The Many Faces of US Politics...

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johnnycool

Quote from: SaffronSports on March 11, 2025, 08:23:24 PMTrump is doing an awful lot for Liz Truss' legacy. Wonder if he can kill a monarch too along with tanking the economy?

Never worry, those in the know will sell at the peak and buy in the dip.

The rich still make money in a recession.

theskull1

#26986
Quote from: theskull1 on November 12, 2024, 09:36:51 PMIsrael first as many predicted

Donald Trump's pro-Israel cabinet


No shock the way it's playing out but the US is not alone in this regard

Every western country has been subverted by the Zionists. They are a shower of crafty very powerful bastards.
It's a lot easier to sing karaoke than to sing opera

Dag Dog

Quote from: whitey on March 11, 2025, 03:13:38 PMLooks like Mehole might have some company in the Oval Office tomorrow

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/members-of-the-burke-family-on-plane-to-washington-ahead-of-taoiseachs-white-house-visit-with-trump/a438244273.html
This is great news for Ireland. It will distract Trump from Ireland sucking in billions of US multinational taxes. MAGAs would rather talk about transexuals and defeating woke.

Banks of the Bann

Quote from: johnnycool on March 11, 2025, 10:00:07 AM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on March 11, 2025, 09:14:04 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 11, 2025, 09:01:59 AM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on March 11, 2025, 08:37:23 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 11, 2025, 08:09:11 AM
Quote from: Look-Up! on March 11, 2025, 07:50:06 AMCertainly has exposed a huge flaw in the democracy model with media influence and misinformation used as tools of war in elections.

Harris was a bad candidate and the optics of denying there was any sort of decline in Biden's ability to function were a bad look. Americans voted for an "alternative", much like we did in Eurovision when we sent Dustin the Turkey to represent us. Although a bit of a cult here, our feathered hero went down like a lead balloon with our European friends.

We'll see if sanity prevails with current administration but so far it looks like this election will have serious geopolitical repercussions and cause a monumental shift in European policy and future transatlantic relations, long long after the current agitators are pushing up daisies.   

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

The US hasn't been a force for good in the world since WW2.

Unbridled capitalism, the wars, the coups, the support for dictators and despots throughout the world for "strategic" purposes have left too many dead and people left in poverty.

The Europeans also would like to forget their own colonial history when they set themselves up as the moral superiors of the natives throughout the world. And we know how that worked out and is still playing out in certain regions.

It's never a good thing having one "super power" who maintain that "power" with military might so a bit of equilibrium for a while might be a good thing.

 

The US committed many of the crimes you mention during the Cold War so 'equilibrium' didn't make a difference.

Things are going to get a lot, lot worse going forward with China wanting to exert their power and Russia looking to rebuild their former empire.

How you think that is a good thing is beyond me.

There will also be a new nuclear arms race. Ukraine, Poland, South Korea to name a few will all want nuclear arms and who could blame them.

Edit: not to mention whatever else the Trump regime get up to in the next four years.

China is an interesting one as there's no doubt they are building their military capabilities, but how many Chinese Military bases are surrounding the US and who many US military bases are surrounding China?

what came first?



You think China are only building their military power as a result of US military bases in Asia-Pacific? Who told you that? John Pilger?

Is there a  US plan to invade China now?

China wants to invade Taiwan because of US military bases in the region?

That's the US slant on it alright, but ask yourself why would the US military need so many bases in South Korea, Japan and various islands in the area?

Now ask yourself if China had the same proliferation of Military bases so close to the US Mainland what would the US's response be?

The US gets this mantra of "world peacekeepers" which I'd seriously question.

China wants to invade Taiwan, they may well do, but just how many countries has China actually invaded compared to the US in the last few decades?




All your points are completely irrelevant to the point I was making.

You said a bit of 'equilibrium' would be a good thing in the world.

All your co-called 'equilibrium' is bringing to the world is cesspit Russia invading and bullying it's neighbours and China threatening to invade Taiwan.

You're basically Skull-lite. Your world view cannot comprehend that there is more than one bad actor in the world. It's always the big bad old USA, everything everybody else does is twisted into being some kind of response to the USA. Ridiculous.

Banks of the Bann

Quote from: balladmaker on March 11, 2025, 10:22:10 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 11, 2025, 10:00:07 AM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on March 11, 2025, 09:14:04 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 11, 2025, 09:01:59 AM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on March 11, 2025, 08:37:23 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 11, 2025, 08:09:11 AM
Quote from: Look-Up! on March 11, 2025, 07:50:06 AMCertainly has exposed a huge flaw in the democracy model with media influence and misinformation used as tools of war in elections.

Harris was a bad candidate and the optics of denying there was any sort of decline in Biden's ability to function were a bad look. Americans voted for an "alternative", much like we did in Eurovision when we sent Dustin the Turkey to represent us. Although a bit of a cult here, our feathered hero went down like a lead balloon with our European friends.

We'll see if sanity prevails with current administration but so far it looks like this election will have serious geopolitical repercussions and cause a monumental shift in European policy and future transatlantic relations, long long after the current agitators are pushing up daisies.   

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

The US hasn't been a force for good in the world since WW2.

Unbridled capitalism, the wars, the coups, the support for dictators and despots throughout the world for "strategic" purposes have left too many dead and people left in poverty.

The Europeans also would like to forget their own colonial history when they set themselves up as the moral superiors of the natives throughout the world. And we know how that worked out and is still playing out in certain regions.

It's never a good thing having one "super power" who maintain that "power" with military might so a bit of equilibrium for a while might be a good thing.

 

The US committed many of the crimes you mention during the Cold War so 'equilibrium' didn't make a difference.

Things are going to get a lot, lot worse going forward with China wanting to exert their power and Russia looking to rebuild their former empire.

How you think that is a good thing is beyond me.

There will also be a new nuclear arms race. Ukraine, Poland, South Korea to name a few will all want nuclear arms and who could blame them.

Edit: not to mention whatever else the Trump regime get up to in the next four years.

China is an interesting one as there's no doubt they are building their military capabilities, but how many Chinese Military bases are surrounding the US and who many US military bases are surrounding China?

what came first?



You think China are only building their military power as a result of US military bases in Asia-Pacific? Who told you that? John Pilger?

Is there a  US plan to invade China now?

China wants to invade Taiwan because of US military bases in the region?

That's the US slant on it alright, but ask yourself why would the US military need so many bases in South Korea, Japan and various islands in the area?

Now ask yourself if China had the same proliferation of Military bases so close to the US Mainland what would the US's response be?

The US gets this mantra of "world peacekeepers" which I'd seriously question.

China wants to invade Taiwan, they may well do, but just how many countries has China actually invaded compared to the US in the last few decades?


+1

China were focused on turning their country into the world's dominant superpower, meanwhile the US is largely a poverty stricken wasteland where only the elite have prospered.  Excellent point ref. US bases in Asia Pacific, imagine Chinese bases littered around the Caribbean and Golf of Mexico.

Ah yes, utopian China, where companies put wire meshes on the balconies of the accommodation dormitories their employees live in (like battery hens) to stop them committing suicide.

Part of China's plans on becoming a superpower appear to be invading and annexing Taiwan - you're all in favour of that are you?




 

johnnycool

Quote from: Banks of the Bann on March 12, 2025, 11:23:25 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 11, 2025, 10:00:07 AM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on March 11, 2025, 09:14:04 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 11, 2025, 09:01:59 AM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on March 11, 2025, 08:37:23 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 11, 2025, 08:09:11 AM
Quote from: Look-Up! on March 11, 2025, 07:50:06 AMCertainly has exposed a huge flaw in the democracy model with media influence and misinformation used as tools of war in elections.

Harris was a bad candidate and the optics of denying there was any sort of decline in Biden's ability to function were a bad look. Americans voted for an "alternative", much like we did in Eurovision when we sent Dustin the Turkey to represent us. Although a bit of a cult here, our feathered hero went down like a lead balloon with our European friends.

We'll see if sanity prevails with current administration but so far it looks like this election will have serious geopolitical repercussions and cause a monumental shift in European policy and future transatlantic relations, long long after the current agitators are pushing up daisies.   

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

The US hasn't been a force for good in the world since WW2.

Unbridled capitalism, the wars, the coups, the support for dictators and despots throughout the world for "strategic" purposes have left too many dead and people left in poverty.

The Europeans also would like to forget their own colonial history when they set themselves up as the moral superiors of the natives throughout the world. And we know how that worked out and is still playing out in certain regions.

It's never a good thing having one "super power" who maintain that "power" with military might so a bit of equilibrium for a while might be a good thing.

 

The US committed many of the crimes you mention during the Cold War so 'equilibrium' didn't make a difference.

Things are going to get a lot, lot worse going forward with China wanting to exert their power and Russia looking to rebuild their former empire.

How you think that is a good thing is beyond me.

There will also be a new nuclear arms race. Ukraine, Poland, South Korea to name a few will all want nuclear arms and who could blame them.

Edit: not to mention whatever else the Trump regime get up to in the next four years.

China is an interesting one as there's no doubt they are building their military capabilities, but how many Chinese Military bases are surrounding the US and who many US military bases are surrounding China?

what came first?



You think China are only building their military power as a result of US military bases in Asia-Pacific? Who told you that? John Pilger?

Is there a  US plan to invade China now?

China wants to invade Taiwan because of US military bases in the region?

That's the US slant on it alright, but ask yourself why would the US military need so many bases in South Korea, Japan and various islands in the area?

Now ask yourself if China had the same proliferation of Military bases so close to the US Mainland what would the US's response be?

The US gets this mantra of "world peacekeepers" which I'd seriously question.

China wants to invade Taiwan, they may well do, but just how many countries has China actually invaded compared to the US in the last few decades?




All your points are completely irrelevant to the point I was making.

You said a bit of 'equilibrium' would be a good thing in the world.

All your co-called 'equilibrium' is bringing to the world is cesspit Russia invading and bullying it's neighbours and China threatening to invade Taiwan.

You're basically Skull-lite. Your world view cannot comprehend that there is more than one bad actor in the world. It's always the big bad old USA, everything everybody else does is twisted into being some kind of response to the USA. Ridiculous.


There are more than one bad actors in the world, the problem you are having is believing that the US is one of them, they are every bit as culpable as Russia or China.

Russia has invaded and annexed Crimea and now part of Ukraine, I do not support that.
China hasn't invaded anyone (yet)
The US has invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, Grenada, has military bases in Syria and all over the middle East, aided and abetted Zionist Israel in a genocide.

They are all bad actors, can you admit that the US is one of them?
 

Banks of the Bann

Quote from: johnnycool on March 12, 2025, 12:09:33 PM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on March 12, 2025, 11:23:25 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 11, 2025, 10:00:07 AM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on March 11, 2025, 09:14:04 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 11, 2025, 09:01:59 AM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on March 11, 2025, 08:37:23 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 11, 2025, 08:09:11 AM
Quote from: Look-Up! on March 11, 2025, 07:50:06 AMCertainly has exposed a huge flaw in the democracy model with media influence and misinformation used as tools of war in elections.

Harris was a bad candidate and the optics of denying there was any sort of decline in Biden's ability to function were a bad look. Americans voted for an "alternative", much like we did in Eurovision when we sent Dustin the Turkey to represent us. Although a bit of a cult here, our feathered hero went down like a lead balloon with our European friends.

We'll see if sanity prevails with current administration but so far it looks like this election will have serious geopolitical repercussions and cause a monumental shift in European policy and future transatlantic relations, long long after the current agitators are pushing up daisies.   

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

The US hasn't been a force for good in the world since WW2.

Unbridled capitalism, the wars, the coups, the support for dictators and despots throughout the world for "strategic" purposes have left too many dead and people left in poverty.

The Europeans also would like to forget their own colonial history when they set themselves up as the moral superiors of the natives throughout the world. And we know how that worked out and is still playing out in certain regions.

It's never a good thing having one "super power" who maintain that "power" with military might so a bit of equilibrium for a while might be a good thing.

 

The US committed many of the crimes you mention during the Cold War so 'equilibrium' didn't make a difference.

Things are going to get a lot, lot worse going forward with China wanting to exert their power and Russia looking to rebuild their former empire.

How you think that is a good thing is beyond me.

There will also be a new nuclear arms race. Ukraine, Poland, South Korea to name a few will all want nuclear arms and who could blame them.

Edit: not to mention whatever else the Trump regime get up to in the next four years.

China is an interesting one as there's no doubt they are building their military capabilities, but how many Chinese Military bases are surrounding the US and who many US military bases are surrounding China?

what came first?



You think China are only building their military power as a result of US military bases in Asia-Pacific? Who told you that? John Pilger?

Is there a  US plan to invade China now?

China wants to invade Taiwan because of US military bases in the region?

That's the US slant on it alright, but ask yourself why would the US military need so many bases in South Korea, Japan and various islands in the area?

Now ask yourself if China had the same proliferation of Military bases so close to the US Mainland what would the US's response be?

The US gets this mantra of "world peacekeepers" which I'd seriously question.

China wants to invade Taiwan, they may well do, but just how many countries has China actually invaded compared to the US in the last few decades?




All your points are completely irrelevant to the point I was making.

You said a bit of 'equilibrium' would be a good thing in the world.

All your co-called 'equilibrium' is bringing to the world is cesspit Russia invading and bullying it's neighbours and China threatening to invade Taiwan.

You're basically Skull-lite. Your world view cannot comprehend that there is more than one bad actor in the world. It's always the big bad old USA, everything everybody else does is twisted into being some kind of response to the USA. Ridiculous.


There are more than one bad actors in the world, the problem you are having is believing that the US is one of them, they are every bit as culpable as Russia or China.

Russia has invaded and annexed Crimea and now part of Ukraine, I do not support that.
China hasn't invaded anyone (yet)
The US has invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, Grenada, has military bases in Syria and all over the middle East, aided and abetted Zionist Israel in a genocide.

They are all bad actors, can you admit that the US is one of them?
 

Admit? I've never had any problem condemning the US for any of that.

I also won't try to excuse US crimes by by saying 'sure everybody's at it'. (Mearsheimer's theory).

As for China never invading anywhere....oh dear.

Rossfan

China invaded Tibet and incorporated it into their territory.

Big Empires/Major Powers are never nice guys.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Mourne Red

I don't know how it's happened with all this tariff bullshit of his but inflation lower than expected at US CPI today

Jell 0 Biafra

I wonder has that agency, like other government agencies, been staffed with MAGA loyalists?

Wildweasel74

#26995
Sure America was built on the stolen land of others.

seafoid

https://www.ft.com/content/40ab6b86-7c26-4579-bde3-ebed640fa04f
Trump and his team of economic advisers are racing ahead with an attempt to radically reshape the US economy from a consumption behemoth with a huge trade deficit to a manufacturing powerhouse.

johnnycool

Quote from: Mourne Red on March 12, 2025, 12:56:17 PMI don't know how it's happened with all this tariff bullshit of his but inflation lower than expected at US CPI today

That's like saying you were expecting a kick in the balls, but only got a punch in the face.


Eamonnca1

Is someone trying to argue that Trump cut taxes? What do these people think a tariff is?

J70

Quote from: seafoid on March 12, 2025, 02:19:58 PMhttps://www.ft.com/content/40ab6b86-7c26-4579-bde3-ebed640fa04f
Trump and his team of economic advisers are racing ahead with an attempt to radically reshape the US economy from a consumption behemoth with a huge trade deficit to a manufacturing powerhouse.

With the except of semiconductors, apparently.

Trump is big mad that Biden passed the bipartisan and very successful Chips Act, which subsidizes the building of microchips in the US in the aftermath of the pandemic shortages. He wants to get rid of the subsidies and replace them with tariffs on foreign-made chips, despite the fact that most chips entering the country have already been placed in phones or computers or other devices.