The Many Faces of US Politics...

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seafoid

Quote from: whitey on February 22, 2020, 01:24:49 AM
http://apps.bostonglobe.com/nation/politics/2019/11/voters-2020-election/pennsylvania/erie/


A guy who gets up at 3:00 am to drive two hours to a roofing job, while his wife is working the overnight shift will never vote for a candidate who will provide healthcare to illegals and who's tax dollars will be used to abolish the student debts of people who've never grafted a day in their lives


His wife will. Especially in the swing states.
Why does he have to drive 2 hours?
How much does he earn compared to 1975? Adjusted for inflation.
Will he be amenable to culture wars indefinitely?
And would he support soaking the rich?
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

whitey

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2020, 04:53:50 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 22, 2020, 01:24:49 AM
http://apps.bostonglobe.com/nation/politics/2019/11/voters-2020-election/pennsylvania/erie/


A guy who gets up at 3:00 am to drive two hours to a roofing job, while his wife is working the overnight shift will never vote for a candidate who will provide healthcare to illegals and who's tax dollars will be used to abolish the student debts of people who've never grafted a day in their lives

Jesus wept. So your roofer will happily keep on paying extortionate health insurance premiums to the legalized extortion racket known as "private health insurance" as long as undocumented people get to die of cancer for lack of money?

And what's all this about graduates never having worked?

And your response is exactly why he'll be voting for Trump again this year

Thank you

whitey

Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2020, 05:51:55 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 22, 2020, 01:24:49 AM
http://apps.bostonglobe.com/nation/politics/2019/11/voters-2020-election/pennsylvania/erie/


A guy who gets up at 3:00 am to drive two hours to a roofing job, while his wife is working the overnight shift will never vote for a candidate who will provide healthcare to illegals and who's tax dollars will be used to abolish the student debts of people who've never grafted a day in their lives


His wife will. Especially in the swing states.
Why does he have to drive 2 hours?
How much does he earn compared to 1975? Adjusted for inflation.
Will he be amenable to culture wars indefinitely?
And would he support soaking the rich?


Great....you're all set then

J70

#15123
Quote from: whitey on February 22, 2020, 01:24:49 AM
http://apps.bostonglobe.com/nation/politics/2019/11/voters-2020-election/pennsylvania/erie/


A guy who gets up at 3:00 am to drive two hours to a roofing job, while his wife is working the overnight shift will never vote for a candidate who will provide healthcare to illegals and who's tax dollars will be used to abolish the student debts of people who've never grafted a day in their lives

So the average student who accumulates tuition debt doesn't work part time jobs to make ends meet?

This hypothetical roofing guy is definitely NOT going to have kids or grandkids who'll benefit from such a programme?

I'm well educated, and I worked fast food, I washed dishes, I sold xmas trees, I did menial clerical work, I baled hay, I landscaped, I did construction work to pay my way. Luckily, in Ireland, they didn't have those ridiculous, outlandish tuition fees, or I would have been right fucked.

J70

Quote from: whitey on February 22, 2020, 08:48:13 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2020, 04:53:50 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 22, 2020, 01:24:49 AM
http://apps.bostonglobe.com/nation/politics/2019/11/voters-2020-election/pennsylvania/erie/


A guy who gets up at 3:00 am to drive two hours to a roofing job, while his wife is working the overnight shift will never vote for a candidate who will provide healthcare to illegals and who's tax dollars will be used to abolish the student debts of people who've never grafted a day in their lives

Jesus wept. So your roofer will happily keep on paying extortionate health insurance premiums to the legalized extortion racket known as "private health insurance" as long as undocumented people get to die of cancer for lack of money?

And what's all this about graduates never having worked?

And your response is exactly why he'll be voting for Trump again this year

Thank you

Your response doesn't make any sense whitey.

J70

Quote from: Gmac on February 22, 2020, 05:49:37 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2020, 04:50:41 AM
Quote from: Gmac on February 22, 2020, 01:10:04 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2020, 12:43:17 AM
Quotewhy doesn't Bernie or any Democrat say we are going to give free health care to poor Amercian citizens and poor legal immigrants ?

That's precisely what Bernie has been saying all along.
yes but he also says free healthcare for people who are illegally living in country not the same , also just breaking Russians are trying to help Bernie win nomination  Vladimir must be laughing his bollox off the way he is f&cking with everyone.

So if a house is burning down and the occupants are undocumented, should the fire department not be obligated to put the fire out?

If a woman is being assaulted and she happens to be undocumented, should the police not intervene to protect her?

Where does this perverse idea come from that vital services should be withheld from people based on their immigration status?
stupid arguments , everybody gets vital services and hospital treatment if necessary the bottom line is politicians should not be promising healthcare to people who are here illegally and expect the American taxpayer to foot the bill for it.

The American taxpayer is already paying for the emergency room services, which generally far exceed any preventative or GP-level care which would prevent those ER visits.

whitey

Quote from: J70 on February 22, 2020, 11:30:45 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 22, 2020, 08:48:13 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2020, 04:53:50 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 22, 2020, 01:24:49 AM
http://apps.bostonglobe.com/nation/politics/2019/11/voters-2020-election/pennsylvania/erie/


A guy who gets up at 3:00 am to drive two hours to a roofing job, while his wife is working the overnight shift will never vote for a candidate who will provide healthcare to illegals and who's tax dollars will be used to abolish the student debts of people who've never grafted a day in their lives

Jesus wept. So your roofer will happily keep on paying extortionate health insurance premiums to the legalized extortion racket known as "private health insurance" as long as undocumented people get to die of cancer for lack of money?

And what's all this about graduates never having worked?

And your response is exactly why he'll be voting for Trump again this year

Thank you

Your response doesn't make any sense whitey.

You guys just don't seem to accept that the Democrats have lost their traditional white working class vote.. He essentially called the guy stupid

seafoid

Quote from: whitey on February 22, 2020, 08:51:37 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2020, 05:51:55 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 22, 2020, 01:24:49 AM
http://apps.bostonglobe.com/nation/politics/2019/11/voters-2020-election/pennsylvania/erie/


A guy who gets up at 3:00 am to drive two hours to a roofing job, while his wife is working the overnight shift will never vote for a candidate who will provide healthcare to illegals and who's tax dollars will be used to abolish the student debts of people who've never grafted a day in their lives


His wife will. Especially in the swing states.
Why does he have to drive 2 hours?
How much does he earn compared to 1975? Adjusted for inflation.
Will he be amenable to culture wars indefinitely?
And would he support soaking the rich?


Great....you're all set then
What did Trump do for blue collar voters since 2016, Whitey.?

"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

J70

Quote from: whitey on February 22, 2020, 12:38:46 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 22, 2020, 11:30:45 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 22, 2020, 08:48:13 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2020, 04:53:50 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 22, 2020, 01:24:49 AM
http://apps.bostonglobe.com/nation/politics/2019/11/voters-2020-election/pennsylvania/erie/


A guy who gets up at 3:00 am to drive two hours to a roofing job, while his wife is working the overnight shift will never vote for a candidate who will provide healthcare to illegals and who's tax dollars will be used to abolish the student debts of people who've never grafted a day in their lives

Jesus wept. So your roofer will happily keep on paying extortionate health insurance premiums to the legalized extortion racket known as "private health insurance" as long as undocumented people get to die of cancer for lack of money?

And what's all this about graduates never having worked?

And your response is exactly why he'll be voting for Trump again this year

Thank you

Your response doesn't make any sense whitey.

You guys just don't seem to accept that the Democrats have lost their traditional white working class vote.. He essentially called the guy stupid

So what?

People like him call people like me stupid.

Is voting completely about sticking it to the other guy?

Is voting for Trump all about "make liberals cry again!"?

Is that all that's in it for this guy?

whitey

Quote from: J70 on February 22, 2020, 03:08:50 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 22, 2020, 12:38:46 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 22, 2020, 11:30:45 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 22, 2020, 08:48:13 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2020, 04:53:50 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 22, 2020, 01:24:49 AM
http://apps.bostonglobe.com/nation/politics/2019/11/voters-2020-election/pennsylvania/erie/


A guy who gets up at 3:00 am to drive two hours to a roofing job, while his wife is working the overnight shift will never vote for a candidate who will provide healthcare to illegals and who's tax dollars will be used to abolish the student debts of people who've never grafted a day in their lives

Jesus wept. So your roofer will happily keep on paying extortionate health insurance premiums to the legalized extortion racket known as "private health insurance" as long as undocumented people get to die of cancer for lack of money?

And what's all this about graduates never having worked?

And your response is exactly why he'll be voting for Trump again this year

Thank you

Your response doesn't make any sense whitey.

You guys just don't seem to accept that the Democrats have lost their traditional white working class vote.. He essentially called the guy stupid

So what?

People like him call people like me stupid.

Is voting completely about sticking it to the other guy?

Is voting for Trump all about "make liberals cry again!"?

Is that all that's in it for this guy?

Did you read the article?

Do you understand why he voted for Trump in 2016 and why he will vote for him again in 2020? (Him being a lifelong Democrat who voted for both Clinton and Obama)

Do you understand why he probably wouldn't want his tax dollars to pay for the healthcare of illegals or to forgive the student debts of people who got useless majors and now can't get jobs..

If your answer is no to either of my questions I will feel very good about Trumps chances of re election

Eamonnca1

Quote from: Gmac on February 22, 2020, 05:49:37 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2020, 04:50:41 AM
Quote from: Gmac on February 22, 2020, 01:10:04 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2020, 12:43:17 AM
Quotewhy doesn't Bernie or any Democrat say we are going to give free health care to poor Amercian citizens and poor legal immigrants ?

That's precisely what Bernie has been saying all along.
yes but he also says free healthcare for people who are illegally living in country not the same , also just breaking Russians are trying to help Bernie win nomination  Vladimir must be laughing his bollox off the way he is f&cking with everyone.

So if a house is burning down and the occupants are undocumented, should the fire department not be obligated to put the fire out?

If a woman is being assaulted and she happens to be undocumented, should the police not intervene to protect her?

Where does this perverse idea come from that vital services should be withheld from people based on their immigration status?
stupid arguments , everybody gets vital services and hospital treatment if necessary the bottom line is politicians should not be promising healthcare to people who are here illegally and expect the American taxpayer to foot the bill for it.

Do you live on some planet where treatment for everything in the ER is cheaper? Or where you can get chemotherapy in the ER?

Eamonnca1

#15131
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 20, 2020, 10:40:56 PM
Delegate count:
Buttigieg 22
Sanders 21
Warren 8
Klobuchar 7
Biden 6
Bloomberg 0

Betting odds for 2020 winner:

Trump 8/13
Sanders 4/1
Bloomberg 9/1
Biden 20/1

Bloomberg took a hiding last night. He was like a duck out of water. Warren obliterated him. Will be interesting to see how that affects the polling numbers over the next few days, and if his high burn rate can take the bad look off it. I just wish he'd get out of the race and put his money into something useful like flipping the 4 senate seats we're going to need.
Odds update:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 7/2
Bloomberg: 8/1
Biden: 22/1

Bernie's odds moving in the right direction. Biden, not so much.

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:8/1
Biden: 9/1

seafoid

Quote from: whitey on February 22, 2020, 12:38:46 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 22, 2020, 11:30:45 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 22, 2020, 08:48:13 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2020, 04:53:50 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 22, 2020, 01:24:49 AM
http://apps.bostonglobe.com/nation/politics/2019/11/voters-2020-election/pennsylvania/erie/


A guy who gets up at 3:00 am to drive two hours to a roofing job, while his wife is working the overnight shift will never vote for a candidate who will provide healthcare to illegals and who's tax dollars will be used to abolish the student debts of people who've never grafted a day in their lives

Jesus wept. So your roofer will happily keep on paying extortionate health insurance premiums to the legalized extortion racket known as "private health insurance" as long as undocumented people get to die of cancer for lack of money?

And what's all this about graduates never having worked?

And your response is exactly why he'll be voting for Trump again this year

Thank you

Your response doesn't make any sense whitey.

You guys just don't seem to accept that the Democrats have lost their traditional white working class vote.. He essentially called the guy stupid
Identity politics split the working class vote post 1980 but it is not a law of nature. Far left LOLZ issues such as cheaper healthcare are attractive to law and order types.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Gmac

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2020, 05:03:55 PM
Quote from: Gmac on February 22, 2020, 05:49:37 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2020, 04:50:41 AM
Quote from: Gmac on February 22, 2020, 01:10:04 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2020, 12:43:17 AM
Quotewhy doesn't Bernie or any Democrat say we are going to give free health care to poor Amercian citizens and poor legal immigrants ?

That's precisely what Bernie has been saying all along.
yes but he also says free healthcare for people who are illegally living in country not the same , also just breaking Russians are trying to help Bernie win nomination  Vladimir must be laughing his bollox off the way he is f&cking with everyone.

So if a house is burning down and the occupants are undocumented, should the fire department not be obligated to put the fire out?

If a woman is being assaulted and she happens to be undocumented, should the police not intervene to protect her?

Where does this perverse idea come from that vital services should be withheld from people based on their immigration status?
stupid arguments , everybody gets vital services and hospital treatment if necessary the bottom line is politicians should not be promising healthcare to people who are here illegally and expect the American taxpayer to foot the bill for it.

Do you live on some planet where treatment for everything in the ER is cheaper? Or where you can get chemotherapy in the ER?
most county hospitals provide all types of care to anyone who can't afford it , it might take 3 months to get an appointment but that's government run healthcare in most countries , in Ireland I would imagine anyone who can afford to go private does if they can . Democrats talk about giving shite healthcare to people who can already get said shite healthcare it's disingenuous and is all about votes .

Eamonnca1

Quote from: Gmac on February 22, 2020, 05:59:06 PM


most county hospitals provide all types of care to anyone who can't afford it , it might take 3 months to get an appointment but that's government run healthcare in most countries , in Ireland I would imagine anyone who can afford to go private does if they can . Democrats talk about giving shite healthcare to people who can already get said shite healthcare it's disingenuous and is all about votes .

So healthcare in the USA is fine then? Why are so many people going bankrupt when they get sick when they could just walk into the ER and get all this free stuff?