The Many Faces of US Politics...

[Taylor]

The looters are an absolute disgrace and have no interest in the peaceful protests.

In fact the peaceful protesters are being undermined by them.

Was Trump right to say shoot the looters or how do you actually control them?

[screenexile]

I thought everything was Antifa's fault though???

https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/antifa-trump-fbi/

The FBI are probably Antifa sympathisers that's it!

[NAG1]

The looters are an absolute disgrace and have no interest in the peaceful protests.

In fact the peaceful protesters are being undermined by them.

Was Trump right to say shoot the looters or how do you actually control them?

Trump is pretty much like the Tories/ Dup, whatever he says pretty much the opposite is better option.

[Taylor]

The looters are an absolute disgrace and have no interest in the peaceful protests.

In fact the peaceful protesters are being undermined by them.

Was Trump right to say shoot the looters or how do you actually control them?

Trump is pretty much like the Tories/ Dup, whatever he says pretty much the opposite is better option.

And pretty much like the Tories/DUP he will get voted in again.

[NAG1]

The looters are an absolute disgrace and have no interest in the peaceful protests.

In fact the peaceful protesters are being undermined by them.

Was Trump right to say shoot the looters or how do you actually control them?

Trump is pretty much like the Tories/ Dup, whatever he says pretty much the opposite is better option.

And pretty much like the Tories/DUP he will get voted in again.

Which probably says more about the US education system than anything.
Also says a lot about those more wealthy Americans who vote for these people knowing fine well what they represent, but waiting on that tax break to keep them sweet. The American Dream after all and I include a large swathe of wealthy Black Americans who voted for him. I wonder how they feel about their choice now, or was that quick boom and increase in the bank accounts worth it.

[Taylor]

The looters are an absolute disgrace and have no interest in the peaceful protests.

In fact the peaceful protesters are being undermined by them.

Was Trump right to say shoot the looters or how do you actually control them?

Trump is pretty much like the Tories/ Dup, whatever he says pretty much the opposite is better option.

And pretty much like the Tories/DUP he will get voted in again.

Which probably says more about the US education system than anything.
Also says a lot about those more wealthy Americans who vote for these people knowing fine well what they represent, but waiting on that tax break to keep them sweet. The American Dream after all and I include a large swathe of wealthy Black Americans who voted for him. I wonder how they feel about their choice now, or was that quick boom and increase in the bank accounts worth it.

I read a poll (obviously taken with a pinch of salt) that 79% want the National Guard sent in to sort the looters - if Trump does do that guess who comes up smelling of roses?

Social media, while pulling Trump to pieces over this, is not an accurate gauge of public opinion as we found out in a few recent votes

[NAG1]

The looters are an absolute disgrace and have no interest in the peaceful protests.

In fact the peaceful protesters are being undermined by them.

Was Trump right to say shoot the looters or how do you actually control them?

Trump is pretty much like the Tories/ Dup, whatever he says pretty much the opposite is better option.

And pretty much like the Tories/DUP he will get voted in again.

Which probably says more about the US education system than anything.
Also says a lot about those more wealthy Americans who vote for these people knowing fine well what they represent, but waiting on that tax break to keep them sweet. The American Dream after all and I include a large swathe of wealthy Black Americans who voted for him. I wonder how they feel about their choice now, or was that quick boom and increase in the bank accounts worth it.

I read a poll (obviously taken with a pinch of salt) that 79% want the National Guard sent in to sort the looters - if Trump does do that guess who comes up smelling of roses?

Social media, while pulling Trump to pieces over this, is not an accurate gauge of public opinion as we found out in a few recent votes

Yeah taking social media out of it because it becomes a cesspit at times, Trump and now the Tories have the same playbook. Blame everything on the MSM its all their fault they are lefties they are lying to you and his supporters and people who dont know any better lap it up. So they can pretty much do anything and have done and then turn it on the MSM (Cummings - #Scummedia).

It's a complete shit show and probably when these riots result in a massive Covid-19 spike Trump will climb out from below it and blame the protestors and MSM for the whole Pandemic mess up (which he created) and walk away scott free.

Oh what times we live in.

[Milltown Row2]

Just watched a video of looters in a what looked like a Nike store, dirty scumbags

[J70]

I see the GOP in Iowa have finally tossed out Steve King. After nine terms.

[sid waddell]

The looters are an absolute disgrace and have no interest in the peaceful protests.

In fact the peaceful protesters are being undermined by them.

Was Trump right to say shoot the looters or how do you actually control them?

Trump is pretty much like the Tories/ Dup, whatever he says pretty much the opposite is better option.

And pretty much like the Tories/DUP he will get voted in again.

Which probably says more about the US education system than anything.
Also says a lot about those more wealthy Americans who vote for these people knowing fine well what they represent, but waiting on that tax break to keep them sweet. The American Dream after all and I include a large swathe of wealthy Black Americans who voted for him. I wonder how they feel about their choice now, or was that quick boom and increase in the bank accounts worth it.

I read a poll (obviously taken with a pinch of salt) that 79% want the National Guard sent in to sort the looters - if Trump does do that guess who comes up smelling of roses?

Social media, while pulling Trump to pieces over this, is not an accurate gauge of public opinion as we found out in a few recent votes

Depends what you mean by social media, doesn't, it? Just because you maay not follow the far right onlinee doesn't mean it is not very heavily represented. It is.

I agree that social media can be an inaccurate guide - I mean if you'd followed Irish social media before the 8th Amendment referendum, and I did, you'd have been forgiven for expecting the No side to win, because they were overrpresented online in comparison to real support.

You'd be forgiven for thinking the far right in Ireland was polling at least 20-25%, such is their online presence. They're nowhere near that.

Trump supporting social media is mind numbingly stupid and crazy and made up mainly of circle jerking edglelords and bots. So any real person with a brain, especially in Ireland, tends not to follow such people or accounts.

That doeesn't mean Trump is under represented online. My strong feeling is that Trump and the far right are heavily overrpresented online. They have made online their key battleground in spreading fear and racist hatred. There is heavy astro-turfing from bots to give the impression that Trump has overwhelming support.

62 million people voted for Trump. There are 330 million people in the US. Trump supporters are a minority. They were a minority last time and they'll be a minority again this time, and very likely a minority of actual voters.

Of course whether the votes of the actual voters are accurately registered is another thing entirely. There's every reason to think they won't be, because the voting systems in many US states have been designed to be hackable.

[Taylor]

The looters are an absolute disgrace and have no interest in the peaceful protests.

In fact the peaceful protesters are being undermined by them.

Was Trump right to say shoot the looters or how do you actually control them?

Trump is pretty much like the Tories/ Dup, whatever he says pretty much the opposite is better option.

And pretty much like the Tories/DUP he will get voted in again.

Which probably says more about the US education system than anything.
Also says a lot about those more wealthy Americans who vote for these people knowing fine well what they represent, but waiting on that tax break to keep them sweet. The American Dream after all and I include a large swathe of wealthy Black Americans who voted for him. I wonder how they feel about their choice now, or was that quick boom and increase in the bank accounts worth it.

I read a poll (obviously taken with a pinch of salt) that 79% want the National Guard sent in to sort the looters - if Trump does do that guess who comes up smelling of roses?

Social media, while pulling Trump to pieces over this, is not an accurate gauge of public opinion as we found out in a few recent votes

Depends what you mean by social media, doesn't, it? Just because you maay not follow the far right onlinee doesn't mean it is not very heavily represented. It is.

I agree that social media can be an inaccurate guide - I mean if you'd followed Irish social media before the 8th Amendment referendum, and I did, you'd have been forgiven for expecting the No side to win, because they were overrpresented online in comparison to real support.

You'd be forgiven for thinking the far right in Ireland was polling at least 20-25%, such is their online presence. They're nowhere near that.

Trump supporting social media is mind numbingly stupid and crazy and made up mainly of circle jerking edglelords and bots. So any real person with a brain, especially in Ireland, tends not to follow such people or accounts.

That doeesn't mean Trump is under represented online. My strong feeling is that Trump and the far right are heavily overrpresented online. They have made online their key battleground in spreading fear and racist hatred. There is heavy astro-turfing from bots to give the impression that Trump has overwhelming support.

62 million people voted for Trump. There are 330 million people in the US. Trump supporters are a minority. They were a minority last time and they'll be a minority again this time, and very likely a minority of actual voters.

Of course whether the votes of the actual voters are accurately registered is another thing entirely. There's every reason to think they won't be, because the voting systems in many US states have been designed to be hackable.

You are forgetting the silent majority in the US.

Those that abhor the violence but are too afraid to come out and say so for fear of reprisals.

I fear the violent looters and violent protestors will ensure people give Trump another term.

If protests had been peaceful, Trump (and elements of the police) would have been shown up for what they are and Joe would have had an easy ride to the WH.

It certainly wont be easy now given the violence

[whitey]

Sid, Obama got 66 M votes out of 330 M people

LOL

[sid waddell]

The looters are an absolute disgrace and have no interest in the peaceful protests.

In fact the peaceful protesters are being undermined by them.

Was Trump right to say shoot the looters or how do you actually control them?

Trump is pretty much like the Tories/ Dup, whatever he says pretty much the opposite is better option.

And pretty much like the Tories/DUP he will get voted in again.

Which probably says more about the US education system than anything.
Also says a lot about those more wealthy Americans who vote for these people knowing fine well what they represent, but waiting on that tax break to keep them sweet. The American Dream after all and I include a large swathe of wealthy Black Americans who voted for him. I wonder how they feel about their choice now, or was that quick boom and increase in the bank accounts worth it.

I read a poll (obviously taken with a pinch of salt) that 79% want the National Guard sent in to sort the looters - if Trump does do that guess who comes up smelling of roses?

Social media, while pulling Trump to pieces over this, is not an accurate gauge of public opinion as we found out in a few recent votes

Depends what you mean by social media, doesn't, it? Just because you maay not follow the far right onlinee doesn't mean it is not very heavily represented. It is.

I agree that social media can be an inaccurate guide - I mean if you'd followed Irish social media before the 8th Amendment referendum, and I did, you'd have been forgiven for expecting the No side to win, because they were overrpresented online in comparison to real support.

You'd be forgiven for thinking the far right in Ireland was polling at least 20-25%, such is their online presence. They're nowhere near that.

Trump supporting social media is mind numbingly stupid and crazy and made up mainly of circle jerking edglelords and bots. So any real person with a brain, especially in Ireland, tends not to follow such people or accounts.

That doeesn't mean Trump is under represented online. My strong feeling is that Trump and the far right are heavily overrpresented online. They have made online their key battleground in spreading fear and racist hatred. There is heavy astro-turfing from bots to give the impression that Trump has overwhelming support.

62 million people voted for Trump. There are 330 million people in the US. Trump supporters are a minority. They were a minority last time and they'll be a minority again this time, and very likely a minority of actual voters.

Of course whether the votes of the actual voters are accurately registered is another thing entirely. There's every reason to think they won't be, because the voting systems in many US states have been designed to be hackable.

You are forgetting the silent majority in the US.

Those that abhor the violence but are too afraid to come out and say so for fear of reprisals.

I fear the violent looters and violent protestors will ensure people give Trump another term.

If protests had been peaceful, Trump (and elements of the police) would have been shown up for what they are and Joe would have had an easy ride to the WH.

It certainly wont be easy now given the violence

What does "the violence" refer to in your post? Does it refer to police violence and violence by far right agent provocateurs?

The "silent majority"? Very few people support looting. Who supports looting except looters? About 99% of the opulation do not support looting.

What does exist is a large section of white America which supports police brutality against black people.

It's not a majority in America but likely a heavy majority of Trump's support.

If you think such people are silent, you're very wrong. These people are louder than anybody else in society.

One thing racist Trump supporters are not is silent.

Just have a look at the poster above this one for evidence.

[Taylor]

What does exist is a large section of white America which supports police brutality against black people.
Have you evidence of this large section or just throwing it out there?

It's not a majority in America but likely a heavy majority of Trump's support.

If you think such people are silent, you're very wrong. These people are louder than anybody else in society.
The silent majority are those people who wont say they will vote Trump but will go to the Ballot box and select him and with the violent protestors causing carnage they will come out in their droves

One thing racist Trump supporters are not is silent.
It wont just be racists voting for him after this

Just have a look at the poster above this one for evidence.
Doesnt even warrant a comment Sid....no need

[whitey]

From WSJ

The Myth of Systemic Police Racism
Hold officers accountable who use excessive force. But there's no evidence of widespread racial bias.
By Heather Mac Donald
June 2, 2020 1:44 pm ET
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A demonstrator kneels before a police line in Washington, May 31.
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George Floyd's death in Minneapolis has revived the Obama-era narrative that law enforcement is endemically racist. On Friday, Barack Obama tweeted that for millions of black Americans, being treated differently by the criminal justice system on account of race is "tragically, painfully, maddeningly 'normal.' " Mr. Obama called on the police and the public to create a "new normal," in which bigotry no longer "infects our institutions and our hearts."

Joe Biden released a video the same day in which he asserted that all African-Americans fear for their safety from "bad police" and black children must be instructed to tolerate police abuse just so they can "make it home." That echoed a claim Mr. Obama made after the ambush murder of five Dallas officers in July 2016. During their memorial service, the president said African-American parents were right to fear that their children may be killed by police officers whenever they go outside.

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Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz denounced the "stain . . . of fundamental, institutional racism" on law enforcement during a Friday press conference. He claimed blacks were right to dismiss promises of police reform as empty verbiage.


This charge of systemic police bias was wrong during the Obama years and remains so today. However sickening the video of Floyd's arrest, it isn't representative of the 375 million annual contacts that police officers have with civilians. A solid body of evidence finds no structural bias in the criminal-justice system with regard to arrests, prosecution or sentencing. Crime and suspect behavior, not race, determine most police actions.

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines "unarmed" broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.


On Memorial Day weekend in Chicago alone, 10 African-Americans were killed in drive-by shootings. Such routine violence has continued—a 72-year-old Chicago man shot in the face on May 29 by a gunman who fired about a dozen shots into a residence; two 19-year-old women on the South Side shot to death as they sat in a parked car a few hours earlier; a 16-year-old boy fatally stabbed with his own knife that same day. This past weekend, 80 Chicagoans were shot in drive-by shootings, 21 fatally, the victims overwhelmingly black. Police shootings are not the reason that blacks die of homicide at eight times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined; criminal violence is.

The latest in a series of studies undercutting the claim of systemic police bias was published in August 2019 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The researchers found that the more frequently officers encounter violent suspects from any given racial group, the greater the chance that a member of that group will be fatally shot by a police officer. There is "no significant evidence of antiblack disparity in the likelihood of being fatally shot by police," they concluded.

A 2015 Justice Department analysis of the Philadelphia Police Department found that white police officers were less likely than black or Hispanic officers to shoot unarmed black suspects. Research by Harvard economist Roland G. Fryer Jr. also found no evidence of racial discrimination in shootings. Any evidence to the contrary fails to take into account crime rates and civilian behavior before and during interactions with police.

The false narrative of systemic police bias resulted in targeted killings of officers during the Obama presidency. The pattern may be repeating itself. Officers are being assaulted and shot at while they try to arrest gun suspects or respond to the growing riots. Police precincts and courthouses have been destroyed with impunity, which will encourage more civilization-destroying violence. If the Ferguson effect of officers backing off law enforcement in minority neighborhoods is reborn as the Minneapolis effect, the thousands of law-abiding African-Americans who depend on the police for basic safety will once again be the victims.


The Minneapolis officers who arrested George Floyd must be held accountable for their excessive use of force and callous indifference to his distress. Police training needs to double down on de-escalation tactics. But Floyd's death should not undermine the legitimacy of American law enforcement, without which we will continue on a path toward chaos.

Ms. Mac Donald is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute and the author of "The War on Cops," (Encounter Books, 2016).