The Many Faces of US Politics...

[whitey]

Well I live in  the Usa, This day and age you do not have to live in a country to know what is going on there, Of late  I know everything going on back home , when I came here 30 years ago it was totally different. The internet changed every thing , I think a lot  who voted for Trump regret their Vote already, The ""Tariffs"" are a disaster , Elon is not helping either, And as For Ukraine 

So why do you think 77,000,000 people voted for Trump?

How did he win every single swing state?

How did his share of the vote improve among almost every single demographic in the country?

Why did 89% of counties shift towards the Republicans?

Why did Republicans capture the House and the Senate along with the White House?

If you live here and don't think there is a serious problem with the Democratic brand, then I don't know what to tell you.

Well ffs  75 million voted for Harris , it only takes a small swing to change the outcome, for starters  The dems had a poor candidate, ran a poor campaign , Joe Biden should have being challenged , should  have had a proper primary . The perception was of high Inflation which there was, but largely due to covid, Bidden did a poor job on the Border, Their messaging was poor and  Also  they became for use of a better better word "" Too Woke"",

And for your information there is no ""IF "" I have lived here in Texas since  1994, but everyone back home has the same access to information that you and I have via the internet so refrain from that argument

My "if you live here" wasn't a question

It was a variation of "seeing as you live here"

[SaffronSports]

You can bang on about the evil Dems all you want but there is no country on earth that a person like Donald Trump should be elected president.It always seems that you are always trying to justify your support for Trump so you are going the Fox News route by vilifying the Dems and portraying the Lying King as a man of strength.

For 77 Million people who live here who have had it with the Democrats Trump was a better option

Stephen A Smith (look him up if you don't know who he is) said that the Democrats outrageous behavior make Trump look normal

Here's a clip from him speaking just last week

https://youtu.be/zG3n2IeaTPA?si=GRjzgULwYXtZAqaT

https://youtu.be/5Pw65vbgguI?si=-nwakFiTT17mvKFd

Jesus Christ, when you're using Stephen A Smith as a reference for anything you've lost all credibility. The guy is an absolute numpty. Like a dafter version of Eamon Dunphy. 

Haha

Don't like to hear some home truths?

I dont care much either way but Stephen A Smith. Come on ffs.

[Milltown Row2]

Whitey I asked earlier but I'll ask again, what has Trump done in either term that will make American great again? And don't give me the Dem's were shite, I get that, I also get the 77 million dafties voted.

Stick to the question

I meant to respond but got sidetracked

He sealed the border

He cut taxes

He cut regulations that were onerous to business

He declared "war on woke"-you can't open your mouth over here without a mob attacking you

And that's just for a start

So when he's finished you'll be personally better off

For saying what you want? Good luck with that regardless of what Trump has said, you morally just can't go sounding off

Opening things up for bad practice with business by cutting regulations?

Sealing the border? f**k me, good luck with that, I suppose the Mexicans are still paying for and building the wall?

With the rise in inflation up to 3% since Jan will that continue to keep the tax cuts?   

[johnnycool]

People saw their standard of living going to shít. Harris was part of the government that made it so as far as they were concerned.

Media blamed it on the immigrants and the new guy offered these same people the sun and the stars, the second coming of Jesus, aided and abetted by the billionaire social media guys who were feeding this narrative knowing they'd have their snouts in the trough once their man got into power.

It's a story as old as time.

Were they dumb? Maybe, but the Democrats didn't do enough for these people to make them stick with them.

Ah...so they got hoodwinked

That's as good an explanation as I've heard

Now what are the Democrats going to do to unhudwink the voters?

Selective reading there Whitey.

I didn't absolve the Democrats at all if you read it correctly

[whitey]

Looks like Mehole might have some company in the Oval Office tomorrow



https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/members-of-the-burke-family-on-plane-to-washington-ahead-of-taoiseachs-white-house-visit-with-trump/a438244273.html

[Captain Obvious]

A yoke like Trump wouldn't be voted onto a Residents Association in Ireland or most of Europe (excl Hungary and possibly Slovakia).
Europeans are mainly grown-up adults with developed front lobes.

Yanks on the other hand..   

Lol- and you end up with a clown like Varadkar who got elected Taoiseach having received a grand total of 8000 FPV in 2020

Great system alright

While I didn't love Varadkar, I think your clutching at straws there trying to compare him to Trump. The voting system is the voting system. Trump is a scourge on this planet.

clutching at straws is putting it mildly. The American based Mayo chap if on purpose or not is a parody poster on this thread.

[Blowitupref]

The point I'm making (which most of you are missing) is that's it's nowhere near as crazy as you all think when the alternative is even worse

Stephen A Smith on Bill Maher said that the Democrats are so extreme they actually make Trump look normal

Same Bill Maher had his viewers convinced just before the election that Trump was Toast and had no chance of getting back in. Less said about Stephen A Smith the better.

No possible way the alternative is worse. Already in a matter of weeks of Trump 2nd term the damage is clearly visible and after four years America will be left in some sorry mess that will take many years to clean up long after Trump is dead.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Just for balance on the "he cut taxes" thing.  My taxes went up by 10K a year during the first administration, as mortgage interest could no longer be offset against your tax bill.

He's already cost me about another 10K since he took over with his stock market shenanigans (my retirement is tied to the stock market).

I mean, my financial woes are hardly the worst of it, but I'm so f**king tired of this bullshit that Republicans in general, and tr**p in particular, are somehow good for the economy. They're a f**king cancer, unless you're in the billionaire bracket.

[J70]

I think what you're missing whitey is that swing voters clearly include a lot of fairly non-political, uninformed people. Whether that's uninformed about what Trump was promising, or uninformed about the real world implications of what he was promising, I guess will vary from person to person.

If you want to make an argument on the merits that they were in fact correct and that Trump and the upheaval he is currently delivering on are an empirically better option than what Harris was promising and would have brought knock yourself out.

Ah......so the swing voters who voted for Trump were uninformed, unlike the well informed people who voted for Harris

And while the same swing voters were "well informed" when they voted for Joe in 2020, somehow became "uninformed" and then voted for Trump in 2024

Makes perfect sense

So nothing on the merits of the pro-Trump, anti-Harris argument.

Just a strawman jibe about some point I never made.

Just because the balance of swing voters went against Trump last time doesn't mean that they were all well informed, serious political thinkers.

The economy was the number one issue in the 2024 election. One would assume that many of the swing voters who opted for Trump this time did so because for some reason (presumably Biden getting inflation hung around his neck as though a significantly global and domestically fading problem was all his administration's fault) they assumed Trump would be better. Now how someone with a clue can look at Trump's promised program of, for example, trade wars and tariffs aimed, especially, at neighbours Canada and Mexico and figure he'd do a better job with what was already a seriously improved economy is beyond me. And that's before you get to all the other havoc he's wreaking in fulfillment of unhidden campaign promises (assuming one wasn't stupid enough to believe his lies about the Project 2025 program).

[whitey]

Trump is a fvckin clown and it's actually embarrassing he got within an asses roar of the White House but 77,000,000 felt he was a better option

What does that say about the Democrats-they actually make him look normal-that's saying something.

My wife was just yelling at me asking me what the hell was so important that I was on my phone so much.... I'm going to retire from the board. 

It's been fun and I wish all of you well.

[thewobbler]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

In this part of the world we have in recent years:

- continued to vote almost unanimously according to flag colour in the North, in every election, regardless of its scope.

- passed Brexit and elected Boris Johnson in the Uk.

- continued to vote for property developers masked as politicians in the Republic, even through a housing crisis.

Why anybody would describe Americans as stupid, when this is our form, is beyond me. Especially as Americans have a two party system and your only choice for a change of establishment is to vote against the incumbents.

[J70]

Just for balance on the "he cut taxes" thing.  My taxes went up by 10K a year during the first administration, as mortgage interest could no longer be offset against your tax bill.

He's already cost me about another 10K since he took over with his stock market shenanigans (my retirement is tied to the stock market).

I mean, my financial woes are hardly the worst of it, but I'm so f**king tired of this bullshit that Republicans in general, and tr**p in particular, are somehow good for the economy. They're a f**king cancer, unless you're in the billionaire bracket.

You'll probably not be buying a car or any other expensive purchase involving steel or aluminium raw materials in the near future.

50% tariff on them coming from Canada today. Along with his now customary insults about their "impending" US statehood.

Wonder what will happen when he hits 100%? Although I guess he can keep upping the ante to try to bully the Canadians into... something?

Has anyone told him yet that these tariffs will be paid by the US side on the transaction?

[Gabriel_Hurl]

I'll tell you one thing - he's united Canadians in a way I've not seen in 20-odd years of living here.

[Wildweasel74]

Retire, thank God, it's over!

[SaffronSports]

Trump is doing an awful lot for Liz Truss' legacy. Wonder if he can kill a monarch too along with tanking the economy?