Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

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ThereAndBackAgain

Quote from: Keyser soze on December 13, 2023, 11:28:16 AMUkraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.

No, they didn't, they abstained. Which is wise, given the very existence of their country may depend on US aid and armaments, which is not guaranteed (despite the US guaranteeing Ukrainian sovereignty in exchange for them  giving up their nuclear weapons).

Armagh18

Quote from: Keyser soze on December 13, 2023, 11:28:16 AMUkraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.
Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

ThereAndBackAgain

Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2023, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on December 13, 2023, 11:28:16 AMUkraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.
Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

5times5times

Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2023, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on December 13, 2023, 11:28:16 AMUkraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.
Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

They abstained, which in my eyes equals voting against. Same as the Brits

ThereAndBackAgain

Quote from: 5times5times on December 13, 2023, 12:53:18 PM
Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2023, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on December 13, 2023, 11:28:16 AMUkraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.
Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

They abstained, which in my eyes equals voting against. Same as the Brits

Ireland was a member of the Axis during WW2 because they were weren't a member of the Allies. 

Keyser soze

Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 01:04:51 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on December 13, 2023, 12:53:18 PM
Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2023, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on December 13, 2023, 11:28:16 AMUkraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.
Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

They abstained, which in my eyes equals voting against. Same as the Brits

Ireland was a member of the Axis during WW2 because they were weren't a member of the Allies. 

Ireland was a neutral non-participant in WW2, don't what you have been reading. 

153 countries voted for a ceasefire, the rest didn't vote for a ceasefire, in effect their vote was for a continuation of the wholesale slaughter of innocent civilians.

ThereAndBackAgain

Quote from: Keyser soze on December 13, 2023, 01:14:39 PM
Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 01:04:51 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on December 13, 2023, 12:53:18 PM
Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2023, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on December 13, 2023, 11:28:16 AMUkraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.
Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

They abstained, which in my eyes equals voting against. Same as the Brits

Ireland was a member of the Axis during WW2 because they were weren't a member of the Allies. 

Ireland was a neutral non-participant in WW2, don't what you have been reading. 

153 countries voted for a ceasefire, the rest didn't vote for a ceasefire, in effect their vote was for a continuation of the wholesale slaughter of innocent civilians.

I was merely using an analogy to point out how ludicrous it is to compare a vote against something with an abstention. I'm not surprised it went over your head.

Armagh18

Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 01:04:51 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on December 13, 2023, 12:53:18 PM
Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2023, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on December 13, 2023, 11:28:16 AMUkraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.
Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

They abstained, which in my eyes equals voting against. Same as the Brits

Ireland was a member of the Axis during WW2 because they were weren't a member of the Allies. 
Totally different. But you know that anyway

ThereAndBackAgain

Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2023, 01:29:29 PM
Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 01:04:51 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on December 13, 2023, 12:53:18 PM
Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2023, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on December 13, 2023, 11:28:16 AMUkraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.
Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

They abstained, which in my eyes equals voting against. Same as the Brits

Ireland was a member of the Axis during WW2 because they were weren't a member of the Allies. 
Totally different. But you know that anyway

Yes of course my statement is incorrect, a bit like saying an abstention is the same as a vote against at the UN. No one knows what pressure is being brought to bear on Ukraine. They are in a fight for their survival and their biggest ally has shown recent signs of wavering. But sure they should just take a moral stance and take it on the chin when the essential to their very survival flow of aid and weapons dries up.

Keyser soze

Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2023, 01:29:29 PM
Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 01:04:51 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on December 13, 2023, 12:53:18 PM
Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2023, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on December 13, 2023, 11:28:16 AMUkraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.
Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

They abstained, which in my eyes equals voting against. Same as the Brits

Ireland was a member of the Axis during WW2 because they were weren't a member of the Allies. 
Totally different. But you know that anyway

Yes of course my statement is incorrect, a bit like saying an abstention is the same as a vote against at the UN. No one knows what pressure is being brought to bear on Ukraine. They are in a fight for their survival and their biggest ally has shown recent signs of wavering. But sure they should just take a moral stance and take it on the chin when the essential to their very survival flow of aid and weapons dries up.


They [rightly in my view] asked for, expected and accepted worldwide support for their resistance to an invasion by Russia.

They sought support for their stance in the UN criticising the invasion and used Russia's flagrant targetting of civilians and civilan infrastructure as a means of garnering sympathy and support for their cause.

Their gutless abstention the other night completely undermines that cause in my view. Using the targetting of civilians as means of raising support for your own cause but not showing an iota of empathy for an  even greater war crime is despicable.

I am fairly certain that a large percentage of people will share that view and that there will be a massive decrease in support for the Ukrainian cause as result of this. And rightly so.

tonto1888

Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2023, 01:29:29 PM
Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 01:04:51 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on December 13, 2023, 12:53:18 PM
Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2023, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on December 13, 2023, 11:28:16 AMUkraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.
Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

They abstained, which in my eyes equals voting against. Same as the Brits

Ireland was a member of the Axis during WW2 because they were weren't a member of the Allies. 
Totally different. But you know that anyway

Yes of course my statement is incorrect, a bit like saying an abstention is the same as a vote against at the UN. No one knows what pressure is being brought to bear on Ukraine. They are in a fight for their survival and their biggest ally has shown recent signs of wavering. But sure they should just take a moral stance and take it on the chin when the essential to their very survival flow of aid and weapons dries up.


if there was any pressure on Ukraine would it not have been to vote against the ceasefire like the US did?

ThereAndBackAgain

Quote from: Keyser soze on December 13, 2023, 01:49:01 PM
Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2023, 01:29:29 PM
Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 01:04:51 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on December 13, 2023, 12:53:18 PM
Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2023, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on December 13, 2023, 11:28:16 AMUkraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.
Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

They abstained, which in my eyes equals voting against. Same as the Brits

Ireland was a member of the Axis during WW2 because they were weren't a member of the Allies. 
Totally different. But you know that anyway

Yes of course my statement is incorrect, a bit like saying an abstention is the same as a vote against at the UN. No one knows what pressure is being brought to bear on Ukraine. They are in a fight for their survival and their biggest ally has shown recent signs of wavering. But sure they should just take a moral stance and take it on the chin when the essential to their very survival flow of aid and weapons dries up.


They [rightly in my view] asked for, expected and accepted worldwide support for their resistance to an invasion by Russia.

They sought support for their stance in the UN criticising the invasion and used Russia's flagrant targetting of civilians and civilan infrastructure as a means of garnering sympathy and support for their cause.

Their gutless abstention the other night completely undermines that cause in my view. Using the targetting of civilians as means of raising support for your own cause but not showing an iota of empathy for an  even greater war crime is despicable.

I am fairly certain that a large percentage of people will share that view and that there will be a massive decrease in support for the Ukrainian cause as result of this. And rightly so.

You say all this with the luxury of not having Russian missiles raining down on your head and having to rely on certain allies for your survival. But sure, according to you, more Ukrainian children should now die because of the political situation Ukraine finds itself in. You're an idealistic fool.

ThereAndBackAgain

Quote from: tonto1888 on December 13, 2023, 01:52:48 PM
Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2023, 01:29:29 PM
Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 01:04:51 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on December 13, 2023, 12:53:18 PM
Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2023, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on December 13, 2023, 11:28:16 AMUkraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.
Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

They abstained, which in my eyes equals voting against. Same as the Brits

Ireland was a member of the Axis during WW2 because they were weren't a member of the Allies. 
Totally different. But you know that anyway

Yes of course my statement is incorrect, a bit like saying an abstention is the same as a vote against at the UN. No one knows what pressure is being brought to bear on Ukraine. They are in a fight for their survival and their biggest ally has shown recent signs of wavering. But sure they should just take a moral stance and take it on the chin when the essential to their very survival flow of aid and weapons dries up.


if there was any pressure on Ukraine would it not have been to vote against the ceasefire like the US did?

Who knows but an abstention would be the natural choice for any country which finds itself in an awkward situation with regard to allies voting one way at the UN and perhaps not wanting to anger them.

Armagh18

Not sure how Ukraine can expect worldwide support and not even do something as simple as support for a ceasefire in Gaza.

Armagh18

Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 01:55:35 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 13, 2023, 01:52:48 PM
Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2023, 01:29:29 PM
Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 01:04:51 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on December 13, 2023, 12:53:18 PM
Quote from: ThereAndBackAgain on December 13, 2023, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2023, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on December 13, 2023, 11:28:16 AMUkraine voted against a ceasefire in Gaza, the hyprocritical shower of scumbags, they can go f**k themselves from now on as far as I'm concerned.
Yep. A f**king disgrace after the whole world rowed in behind them.

Can't you read? They didn't vote against it.

Did you row in behind Ukraine Armagh18, eh?

They abstained, which in my eyes equals voting against. Same as the Brits

Ireland was a member of the Axis during WW2 because they were weren't a member of the Allies. 
Totally different. But you know that anyway

Yes of course my statement is incorrect, a bit like saying an abstention is the same as a vote against at the UN. No one knows what pressure is being brought to bear on Ukraine. They are in a fight for their survival and their biggest ally has shown recent signs of wavering. But sure they should just take a moral stance and take it on the chin when the essential to their very survival flow of aid and weapons dries up.


if there was any pressure on Ukraine would it not have been to vote against the ceasefire like the US did?

Who knows but an abstention would be the natural choice for any country which finds itself in an awkward situation with regard to allies voting one way at the UN and perhaps not wanting to anger them.
If your allies are supporting Israel it's time to get new allies...