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Derry were not serious All Ireland contenders ffs. They are at a level below Kerry/Dublin, same as Armagh/Mayo/Galway/Tyrone/Donegal.

A few facts:
They beat Clare and Cork to get to AISFs the last 2 years.
Kerry played sh1te against them last year and still bate them.
They won the league final against Dublin reserves and believed the hype.

I also really think the new structure hurts teams in Derrys position. 4(?) weeks of no championship football before potentially playing Dublin or Kerry.

My prediction: they'll get through the group by beating the guff but will go out at the quarter final stage to a bigger team. Questions will remain over Harte but he will get to stay and we will see the same next year, only a bit worse.

True though they were being mooted with Dublin and Kerry as top 3. That league 'win' (penalty shootout) was very overstated and hyped. Harte got left behind in managing a long time ago. Hadn't beat Dublin, Kerry or Mayo in the championship 2009-2020. I don't think that would
have happened to Rory Gallagher today.

Yeah something like that wouldn't happen with a Rory Gallagher managed team

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0722/892196-galway-v-donegal-report/#:~:text=Galway%20routed%20Donegal%20with%20a,once%2Dfeared%20defence%20to%20shreds.


https://derrygaa.ie/allianz-football-league-roinn-2-derry-0-12-galway-4-11-20-03-22/

How impressive were Donegal in the midfield battle though

Hugely. You wouldn't have known Glass was playing.  Also worth noting Derry came into that game having scored 16 goals in 8 Division one games and today they scored none and struggled to create any with the way Jimmy had Donegal so well organised. 

Was the training camp too close to the game?

Harte no fan of those overseas training camps can see why today.

At least this nonsense of Derry being all ireland contenders can settle down for a while.

Doesn't Harte likes to win the All Ireland after getting knocked out of Ulster?

If there was any justice City would be stripped of all their titles. Will admit that Liverpool side did unbelievably well to get near that financially and I've a feeling physically doped team. Bit like that Mayo team running into the Dubs but at least Liverpool got their title!

Mayo are similar, All Ireland finals there to be won against Dublin in 2016,17 and found ways to lose them and even when they took out Dublin in 2012,2021 they ended up losing to Donegal,Tyrone.  We can all talk about the advantages of Manchester City and how much of soulless club there are however they weren't winning that 2021/22 league title without that Liverpool slip up with a few games to play against Tottenham who they more often than not beat in Anfield.

[winning the league nigh on impossible]

It is a shame that he came up against 115 charges FC in his tenure which made winning the league nigh on impossible and who knows, if they do throw the book at city in years to come, what he achieved may be more appreciated.

In season 2021/22 it wasn't that as a win against Tottenham at home instead of a draw with three games to play would have won the league title for Liverpool.

Liverpool huffed and puffed and couldn't blow the Atalanta house down. The top three in the Premier League this season all out of Europe the same week and unable to reach a semi final they were favourites to reach.

Klopp has to all in here! Pressuring from the get go..

Helps when you have the experience of a 5-0 win against that opposition on their home patch a few seasons ago.

They have made an awful balls of the underage county stuff.

Appears to be inconvenience for the powers to be. And HQ and have a desire for U19 grade.

What was wrong with u18 and u21 anyway?

Next to nothing. Páraic Duffy pushed for nearly a decade to scrap them before eventually getting his way before stepping down as Director General.

They have made an awful balls of the underage county stuff.

Appears to be inconvenience for the powers to be. And HQ and have a desire for U19 grade.

What's a soulless club?

A team that wasn't in running to win this competition and that all changed once they became a franchise propped up by an oil money. Whatever they win is not seen as any great achievement.

A good night for competition that's cup football for you. In truth nobody other than Manchester City supporters wanted to see such a soulless club go on to retain the Champions league title. PSG another soulless so for the health on the sport it will be for the best if they don't win it now that favourties are out.

Looking like a Manchester City v PSG Oil Rich Champions league final.

in the terms of total lack of discipline Barcelona have really taken the biscuit tonight.

[I'd probably put a division one League title above a provincial title now since its a national title where you have beaten the best 8 teams in the country over a 2 month period.]

Armagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over. 

The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.

Is it meaningful silverware?

At the start of the year there are 4 trophies you can win. Provincial pres season cup, divisional League, provincial championship and AI title. If you think it's not meaningful silverware then the 31 counties who fail to win Sam Maguire will have been failures at the end of the season. 

Success shouldn't be judged purely on silverware anyway imo since its all relative to a counties resources and current standing. No doubt the provincial championships have been devalued now but its still meaningful silverware and a prize worth lifting certainly for a county who haven't had much recent success. I'd probably put a division one League title above a provincial title now since its a national title where you have beaten the best 8 teams in the country over a 2 month period.   

Which is fair enough however in the terms of value winning Ulster will mean 1st seed and avoiding Kerry,Dublin in the group stage.

Like children on a schoolyard.

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