Sigerson Cup 2018

[In hiding]

He has a point in fairness. Especially when you look at the wider societal view. And deciding on who gets a scholarship is very subjective.....what's the criteria? What's the cutoff?

How has he a point ?
If an individual or business wish to give something to somebody then who are we to say it is not right. Getting stuff because you are better at something than most others is the way of the world

Read and weep.

Is what I said incorrect

[Il Bomber Destro]

A Lot more time and effort, blood,sweat and tears put into hobbies nowadays it seems. 

There's plenty of amateur sportsmen who make as much sacrifice as intercounty with not half the return. There's plenty of guys who will spend 10-15 hours a week in a gym at their choice while maintaining full time jobs for personal reasons.

[Captain Obvious]

A Lot more time and effort, blood,sweat and tears put into hobbies nowadays it seems. 

There's plenty of amateur sportsmen who make as much sacrifice as intercounty with not half the return. There's plenty of guys who will spend 10-15 hours a week in a gym at their choice while maintaining full time jobs for personal reasons.

What like a lifestyle choice to make oneself fit and healthy? Maybe its just me but from what I recall "hobbies" in the past didn't take as much sacrifice either.

[lenny]

So is it just GAA scholarships you don't approve of or all amateur sports scholarships?

Sports scholarships in general but I would think GAA players would get the vast bulk of these in most Irish universities and they already get well looked after by the state as it is.

A quick google search reveals DCU as an example gives scholarships in Athletics, Basketball, Boxing, Camogie, Canoe, Gaelic Football, Golf, Handball, Hockey, Hurling, Rugby, Rowing, Sailing, Soccer and Tennis. GAA players should be treated as equals with these other sports. Have you evidence that they are being favoured or is it just your opinion?

I would suspect GAA players make up the vast bulk of sports scholarships? Have you evidence to suggest otherwise?

No evidence but my opinion is that your opinion is incorrect. I suspect all sports would have to be treated fairly if it's public money. The money is probably shared out based on participation levels so all sports get a fair amount but I'm only speculating.

On what basis?  There is no transparency in these scholarships at all and the Sigerson and Fitzgibbon are by far and away the most illustrious of university sports competitions with numerous universities known for throwing money to get the high profile players. So there is certainly a strong rationale to make educated assumptions.

Have you done any bit of research before you finalized on your opinion.

From a UUJ perspective, GAA was always the poor relation. The sports department would consider special provisions for elite athletes who had represented their country. So most sports qualified but the GAA didn't (unless you represented your country in int rules when 17.

Regarding sports that qualify for scholarships, the following qualify
Aikido    American Football    Angling  Archery    Athletics & Cross Country    Badminton  Basketball    Bowls - Lawn, Tenpin Boxing Camogie    Canoe    Clay Pigeon Shooting  Climbing    Cricket    Cycling  Diving    Equestrian    Fencing  Football  Futsal Gaelic Football  Golf    Gymnastics    Handball  Hockey    Hurling    Ju Jitsu  Judo    Karate    Karting  Life Saving Modern Pentathlon / Biathlon    Netball  Orienteering    Pool    Rifle Shooting  Rowing    Rugby    Sailing  Snooker    Snow Sports    Squash
Surfing    Swimming    Synchronised Swimming  Table Tennis    Taekwondo    Tennis  Triathlon    Trampolining    Volleyball
Wake Boarding    Water Polo    Water Skiing  Weightlifting    Wind Surfing    Wrestling

Quite a list, but you think the GAA would dominate the amount of scholarships??

In universities across the island, almost definitely.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/how-students-can-cash-in-by-playing-the-scholarship-game-1.2237659

This is a link to a very interesting article on sports scholarships and general scholarships in Irish universities. GAA doesn't seem to prioritised or given special treatment. These scholarships are available in lots of different areas and it's great to see GAA being treated equally and exceptional talents being given the opportunity to continue their chosen sport without having to work 20 hours a week like bomber. A lot of these players will be entertaining people in their thousands throughout their career and it's only right they get a bit of a leg up given how much they generate for the economy in subsequent years.

[Blowitupref]

Results today

Queens 0-11 IT Tralee 2-8
Garda College 2-7 UCC 1-12
UL 2-12 CIT 1-11

Fixtures tomorrow

St Mary's v Ulster University
DIT v IT Carlow
DkIT  v DCU

[MayoBuck]

Have DCU released their Sigerson panel for this year?

[Cunny Funt]

 Defending champions St Mary's knocked out. UUJ 0-17 St Mary's 1-9

[skeog]

No UUJ players allowed to do interviews what a load of nonsense.Is another example of people in charge of teams above their station.

[ck]

So Jordanstown have put a media ban on their players! Please!! Maybe they don't want to be asked what course they are doing in case they say BSc Sigerson Studies. Lol

[skeog]

I see its a new team every season Paul Rouse who is in charge.

[Itchy]

So Jordanstown have put a media ban on their players! Please!! Maybe they don't want to be asked what course they are doing in case they say BSc Sigerson Studies. Lol

Or in case they realise these students can't string a sentence together.

[playwiththewind1st]

So Jordanstown have put a media ban on their players! Please!! Maybe they don't want to be asked what course they are doing in case they say BSc Sigerson Studies. Lol

Or in case they realise these students can't string a sentence together.

Bloody Poly students.

[bloody mary]

See 5 minutes of the 2nd half from the game in Belfast today.. tinyurl.com/ybv6h4f3

[rosnarun]

 COuple of interesting tidbit from UCDs website to introduce a few facts to the conversation.
Looks like The GAA have to provide matching funds for the program . so if your sport is poorly organized or greedy you don't get a grant
but also all other sports have to fully  commit to UCD apart from GAA and Rugby .
reasons for scholarships
1. Encourages talented UCD students to join UCD clubs and compete for UCD.
2. Enhancement of the skills of other club members.
3. Encourages recreational participation, other students want to become involved.
4. All students have access to top class facilities and coaching.
5. Positive effects on health of participation in sport.
6. Role in character formation, team work and leadership skills.
7. Achievement and success of UCD students in competition.
8. Achievement and success of the respective UCD team or Club.

conditions


4. Where a sport wishes to be considered as a scholarship sport for the first time, due to financial constraints
UCD Sport seeks for matching funds from the respective club. These matching funds must be available for the
duration of the scholarship. For example where the scholarship student is entering first year, the club must
show evidence that they are capable of providing the matching funds for the duration of the recipient's
diploma/degree course.


5) The recipient must be prepared to represent UCD and only UCD in competition and will sign a contract to
that effect. Exceptions to this are made in Gaelic Games where due to the structure of the sport it is possible
for the recipient to compete for their home club and UCD simultaneously and also in Rugby where the
recipient can compete if selected for UCD and a provincial Irish side. Where a clash occurs in such
commitments the final decision will rest with the Director of Sport.

[Kickham csc]

I see its a new team every season Paul Rouse who is in charge.

No surprise there. 
The majority of the squad will come from undergraduates, so there would only be a few freshers on the squad, and the 3rd year is a placement year, the team will significantly change from one year to the next