Meath V Tyrone Qualifier Round 1 Saturday 9th June 2018

[omaghjoe]

Maybe.... but Mikey Burke fishhooked Eoghan O'Gara did he not?

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Every misbegotten cult has its foundation myth.

Point taken, Boylan's most ardent disciple, ever!

[Therealdonald]

Always found Meath over-rated. For Giles to be a 2-time player of the year when the Gooch couldn't win it once beggars belief. People fell into the trap of falling for Boylan's lovable Granda-ness. No coincidence that the introduction of drug testing finished that ''great'' Meath team.

[laceer]

Worried about this one. Tyrone have a right few injuries. Could be a short Summer.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Worried about this one. Tyrone have a right few injuries. Could be a short Summer.

Injuries notwithstanding, we'd struggle against Longford? (No disrespect Larries). *

* Sickening arrogance

[trileacman]

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/05/31/news/gavin-devlin-fires-back-at-sean-cavanagh-s-tyrone-criticisms-1343395/

The 2003 All-Ireland winner said he never had any problem discussing team matters with Harte during his playing days with Tyrone.

"If I had been captain, I have no doubt that I could have met Mickey and said: 'Mickey, I think this is what we should do,' or 'What about trying this?'

"I wouldn't sit and keep my mouth shut. I've had a number of conversations with Sean and he never mentioned anything about styles of play or what we should and shouldn't do. If he thought something wasn't right, as captain, why didn't he come and have a conversation with us rather than saying it in an RTE studio?

"That's my opinion on it... The captains we've had in the past, I've no doubt would have come to Mickey and had their say.

"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy."

Getting nasty now - puts Colm Cavanagh in an awkward position.

Tyrone were a long way off Sam standard in recent years.
And nobody criticises Mickey. He has been playing the same system for a long time.  Would be similar to Wenger. Managing a slow decline .

Nobody ever criticised Franco either.  They just changed everything after he left the stage 
In order to win all Irelands you have to get the players operating out of their skins . Tyrone don't get to that level.

Maybe Mickey thinks the players are not up to it so they have to be kept on a lead. Like the Irish soccer team.

It's harsh to say Harte has been playing the same system for a long time. The 3 All Ireland wins were won in 3 different styles and he has shown to be able to adapt to various strategies in his early career. In 03 it was a rather pragmatic, smothering game plan without much flair. The 05 was a more open, traditional strategy and in 08 they played a tactic freeing players to leave their positions, so you'd the beginnings of corner backs roaming up to score points and half-forwards/corner forwards dropping back into defence. Even within those years established players played in different roles, Sean cav, Ricey all played in diefferent positions in those all Ireland championship run.

For '08 till about '12 or '13 we played the same sort of strategy but it wasn't as previously successful as our team aged and others surpassed us tactically. Donegal's dominance really fucked Harte up and he'd no answer for McGuiness who tactically out smarted him  time and again. They're the real paradigm off which we are based for the last 4 years and to be fair to Harte it was more successful than the previous 4 years. In that regard it's not surprising he stuck with it as it returned us to winning trophies if, it must be said, in a rather uninspiring style.

Of course he had a different system with the all Ireland teams. Over the last 4 or 5 years he has stuck to the same style. It usually happens when a team doesn't have the players. Tyrone don't have good enough forwards to kick on but the manager has to keep the show on the road.

Over the last 5 years Dublin have had the same style. Donegal had the same style from Mc Guinness started until Gallagher left.

Another complete bullshit fallacy is that teams don't have the forwards so they play defensively. You play defensive football coz your defenders are shite and you're trying to cover for them. After Jordan, Gormley and Ricey retired we'd imitations of defenders and so became  defensive to cover their failings. We've had plenty of good forwards this past 5 years but they've fallen out of the game because they haven't been getting the support to play their game.

[Zulu]

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/05/31/news/gavin-devlin-fires-back-at-sean-cavanagh-s-tyrone-criticisms-1343395/

The 2003 All-Ireland winner said he never had any problem discussing team matters with Harte during his playing days with Tyrone.

"If I had been captain, I have no doubt that I could have met Mickey and said: 'Mickey, I think this is what we should do,' or 'What about trying this?'

"I wouldn't sit and keep my mouth shut. I've had a number of conversations with Sean and he never mentioned anything about styles of play or what we should and shouldn't do. If he thought something wasn't right, as captain, why didn't he come and have a conversation with us rather than saying it in an RTE studio?

"That's my opinion on it... The captains we've had in the past, I've no doubt would have come to Mickey and had their say.

"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy."

Getting nasty now - puts Colm Cavanagh in an awkward position.

Tyrone were a long way off Sam standard in recent years.
And nobody criticises Mickey. He has been playing the same system for a long time.  Would be similar to Wenger. Managing a slow decline .

Nobody ever criticised Franco either.  They just changed everything after he left the stage 
In order to win all Irelands you have to get the players operating out of their skins . Tyrone don't get to that level.

Maybe Mickey thinks the players are not up to it so they have to be kept on a lead. Like the Irish soccer team.

It's harsh to say Harte has been playing the same system for a long time. The 3 All Ireland wins were won in 3 different styles and he has shown to be able to adapt to various strategies in his early career. In 03 it was a rather pragmatic, smothering game plan without much flair. The 05 was a more open, traditional strategy and in 08 they played a tactic freeing players to leave their positions, so you'd the beginnings of corner backs roaming up to score points and half-forwards/corner forwards dropping back into defence. Even within those years established players played in different roles, Sean cav, Ricey all played in diefferent positions in those all Ireland championship run.

For '08 till about '12 or '13 we played the same sort of strategy but it wasn't as previously successful as our team aged and others surpassed us tactically. Donegal's dominance really fucked Harte up and he'd no answer for McGuiness who tactically out smarted him  time and again. They're the real paradigm off which we are based for the last 4 years and to be fair to Harte it was more successful than the previous 4 years. In that regard it's not surprising he stuck with it as it returned us to winning trophies if, it must be said, in a rather uninspiring style.

Of course he had a different system with the all Ireland teams. Over the last 4 or 5 years he has stuck to the same style. It usually happens when a team doesn't have the players. Tyrone don't have good enough forwards to kick on but the manager has to keep the show on the road.

Over the last 5 years Dublin have had the same style. Donegal had the same style from Mc Guinness started until Gallagher left.

Another complete bullshit fallacy is that teams don't have the forwards so they play defensively. You play defensive football coz your defenders are shite and you're trying to cover for them. After Jordan, Gormley and Ricey retired we'd imitations of defenders and so became  defensive to cover their failings. We've had plenty of good forwards this past 5 years but they've fallen out of the game because they haven't been getting the support to play their game.

Dublin have played the same style as Tyrone over the past 5 years?

[Fuzzman]

The poor Dubs fans have to wait to August til they get a game they can get excited about.
I'm out with about 10 of them 2nite and the chat is all about More Salad, World cup and could they get Tyrone, Monaghan and mayo in their super 8 group.

As a good mate asked me this week.
If it was The Dubs v a rest of Ireland 15 who would win.
The fact that you're thinking who would be in the rest of Ireland team says it all.

[Fuzzman]

It must be hard for Mead fans to watch teams like Tipp, Monaghan, Donegal even fecking Clare pass them out.

Was 96 the last time they ever made a semi?
Now not only so they gave up home advantage to the Dubs it they have let the Dubs infiltrate their true gaa strongholds and let their kids wear Dub shirts and talk about Brogan and Rocks.

À sad sad situation that a once proud county can't even rise up to being interested in their own province.

[southtyronegael]

did meath not make the semis after they beat tyrone in the 2007 q final?

[Fuzzman]

It might be true, but would a REAL Tyrone person post that on Here.
You might think it but if you were from another county with an agenda to influence feelings towards Harte then that post makes sense now

[thejuice]

We won Sam in 1999. We got to the final in 2001. Semis in 2007 and 2009. Won* Leinster in 2010.

Done f**k all since then worth talking about but we haven't had the players to be honest.

Teams rise and fall and we've had hard times before. With modern football the sand is nearly always shifting under your feet but by all indications we have built structures for underage that should start bearing fruit soon.

We'll just have to grin and bear it at senior level for now but there are enough committed people putting in the hard work now so that we'll be back up to the top in a few years. Right now the senior squad is really just going through the motions.

[southtyronegael]

It might be true, but would a REAL Tyrone person post that on Here.
You might think it but if you were from another county with an agenda to influence feelings towards Harte then that post makes sense now

was there a mistake in my post? it was the only one i could think of because it involved us. i never mentioned harte.

[seafoid]

It must be hard for Mead fans to watch teams like Tipp, Monaghan, Donegal even fecking Clare pass them out.

Was 96 the last time they ever made a semi?
Now not only so they gave up home advantage to the Dubs it they have let the Dubs infiltrate their true gaa strongholds and let their kids wear Dub shirts and talk about Brogan and Rocks.

À sad sad situation that a once proud county can't even rise up to being interested in their own province.

It's impossible to prevent a county from losing status once the process starts. It happens to everyone. I can even remember it happening to Kerry. Meath are probably at the bottom of the cycle now . They will be back again.

[ONeill]

Meath still put the fear in me. Even though we've probably turned them over more than they've managed that to us, when they do it rumbles on. On the plus side, it leads to an All-Ireland soon enough.