belfast and a more liberal Protestant community will hopefully see them develop. Better to be in the Down league rather than Antrim. Imagine some of the hallions they'd come up against the boys from The Short Strand or the like!!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 02, 2020, 09:57:32 PM
Quote from: nearlymad on June 02, 2020, 08:58:19 PM
Home games at the Ozone beside Ormeau Park?
Talk that they might be up by Stormont. Growing 'green' in east Belfast and a more liberal Protestant community will hopefully see them develop. Better to be in the Down league rather than Antrim. Imagine some of the hallions they'd come up against the boys from The Short Strand or the like!!
No team in the Strand.Used to be the Seanie Martins so they may get some of them to join up.
Surely St Malachys would pick them up though?
I'd have thought one would have been for further up the newtownards road etc.
Quote from: nearlymad on June 02, 2020, 11:38:26 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 02, 2020, 09:57:32 PM
Quote from: nearlymad on June 02, 2020, 08:58:19 PM
Home games at the Ozone beside Ormeau Park?
Talk that they might be up by Stormont. Growing 'green' in east Belfast and a more liberal Protestant community will hopefully see them develop. Better to be in the Down league rather than Antrim. Imagine some of the hallions they'd come up against the boys from The Short Strand or the like!!
No team in the Strand.Used to be the Seanie Martins so they may get some of them to join up.
Seanie Martins! Christ that was an experience
Linda Ervine on Frank Mitchel explaining how the GAA will have to get rid of the tri-colour et all
Quote from: MoChara on June 03, 2020, 12:00:47 PM
Linda Ervine on Frank Mitchel explaining how the GAA will have to get rid of the tri-colour et all
Linda can GFY with that suggestion.
Quote from: MoChara on June 03, 2020, 12:00:47 PM
Linda Ervine on Frank Mitchel explaining how the GAA will have to get rid of the tri-colour et all
She does my head in tbh agus is gaeilgeoir mé, wrapped up some amount of Foras na Gaeilge funding
Quote from: nearlymad on June 02, 2020, 11:38:26 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 02, 2020, 09:57:32 PM
Quote from: nearlymad on June 02, 2020, 08:58:19 PM
Home games at the Ozone beside Ormeau Park?
Talk that they might be up by Stormont. Growing 'green' in east Belfast and a more liberal Protestant community will hopefully see them develop. Better to be in the Down league rather than Antrim. Imagine some of the hallions they'd come up against the boys from The Short Strand or the like!!
No team in the Strand.Used to be the Seanie Martins so they may get some of them to join up.
St Malachy's would pick up any Strand folks
Quote from: hardstation on June 03, 2020, 02:17:35 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 03, 2020, 02:10:49 PM
Quote from: nearlymad on June 02, 2020, 11:38:26 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 02, 2020, 09:57:32 PM
Quote from: nearlymad on June 02, 2020, 08:58:19 PM
Home games at the Ozone beside Ormeau Park?
Talk that they might be up by Stormont. Growing 'green' in east Belfast and a more liberal Protestant community will hopefully see them develop. Better to be in the Down league rather than Antrim. Imagine some of the hallions they'd come up against the boys from The Short Strand or the like!!
No team in the Strand.Used to be the Seanie Martins so they may get some of them to join up.
St Malachy's would pick up any Strand folks
Maybe they'd rather play in their own county now though.
Good point.
On that does anyone on here know of lads playing in 2 counties in Belfast, say football for 1 and hurling for another. One of the clubs would need not provide for either code
Bredagh play hurling in Antrim and football in Down, as does Carryduff
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 03, 2020, 03:36:51 PM
Bredagh play hurling in Antrim and football in Down, as does Carryduff
have to play Down hurling as well
Quote from: Square Ball on June 03, 2020, 03:38:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 03, 2020, 03:36:51 PM
Bredagh play hurling in Antrim and football in Down, as does Carryduff
have to play Down hurling as well
That's right, so they are!
Bredagh and carryduff are still Down hurling.
Antrim leagues now have derry, tyrone and down teams in them. I'm not sure about any other counties? (Armagh haven't any in it do they?)
It's more like an ulster league so it's where they play championship that counts.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 03, 2020, 03:55:47 PM
Bredagh and carryduff are still Down hurling.
Antrim leagues now have derry, tyrone and down teams in them. I'm not sure about any other counties? (Armagh haven't any in it do they?)
It's more like an ulster league so it's where they play championship that counts.
I'd look at it slightly different, yes Championship is the main finish to the year, but the likes of Carryduff/Bredagh and the Derry/Tyrone lads are getting a healthy standard of hurling, as Ballycran/Ballygalget/Portaferry can testify too...
Should the likes of Carryduff and Bredagh get through the leauges to div2 then the Down teams would be in a much more healthier position.
on the East Belfast team, will that cut into the Holywood team St Paul's?
I think St Paul's gets players from the Hollywood and Bangor direction more so than Belfast.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 03, 2020, 04:09:29 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 03, 2020, 03:55:47 PM
Bredagh and carryduff are still Down hurling.
Antrim leagues now have derry, tyrone and down teams in them. I'm not sure about any other counties? (Armagh haven't any in it do they?)
It's more like an ulster league so it's where they play championship that counts.
I'd look at it slightly different, yes Championship is the main finish to the year, but the likes of Carryduff/Bredagh and the Derry/Tyrone lads are getting a healthy standard of hurling, as Ballycran/Ballygalget/Portaferry can testify too...
Should the likes of Carryduff and Bredagh get through the leauges to div2 then the Down teams would be in a much more healthier position.
on the East Belfast team, will that cut into the Holywood team St Paul's?
Yeah I would agree but technically they are down is all I am saying. Their standard will have improved greatly and the ards teams would only be having matches among themselves and hammering other teams and the matches among themselves would likely be hatchet jobs they'd play that much and that many grudges would be built up.
The most interesting one to me is Eoghan Rua who look like they'll be in division one very soon at current rate.
Anyway sorry off topic...
This is interesting. I hope it's not a political stunt. I think to some degree there has to be some respect that it's Irish culture but there could be a halfway house somewhere to get more protestants playing if there are things putting them off.
How many Protestants are currently playing Gaelic Games in NI at present?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 03, 2020, 01:49:18 PM
Quote from: MoChara on June 03, 2020, 12:00:47 PM
Linda Ervine on Frank Mitchel explaining how the GAA will have to get rid of the tri-colour et all
She does my head in tbh agus is gaeilgeoir mé, wrapped up some amount of Foras na Gaeilge funding
There must be a bit of dough in it if Linda Ervine will be president
Quote from: michaelg on June 03, 2020, 04:50:16 PM
How many Protestants are currently playing Gaelic Games in NI at present?
not very many I'd imagine but they're out there. I know of a few in Armagh, Wylie brothers in Monaghan would be notable. Not sure about other counties, not like it's something that's ever discussed
Quote from: Kidder81 on June 03, 2020, 04:57:20 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 03, 2020, 01:49:18 PM
Quote from: MoChara on June 03, 2020, 12:00:47 PM
Linda Ervine on Frank Mitchel explaining how the GAA will have to get rid of the tri-colour et all
She does my head in tbh agus is gaeilgeoir mé, wrapped up some amount of Foras na Gaeilge funding
There must be a bit of dough in it if Linda Ervine will be president
Yeah. She will be giving talks . 30 quid an hour.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 03, 2020, 04:26:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 03, 2020, 04:09:29 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 03, 2020, 03:55:47 PM
Bredagh and carryduff are still Down hurling.
Antrim leagues now have derry, tyrone and down teams in them. I'm not sure about any other counties? (Armagh haven't any in it do they?)
It's more like an ulster league so it's where they play championship that counts.
I'd look at it slightly different, yes Championship is the main finish to the year, but the likes of Carryduff/Bredagh and the Derry/Tyrone lads are getting a healthy standard of hurling, as Ballycran/Ballygalget/Portaferry can testify too...
Should the likes of Carryduff and Bredagh get through the leauges to div2 then the Down teams would be in a much more healthier position.
on the East Belfast team, will that cut into the Holywood team St Paul's?
Yeah I would agree but technically they are down is all I am saying. Their standard will have improved greatly and the ards teams would only be having matches among themselves and hammering other teams and the matches among themselves would likely be hatchet jobs they'd play that much and that many grudges would be built up.
The most interesting one to me is Eoghan Rua who look like they'll be in division one very soon at current rate.
Anyway sorry off topic...
This is interesting. I hope it's not a political stunt. I think to some degree there has to be some respect that it's Irish culture but there could be a halfway house somewhere to get more protestants playing if there are things putting them off.
I would concur with that. If we stopped flying the national flag and playing the anthem at Ulster Championship games would we really notice much of a difference? If small gestures like that got more Protestants playing the games then I'd be all in favour of it.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 03, 2020, 05:14:40 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on June 03, 2020, 04:57:20 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 03, 2020, 01:49:18 PM
Quote from: MoChara on June 03, 2020, 12:00:47 PM
Linda Ervine on Frank Mitchel explaining how the GAA will have to get rid of the tri-colour et all
She does my head in tbh agus is gaeilgeoir mé, wrapped up some amount of Foras na Gaeilge funding
There must be a bit of dough in it if Linda Ervine will be president
Yeah. She will be giving talks . 30 quid an hour.
Well it's hard to imagine an initiative like this without some begrudgery attached to it.
I've always been fascinated by the progressive wing of unionism. It's a lot more reasonable than the not-an-inch crowd, so I'd give it the benefit of the doubt.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 03, 2020, 05:16:30 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 03, 2020, 05:14:40 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on June 03, 2020, 04:57:20 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 03, 2020, 01:49:18 PM
Quote from: MoChara on June 03, 2020, 12:00:47 PM
Linda Ervine on Frank Mitchel explaining how the GAA will have to get rid of the tri-colour et all
She does my head in tbh agus is gaeilgeoir mé, wrapped up some amount of Foras na Gaeilge funding
There must be a bit of dough in it if Linda Ervine will be president
Yeah. She will be giving talks . 30 quid an hour.
Well it's hard to imagine an initiative like this without some begrudgery attached to it.
I've always been fascinated by the progressive wing of unionism. It's a lot more reasonable than the not-an-inch crowd, so I'd give it the benefit of the doubt.
It's not begrudging. She is jumping ahead on all her funding applications simply because she is a unionist. This was even when she had zero Irish . Other groups providing tonnes of classes etc lost out, she won't give a talk either without "facilitator fees'.
County aside whats the deal with Bredagh and St Malachy's
Is it a class divide at the heart of it?
Quote from: Kidder81 on June 03, 2020, 04:57:20 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 03, 2020, 01:49:18 PM
Quote from: MoChara on June 03, 2020, 12:00:47 PM
Linda Ervine on Frank Mitchel explaining how the GAA will have to get rid of the tri-colour et all
She does my head in tbh agus is gaeilgeoir mé, wrapped up some amount of Foras na Gaeilge funding
There must be a bit of dough in it if Linda Ervine will be president
If she is to be the President of this new Club,she'll have to abide by it's rules.Make your choice Linda, as we'll not be changing the rules to facilitate her new pastime and PR stunt.
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 03, 2020, 05:33:28 PM
County aside whats the deal with Bredagh and St Malachy's
Is it a class divide at the heart of it?
Different parish I'd assume
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 03, 2020, 06:11:32 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 03, 2020, 05:33:28 PM
County aside whats the deal with Bredagh and St Malachy's
Is it a class divide at the heart of it?
Different parish I'd assume
And a different County.Something akin to Strabane Sigerson's and Lifford Naomh Padraig's
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 03, 2020, 05:33:28 PM
County aside whats the deal with Bredagh and St Malachy's
Is it a class divide at the heart of it?
They're different catchment areas that just happen to both play on the same council pitches. I am not even sure if there is a specific bredagh parish. It would be Rosetta and whatever the one at the top of the ormeau road is. I *think* there is a st malachys parish though could be wrong.
And another thing I'd be really unhappy about would be to see this become a GAA vanity project. Bit like the American bullshit. Get the funding into us up here where there is real potential fur growth. By all means let them grow, but the Linda Irvine thing seems calculated
Hmmmmm....
Do I get the impression some people would be happy to see this club fail?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 03, 2020, 07:07:47 PM
Hmmmmm....
Do I get the impression some people would be happy to see this club fail?
No. But I'm very suspicious about Linda Irvine thing. If I thought it meant we didn't get the funding we have been crying out for from Ulster council for hurling , well I'd be pissed. Of course SF will be on this bandwagon
I think we should applaud Linda Irvine, but i disagree with any dilution of what the GAA stands for.
Every other country in the world can fly tri-colours on St Patrick's Day. It's only in the occupied six where a minority go out of their way to take offence. Those that take offence at our national flag are not gonna be picking up a hurl or donning an O'Neill's top.
And that is no different to me passing remarks about Windsor Park. They can sing no surrender for all they like, because I ain't gonna visit nor follow that team.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 03, 2020, 07:33:35 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 03, 2020, 07:07:47 PM
Hmmmmm....
Do I get the impression some people would be happy to see this club fail?
No. But I'm very suspicious about Linda Irvine thing. If I thought it meant we didn't get the funding we have been crying out for from Ulster council for hurling , well I'd be pissed. Of course SF will be on this bandwagon
Have Sinn Fein mentioned anything? Or is that just you getting your retaliation in first?
What makes you think the Ulster council is going to treat this club any differently? They're not even affiliated to the Down county yet and you have them getting special treatment. And what's there to be suspicious about Linda Ervine? Going into the lions den i think she's a brilliant person to get on board.
Quote from: general_lee on June 03, 2020, 09:47:31 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 03, 2020, 07:33:35 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 03, 2020, 07:07:47 PM
Hmmmmm....
Do I get the impression some people would be happy to see this club fail?
No. But I'm very suspicious about Linda Irvine thing. If I thought it meant we didn't get the funding we have been crying out for from Ulster council for hurling , well I'd be pissed. Of course SF will be on this bandwagon
Have Sinn Fein mentioned anything? Or is that just you getting your retaliation in first?
What makes you think the Ulster council is going to treat this club any differently? They're not even affiliated to the Down county yet and you have them getting special treatment. And what's there to be suspicious about Linda Ervine? Going into the lions den i think she's a brilliant person to get on board.
It's just another issue for Linda to latch onto. https://sluggerotoole.com/2019/05/03/reaching-across-the-divide/
Quote from: general_lee on June 03, 2020, 09:47:31 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 03, 2020, 07:33:35 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 03, 2020, 07:07:47 PM
Hmmmmm....
Do I get the impression some people would be happy to see this club fail?
No. But I'm very suspicious about Linda Irvine thing. If I thought it meant we didn't get the funding we have been crying out for from Ulster council for hurling , well I'd be pissed. Of course SF will be on this bandwagon
Have Sinn Fein mentioned anything? Or is that just you getting your retaliation in first?
What makes you think the Ulster council is going to treat this club any differently? They're not even affiliated to the Down county yet and you have them getting special treatment. And what's there to be suspicious about Linda Ervine? Going into the lions den i think she's a brilliant person to get on board.
Fair play to you. Each to their own..watch this space....
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 03, 2020, 10:32:45 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 03, 2020, 09:47:31 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 03, 2020, 07:33:35 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 03, 2020, 07:07:47 PM
Hmmmmm....
Do I get the impression some people would be happy to see this club fail?
No. But I'm very suspicious about Linda Irvine thing. If I thought it meant we didn't get the funding we have been crying out for from Ulster council for hurling , well I'd be pissed. Of course SF will be on this bandwagon
Have Sinn Fein mentioned anything? Or is that just you getting your retaliation in first?
What makes you think the Ulster council is going to treat this club any differently? They're not even affiliated to the Down county yet and you have them getting special treatment. And what's there to be suspicious about Linda Ervine? Going into the lions den i think she's a brilliant person to get on board.
Fair play to you. Each to their own..watch this space....
Yeah the academic, media luvvie types all love her, as well as the other spurious funding junkies but you are 100% right, she isn't doing this for the good of her health
Quote from: Kidder81 on June 03, 2020, 11:01:55 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 03, 2020, 10:32:45 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 03, 2020, 09:47:31 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 03, 2020, 07:33:35 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 03, 2020, 07:07:47 PM
Hmmmmm....
Do I get the impression some people would be happy to see this club fail?
No. But I'm very suspicious about Linda Irvine thing. If I thought it meant we didn't get the funding we have been crying out for from Ulster council for hurling , well I'd be pissed. Of course SF will be on this bandwagon
Have Sinn Fein mentioned anything? Or is that just you getting your retaliation in first?
What makes you think the Ulster council is going to treat this club any differently? They're not even affiliated to the Down county yet and you have them getting special treatment. And what's there to be suspicious about Linda Ervine? Going into the lions den i think she's a brilliant person to get on board.
Fair play to you. Each to their own..watch this space....
Yeah the academic, media luvvie types all love her, as well as the other spurious funding junkies but you are 100% right, she isn't doing this for the good of her health
Nor are the club, foras na Gaeilge, gaelfast, Ulster GAA, Belfast peace v , community relations Council, big lottery etc etc etc will be all over this.
So will it be a paid job this role? None of our presidents have been paid in the past and present and it's an amateur organisation (please no crap about managers for a bit)
So if she's doing it just for attention, it's a bit daft and unfair on the genuine volunteers. I'll hold judgement for a bit yet
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 03, 2020, 11:52:21 PM
So will it be a paid job this role? None of our presidents have been paid in the past and present and it's an amateur organisation (please no crap about managers for a bit)
So if she's doing it just for attention, it's a bit daft and unfair on the genuine volunteers. I'll hold judgement for a bit yet
You are kinder than me.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 03, 2020, 11:52:21 PM
So will it be a paid job this role? None of our presidents have been paid in the past and present and it's an amateur organisation (please no crap about managers for a bit)
So if she's doing it just for attention, it's a bit daft and unfair on the genuine volunteers. I'll hold judgement for a bit yet
No it's not paid. It's about the funding . I worked in community and voluntary sector for a long time. It's all siphoned off in facilitator fees to individuals. I'm not necessarily saying she will get them here, but it vastly improves her profile and audience to gather them elsewhere and it takes the club up the priority list when looking for funding. Win win.
Quote from: nearlymad on June 03, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 03, 2020, 09:47:31 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 03, 2020, 07:33:35 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 03, 2020, 07:07:47 PM
Hmmmmm....
Do I get the impression some people would be happy to see this club fail?
No. But I'm very suspicious about Linda Irvine thing. If I thought it meant we didn't get the funding we have been crying out for from Ulster council for hurling , well I'd be pissed. Of course SF will be on this bandwagon
Have Sinn Fein mentioned anything? Or is that just you getting your retaliation in first?
What makes you think the Ulster council is going to treat this club any differently? They're not even affiliated to the Down county yet and you have them getting special treatment. And what's there to be suspicious about Linda Ervine? Going into the lions den i think she's a brilliant person to get on board.
It's just another issue for Linda to latch onto. https://sluggerotoole.com/2019/05/03/reaching-across-the-divide/
The link you provided does not support your claim. Everything she says in that article sounds entirely reasonable.
She seems to be an Irish language activist. Is she going to the trouble of painstakingly learning Irish (a tough learning curve if ever there was) just to pull some sort of PR stunt?
She seems to be a unionist from the progressive wing that doesn't see the Irish identity as a threat and something that they can embrace without losing their British identity.
She seems to want to move beyond the Troubles, and have a day of remembrance that honors ALL victims of the Troubles.
She seems to lament the fact that society is so divided, but points out that there's plenty that unites people in working class areas in terms of addiction, poverty, lack of opportunity, etc..
What is it about this woman that's so threatening to so many people here? Why do you not trust her? What am I missing?
I think she does a good job in promoting the Irish language but I get the feeling she likes to g ok against the grain for the sake of it.
Example 1. Being an ardent proponent of the Irish language while coming from a loyalist background.
Example 2. Emphasising her loyalist background while at Irish language events. I heard that she sung the sash (In Irish) at such an event in Tyrone. ( i laughed when i heard that)
Shes a bit contrary and rubs people up the wrong way as a result but overall I think she is doing important job breaking down barriers etc
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 04, 2020, 07:18:49 AM
I think she does a good job in promoting the Irish language but I get the feeling she likes to g ok against the grain for the sake of it.
Example 1. Being an ardent proponent of the Irish language while coming from a loyalist background.
Example 2. Emphasising her loyalist background while at Irish language events. I heard that she sung the sash (In Irish) at such an event in Tyrone. ( i laughed when i heard that)
Shes a bit contrary and rubs people up the wrong way as a result but overall I think she is doing important job breaking down barriers etc
This Club would be setting up with (sort of) political attachment which I think is misguided.Let those
who are to run it set it up aka the way Clubs have set up all over the world from Gaels not originally
from the new area.Too much baggage and from the outset it would be Linda Ervine's Club and not those who are putting their head the above the paraphet in what is a predominately Unionist stronghold.
Quote from: nearlymad on June 04, 2020, 08:37:01 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 04, 2020, 07:18:49 AM
I think she does a good job in promoting the Irish language but I get the feeling she likes to g ok against the grain for the sake of it.
Example 1. Being an ardent proponent of the Irish language while coming from a loyalist background.
Example 2. Emphasising her loyalist background while at Irish language events. I heard that she sung the sash (In Irish) at such an event in Tyrone. ( i laughed when i heard that)
Shes a bit contrary and rubs people up the wrong way as a result but overall I think she is doing important job breaking down barriers etc
This Club would be setting up with (sort of) political attachment which I think is misguided.Let those
who are to run it set it up aka the way Clubs have set up all over the world from Gaels not originally
from the new area.Too much baggage and from the outset it would be Linda Ervine's Club and not those who are putting their head the above the paraphet in what is a predominately Unionist stronghold.
For want of a less ironic turn of phrase, her presence might in some way be politicising the GAA
I don't know much about Linda Ervine, and won't second guess the "agenda" in proposing her as president. What I do know is that We need people from all sides contributing to breaking down barriers, whether they get paid for it or not. Quite rightly , there is money available for promoting Gaeilge, and though there are many have been Promoting Gaeilge for free for years, I have no problem with anyone getting paid for work associated the language.
Having said that I'd always be cautious/suspicious about any "new start" GAA club and I'd be interested in the views of St Malachy's, Bredagh, Carryduff and St Paul's posters on this initiative. Anybody in the extended East Belfast area Wanting to play GAA , already has excellent options.
This initiative highlights a dilemma for the GAA going forward. For a variety of reasons, the GAA is still failing to attract members from outside the traditional "GAA" community. Undoubtedly, The GAA's identity remains a barrier for many. However if the GAA sheds that Irish patriotism and cultural connection , it becomes no different from any other sport . Losing the Irish connection would take away motivation for several of our best members . Some of our strongest clubs thrive on their "Irishness", and those well-meaning people who want to drop all the Irish trappings , should be careful
What they wish for.
Though We should aggressively promote inclusivity , it needs to be done within an Irish context. If we drop the Irishness I'd fear we'd lose many of our best, and gain very few. The historical origins of our association can not be ignored, and the challenge is to be welcoming and inclusive within that context, and many clubs already do that successfully .
A more productive step in improving inclusivity , would be GAA promotion in state and integrated schools in the North, and those schools linking in with existing clubs. The ethos of the Good Friday Agreement was to put Britishness and Irishness on an equal footing, yet our supposedly neutral state/integrated education sector continues to marginalise Gaelic games.
Quote from: hardstation on June 04, 2020, 08:41:47 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 03, 2020, 11:52:21 PM
So will it be a paid job this role? None of our presidents have been paid in the past and present and it's an amateur organisation (please no crap about managers for a bit)
So if she's doing it just for attention, it's a bit daft and unfair on the genuine volunteers. I'll hold judgement for a bit yet
Yeah, it's much more convenient to write that off as "crap". Otherwise, a very noble post.
I know it's a problem and don't deny it, but didn't want an side tracked point be brought up, that can be used on other threads ;D
How a GAA club sprang up in east Belfast over Sunday breakfast
Dave McGreevy had no idea what was to follow when he sent out a Tweet from his kitchen table
Dave McGreevy was halfway through his Bran Flakes last Sunday morning when he set up a GAA club in east Belfast by mistake. He was watching Andrew Marr interview Dominic Raab and so stultifying did he find it all that his mind wandered over and picked up the thread of a conversation he'd had with his friend Richard Maguire a week or two earlier. What would it be like to try and set up a GAA club in one of the least GAA areas of the island?
So he got out his phone and set up a new Twitter account, @EastBelfastGAA. For the profile picture, he chose the famous Harland and Wolff cranes. And at 9.15am on a nothing Sunday morning at the end of May, he tied a boulder to his ankles and threw it off a cliff.
"A new GAA club for east Belfast, if you're interested in playing, coaching or admin (More than likely all 3!) All ages, genders and backgrounds welcome. Please email EastBelfastGAA@gmail.com to register".
"Within half an hour, the response was crazy," he says. "I got onto Tricky [Maguire] and said this has exploded here. My phone hasn't stopped. It seems to have grabbed people's imagination, or at least their attention. We thought we might get enough for an under-12 boys' team. But at this rate, it looks like we're going to have a men's team, a ladies' football team, a hurling team and hopefully a camogie team.
"Down GAA have been a big help. They've said they're going to enter us into the junior championship this year, the men's team. Ulster and Antrim have been onto us as well. They're talking about getting us coaching, sending them out to the schools. I would say that 80 per cent of the people who have said they want to be a part of this have never been involved with a GAA club before. That's huge that kind of stuff."
The club has one founding principle – it will be cross-community, open to any and all who feel they'd like to get involved. McGreevy played for London for seven years – he was corner back on the team that made the Connacht final in 2013 and has since returned to Belfast to work in recruitment. He and Maguire play club rugby for Instonians but come from GAA backgrounds as well.
East Belfast has been a GAA wasteland for close on 50 years. There was a club in the area called St Colmcille's up until the early 1970s but it folded after the father of one of the players was killed in a pipe bomb attack. Setting up a club in a community where not only has the GAA had no presence but where some regard it as an actively malign force is going to be delicate. Their stated intention is that it will be for all traditions or it will be for nobody.
"That's the only non-negotiable we have. It's cross-community and that's it. That's how we're going to do this here thing. Straight away, different integrated primary schools in east Belfast have got in touch and they want to set up a link with us. They've got in touch and said, 'Right, we really see the value in this and we want to be part of it. You believe in the same values as we do so let's do it'."
"Richard has worked with Linda Irvine [the Irish language campaigner, sister in law of former Unionist politician David Ervine]. She actually sent me a message 10 minutes after I put up the Tweet, just saying congratulations on the new endeavour. So on Monday, we asked her would she be the club president. She was over the moon about it. She asked what work it would entail and we said, 'Look, in the GAA, the club president doesn't really do a whole pile!'
"The likes of Linda getting involved hopefully shows that we're serious about it being cross-community. The very fact that we're setting up in east Belfast will show that too. It's looking at the moment like we're going to be using Malone rugby's grounds. We're meant to be meeting with Belfast city council to discuss facilities and pitches.
"However, Malone have already approached us and said, 'Use our pitches, use our clubhouse'. Malone rugby club are based on Cregagh Road. Now, Cregagh Road would be the last place you would find a GAA club. We could have gone and set up anywhere else but it looks like we're going to be setting up exactly where we want to be to show we're serious about it."
By midweek, they had upwards of 100 people signed up. For McGreevy, the enthusiasm has done two things above all. First, it has changed his perceptions of east Belfast and sparked his determination for the road ahead, however rocky it might be. Second, it meant he had to leave his home club, Teconnaught.
"I'm the minor manager for my home club! We were just sitting there on Monday and I was going, 'Here, I have to tell the chairman I'm leaving to set up a new club'. I rang him on Monday night and said, 'Look, I don't really know how this has happened but I'm setting up a GAA club in east Belfast. I didn't really intend for it to snowball like this but it has'. And he was so encouraging, so helpful, offering me advice. Usually, you don't get so much positivity when you're leaving a club."
He must be doing something right, so.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/how-a-gaa-club-sprang-up-in-east-belfast-over-sunday-breakfast-1.4270052?mode=amp
Quote from: MoChara on June 04, 2020, 10:00:44 AM
How a GAA club sprang up in east Belfast over Sunday breakfast
Dave McGreevy had no idea what was to follow when he sent out a Tweet from his kitchen table
Dave McGreevy was halfway through his Bran Flakes last Sunday morning when he set up a GAA club in east Belfast by mistake. He was watching Andrew Marr interview Dominic Raab and so stultifying did he find it all that his mind wandered over and picked up the thread of a conversation he'd had with his friend Richard Maguire a week or two earlier. What would it be like to try and set up a GAA club in one of the least GAA areas of the island?
So he got out his phone and set up a new Twitter account, @EastBelfastGAA. For the profile picture, he chose the famous Harland and Wolff cranes. And at 9.15am on a nothing Sunday morning at the end of May, he tied a boulder to his ankles and threw it off a cliff.
"A new GAA club for east Belfast, if you're interested in playing, coaching or admin (More than likely all 3!) All ages, genders and backgrounds welcome. Please email EastBelfastGAA@gmail.com to register".
"Within half an hour, the response was crazy," he says. "I got onto Tricky [Maguire] and said this has exploded here. My phone hasn't stopped. It seems to have grabbed people's imagination, or at least their attention. We thought we might get enough for an under-12 boys' team. But at this rate, it looks like we're going to have a men's team, a ladies' football team, a hurling team and hopefully a camogie team.
"Down GAA have been a big help. They've said they're going to enter us into the junior championship this year, the men's team. Ulster and Antrim have been onto us as well. They're talking about getting us coaching, sending them out to the schools. I would say that 80 per cent of the people who have said they want to be a part of this have never been involved with a GAA club before. That's huge that kind of stuff."
The club has one founding principle – it will be cross-community, open to any and all who feel they'd like to get involved. McGreevy played for London for seven years – he was corner back on the team that made the Connacht final in 2013 and has since returned to Belfast to work in recruitment. He and Maguire play club rugby for Instonians but come from GAA backgrounds as well.
East Belfast has been a GAA wasteland for close on 50 years. There was a club in the area called St Colmcille's up until the early 1970s but it folded after the father of one of the players was killed in a pipe bomb attack. Setting up a club in a community where not only has the GAA had no presence but where some regard it as an actively malign force is going to be delicate. Their stated intention is that it will be for all traditions or it will be for nobody.
"That's the only non-negotiable we have. It's cross-community and that's it. That's how we're going to do this here thing. Straight away, different integrated primary schools in east Belfast have got in touch and they want to set up a link with us. They've got in touch and said, 'Right, we really see the value in this and we want to be part of it. You believe in the same values as we do so let's do it'."
"Richard has worked with Linda Irvine [the Irish language campaigner, sister in law of former Unionist politician David Ervine]. She actually sent me a message 10 minutes after I put up the Tweet, just saying congratulations on the new endeavour. So on Monday, we asked her would she be the club president. She was over the moon about it. She asked what work it would entail and we said, 'Look, in the GAA, the club president doesn't really do a whole pile!'
"The likes of Linda getting involved hopefully shows that we're serious about it being cross-community. The very fact that we're setting up in east Belfast will show that too. It's looking at the moment like we're going to be using Malone rugby's grounds. We're meant to be meeting with Belfast city council to discuss facilities and pitches.
"However, Malone have already approached us and said, 'Use our pitches, use our clubhouse'. Malone rugby club are based on Cregagh Road. Now, Cregagh Road would be the last place you would find a GAA club. We could have gone and set up anywhere else but it looks like we're going to be setting up exactly where we want to be to show we're serious about it."
By midweek, they had upwards of 100 people signed up. For McGreevy, the enthusiasm has done two things above all. First, it has changed his perceptions of east Belfast and sparked his determination for the road ahead, however rocky it might be. Second, it meant he had to leave his home club, Teconnaught.
"I'm the minor manager for my home club! We were just sitting there on Monday and I was going, 'Here, I have to tell the chairman I'm leaving to set up a new club'. I rang him on Monday night and said, 'Look, I don't really know how this has happened but I'm setting up a GAA club in east Belfast. I didn't really intend for it to snowball like this but it has'. And he was so encouraging, so helpful, offering me advice. Usually, you don't get so much positivity when you're leaving a club."
He must be doing something right, so.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/how-a-gaa-club-sprang-up-in-east-belfast-over-sunday-breakfast-1.4270052?mode=amp
Good to see the link up with integrated schools. Despite reservations regarding any "new start" club, Fair play to those who seem genuinely motivated to get this off the ground. Great to see Malone Rugby club stepping up-could this mirror the Harlequins / St Brigids link which proved very successful . And as a "new start" if This initiative mirrors St Brigids , it could work well. From a selfish point of view , a new Down club is exciting, especially given the existing strength of Carryduff, Bredagh and St. Paul's. Though It's a massive task , a sizeable portion of our population in Down is untapped , and if this works it could further strengthen GAA in North Down.
It's occurred to me for a long time that Down GAA needed a strategy in South Belfast** and while there isn't much strategic in the thought process outlined in the Irish Times article above, it might be no bad thing for the wider area. Given the numbers in that area, Down GAA's strategy in the area was basically Bredagh. There are two massive clubs in the the broader area, in Bredagh and Carryduff, with huge numbers at underage and both teams have 3 senior teams. They are extremely hardworking and a credit in the way they have developed youth structures which are now bearing fruit at senior level.
However, given the size of the area and the changing demographics, I've no doubt there is plenty of room for an extra club in the area and maybe it would create an extra bit of healthy competition, both in terms of attracting players and on the field of play (once a team gets established). Personally I would see St Paul's as being in a different catchment, and if the new club is based at Malone on the Cregagh Road, they will basically be on or inside Bredagh's doorstep and taking from the same pool. However, that needn't be a bad thing.
** Edit: Maybe they do have a South Belfast Strategy and I don't know anything about it :D
St Malachy's parish is centred on the Markets and would stretch up to the Ormeau Bridge
So much cynicism in this thread. I don't know Linda Ervine other than from her Irish language activism. She's been asked by the founders of this club to be president but according to some on her it's her that has latched onto it? As for other clubs in the area, the only one I'd be worrying about is St Paul's in Holywood, the likes of Bredagh and Carryduff are huge, Carryduff especially. St Malachy's a different county who already have the strand for players interested in GAA. According to the fella behind this club 80% of the people interested in it aren't from GAA backgrounds so this could be a pioneering venture in the making.
Good to see the link up with integrated schools. Despite reservations regarding any "new start" club, Fair play to those who seem genuinely motivated to get this off the ground. Great to see Malone Rugby club stepping up-could this mirror the Harlequins / St Brigids link which proved very successful . And as a "new start" if This initiative mirrors St Brigids , it could work well. From a selfish point of view , a new Down club is exciting, especially given the existing strength of Carryduff, Bredagh and St. Paul's. Though It's a massive task , a sizeable portion of our population in Down is untapped , and if this works it could further strengthen GAA in North Down.
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A bit to go before Portavogie and Donaghadee are challenging for hurling honours.
St Paul's would be a transitory club at the best of times. I know from people involved they have a core of good people but find it hard to retain others. That is changing though and there is definitely room in east Belfast for 2 clubs. The likes of St Patrick's in Knock has a good strong growing GAA base. Frankie Wilson doing a lot of work there as is Catherine McGourty. A lot to build on.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 04, 2020, 12:57:15 PM
St Paul's would be a transitory club at the best of times. I know from people involved they have a core of good people but find it hard to retain others. That is changing though and there is definitely room in east Belfast for 2 clubs. The likes of St Patrick's in Knock has a good strong growing GAA base. Frankie Wilson doing a lot of work there as is Catherine McGourty. A lot to build on.
St. Paul's is an incredible club. Very "isolated" GAA wise, and have several challenges unfamiliar to most clubs, but very competitive especially at underage in East Down in recent years. Their main problem is that they have a widely spread urban demographic with rural numbers. Numbers and resources wise they are in the shadow of Down's 2 biggest clubs Carryduff and Bredagh. Perhaps a new start neighbouring club with similar numbers and resources, will be a further boost to St Paul's recruitment and motivation. Interesting times
If the new club is going to bring more people into the GAA, particularly on a cross-community basis, it has to be a positive development. It was still a little surprising to see David McGreevy suggest the Cregagh Road was the last place you would find a GAA club. Bredagh's home at Cherryvale borders Ravenhill rugby ground and as the crow flies is a little over 500m away from the Cregagh Road, which, if we are going to be pedantic, is entirely in the political constituency of South Belfast anyway. There are already good links between Malone RFC and Bredagh, and the potential recruitment area for a new club would be more likely to be over towards Ballyhackamore and Knock. However, there is no doubt that the GAA is seriously underrepresented across much of the northern half of Down and attempts to change that sad state of affairs deserve to be encouraged.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 03, 2020, 06:25:59 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 03, 2020, 05:33:28 PM
County aside whats the deal with Bredagh and St Malachy's
Is it a class divide at the heart of it?
They're different catchment areas that just happen to both play on the same council pitches. I am not even sure if there is a specific bredagh parish. It would be Rosetta and whatever the one at the top of the ormeau road is. I *think* there is a st malachys parish though could be wrong.
George Best country, am I correct?
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 03, 2020, 05:33:28 PM
County aside whats the deal with Bredagh and St Malachy's
Is it a class divide at the heart of it?
What does this mean? One club is based in the lower Ormeau and markets (Antrim) and the other in the upper Ormeau, Rosetta, Ravenhill etc (Down). Isn't St Malachy's the name of the chapel down in the markets (Alfred Street). Bredagh's catchment would cover both Holy Rosary and St Bernadette's parishes.
Quote from: MoChara on June 04, 2020, 10:00:44 AM
How a GAA club sprang up in east Belfast over Sunday breakfast
Dave McGreevy had no idea what was to follow when he sent out a Tweet from his kitchen table
Dave McGreevy was halfway through his Bran Flakes last Sunday morning when he set up a GAA club in east Belfast by mistake. He was watching Andrew Marr interview Dominic Raab and so stultifying did he find it all that his mind wandered over and picked up the thread of a conversation he'd had with his friend Richard Maguire a week or two earlier. What would it be like to try and set up a GAA club in one of the least GAA areas of the island?
So he got out his phone and set up a new Twitter account, @EastBelfastGAA. For the profile picture, he chose the famous Harland and Wolff cranes. And at 9.15am on a nothing Sunday morning at the end of May, he tied a boulder to his ankles and threw it off a cliff.
"A new GAA club for east Belfast, if you're interested in playing, coaching or admin (More than likely all 3!) All ages, genders and backgrounds welcome. Please email EastBelfastGAA@gmail.com to register".
"Within half an hour, the response was crazy," he says. "I got onto Tricky [Maguire] and said this has exploded here. My phone hasn't stopped. It seems to have grabbed people's imagination, or at least their attention. We thought we might get enough for an under-12 boys' team. But at this rate, it looks like we're going to have a men's team, a ladies' football team, a hurling team and hopefully a camogie team.
"Down GAA have been a big help. They've said they're going to enter us into the junior championship this year, the men's team. Ulster and Antrim have been onto us as well. They're talking about getting us coaching, sending them out to the schools. I would say that 80 per cent of the people who have said they want to be a part of this have never been involved with a GAA club before. That's huge that kind of stuff."
The club has one founding principle – it will be cross-community, open to any and all who feel they'd like to get involved. McGreevy played for London for seven years – he was corner back on the team that made the Connacht final in 2013 and has since returned to Belfast to work in recruitment. He and Maguire play club rugby for Instonians but come from GAA backgrounds as well.
East Belfast has been a GAA wasteland for close on 50 years. There was a club in the area called St Colmcille's up until the early 1970s but it folded after the father of one of the players was killed in a pipe bomb attack. Setting up a club in a community where not only has the GAA had no presence but where some regard it as an actively malign force is going to be delicate. Their stated intention is that it will be for all traditions or it will be for nobody.
"That's the only non-negotiable we have. It's cross-community and that's it. That's how we're going to do this here thing. Straight away, different integrated primary schools in east Belfast have got in touch and they want to set up a link with us. They've got in touch and said, 'Right, we really see the value in this and we want to be part of it. You believe in the same values as we do so let's do it'."
"Richard has worked with Linda Irvine [the Irish language campaigner, sister in law of former Unionist politician David Ervine]. She actually sent me a message 10 minutes after I put up the Tweet, just saying congratulations on the new endeavour. So on Monday, we asked her would she be the club president. She was over the moon about it. She asked what work it would entail and we said, 'Look, in the GAA, the club president doesn't really do a whole pile!'
"The likes of Linda getting involved hopefully shows that we're serious about it being cross-community. The very fact that we're setting up in east Belfast will show that too. It's looking at the moment like we're going to be using Malone rugby's grounds. We're meant to be meeting with Belfast city council to discuss facilities and pitches.
"However, Malone have already approached us and said, 'Use our pitches, use our clubhouse'. Malone rugby club are based on Cregagh Road. Now, Cregagh Road would be the last place you would find a GAA club. We could have gone and set up anywhere else but it looks like we're going to be setting up exactly where we want to be to show we're serious about it."
By midweek, they had upwards of 100 people signed up. For McGreevy, the enthusiasm has done two things above all. First, it has changed his perceptions of east Belfast and sparked his determination for the road ahead, however rocky it might be. Second, it meant he had to leave his home club, Teconnaught.
"I'm the minor manager for my home club! We were just sitting there on Monday and I was going, 'Here, I have to tell the chairman I'm leaving to set up a new club'. I rang him on Monday night and said, 'Look, I don't really know how this has happened but I'm setting up a GAA club in east Belfast. I didn't really intend for it to snowball like this but it has'. And he was so encouraging, so helpful, offering me advice. Usually, you don't get so much positivity when you're leaving a club."
He must be doing something right, so.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/how-a-gaa-club-sprang-up-in-east-belfast-over-sunday-breakfast-1.4270052?mode=amp
Fantastic. Just shows you the pent-up demand there is for GAA activity in places you'd least expect.
Watched a piece there on UTV Live and wondering how can a person be appointed as President of a Club that hasn't even been formed?The report said they had 100 members signed up already.
While I wish all involved well,I think they haven't started well with this Linda Ervine link. Freedom of Information will eventually show a ££££'s link to her.
Quote from: nearlymad on June 04, 2020, 08:04:06 PM
Watched a piece there on UTV Live and wondering how can a person be appointed as President of a Club that hasn't even been formed?The report said they had 100 members signed up already.
While I wish all involved well,I think they haven't started well with this Linda Ervine link. Freedom of Information will eventually show a ££££'s link to her.
Perhaps, but there may be someone in the background willing to pony up ££££s if she is involved.
Quote from: ardtole on June 04, 2020, 12:56:06 PM
A bit to go before Portavogie and Donaghadee are challenging for hurling honours.
I can a dual club in North Down.... Millsle Mary Lous
Quote from: armaghniac on June 04, 2020, 09:05:39 PM
Quote from: nearlymad on June 04, 2020, 08:04:06 PM
Watched a piece there on UTV Live and wondering how can a person be appointed as President of a Club that hasn't even been formed?The report said they had 100 members signed up already.
While I wish all involved well,I think they haven't started well with this Linda Ervine link. Freedom of Information will eventually show a ££££'s link to her.
Perhaps, but there may be someone in the background willing to pony up ££££s if she is involved.
Seems a bit more to it, than a casual tweet having his bran flakes on sunday morning
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 04, 2020, 06:31:04 PM
Fantastic. Just shows you the pent-up demand there is for GAA activity in places you'd least expect.
There's two CCMS schools & parishes on the Newtonards Road St Matthews and St Jospeh's both with 300+ pupils attending. I imagine they both go to St Malachy's and Bredagh respectively at the minute. Plenty of appetite there for a club in my opinion Linda Irvine or not
I would imagine mostly . St Malachys very small club.
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 04, 2020, 09:45:55 PM
Quote from: ardtole on June 04, 2020, 12:56:06 PM
A bit to go before Portavogie and Donaghadee are challenging for hurling honours.
I can a dual club in North Down.... Millsle Mary Lous
I believe there is a catholic primary school in Donaghadee.
This proves that there are a lot of Catholics living in areas which are deemed predominantly loyalist. In the case of east Belfast, I believe it will attract catholics who played when they were young, but for one reason or another landed in an area where you gaelic is frowned upon.
Quote from: ardtole on June 04, 2020, 09:59:45 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 04, 2020, 09:05:39 PM
Quote from: nearlymad on June 04, 2020, 08:04:06 PM
Watched a piece there on UTV Live and wondering how can a person be appointed as President of a Club that hasn't even been formed?The report said they had 100 members signed up already.
While I wish all involved well,I think they haven't started well with this Linda Ervine link. Freedom of Information will eventually show a ££££'s link to her.
Perhaps, but there may be someone in the background willing to pony up ££££s if she is involved.
Seems a bit more to it, than a casual tweet having his bran flakes on sunday morning
Tell us your theory then...
Come on, lads. What's up with all the cynicism and suspicion? Is it such a positive development that it's too good to be true, or something? I would really like to know.
So have I got this right then?
1. GAA club to open in East Belfast;
2. They sign up their first Prod;
3. "She's a Witch, burn her!"
I guess that's what you call a 'warm house for Protestants' ;D
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 04, 2020, 10:18:55 PM
So have I got this right then?
1. GAA club to open in East Belfast;
2. They sign up their first Prod;
3. "She's a Witch, burn her!"
I guess that's what you call a 'warm house for Protestants' ;D
Seems that way.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 04, 2020, 10:11:02 PM
Quote from: ardtole on June 04, 2020, 09:59:45 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 04, 2020, 09:05:39 PM
Quote from: nearlymad on June 04, 2020, 08:04:06 PM
Watched a piece there on UTV Live and wondering how can a person be appointed as President of a Club that hasn't even been formed?The report said they had 100 members signed up already.
While I wish all involved well,I think they haven't started well with this Linda Ervine link. Freedom of Information will eventually show a ££££'s link to her.
Perhaps, but there may be someone in the background willing to pony up ££££s if she is involved.
Seems a bit more to it, than a casual tweet having his bran flakes on sunday morning
Tell us your theory then...
I have no theory. I wish them the best of luck. I know things can snowball quick with social media, but since sunday morning they have 100 members.
I presume they have some sort of payment system set up, they would probably need a bank account. Can you be a member without paying membership?
Apparently they will play in the Down Jfc this year, have the county board even had a meeting this week, would they not need to be registered with Croke Park. I wouldn't be familiar with the ins and outs of the red tape involved here but to have been accepted within 72 hours I thought was fast tracked.
One of the rugby clubs have allowed them to ground share, fair play to them, but I would have thought they would need to consult their own members which again seems to have occurred very quickly.
Even questions around the likes of insurance for adult competitions, the costs are not insignificant, a lot seems to have happened since a sunday morning tweet.
I sincerely wish them the best of luck, but you would need to be a little naive to think there was no prior planning before Sunday.
Quote from: hardstation on June 04, 2020, 10:35:18 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 04, 2020, 10:18:55 PM
So have I got this right then?
1. GAA club to open in East Belfast;
2. They sign up their first Prod;
3. "She's a Witch, burn her!"
I guess that's what you call a 'warm house for Protestants' ;D
Not that I know or really care if the things said about her are true but in the interest of fairness to those against her, #2 needs a couple of things added to it;
2.a This particular first prod went on the radio and said that she would like the GAA to disassociate itself from the Irish national anthem and Irish national flag.
2.b This particular first prod seems to have a reputation for keeping up with the deontas.
But isn't
that the point?
If you're going to open up to Prods, then you've got to be prepared to listen to what they think? ("Listening to" is not the same as "acceding to", btw)
Or if you're not prepared to do so, then just accept that the present situation is going to prevail i.e. Prods aren't/won't be interested.
And even though I think that it should be a source of embarrassment that 1/6th of the population of Ireland is excluded - or feels itself excluded - from playing particular sports, I might add that I'm not "offended" by this.
For as a fan of another sport, we'll always attract "your" Pat Jennings, but unless/until something changes, you'll never attract "our" George Best.
Quote from: hardstation on June 04, 2020, 10:55:32 PM
I think those who heard her on the radio did listen to her. They decided they didn't want what she was asking for. Which is fair enough, I think.
The wannabe types from our side don't go asking Ulster Rugby to change their traditions to suit us.They just go along and pretend they are like them.Linda Ervine either joins up under our traditions or else just keep getting the coin for what is her admirable work in the promotion of the Irish language.We are what we are!
Ps. Remember Jarlath Burns and his National Anthem/Flag rant that quickly disappeared.
Quote from: hardstation on June 04, 2020, 10:55:32 PM
I think those who heard her on the radio did listen to her. They decided they didn't want what she was asking for. Which is fair enough, I think.
"Fair enough" in the sense that it's your sport, so you may do with it what you like.
Are you happy, then, that the consequence will just be more of the age-old situation whereby there's no room for Prods in your organisation?
(Late Edit)
Quote from: hardstation on June 04, 2020, 10:55:32 PMAlso, you didn't get rid of your flag and anthem to attract our Pat Jennings. He just wasn't put off by it.
If your George Best is put off by our flag and anthem, that's on him.
Except it's not just the flag and the anthem, it's the ethos which they represent.
Unless you imagine that Catholics are more inherently open-minded than Prods?
(That's excluding those Prods who accept the flag and anthem when watching Ireland play rugby in Lansdowne, of course).
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 04, 2020, 10:18:55 PM
So have I got this right then?
1. GAA club to open in East Belfast;
2. They sign up their first Prod;
3. "She's a Witch, burn her!"
I guess that's what you call a 'warm house for Protestants' ;D
No wrong. I spent times trying to recruit underage Protestant lads in Derry .it's not about that, it's about Linda Ervine outscoring more deserving groups in everything just because she is Protestant.The GAA will be all over this ,perfect story to show they have moved on. They will draw down funds from everywhere. It's highly unlikely Protestants will ever play for them, b
Quote from: nearlymad on June 04, 2020, 11:03:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 04, 2020, 10:55:32 PM
I think those who heard her on the radio did listen to her. They decided they didn't want what she was asking for. Which is fair enough, I think.
The wannabe types from our side don't go asking Ulster Rugby to change their traditions to suit us.They just go along and pretend they are like them.Linda Ervine either joins up under our traditions or else just keep getting the coin for what is her admirable work in the promotion of the Irish language.We are what we are!
What 'traditions' at Ulster Rugby need to be changed?
Quote from: michaelg on June 04, 2020, 11:19:38 PM
Quote from: nearlymad on June 04, 2020, 11:03:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 04, 2020, 10:55:32 PM
I think those who heard her on the radio did listen to her. They decided they didn't want what she was asking for. Which is fair enough, I think.
The wannabe types from our side don't go asking Ulster Rugby to change their traditions to suit us.They just go along and pretend they are like them.Linda Ervine either joins up under our traditions or else just keep getting the coin for what is her admirable work in the promotion of the Irish language.We are what we are!
What 'traditions' at Ulster Rugby need to be changed?
That werid WWF Easter Egg hunt thing
Quote from: hardstation on June 04, 2020, 11:14:49 PM
Does your flag and anthem mean there's no room for fenians in your team?
Why not ask them?
As I said in my earlier Edit, the flag and anthem in GAA fairly reflect the whole ethos of the sport(s), at every level, in every corner.
Whereas with football, the NI flag and anthem only appears because it is a requirement of the world governing body, FIFA, that for internationals (only) they be included in the pre-match protocol.
And while some people get teary-eyed etc for 90 seconds before kick-off, most appreciate that it's just a formality, we're really there to play the Germans (or whomever).
Meanwhile, for 99% of matches in NI, none of this applies. And nobody cares.
(For myself, I find the playing of the anthems is the perfect time to go for one last pre-match piss, the queue for the bogs having died down by then)
Cause they are all out, singing their hearts out ;)
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 04, 2020, 11:25:37 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 04, 2020, 11:14:49 PM
Does your flag and anthem mean there's no room for fenians in your team?
Why not ask them?
As I said in my earlier Edit, the flag and anthem in GAA fairly reflect the whole ethos of the sport(s), at every level, in every corner.
Whereas with football, the NI flag and anthem only appears because it is a requirement of the world governing body, FIFA, that for internationals (only) they be included in the pre-match protocol.
And while some people get teary-eyed etc for 90 seconds before kick-off, most appreciate that it's just a formality, we're really there to play the Germans (or whomever).
Meanwhile, for 99% of matches in NI, none of this applies. And nobody cares.
(For myself, I find the playing of the anthems is the perfect time to go for one last pre-match piss, the queue for the bogs having died down by then)
;D ;D ;D What?? ;D ;D ;D Your joking for the craic right?
Justin case your not feeling free to explain why GSTQ gets an airing at NI matches and not in Wales or Scotland? Danny Boy is widely recognized as a neutral alternative.
And if the whole Nationalism thing is just a formality maybe you could explain why Windsor Park is decked out Union Jacks from pillar to post, then there is the sectarian chanting, booing of Catholic players. I think its fair to say most Catholics prob just put up with it as its a commercial opportunity.
On another note.... is that your Linda?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 04, 2020, 11:32:39 PM
Cause they are all out, singing their hearts out ;)
Or had left a few minutes earlier to take their seats.
Meanwhile, I'm still nifty enough on my feet to empty the bladder, give the oul fella a shake, do my flies up, run my hands under the tap, nip out and get back up the stairs in time for the referee's whistle! (Years of practice ;))
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 04, 2020, 10:18:55 PM
So have I got this right then?
1. GAA club to open in East Belfast;
2. They sign up their first Prod;
3. "She's a Witch, burn her!"
I guess that's what you call a 'warm house for Protestants' ;D
Did their new clubhouse qualify for an RHI boiler? ;)
Getting back on topic, as someone from Carryduff GAC I am delighted that this club is being formed. There is huge potential in North Down(including the large part of Belfast in Down) for more clubs to form over the next few decades. The club will start small and weak but if they get things right they will survive and then grow. Carryduff and Bredagh won't be effected by the new club and knowing both clubs they will help them in any way they can. St Paul's may lose a few but they have huge potential to grow over the next 5/10 years. Look this is good news for the GAA in Down and in Belfast. As for all the political stuff, who cares, let's get the balls and sticks out and enjoy it.
Quote from: nearlymad on June 04, 2020, 11:05:13 PM
Ps. Remember Jarlath Burns and his National Anthem/Flag rant that quickly disappeared.
I remember big Jarlath saying that a few years ago, and I disagreed.
As time goes on, I agree with him. The Irish flag isn't needed at any ground. A GAA flag should be flown with flags of the participating teams. . And the anthem isn't needed either, except for All Ireland final day.
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 04, 2020, 11:38:35 PM
Justin case your not feeling free to explain why GSTQ gets an airing at NI matches and not in Wales or Scotland? Danny Boy is widely recognized as a neutral alternative.
I, and a whole lot of fans I know, would greatly prefer something like Danny Boy.
But the IFA is not going to change GSTQ anytime soon, at least while England retain it, not because of some inalienable attachment, but because it would just raise another shit-storm from DUP types who don't even follow the game. Meaning it's easier just to play it for 8 or 10 internationals, out of the thousands of games played up and down the country every season. Meaning they're craven rather than dogmatic.
But it's interesting that you call for a "neutral" anthem. Would the GAA be willing to adopt a neutral anthem too, at least for games played in NI?
And should the IRFU drop the SS completely and just make do with Ireland's Call, for the sake of consistency?
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 04, 2020, 11:38:35 PM
And if the whole Nationalism thing is just a formality maybe you could explain why Windsor Park is decked out Union Jacks from pillar to post, then there is the sectarian chanting, booing of Catholic players. I think its fair to say most Catholics prob just put up with it as its a commercial opportunity.
It isn't "decked out with UJ's from pillar to post". A few fans bring them - it's hardly illegal - but they're only a small minority of the flags and banners on display.
Nor is there "sectarian chanting" and Catholic players do not get booed.
I suppose you might be forgiven for believing that, since you've clearly never been to an NI international, yet certain people with an agenda perpetuate these outdated myths which (presumably) suit your own perspective.
Meanwhile, those who do take the trouble to attend, know that the reality is far different these days eg:
https://www.northernslant.com/son-first-northern-ireland-match/ (https://www.northernslant.com/son-first-northern-ireland-match/)
Then again, you might already have known this, since didn't your very own Jerome Quinn go to a game at Windsor in his GAA top looking for a "story" and the best he could come up with is that some people "looked at him" (Er, you're "that fella from the telly", Jerome); a fanzine seller gave him a free copy ("How dare he"); oh and the fans hummed the theme from "The Great Escape" (the very essence of sectarianism...).
I suspect that if you attended, you'd be similarly disappointed ("Disabused" rather than "Abused"? ;) )
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 04, 2020, 11:38:35 PM
On another note.... is that your Linda?
Oh my aching sides.
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 04, 2020, 10:50:16 PM
And even though I think that it should be a source of embarrassment that 1/6th of the population of Ireland is excluded - or feels itself excluded - from playing particular sports, I might add that I'm not "offended" by this.
Are you embarrassed because you exclude yourself from normal life in Ireland because you identify with the 17th century?
Quote from: BennyCake on June 04, 2020, 11:50:29 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 04, 2020, 10:18:55 PM
So have I got this right then?
1. GAA club to open in East Belfast;
2. They sign up their first Prod;
3. "She's a Witch, burn her!"
I guess that's what you call a 'warm house for Protestants' ;D
Did their new clubhouse qualify for an RHI boiler? ;)
Very good! :D
P.S. Would that stand for "Red Hand of Ireland"? And are you calling Linda an oul boiler? ;)
Quote from: armaghniac on June 05, 2020, 12:17:46 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 04, 2020, 10:50:16 PM
And even though I think that it should be a source of embarrassment that 1/6th of the population of Ireland is excluded - or feels itself excluded - from playing particular sports, I might add that I'm not "offended" by this.
Are you embarrassed because you exclude yourself from normal life in Ireland because you identify with the 17th century?
If my sport excluded 48%(?) of the population of NI I'd certainly be embarrassed.
That's because I try to live my life in the 21st century, where what "foot you dig with" shouldn't determine what foot you
kick with.
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 05, 2020, 12:15:01 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 04, 2020, 11:38:35 PM
Justin case your not feeling free to explain why GSTQ gets an airing at NI matches and not in Wales or Scotland? Danny Boy is widely recognized as a neutral alternative.
I, and a whole lot of fans I know, would greatly prefer something like Danny Boy.
But the IFA is not going to change GSTQ anytime soon, at least while England retain it, not because of some inalienable attachment, but because it would just raise another shit-storm from DUP types who don't even follow the game. Meaning it's easier just to play it for 8 or 10 internationals, out of the thousands of games played up and down the country every season. Meaning they're craven rather than dogmatic.
But it's interesting that you call for a "neutral" anthem. Would the GAA be willing to adopt a neutral anthem too, at least for games played in NI?
And should the IRFU drop the SS completely and just make do with Ireland's Call, for the sake of consistency?
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 04, 2020, 11:38:35 PM
And if the whole Nationalism thing is just a formality maybe you could explain why Windsor Park is decked out Union Jacks from pillar to post, then there is the sectarian chanting, booing of Catholic players. I think its fair to say most Catholics prob just put up with it as its a commercial opportunity.
It isn't "decked out with UJ's from pillar to post". A few fans bring them - it's hardly illegal - but they're only a small minority of the flags and banners on display.
Nor is there "sectarian chanting" and Catholic players do not get booed.
I suppose you might be forgiven for believing that, since you've clearly never been to an NI international, yet certain people with an agenda perpetuate these outdated myths which (presumably) suit your own perspective.
Meanwhile, those who do take the trouble to attend, know that the reality is far different these days eg:
https://www.northernslant.com/son-first-northern-ireland-match/ (https://www.northernslant.com/son-first-northern-ireland-match/)
Then again, you might already have known this, since didn't your very own Jerome Quinn go to a game at Windsor in his GAA top looking for a "story" and the best he could come up with is that some people "looked at him" (Er, you're "that fella from the telly", Jerome); a fanzine seller gave him a free copy ("How dare he"); oh and the fans hummed the theme from "The Great Escape" (the very essence of sectarianism...).
I suspect that if you attended, you'd be similarly disappointed ("Disabused" rather than "Abused"? ;) )
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 04, 2020, 11:38:35 PM
On another note.... is that your Linda?
Oh my aching sides.
Now Now Linda dont get so upset
I do apologise for my lack of knowledge on soccer and the comings and goings of NI soccer team and its supporters I am only going on what I hear and see on the news.
So basically your saying GSTQ is only still getting an outing because the DUP types (who are easily the majority of the supporters) would be in uproar.
I also apologise on the UJ, I forgot about that the defunct sectarian statelet flag is the flag of preference for NI supporters
I'll give Windsor a pass tho, unless there was some decent sports played there
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 05, 2020, 12:24:11 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 05, 2020, 12:17:46 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 04, 2020, 10:50:16 PM
And even though I think that it should be a source of embarrassment that 1/6th of the population of Ireland is excluded - or feels itself excluded - from playing particular sports, I might add that I'm not "offended" by this.
Are you embarrassed because you exclude yourself from normal life in Ireland because you identify with the 17th century?
If my sport excluded 48%(?) of the population of NI I'd certainly be embarrassed.
That's because I try to live my life in the 21st century, where what "foot you dig with" shouldn't determine what foot you kick with.
And yet you are embarrassed by GSTQ
Fully in the 21st century despite waving a 20th century flag?
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 05, 2020, 12:24:11 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 05, 2020, 12:17:46 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 04, 2020, 10:50:16 PM
And even though I think that it should be a source of embarrassment that 1/6th of the population of Ireland is excluded - or feels itself excluded - from playing particular sports, I might add that I'm not "offended" by this.
Are you embarrassed because you exclude yourself from normal life in Ireland because you identify with the 17th century?
If my sport excluded 48%(?) of the population of NI I'd certainly be embarrassed.
That's because I try to live my life in the 21st century, where what "foot you dig with" shouldn't determine what foot you kick with.
You know very well the sport does not exclude anyone, but some people exclude themselves for sectarian reasons.
Am I reading this right....people giving out about an East Belfast GAA club. H Christ relax everyone. It's Friday.
Any match in any code can function very well without a National Anthem being played beforehand.
You NEED 2 teams, a ball 1 or more Officials, a pitch.
Just read some of the posts on here. This thread is embarrassing!
Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2020, 10:32:53 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 10:29:26 AM
Any match in any code can function very well without a National Anthem being played beforehand.
You NEED 2 teams, a ball 1 or more Officials, a pitch.
Indeed, and they can function without the promotion of the Irish language, scór and teams & venues named after people involved in conflict & uprising. Therefore, these things aren't needed so we could get rid of them. Do we really need to be called the Gaelic Athletic Association?
Not much promotion of an Ghaeilge as 99.99% of posts on this forum are I mBéarla, and 99% of official GAA business is I mBéarla.
Plenty of organisations promoting the language out there.
Scór is great stuff and I like it a lot but you'll find Irish music, song, dancing are doing great already.
The GAA doing a bit for Gaeilge and for Irish music etc is nice to see but isn't particularly NEEDED.
The Gaelic ATHLETIC Association title isn't correct either by your logic as the GAA doesn't do athletics any more.
Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2020, 09:19:16 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2020, 12:00:48 AM
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Ps. Remember Jarlath Burns and his National Anthem/Flag rant that quickly disappeared.
I remember big Jarlath saying that a few years ago, and I disagreed.
As time goes on, I agree with him. The Irish flag isn't needed at any ground. A GAA flag should be flown with flags of the participating teams. . And the anthem isn't needed either, except for All Ireland final day.
When you say needed..... What do you mean? There are probably many things in the GAA that somebody may say aren't needed. Is the promotion of the Irish language needed? Is scór needed? Do clubs and venues need to be named after people involved in conflict and uprising?
I think the point is that all of these things are wanted.
Interestingly, why would the anthem all of a sudden become needed on All Ireland final day?
GSTQ is obviously wanted at NI matches. But nationalists complain about it being unwelcoming to play for/support NI, yet are outraged at the thought of removing the same from GAA matches. The Irish flag is a political thing, and I just think it shouldn't be flown, and not because it's unwelcoming to unionists. I just do t see the point of anthem being played at a McKenna Cup or NFL div 4 game on a freezing Saturday night over a tinny PA system. It's not needed. All Ireland day yes, as that's the national final. Play it then.
Scor and the Irish language aren't political, so there's no comparison with those to anthem/flag.
Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2020, 10:32:53 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 10:29:26 AM
Any match in any code can function very well without a National Anthem being played beforehand.
You NEED 2 teams, a ball 1 or more Officials, a pitch.
Indeed, and they can function without the promotion of the Irish language, scór and teams & venues named after people involved in conflict & uprising. Therefore, these things aren't needed so we could get rid of them. Do we really need to be called the Gaelic Athletic Association?
That's the question for the GAA going forward. Can it survive or even thrive, without the extra motivation of Irish patriotism and all that entails eg multi-sports,volunteerism, language, Scór ?. How would this neutrality look? Would the new GAA include dropping names such as St Patrick's in case it was a barrier to non-christians? Similarly Should we change the name of the Royal Victoria Hospital in case it offends republican staff or patients?
Or should we all embrace diversity, should we respect history and each other's identities , and welcome all within that context. IFA, Ulster Rugby and GAA are trying to do that . It's unnecessary and unworkable to dilute all semblance of identity, and force a "neutral" identity on everyone. Let's accept and embrace identities as long as they're not aggressive . Several "nationalists" play for NI in spite of it's identity, and are welcomed. Several "unionists" play GAA in spite of it's identity and are welcomed. If NI soccer had a totally neutral identity , they may lose more than they gain, similarly for the GAA.
Linda Ervine does brilliant work in my opinion, to try and get her on board with Gaeilge, did we dilute it? No , her identity was respected and she respected the identity of others.
I agree with Ardtole's very fair comments re the logistics of start up, but as a Down man would welcome any initiative to extend the GAA net in our county.
Paying lip service to an Ghaeilge and a small percentage of members taking part in singing, music and dancing contests are unlikely to stop anyone playing Gaelic games.
Continuously using Flag and Anthem of 1 "tribe" in the North will hardly entice many of the other "tribe".
Back in the day when we were all under the British Empire flying the Tricolour at games and playing Amhrán na bhFiann were important public statements of our separateness from the State.
From 1922 in the North it was about the only expression of Nationality that was publicly available to the Nationalist Community.
Since 1998 that is not the case.
As I've said here before all Sports bodies in the North should have a protocol of no National Flags or Anthems .
Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2020, 11:28:02 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2020, 11:15:08 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2020, 09:19:16 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2020, 12:00:48 AM
Quote from: nearlymad on June 04, 2020, 11:05:13 PM
Ps. Remember Jarlath Burns and his National Anthem/Flag rant that quickly disappeared.
I remember big Jarlath saying that a few years ago, and I disagreed.
As time goes on, I agree with him. The Irish flag isn't needed at any ground. A GAA flag should be flown with flags of the participating teams. . And the anthem isn't needed either, except for All Ireland final day.
When you say needed..... What do you mean? There are probably many things in the GAA that somebody may say aren't needed. Is the promotion of the Irish language needed? Is scór needed? Do clubs and venues need to be named after people involved in conflict and uprising?
I think the point is that all of these things are wanted.
Interestingly, why would the anthem all of a sudden become needed on All Ireland final day?
GSTQ is obviously wanted at NI matches. But nationalists complain about it being unwelcoming to play for/support NI, yet are outraged at the thought of removing the same from GAA matches. The Irish flag is a political thing, and I just think it shouldn't be flown, and not because it's unwelcoming to unionists. I just do t see the point of anthem being played at a McKenna Cup or NFL div 4 game on a freezing Saturday night over a tinny PA system. It's not needed. All Ireland day yes, as that's the national final. Play it then.
Scor and the Irish language aren't political, so there's no comparison with those to anthem/flag.
I don't mind the soccer team playing GSTQ. I have no other longing to support them so it is not off putting for me. For what it is worth, I dislike our national anthem and would be happy for the country to scrap it, let alone the GAA. However, I can see why moving from an association which promotes our national identity to one that hides it would annoy people.
There are many unionists who would disagree with you that the Irish language is not political and if it discourages sections of the community from participating and it is not needed, why keep it?
It's not hiding national identity. Do you see/hear the flag/anthem at GAA matches and suddenly realise "Jaysus, I forgot we were Irish. Good job we have the flag/anthem to remind us!". A lot of us don't need a tri colour wrapped around us to prove we are Irish.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 11:31:25 AM
Paying lip service to an Ghaeilge and a small percentage of members taking part in singing, music and dancing contests are unlikely to stop anyone playing Gaelic games.
Continuously using Flag and Anthem of 1 "tribe" in the North will hardly entice many of the other "tribe".
Back in the day when we were all under the British Empire flying the Tricolour at games and playing Amhrán na bhFiann were important public statements of our separateness from the State.
From 1922 in the North it was about the only expression of Nationality that was publicly available to the Nationalist Community.
Since 1998 that is not the case.
As I've said here before all Sports bodies in the North should have a protocol of no National Flags or Anthems .
I respect your opinion Rossfan, but it wouldn't matter if they dropped UJ and GSTQ from
Windsor , I have no affinity to NI or antagonism towards them. Why would NI drop the flag and anthem , beloved of many of their most loyal supporters, in the hope that they'll harness total cross community support, when there's no evidence this will happen. I have friends who support NI, and I envy them having a relatively successful international team to support , on their doorstep . But flags or no flags, they are not my team and my friends respect that . It really isn't a big deal.
How do all those Catholics/Nationalists in Derry City and West Belfast who don't partake in or follow Gaelic games get to be Irish?
As for doing what we always did.....21 aside was dumped, sude posts were dumped, 17 aside was dumped, Kissing Catholic Bishops' rings was dropped, them throwing in the ball was dumped.....
Vibrant organisations change and adapt to circumstances.
PS can anyone tell me how 2 sentences I nGaeilge on page 3 of a match programme is furthering the language?
Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2020, 11:59:34 AM
It's taking something that has always been visible and putting it away so that it can no longer be seen. To me, that's hiding it. I'm not saying it stirs something in me or makes me feel more Irish. Not at all. However the promotion of the national identity is a founding principle of the GAA. I can understand why many would not want that removed.
Captains kissing the bishops ring (ooerrr! etc), bishops throwing the ball in.. they were removed and who the feck misses those? Jaysus, when you look back, WTF Like? Pitch invasions I was against removing too, but upon seeing old footage I think, jaysus that was madness. I'm surprised there weren't more injuries involving people's eyes taken out with flag poles, people trampled on, clashing of heads, glasses smashed etc. Madness.
Anyway, flag/anthem different issues, but some things need taking away. And sometimes we need to have certain things taking away before we realise they weren't such a good idea.
The GAA is a national identity, and the culture around it; community, family days out, sport, language, music, dance, where you're from, friendships made, fitness, etc. Do we need a flag/anthem when we have all that?
Do the Shanghai Gaels or whoever have to fly an Irish flag and play an Irish Antfem?
Quote from: armaghniac on June 05, 2020, 12:17:46 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 04, 2020, 10:50:16 PM
And even though I think that it should be a source of embarrassment that 1/6th of the population of Ireland is excluded - or feels itself excluded - from playing particular sports, I might add that I'm not "offended" by this.
Are you embarrassed because you exclude yourself from normal life in Ireland because you identify with the 17th century?
You might need to work on your inclusivity.
Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2020, 01:07:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 12:33:11 PM
PS can anyone tell me how 2 sentences I nGaeilge on page 3 of a match programme is furthering the language?
Very little, if at all.
My club and probably 100s of GAA clubs across the country do a hell of a lot more than that to promote the language and I'm sure you are aware of that. So, you are being disingenuous. For what reason, I don't know.
They might be in the 6 but not many in tgec26.
There are schools and Irish language organisations for that.
Most clubs now dont even put club names I nGaeilge on their scoreboard.
The people most vehemently opposed to the GAA are the very people who wouldn't set foot inside GAA grounds if their lives depended on it.
If the IFA can be "cross community" while still flying the Loyalist banner and playing the English national anthem; then surely the GAA (an Irish organisation, headquartered in Dublin) can be also while playing the Irish national anthem and fly the Irish flag.
For what it is worth I am indifferent to flags/anthems at our games bar national finals.
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Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2020, 01:07:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 12:33:11 PM
PS can anyone tell me how 2 sentences I nGaeilge on page 3 of a match programme is furthering the language?
Very little, if at all.
My club and probably 100s of GAA clubs across the country do a hell of a lot more than that to promote the language and I'm sure you are aware of that. So, you are being disingenuous. For what reason, I don't know.
They might be in the 6 but not many in tgec26.
There are schools and Irish language organisations for that.
Most clubs now dont even put club names I nGaeilge on their scoreboard.
That's a shame. I don't follow the bit about "there are schools and Irish language organisations for that" as if it should be left to them.
In the 26 everyone (almost) is taught Gaeilge in School.
90% of the hoors probably forget it the day after they leave though :-[
Then there are classes in ETB schools for the enthusiasts, Comhrá Gaeilge groups etc .
GAA clubs round here anyway are put to the pin of their collars running the games which is their primary reason for existence.
Sadly even some clubs' crests nowadays are I mBéarla amháin.
Didnt see an answer to a question I put earlier re those soccerball Catholics/Nationalists in Derry and Belfast??
Maybe I read the posts in the previous few pages ;D
Hmmmmm
The GAA should be promoting the IRISH language
GAA should be promoting IRISH song, music, dance etc
GAA should play IRISH national anthem
GAA should not stop flying the IRISH flag
Ok I got it wrong...
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 03:25:05 PM
Hmmmmm
The GAA should be promoting the IRISH language
GAA should be promoting IRISH song, music, dance etc
GAA should play IRISH national anthem
GAA should not stop flying the IRISH flag
Ok I got it wrong...
Apart from Irish identity being at the core of the GAA ethos, in rule, in 99% of activity it has little active manifestation. I could genuinely debate this at length but I think there's a danger in the extremely positive message of a new GAA club in East Belfast , with strong support in the whole community, getting lost in an age old debate. Regardless of arguments that inevitably follow the GAA ethos , and misunderstandings around that, this is an exciting development that will hopefully be a boost to Down GAA. Fair play to those involved
Indeed.
Best of luck to them.
Surely a GAA club in east Belfast is a great thing. A club for all. As a Down man I'm delighted, the more players we have the better be they whatever colour creed or nationality. As for the national anthem I dont think it needs to be played before every single county game. Provincial and all ireland finals and county finals excepted. Has the GAA been a cold house for unionists in last 20 odd years? I grew up playing underage where we had some protestant lads playing and no one had any issue. And that was the 80s and 90s. As already said there are vast areas of North Down untapped and anything that can be done to attract the unionist people and show them that the gaa is a sporting body 1st and foremost. Yes Irish culture is a main part of that and should remain so and is not something to be afraid off.
You'll find those Rugby Unionists are politely respecting the flag and Anthem of the RofI (as they see it) in which the game is taking place.
That Ireland's Call is played for their team.
At away games it's the only thing they play for the Irish team.
As far as they are concerned the Union Jack and God save Lizzie Windsor are the Flag and Anthem in the North.
PS they fly the Ulster* flag in th'Aviva as well as the Tricolour for Ruggerball internationals for the Unionists.
* as in real 9 County Ulster
I find it sad that a positive story about a new GAA club in an area that hasn't had a club in 50 years mutates into a stupid debate not related to the original story. Why not start a separate thread if you want to talk about anthems, flegs, etc 🙁
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 09:14:10 PM
You'll find those Rugby Unionists are politely respecting the flag and Anthem of the RofI (as they see it) in which the game is taking place.
And what's your problem with that? What's your issue with polite respect? Are 'Rugby Unionists' not welcome then if they are not belting out SS?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 09:26:32 PM
That Ireland's Call is played for their team.
At away games it's the only thing they play for the Irish team.
As far as they are concerned the Union Jack and God save Lizzie Windsor are the Flag and Anthem in the North.
PS they fly the Ulster* flag in th'Aviva as well as the Tricolour for Ruggerball internationals for the Unionists.
* as in real 9 County Ulster
Pretty sure Ireland's call is played for all players. As for the flying of the 9 County Ulster flag at Ireland 'ruggerball' internationals as you refer to them, I have never really understood this if the people who it pertains to represent do not really dentify with the flag.
Did I say I had a problem with it?
I'm merely explaining their viewpoint to HS.
Very intemperate interjection Michaelg.
Ulster Rugby Branch is a 9 County organisation.
Therefore it's the only flag that can represent "non Tricolour" Ulster rugby people.
I think everyone was pleased to hear a new gaa club was being formed in East Belfast, and still are.
We all applaud their intentions to be an inclusive club, and I think most clubs would genuinely be open to any young lad willing to play Gaelic games.
Within 2 days from the sunday morning idea/tweet, East Belfast had secured sponsorship, a facility to play their games at, 100 members (paid up I presume), a bank account or some financial account to meet regulations. Admission to the down Jfc ( which I find hard to understand could be approved so quickly).
I've no problem with Linda Ervine as President, I've never met her, she seems progressive. But I would have concerns about her radio interview, because she liked a tweet, suddenly she was deemed worthy of president of this new club. She thinks the gaa have to compromise on flag and anthem issues, for a club that are not even a week old, ( are they even a registered club?) Seem to be making a lot of demands.
It's strange too that someone would leave their home club for a yet to be established club, less than 20 mile from their home club , within 48-72 hours of a sunday morning tweet.
I genuinely wish the new club well, and I hope they grow from strength to strength, 20-25 years ago Darragh cross would have been in a unionist stronghold, were a poor div 4 football team, but have progressed into a competitive div 2 team, and likely to progress further.
I said before that I think there were a lot of feelers put out before this Sunday morning tweet, and the avalanche of support that followed, but is the east Belfast gaa president in a position to begin dictating to the gaa membership, particularly in the north, the relaxing of traditions that to date I would consider fundamental to the gaa.
Maybe Linda Ervine went on a solo run with the radio interview, I dont know, but it seems a little staged to me.
Did Linda voluntarily mention the Soldiers Song or was it brought up by Nolan so as to trick her into something that would remind loyalists why they don't like Gaelic football?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 01:04:59 PM
Do the Shanghai Gaels or whoever have to fly an Irish flag and play an Irish Antfem?
My guess is that at the weekend of the Asian games they'll play Abhrann na bhFiann plus the local national anthem before the last match, which would be the senior final in either hurling or football. That's how they do it in the USA where they play the Star Spangled Banner followed by Abhrann na bhFiann before the senior hurling final at the USGAA playoffs. Divisional finals will have a similar protocol. (The football used to be the final event but the senior hurling became such a great spectacle that they switched them around.)
Quote from: Orior on June 06, 2020, 06:47:28 AM
Did Linda voluntarily mention the Soldiers Song or was it brought up by Nolan so as to trick her into something that would remind loyalists why they don't like Gaelic football?
I wonder this myself. Seems to be the first thing brought up. I doubt whoever had the idea was thinking about this.
Ah. All seemed a bit abrupt. Right we're creating a Gaa club in a Protestant area so you must get rid of tricolour/ anthem etc. To move to that so quickly looks like a political stunt / someone shit stirring- hopefully the latter.
We could always just play Soccer, sure no-one could be offended then?
Quote from: MoChara on June 08, 2020, 07:36:40 AM
We could always just play Soccer, sure no-one could be offended then?
Did you just call it soccer? I'm offended, it's called football...
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 11:31:25 AM
As I've said here before all Sports bodies in the North should have a protocol of no National Flags or Anthems .
So you expect the GAA to have separate rules for either side of the border? You expect that an organisation which, according to it's rulebook
"has as its basic aim the strengthening of the National Identity in a 32 County Ireland", should ban the Irish national flag and anthem from it's activities in the six counties?
Partitionism is alive and well in Roscommon, I doubt. ::)
Full on brother No Surrender Not an Inch.
As we presently have a 6 and 26 Co. Ireland with separate jurisdictions does that mean that basic aim cannot be pursued.
Meanwhile the Ulster Council will have no problems getting funds from Stormont which only covers the 6 Counties.
Disgraceful partitionism.
Meanwhile most GAA people get on with promoting their games without reading page 1 of the T O.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 08, 2020, 05:13:20 PM
Full on brother No Surrender Not an Inch.
::)
So asking that the GAA treats it's members in the north equal to members in the south marks one down as some sort of sectarian, intransigent, neanderthal bigot? We in the north should just accept some lad from Roscommon deciding that we don't deserve our Irishness to be as visible as his?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 08, 2020, 05:13:20 PM
As we presently have a 6 and 26 Co. Ireland with separate jurisdictions does that mean that basic aim cannot be pursued.
So what about there being two juridictions? As far as the GAA organisationally is concerned, there is only one. But sure why don't we go all the way then an ban Gaelic Games completely in the north. After all, it's a different jurisdiction than the south? Or better still, why don't we ban Gaelic Games in the south and only play them in the north? They are different jurisdictions after all, and who says they south should get first call? Point is, six counties being in a different jurisdiction to the 26 has no legal bearing on the right to display the tricolour or to play the national anthem in the north. You are advocating the GAA introduce a partitionist rule
entirely of it's own volition for the first time in it's history.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 08, 2020, 05:13:20 PM
Meanwhile the Ulster Council will have no problems getting funds from Stormont which only covers the 6 Counties.
Disgraceful partitionism.
People in the north pay taxes too.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 08, 2020, 05:13:20 PM
Meanwhile most GAA people get on with promoting their games without reading page 1 of the T O.
Most people also understand that the GAA is an All-Ireland entity and whether or not they know the precise wording from the GAA official guide, would be undoubtedly aware that it's main aims include stengthening the Irish national identity on an All Ireland basis. It's hard to fathom how far removed from reality someone can be for them not to realise
A: how deeply the GAA is connected to people's national identity in the north (and why), and
B: Just how seismic the fallout would be if the GAA of all organisations, decided to ban it's members in the north from displaying the Irish flag or playing the Irish anthem, while continuing to permit such things in the south. The usual sanctimonious free state arrogance and stupidity displayed on a whole new level entirely.
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 08, 2020, 04:08:41 PM
Quote from: MoChara on June 08, 2020, 07:36:40 AM
We could always just play Soccer, sure no-one could be offended then?
Did you just call it soccer? I'm offended, it's called football...
It's soccer. Even soccer men call it soccer.
I'd say Snapeen would be some craic on a night out😆😁.
He wouldn't need to buy chips on the way home anyway.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 08, 2020, 06:27:10 PM
I'd say Snapeen would be some craic on a night out😆😁.
He wouldn't need to buy chips on the way home anyway.
I'd say Ross wouldn't be the sharpest tool in the box, but, critically and most pitifully, no doubt believes he is.
Quote from: Snapchap on June 08, 2020, 06:44:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 08, 2020, 06:27:10 PM
I'd say Snapeen would be some craic on a night out😆😁.
He wouldn't need to buy chips on the way home anyway.
I'd say Ross wouldn't be the sharpest tool in the box, but, critically and most pitifully, no doubt believes he is.
Just your common garden DMZ bot, in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king
Quote from: Rossfan on June 08, 2020, 05:13:20 PM
Full on brother No Surrender Not an Inch.
As we presently have a 6 and 26 Co. Ireland with separate jurisdictions does that mean that basic aim cannot be pursued.
Meanwhile the Ulster Council will have no problems getting funds from Stormont which only covers the 6 Counties.
Disgraceful partitionism.
Meanwhile most GAA people get on with promoting their games without reading page 1 of the T O.
West Brit drivel. The exact same garbage you hear from Unionists. "Oh you want a United ireland but you're happy to take the queens shilling". Last time I checked my taxes were the same as anyone else's. Unfortunately I also pay taxes that contribute towards the Royal family, the British military, trident, foreign policy etc. Something west Brits are probably envious of.
No surrender!
Not an inch!
Why don't ye turn on Jarlath and Bennycake?
Do I detect anti "Free Stare" partitionism?
Is the GAA in breach of its " basic aim" by operating in a 6 and 26 Co Ireland?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 07, 2020, 05:44:53 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 01:04:59 PM
Do the Shanghai Gaels or whoever have to fly an Irish flag and play an Irish Antfem?
My guess is that at the weekend of the Asian games they'll play Abhrann na bhFiann plus the local national anthem before the last match, which would be the senior final in either hurling or football. That's how they do it in the USA where they play the Star Spangled Banner followed by Abhrann na bhFiann before the senior hurling final at the USGAA playoffs. Divisional finals will have a similar protocol. (The football used to be the final event but the senior hurling became such a great spectacle that they switched them around.)
Do they play the local anthem for games in England?
Not at the annual Connacht Championship match in Ruislip anyway.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 02:09:00 PM
No surrender!
Not an inch!
Why don't ye turn on Jarlath and Bennycake?
Do I detect anti "Free Stare" partitionism?
Is the GAA in breach of its " basic aim" by operating in a 6 and 26 Co Ireland?
You're obviously taking the piss and I'm certainly not against the GAA making changes to make the organisation more attractive to those from a Unionist background but have a cop on. The GAA predates partition so your argument is largely irrelevant
That 32 County Ireland piece was added post Partition as far as I'm aware (it wouldn't have arisen before it).
How woul you make it more attractive to those from a Unionist background ?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 02:58:45 PM
That 32 County Ireland piece was added post Partition as far as I'm aware (it wouldn't have arisen before it).
How woul you make it more attractive to those from a Unionist background ?
I'm in favour of limiting the use of the flag/anthem. In my view that's a massive sticking point. Changing the rules around naming clubs, I don't think it's realistic to force clubs to re-name themselves against their wishes but could stop anything controversial happening in the future. More initiatives in schools but that's always an uphill struggle
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 02:09:00 PM
Is the GAA in breach of its " basic aim" by operating in a 6 and 26 Co Ireland?
Is the GAA in breach of it's basic aim (of fostering a national identity on a 32 county basis) by operating on a 32 county basis? No, would be the fairly obvious answer to that one.
The GAA operates organisationally as one jurisdiction. It does not have separate rules for north and south. If it did so, especially by introducing a ban on Irish people in the north from using the Irish flag and anthem (as a free state fool like yourself is advocating), it would quite clearly be a fairly gigantic fundamental breach of it's stated basic aim. Most people wouldn't need that explained to them I'd imagine.
Quote from: general_lee on June 09, 2020, 03:24:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 02:58:45 PM
That 32 County Ireland piece was added post Partition as far as I'm aware (it wouldn't have arisen before it).
How woul you make it more attractive to those from a Unionist background ?
I'm in favour of limiting the use of the flag/anthem. In my view that's a massive sticking point. Changing the rules around naming clubs, I don't think it's realistic to force clubs to re-name themselves against their wishes but could stop anything controversial happening in the future. More initiatives in schools but that's always an uphill struggle
We're in essence singing the same tune.
But better watch your back with Snap around😁.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 05:37:07 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 09, 2020, 03:24:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 02:58:45 PM
That 32 County Ireland piece was added post Partition as far as I'm aware (it wouldn't have arisen before it).
How woul you make it more attractive to those from a Unionist background ?
I'm in favour of limiting the use of the flag/anthem. In my view that's a massive sticking point. Changing the rules around naming clubs, I don't think it's realistic to force clubs to re-name themselves against their wishes but could stop anything controversial happening in the future. More initiatives in schools but that's always an uphill struggle
We're in essence singing the same tune.
But better watch your back with Snap around😁.
To test that theory: General Lee, do you suggest the GAA limits the flag and anthem use nationally? Or like Rossfan, are you suggesting that the GAA continue to allow the flag and anthem be used in the south but should ban it's members in the north from using the flag and anthem entirely?
Only one talking about bans is Snapnotaninch"
My original post was about as part of a protocol by all Sports organisations in the North.
Anyway what percentage of Gaelic games have Amhrán na bhFiann played beforehand?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 08:15:47 PM
Only one talking about bans is Snapnotaninch"
My original post was about as part of a protocol by all Sports organisations in the North.
Anyway what percentage of Gaelic games have Amhrán na bhFiann played beforehand?
So it's not a ban on the GAA using the Irish flag or anthem? It can be called a "protocol" because all sports in the north should have to sign up to it? What exactly is the difference, when a protocol that prohibits members from doing something, is still to all intents and purposes, a ban (that the GAA would have to endorse)?
Quote from: general_lee on June 09, 2020, 03:24:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 02:58:45 PM
That 32 County Ireland piece was added post Partition as far as I'm aware (it wouldn't have arisen before it).
How woul you make it more attractive to those from a Unionist background ?
I'm in favour of limiting the use of the flag/anthem. In my view that's a massive sticking point. Changing the rules around naming clubs, I don't think it's realistic to force clubs to re-name themselves against their wishes but could stop anything controversial happening in the future. More initiatives in schools but that's always an uphill struggle
So you want to pander to the prods and start diluting the GAA culture by going against the aims of the association in a particular part of the country?
Snapchap is bang on the money here. I personally couldnt care less if the prods play or dont play, or if they feel GAA is a 'cold house'. The GAA is what it is, and it's adopted by many people all over the world. If they get offended by a flag and an anthem then they shouldnt be near a pitch in the first place. Plenty of GAA lads have no bother going and playing for protestant football teams. If they want to play, great, if not, who cares. That's my opinion.
Back to the topic, refreshing to see that the club has been formed and I wish them every success
The goals of the GAA include strengthening Irish culture and Irish identity, which is a cultural objective rather than a political objective. If more protestants come into the GAA fold it'll help them connect with a positive projection of Irish culture and feel Irish in a way that is non-threatening, which in my opinion would do a lot to strengthen Irish identity. It would be entirely in keeping with the GAA's goals. Making a few minor concessions on flags and emblems would be a small price to pay for this. In the event of a united Ireland we'll probably have a different flag and anthem anyway, and that is something that can be flown and played at matches north and south post-reunification.
Can anyone enlighten me where the Down/Antrim border is in Belfast? Genuine question as I didn't know Down stretched to Belfast.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 10, 2020, 08:50:47 AM
Can anyone enlighten me where the Down/Antrim border is in Belfast? Genuine question as I didn't know Down stretched to Belfast.
A lot of debate about this but the ormaeu bridge is traditionally where Down Ends and Antrim begins or at least that's what I learned
It's the lagan. So for example Bredagh is one side and play in Down whereas St Malachys is the other and plays in Antrim and they're not overly far apart, (St Malachys would be lower ormeau road and bredagh upper ormeau road).
Youngsters generally start playing at u6 for some clubs, so the aim is to get them in as young as that. Kids aren't born bigoted, it's environmental, so unless they've been brainwashed by 6, most kids I'd imagine have little idea of the us v them situation, or the Irish fundamentals of the GAA. I'd say many Protestant kids would be happy to give it a go, as long as parents allow them.
It'll be a slow process, but even if some parents are suspicious of the GAA, seeing their kids enjoying playing the game might be enough override any issue of Irishness, flag/anthem, club names etc.
So I hope the club is allowed to progress without any bigots or media spouting bitter and twisted comments about flags/anthems, Irish language etc. Let the kids play the game, and I hope it proves a success. Anything that gets kids out exercising is to be encouraged, no matter the sport.
Exactly Benny and like 95%? of Gaelic games participants don't read pages 1 and 2 of T.O.
Quote from: Snapchap on June 09, 2020, 07:46:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 05:37:07 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 09, 2020, 03:24:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 02:58:45 PM
That 32 County Ireland piece was added post Partition as far as I'm aware (it wouldn't have arisen before it).
How woul you make it more attractive to those from a Unionist background ?
I'm in favour of limiting the use of the flag/anthem. In my view that's a massive sticking point. Changing the rules around naming clubs, I don't think it's realistic to force clubs to re-name themselves against their wishes but could stop anything controversial happening in the future. More initiatives in schools but that's always an uphill struggle
We're in essence singing the same tune.
But better watch your back with Snap around😁.
To test that theory: General Lee, do you suggest the GAA limits the flag and anthem use nationally? Or like Rossfan, are you suggesting that the GAA continue to allow the flag and anthem be used in the south but should ban it's members in the north from using the flag and anthem entirely?
Whatever changes should be on a national level. I don't acknowledge the legitimacy of the border separating this country.
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on June 10, 2020, 12:08:21 AM
Quote from: general_lee on June 09, 2020, 03:24:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 02:58:45 PM
That 32 County Ireland piece was added post Partition as far as I'm aware (it wouldn't have arisen before it).
How woul you make it more attractive to those from a Unionist background ?
I’m in favour of limiting the use of the flag/anthem. In my view that’s a massive sticking point. Changing the rules around naming clubs, I don’t think it’s realistic to force clubs to re-name themselves against their wishes but could stop anything controversial happening in the future. More initiatives in schools but that’s always an uphill struggle
So you want to pander to the prods and start diluting the GAA culture by going against the aims of the association in a particular part of the country?
Snapchap is bang on the money here. I personally couldnt care less if the prods play or dont play, or if they feel GAA is a 'cold house'. The GAA is what it is, and it's adopted by many people all over the world. If they get offended by a flag and an anthem then they shouldnt be near a pitch in the first place. Plenty of GAA lads have no bother going and playing for protestant football teams. If they want to play, great, if not, who cares. That's my opinion.
Pandering? If it makes our games more palatable to some of the more middle of the road unionists then I am all for it. I don’t see the need to fly the tricolour at games. I’m every bit an Irish Republican before I set foot on a playing field as I am when I leave it. Last thing I’m worried about is the tricolour. National and provincial finals should suffice. Same for the anthem. I couldn’t give a rats ass there. How many of our members can even sing/understand the lyrics of the song? I was at a club game couple of years ago and some cûnt from Kilcoo beside me was singing it English!!
You have the same attitude as so many
tossers traditionalists in the GAA. Well able to change the rules whenever it stops resembling the 1940s style ruckus they used to play but if it comes to anything remotely progressive it’s a whole song and dance. It’s the same with the complete silence over #BLM movement! Disappointing that a GAA club in Antrim have decided it’s political to have an anti-racist stance!
Quote from: general_lee on June 10, 2020, 12:38:21 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 09, 2020, 07:46:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 05:37:07 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 09, 2020, 03:24:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 02:58:45 PM
That 32 County Ireland piece was added post Partition as far as I'm aware (it wouldn't have arisen before it).
How woul you make it more attractive to those from a Unionist background ?
I'm in favour of limiting the use of the flag/anthem. In my view that's a massive sticking point. Changing the rules around naming clubs, I don't think it's realistic to force clubs to re-name themselves against their wishes but could stop anything controversial happening in the future. More initiatives in schools but that's always an uphill struggle
We're in essence singing the same tune.
But better watch your back with Snap around😁.
To test that theory: General Lee, do you suggest the GAA limits the flag and anthem use nationally? Or like Rossfan, are you suggesting that the GAA continue to allow the flag and anthem be used in the south but should ban it's members in the north from using the flag and anthem entirely?
Whatever changes should be on a national level. I don't acknowledge the legitimacy of the border separating this country.
The people of Ireland voted for said border to stay in 1998 by the way.
The GAA acknowledge it too by pricing admission fees and programmes in 2 currencies in the North.
Quote from: general_lee on June 10, 2020, 12:53:46 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on June 10, 2020, 12:08:21 AM
Quote from: general_lee on June 09, 2020, 03:24:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 02:58:45 PM
That 32 County Ireland piece was added post Partition as far as I'm aware (it wouldn't have arisen before it).
How woul you make it more attractive to those from a Unionist background ?
I'm in favour of limiting the use of the flag/anthem. In my view that's a massive sticking point. Changing the rules around naming clubs, I don't think it's realistic to force clubs to re-name themselves against their wishes but could stop anything controversial happening in the future. More initiatives in schools but that's always an uphill struggle
So you want to pander to the prods and start diluting the GAA culture by going against the aims of the association in a particular part of the country?
Snapchap is bang on the money here. I personally couldnt care less if the prods play or dont play, or if they feel GAA is a 'cold house'. The GAA is what it is, and it's adopted by many people all over the world. If they get offended by a flag and an anthem then they shouldnt be near a pitch in the first place. Plenty of GAA lads have no bother going and playing for protestant football teams. If they want to play, great, if not, who cares. That's my opinion.
Pandering? If it makes our games more palatable to some of the more middle of the road unionists then I am all for it. I don't see the need to fly the tricolour at games. I'm every bit an Irish Republican before I set foot on a playing field as I am when I leave it. Last thing I'm worried about is the tricolour. National and provincial finals should suffice. Same for the anthem. I couldn't give a rats ass there. How many of our members can even sing/understand the lyrics of the song? I was at a club game couple of years ago and some cûnt from Kilcoo beside me was singing it English!!
You have the same attitude as so many tossers traditionalists in the GAA. Well able to change the rules whenever it stops resembling the 1940s style ruckus they used to play but if it comes to anything remotely progressive it's a whole song and dance. It's the same with the complete silence over #BLM movement! Disappointing that a GAA club in Antrim have decided it's political to have an anti-racist stance!
The GAA promotes Irish culture and everything that comes with it, that's the way it is and always has been, if they don't like it, tough. They're easily offended if that's what they're worried about.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 10, 2020, 01:11:00 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 10, 2020, 12:38:21 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 09, 2020, 07:46:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 05:37:07 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 09, 2020, 03:24:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 02:58:45 PM
That 32 County Ireland piece was added post Partition as far as I'm aware (it wouldn't have arisen before it).
How woul you make it more attractive to those from a Unionist background ?
I'm in favour of limiting the use of the flag/anthem. In my view that's a massive sticking point. Changing the rules around naming clubs, I don't think it's realistic to force clubs to re-name themselves against their wishes but could stop anything controversial happening in the future. More initiatives in schools but that's always an uphill struggle
We're in essence singing the same tune.
But better watch your back with Snap around😁.
To test that theory: General Lee, do you suggest the GAA limits the flag and anthem use nationally? Or like Rossfan, are you suggesting that the GAA continue to allow the flag and anthem be used in the south but should ban it's members in the north from using the flag and anthem entirely?
Whatever changes should be on a national level. I don't acknowledge the legitimacy of the border separating this country.
The people of Ireland voted for said border to stay in 1998 by the way.
The GAA acknowledge it too by pricing admission fees and programmes in 2 currencies in the North.
Wrong. There was no poll on the border in 1998.
That's because there are two currencies used in Ireland.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 10, 2020, 01:11:00 PM
The people of Ireland voted for said border to stay in 1998 by the way.
Now there's a spectacular a bit of f@#kwittery as you're ever likely to read on this website.
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on June 10, 2020, 01:34:58 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 10, 2020, 12:53:46 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on June 10, 2020, 12:08:21 AM
Quote from: general_lee on June 09, 2020, 03:24:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 02:58:45 PM
That 32 County Ireland piece was added post Partition as far as I'm aware (it wouldn't have arisen before it).
How woul you make it more attractive to those from a Unionist background ?
I'm in favour of limiting the use of the flag/anthem. In my view that's a massive sticking point. Changing the rules around naming clubs, I don't think it's realistic to force clubs to re-name themselves against their wishes but could stop anything controversial happening in the future. More initiatives in schools but that's always an uphill struggle
So you want to pander to the prods and start diluting the GAA culture by going against the aims of the association in a particular part of the country?
Snapchap is bang on the money here. I personally couldnt care less if the prods play or dont play, or if they feel GAA is a 'cold house'. The GAA is what it is, and it's adopted by many people all over the world. If they get offended by a flag and an anthem then they shouldnt be near a pitch in the first place. Plenty of GAA lads have no bother going and playing for protestant football teams. If they want to play, great, if not, who cares. That's my opinion.
Pandering? If it makes our games more palatable to some of the more middle of the road unionists then I am all for it. I don't see the need to fly the tricolour at games. I'm every bit an Irish Republican before I set foot on a playing field as I am when I leave it. Last thing I'm worried about is the tricolour. National and provincial finals should suffice. Same for the anthem. I couldn't give a rats ass there. How many of our members can even sing/understand the lyrics of the song? I was at a club game couple of years ago and some cûnt from Kilcoo beside me was singing it English!!
You have the same attitude as so many tossers traditionalists in the GAA. Well able to change the rules whenever it stops resembling the 1940s style ruckus they used to play but if it comes to anything remotely progressive it's a whole song and dance. It's the same with the complete silence over #BLM movement! Disappointing that a GAA club in Antrim have decided it's political to have an anti-racist stance!
The GAA promotes Irish culture and everything that comes with it, that's the way it is and always has been, if they don't like it, tough. They're easily offended if that's what they're worried about.
There's more to Irish culture than a flag and anthem
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Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 02:58:45 PM
That 32 County Ireland piece was added post Partition as far as I'm aware (it wouldn't have arisen before it).
How woul you make it more attractive to those from a Unionist background ?
I'm in favour of limiting the use of the flag/anthem. In my view that's a massive sticking point. Changing the rules around naming clubs, I don't think it's realistic to force clubs to re-name themselves against their wishes but could stop anything controversial happening in the future. More initiatives in schools but that's always an uphill struggle
So you want to pander to the prods and start diluting the GAA culture by going against the aims of the association in a particular part of the country?
Snapchap is bang on the money here. I personally couldnt care less if the prods play or dont play, or if they feel GAA is a 'cold house'. The GAA is what it is, and it's adopted by many people all over the world. If they get offended by a flag and an anthem then they shouldnt be near a pitch in the first place. Plenty of GAA lads have no bother going and playing for protestant football teams. If they want to play, great, if not, who cares. That's my opinion.
Pandering? If it makes our games more palatable to some of the more middle of the road unionists then I am all for it. I don't see the need to fly the tricolour at games. I'm every bit an Irish Republican before I set foot on a playing field as I am when I leave it. Last thing I'm worried about is the tricolour. National and provincial finals should suffice. Same for the anthem. I couldn't give a rats ass there. How many of our members can even sing/understand the lyrics of the song? I was at a club game couple of years ago and some cûnt from Kilcoo beside me was singing it English!!
You have the same attitude as so many tossers traditionalists in the GAA. Well able to change the rules whenever it stops resembling the 1940s style ruckus they used to play but if it comes to anything remotely progressive it's a whole song and dance. It's the same with the complete silence over #BLM movement! Disappointing that a GAA club in Antrim have decided it's political to have an anti-racist stance!
Do you really believe it will make the games more palatable to anyone? We have clubs, grounds and competitions named after people they perceive to be terrorists. Don't you think that would be much more of a sticking point?
For me, it's meaningless tokenism that will achieve fcuk all. Also, why are you intent on keeping them for some games? Should Unionists just suck it up or not attend those games?
As for the man in Kilcoo singing the anthem, he's just a traditionalist singing the original.
Yes, why wouldn't it? Realistically there are how many hundreds of clubs? And one "offensively" Named one in Derry? How many offensive competitions are there? How many offensive grounds? Four? Considering Unionist politicians have made a point of avoiding the anthem any time it was played at games they've attended it would clearly be seen as more than tokenism
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Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 02:58:45 PM
That 32 County Ireland piece was added post Partition as far as I'm aware (it wouldn't have arisen before it).
How woul you make it more attractive to those from a Unionist background ?
I'm in favour of limiting the use of the flag/anthem. In my view that's a massive sticking point. Changing the rules around naming clubs, I don't think it's realistic to force clubs to re-name themselves against their wishes but could stop anything controversial happening in the future. More initiatives in schools but that's always an uphill struggle
So you want to pander to the prods and start diluting the GAA culture by going against the aims of the association in a particular part of the country?
Snapchap is bang on the money here. I personally couldnt care less if the prods play or dont play, or if they feel GAA is a 'cold house'. The GAA is what it is, and it's adopted by many people all over the world. If they get offended by a flag and an anthem then they shouldnt be near a pitch in the first place. Plenty of GAA lads have no bother going and playing for protestant football teams. If they want to play, great, if not, who cares. That's my opinion.
Pandering? If it makes our games more palatable to some of the more middle of the road unionists then I am all for it. I don't see the need to fly the tricolour at games. I'm every bit an Irish Republican before I set foot on a playing field as I am when I leave it. Last thing I'm worried about is the tricolour. National and provincial finals should suffice. Same for the anthem. I couldn't give a rats ass there. How many of our members can even sing/understand the lyrics of the song? I was at a club game couple of years ago and some cûnt from Kilcoo beside me was singing it English!!
You have the same attitude as so many tossers traditionalists in the GAA. Well able to change the rules whenever it stops resembling the 1940s style ruckus they used to play but if it comes to anything remotely progressive it's a whole song and dance. It's the same with the complete silence over #BLM movement! Disappointing that a GAA club in Antrim have decided it's political to have an anti-racist stance!
Do you really believe it will make the games more palatable to anyone? We have clubs, grounds and competitions named after people they perceive to be terrorists. Don't you think that would be much more of a sticking point?
For me, it's meaningless tokenism that will achieve fcuk all. Also, why are you intent on keeping them for some games? Should Unionists just suck it up or not attend those games?
As for the man in Kilcoo singing the anthem, he's just a traditionalist singing the original.
Yes, why wouldn't it? Realistically there are how many hundreds of clubs? And one "offensively" Named one in Derry? How many offensive competitions are there? How many offensive grounds? Four? Considering Unionist politicians have made a point of avoiding the anthem any time it was played at games they've attended it would clearly be seen as more than tokenism
Not quite, it says more about them that they haven't even the respect to stand for the anthem. Not the GAA's problem in order to appease bitter people.
I know it's speaks volumes for the bitterness of unionists and I can take or leave those types getting involved in the GAA. If moderate types were more open to our games then I don't see what the big deal is.
Quote from: general_lee on June 10, 2020, 02:22:17 PM
I know it's speaks volumes for the bitterness of unionists and I can take or leave those types getting involved in the GAA. If moderate types were more open to our games then I don't see what the big deal is.
I agree, no harm in moderate types playing and getting involved and i know of ones who do, but personally im not all about changing the whole way things are done across the country just for the sake of trying to attract a handful of moderate unionists thats all.
The rugby crowd is totally different. It's mostly a class thing. They also have an additional anthem to accommodate them.
Pre-69 you're going into Nelson McCausland territory, again I am referring to moderate unionists who might be swayed by a simple gesture that IMO we have nothing to lose from. If it doesn't work bring them back?
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Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on June 10, 2020, 12:08:21 AM
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Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 02:58:45 PM
That 32 County Ireland piece was added post Partition as far as I'm aware (it wouldn't have arisen before it).
How woul you make it more attractive to those from a Unionist background ?
I'm in favour of limiting the use of the flag/anthem. In my view that's a massive sticking point. Changing the rules around naming clubs, I don't think it's realistic to force clubs to re-name themselves against their wishes but could stop anything controversial happening in the future. More initiatives in schools but that's always an uphill struggle
So you want to pander to the prods and start diluting the GAA culture by going against the aims of the association in a particular part of the country?
Snapchap is bang on the money here. I personally couldnt care less if the prods play or dont play, or if they feel GAA is a 'cold house'. The GAA is what it is, and it's adopted by many people all over the world. If they get offended by a flag and an anthem then they shouldnt be near a pitch in the first place. Plenty of GAA lads have no bother going and playing for protestant football teams. If they want to play, great, if not, who cares. That's my opinion.
Pandering? If it makes our games more palatable to some of the more middle of the road unionists then I am all for it. I don't see the need to fly the tricolour at games. I'm every bit an Irish Republican before I set foot on a playing field as I am when I leave it. Last thing I'm worried about is the tricolour. National and provincial finals should suffice. Same for the anthem. I couldn't give a rats ass there. How many of our members can even sing/understand the lyrics of the song? I was at a club game couple of years ago and some cûnt from Kilcoo beside me was singing it English!!
You have the same attitude as so many tossers traditionalists in the GAA. Well able to change the rules whenever it stops resembling the 1940s style ruckus they used to play but if it comes to anything remotely progressive it's a whole song and dance. It's the same with the complete silence over #BLM movement! Disappointing that a GAA club in Antrim have decided it's political to have an anti-racist stance!
The GAA promotes Irish culture and everything that comes with it, that's the way it is and always has been, if they don't like it, tough. They're easily offended if that's what they're worried about.
There's more to Irish culture than a flag and anthem
Yes, absolutely
Protestant Unionist rugby types have no particular problem with Tricolour/Anthem in the 26 Cos as they see themselves in a foreign Country where they respect that State's flag and Anthem, same as if they were in Denmark, Holland etc.
They don't see it as having any place in the 6 as it's part of the "UK ".
The 2 diehard Not an inch bucks must have avoided reading the bit in the Good Friday Agreement that says the North remains in the "UK" until a majority in the North and 26 vote otherwise.
Typical SF selected memories ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on June 10, 2020, 03:30:44 PM
Protestant Unionist rugby types have no particular problem with Tricolour/Anthem in the 26 Cos as they see themselves in a foreign Country where they respect that State's flag and Anthem, same as if they were in Denmark, Holland etc.
They don't see it as having any place in the 6 as it's part of the "UK ".
The 2 diehard Not an inch bucks must have avoided reading the bit in the Good Friday Agreement that says the North remains in the "UK" until a majority in the North and 26 vote otherwise.
Typical SF selected memories ;D
So first it's that the GAA should ban people in the north (but only the north) from using the Irish flag & anthem, and now it's that you reckon the people of Ireland voted "in favour" of the border in 1998?
Any other gems for us?
P.s. I do enjoy this "diehard not an inch buck" label being applied to me because I believe that a 32 county organisation should have the same set of rules for all 32 counties. If that makes me a "diehard not an inch buck", I'll take it, no problem at all.
Beats being an arrogant, sanctimonious, dictitorial, 'do as I say but not as I do" partitionist, any day of the week.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 10, 2020, 03:30:44 PM
Protestant Unionist rugby types have no particular problem with Tricolour/Anthem in the 26 Cos as they see themselves in a foreign Country where they respect that State's flag and Anthem, same as if they were in Denmark, Holland etc.
They don't see it as having any place in the 6 as it's part of the "UK ".
The 2 diehard Not an inch bucks must have avoided reading the bit in the Good Friday Agreement that says the North remains in the "UK" until a majority in the North and 26 vote otherwise.
Typical SF selected memories ;D
Wrong again. You said that there was a vote in 1998 on whether the border "stayed" but that's incorrect. It was a vote on ending the conflict and setting out plans for a potential border poll in the future, but it was not in itself a border poll, which you alluded that it was.
Happy to set the "sell-out every inch to the brits" buck straight on this. ;D
Squirm away Snap and th'other lad but the GFA which the people of Ireland voted to accept maintained the border.
I know SFites try to airbrush that but they agreed it too in negotiations.
Snap I never told anyone to do as I say, I merely expressed an opinion on sports bodies using flags in the 6 Cos.
All I can say for your name calling is that you're one of those narrow minded extremists that will prevent the people of the 26 voting for a UI when the time comes.
Now cop on to yourself and let us all express our opinions without your bitter bile.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 10, 2020, 04:21:38 PM
Squirm away Snap and th'other lad but the GFA which the people of Ireland voted to accept maintained the border.
I know SFites try to airbrush that but they agreed it too in negotiations.
Snap I never told anyone to do as I say, I merely expressed an opinion on sports bodies using flags in the 6 Cos.
All I can say for your name calling is that you're one of those narrow minded extremists that will prevent the people of the 26 voting for a UI when the time comes.
Now cop on to yourself and let us all express our opinions without your bitter bile.
Wrong again ;D Even if the GFA was overwhelmingly voted against, the border would've remained anyway.
I know holier-than-thou freestaters try to airbrush that to try to let on it was an indirect border poll to deflect and put the reason for continued partition on the people of the North but sure..
Quote from: hardstation on June 10, 2020, 02:45:54 PM
That is if you consider removing one of the founding aims of the association as "nothing to lose" I suppose. And doing so for meaningless tokenism.
I don't know if you still play or if you ever have played but the last thing I care about is hearing the anthem or seeing the tricolour when I step onto the pitch. If limiting the use of both flag and anthem to national and provincial finals is removing one of the founding aims of the association then by all means remove it.
QuoteI'm not sure how the rugby crowd can be brushed off as just "totally different" either. That's pretty convenient. They are people from the Protestant and Unionists spectrum who are able to attend sporting events which include symbols of Irish national identity, notably the flag and anthem and do not feel threatened nor are they put off returning. However, they aren't attracted to our sports and we think it might have something to do with the flag & anthem? That makes no sense to me.
My experience of the rugby crowd is they don't care too much when push comes to shove. They're all middle class, when they go to Dublin they're surrounded by other middle class people who likewise aren't into identity politics. They IRFU have also compromised on the anthem and fly more than one flag and most people are happy to settle with it which you seem blissfully unaware of. I just don't see the big deal with not flying the tricolour all the time at all matches.
Quote from: hardstation on June 10, 2020, 02:45:54 PM
That is if you consider removing one of the founding aims of the association as "nothing to lose" I suppose. And doing so for meaningless tokenism.
I'm not sure how the rugby crowd can be brushed off as just "totally different" either. That's pretty convenient. They are people from the Protestant and Unionists spectrum who are able to attend sporting events which include symbols of Irish national identity, notably the flag and anthem and do not feel threatened nor are they put off returning. However, they aren't attracted to our sports and we think it might have something to do with the flag & anthem? That makes no sense to me.
The issue may be that the GAA espouses a 32 county Ireland, making it political. The flag and anthem cannot be completely seperated from that. They have no issue at Ireland rugby matches as the IRFU has no such stated political aspirations. As another poster has also pointed out, it's also in a different jurisdiction so people are happy to stand and show their respect.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 10, 2020, 04:21:38 PM
Squirm away Snap and th'other lad but the GFA which the people of Ireland voted to accept maintained the border.
I know SFites try to airbrush that but they agreed it too in negotiations.
Snap I never told anyone to do as I say, I merely expressed an opinion on sports bodies using flags in the 6 Cos.
All I can say for your name calling is that you're one of those narrow minded extremists that will prevent the people of the 26 voting for a UI when the time comes.
Now cop on to yourself and let us all express our opinions without your bitter bile.
TBF you would do well to do the same. How many of your posts are littered with "Nordies" "SFites", "not an inch bucks" etc.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 10, 2020, 04:21:38 PM
Squirm away Snap and th'other lad but the GFA which the people of Ireland voted to accept maintained the border.
I know SFites try to airbrush that but they agreed it too in negotiations.
Snap I never told anyone to do as I say, I merely expressed an opinion on sports bodies using flags in the 6 Cos.
All I can say for your name calling is that you're one of those narrow minded extremists that will prevent the people of the 26 voting for a UI when the time comes.
Now cop on to yourself and let us all express our opinions without your bitter bile.
The GFA was a tacit withdrawal by the British government leaving the destiny of this island in the hands of the people who live here. It's an internationally binding agreement that allows for reunification. The border is virtually nonexistent. Nobody voted to "maintain" it
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Quote from: general_lee on June 10, 2020, 04:33:59 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 10, 2020, 02:45:54 PM
That is if you consider removing one of the founding aims of the association as "nothing to lose" I suppose. And doing so for meaningless tokenism.
I don't know if you still play or if you ever have played but the last thing I care about is hearing the anthem or seeing the tricolour when I step onto the pitch. If limiting the use of both flag and anthem to national and provincial finals is removing one of the founding aims of the association then by all means remove it.
QuoteI'm not sure how the rugby crowd can be brushed off as just "totally different" either. That's pretty convenient. They are people from the Protestant and Unionists spectrum who are able to attend sporting events which include symbols of Irish national identity, notably the flag and anthem and do not feel threatened nor are they put off returning. However, they aren't attracted to our sports and we think it might have something to do with the flag & anthem? That makes no sense to me.
My experience of the rugby crowd is they don't care too much when push comes to shove. They're all middle class, when they go to Dublin they're surrounded by other middle class people who likewise aren't into identity politics. They IRFU have also compromised on the anthem and fly more than one flag and most people are happy to settle with it which you seem blissfully unaware of. I just don't see the big deal with not flying the tricolour all the time at all matches.
Yet those rugby people aren't coming to our games! Why?
It's obviously not the flag or anthem. Could there be something else? Would the GAA's ties to republicanism possibly be it?
How do you know they don't?! Most rugby clubs i know have links with GAA clubs. Sure a rugby club on the cregagh road has offered their facilities to this new East Belfast GAA crowd! One of the fellas behind it is a rugby player!
Quote from: hardstation on June 10, 2020, 04:11:48 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 10, 2020, 03:30:44 PM
Protestant Unionist rugby types have no particular problem with Tricolour/Anthem in the 26 Cos as they see themselves in a foreign Country where they respect that State's flag and Anthem, same as if they were in Denmark, Holland etc.
They don't see it as having any place in the 6 as it's part of the "UK ".
The 2 diehard Not an inch bucks must have avoided reading the bit in the Good Friday Agreement that says the North remains in the "UK" until a majority in the North and 26 vote otherwise.
Typical SF selected memories ;D
Are they heading to any GAA games in the south in any great numbers? They either have a problem with the flag & anthem in Irish sport or they don't. And they don't.
I don't see how you can't see a much bigger elephant in the room for them. Or you do and you choose to ignore it as you really aren't willing to concede that much. The flag & anthem in the GAA means little to you so you are happy to give them up....but not anything else.....you don't want them that much!
You'd better explain that last para Hardstation, I don't get what you're alluding to.
Quote from: hardstation on June 10, 2020, 04:54:10 PM
I don't see an influx of Protestant or Unionist rugby people into the GAA. Maybe you do.
Who said anything about an influx of unionists flocking to the GAA? It's about changing hearts and minds not about getting the rugby crowd to swap codes.
It's one suggestion that I'm in favour of and you say it's only tokenism and that it's also a founding aim of our organisation. I beg to differ, I think our organisation stands for a lot more than a rusty flag pole and some wee fat culchie slaughtering the anthem.
Will Hardstation be bringing a motion to his County Convention to drop all Republican/Nationalist heroes' names from Clubs and Grounds?
Another one to set up a separate 6 Co Branch of the GAA?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 10, 2020, 04:21:38 PM
Squirm away Snap and th'other lad but the GFA which the people of Ireland voted to accept maintained the border. I know SFites try to airbrush that but they agreed it too in negotiations.
The GFA has already been explained to you by another poster, but it was a peace treaty, not a border poll. Basic stuff.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 10, 2020, 04:21:38 PM
Snap I never told anyone to do as I say, I merely expressed an opinion on sports bodies using flags in the 6 Cos.
You want the GAA, which DOES NOT DO PARTITIONED RULES, to introduce a ban on something for us in the north that you in the south would not have to be faced with. If you want the flag and anthem forbidden from use in the north, then maybe at least have the intelligence accept that the GAA is an All-Ireland institution, and as a result, the only way it would ban the use of the flag & anthem would be nationally. Yet, even though that is the only possible course of action the GAA could even for such a ban, it's something which you are not seemingly calling out for. Hence, it's very much a case of "do as I say, not as I do".
Quote from: Rossfan on June 10, 2020, 04:21:38 PM
All I can say for your name calling is that you're one of those narrow minded extremists that will prevent the people of the 26 voting for a UI when the time comes.
Now cop on to yourself and let us all express our opinions without your bitter bile.
See you are happy to complain about name calling, but yet simply because I object to the idea that the GAA would ban it's members only in the six counties from flying our flag and playing our anthem, you have been quick off the mark to label me as a bitter, intransigent, not-an-inch bigot. To borrow a phrase: away and cop on to yourself. You are expecting GAA people in the north to make a sacrifice that you have seemingly no interest in making yourself, and yet if we in the north object, you have the utter shamelessnes to call us bitter? Absolutely pathetic stuff.
Quote from: Snapchap on June 10, 2020, 05:32:08 PM
You are expecting GAA people in the north to make a sacrifice that you have seemingly no interest in making yourself, and yet if we in the north object, you have the utter shamelessnes to call us bitter? Absolutely pathetic stuff.
No, but we don't have a situation in the south where 50% of the population will close the curtains if a game broke out in their back garden.
If you want the GAA to remain a nationalist game with nationalist trappings, fine. But you have to accept that tbe unionsrs will continue to flat out don't want to know.
But if the GAA take cross community peace and love funding, some compromises have to be made.
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Quote from: Rossfan on June 10, 2020, 01:11:00 PM
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Quote from: Snapchap on June 09, 2020, 07:46:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 05:37:07 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 09, 2020, 03:24:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2020, 02:58:45 PM
That 32 County Ireland piece was added post Partition as far as I'm aware (it wouldn't have arisen before it).
How woul you make it more attractive to those from a Unionist background ?
I'm in favour of limiting the use of the flag/anthem. In my view that's a massive sticking point. Changing the rules around naming clubs, I don't think it's realistic to force clubs to re-name themselves against their wishes but could stop anything controversial happening in the future. More initiatives in schools but that's always an uphill struggle
We're in essence singing the same tune.
But better watch your back with Snap around😁.
To test that theory: General Lee, do you suggest the GAA limits the flag and anthem use nationally? Or like Rossfan, are you suggesting that the GAA continue to allow the flag and anthem be used in the south but should ban it's members in the north from using the flag and anthem entirely?
Whatever changes should be on a national level. I don't acknowledge the legitimacy of the border separating this country.
The people of Ireland voted for said border to stay in 1998 by the way.
The GAA acknowledge it too by pricing admission fees and programmes in 2 currencies in the North.
Wrong. There was no poll on the border in 1998.
That's because there are two currencies used in Ireland.
So Articles 2 and 3 were deleted without consulting the voters? Shocking.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 08:40:41 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 10, 2020, 05:32:08 PM
You are expecting GAA people in the north to make a sacrifice that you have seemingly no interest in making yourself, and yet if we in the north object, you have the utter shamelessnes to call us bitter? Absolutely pathetic stuff.
No, but we don't have a situation in the south where 50% of the population will close the curtains if a game broke out in their back garden.
If you want the GAA to remain a nationalist game with nationalist trappings, fine. But you have to accept that tbe unionsrs will continue to flat out don't want to know.
But if the GAA take cross community peace and love funding, some compromises have to be made.
My point is that it doesn't matter how many unionists there are in the south. The GAA is an All-Ireland body. If somone in the south believes rightly or wrongly that the anthem and flag should be scrapped to accomodate unionists in the north, then it would have to be either an All-Ireland ban or nothing. The GAA never has, and never will have, separate rules for north and south. If you are as someone from the south are not prepared to make that sacrifice for the sake of appeasing unionists, then don't ask/demand that others should.
Quote from: Snapchap on June 10, 2020, 09:12:24 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 08:40:41 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 10, 2020, 05:32:08 PM
You are expecting GAA people in the north to make a sacrifice that you have seemingly no interest in making yourself, and yet if we in the north object, you have the utter shamelessnes to call us bitter? Absolutely pathetic stuff.
No, but we don't have a situation in the south where 50% of the population will close the curtains if a game broke out in their back garden.
If you want the GAA to remain a nationalist game with nationalist trappings, fine. But you have to accept that tbe unionsrs will continue to flat out don't want to know.
But if the GAA take cross community peace and love funding, some compromises have to be made.
My point is that it doesn't matter how many unionists there are in the south. The GAA is an All-Ireland body. If somone in the south believes rightly or wrongly that the anthem and flag should be scrapped to accomodate unionists in the north, then it would have to be either an All-Ireland ban or nothing. The GAA never has, and never will have, separate rules for north and south. If you are as someone from the south are not prepared to make that sacrifice for the sake of appeasing unionists, then don't ask/demand that others should.
I get that.
But the Ulster Council crossed that rubicon the second they took peace dividend money. Commitments were made to be more 'inclusive'. So the question is why a club in Kerry should have to remove its tricolour so a club in Fermanagh can get grants.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 09:26:21 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 10, 2020, 09:12:24 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 08:40:41 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 10, 2020, 05:32:08 PM
You are expecting GAA people in the north to make a sacrifice that you have seemingly no interest in making yourself, and yet if we in the north object, you have the utter shamelessnes to call us bitter? Absolutely pathetic stuff.
No, but we don't have a situation in the south where 50% of the population will close the curtains if a game broke out in their back garden.
If you want the GAA to remain a nationalist game with nationalist trappings, fine. But you have to accept that tbe unionsrs will continue to flat out don't want to know.
But if the GAA take cross community peace and love funding, some compromises have to be made.
My point is that it doesn't matter how many unionists there are in the south. The GAA is an All-Ireland body. If somone in the south believes rightly or wrongly that the anthem and flag should be scrapped to accomodate unionists in the north, then it would have to be either an All-Ireland ban or nothing. The GAA never has, and never will have, separate rules for north and south. If you are as someone from the south are not prepared to make that sacrifice for the sake of appeasing unionists, then don't ask/demand that others should.
I get that.
But the Ulster Council crossed that rubicon the second they took peace dividend money. Commitments were made to be more 'inclusive'. So the question is why a club in Kerry should have to remove its tricolour so a club in Fermanagh can get grants.
Entitlement to grant aid is a long way away from the GAA introducting a partitioned set of rules. Many funders offer grant aid on highly localised geographic eligibility. But there's still
one national GAA rulebook that all units are bound by.
If a club in Fermanagh decides to apply for some sort of cross community grant aid there are other means aside from banning a flag and anthem that can demomstrate a committment to cross community work. And GAA members in the north are taxpayers with every right to apply for grant aid. And anyway, the debate wasn't about being cross community to get money. It was about how to attract unionist members.
So again, if someone from the south feels strongly enough about the feelings of northern unionists towards the GAA, then as members of an All- Ireland organisation, they are bound by national rules. They can freely advocate that the GAA ban the use of the flag and anthem. They can not however, advocate that the rule change only apply in one jurisdiction and sanctimoniously ask that some members of our organisation be bound by rules they are not prepared to be bound by themselves, for a cause that they claim to care so much for.
For anyone in the 26 thinking that the removal or flag and anthem from the game will make the game more appealing and cross community to Unionists please read what happened when the Head of the PSNI wanted to change the emblem/naming of the PSNI in the last couple of days.
They were in uproar because "Northern Ireland" was being removed from the badge - They have no interest in cross-community and are in fear of anything that is Irish
Quote from: Snapchap on June 10, 2020, 09:54:31 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 09:26:21 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 10, 2020, 09:12:24 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 08:40:41 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 10, 2020, 05:32:08 PM
You are expecting GAA people in the north to make a sacrifice that you have seemingly no interest in making yourself, and yet if we in the north object, you have the utter shamelessnes to call us bitter? Absolutely pathetic stuff.
No, but we don't have a situation in the south where 50% of the population will close the curtains if a game broke out in their back garden.
If you want the GAA to remain a nationalist game with nationalist trappings, fine. But you have to accept that tbe unionsrs will continue to flat out don't want to know.
But if the GAA take cross community peace and love funding, some compromises have to be made.
My point is that it doesn't matter how many unionists there are in the south. The GAA is an All-Ireland body. If somone in the south believes rightly or wrongly that the anthem and flag should be scrapped to accomodate unionists in the north, then it would have to be either an All-Ireland ban or nothing. The GAA never has, and never will have, separate rules for north and south. If you are as someone from the south are not prepared to make that sacrifice for the sake of appeasing unionists, then don't ask/demand that others should.
I get that.
But the Ulster Council crossed that rubicon the second they took peace dividend money. Commitments were made to be more 'inclusive'. So the question is why a club in Kerry should have to remove its tricolour so a club in Fermanagh can get grants.
Entitlement to grant aid is a long way away from the GAA introducting a partitioned set of rules. Many funders offer grant aid on highly localised geographic eligibility. But there's still one national GAA rulebook that all units are bound by.
If a club in Fermanagh decides to apply for some sort of cross community grant aid there are other means aside from banning a flag and anthem that can demomstrate a committment to cross community work. And GAA members in the north are taxpayers with every right to apply for grant aid. And anyway, the debate wasn't about being cross community to get money. It was about how to attract unionist members.
So again, if someone from the south feels strongly enough about the feelings of northern unionists towards the GAA, then as members of an All- Ireland organisation, they are bound by national rules. They can freely advocate that the GAA ban the use of the flag and anthem. They can not however, advocate that the rule change only apply in one jurisdiction and sanctimoniously ask that some members of our organisation be bound by rules they are not prepared to be bound by themselves, for a cause that they claim to care so much for.
It's not that simple and you know it.
You take cross community money, you have to change your ways to try and become, well, cross community. If you have no intention of doing so, its basically fraud.
The issue is the rules and unionists are not compatible. I agree that changing the rules just to appease unionists who aren't interested is facile. The discussion should be about changing rules because they are dated and need an overhaul. The GAA in 1884 and the GAA in 2020 are different organisations with different aims, yet we are stuck with a constitution that is more political than sporting. Time to rewrite it because it needs rewriting. If unionists fall in line as a result, thats nice.
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 10, 2020, 10:13:17 PM
For anyone in the 26 thinking that the removal or flag and anthem from the game will make the game more appealing and cross community to Unionists please read what happened when the Head of the PSNI wanted to change the emblem/naming of the PSNI in the last couple of days.
They were in uproar because "Northern Ireland" was being removed from the badge - They have no interest in cross-community and are in fear of anything that is Irish
I don't think anyone does.
But the reality is our prods and whatnot are fully integrated into the games. Yours aren't. So do you want them involved? If not, carry on. If so, changes are required. That may require the constitution being amended to drop the aspiration for a UI and the homoerotic Celtic manhood shite. But that should probably have gone years ago. If it drops a barrier to unionists, thsts a positive side product.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 09:26:21 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 10, 2020, 09:12:24 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 08:40:41 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 10, 2020, 05:32:08 PM
You are expecting GAA people in the north to make a sacrifice that you have seemingly no interest in making yourself, and yet if we in the north object, you have the utter shamelessnes to call us bitter? Absolutely pathetic stuff.
No, but we don't have a situation in the south where 50% of the population will close the curtains if a game broke out in their back garden.
If you want the GAA to remain a nationalist game with nationalist trappings, fine. But you have to accept that tbe unionsrs will continue to flat out don't want to know.
But if the GAA take cross community peace and love funding, some compromises have to be made.
My point is that it doesn't matter how many unionists there are in the south. The GAA is an All-Ireland body. If somone in the south believes rightly or wrongly that the anthem and flag should be scrapped to accomodate unionists in the north, then it would have to be either an All-Ireland ban or nothing. The GAA never has, and never will have, separate rules for north and south. If you are as someone from the south are not prepared to make that sacrifice for the sake of appeasing unionists, then don't ask/demand that others should.
I get that.
But the Ulster Council crossed that rubicon the second they took peace dividend money. Commitments were made to be more 'inclusive'. So the question is why a club in Kerry should have to remove its tricolour so a club in Fermanagh can get grants.
Absolute bullshít. Our members in the north were butchered. Our club houses burnt to the ground. Our players harassed. Our facilities vandalised. Zero help from local councils. Members assassinated by the army/UDR/Loyalists/RUC. Have never seen such a warped idiotic post.
Quote from: general_lee on June 10, 2020, 10:30:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 09:26:21 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 10, 2020, 09:12:24 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 08:40:41 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 10, 2020, 05:32:08 PM
You are expecting GAA people in the north to make a sacrifice that you have seemingly no interest in making yourself, and yet if we in the north object, you have the utter shamelessnes to call us bitter? Absolutely pathetic stuff.
No, but we don't have a situation in the south where 50% of the population will close the curtains if a game broke out in their back garden.
If you want the GAA to remain a nationalist game with nationalist trappings, fine. But you have to accept that tbe unionsrs will continue to flat out don't want to know.
But if the GAA take cross community peace and love funding, some compromises have to be made.
My point is that it doesn't matter how many unionists there are in the south. The GAA is an All-Ireland body. If somone in the south believes rightly or wrongly that the anthem and flag should be scrapped to accomodate unionists in the north, then it would have to be either an All-Ireland ban or nothing. The GAA never has, and never will have, separate rules for north and south. If you are as someone from the south are not prepared to make that sacrifice for the sake of appeasing unionists, then don't ask/demand that others should.
I get that.
But the Ulster Council crossed that rubicon the second they took peace dividend money. Commitments were made to be more 'inclusive'. So the question is why a club in Kerry should have to remove its tricolour so a club in Fermanagh can get grants.
Absolute bullshít. Our members in the north were butchered. Our club houses burnt to the ground. Our players harassed. Our facilities vandalised. Zero help from local councils. Members assassinated by the army/UDR/Loyalists/RUC. Have never seen such a warped idiotic post.
What possible relevance is that little history lesson to the topic in hand?
The Ulster Council signed up to various schemes and took money on the basis the GAA in the 6 would become more cross community. What was peoples expectation? That nothing could or would change?
Giving out that southerners are somehow trying to introduce partition is creating the partition you are whining about.
QuoteWhat possible relevance is that little history lesson to the topic in hand?
The Ulster Council signed up to various schemes and took money on the basis the GAA in the 6 would become more cross community. What was peoples expectation? That nothing could or would change?
Giving out that southerners are somehow trying to introduce partition is creating the partition you are whining about.
The relevance is that's the reason why there is a PEACE fund! But I don't recall the GAA being under an obligation to change its rule book. It has plenty of cross-community initiatives that were funded because of this along with Ulster Rugby and the IFA. So for you to suggest that the rules should change for 6/32 counties is absolute bollòx. If the GAA is going to change it has to do it on an island-wide basis
Quote from: general_lee on June 10, 2020, 10:42:16 PM
QuoteWhat possible relevance is that little history lesson to the topic in hand?
The Ulster Council signed up to various schemes and took money on the basis the GAA in the 6 would become more cross community. What was peoples expectation? That nothing could or would change?
Giving out that southerners are somehow trying to introduce partition is creating the partition you are whining about.
The relevance is that's the reason why there is a PEACE fund! But I don't recall the GAA being under an obligation to change its rule book. It has plenty of cross-community initiatives that were funded because of this along with Ulster Rugby and the IFA. So for you to suggest that the rules should change for 6/32 counties is absolute bollòx. If the GAA is going to change it has to do it on an island-wide basis
I didn't suggest that, nor even close. The Ulster council opened that door when they took outreach money.
But rugby and soccer did change. Far more nationalists migrated towords rugby than unionists the GAA. And I am far from the IFA's biggest fan, but they are trying. Genuine effort to reach out, but a bottle job on flags and anthems. Sound familiar?
But the mere suggestion that the GAA consider changing, outrage.
Would amending the constitution to drop the political stuff and allowing flags and anthems to be a local decision be a problem? If the answer is yes, you lose all right to criticise the IFA.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 10:22:18 PM
It's not that simple and you know it.
That the GAA is a 32 county organisation and operates on a one jurisdiction footing, means it never has and never can have differing rules for the north and the south IS that simple. Aside from all that, can you
imagine the level of hurt and offence that would be caused to proud Irish GAA people in the north if the GAA, of all organisations, ever decided to tell us in the six counties that we cannot use our flag or anthem and that those things are only for people in the south?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 10:22:18 PM
You take cross community money, you have to change your ways to try and become, well, cross community. If you have no intention of doing so, its basically fraud.
Again, you seem to be fixating on the notion of grant aid. This discussion isn't about grant aid. But the flag and anthem ARE currently allowed and yet many clubs and county boards do some fantastic cross community work. It's a bit fanciful to suggest that and grant aid they receive for such work is basically fraudulent so long as the GAA uses the Irish flag and anthem.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 10:22:18 PM
The issue is the rules and unionists are not compatible. I agree that changing the rules just to appease unionists who aren't interested is facile. The discussion should be about changing rules because they are dated and need an overhaul. The GAA in 1884 and the GAA in 2020 are different organisations with different aims, yet we are stuck with a constitution that is more political than sporting. Time to rewrite it because it needs rewriting. If unionists fall in line as a result, thats nice.
If people want to talk about changing rules to ban the flag and anthem, then so be it. But, yet again it has to be said, the GAA is an All-Ireland organisation. As an All-Ireland organisation, it naturally follows that its rules apply to All-Ireland. You say the current rules are too polititical. Well any attempt to ban only it's members in the north from using the Irish flag and anthem would be as politically sensitive/explosive/offensive/damaging a move as the GAA could ever make towards its membership in the north that has already come through quite enough in the defence of our right to our Irishness.
Where are you getting this ban the anthem in the north notion from? Its a total strawman.
IN THE NAME OF SWEET JE-US,CAN WE GET BACK ON THIS TOPIC AS I ONLY STARTED THIS IS TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE EB GAA CLUB NOT THIS PAGE UPON PAGE OF DRIBLE AND POLITICS?
PERSONALLY SPEAKING THIS HAS DIGRESSED DUE TO THE INTRODUCTION OF MS.ERVINE.
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 11:45:03 PM
Where are you getting this ban the anthem in the north notion from? Its a total strawman.
In your very first engagement with me this evening, you quoted and replied to my most recent response to Rossfan, who is advocating that very notion. So it's no strawman. He wants all sports organisations in the north to sign up to a protocol against flags and anthems. Which would require a change to current GAA rules. However he is not advocating that rule change be applied in the south.
And in fairness, your own replies to me tonight would strongly suggest you are in the same camp as he is. My apologies if I'm wrong but you certainly haven't said much to suggest otherwise.
Quote from: Snapchap on June 10, 2020, 11:58:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 11:45:03 PM
Where are you getting this ban the anthem in the north notion from? Its a total strawman.
In your very first engagement with me this evening, you quoted and replied to my most recent response to Rossfan, who is advocating that very notion. So it's no strawman. He wants all sports organisations in the north to sign up to a protocol against flags and anthems. Which would require a change to current GAA rules. However he is not advocating that rule change be applied in the south.
And in fairness, your own replies to me tonight would strongly suggest you are in the same camp as he is. My apologies if I'm wrong but you certainly haven't said much to suggest otherwise.
He actually didn't and I certainly didn't. Nobody but you has talked about banning anything. Its a strawman you have hysterically reacted too.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 11, 2020, 12:23:09 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 10, 2020, 11:58:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 11:45:03 PM
Where are you getting this ban the anthem in the north notion from? Its a total strawman.
In your very first engagement with me this evening, you quoted and replied to my most recent response to Rossfan, who is advocating that very notion. So it's no strawman. He wants all sports organisations in the north to sign up to a protocol against flags and anthems. Which would require a change to current GAA rules. However he is not advocating that rule change be applied in the south.
And in fairness, your own replies to me tonight would strongly suggest you are in the same camp as he is. My apologies if I'm wrong but you certainly haven't said much to suggest otherwise.
He actually didn't and I certainly didn't. Nobody but you has talked about banning anything. Its a strawman you have hysterically reacted too.
Eh, yes he did:
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 11:31:25 AM
As I've said here before all Sports bodies in the North should have a protocol of no National Flags or Anthems .
Unless the phrase "no flags or anthems" somehow doesn't mean a ban on flags or anthems?And unless the phrase "in the north" means across the whole of Ireland?
And you say you don't believe in it either. Which is good to hear. But it does make it strange when your response to me saying they shouldn't have one set of rules for the flag and anthem in the north and another in the south was:
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 08:40:41 PM
but we don't have a situation in the south where 50% of the population will close the curtains if a game broke out in their back garden...But if the GAA take cross community peace and love funding, some compromises have to be made.
and...
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 09:26:21 PM
the question is why a club in Kerry should have to remove its tricolour so a club in Fermanagh can get grants.
Hardly sounds like a man that's opposed to a different rule for the north as for the south, but ok.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 10:50:54 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 10, 2020, 10:42:16 PM
QuoteWhat possible relevance is that little history lesson to the topic in hand?
The Ulster Council signed up to various schemes and took money on the basis the GAA in the 6 would become more cross community. What was peoples expectation? That nothing could or would change?
Giving out that southerners are somehow trying to introduce partition is creating the partition you are whining about.
The relevance is that's the reason why there is a PEACE fund! But I don't recall the GAA being under an obligation to change its rule book. It has plenty of cross-community initiatives that were funded because of this along with Ulster Rugby and the IFA. So for you to suggest that the rules should change for 6/32 counties is absolute bollòx. If the GAA is going to change it has to do it on an island-wide basis
I didn't suggest that, nor even close. The Ulster council opened that door when they took outreach money.
But rugby and soccer did change. Far more nationalists migrated towords rugby than unionists the GAA. And I am far from the IFA's biggest fan, but they are trying. Genuine effort to reach out, but a bottle job on flags and anthems. Sound familiar?
But the mere suggestion that the GAA consider changing, outrage.
Would amending the constitution to drop the political stuff and allowing flags and anthems to be a local decision be a problem? If the answer is yes, you lose all right to criticise the IFA.
Outreach money? As a tax and rates payer in the North, it was nothing more than what GAA clubs were entitled to and had been denied for decades.
When the lottery kicked off in the UK and grants were available to sports clubs but they had to own their own grounds, the Unionist politicians kicked up as a disproportionate amount for grant money was going to GAA clubs oblivious to the fact that they had over the years assisted soccer clubs via the local councils and provided their facilities for a minimal fee.
GAA clubs had to go and buy their own properties and develop from scratch and sometimes were hindered by their local councils like St Peters in Lurgan.
What have the IFA done for you to laud their work that the Ulster Council hasn't as you freely admit they bottled it on the flegs and anthem?
Hardstation is right, removing the flag and anthem would be tokenism and ultimately meaningless unless the GAA rewrites the first couple of pages of their constitution, requests all clubs honouring Irish patriot dead, the Bolands, the Wolfe Tones, the Mitchels, the Rossa's, the Pearces, Sarsfields, the O'Rahillys and so forth and that's before we start into the saints names with religious connotations which can't be allowed either IMO.
That would be a big decision for the GAA and for what?
Nail on the head JC.
If the East Belfast club decided to name it after a UVF man, is there anything the GAA can do about it? I mean, are there any rules now, where names have to be run by HQ for approval?
It would be interesting to see the outcome, given the amount of clubs named after Republican figures.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 09:26:21 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 10, 2020, 09:12:24 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 08:40:41 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 10, 2020, 05:32:08 PM
You are expecting GAA people in the north to make a sacrifice that you have seemingly no interest in making yourself, and yet if we in the north object, you have the utter shamelessnes to call us bitter? Absolutely pathetic stuff.
No, but we don't have a situation in the south where 50% of the population will close the curtains if a game broke out in their back garden.
If you want the GAA to remain a nationalist game with nationalist trappings, fine. But you have to accept that tbe unionsrs will continue to flat out don't want to know.
But if the GAA take cross community peace and love funding, some compromises have to be made.
My point is that it doesn't matter how many unionists there are in the south. The GAA is an All-Ireland body. If somone in the south believes rightly or wrongly that the anthem and flag should be scrapped to accomodate unionists in the north, then it would have to be either an All-Ireland ban or nothing. The GAA never has, and never will have, separate rules for north and south. If you are as someone from the south are not prepared to make that sacrifice for the sake of appeasing unionists, then don't ask/demand that others should.
I get that.
But the Ulster Council crossed that rubicon the second they took peace dividend money. Commitments were made to be more 'inclusive'. So the question is why a club in Kerry should have to remove its tricolour so a club in Fermanagh can get grants.
I don't recall the removal of the flag as a prerequisite of the dividend money. The GAA can be more inclusive. But it wasn't specified that they had to remove the flag. So the Kerry club can keep their tricolour. Just as the club in Fermanagh can. And if the GAA don't believe it's fair to ask the Kerry club to remove the tricolour then surely as a 32 county org they wouldn't feel it was fair to ask the Fermanagh club.
If the National Anthem and National Flag and grounds names that were problematic to Unionists were removed and renamed in the morning.
Would there be a massive upsurge in PUL community involvement in the North
Or
Would it be more a case of we demanded this,we got what we wanted and we ain't going near ye one way or the other.
Would be an interesting one for some polling company to tease out
Quote from: johnnycool on June 11, 2020, 09:18:21 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 10:50:54 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 10, 2020, 10:42:16 PM
QuoteWhat possible relevance is that little history lesson to the topic in hand?
The Ulster Council signed up to various schemes and took money on the basis the GAA in the 6 would become more cross community. What was peoples expectation? That nothing could or would change?
Giving out that southerners are somehow trying to introduce partition is creating the partition you are whining about.
The relevance is that's the reason why there is a PEACE fund! But I don't recall the GAA being under an obligation to change its rule book. It has plenty of cross-community initiatives that were funded because of this along with Ulster Rugby and the IFA. So for you to suggest that the rules should change for 6/32 counties is absolute bollòx. If the GAA is going to change it has to do it on an island-wide basis
I didn't suggest that, nor even close. The Ulster council opened that door when they took outreach money.
But rugby and soccer did change. Far more nationalists migrated towords rugby than unionists the GAA. And I am far from the IFA's biggest fan, but they are trying. Genuine effort to reach out, but a bottle job on flags and anthems. Sound familiar?
But the mere suggestion that the GAA consider changing, outrage.
Would amending the constitution to drop the political stuff and allowing flags and anthems to be a local decision be a problem? If the answer is yes, you lose all right to criticise the IFA.
Outreach money? As a tax and rates payer in the North, it was nothing more than what GAA clubs were entitled to and had been denied for decades.
When the lottery kicked off in the UK and grants were available to sports clubs but they had to own their own grounds, the Unionist politicians kicked up as a disproportionate amount for grant money was going to GAA clubs oblivious to the fact that they had over the years assisted soccer clubs via the local councils and provided their facilities for a minimal fee.
GAA clubs had to go and buy their own properties and develop from scratch and sometimes were hindered by their local councils like St Peters in Lurgan.
What have the IFA done for you to laud their work that the Ulster Council hasn't as you freely admit they bottled it on the flegs and anthem?
Hardstation is right, removing the flag and anthem would be tokenism and ultimately meaningless unless the GAA rewrites the first couple of pages of their constitution, requests all clubs honouring Irish patriot dead, the Bolands, the Wolfe Tones, the Mitchels, the Rossa's, the Pearces, Sarsfields, the O'Rahillys and so forth and that's before we start into the saints names with religious connotations which can't be allowed either IMO.
That would be a big decision for the GAA and for what?
I'm not talking about standard funding and grants or the lottery. I'm talking about things like Sport Uniting Communities funding that has t&c's.
The GAA tapped plenty of cash from Dublin that soccer and rugby were excluded from, so thats a moot point. Over a billion all told, and some of that filtered north.
Its daft to expect other sports to change and then throw a hissy when people ask should the GAA do the same.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 11, 2020, 11:46:11 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 11, 2020, 09:18:21 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 10:50:54 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 10, 2020, 10:42:16 PM
QuoteWhat possible relevance is that little history lesson to the topic in hand?
The Ulster Council signed up to various schemes and took money on the basis the GAA in the 6 would become more cross community. What was peoples expectation? That nothing could or would change?
Giving out that southerners are somehow trying to introduce partition is creating the partition you are whining about.
The relevance is that's the reason why there is a PEACE fund! But I don't recall the GAA being under an obligation to change its rule book. It has plenty of cross-community initiatives that were funded because of this along with Ulster Rugby and the IFA. So for you to suggest that the rules should change for 6/32 counties is absolute bollòx. If the GAA is going to change it has to do it on an island-wide basis
I didn't suggest that, nor even close. The Ulster council opened that door when they took outreach money.
But rugby and soccer did change. Far more nationalists migrated towords rugby than unionists the GAA. And I am far from the IFA's biggest fan, but they are trying. Genuine effort to reach out, but a bottle job on flags and anthems. Sound familiar?
But the mere suggestion that the GAA consider changing, outrage.
Would amending the constitution to drop the political stuff and allowing flags and anthems to be a local decision be a problem? If the answer is yes, you lose all right to criticise the IFA.
Outreach money? As a tax and rates payer in the North, it was nothing more than what GAA clubs were entitled to and had been denied for decades.
When the lottery kicked off in the UK and grants were available to sports clubs but they had to own their own grounds, the Unionist politicians kicked up as a disproportionate amount for grant money was going to GAA clubs oblivious to the fact that they had over the years assisted soccer clubs via the local councils and provided their facilities for a minimal fee.
GAA clubs had to go and buy their own properties and develop from scratch and sometimes were hindered by their local councils like St Peters in Lurgan.
What have the IFA done for you to laud their work that the Ulster Council hasn't as you freely admit they bottled it on the flegs and anthem?
Hardstation is right, removing the flag and anthem would be tokenism and ultimately meaningless unless the GAA rewrites the first couple of pages of their constitution, requests all clubs honouring Irish patriot dead, the Bolands, the Wolfe Tones, the Mitchels, the Rossa's, the Pearces, Sarsfields, the O'Rahillys and so forth and that's before we start into the saints names with religious connotations which can't be allowed either IMO.
That would be a big decision for the GAA and for what?
I'm not talking about standard funding and grants or the lottery. I'm talking about things like Sport Uniting Communities funding that has t&c's.
The GAA tapped plenty of cash from Dublin that soccer and rugby were excluded from, so thats a moot point. Over a billion all told, and some of that filtered north.
Its daft to expect other sports to change and then throw a hissy when people ask should the GAA do the same.
Every sports grant in the north comes with cross community T&C's irrespective of what fund name they give it and it comes from, heck even the OO sign off on cross community access to their premises to obtain grants, so it's really not worth the paper it's written on.
As for the bit in bold, I've outlaid what I think the GAA would need to do to potentially be accepted by Unionists and the protestants that don't give a shit about politics.
The question for the GAA is for all this pain over the 32 counties, what's the gain?
If they'd start hurling in Bangor, Holywood, Newtownards, Donaghadee, Millilse, Comber, Ballywalter, Ballyhalbert, Ballygowan, Ballinahinch, Dundonald, Tullycarnet (image that) and a few other hamlets (the Portavogie lads can hurl with us, they've hands like shovels) then it might be worth it.
2 incidents against the GAA over the weekend.. "Anti-British GAA Not Welcome" banner put up on gates into a council park and club in Antrim arson attacked over the weekend
And a couple of posters think we should extend a welcoming hand to these people.. baffles me
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 15, 2020, 09:03:19 AM
2 incidents against the GAA over the weekend.. "Anti-British GAA Not Welcome" banner put up on gates into a council park and club in Antrim arson attacked over the weekend
And a couple of posters think we should extend a welcoming hand to these people.. baffles me
That's quite a generalisation there. Do you think all unionists would condone this?
Any positive publicity this club has got for the GAA clearly rubbed up a few people the wrong way. Aldergrove seemed to get the treatment yesterday / last night. A few clubs in antrim (probably in a few counties) have got this from time to time >:(
Quote from: general_lee on June 15, 2020, 09:10:12 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 15, 2020, 09:03:19 AM
2 incidents against the GAA over the weekend.. "Anti-British GAA Not Welcome" banner put up on gates into a council park and club in Antrim arson attacked over the weekend
And a couple of posters think we should extend a welcoming hand to these people.. baffles me
That's quite a generalisation there. Do you think all unionists would condone this?
We'll see who comes out and condemns it today.. Just been Shinners and Alliance so far
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 15, 2020, 09:03:19 AM
2 incidents against the GAA over the weekend.. "Anti-British GAA Not Welcome" banner put up on gates into a council park and club in Antrim arson attacked over the weekend
And a couple of posters think we should extend a welcoming hand to these people.. baffles me
Interestingly, a couple of weeks ago I saw a couple and their young son out practicing with their hurls. This was at the upper end of the Grove playing fields, near the Orange Hall, which is probably the safer end. It's also close to Alexander Park which still has a dividing wall for protestants and catholics.
Must be a fenian doing content management - the pitches are described as soccer pitches, arf arf.
http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/leisure/outdoorleisurefacilities/Sports-facilities/SportsRecreationFacility-6988.aspx
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 15, 2020, 09:29:48 AM
Any positive publicity this club has got for the GAA clearly rubbed up a few people the wrong way. Aldergrove seemed to get the treatment yesterday / last night. A few clubs in antrim (probably in a few counties) have got this from time to time >:(
Has it been confirmed sectarian? Crumlin has a fair amount of scumbags and it wouldn't be the first time the club has suffered vandalism recently
Got word today from a friend who is joining up with East Belfast GAA,they have been accepted as an Official Down Club.The 48th.Best of luck to all concerned.
I have a vested interest in that I would hope now to bring my children there in the future (too young at the minute)instead of across town and County border to my Club where I am still involved but not to the extent as I was when playing.
It should not be a case of "if we do this, will they do this anyway"
If we want to take steps towards a new united Ireland in the future we have to bring the unionist community along and start to break down the mistrust and barriers. We should lead by example and take the first steps. Whatever your views the tricolour and anthem will be intimidating and unwelcoming to most of the unionist community who don't full understand it. I think it would be a great step for clubs in the north.
Obviously the floodgates won't open and bring a stampede of unionists to play gaelic but it will slowly start to build and bring them on board. I understand however people want to keep it as is and that is just my own view!
Quote from: redhandefender on June 18, 2020, 01:48:37 PM
It should not be a case of "if we do this, will they do this anyway"
If we want to take steps towards a new united Ireland in the future we have to bring the unionist community along and start to break down the mistrust and barriers. We should lead by example and take the first steps. Whatever your views the tricolour and anthem will be intimidating and unwelcoming to most of the unionist community who don't full understand it. I think it would be a great step for clubs in the north.
Obviously the floodgates won't open and bring a stampede of unionists to play gaelic but it will slowly start to build and bring them on board. I understand however people want to keep it as is and that is just my own view!
Can you move this chat to non-GAA please and give this new entity a chance to get up and running without all this?
Has the Club an official name?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 18, 2020, 03:46:41 PM
Has the Club an official name?
Ruari Mac giolla Ruaidh CLG
Hasn't he to be dead first?
Isn't there a club in Holywood already though?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 18, 2020, 07:47:48 PM
Hasn't he to be dead first?
Isn't there a club in Holywood already though?
There is indeed, St Pauls
My penny's worth would be I don't need the Irish flag or anthem to reassert my irishness. There's so much more to being Irish than the green, white and orange. Fully in favour of the anthem before finals etc but every championship game, not overly bothered. It's a bit like when tricolours go up around Easter. I always think what's the point. You are only acting like them (who are obsessed by a flag). We can do better than that. Each GAA club should be entitled to run their club as they see fit (within reason). If that means East Belfast GAA is fully cross community with no flag then fine.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 19, 2020, 07:58:15 AM
My penny's worth would be I don't need the Irish flag or anthem to reassert my irishness. There's so much more to being Irish than the green, white and orange. Fully in favour of the anthem before finals etc but every championship game, not overly bothered. It's a bit like when tricolours go up around Easter. I always think what's the point. You are only acting like them (who are obsessed by a flag). We can do better than that. Each GAA club should be entitled to run their club as they see fit (within reason). If that means East Belfast GAA is fully cross community with no flag then fine.
+1
Near us, there's an NHS flag in the middle of the village since the pandemic hit. A nice touch, and makes a change from seeing a tattered tri colour flying.
There's no need for the tri colour flying in the middle of a village or at the GAA grounds. I'd prefer to see the GAA flag along with the local team colours at the pitch.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 19, 2020, 07:58:15 AM
My penny's worth would be I don't need the Irish flag or anthem to reassert my irishness. There's so much more to being Irish than the green, white and orange. Fully in favour of the anthem before finals etc but every championship game, not overly bothered. It's a bit like when tricolours go up around Easter. I always think what's the point. You are only acting like them (who are obsessed by a flag). We can do better than that. Each GAA club should be entitled to run their club as they see fit (within reason). If that means East Belfast GAA is fully cross community with no flag then fine.
I'd echo those sentiments
Careful!!
Snapchap will be after ye with both barrels
Or us it just "Free Staters" (sic) that arent allowed to have opinions?
Seen something on Twitter about 40-50 guys "protesting" at the Grove Playing Fields over people playing GAA there. It seems they were playing soccer wearing GAA tops.
Knuckle draggers but unfortunately they will win here
Quote from: Tyrdub on June 19, 2020, 11:18:46 AM
Seen something on Twitter about 40-50 guys "protesting" at the Grove Playing Fields over people playing GAA there. It seems they were playing soccer wearing GAA tops.
Knuckle draggers but unfortunately they will win here
Tis the season.
Quote from: Tyrdub on June 19, 2020, 11:18:46 AM
Seen something on Twitter about 40-50 guys "protesting" at the Grove Playing Fields over people playing GAA there. It seems they were playing soccer wearing GAA tops.
Knuckle draggers but unfortunately they will win here
Just down the road from where I live. Half tempted to get a kickabout with a few lads and see how the big boys react.
https://twitter.com/GroveNogaa
Here's the Protesters Twitter if you want to let them know your feelings
Quote from: MoChara on June 19, 2020, 12:06:36 PM
https://twitter.com/GroveNogaa
Here's the Protesters Twitter if you want to let them know your feelings
Should we all follow them, for entertainment purposes, like RDE?
Quote from: Tyrdub on June 19, 2020, 11:18:46 AM
Seen something on Twitter about 40-50 guys "protesting" at the Grove Playing Fields over people playing GAA there. It seems they were playing soccer wearing GAA tops.
Knuckle draggers but unfortunately they will win here
And were supposed to be pandering to this type of crowd by removing our flag, anthem and traditions. No thanks ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on June 19, 2020, 10:57:47 AM
Careful!!
Snapchap will be after ye with both barrels
Or us it just "Free Staters" (sic) that arent allowed to have opinions?
::)
Tried to engage you in debate and your response has been to run away from discussing the topic and repeatedly post "hilarious" warnings to others about me. Grow up ffs.
Figured out yet how the GAA signing up to a "protocol" prohibiting flags and anthems in the north somehow wouldn't be them placing a ban on flags and anthems in the north?
Figured out yet how a 32 county organisation can apply different rules for just 6 counties?
Figured out yet why a 32 county organisation might not want to tell its members in the six counties who have spent 40 years defending their national identity, that only they are prohibited from using the Irish flag and anthem?
Have a think about the above maybe, instead of posting childish dung like your above post.
P.s. Where did I suggest Free Staters are the only one not allowed an opinion? My issue is with anyone who suggests that only 6 county GAA members should be barred from using the Irish flag and anthem. I'll challenge anyone who holds that position. It just so happens that so far, the only two posters advocating such horses**t are both Free Staters.
Quote from: nearlymad on June 18, 2020, 02:20:39 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on June 18, 2020, 01:48:37 PM
It should not be a case of "if we do this, will they do this anyway"
If we want to take steps towards a new united Ireland in the future we have to bring the unionist community along and start to break down the mistrust and barriers. We should lead by example and take the first steps. Whatever your views the tricolour and anthem will be intimidating and unwelcoming to most of the unionist community who don't full understand it. I think it would be a great step for clubs in the north.
Obviously the floodgates won't open and bring a stampede of unionists to play gaelic but it will slowly start to build and bring them on board. I understand however people want to keep it as is and that is just my own view!
Can you move this chat to non-GAA please and give this new entity a chance to get up and running without all this?
I think you may be grossly over-estimating the influence of GAA Board to the outside world lol
Will moving this discussion to a different subsection of this forum really decide the fate of the setting up of this club?
And I appreciate that you started the thread etc, but ffs, I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that it's purely the fact that this club is being formed in a loyalist area that made it worthy of a new thread. You can hardly get precious then when people inevitably start to talk about sensitivities around identity that arise from the topic.
Haranguing someone who has a different opinion isnt "adult debate".
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2020, 11:40:04 AM
Haranguing someone who has a different opinion isnt "adult debate".
Haranguing you? Ok let's not be dramatic there Joan Burton.
My last few engagements with you have exclusively been responses to you making childish jibes about me to other posters. You have persistently failed to engage in the topic of debate with me. Fair enough. That's your choice. Just give the obsessive whining about me to others a rest. It's makes your, "haranguing" complaint seem a bit ironic.
Quote from: Snapchap on June 08, 2020, 04:10:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 11:31:25 AM
As I've said here before all Sports bodies in the North should have a protocol of no National Flags or Anthems .
So you expect the GAA to have separate rules for either side of the border? You expect that an organisation which, according to it's rulebook "has as its basic aim the strengthening of the National Identity in a 32 County Ireland", should ban the Irish national flag and anthem from it's activities in the six counties?
Partitionism is alive and well in Roscommon, I doubt. ::)
An adult debater would have said
" I don't agree. I don't believe the GAA which has a basic aim of....
should have a separate rule for the 6 Cos."
Anyway hope the 6 Cos Executive let sports activities catch up with those of the 26 fairly soon.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2020, 12:51:02 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 08, 2020, 04:10:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 11:31:25 AM
As I've said here before all Sports bodies in the North should have a protocol of no National Flags or Anthems .
So you expect the GAA to have separate rules for either side of the border? You expect that an organisation which, according to it's rulebook "has as its basic aim the strengthening of the National Identity in a 32 County Ireland", should ban the Irish national flag and anthem from it's activities in the six counties?
Partitionism is alive and well in Roscommon, I doubt. ::)
An adult debater would have said
" I don't agree. I don't believe the GAA which has a basic aim of....
should have a separate rule for the 6 Cos."
Anyway hope the 6 Cos Executive let sports activities catch up with those of the 26 fairly soon.
An adult debater would have copped on to the fact that I haven't expressed one single opinion on the issue of flags and anthems beyond arguing that there should not be one rule for the north and another for the south within the GAA on the topic. That has been my sole argument, and for holding that position you have described me as a "narrow minded extremist" with a "no surrender, not an inch" mentality. Is that a mature reaction to someone merely advocating the GAA maintaining it's 32 county organisational structure? Or is it arrogant, condescending, judgemental horses**t?
Quote from: Snapchap on June 23, 2020, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2020, 12:51:02 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 08, 2020, 04:10:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 11:31:25 AM
As I've said here before all Sports bodies in the North should have a protocol of no National Flags or Anthems .
So you expect the GAA to have separate rules for either side of the border? You expect that an organisation which, according to it's rulebook "has as its basic aim the strengthening of the National Identity in a 32 County Ireland", should ban the Irish national flag and anthem from it's activities in the six counties?
Partitionism is alive and well in Roscommon, I doubt. ::)
An adult debater would have said
" I don't agree. I don't believe the GAA which has a basic aim of....
should have a separate rule for the 6 Cos."
Anyway hope the 6 Cos Executive let sports activities catch up with those of the 26 fairly soon.
An adult debater would have copped on to the fact that I haven't expressed one single opinion on the issue of flags and anthems beyond arguing that there should not be one rule for the north and another for the south within the GAA on the topic. That has been my sole argument, and for holding that position you have described me as a "narrow minded extremist" with a "no surrender, not an inch" mentality. Is that a mature reaction to someone merely advocating the GAA maintaining it's 32 county organisational structure? Or is it arrogant, condescending, judgemental horses**t?
An adult debater wouldn't constantly refer to people from the 26 counties as "freestaters" either unless it's designed deliberately to insult and provoke.
Quote from: clonadmad on June 23, 2020, 03:56:19 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 23, 2020, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2020, 12:51:02 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 08, 2020, 04:10:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2020, 11:31:25 AM
As I've said here before all Sports bodies in the North should have a protocol of no National Flags or Anthems .
So you expect the GAA to have separate rules for either side of the border? You expect that an organisation which, according to it's rulebook "has as its basic aim the strengthening of the National Identity in a 32 County Ireland", should ban the Irish national flag and anthem from it's activities in the six counties?
Partitionism is alive and well in Roscommon, I doubt. ::)
An adult debater would have said
" I don't agree. I don't believe the GAA which has a basic aim of....
should have a separate rule for the 6 Cos."
Anyway hope the 6 Cos Executive let sports activities catch up with those of the 26 fairly soon.
An adult debater would have copped on to the fact that I haven't expressed one single opinion on the issue of flags and anthems beyond arguing that there should not be one rule for the north and another for the south within the GAA on the topic. That has been my sole argument, and for holding that position you have described me as a "narrow minded extremist" with a "no surrender, not an inch" mentality. Is that a mature reaction to someone merely advocating the GAA maintaining it's 32 county organisational structure? Or is it arrogant, condescending, judgemental horses**t?
An adult debater wouldn't constantly refer to people from the 26 counties as "freestaters" either unless it's designed deliberately to insult and provoke.
I personally don't refer to all those from the south as "Free Staters". It's a term I reserve only for those who are clearly dyed in the wool partitionists.
More tripe not related to the Topic this was originally started for. >:( >:(
Down Championship are on this evening.
Quote from: nearlymad on June 23, 2020, 04:55:54 PM
More tripe not related to the Topic this was originally started for. >:( >:(
Down Championship are on this evening.
Has (or will) a new name been decided on?
Quote from: general_lee on June 23, 2020, 05:23:29 PM
Quote from: nearlymad on June 23, 2020, 04:55:54 PM
More tripe not related to the Topic this was originally started for. >:( >:(
Down Championship are on this evening.
Has (or will) a new name been decided on?
Oráiste O'Lodge
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 23, 2020, 07:46:23 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 23, 2020, 05:23:29 PM
Quote from: nearlymad on June 23, 2020, 04:55:54 PM
More tripe not related to the Topic this was originally started for. >:( >:(
Down Championship are on this evening.
Has (or will) a new name been decided on?
Oráiste O'Lodge
I'm sure Oráiste will form part of their jersey.
East Belfast v Castlewellan in the 1st Rc of the JHC
East Belfast v.Dundrum in the 1st Rd of the JFC
some strange Tweets about Ulster Scotch now as well lol
Scotch is a whiskey . Ulster Scots is a dialect of English language normally associated with North Down and parts of Antrim
Quote from: MoChara on June 25, 2020, 02:20:20 PM
some strange Tweets about Ulster Scotch now as well lol
Funding
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 25, 2020, 10:18:08 PM
Quote from: MoChara on June 25, 2020, 02:20:20 PM
some strange Tweets about Ulster Scotch now as well lol
Funding
However, they should do some sort of Shinty compromise game against a Presbyterian team as well, just to get broaden the agenda.
East Belfast's first fixture:
Div 4 Round 1 Friday 17th July at 7.30pm
St Michael's v East Belfast
Quote from: Godsown on June 25, 2020, 05:13:26 PM
Scotch is a whiskey . Ulster Scots is a dialect of English language normally associated with North Down and parts of Antrim
Scotch is a whisky, Jameson is a whiskey
Where are the home games being played at? Is it cherryvale? (not quite east belfast i know but not sure where else they would play).
Quote from: nearlymad on July 01, 2020, 11:05:46 PM
East Belfast's first fixture:
Div 4 Round 1 Friday 17th July at 7.30pm
St Michael's v East Belfast
There have been a few clubs come and gone in last 25 years or so in Down
Ballela
Killyleagh
Ballykinlar
I think 1 of the biggest issues will be that they will probably take a lot of beatings in the first few years unless they can get a few 1/2 decent players and it hard to keep the interest up if that is the case. St Michael's might be 1 of the easier fixtures to start of with but it is a long way to Magheralin. It will probably seem like a long drive on a Friday night from Dundrum if a lot of the players are only learning how to toe tap a ball and they take a bit of a beating. Hurling even more so I am not sure at senior level it will be possible to be competitive unless they can get mostly players who have played before. Underage they should be fine if they have the numbers and half decent coaches.
Quote from: Maiden1 on July 02, 2020, 01:27:39 PM
Quote from: nearlymad on July 01, 2020, 11:05:46 PM
East Belfast's first fixture:
Div 4 Round 1 Friday 17th July at 7.30pm
St Michael's v East Belfast
There have been a few clubs come and gone in last 25 years or so in Down
Ballela
Killyleagh
Ballykinlar
I think 1 of the biggest issues will be that they will probably take a lot of beatings in the first few years unless they can get a few 1/2 decent players and it hard to keep the interest up if that is the case. St Michael's might be 1 of the easier fixtures to start of with but it is a long way to Magheralin. It will probably seem like a long drive on a Friday night from Dundrum if a lot of the players are only learning how to toe tap a ball and they take a bit of a beating. Hurling even more so I am not sure at senior level it will be possible to be competitive unless they can get mostly players who have played before. Underage they should be fine if they have the numbers and half decent coaches.
Balella are still going at the hurling.
I'd say East Belfast could avail of the GAA pitch in Ormeau Park if they're stuck.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 03, 2020, 09:30:53 AM
Quote from: Maiden1 on July 02, 2020, 01:27:39 PM
Quote from: nearlymad on July 01, 2020, 11:05:46 PM
East Belfast's first fixture:
Div 4 Round 1 Friday 17th July at 7.30pm
St Michael's v East Belfast
There have been a few clubs come and gone in last 25 years or so in Down
Ballela
Killyleagh
Ballykinlar
I think 1 of the biggest issues will be that they will probably take a lot of beatings in the first few years unless they can get a few 1/2 decent players and it hard to keep the interest up if that is the case. St Michael's might be 1 of the easier fixtures to start of with but it is a long way to Magheralin. It will probably seem like a long drive on a Friday night from Dundrum if a lot of the players are only learning how to toe tap a ball and they take a bit of a beating. Hurling even more so I am not sure at senior level it will be possible to be competitive unless they can get mostly players who have played before. Underage they should be fine if they have the numbers and half decent coaches.
Balella are still going at the hurling.
I'd say East Belfast could avail of the GAA pitch in Ormeau Park if they're stuck.
Yeah they tried football for a season in the mid 90s but they took a lot of bad beatings and stopped. Football should be easier if you have played rugby and are fairly fit you should be able to catch and kick the ball. Not sure hurling will work well unless more or less all the players have played a bit before and are now living in East Belfast.
I saw the other day that Ballygalget lost out to Loughinisland in an Intermediate league decider in 1968, things could have been different if they had won that game :)
East Belfast should have some chance of getting some players with experience who gave moved to Belfast.
Quote from: Maiden1 on July 03, 2020, 09:49:24 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 03, 2020, 09:30:53 AM
Quote from: Maiden1 on July 02, 2020, 01:27:39 PM
Quote from: nearlymad on July 01, 2020, 11:05:46 PM
East Belfast's first fixture:
Div 4 Round 1 Friday 17th July at 7.30pm
St Michael's v East Belfast
There have been a few clubs come and gone in last 25 years or so in Down
Ballela
Killyleagh
Ballykinlar
I think 1 of the biggest issues will be that they will probably take a lot of beatings in the first few years unless they can get a few 1/2 decent players and it hard to keep the interest up if that is the case. St Michael's might be 1 of the easier fixtures to start of with but it is a long way to Magheralin. It will probably seem like a long drive on a Friday night from Dundrum if a lot of the players are only learning how to toe tap a ball and they take a bit of a beating. Hurling even more so I am not sure at senior level it will be possible to be competitive unless they can get mostly players who have played before. Underage they should be fine if they have the numbers and half decent coaches.
Balella are still going at the hurling.
I'd say East Belfast could avail of the GAA pitch in Ormeau Park if they're stuck.
Yeah they tried football for a season in the mid 90s but they took a lot of bad beatings and stopped. Football should be easier if you have played rugby and are fairly fit you should be able to catch and kick the ball. Not sure hurling will work well unless more or less all the players have played a bit before and are now living in East Belfast.
I saw the other day that Ballygalget lost out to Loughinisland in an Intermediate league decider in 1968, things could have been different if they had won that game :)
My Da would have played on that team and by his own admission they'd a few handy footballers but also more than their fare share of course christians with one particular team never stripping out in the changing rooms and always parking on the roadside for a quick getaway...
Better for everyone that they gave up the football then.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 06, 2020, 09:45:55 AM
Quote from: Maiden1 on July 03, 2020, 09:49:24 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 03, 2020, 09:30:53 AM
Quote from: Maiden1 on July 02, 2020, 01:27:39 PM
Quote from: nearlymad on July 01, 2020, 11:05:46 PM
East Belfast's first fixture:
Div 4 Round 1 Friday 17th July at 7.30pm
St Michael's v East Belfast
There have been a few clubs come and gone in last 25 years or so in Down
Ballela
Killyleagh
Ballykinlar
I think 1 of the biggest issues will be that they will probably take a lot of beatings in the first few years unless they can get a few 1/2 decent players and it hard to keep the interest up if that is the case. St Michael's might be 1 of the easier fixtures to start of with but it is a long way to Magheralin. It will probably seem like a long drive on a Friday night from Dundrum if a lot of the players are only learning how to toe tap a ball and they take a bit of a beating. Hurling even more so I am not sure at senior level it will be possible to be competitive unless they can get mostly players who have played before. Underage they should be fine if they have the numbers and half decent coaches.
Balella are still going at the hurling.
I'd say East Belfast could avail of the GAA pitch in Ormeau Park if they're stuck.
Yeah they tried football for a season in the mid 90s but they took a lot of bad beatings and stopped. Football should be easier if you have played rugby and are fairly fit you should be able to catch and kick the ball. Not sure hurling will work well unless more or less all the players have played a bit before and are now living in East Belfast.
I saw the other day that Ballygalget lost out to Loughinisland in an Intermediate league decider in 1968, things could have been different if they had won that game :)
My Da would have played on that team and by his own admission they'd a few handy footballers but also more than their fare share of course christians with one particular team never stripping out in the changing rooms and always parking on the roadside for a quick getaway...
Better for everyone that they gave up the football then.
haha better to let them on to the field with hurly sticks then ;D
Quote from: Maiden1 on July 06, 2020, 10:57:48 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 06, 2020, 09:45:55 AM
Quote from: Maiden1 on July 03, 2020, 09:49:24 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 03, 2020, 09:30:53 AM
Quote from: Maiden1 on July 02, 2020, 01:27:39 PM
Quote from: nearlymad on July 01, 2020, 11:05:46 PM
East Belfast's first fixture:
Div 4 Round 1 Friday 17th July at 7.30pm
St Michael's v East Belfast
There have been a few clubs come and gone in last 25 years or so in Down
Ballela
Killyleagh
Ballykinlar
I think 1 of the biggest issues will be that they will probably take a lot of beatings in the first few years unless they can get a few 1/2 decent players and it hard to keep the interest up if that is the case. St Michael's might be 1 of the easier fixtures to start of with but it is a long way to Magheralin. It will probably seem like a long drive on a Friday night from Dundrum if a lot of the players are only learning how to toe tap a ball and they take a bit of a beating. Hurling even more so I am not sure at senior level it will be possible to be competitive unless they can get mostly players who have played before. Underage they should be fine if they have the numbers and half decent coaches.
Balella are still going at the hurling.
I'd say East Belfast could avail of the GAA pitch in Ormeau Park if they're stuck.
Yeah they tried football for a season in the mid 90s but they took a lot of bad beatings and stopped. Football should be easier if you have played rugby and are fairly fit you should be able to catch and kick the ball. Not sure hurling will work well unless more or less all the players have played a bit before and are now living in East Belfast.
I saw the other day that Ballygalget lost out to Loughinisland in an Intermediate league decider in 1968, things could have been different if they had won that game :)
My Da would have played on that team and by his own admission they'd a few handy footballers but also more than their fare share of course christians with one particular team never stripping out in the changing rooms and always parking on the roadside for a quick getaway...
Better for everyone that they gave up the football then.
haha better to let them on to the field with hurly sticks then ;D
36 inches of ash is a great leveler. ;D
Was magic not a half decent footballer?
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 06, 2020, 12:04:01 PM
Was magic not a half decent footballer?
Played for Loughinisland and got to a Down senior final with them only to bollox up his ankle 15 minutes in.
One of the more senior members of that Loughinisland team who played county for years told me he'd never had played in the Down final if it hadn't of been for Magic stripping out for them.
I think he'd a trail run out with the county footballers under wee James but didn't come to anything.
Johnnycool, think it was Ross that gave Magic a couple of games, he wasn't the worst but you could see he was a hurler trying to think as a footballer.
Any more word of where EB are playing their games and what sort of a squad are they pulling together?
I see these lads have adopted an official Crest with a tri lingual motto on it.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdCjPcMXYAUv9RB?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Purely from an aesthetic perspective, why is the letter 'E' different in Irish than it is in English (or Ulster Scots)?
Quick google suggests its consistent with Farset Feirste from the street signs.
https://muirmcneil.com/project/farset-feirste/ (https://muirmcneil.com/project/farset-feirste/)
Surely for the crest you'd pick one or the other?
As for the tri-lingual, I'm far removed but I always thought U-S was some sort of in-joke
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on July 16, 2020, 11:00:00 PM
Purely from an aesthetic perspective, why is the letter 'E' different in Irish than it is in English (or Ulster Scots)?
Quick google suggests its consistent with Farset Feirste from the street signs.
https://muirmcneil.com/project/farset-feirste/ (https://muirmcneil.com/project/farset-feirste/)
Surely for the crest you'd pick one or the other?
As for the tri-lingual, I'm far removed but I always thought U-S was some sort of in-joke
It is.
Going by news on the transfer front, EB will have a strong enough team.
First game ongoing. Currently playing magheralin (I thought they were in Armagh d'oh)
Not an uneducated assumption - it is close to being an Antrim club too. Out on its own - nearest other Co Down club is probably Carryduff or Tullylish?
Sounds like the game is tight enough.
That's a good question. My geography of that area wouldn't be fantastic so not sure. I'd imagine there's nearer than carryduff so tullylish maybe a good call.
All went quiet on their Twitter. Suspect that means they're not winning any more...
[edit] ah beat by four. Still - respectable start.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 17, 2020, 09:00:03 PM
That's a good question. My geography of that area wouldn't be fantastic so not sure. I'd imagine there's nearer than carryduff so tullylish maybe a good call.
All went quiet on their Twitter. Suspect that means they're not winning any more...
[edit] ah beat by four. Still - respectable start.
Magheralin would be probably the weakest team in Down. Although not too long ago Aughlisnafin would have been the bottom team in Down and now they are in Division 3 so shows if a team knuckle down there isn't much between the teams in div 4.
Quote from: Rois on July 17, 2020, 08:38:15 PM
Not an uneducated assumption - it is close to being an Antrim club too. Out on its own - nearest other Co Down club is probably Carryduff or Tullylish?
Sounds like the game is tight enough.
Would be closer to Tullylish, they used to amalgamate under age teams together a few years ago.
I don't think they'll appeal to too many of the locals, but maybe they feel if they water things down a bit they'll have an easier life than if they were called Na Fianna with a tricolour kit.
They are supping thE soup with the crest but I suppose theY have to try and fit in. Fair play to anyone setting up a new club as a lot of work
Quote from: hardstation on July 18, 2020, 03:15:06 PM
I'm not looking to piss on their parade as I wish them every success but I'm genuinely curious as what sets this club apart as a "cross community club"? I understand it is East Belfast - a predominately Unionist area. I've heard that their team is more of a gather up of people with a GAA background from across the north who happen to live that direction now. I imagine that's the starting point with the intention to integrate people into their club from the PUL community bit by bit. I see they have a bit of Ulster-Scots on their badge too but what would make them attractive to the PUL community that the likes of Bredagh or Carryduff doesn't have or do?
Funders will be tripping over each other to fund ttrm. Linda Ervine expert at this
Quote from: hardstation on July 18, 2020, 03:15:06 PM
I'm not looking to piss on their parade as I wish them every success but I'm genuinely curious as what sets this club apart as a "cross community club"? I understand it is East Belfast - a predominately Unionist area. I've heard that their team is more of a gather up of people with a GAA background from across the north who happen to live that direction now. I imagine that's the starting point with the intention to integrate people into their club from the PUL community bit by bit. I see they have a bit of Ulster-Scots on their badge too but what would make them attractive to the PUL community that the likes of Bredagh or Carryduff doesn't have or do?
I think I read somewhere that their ethos is explicitly cross-community. While I consider the GAA welcoming to all I don't think that all clubs would in practice be that attractive to prods wanting to give GAA a go. I also don't see why anyone from a GAA background let alone a non-GAA background would want to dip their toes with either Carryduff or Bredagh, that's almost like me saying I want to play soccer and trying to get a game with an Irish league/championship outfit.
Out of interest, did Magheralin have a tri colour flying at their ground?
If they hadn't will they be expelled from the GAA or will the game be declared null and void.
Apart from appointing Bean Uí Oirbhín as President are EB doing anything to promote the Irish language?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 18, 2020, 07:49:47 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 18, 2020, 03:15:06 PM
I'm not looking to piss on their parade as I wish them every success but I'm genuinely curious as what sets this club apart as a "cross community club"? I understand it is East Belfast - a predominately Unionist area. I've heard that their team is more of a gather up of people with a GAA background from across the north who happen to live that direction now. I imagine that's the starting point with the intention to integrate people into their club from the PUL community bit by bit. I see they have a bit of Ulster-Scots on their badge too but what would make them attractive to the PUL community that the likes of Bredagh or Carryduff doesn't have or do?
Funders will be tripping over each other to fund ttrm. Linda Ervine expert at this
Give it a f**king rest. You don't like Linda Ervine and think she's a sham, we all think you're a twat who should stfu and see how things play out. Leave it at that for a while.
Symbols, fresh start...as we know, all very important to members of the PUL community. That would be my guess. I'd assume they can tap into a wider selection of funding with the Ulster Scots link. If they were to build pitches, where would you be talking? Ballyhack area? I imagine that's where most of their players reside.
I expect this club will at least go through the motions of bring open to everyone. For instance, I suspect that many NI clubs would send info to the the Catholic school but not the State one. These people should not assume traditional boxes and should at least ensure that any so called integrated schools are on board.
Quote from: BennyCake on July 18, 2020, 09:43:38 PM
Out of interest, did Magheralin have a tri colour flying at their ground?
I've driven through Magheralin 3 times in past two days, and each time had to pass under two lovely 12th arches, one in the village itself and one in Moira. Then you get to Dollingstown...they could teach East Belfast GAC a thing or two about survival.
Quote from: hardstation on July 18, 2020, 11:45:34 PM
Quote from: general_lee on July 18, 2020, 09:23:37 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 18, 2020, 03:15:06 PM
I'm not looking to piss on their parade as I wish them every success but I'm genuinely curious as what sets this club apart as a "cross community club"? I understand it is East Belfast - a predominately Unionist area. I've heard that their team is more of a gather up of people with a GAA background from across the north who happen to live that direction now. I imagine that's the starting point with the intention to integrate people into their club from the PUL community bit by bit. I see they have a bit of Ulster-Scots on their badge too but what would make them attractive to the PUL community that the likes of Bredagh or Carryduff doesn't have or do?
I think I read somewhere that their ethos is explicitly cross-community. While I consider the GAA welcoming to all I don't think that all clubs would in practice be that attractive to prods wanting to give GAA a go. I also don't see why anyone from a GAA background let alone a non-GAA background would want to dip their toes with either Carryduff or Bredagh, that's almost like me saying I want to play soccer and trying to get a game with an Irish league/championship outfit.
What I mean is that for many years clubs like Bredagh, Carryduff, Lisburn etc have operated in Unionist areas or areas with big Unionist populations at least but have been kept going by the "Catholics" in those areas. The PUL community never took their kids to those clubs to give it a go (maybe the very odd one). Why do we think that this club will be different to that? Because this club is explicitly cross-community? Maybe but what is meant by that? What exactly are they doing differently to those other clubs, bar Ulster Scots which I imagine very few in the PUL community give 2 damns about?
If they get even a 5% participation from PUL community across all levels they'll be doing well. It'll be GAA people living in EB. Problem will arise when initial novelty wears off and normality returns can they keep the numbers up? I hope it works out as it has the potential to really successful.
Quote from: hardstation on July 18, 2020, 11:45:34 PM
Quote from: general_lee on July 18, 2020, 09:23:37 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 18, 2020, 03:15:06 PM
I'm not looking to piss on their parade as I wish them every success but I'm genuinely curious as what sets this club apart as a "cross community club"? I understand it is East Belfast - a predominately Unionist area. I've heard that their team is more of a gather up of people with a GAA background from across the north who happen to live that direction now. I imagine that's the starting point with the intention to integrate people into their club from the PUL community bit by bit. I see they have a bit of Ulster-Scots on their badge too but what would make them attractive to the PUL community that the likes of Bredagh or Carryduff doesn't have or do?
I think I read somewhere that their ethos is explicitly cross-community. While I consider the GAA welcoming to all I don't think that all clubs would in practice be that attractive to prods wanting to give GAA a go. I also don't see why anyone from a GAA background let alone a non-GAA background would want to dip their toes with either Carryduff or Bredagh, that's almost like me saying I want to play soccer and trying to get a game with an Irish league/championship outfit.
What I mean is that for many years clubs like Bredagh, Carryduff, Lisburn etc have operated in Unionist areas or areas with big Unionist populations at least but have been kept going by the "Catholics" in those areas. The PUL community never took their kids to those clubs to give it a go (maybe the very odd one). Why do we think that this club will be different to that? Because this club is explicitly cross-community? Maybe but what is meant by that? What exactly are they doing differently to those other clubs, bar Ulster Scots which I imagine very few in the PUL community give 2 damns about?
Those clubs you mention (the first two anyway) have substantial demand for the provision of GAA in their areas and also have established feeder schools. When these clubs were forming EBG's predecessors were folding. I stand to be corrected but I don't know of any GAA club anywhere whose ethos is explicitly cross-community? That's what that means. It might be a success in that regard, it might not. But there is a tangible difference to how they've set up their club and their motives for doing so. Out of interest do other new clubs receive as much scrutiny as this team does?
They've just tweeted that ten of their 15 starters on their seconds team today have never played GAA before, so I suppose there's your answer.
I suppose people of the PUL community might be more inclined to join a new club than walking into an established one. Clean slate, everyone starting from scratch.
Although established clubs could probably do as much outreaching by hitting the Protestant schools, and getting them involved young.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 19, 2020, 02:52:50 PM
They've just tweeted that ten of their 15 starters on their seconds team today have never played GAA before, so I suppose there's your answer.
There you are hardstation. Ten bais getting the feel of a size 5 for the first time.
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2020, 03:46:31 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 19, 2020, 03:23:41 PM
I suppose people of the PUL community might be more inclined to join a new club than walking into an established one. Clean slate, everyone starting from scratch.
Although established clubs could probably do as much outreaching by hitting the Protestant schools, and getting them involved young.
I'd say being a brand new club probably is what they have going for them. I was just wondering what other clubs could copy from them if they wanted to attract the PUL community. Starting fresh isn't really an option for them.
Does anyone have any examples of PUL members in their own clubs? I know we've a couple of underage players at the min - albeit it from very moderate families.
The Loup are the only club in Derry I can think of with a reputation of attracting PUL players. In a lot of cases it friends of Loup players attending the Rainey school in Marafelt.
Green island. Wouldn't exactly be a stronghold of Gaa or nationalism either.
I get what you are saying hs. Obviously a good thing but does seem a disproportionate amount of press. I think Linda Ervine being involved , not a slight, has ratcheted it up a bit.
Good to have someone looking at a club round the east(ish) Antrim area. That kind of territory is predominantly uvf never mind loyalist. Wonder where they would play at.
[edit] green castle not greenisland
Wouldn't any PULs thinking of joining a GAA Club be of the very moderate type to start with?
I wouldn't say any of them would be in the orange order anyway... I would suspect so.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 19, 2020, 07:48:56 PM
Green island. Wouldn't exactly be a stronghold of Gaa or nationalism either.
I get what you are saying hs. Obviously a good thing but does seem a disproportionate amount of press. I think Linda Ervine being involved , not a slight, has ratcheted it up a bit.
Good to have someone looking at a club round the east(ish) Antrim area. That kind of territory is predominantly uvf never mind loyalist. Wonder where they would play at.
[edit] green castle not greenisland
Valley Leisure Centre/Jordanstown as far as I know. And there's been a club smack in the middle of east Antrim for more than 50 years. Just not a football club
I guess I meant further down than large / glenarm but fair point lol. It is obviously not easy there too. It would be very hard to start hurling from scratch - you just couldn't do it at adult level. Football you can do a bit more with.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 19, 2020, 09:16:25 PM
I guess I meant further down than large / glenarm but fair point lol. It is obviously not easy there too. It would be very hard to start hurling from scratch - you just couldn't do it at adult level. Football you can do a bit more with.
True and it will be interesting to see how East Belfast go with that – it won't be easy. Kind of on that subject, Buncrana beat Burt in the Donegal Championship today, five years after they had moved up to adult level – when Burt beat them 16-17 to 1-10 – although they had been building from underage.
Out of interest... and while im sure it's not as big an issue as in the North, but would many Protestants play GAA in southern counties?
Would Protestant schools in the south play GAA much or would they tend to play "foreign sports"? Would things tend to be similar with school curricula, on the sports scene, as up here?
Or is there another area in the north where a new club could be formed up over the next year or two?
Population wise, probably commuter belt or edge of Belfast perhaps with a growing population. I suppose thinking here or this East Belfast club but also the growing size of St. Enda's in Glengormley.
Quote from: BennyCake on July 19, 2020, 09:46:39 PM
Out of interest... and while im sure it's not as big an issue as in the North, but would many Protestants play GAA in southern counties?
Would Protestant schools in the south play GAA much or would they tend to play "foreign sports"? Would things tend to be similar with school curricula, on the sports scene, as up here?
I'd say in the Cities Protestant schools would be rugby and hockey orientated.
Nearest to here would be Sligo grammar school which is into the rugger.
I know a few Protestants here in Ros that play gaelic football same as their neighbours.
Mind you when your about 2% of the population you kind of go with the flow. Then again their grandparents generation wouldn't have indulged in Gaelic games.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 19, 2020, 04:24:20 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2020, 03:46:31 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 19, 2020, 03:23:41 PM
I suppose people of the PUL community might be more inclined to join a new club than walking into an established one. Clean slate, everyone starting from scratch.
Although established clubs could probably do as much outreaching by hitting the Protestant schools, and getting them involved young.
I'd say being a brand new club probably is what they have going for them. I was just wondering what other clubs could copy from them if they wanted to attract the PUL community. Starting fresh isn't really an option for them.
Does anyone have any examples of PUL members in their own clubs? I know we've a couple of underage players at the min - albeit it from very moderate families.
The Loup are the only club in Derry I can think of with a reputation of attracting PUL players. In a lot of cases it friends of Loup players attending the Rainey school in Marafelt.
Our club has good links with the local rugby club . We have a few young lads playing at under 11s and down as a result. Its something we hope to build on.
The reality is that the club is trying to make a difference. I saw someone earlier saying 'what are they doing to promote the Irish language apart from having Linda Ervine there?' Give them a f**king chance and get at least a second set of jerseys!!! Hand on heart I want to see them doing well. They are currently using a variety of fields, including the Our Lady and St Patrick's Knock school fields. I can see that being a great feeder school for them as there are a few good GAA men there helping them build some momentum.
The world evolves, our games along side it. The fewer sticks 'themmuns' have to beat us with the better.
Great colours too for the jerseys, black and amber, the colours of champions!
is is tongue in cheek or notably to point out that East Belfast GAC were playing against a team named after a influential Protestant
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 20, 2020, 11:41:35 AM
The reality is that the club is trying to make a difference. I saw someone earlier saying 'what are they doing to promote the Irish language apart from having Linda Ervine there?' Give them a f**king chance and get at least a second set of jerseys!!! Hand on heart I want to see them doing well. They are currently using a variety of fields, including the Our Lady and St Patrick's Knock school fields. I can see that being a great feeder school for them as there are a few good GAA men there helping them build some momentum.
The world evolves, our games along side it. The fewer sticks 'themmuns' have to beat us with the better.
Great colours too for the jerseys, black and amber, the colours of champions!
True, Kilkenny are the standard bearers of champions!!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 20, 2020, 11:41:35 AM
The reality is that the club is trying to make a difference. I saw someone earlier saying 'what are they doing to promote the Irish language apart from having Linda Ervine there?' Give them a f**king chance and get at least a second set of jerseys!!! Hand on heart I want to see them doing well. They are currently using a variety of fields, including the Our Lady and St Patrick's Knock school fields. I can see that being a great feeder school for them as there are a few good GAA men there helping them build some momentum.
The world evolves, our games along side it. The fewer sticks 'themmuns' have to beat us with the better.
Great colours too for the jerseys, black and amber, the colours of champions!
Agreed. (Except for the colours bit ;D)
Have the forms for transferring. Was talking to someone at my old club, who I havent played for since 2006, seem to think transfer deadline for the year was March.
Whats the story with this?
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 20, 2020, 02:13:22 PM
Have the forms for transferring. Was talking to someone at my old club, who I havent played for since 2006, seem to think transfer deadline for the year was March.
Whats the story with this?
That's transfers within the county you can move between counties at any stage of the year.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 20, 2020, 02:13:22 PM
Have the forms for transferring. Was talking to someone at my old club, who I havent played for since 2006, seem to think transfer deadline for the year was March.
Whats the story with this?
Normally there is no deadline. It usually takes about 6 weeks from request if no objections from club. I think it can all be done online as well now.
If a player hasn't played for a club for 2 years I am not sure if they need a transfer if they are no longer living in the parish.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 20, 2020, 02:13:22 PM
Have the forms for transferring. Was talking to someone at my old club, who I havent played for since 2006, seem to think transfer deadline for the year was March.
Whats the story with this?
It's done online now.
Get the club EastBelfast to make the request which will get sent to your old club for approval. It should be sorted within 7-10 days.
Inter county has no time limit
Club secretary uses servasport login details on http://pts.gaa.ie/login and initiates transfer using your email address and former club details. Takes 10 days max.
Internal transfer have a cut off date , usually 28th Feb.
Great stuff thanks men!
Watching East Belfast coming into existence begs the question why aren't the GAA setting up more clubs in Dublin?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 22, 2020, 02:25:19 PM
Watching East Belfast coming into existence begs the question why aren't the GAA setting up more clubs in Dublin?
Why?
Because it's local people in an area who see a need and then set about forming one with the County Board of that area.
Quote from: nearlymad on July 22, 2020, 02:33:25 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 22, 2020, 02:25:19 PM
Watching East Belfast coming into existence begs the question why aren't the GAA setting up more clubs in Dublin?
Why?
Because it's local people in an area who see a need and then set about forming one with the County Board of that area.
There is a need for the megaclubs in Dublin to be split or have another club in the area, but they make sure to ensure this doesn't come about.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 22, 2020, 02:25:19 PM
Watching East Belfast coming into existence begs the question why aren't the GAA setting up more clubs in Dublin?
They set up of their own accord. But I would question why existing clubs with potential growth are not helped more. Somebody mentioned Donegal hurling on here. They now have 10 clubs with senior teams- some achievement over last 10 years. Here in Derry we have 8. Ulster's strategy should have been to pour money time into Derry City and Coleraine hurling for 10 years as other clubs are well established, plus making massive efforts to get at least 2 more clubs. A lot of the starter clubs seem to become feeders for super clubs in Derry hurling.
The counter question would be though - do your county board actually give a shit about hurling?
For donegal to have 10 clubs is great going. I always remember there only being 2 talked about but there may have been a few more and only 2 winning.
Yeah then Setanta appeared.
Quote from: hardstation on July 22, 2020, 04:38:31 PM
I remember on many occasions not that long ago Donegal's entire hurling team, subs and all were from Burt.
And Buncrana beat Burt in senior championship at the week-end.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 22, 2020, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 22, 2020, 02:25:19 PM
Watching East Belfast coming into existence begs the question why aren't the GAA setting up more clubs in Dublin?
They set up of their own accord. But I would question why existing clubs with potential growth are not helped more. Somebody mentioned Donegal hurling on here. They now have 10 clubs with senior teams- some achievement over last 10 years. Here in Derry we have 8. Ulster's strategy should have been to pour money time into Derry City and Coleraine hurling for 10 years as other clubs are well established, plus making massive efforts to get at least 2 more clubs. A lot of the starter clubs seem to become feeders for super clubs in Derry hurling.
I don't think pumping money into areas is key. There should be more than one hurling club in Derry City and Coleraine have been punching well above their weight at senior level but may struggle when the Mc Goldericks leave the stage in the next few years.
Regional clubs is the way to go now. In Tyrone there's 3 or 4 new regional clubs formed over the past 10 years. Great to see.
Look at Dungannon, an unreal club with a huge amount of volunteers helping out. Mad for hurling. They've worked so hard to get things up and running and are totally dominant now.
People should learn from them.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 22, 2020, 04:26:36 PM
The counter question would be though - do your county board actually give a shit about hurling?
For donegal to have 10 clubs is great going. I always remember there only being 2 talked about but there may have been a few more and only 2 winning.
No they don't give a shit
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 22, 2020, 04:44:39 PM
Yeah then Setanta appeared.
Setanta have been in go since 1972. Won many county titles. Were on way down, got Armaghs best man, 4 of Strabane s best, a tipp senior, a Galway man and with the few class players they have , they just took off. Now they have couple good minor teams , will not be beaten this year
Quote from: marty34 on July 22, 2020, 04:54:56 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 22, 2020, 04:38:31 PM
I remember on many occasions not that long ago Donegal's entire hurling team, subs and all were from Burt.
And Buncrana beat Burt in senior championship at the week-end.
Twas a poor enough affair. Burt had lads quarantined buy buncrana beat them last year too
Quote from: marty34 on July 22, 2020, 05:00:42 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 22, 2020, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 22, 2020, 02:25:19 PM
Watching East Belfast coming into existence begs the question why aren't the GAA setting up more clubs in Dublin?
They set up of their own accord. But I would question why existing clubs with potential growth are not helped more. Somebody mentioned Donegal hurling on here. They now have 10 clubs with senior teams- some achievement over last 10 years. Here in Derry we have 8. Ulster's strategy should have been to pour money time into Derry City and Coleraine hurling for 10 years as other clubs are well established, plus making massive efforts to get at least 2 more clubs. A lot of the starter clubs seem to become feeders for super clubs in Derry hurling.
I don't think pumping money into areas is key. There should be more than one hurling club in Derry City and Coleraine have been punching well above their weight at senior level but may struggle when the Mc Goldericks leave the stage in the next few years.
Regional clubs is the way to go now. In Tyrone there's 3 or 4 new regional clubs formed over the past 10 years. Great to see.
Look at Dungannon, an unreal club with a huge amount of volunteers helping out. Mad for hurling. They've worked so hard to get things up and running and are totally dominant now.
People should learn from them.
Everything you have said is almost bang on.. ulster council set up a working group for city. Football clubs had big shopping list , na Magha asked for schools coach and second club in city. ER aren't fielding u18/16/14 this year but have lads with other teams . Be bad for Derry to see them sink. Dungannon are just fantastic but they do have teachers in schools pushing it which is a big plus. We have been totally left out of everything here in Derry city as far as county go, it's all about the football, DCSDC have a Gaelic games officer who totally shuns hurling-paul Simpson. hurling has no cumann na mbunscol structure etc eyc But Na Magha are the most travelled club in Ulster id say . Just need that extra wee bit of help at primary school level to sustain and grow
Oh I thought they were more recent. Killybegs I think had their first game at the weekend too.
Dungannon will be in division one of the Antrim leagues soon and were very unlucky not to be this year. They've come on massively. The Antrim leagues are more the Ulster leagues now anyway.
Derry is a big disappointment to me in hurling. Some of the players you've produced and the investment just isn't there. Collins is one of the better hurlers I have seen from Ulster and big geoff was top drawer too and there were many more. Slaughtneil wouldn't be doing what they are doing with bad hurlers either.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 22, 2020, 06:36:24 PM
Oh I thought they were more recent. Killybegs I think had their first game at the weekend too.
Dungannon will be in division one of the Antrim leagues soon and were very unlucky not to be this year. They've come on massively. The Antrim leagues are more the Ulster leagues now anyway.
Derry is a big disappointment to me in hurling. Some of the players you've produced and the investment just isn't there. Collins is one of the better hurlers I have seen from Ulster and big geoff was top drawer too and there were many more. Slaughtneil wouldn't be doing what they are doing with bad hurlers either.
Just that they had dips here and there. St Eunan's next best now after setsnta and put 2 teams out at weekend. Can't say enough good about Dungannon. Hurlers in Derry are second to none, but yeah ulster and county hasnt done much to push us on.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 22, 2020, 06:19:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 22, 2020, 05:00:42 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 22, 2020, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 22, 2020, 02:25:19 PM
Watching East Belfast coming into existence begs the question why aren't the GAA setting up more clubs in Dublin?
They set up of their own accord. But I would question why existing clubs with potential growth are not helped more. Somebody mentioned Donegal hurling on here. They now have 10 clubs with senior teams- some achievement over last 10 years. Here in Derry we have 8. Ulster's strategy should have been to pour money time into Derry City and Coleraine hurling for 10 years as other clubs are well established, plus making massive efforts to get at least 2 more clubs. A lot of the starter clubs seem to become feeders for super clubs in Derry hurling.
I don't think pumping money into areas is key. There should be more than one hurling club in Derry City and Coleraine have been punching well above their weight at senior level but may struggle when the Mc Goldericks leave the stage in the next few years.
Regional clubs is the way to go now. In Tyrone there's 3 or 4 new regional clubs formed over the past 10 years. Great to see.
Look at Dungannon, an unreal club with a huge amount of volunteers helping out. Mad for hurling. They've worked so hard to get things up and running and are totally dominant now.
People should learn from them.
Everything you have said is almost bang on.. ulster council set up a working group for city. Football clubs had big shopping list , na Magha asked for schools coach and second club in city. ER aren't fielding u18/16/14 this year but have lads with other teams . Be bad for Derry to see them sink. Dungannon are just fantastic but they do have teachers in schools pushing it which is a big plus. We have been totally left out of everything here in Derry city as far as county go, it's all about the football, DCSDC have a Gaelic games officer who totally shuns hurling-paul Simpson. hurling has no cumann na mbunscol structure etc eyc But Na Magha are the most travelled club in Ulster id say . Just need that extra wee bit of help at primary school level to sustain and grow
I would use Dungannon as an examplw to all. They're in strong football terroirty - surrounded by very strong football clubs but they have driven it on themselves. Now I'm sure they've got guidance etc. but it has been self-driven.
No point looking for money and funding etc. if structures are not correct. They would have no problem taking a coach of lads to Dublin on a Sunday morning to play a blitz - that's their mentality. Not waiting on help etc. from others.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 22, 2020, 02:25:19 PM
Watching East Belfast coming into existence begs the question why aren't the GAA setting up more clubs in Dublin?
They set up of their own accord. But I would question why existing clubs with potential growth are not helped more. Somebody mentioned Donegal hurling on here. They now have 10 clubs with senior teams- some achievement over last 10 years. Here in Derry we have 8. Ulster's strategy should have been to pour money time into Derry City and Coleraine hurling for 10 years as other clubs are well established, plus making massive efforts to get at least 2 more clubs. A lot of the starter clubs seem to become feeders for super clubs in Derry hurling.
I don't think pumping money into areas is key. There should be more than one hurling club in Derry City and Coleraine have been punching well above their weight at senior level but may struggle when the Mc Goldericks leave the stage in the next few years.
Regional clubs is the way to go now. In Tyrone there's 3 or 4 new regional clubs formed over the past 10 years. Great to see.
Look at Dungannon, an unreal club with a huge amount of volunteers helping out. Mad for hurling. They've worked so hard to get things up and running and are totally dominant now.
People should learn from them.
Everything you have said is almost bang on.. ulster council set up a working group for city. Football clubs had big shopping list , na Magha asked for schools coach and second club in city. ER aren't fielding u18/16/14 this year but have lads with other teams . Be bad for Derry to see them sink. Dungannon are just fantastic but they do have teachers in schools pushing it which is a big plus. We have been totally left out of everything here in Derry city as far as county go, it's all about the football, DCSDC have a Gaelic games officer who totally shuns hurling-paul Simpson. hurling has no cumann na mbunscol structure etc eyc But Na Magha are the most travelled club in Ulster id say . Just need that extra wee bit of help at primary school level to sustain and grow
I would use Dungannon as an examplw to all. They're in strong football terroirty - surrounded by very strong football clubs but they have driven it on themselves. Now I'm sure they've got guidance etc. but it has been self-driven.
No point looking for money and funding etc. if structures are not correct. They would have no problem taking a coach of lads to Dublin on a Sunday morning to play a blitz - that's their mentality. Not waiting on help etc. from others.
As I said, can't say enough good about them. Gaelfast will surely help Belfast though?
Reports of a suspect device left at their training ground this morning.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 22, 2020, 02:25:19 PM
Watching East Belfast coming into existence begs the question why aren't the GAA setting up more clubs in Dublin?
Why?
Because it's local people in an area who see a need and then set about forming one with the County Board of that area.
There is a need for the megaclubs in Dublin to be split or have another club in the area, but they make sure to ensure this doesn't come about.
Pitches are a problem for the idea of new clubs in Dublin. Where would a new club in the Ballyboden or Kilmacud area get a pitch?
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on August 06, 2020, 09:53:28 AM
Reports of a suspect device left at their training ground this morning.
Just reading that.
Wankers >:(
https://youtu.be/C17UesFoXZ4
Off The Ball Interview with Dave MCGreevey the fella that founded East Belfast GAA
Side note why do they call themselves East Belfast GAA and not GAC?
Quote from: MoChara on August 13, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
https://youtu.be/C17UesFoXZ4
Off The Ball Interview with Dave MCGreevey the fella that founded East Belfast GAA
Side note why do they call themselves East Belfast GAA and not GAC?
Whole thing a circus. Where have all these players been before now?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 13, 2020, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: MoChara on August 13, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
https://youtu.be/C17UesFoXZ4
Off The Ball Interview with Dave MCGreevey the fella that founded East Belfast GAA
Side note why do they call themselves East Belfast GAA and not GAC?
Whole thing a circus. Where have all these players been before now?
Yeah they have some people looking their 15 mins of fame. You have Jerome Quinn following them about like a puppy. Linda Ervine has been everywhere but the crib getting interviewed, have to keep the profile up..........
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Quote from: MoChara on August 13, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
https://youtu.be/C17UesFoXZ4
Off The Ball Interview with Dave MCGreevey the fella that founded East Belfast GAA
Side note why do they call themselves East Belfast GAA and not GAC?
Whole thing a circus. Where have all these players been before now?
Yeah they have some people looking their 15 mins of fame. You have Jerome Quinn following them about like a puppy. Linda Ervine has been everywhere but the crib getting interviewed, have to keep the profile up..........
I think Jerome Quinn is involved with coaching one of their teams but don't let that get in the way of A bit of good old fashioned begrudgery. As for you FBnS are you just jealous because you couldn't in your wildest dreams get the same sort of response to a new GAA club in your city?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 13, 2020, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: MoChara on August 13, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
https://youtu.be/C17UesFoXZ4
Off The Ball Interview with Dave MCGreevey the fella that founded East Belfast GAA
Side note why do they call themselves East Belfast GAA and not GAC?
Whole thing a circus. Where have all these players been before now?
Playing hockey it seems
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 13, 2020, 04:05:06 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 13, 2020, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: MoChara on August 13, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
https://youtu.be/C17UesFoXZ4
Off The Ball Interview with Dave MCGreevey the fella that founded East Belfast GAA
Side note why do they call themselves East Belfast GAA and not GAC?
Whole thing a circus. Where have all these players been before now?
Yeah they have some people looking their 15 mins of fame. You have Jerome Quinn following them about like a puppy. Linda Ervine has been everywhere but the crib getting interviewed, have to keep the profile up..........
Yes, quite. Do you have an alibi for the time when the suspect device was planted?
A couple of right oul begrudgers here or is it chauvinism against people who might not be proper "Gales"?
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Quote from: MoChara on August 13, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
https://youtu.be/C17UesFoXZ4
Off The Ball Interview with Dave MCGreevey the fella that founded East Belfast GAA
Side note why do they call themselves East Belfast GAA and not GAC?
Whole thing a circus. Where have all these players been before now?
Yeah they have some people looking their 15 mins of fame. You have Jerome Quinn following them about like a puppy. Linda Ervine has been everywhere but the crib getting interviewed, have to keep the profile up..........
I think Jerome Quinn is involved with coaching one of their teams but don't let that get in the way of A bit of good old fashioned begrudgery. As for you FBnS are you just jealous because you couldn't in your wildest dreams get the same sort of response to a new GAA club in your city?
Aye can't think why Jerome wants to coach the most high profile team about, not to drive traffic to his sites or give him content for the sites. Jerome is no mug
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 13, 2020, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: MoChara on August 13, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
https://youtu.be/C17UesFoXZ4
Off The Ball Interview with Dave MCGreevey the fella that founded East Belfast GAA
Side note why do they call themselves East Belfast GAA and not GAC?
Whole thing a circus. Where have all these players been before now?
Yeah they have some people looking their 15 mins of fame. You have Jerome Quinn following them about like a puppy. Linda Ervine has been everywhere but the crib getting interviewed, have to keep the profile up..........
I think Jerome Quinn is involved with coaching one of their teams but don't let that get in the way of A bit of good old fashioned begrudgery. As for you FBnS are you just jealous because you couldn't in your wildest dreams get the same sort of response to a new GAA club in your city?
Aye can't think why Jerome wants to coach the most high profile team about, not to drive traffic to his sites or give him content for the sites. Jerome is no mug
Seriously? You think Jerome makes a fortune doing what he does?
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Quote from: MoChara on August 13, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
https://youtu.be/C17UesFoXZ4
Off The Ball Interview with Dave MCGreevey the fella that founded East Belfast GAA
Side note why do they call themselves East Belfast GAA and not GAC?
Whole thing a circus. Where have all these players been before now?
Yeah they have some people looking their 15 mins of fame. You have Jerome Quinn following them about like a puppy. Linda Ervine has been everywhere but the crib getting interviewed, have to keep the profile up..........
I think Jerome Quinn is involved with coaching one of their teams but don't let that get in the way of A bit of good old fashioned begrudgery. As for you FBnS are you just jealous because you couldn't in your wildest dreams get the same sort of response to a new GAA club in your city?
Aye can't think why Jerome wants to coach the most high profile team about, not to drive traffic to his sites or give him content for the sites. Jerome is no mug
Seriously? You think Jerome makes a fortune doing what he does?
He did a good job at the Higher Education games - must work on his own.
Fair play to him.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 13, 2020, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: MoChara on August 13, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
https://youtu.be/C17UesFoXZ4
Off The Ball Interview with Dave MCGreevey the fella that founded East Belfast GAA
Side note why do they call themselves East Belfast GAA and not GAC?
Whole thing a circus. Where have all these players been before now?
Yeah they have some people looking their 15 mins of fame. You have Jerome Quinn following them about like a puppy. Linda Ervine has been everywhere but the crib getting interviewed, have to keep the profile up..........
I think Jerome Quinn is involved with coaching one of their teams but don't let that get in the way of A bit of good old fashioned begrudgery. As for you FBnS are you just jealous because you couldn't in your wildest dreams get the same sort of response to a new GAA club in your city?
100 percent we couldn't , envious, you bet.
But id be a bit pissed off with folk who wouldn't throw money or resources to clubs struggling for 60 years but are tripping over each other to get behind this. We actually had a transfer in for a lad who nobody ever heard of to east Belfast, odd. And the address he now has in ijn holylands,
💯 Percent
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 13, 2020, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: MoChara on August 13, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
https://youtu.be/C17UesFoXZ4
Off The Ball Interview with Dave MCGreevey the fella that founded East Belfast GAA
Side note why do they call themselves East Belfast GAA and not GAC?
Whole thing a circus. Where have all these players been before now?
Yeah they have some people looking their 15 mins of fame. You have Jerome Quinn following them about like a puppy. Linda Ervine has been everywhere but the crib getting interviewed, have to keep the profile up..........
I think Jerome Quinn is involved with coaching one of their teams but don't let that get in the way of A bit of good old fashioned begrudgery. As for you FBnS are you just jealous because you couldn't in your wildest dreams get the same sort of response to a new GAA club in your city?
Aye can't think why Jerome wants to coach the most high profile team about, not to drive traffic to his sites or give him content for the sites. Jerome is no mug
Aye cos videoing ladies football is where all the dough is these days lol
Begrudge East Belfast GAA!
Begrudge Jerome!
Begrudge everybody!
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 13, 2020, 07:12:13 PM
Quote from: general_lee on August 13, 2020, 04:10:49 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 13, 2020, 04:05:06 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 13, 2020, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: MoChara on August 13, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
https://youtu.be/C17UesFoXZ4
Off The Ball Interview with Dave MCGreevey the fella that founded East Belfast GAA
Side note why do they call themselves East Belfast GAA and not GAC?
Whole thing a circus. Where have all these players been before now?
Yeah they have some people looking their 15 mins of fame. You have Jerome Quinn following them about like a puppy. Linda Ervine has been everywhere but the crib getting interviewed, have to keep the profile up..........
I think Jerome Quinn is involved with coaching one of their teams but don't let that get in the way of A bit of good old fashioned begrudgery. As for you FBnS are you just jealous because you couldn't in your wildest dreams get the same sort of response to a new GAA club in your city?
100 percent we couldn't , envious, you bet.
But id be a bit pissed off with folk who wouldn't throw money or resources to clubs struggling for 60 years but are tripping over each other to get behind this. We actually had a transfer in for a lad who nobody ever heard of to east Belfast, odd. And the address he now has in ijn holylands,
💯 Percent
So??? Whats the point you're trying to make here?
The amount of crap on here in the last few pages is laughable. For what its worth, Jerome Quinn is not "following them round like a puppy". He's training the ladies team and is there every night. Some bitter bitter men about.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 13, 2020, 07:12:13 PM
Quote from: general_lee on August 13, 2020, 04:10:49 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 13, 2020, 04:05:06 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 13, 2020, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: MoChara on August 13, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
https://youtu.be/C17UesFoXZ4
Off The Ball Interview with Dave MCGreevey the fella that founded East Belfast GAA
Side note why do they call themselves East Belfast GAA and not GAC?
Whole thing a circus. Where have all these players been before now?
Yeah they have some people looking their 15 mins of fame. You have Jerome Quinn following them about like a puppy. Linda Ervine has been everywhere but the crib getting interviewed, have to keep the profile up..........
I think Jerome Quinn is involved with coaching one of their teams but don't let that get in the way of A bit of good old fashioned begrudgery. As for you FBnS are you just jealous because you couldn't in your wildest dreams get the same sort of response to a new GAA club in your city?
100 percent we couldn't , envious, you bet.
But id be a bit pissed off with folk who wouldn't throw money or resources to clubs struggling for 60 years but are tripping over each other to get behind this. We actually had a transfer in for a lad who nobody ever heard of to east Belfast, odd. And the address he now has in ijn holylands,
💯 Percent
Some dung talked there.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 13, 2020, 07:12:13 PM
Quote from: general_lee on August 13, 2020, 04:10:49 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 13, 2020, 04:05:06 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 13, 2020, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: MoChara on August 13, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
https://youtu.be/C17UesFoXZ4
Off The Ball Interview with Dave MCGreevey the fella that founded East Belfast GAA
Side note why do they call themselves East Belfast GAA and not GAC?
Whole thing a circus. Where have all these players been before now?
Yeah they have some people looking their 15 mins of fame. You have Jerome Quinn following them about like a puppy. Linda Ervine has been everywhere but the crib getting interviewed, have to keep the profile up..........
I think Jerome Quinn is involved with coaching one of their teams but don't let that get in the way of A bit of good old fashioned begrudgery. As for you FBnS are you just jealous because you couldn't in your wildest dreams get the same sort of response to a new GAA club in your city?
100 percent we couldn't , envious, you bet.
But id be a bit pissed off with folk who wouldn't throw money or resources to clubs struggling for 60 years but are tripping over each other to get behind this. We actually had a transfer in for a lad who nobody ever heard of to east Belfast, odd. And the address he now has in ijn holylands,
💯 Percent
So??? Whats the point you're trying to make here?
The amount of crap on here in the last few pages is laughable. For what its worth, Jerome Quinn is not "following them round like a puppy". He's training the ladies team and is there every night. Some bitter bitter men about.
2 points. Some wingnut who has never set foot in our club is claiming he has, now looking an imaginary transfer to EB. As I said , circus. And secondly holylands isn't even In east Belfast last time I checked.
Just a few side notes which tbh probably don't have major relevance.
As I said I'm openly envious. Not afraid to admit it, Ive spent years voluntarily in GAA with little return , feck it I probably need therapy at this stage ;D
Lets give it a break, lets see what happens when the dust settles and the drudgery of day to day running of a club goes.
If they can maintain that over a 5 to 6 year period then great, it may have legs and run for a while.
This was always going to bring attention and that has been the case, should other clubs feel that their needs are not being met, yeah course, we'd all love more funding/numbers/media/success
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2020, 10:43:04 AM
Lets give it a break, lets see what happens when the dust settles and the drudgery of day to day running of a club goes.
If they can maintain that over a 5 to 6 year period then great, it may have legs and run for a while.
This was always going to bring attention and that has been the case, should other clubs feel that their needs are not being met, yeah course, we'd all love more funding/numbers/media/success
Fair comment
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 14, 2020, 12:08:04 AM
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 13, 2020, 07:12:13 PM
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 13, 2020, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: MoChara on August 13, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
https://youtu.be/C17UesFoXZ4
Off The Ball Interview with Dave MCGreevey the fella that founded East Belfast GAA
Side note why do they call themselves East Belfast GAA and not GAC?
Whole thing a circus. Where have all these players been before now?
Yeah they have some people looking their 15 mins of fame. You have Jerome Quinn following them about like a puppy. Linda Ervine has been everywhere but the crib getting interviewed, have to keep the profile up..........
I think Jerome Quinn is involved with coaching one of their teams but don't let that get in the way of A bit of good old fashioned begrudgery. As for you FBnS are you just jealous because you couldn't in your wildest dreams get the same sort of response to a new GAA club in your city?
100 percent we couldn't , envious, you bet.
But id be a bit pissed off with folk who wouldn't throw money or resources to clubs struggling for 60 years but are tripping over each other to get behind this. We actually had a transfer in for a lad who nobody ever heard of to east Belfast, odd. And the address he now has in ijn holylands,
💯 Percent
So??? Whats the point you're trying to make here?
The amount of crap on here in the last few pages is laughable. For what its worth, Jerome Quinn is not "following them round like a puppy". He's training the ladies team and is there every night. Some bitter bitter men about.
2 points. Some wingnut who has never set foot in our club is claiming he has, now looking an imaginary transfer to EB. As I said , circus. And secondly holylands isn't even In east Belfast last time I checked.
Just a few side notes which tbh probably don't have major relevance.
As I said I'm openly envious. Not afraid to admit it, Ive spent years voluntarily in GAA with little return , feck it I probably need therapy at this stage ;D
Do most Belfast clubs not have players from different catchment areas?? Christ maybe his mate plays for EB or his woman plays camogie and he was coaxed out. Good luck to them. I hope they go on to great things.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 13, 2020, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: MoChara on August 13, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
https://youtu.be/C17UesFoXZ4
Off The Ball Interview with Dave MCGreevey the fella that founded East Belfast GAA
Side note why do they call themselves East Belfast GAA and not GAC?
Whole thing a circus. Where have all these players been before now?
Yeah they have some people looking their 15 mins of fame. You have Jerome Quinn following them about like a puppy. Linda Ervine has been everywhere but the crib getting interviewed, have to keep the profile up..........
I think Jerome Quinn is involved with coaching one of their teams but don't let that get in the way of A bit of good old fashioned begrudgery. As for you FBnS are you just jealous because you couldn't in your wildest dreams get the same sort of response to a new GAA club in your city?
100 percent we couldn't , envious, you bet.
But id be a bit pissed off with folk who wouldn't throw money or resources to clubs struggling for 60 years but are tripping over each other to get behind this. We actually had a transfer in for a lad who nobody ever heard of to east Belfast, odd. And the address he now has in ijn holylands,
💯 Percent
So??? Whats the point you're trying to make here?
The amount of crap on here in the last few pages is laughable. For what its worth, Jerome Quinn is not "following them round like a puppy". He's training the ladies team and is there every night. Some bitter bitter men about.
2 points. Some wingnut who has never set foot in our club is claiming he has, now looking an imaginary transfer to EB. As I said , circus. And secondly holylands isn't even In east Belfast last time I checked.
Just a few side notes which tbh probably don't have major relevance.
As I said I'm openly envious. Not afraid to admit it, Ive spent years voluntarily in GAA with little return , feck it I probably need therapy at this stage ;D
Do most Belfast clubs not have players from different catchment areas?? Christ maybe his mate plays for EB or his woman plays camogie and he was coaxed out. Good luck to them. I hope they go on to great things.
Carryduff have won last 3 down under 21s and Bredagh aren't far behind them. Not many blow in players would make either team. They'd have a decent chance of making the EB team though.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 13, 2020, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: MoChara on August 13, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
https://youtu.be/C17UesFoXZ4
Off The Ball Interview with Dave MCGreevey the fella that founded East Belfast GAA
Side note why do they call themselves East Belfast GAA and not GAC?
Whole thing a circus. Where have all these players been before now?
Yeah they have some people looking their 15 mins of fame. You have Jerome Quinn following them about like a puppy. Linda Ervine has been everywhere but the crib getting interviewed, have to keep the profile up..........
I think Jerome Quinn is involved with coaching one of their teams but don't let that get in the way of A bit of good old fashioned begrudgery. As for you FBnS are you just jealous because you couldn't in your wildest dreams get the same sort of response to a new GAA club in your city?
100 percent we couldn't , envious, you bet.
But id be a bit pissed off with folk who wouldn't throw money or resources to clubs struggling for 60 years but are tripping over each other to get behind this. We actually had a transfer in for a lad who nobody ever heard of to east Belfast, odd. And the address he now has in ijn holylands,
💯 Percent
So??? Whats the point you're trying to make here?
The amount of crap on here in the last few pages is laughable. For what its worth, Jerome Quinn is not "following them round like a puppy". He's training the ladies team and is there every night. Some bitter bitter men about.
2 points. Some wingnut who has never set foot in our club is claiming he has, now looking an imaginary transfer to EB. As I said , circus. And secondly holylands isn't even In east Belfast last time I checked.
Just a few side notes which tbh probably don't have major relevance.
As I said I'm openly envious. Not afraid to admit it, Ive spent years voluntarily in GAA with little return , feck it I probably need therapy at this stage ;D
Do most Belfast clubs not have players from different catchment areas?? Christ maybe his mate plays for EB or his woman plays camogie and he was coaxed out. Good luck to them. I hope they go on to great things.
Carryduff have won last 3 down under 21s and Bredagh aren't far behind them. Not many blow in players would make either team. They'd have a decent chance of making the EB team though.
Could Carryduff or Bredagh ever become a major force and win a Down champ in the future? With a lot of GAA ppl moving and settling in South Belfast there's bound to be some growth you'd think.
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Could Carryduff or Bredagh ever become a major force and win a Down champ in the future? With a lot of GAA ppl moving and settling in South Belfast there's bound to be some growth you'd think.
They only got promoted to division 1 this year so they might be looking to establish themselves at that level first but they are in the top few teams at most underage levels so they would probably be looking at a run in the senior championship in the next few years.
I seen on facebook someone noting that East Belfast has been placed in the United Kingdom GAA Clubs section of the O'Neills Website rather than the Irish Clubs section with all the other clubs across the 32 counties, that'll bristle a few hairs :D
Quote from: MoChara on August 28, 2020, 11:45:37 AM
I seen on facebook someone noting that East Belfast has been placed in the United Kingdom GAA Clubs section of the O'Neills Website rather than the Irish Clubs section with all the other clubs across the 32 counties, that'll bristle a few hairs :D
I think it is stupid for O'Neills to have a United Kingdom section of the website, when they really mean Britain.
So it should be properly renamed and East Belfast put in the proper section.
I see a new cross community club now starting up in Craigavon (Craigavon GAA). I thought there was enough clubs in the area without starting another one.
Quote from: angermanagement on September 15, 2020, 08:00:25 PM
I see a new cross community club now starting up in Craigavon (Craigavon GAA). I thought there was enough clubs in the area without starting another one.
Where are you seeing this
https://twitter.com/CraigavonGaa
Very weird. There's a club in Craigavon already, and 5 or 6 more within five miles of the place.
Agreed. Stupid idea. Gonna be a whole bandwagon of clubs opening up all over the place now.
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on September 15, 2020, 09:31:46 PM
https://twitter.com/CraigavonGaa
Very weird. There's a club in Craigavon already, and 5 or 6 more within five miles of the place.
This can't work. East Belfast can draw on experienced people from country places living around Belfast. Craigavon has few such people and those who have moved there are welcome in one of the existing clubs thereabouts. Cross community is all very fine if there is a cohort of middle ground people who might give it a go, but I doubt it.
The twitter link looks to be dead
The new East Belfast GAA club brings up some interesting challenges to the GAA ways.
Fwiw I agree to a large extent with Linda on the national flag and anthem issue. Imo, if a flag is to be flown on a GAA property anywhere, I'd go with the county GAA flag or/and a 4 province 32 county GAA flag.
Regardless, afaiu the GAA constitution Official Guide 1, the national flag does not have to be flown and the anthem does not have to be played.
The individual club can decide but should they decide to (play anthem, fly flag, they're required to follow the protocol.
https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/wyb4qbqzii6vstod1ygg.pdf (https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/wyb4qbqzii6vstod1ygg.pdf)
In the GAA constitution, the Official Guide 1, Aims and Ethos, it just states the protocol for "where the National Anthem precedes a game".
Also, the only reference to a flag is in Aims and Ethos Ch.1.8, where it states "a flag should be flown according to protocol".
"should" is not a demand that the flag be flown.
In a constitution of an Association, the Aims/ Ethos are just aspirational and no matter how deeply felt, they're not part of the constituted law.
In other words, a person /club cannot (legally) be brought to book or busted for a perceived breach of an aspiration even if the aspiration is written down in the constitution.
Also, fwiw, the GAA Official Guide 1 Chapter 1 is a mess. The chapter is titled "Aims and Ethos" and it follows that only the Aims and Ethos of the GAA should be outlined. Instead there is jumbled mix of rules, aims and ethos, resulting in a lack of coherency.
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Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on September 15, 2020, 09:48:06 PM
Agreed. Stupid idea. Gonna be a whole bandwagon of clubs opening up all over the place now.
Hardly a stupid idea. Maybe it won't work. No idea has a monopoly on success. But a cross community GAA club sounds like a very good idea.
Quote from: Main Street on September 18, 2020, 02:42:21 PM
The new East Belfast GAA club brings up some interesting challenges to the GAA ways.
Fwiw I agree to a large extent with Linda on the national flag and anthem issue. Imo, if a flag is to be flown on a GAA property anywhere, I'd go with the county GAA flag or/and a 4 province 32 county GAA flag.
Regardless, afaiu the GAA constitution Official Guide 1, the national flag does not have to be flown and the anthem does not have to be played.
The individual club can decide but should they decide to (play anthem, fly flag, they're required to follow the protocol.
https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/wyb4qbqzii6vstod1ygg.pdf (https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/wyb4qbqzii6vstod1ygg.pdf)
In the GAA constitution, the Official Guide 1, Aims and Ethos, it just states the protocol for "where the National Anthem precedes a game".
Also, the only reference to a flag is in Aims and Ethos Ch.1.8, where it states "a flag should be flown according to protocol".
"should" is not a demand that the flag be flown.
In a constitution of an Association, the Aims/ Ethos are just aspirational and no matter how deeply felt, they're not part of the constituted law.
In other words, a person /club cannot (legally) be brought to book or busted for a perceived breach of an aspiration even if the aspiration is written down in the constitution.
Also, fwiw, the GAA Official Guide 1 Chapter 1 is a mess. The chapter is titled "Aims and Ethos" and it follows that only the Aims and Ethos of the GAA should be outlined. Instead there is jumbled mix of rules, aims and ethos, resulting in a lack of coherency.
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Je suis Linda
Couldn't find a better place to post this
https://www.gaa.ie/news/justin-parks-story-shows-the-power-of-sporting-inclusivity/
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2021, 04:27:46 PM
Couldn't find a better place to post this
https://www.gaa.ie/news/justin-parks-story-shows-the-power-of-sporting-inclusivity/
A terrific read altogether - great to see this. A glimpse of what a new Ireland can be like...
In a bar in Spain the Iraqi barman recognises the previous week's all Ireland hurling final referee ;D
Great read that. I would say that boy would be good craic.
I trained with EB last week. Was very enjoyable. Looking forward to tomorrow and Friday now
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2021, 04:27:46 PM
Couldn't find a better place to post this
https://www.gaa.ie/news/justin-parks-story-shows-the-power-of-sporting-inclusivity/
👏👏👏👏👏👏
Quote from: charlieTully on April 20, 2021, 07:44:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2021, 04:27:46 PM
Couldn't find a better place to post this
https://www.gaa.ie/news/justin-parks-story-shows-the-power-of-sporting-inclusivity/
👏👏👏👏👏👏
Great story
I see a new pitch for them has been halted due to bigotry, Bryson stoking it up the p***k
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 03, 2022, 03:16:26 PM
I see a new pitch for them has been halted due to bigotry, Bryson stoking it up the p***k
And where did you see it was halted?
Quote from: imagine on August 03, 2022, 03:27:51 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 03, 2022, 03:16:26 PM
I see a new pitch for them has been halted due to bigotry, Bryson stoking it up the p***k
And where did you see it was halted?
I read Bryson made the whole fkn thing up!
It's in the BelTel
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/work-on-potential-east-belfast-gaa-pitch-halted-due-to-concerns-around-social-media-commentary-41888456.html
Are they basing this on one tweet from that bollix?
Time for him (bin lid) to go!
There is a concerted effort by him and his handlers to go after the GAA since the OO were caught out displaying their vile hatred towards the nationalist community.
Quote from: Hereiam on August 05, 2022, 10:42:46 AM
There is a concerted effort by him and his handlers to go after the GAA since the OO were caught out displaying their vile hatred towards the nationalist community.
And we shouldn't be giving him any fuel to light the fires... The police thing should have not been a issue but its created something to beat the GAA local with, having 2 St Michaels on the list of teams isnt unusual and didn't need to be highlighted, at the same time they didn't need to make a fuss out of it..
Hopefully lessons learned and move on from it
167 has no mandate.
The issue is that people give him oxygen by interacting & engaging with him.
While people think they are funny by responding to him/calling him out they are in effect part of the problem.
So at the moment he is going after the GAA - this is gaining traction because of the furor he is causing and people coming back at him.
If his ramblings got no attention then he would drift into obscurity.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 05, 2022, 10:55:12 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on August 05, 2022, 10:42:46 AM
There is a concerted effort by him and his handlers to go after the GAA since the OO were caught out displaying their vile hatred towards the nationalist community.
And we shouldn't be giving him any fuel to light the fires... The police thing should have not been a issue but its created something to beat the GAA local with, having 2 St Michaels on the list of teams isnt unusual and didn't need to be highlighted, at the same time they didn't need to make a fuss out of it..
Hopefully lessons learned and move on from it
Please tell me there isn't a whiff of even 1% of the 'blame' being apportioned to CNB
So you're running a 7s competition with entries from St Endas (Ballyboden), St Endas (Omagh) and St Endas (Glengormley), surely its prudent for each of the Endas and the teams playing against them to know which is which?
Quote from: tiempo on August 05, 2022, 11:12:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 05, 2022, 10:55:12 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on August 05, 2022, 10:42:46 AM
There is a concerted effort by him and his handlers to go after the GAA since the OO were caught out displaying their vile hatred towards the nationalist community.
And we shouldn't be giving him any fuel to light the fires... The police thing should have not been a issue but its created something to beat the GAA local with, having 2 St Michaels on the list of teams isnt unusual and didn't need to be highlighted, at the same time they didn't need to make a fuss out of it..
Hopefully lessons learned and move on from it
Please tell me there isn't a whiff of even 1% of the 'blame' being apportioned to CNB
So you're running a 7s competition with entries from St Endas (Ballyboden), St Endas (Omagh) and St Endas (Glengormley), surely its prudent for each of the Endas and the teams playing against them to know which is which?
I've ran or been involved in multiple competitions, I've never seen the need for it, if you are involved in GAA and don't know the difference between the teams you mentioned then I question your background in GAA...
I didnt blame anyone, I said we don't help ourselves when we leave ourselves open for people to have a pop at our association.
I really think that was completely innocent.
There is a large effort to tarnish the Gaa which from what I can see is just an agenda to detract from the orange order and to normalise it saying the other side do this too.
The people who do this have nothing positive to offer society and thrive on division. They should not be given a voice in the media.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 05, 2022, 11:30:43 AM
Quote from: tiempo on August 05, 2022, 11:12:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 05, 2022, 10:55:12 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on August 05, 2022, 10:42:46 AM
There is a concerted effort by him and his handlers to go after the GAA since the OO were caught out displaying their vile hatred towards the nationalist community.
And we shouldn't be giving him any fuel to light the fires... The police thing should have not been a issue but its created something to beat the GAA local with, having 2 St Michaels on the list of teams isnt unusual and didn't need to be highlighted, at the same time they didn't need to make a fuss out of it..
Hopefully lessons learned and move on from it
Please tell me there isn't a whiff of even 1% of the 'blame' being apportioned to CNB
So you're running a 7s competition with entries from St Endas (Ballyboden), St Endas (Omagh) and St Endas (Glengormley), surely its prudent for each of the Endas and the teams playing against them to know which is which?
I've ran or been involved in multiple competitions, I've never seen the need for it, if you are involved in GAA and don't know the difference between the teams you mentioned then I question your background in GAA...
I didnt blame anyone, I said we don't help ourselves when we leave ourselves open for people to have a pop at our association.
You suggested it didn't need to be highlighted, the difference between the teams is geography, if they all entered a competition together it would be prudent to name them appropriately so as to avoid confusion, the CNB officers clearly felt this in relation to having more than one St Michaels, naming the team correctly is not opening ourselves up, the fault for this storm in a teacup lies squarely with the PSNI and their apologists
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 05, 2022, 11:35:01 AM
I really think that was completely innocent.
There is a large effort to tarnish the Gaa which from what I can see is just an agenda to detract from the orange order and to normalise it saying the other side do this too.
The people who do this have nothing positive to offer society and thrive on division. They should not be given a voice in the media.
I agree, and these people will look at anything we do and put it down, I'm just saying don't give them a reason. People would have know which team was which and who'd have cared they are part of the GAA and that is that..
They will struggle to get any invitation to tournaments going forward because realistically who'd have the hassle? What they might end up doing is entering a league, do the Guards play in a league?
I agree 100% Tommy. If you were running an underage tournament and you had 2 teams, usually they would be A and B.
These tournaments are usually on multiple pitches, so it's common sense to have st johns drumnaquoile or St John's belfast identified.
It was a mountain made out of a molehill and to have the likes of Sean Kelly mep, ex gaa president, jumping in with 2 feet before he was made aware of the facts was even more sickening.
Quote from: tiempo on August 05, 2022, 11:38:15 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 05, 2022, 11:30:43 AM
Quote from: tiempo on August 05, 2022, 11:12:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 05, 2022, 10:55:12 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on August 05, 2022, 10:42:46 AM
There is a concerted effort by him and his handlers to go after the GAA since the OO were caught out displaying their vile hatred towards the nationalist community.
And we shouldn't be giving him any fuel to light the fires... The police thing should have not been a issue but its created something to beat the GAA local with, having 2 St Michaels on the list of teams isnt unusual and didn't need to be highlighted, at the same time they didn't need to make a fuss out of it..
Hopefully lessons learned and move on from it
Please tell me there isn't a whiff of even 1% of the 'blame' being apportioned to CNB
So you're running a 7s competition with entries from St Endas (Ballyboden), St Endas (Omagh) and St Endas (Glengormley), surely its prudent for each of the Endas and the teams playing against them to know which is which?
I've ran or been involved in multiple competitions, I've never seen the need for it, if you are involved in GAA and don't know the difference between the teams you mentioned then I question your background in GAA...
I didnt blame anyone, I said we don't help ourselves when we leave ourselves open for people to have a pop at our association.
You suggested it didn't need to be highlighted, the difference between the teams is geography, if they all entered a competition together it would be prudent to name them appropriately so as to avoid confusion, the CNB officers clearly felt this in relation to having more than one St Michaels, naming the team correctly is not opening ourselves up, the fault for this storm in a teacup lies squarely with the PSNI and their apologists
I'm not sure where the PSNI team would be labeled geography wise seeing as they are all over the 6 counties... St Michaels Belfast? I'm not sure, I didn't even know till this came up that they changed their name. I suggested it didn't need highlighted because I've never highlighted such things before when organising tournaments..
So the question would be, if CNB had the chance to do it again would they have named them any different ?.
Those that see the GAA as the IRA at play will never be turned in fairness, the hate in social media is tragic, that would if I was young enough be a good reason to get out
Quote from: ardtole on August 05, 2022, 11:42:56 AM
I agree 100% Tommy. If you were running an underage tournament and you had 2 teams, usually they would be A and B.
These tournaments are usually on multiple pitches, so it's common sense to have st johns drumnaquoile or St John's belfast identified.
It was a mountain made out of a molehill and to have the likes of Sean Kelly mep, ex gaa president, jumping in with 2 feet before he was made aware of the facts was even more sickening.
Yes I agree if they were in the the same group possibly but if you know teams, and in this case it wouldn't have needed anything other than St Michaels Belfast and St Michaels Omah or whatever, you'd have known full well you were playing the peelers ;)
Not giving a chance would be something like carefully naming grounds. You can't second guess every innocent thing you do. It wasn't well handled but it wasn't malicious.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 05, 2022, 11:48:06 AM
I'm not sure where the PSNI team would be labeled geography wise seeing as they are all over the 6 counties
Isn't the answer painfully self-evident... 'St Michaels PSNI' - which correctly differentiates them from the other St Michaels taking part and provides clarity
Its a crying shame here that CNB were progressive enough to invite them, and progressive enough to list them clearly and correctly, and its being construed in some way that they shouldn't have named them accordingly and with the benefit of hindsight they wouldn't have
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 05, 2022, 11:35:01 AM
I really think that was completely innocent.
There is a large effort to tarnish the Gaa which from what I can see is just an agenda to detract from the orange order and to normalise it saying the other side do this too.
The people who do this have nothing positive to offer society and thrive on division. They should not be given a voice in the media.
I said it before.
There's a concerted effort against anything Irish in general society, all driven by Bryson and his cohorts.
Bryson picks a topic and then there's a pile on by the DUP and TUV etc. A pattern.
Bryson is dictating and driving the agenda.
Eg. he's gone after nationalist parties, then academics, business people, Irish language and now, it's the GAA.
This is a campaign.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 05, 2022, 12:03:14 PM
Not giving a chance would be something like carefully naming grounds. You can't second guess every innocent thing you do. It wasn't well handled but it wasn't malicious.
There just might be issues with some ground names but there is no possible insult in describing a team by its own name.
Quote from: marty34 on August 05, 2022, 12:29:38 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 05, 2022, 11:35:01 AM
I really think that was completely innocent.
There is a large effort to tarnish the Gaa which from what I can see is just an agenda to detract from the orange order and to normalise it saying the other side do this too.
The people who do this have nothing positive to offer society and thrive on division. They should not be given a voice in the media.
I said it before.
There's a concerted effort against anything Irish in general society, all driven by Bryson and his cohorts.
Bryson picks a topic and then there's a pile on by the DUP and TUV etc. A pattern.
Bryson is dictating and driving the agenda.
Eg. he's gone after nationalist parties, then academics, business people, Irish language and now, it's the GAA.
This is a campaign.
But it is the people who disagree with him that are giving him the oxygen he needs to survive and stay relevant.
He thrives on the attention which leads to newspaper columns/TV appearances etc
Anyone who interacts with him on Twitter have to take responsibility for part of this
Quote from: tiempo on August 05, 2022, 12:05:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 05, 2022, 11:48:06 AM
I'm not sure where the PSNI team would be labeled geography wise seeing as they are all over the 6 counties
Isn't the answer painfully self-evident... 'St Michaels PSNI' - which correctly differentiates them from the other St Michaels taking part and provides clarity
Its a crying shame here that CNB were progressive enough to invite them, and progressive enough to list them clearly and correctly, and its being construed in some way that they shouldn't have named them accordingly and with the benefit of hindsight they wouldn't have
Again I lay no blame at CNB at all, I'm looking at the likes of Jamie and the Newsletter BT also for stirring up shit when its not there. All I said was we can take away that opportunity and have our association not looked at like the OO..
Bad headlines makes better news, I'm flat out involved with gaa for best part of 40 years, it's been my life and will continue to be, its annoying that people will stick the boot in when they can.
The GAA should give this club millions, purchase them a ground and let them grow
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2022, 08:48:51 AM
The GAA should give this club millions, purchase them a ground and let them grow
Why??
Surely their neighbours Bredagh would be equally as deserving of financial backing to secure their own club grounds. East Belfast are no more inclusive than any other gaa club.
Quote from: ardtole on August 06, 2022, 09:19:30 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2022, 08:48:51 AM
The GAA should give this club millions, purchase them a ground and let them grow
Why??
Surely their neighbours Bredagh would be equally as deserving of financial backing to secure their own club grounds. East Belfast are no more inclusive than any other gaa club.
100%
Quote from: ardtole on August 06, 2022, 09:19:30 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2022, 08:48:51 AM
The GAA should give this club millions, purchase them a ground and let them grow
Why??
Surely their neighbours Bredagh would be equally as deserving of financial backing to secure their own club grounds. East Belfast are no more inclusive than any other gaa club.
For the same reason they backwd the likes of Cuala. Big untapped catchment area and important symbolism
Why should East Belfast be fast tracked for funding, before the likes of Bredagh? What are East Belfast doing that Bredagh are not doing?.
I applaud the East Belfast team for their efforts but there are plenty of clubs in similar circumstances.
It's a leg up...or let's call it a start up grant...
Bredagh are a fantastic club but well established and hopefully getting their own ground would be the icing on the cake for them..
I'd love to see every club get finance or grant aid for their own facilities. But I don't see why East Belfast should be prioritised over the likes of Bredagh.
Quote from: ardtole on August 06, 2022, 11:12:40 AM
Why should East Belfast be fast tracked for funding, before the likes of Bredagh? What are East Belfast doing that Bredagh are not doing?.
I applaud the East Belfast team for their efforts but there are plenty of clubs in similar circumstances.
It's a joke tbh
Quote from: ardtole on August 06, 2022, 11:41:52 AM
I'd love to see every club get finance or grant aid for their own facilities. But I don't see why East Belfast should be prioritised over the likes of Bredagh.
Like I said it's more of a start grant rather than a constant flow of cash.. establishing a club requires money, to get that you need members, sponsorship, a pitch (be it own or council) the means to have kits and football hurls and the rest.
Couldn't imagine it's an easy undertaking.
Of course Bredagh aren't on their own in East Belfast area, St Pauls Holywood but again they are more established.
Why anyone would be against Croke spending on new clubs is beyond me
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 06, 2022, 09:36:42 AM
Quote from: ardtole on August 06, 2022, 09:19:30 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2022, 08:48:51 AM
The GAA should give this club millions, purchase them a ground and let them grow
Why??
Surely their neighbours Bredagh would be equally as deserving of financial backing to secure their own club grounds. East Belfast are no more inclusive than any other gaa club.
For the same reason they backwd the likes of Cuala. Big untapped catchment area and important symbolism
Naw can't agree. We have the biggest untapped area for hurling in Ireland and they won't give us a penny. They should not be getting any preferential treatment over lads who have ploughed lonely furrows for 30-40 years.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 06, 2022, 12:06:19 PM
Quote from: ardtole on August 06, 2022, 11:41:52 AM
I'd love to see every club get finance or grant aid for their own facilities. But I don't see why East Belfast should be prioritised over the likes of Bredagh.
Like I said it's more of a start grant rather than a constant flow of cash.. establishing a club requires money, to get that you need members, sponsorship, a pitch (be it own or council) the means to have kits and football hurls and the rest.
Couldn't imagine it's an easy undertaking.
Of course Bredagh aren't on their own in East Belfast area, St Pauls Holywood but again they are more established.
Why anyone would be against Croke spending on new clubs is beyond me
I'm not but we have given them 3 strategic plans and zero back. Naw id resent it and others won't say it but it's not fair
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 06, 2022, 12:06:33 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 06, 2022, 09:36:42 AM
Quote from: ardtole on August 06, 2022, 09:19:30 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2022, 08:48:51 AM
The GAA should give this club millions, purchase them a ground and let them grow
Why??
Surely their neighbours Bredagh would be equally as deserving of financial backing to secure their own club grounds. East Belfast are no more inclusive than any other gaa club.
For the same reason they backwd the likes of Cuala. Big untapped catchment area and important symbolism
Naw can't agree. We have the biggest untapped area for hurling in Ireland and they won't give us a penny. They should not be getting any preferential treatment over lads who have ploughed lonely furrows for 30-40 years.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 06, 2022, 12:06:33 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 06, 2022, 09:36:42 AM
Quote from: ardtole on August 06, 2022, 09:19:30 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2022, 08:48:51 AM
The GAA should give this club millions, purchase them a ground and let them grow
Why??
Surely their neighbours Bredagh would be equally as deserving of financial backing to secure their own club grounds. East Belfast are no more inclusive than any other gaa club.
For the same reason they backwd the likes of Cuala. Big untapped catchment area and important symbolism
Naw can't agree. We have the biggest untapped area for hurling in Ireland and they won't give us a penny. They should not be getting any preferential treatment over lads who have ploughed lonely furrows for 30-40 years.
Doesn't have to be either or
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 06, 2022, 12:25:55 PM
Plenty of existing clubs struggling to make ends meet, with limited or no facilities. Some even gone to the wall for these reasons & zero help forthcoming. Good luck to East Belfast but they are no more deserving than anyone else.
Who wouldn't like the money? I do think new clubs ( going forward) need some assistance... established clubs that are struggling need to look at what they are doing and get assistance in relation to how they can't bring it back...
There is a club (Belfast near Royal) that's gone that financially were very secure just couldn't get players, so things need to be looked at not just financially. But yes I know what you mean
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 06, 2022, 12:06:19 PM
Quote from: ardtole on August 06, 2022, 11:41:52 AM
I'd love to see every club get finance or grant aid for their own facilities. But I don't see why East Belfast should be prioritised over the likes of Bredagh.
Like I said it's more of a start grant rather than a constant flow of cash.. establishing a club requires money, to get that you need members, sponsorship, a pitch (be it own or council) the means to have kits and football hurls and the rest.
Couldn't imagine it's an easy undertaking.
Of course Bredagh aren't on their own in East Belfast area, St Pauls Holywood but again they are more established.
Why anyone would be against Croke spending on new clubs is beyond me
Have St. Paul's in Holywood their own pitch?
How long have they been going?
Is that a middle class area?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 06, 2022, 12:06:33 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 06, 2022, 09:36:42 AM
Quote from: ardtole on August 06, 2022, 09:19:30 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2022, 08:48:51 AM
The GAA should give this club millions, purchase them a ground and let them grow
Why??
Surely their neighbours Bredagh would be equally as deserving of financial backing to secure their own club grounds. East Belfast are no more inclusive than any other gaa club.
For the same reason they backwd the likes of Cuala. Big untapped catchment area and important symbolism
Naw can't agree. We have the biggest untapped area for hurling in Ireland and they won't give us a penny. They should not be getting any preferential treatment over lads who have ploughed lonely furrows for 30-40 years.
Is that not an advantage in a way?
A big city with only one hurling club.
Should be flying it.
Jeez Bredagh have good grounds do they not. 3 pitches no?
Are they not council pitches which bredagh use? The likes of st Malachys use them too. I've played other teams there too.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 06, 2022, 02:53:31 PM
Are they not council pitches which bredagh use? The likes of st Malachys use them too. I've played other teams there too.
Council pitches
Frig its is good set up for council pitches.
Quote from: marty34 on August 06, 2022, 02:42:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 06, 2022, 12:06:19 PM
Quote from: ardtole on August 06, 2022, 11:41:52 AM
I'd love to see every club get finance or grant aid for their own facilities. But I don't see why East Belfast should be prioritised over the likes of Bredagh.
Like I said it's more of a start grant rather than a constant flow of cash.. establishing a club requires money, to get that you need members, sponsorship, a pitch (be it own or council) the means to have kits and football hurls and the rest.
Couldn't imagine it's an easy undertaking.
Of course Bredagh aren't on their own in East Belfast area, St Pauls Holywood but again they are more established.
Why anyone would be against Croke spending on new clubs is beyond me
Have St. Paul's in Holywood their own pitch?
How long have they been going?
Is that a middle class area?
St.Pauls is the amalgamation of the old Bangor , N'ards and Holywood clubs in the 1980s but football was played from the 1920s . The ground the pitch is on belongs to the parish. The clubhouse was built in 2002
There are four feeder primary schools into the club
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Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2022, 08:48:51 AM
The GAA should give this club millions, purchase them a ground and let them grow
Why??
Surely their neighbours Bredagh would be equally as deserving of financial backing to secure their own club grounds. East Belfast are no more inclusive than any other gaa club.
For the same reason they backwd the likes of Cuala. Big untapped catchment area and important symbolism
Naw can't agree. We have the biggest untapped area for hurling in Ireland and they won't give us a penny. They should not be getting any preferential treatment over lads who have ploughed lonely furrows for 30-40 years.
Is that not an advantage in a way?
A big city with only one hurling club.
Should be flying it.
Only an advantage of you can get a full-time coach into schools. That was our proposal. Tumble weed from Ulster Council
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 06, 2022, 03:37:18 PM
Frig its is good set up for council pitches.
It must be 12 years since I was in Cherryvale, it was pretty basic back then.
Very different now. The whole place has been done up well - massive play park, running/walking trail, main pitch at the front, a good fenced off one at the side and an Astro pitch. At least if memory serves me correctly three pitches... I used to play on it and it was rubbish but very different now. Might be that small back pitch too but doesn't look heavily used. (Some soccer setup too).
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Quote from: ardtole on August 06, 2022, 11:41:52 AM
I'd love to see every club get finance or grant aid for their own facilities. But I don't see why East Belfast should be prioritised over the likes of Bredagh.
Like I said it's more of a start grant rather than a constant flow of cash.. establishing a club requires money, to get that you need members, sponsorship, a pitch (be it own or council) the means to have kits and football hurls and the rest.
Couldn't imagine it's an easy undertaking.
Of course Bredagh aren't on their own in East Belfast area, St Pauls Holywood but again they are more established.
Why anyone would be against Croke spending on new clubs is beyond me
Have St. Paul's in Holywood their own pitch?
How long have they been going?
Is that a middle class area?
St.Pauls is the amalgamation of the old Bangor , N'ards and Holywood clubs in the 1980s but football was played from the 1920s . The ground the pitch is on belongs to the parish. The clubhouse was built in 2002
There are four feeder primary schools into the club
What league do they play in?
Four primary schools is some conveyor belt.
I wonder how many members have they.
The 80's must have been a tough gig for them with everything going on.
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Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2022, 08:48:51 AM
The GAA should give this club millions, purchase them a ground and let them grow
Why??
Surely their neighbours Bredagh would be equally as deserving of financial backing to secure their own club grounds. East Belfast are no more inclusive than any other gaa club.
For the same reason they backwd the likes of Cuala. Big untapped catchment area and important symbolism
Naw can't agree. We have the biggest untapped area for hurling in Ireland and they won't give us a penny. They should not be getting any preferential treatment over lads who have ploughed lonely furrows for 30-40 years.
Is that not an advantage in a way?
A big city with only one hurling club.
Should be flying it.
Only an advantage of you can get a full-time coach into schools. That was our proposal. Tumble weed from Ulster Council
How do rural clubs run a gaa club?
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 06, 2022, 12:06:33 PM
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Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2022, 08:48:51 AM
The GAA should give this club millions, purchase them a ground and let them grow
Why??
Surely their neighbours Bredagh would be equally as deserving of financial backing to secure their own club grounds. East Belfast are no more inclusive than any other gaa club.
For the same reason they backwd the likes of Cuala. Big untapped catchment area and important symbolism
Naw can't agree. We have the biggest untapped area for hurling in Ireland and they won't give us a penny. They should not be getting any preferential treatment over lads who have ploughed lonely furrows for 30-40 years.
Is that not an advantage in a way?
A big city with only one hurling club.
Should be flying it.
Only an advantage of you can get a full-time coach into schools. That was our proposal. Tumble weed from Ulster Council
How do rural clubs run a gaa club?
Community.maxed out usually
There's a wee club in Greencastle trying to break down the boundaries in the predominantly loyalist Rathcoole and surrounding area. We move from pitch to pitch subject to what's available. Have us out goals damaged, stuff stolen, the one designated grass pitch we were supposed to have has now been turned back to a soccer pitch, maybe a wee hand from Croke Park would be good but we are not sexy enough to attack.....
That's an attack on Bryson and his ilk by the way not EB who are doing great work. A very wise person said last year the inevitable is happening. Nothing can stop it. The pain and suffering which will be meted on the nationalist and republican communities over the next 5 years will be hard, even by our 'own'. The census results could be a serious torch light. Prepare for a full frontal.
Should the money that'll be wasted on Casement Park be sent to clubs like Bredagh, Greencastle and the likes?
Whether Casement is a 10k seater + 30k standing makes no difference to the punters attending games at it, but the extra millions saved could make all the difference to a few clubs across the city.
[I'd also be in favour of only giving significant sums to clubs that have been running a while but are yet to find a home. Greencastle being (IMO) a better recipient than East Belfast. Handing out big sums of money too quickly will only lead to corruption.]
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Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2022, 08:48:51 AM
The GAA should give this club millions, purchase them a ground and let them grow
Why??
Surely their neighbours Bredagh would be equally as deserving of financial backing to secure their own club grounds. East Belfast are no more inclusive than any other gaa club.
For the same reason they backwd the likes of Cuala. Big untapped catchment area and important symbolism
Naw can't agree. We have the biggest untapped area for hurling in Ireland and they won't give us a penny. They should not be getting any preferential treatment over lads who have ploughed lonely furrows for 30-40 years.
Is that not an advantage in a way?
A big city with only one hurling club.
Should be flying it.
Only an advantage of you can get a full-time coach into schools. That was our proposal. Tumble weed from Ulster Council
How do rural clubs run a gaa club?
Community.maxed out usually
And?
The GAA spent a lot in Dublin, which ensures that the spread of the games in urban areas. They should now do likewise in Drogheda, Dundalk, Belfast, Derry etc.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 07, 2022, 09:15:26 AM
There's a wee club in Greencastle trying to break down the boundaries in the predominantly loyalist Rathcoole and surrounding area. We move from pitch to pitch subject to what's available. Have us out goals damaged, stuff stolen, the one designated grass pitch we were supposed to have has now been turned back to a soccer pitch, maybe a wee hand from Croke Park would be good but we are not sexy enough to attack.....
That's an attack on Bryson and his ilk by the way not EB who are doing great work. A very wise person said last year the inevitable is happening. Nothing can stop it. The pain and suffering which will be meted on the nationalist and republican communities over the next 5 years will be hard, even by our 'own'. The census results could be a serious torch light. Prepare for a full frontal.
Yip,
We're all going to be painted as terrorists or terrorist sympathisers with greater intensity as I think the census may be the starkest of warnings to Unionism that we're now in limbo in relation to the constitutional question with age demographics favouring nationalism but there's a good bit of work to be done in winning over that centre ground.
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Quote from: ardtole on August 06, 2022, 09:19:30 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2022, 08:48:51 AM
The GAA should give this club millions, purchase them a ground and let them grow
Why??
Surely their neighbours Bredagh would be equally as deserving of financial backing to secure their own club grounds. East Belfast are no more inclusive than any other gaa club.
For the same reason they backwd the likes of Cuala. Big untapped catchment area and important symbolism
Naw can't agree. We have the biggest untapped area for hurling in Ireland and they won't give us a penny. They should not be getting any preferential treatment over lads who have ploughed lonely furrows for 30-40 years.
Is that not an advantage in a way?
A big city with only one hurling club.
Should be flying it.
Only an advantage of you can get a full-time coach into schools. That was our proposal. Tumble weed from Ulster Council
What's Hinphey doing?
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 06, 2022, 09:36:42 AM
Quote from: ardtole on August 06, 2022, 09:19:30 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2022, 08:48:51 AM
The GAA should give this club millions, purchase them a ground and let them grow
Why??
Surely their neighbours Bredagh would be equally as deserving of financial backing to secure their own club grounds. East Belfast are no more inclusive than any other gaa club.
For the same reason they backwd the likes of Cuala. Big untapped catchment area and important symbolism
Naw can't agree. We have the biggest untapped area for hurling in Ireland and they won't give us a penny. They should not be getting any preferential treatment over lads who have ploughed lonely furrows for 30-40 years.
Is that not an advantage in a way?
A big city with only one hurling club.
Should be flying it.
Only an advantage of you can get a full-time coach into schools. That was our proposal. Tumble weed from Ulster Council
What's Hinphey doing?
He's out in county, good lad though
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Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2022, 08:48:51 AM
The GAA should give this club millions, purchase them a ground and let them grow
Why??
Surely their neighbours Bredagh would be equally as deserving of financial backing to secure their own club grounds. East Belfast are no more inclusive than any other gaa club.
For the same reason they backwd the likes of Cuala. Big untapped catchment area and important symbolism
Naw can't agree. We have the biggest untapped area for hurling in Ireland and they won't give us a penny. They should not be getting any preferential treatment over lads who have ploughed lonely furrows for 30-40 years.
Is that not an advantage in a way?
A big city with only one hurling club.
Should be flying it.
Only an advantage of you can get a full-time coach into schools. That was our proposal. Tumble weed from Ulster Council
What's Hinphey doing?
He's out in county, good lad though
???
As in rural county Derry?
No one with a remit in the city GDO wise or whatever they call themselves?
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Quote from: ardtole on August 06, 2022, 09:19:30 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2022, 08:48:51 AM
The GAA should give this club millions, purchase them a ground and let them grow
Why??
Surely their neighbours Bredagh would be equally as deserving of financial backing to secure their own club grounds. East Belfast are no more inclusive than any other gaa club.
For the same reason they backwd the likes of Cuala. Big untapped catchment area and important symbolism
Naw can't agree. We have the biggest untapped area for hurling in Ireland and they won't give us a penny. They should not be getting any preferential treatment over lads who have ploughed lonely furrows for 30-40 years.
Is that not an advantage in a way?
A big city with only one hurling club.
Should be flying it.
Only an advantage of you can get a full-time coach into schools. That was our proposal. Tumble weed from Ulster Council
What's Hinphey doing?
He's out in county, good lad though
???
As in rural county Derry?
No one with a remit in the city GDO wise or whatever they call themselves?
Yeah outside city. Nobody employed to look at city. Massive potential
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Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2022, 08:48:51 AM
The GAA should give this club millions, purchase them a ground and let them grow
Why??
Surely their neighbours Bredagh would be equally as deserving of financial backing to secure their own club grounds. East Belfast are no more inclusive than any other gaa club.
For the same reason they backwd the likes of Cuala. Big untapped catchment area and important symbolism
Naw can't agree. We have the biggest untapped area for hurling in Ireland and they won't give us a penny. They should not be getting any preferential treatment over lads who have ploughed lonely furrows for 30-40 years.
Is that not an advantage in a way?
A big city with only one hurling club.
Should be flying it.
Only an advantage of you can get a full-time coach into schools. That was our proposal. Tumble weed from Ulster Council
What's Hinphey doing?
He's out in county, good lad though
???
As in rural county Derry?
No one with a remit in the city GDO wise or whatever they call themselves?
Yeah outside city. Nobody employed to look at city. Massive potential
That is indeed astounding, city that size with no one working in it in terms of games development, I'm assuming hurling and football..
Ach sure it's a soccer city is probably the refrain, but sure look at Limerick, rugby city until Limerick CB got to work on that..
How many GAA clubs in Derry city?
Limerick must have 6 or 7 clubs in the city not to mention the ones on the edge of it.
Doire Trasna, Steelstown, Dolans, Doire Colmcille. Na Magha(Hurling) Ardmore about 3/4 Miles out. They need look at club boundaries for the city, alot go to Steelstown who not necessarily from that area.
Only way Derry City would progress is 10 coaches to cover all Primary and secondary schools. Drop off got to be nearly 80% of children from school age group to senior. Deprived City, so many move away,
Would need a real funding push to take on and change the soccer culture of Derry city. Not saying it can't be done but a lot of things would need to change/improve.
Firstly, the facilities provided by the council are abysmal and that is primarily down to the council members who are all soccer orientated. Very few Gaelic pitches available.
Primary school football needs to be better organised with regular competition and GPOs available to co-ordinate and promote. In several of the larger primary schools, there is still a shortage of teachers who have a gaa background and the desire to see our games thrive.
Celtic Park should be more available and it could be a real hub for primary and secondary games. It's really underutilized at present. GPOs would also be needed to improve the primary school /club link as I'm told that 80% of children at present do not have a formal link.
Finally, a divisional select from all the junior and intermediate clubs to play in the Derry senior championship would also be worthwhile and give those players an incentive to play at the highest level.
There are some great Gaels in the city and Derry's run in all Ireland recently will have increased the profile of the Gaa up there. St Columbs is also another sleeping giant and an untapped resource with 1200+ boys.
In summary, funding - a structured plan - right people on the ground.
Quote from: Silver hill on August 11, 2022, 08:51:40 AM
Would need a real funding push to take on and change the soccer culture of Derry city. Not saying it can't be done but a lot of things would need to change/improve.
Firstly, the facilities provided by the council are abysmal and that is primarily down to the council members who are all soccer orientated. Very few Gaelic pitches available.
Primary school football needs to be better organised with regular competition and GPOs available to co-ordinate and promote. In several of the larger primary schools, there is still a shortage of teachers who have a gaa background and the desire to see our games thrive.
Celtic Park should be more available and it could be a real hub for primary and secondary games. It's really underutilized at present. GPOs would also be needed to improve the primary school /club link as I'm told that 80% of children at present do not have a formal link.
Finally, a divisional select from all the junior and intermediate clubs to play in the Derry senior championship would also be worthwhile and give those players an incentive to play at the highest level.
There are some great Gaels in the city and Derry's run in all Ireland recently will have increased the profile of the Gaa up there. St Columbs is also another sleeping giant and an untapped resource with 2400+ boys and girls
In summary, funding - a structured plan - right people on the ground.
Fixed that ;)
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 11, 2022, 09:09:43 AM
You might want to fix it back.
I meant in Derry lol, not the school
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Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2022, 08:48:51 AM
The GAA should give this club millions, purchase them a ground and let them grow
Why??
Surely their neighbours Bredagh would be equally as deserving of financial backing to secure their own club grounds. East Belfast are no more inclusive than any other gaa club.
For the same reason they backwd the likes of Cuala. Big untapped catchment area and important symbolism
Naw can't agree. We have the biggest untapped area for hurling in Ireland and they won't give us a penny. They should not be getting any preferential treatment over lads who have ploughed lonely furrows for 30-40 years.
Is that not an advantage in a way?
A big city with only one hurling club.
Should be flying it.
Only an advantage of you can get a full-time coach into schools. That was our proposal. Tumble weed from Ulster Council
What's Hinphey doing?
He's out in county, good lad though
???
As in rural county Derry?
No one with a remit in the city GDO wise or whatever they call themselves?
Yeah outside city. Nobody employed to look at city. Massive potential
That is indeed astounding, city that size with no one working in it in terms of games development, I'm assuming hurling and football..
Ach sure it's a soccer city is probably the refrain, but sure look at Limerick, rugby city until Limerick CB got to work on that..
Limerick got an awful lot of funding from JP McManus, not sure many other counties would have a donor as generous.
So it's not really a fair comparison between Limerick and Derry.
I do agree Derry City seems to be an untapped resource. I'm not overly familiar, but was there not a GDO in derry city previously? Neil Forrester maybe?
It needs to be a sustained effort too, no point having someone working in schools for a year. It needs to be an ongoing long term process with realistic expectations of what that can achieve.
In my experience though, to get kids interested and keep them involved, the single biggest factor is the parents. They need to be engaged with the clubs, or perhaps the clubs need to be engaged with them more closely. It takes a huge amount of sustained effort from a club in city areas to get people through the door and keep them coming back. Without parents who are willing to take their kids and get involved no amount of games development officers will improve things drastically.
In the past we ran free family fun days, for example, to get families through the door who'd never have entertained the thought of it previously. It needs to be made as easy as possible and as inviting as possible for as many people as possible for a club to thrive, imo.
I don't think it can be as simple as a CB putting a GDO in place, it needs clubs and families to drive it first and foremost. Of course, that is going on already in a lot of cases, but sometimes it comes across like some clubs/counties site back and complain because their County Board or Croke Park are not doing anything for them. It's not easy in cities though as there are so many other distractions (not just soccer). Whereas lots of rural clubs only have the GAA. If you're not involved, there's nothing else, so you tend to get the whole community in the area being involved in some way.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 10, 2022, 10:48:48 PM
Only way Derry City would progress is 10 coaches to cover all Primary and secondary schools. Drop off got to be nearly 80% of children from school age group to senior. Deprived City, so many move away,
80% drop of kids between school age and senior might not be unique to Derry City. I'd guess in most clubs there's a huge drop off post school age. How many minors go on to make it at senior level? Generally if you get 4-5 new players filtering into a senior panel every year you are doing well. One of the major failings of the GAA imo. Social games need to become more prominent to provide for all.
The deprivation factor is a good point. Some kids simply cannot afford the gear/membership fees/travel expenses of getting to training or matches.
Perhaps innovative ideas here to make it easier to participate if you come from a deprived background. Funding for kit for example? Perhaps funding for a club minibus in a city area to pick up and drop off kids to training/matches?
All of this needs someone/or group of someone's within a club to organise and manage though.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 10, 2022, 10:48:48 PM
Only way Derry City would progress is 10 coaches to cover all Primary and secondary schools. Drop off got to be nearly 80% of children from school age group to senior. Deprived City, so many move away,
80% drop of kids between school age and senior might not be unique to Derry City. I'd guess in most clubs there's a huge drop off post school age. How many minors go on to make it at senior level? Generally if you get 4-5 new players filtering into a senior panel every year you are doing well. One of the major failings of the GAA imo. Social games need to become more prominent to provide for all.
The deprivation factor is a good point. Some kids simply cannot afford the gear/membership fees/travel expenses of getting to training or matches.
Perhaps innovative ideas here to make it easier to participate if you come from a deprived background. Funding for kit for example? Perhaps funding for a club minibus in a city area to pick up and drop off kids to training/matches?
All of this needs someone/or group of someone's within a club to organise and manage though.
Pumping money into it isn't the way to do it.
A proper plan needs to be put together.
Why should Derry City get it above other rural clubs who have their house in order. People think in rural clubs that the gaa is the only thing. Not true nowadays - there's loads of of distractions amd the drop out is as high I'd say in rural areas, as it is in city areas. Fact of life nowadays.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 10, 2022, 10:48:48 PM
Only way Derry City would progress is 10 coaches to cover all Primary and secondary schools. Drop off got to be nearly 80% of children from school age group to senior. Deprived City, so many move away,
80% drop of kids between school age and senior might not be unique to Derry City. I'd guess in most clubs there's a huge drop off post school age. How many minors go on to make it at senior level? Generally if you get 4-5 new players filtering into a senior panel every year you are doing well. One of the major failings of the GAA imo. Social games need to become more prominent to provide for all.
The deprivation factor is a good point. Some kids simply cannot afford the gear/membership fees/travel expenses of getting to training or matches.
Perhaps innovative ideas here to make it easier to participate if you come from a deprived background. Funding for kit for example? Perhaps funding for a club minibus in a city area to pick up and drop off kids to training/matches?
All of this needs someone/or group of someone's within a club to organise and manage though.
Pumping money into it isn't the way to do it.
A proper plan needs to be put together.
Why should Derry City get it above other rural clubs who have their house in order. People think in rural clubs that the gaa is the only thing. Not true nowadays - there's loads of of distractions amd the drop out is as high I'd say in rural areas, as it is in city areas. Fact of life nowadays.
I never suggesting pumping money in was the way to do it, but certainly money will be required. It doesn't need to be millions though.
For example, let say a club was to run a fun day (bouncy castles, ice cream van...you know the craic) to entice people through the doors. 2-3K would go a long way and would raise the club profile and generate a positive perception of the club being there to provide facilities to potential new families and players.
A bus, total guess, maybe 50K? If club got funding for a bus, they could perhaps swell their ranks by running a pickup/dropoff service with the bus.
That's what I mean by innovative ideas.
By involving more people, with the club directly the kids automatically get more access to volunteer coaches as opposed to paid for (usually temporary) games development officers in schools. The ideal scenario is for all of this to be running together over a prolonged period of time. That's where the real issue is I think....its so difficult to maintain momentum as people come and go.
I'd have no issue with East Belfast GAA, or any other club, getting funding provided its funding that is open to all to apply for and it is dispersed in a fair way.
In my mind, the more clubs and people involved across the board the better.
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 11, 2022, 02:45:50 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 11, 2022, 01:30:56 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 11, 2022, 12:05:49 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 10, 2022, 10:48:48 PM
Only way Derry City would progress is 10 coaches to cover all Primary and secondary schools. Drop off got to be nearly 80% of children from school age group to senior. Deprived City, so many move away,
80% drop of kids between school age and senior might not be unique to Derry City. I'd guess in most clubs there's a huge drop off post school age. How many minors go on to make it at senior level? Generally if you get 4-5 new players filtering into a senior panel every year you are doing well. One of the major failings of the GAA imo. Social games need to become more prominent to provide for all.
The deprivation factor is a good point. Some kids simply cannot afford the gear/membership fees/travel expenses of getting to training or matches.
Perhaps innovative ideas here to make it easier to participate if you come from a deprived background. Funding for kit for example? Perhaps funding for a club minibus in a city area to pick up and drop off kids to training/matches?
All of this needs someone/or group of someone's within a club to organise and manage though.
Pumping money into it isn't the way to do it.
A proper plan needs to be put together.
Why should Derry City get it above other rural clubs who have their house in order. People think in rural clubs that the gaa is the only thing. Not true nowadays - there's loads of of distractions amd the drop out is as high I'd say in rural areas, as it is in city areas. Fact of life nowadays.
I never suggesting pumping money in was the way to do it, but certainly money will be required. It doesn't need to be millions though.
For example, let say a club was to run a fun day (bouncy castles, ice cream van...you know the craic) to entice people through the doors. 2-3K would go a long way and would raise the club profile and generate a positive perception of the club being there to provide facilities to potential new families and players.
A bus, total guess, maybe 50K? If club got funding for a bus, they could perhaps swell their ranks by running a pickup/dropoff service with the bus.
That's what I mean by innovative ideas.
By involving more people, with the club directly the kids automatically get more access to volunteer coaches as opposed to paid for (usually temporary) games development officers in schools. The ideal scenario is for all of this to be running together over a prolonged period of time. That's where the real issue is I think....its so difficult to maintain momentum as people come and go.
I'd have no issue with East Belfast GAA, or any other club, getting funding provided its funding that is open to all to apply for and it is dispersed in a fair way.
In my mind, the more clubs and people involved across the board the better.
I think fair play to them for what they are doing. They do seem to get a disproportionate amount of media time and should be, in funding terms, on an even keel with any club. Tbh I sometimes wonder has that binlid Bryson ended up getting them good PR. (maybe he's a plant ;D)
Like BC says there's a team over on the shore road(give or take). Why if it's cross community are they not as deserving?
None of that to have a go at them - we're all equals and all that. Plenty of clubs been hammered in non nationalist areas for years too.
Named after a prod too Tommy ;D
should be quids in
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 11, 2022, 02:45:50 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 11, 2022, 01:30:56 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 11, 2022, 12:05:49 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 10, 2022, 10:48:48 PM
Only way Derry City would progress is 10 coaches to cover all Primary and secondary schools. Drop off got to be nearly 80% of children from school age group to senior. Deprived City, so many move away,
80% drop of kids between school age and senior might not be unique to Derry City. I'd guess in most clubs there's a huge drop off post school age. How many minors go on to make it at senior level? Generally if you get 4-5 new players filtering into a senior panel every year you are doing well. One of the major failings of the GAA imo. Social games need to become more prominent to provide for all.
The deprivation factor is a good point. Some kids simply cannot afford the gear/membership fees/travel expenses of getting to training or matches.
Perhaps innovative ideas here to make it easier to participate if you come from a deprived background. Funding for kit for example? Perhaps funding for a club minibus in a city area to pick up and drop off kids to training/matches?
All of this needs someone/or group of someone's within a club to organise and manage though.
Pumping money into it isn't the way to do it.
A proper plan needs to be put together.
Why should Derry City get it above other rural clubs who have their house in order. People think in rural clubs that the gaa is the only thing. Not true nowadays - there's loads of of distractions amd the drop out is as high I'd say in rural areas, as it is in city areas. Fact of life nowadays.
I never suggesting pumping money in was the way to do it, but certainly money will be required. It doesn't need to be millions though.
For example, let say a club was to run a fun day (bouncy castles, ice cream van...you know the craic) to entice people through the doors. 2-3K would go a long way and would raise the club profile and generate a positive perception of the club being there to provide facilities to potential new families and players.
A bus, total guess, maybe 50K? If club got funding for a bus, they could perhaps swell their ranks by running a pickup/dropoff service with the bus.
That's what I mean by innovative ideas.
By involving more people, with the club directly the kids automatically get more access to volunteer coaches as opposed to paid for (usually temporary) games development officers in schools. The ideal scenario is for all of this to be running together over a prolonged period of time. That's where the real issue is I think....its so difficult to maintain momentum as people come and go.
I'd have no issue with East Belfast GAA, or any other club, getting funding provided its funding that is open to all to apply for and it is dispersed in a fair way.
In my mind, the more clubs and people involved across the board the better.
Fair enough TBrick18.
I think a club, through local businesses, should be fit to fund/host days like that themselves.
There's a lot of goodwill out there if people are asked, they'll help out.
Coaches and man/woman power may be where the issue lies. But if a plan is put together in a structured and realistic way, it should work out.
Best thing to do is focus on the underage and plough the majority of resources into it....instead of the senior team.
Quote from: marty34 on August 11, 2022, 05:22:42 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 11, 2022, 02:45:50 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 11, 2022, 01:30:56 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 11, 2022, 12:05:49 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 10, 2022, 10:48:48 PM
Only way Derry City would progress is 10 coaches to cover all Primary and secondary schools. Drop off got to be nearly 80% of children from school age group to senior. Deprived City, so many move away,
80% drop of kids between school age and senior might not be unique to Derry City. I'd guess in most clubs there's a huge drop off post school age. How many minors go on to make it at senior level? Generally if you get 4-5 new players filtering into a senior panel every year you are doing well. One of the major failings of the GAA imo. Social games need to become more prominent to provide for all.
The deprivation factor is a good point. Some kids simply cannot afford the gear/membership fees/travel expenses of getting to training or matches.
Perhaps innovative ideas here to make it easier to participate if you come from a deprived background. Funding for kit for example? Perhaps funding for a club minibus in a city area to pick up and drop off kids to training/matches?
All of this needs someone/or group of someone's within a club to organise and manage though.
Pumping money into it isn't the way to do it.
A proper plan needs to be put together.
Why should Derry City get it above other rural clubs who have their house in order. People think in rural clubs that the gaa is the only thing. Not true nowadays - there's loads of of distractions amd the drop out is as high I'd say in rural areas, as it is in city areas. Fact of life nowadays.
I never suggesting pumping money in was the way to do it, but certainly money will be required. It doesn't need to be millions though.
For example, let say a club was to run a fun day (bouncy castles, ice cream van...you know the craic) to entice people through the doors. 2-3K would go a long way and would raise the club profile and generate a positive perception of the club being there to provide facilities to potential new families and players.
A bus, total guess, maybe 50K? If club got funding for a bus, they could perhaps swell their ranks by running a pickup/dropoff service with the bus.
That's what I mean by innovative ideas.
By involving more people, with the club directly the kids automatically get more access to volunteer coaches as opposed to paid for (usually temporary) games development officers in schools. The ideal scenario is for all of this to be running together over a prolonged period of time. That's where the real issue is I think....its so difficult to maintain momentum as people come and go.
I'd have no issue with East Belfast GAA, or any other club, getting funding provided its funding that is open to all to apply for and it is dispersed in a fair way.
In my mind, the more clubs and people involved across the board the better.
Fair enough TBrick18.
I think a club, through local businesses, should be fit to fund/host days like that themselves.
There's a lot of goodwill out there if people are asked, they'll help out.
Coaches and man/woman power may be where the issue lies. But if a plan is put together in a structured and realistic way, it should work out.
Best thing to do is focus on the underage and plough the majority of resources into it....instead of the senior team.
100% agree with that. Focus on those underage structures make the whole club focus on finding ways to make the children want to go there and take part. Involve the parents in coaching underage teams, work towards getting whole family buy in. Offer up the coaching courses to anyone with an interest.
Those parent helpers today are the fund raisers, coaches and committee members of the future. Over time, if this is all done right, you have a conveyor belt of kids, coaches, committee members and a means to generate the finance needed to run a club. My old club had even offered to pay for a coach to go into the local schools each week....doesn't amount to massive money when compared to the cost of running a club. Say 3 hours per school per week in a town with 4-5 schools. £400 a week would do a lot.
I'd love to see Gaelic coaches going into integrated schools. From what I've seen of the integrated sector, there's not much gaa coached there.
Games development officers can complement this and there's always the ability to apply for funding.
I'd hope the East Belfast club are trying to do this. It might be more difficult for a new club in an area like that to get enough children involved so that underage teams can be set up, so they'll always struggle and will probably be more dependant on funding than larger clubs.
But like I said, no issue with them getting the funding so long as it's through the same channels the rest of the clubs have to go through.
I actually think its a brilliant idea to set this club up. Ignoring the Bryson antics, it give any moderate unionist curious about the GAA the opportunity to go try it out for themselves. It also provides catholics in the area somewhere to go and play the sport they love. There are so many positive things about it and for me, this is what the GAA is about.