Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

[general_lee]

Do all major infrastructure projects have to be immediate money-spinners or does the bigger picture not feature at all?

You also have to view the project through orange or green filtered glasses..

Orange filtered glasses would see a bridge to scotland as a pure necessity and stimulate growth, but see nothing of value in building a world class stadium in their capital city as it would belong to themmuns.

Green glasses would be the total opposites and hence why we can't have nice things.

Anyone for a bridge over Strangford Lough?

My preferred choice would have been a shared stadium for all 3 major sports. If not on Maze/Long Kesh then Titanic Quarter. It was DUP & NI fans that didn't want that.

[Rossfan]

Tánaiste priming the parish pump

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2024/0917/1470516-martin-cork-euros/

Be great craic if it was designated as the IFA's home stadium.
Would serve their bigoted followers right

[RadioGAAGAA]

So you run one large scale event to cover the running costs.

Not that difficult, the opportunity that it would bring to city and the region is massive and is now a massive loss.

What large event is this? (That is willing to pay the big hosting fee when there are alternatives like Falls Park, Ormeau Park or SSE available at a fraction of the price.)

You have to understand that its not as simple as "more capacity = more money".

Casement is at significant risk of falling into the awkward bucket of "too big for the demand, so you either go with sparse crowd or drop prices" and "too small for the A-listers who will head to Croke instead".

Exact same as PuC.

[JPGJOHNNYG]

Puc would need a hell of a lot of cash thrown at it to bring it up to UEFA standards. The knocking down the old terracing and replacing it with identical terracing at great expense was absolute lunacy

[JPGJOHNNYG]

The last 2 days has been interesting. The flegger/DUP element seemed to have agreed on targeting Nelson and the IFA as the fall guys and not themselves. They keep talking about IFA having no plans B. WTF? what plan B? Windsor can't be extended to 30000 so what the hell is the other plan another football stadium somewhere else? What happened to their concerns about diverting money away from the NHS the shower of bastards.

[JoG2]

So you run one large scale event to cover the running costs.

Not that difficult, the opportunity that it would bring to city and the region is massive and is now a massive loss.

What large event is this? (That is willing to pay the big hosting fee when there are alternatives like Falls Park, Ormeau Park or SSE available at a fraction of the price.)

You have to understand that its not as simple as "more capacity = more money".

Casement is at significant risk of falling into the awkward bucket of "too big for the demand, so you either go with sparse crowd or drop prices" and "too small for the A-listers who will head to Croke instead".

Exact same as PuC.

Why do event management companies use stadia the world over when there's much cheaper alternatives? And yes, more capacity equals more money.

[RadioGAAGAA]

Why do event management companies use stadia the world over when there's much cheaper alternatives? And yes, more capacity equals more money.

There is a careful balance of demand, opportunity, opportunity cost and venues within acceptable travel distance.

With Dublin just 2 hrs down the road, Casement will never attract the top level of event.

More capacity can equal more money. But in other cases it can equal less.
Lets say they decide to hold 2030 Belsonic at a hypothetical Casement with capacity 35,000.
But they only get a small uptick relative to the Ormeau Park. Say 18,000 people come along.
That'll almost certainly mean the organisers are out of pocket as they have to pay more to rent Casement than Ormeau.

All hypothetical, but just an example of how more capacity may not equal more money.

[bannside]

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/smaller-more-compact-casement-park-with-around-25000-capacity-a-better-fit-and-far-less-costly-event-expert-CEOPJEOU3VHK5EIAGBPNDT66S4/

There we go. Let's see if we can get the  £120m that's we assume is still available (and maybe get a bit more from UK Dublin or Stormont) and see what we can build for that.

Who needed the Euros in the first place, all it did was propel the estimated price X2.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

We can call it Casement for Slow Learners.

[twohands!!!]

Why do event management companies use stadia the world over when there's much cheaper alternatives? And yes, more capacity equals more money.

There is a careful balance of demand, opportunity, opportunity cost and venues within acceptable travel distance.

With Dublin just 2 hrs down the road, Casement will never attract the top level of event.

More capacity can equal more money. But in other cases it can equal less.
Lets say they decide to hold 2030 Belsonic at a hypothetical Casement with capacity 35,000.
But they only get a small uptick relative to the Ormeau Park. Say 18,000 people come along.
That'll almost certainly mean the organisers are out of pocket as they have to pay more to rent Casement than Ormeau.

All hypothetical, but just an example of how more capacity may not equal more money.

More capacity equals more money in stadiums where they are being filled or close to filled week in week out.

For GAA stadiums, that are filled so infrequently and where the usual crowd is nowhere close to capacity adding more capacity will not automatically equal more profit overall.

[NAG1]

Why do event management companies use stadia the world over when there's much cheaper alternatives? And yes, more capacity equals more money.

There is a careful balance of demand, opportunity, opportunity cost and venues within acceptable travel distance.

With Dublin just 2 hrs down the road, Casement will never attract the top level of event.

More capacity can equal more money. But in other cases it can equal less.
Lets say they decide to hold 2030 Belsonic at a hypothetical Casement with capacity 35,000.
But they only get a small uptick relative to the Ormeau Park. Say 18,000 people come along.
That'll almost certainly mean the organisers are out of pocket as they have to pay more to rent Casement than Ormeau.

All hypothetical, but just an example of how more capacity may not equal more money.

More capacity equals more money in stadiums where they are being filled or close to filled week in week out.

For GAA stadiums, that are filled so infrequently and where the usual crowd is nowhere close to capacity adding more capacity will not automatically equal more profit overall.

It always was a balancing act between the capacity size which was appropriate for the GAA games and that which could offer it up as a venue for revenue generation from concerts etc.

[lenny]

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/smaller-more-compact-casement-park-with-around-25000-capacity-a-better-fit-and-far-less-costly-event-expert-CEOPJEOU3VHK5EIAGBPNDT66S4/

There we go. Let's see if we can get the  £120m that's we assume is still available (and maybe get a bit more from UK Dublin or Stormont) and see what we can build for that.

Who needed the Euros in the first place, all it did was propel the estimated price X2.

As long as it's big enough for Ulster semifinals and finals and we don't have to sit in traffic for hours trying to get to clones.

[JoG2]

Why do event management companies use stadia the world over when there's much cheaper alternatives? And yes, more capacity equals more money.

There is a careful balance of demand, opportunity, opportunity cost and venues within acceptable travel distance.

With Dublin just 2 hrs down the road, Casement will never attract the top level of event.

More capacity can equal more money. But in other cases it can equal less.
Lets say they decide to hold 2030 Belsonic at a hypothetical Casement with capacity 35,000.
But they only get a small uptick relative to the Ormeau Park. Say 18,000 people come along.
That'll almost certainly mean the organisers are out of pocket as they have to pay more to rent Casement than Ormeau.

All hypothetical, but just an example of how more capacity may not equal more money.

But there is a reason stadiums are used all the time.
They have all the facilities needed under 1 roof and access to the staff, stewards. They don't need a perimeter fenced constructed, manned with much more security, the building to temp toilets, bars, food provision, ticket offices, admin office, medical tents etc
If I'm going to a big concert, I'd rather be in a stadium than a flat park.

[armaghniac]

Why do event management companies use stadia the world over when there's much cheaper alternatives? And yes, more capacity equals more money.

There is a careful balance of demand, opportunity, opportunity cost and venues within acceptable travel distance.

With Dublin just 2 hrs down the road, Casement will never attract the top level of event.

More capacity can equal more money. But in other cases it can equal less.
Lets say they decide to hold 2030 Belsonic at a hypothetical Casement with capacity 35,000.
But they only get a small uptick relative to the Ormeau Park. Say 18,000 people come along.
That'll almost certainly mean the organisers are out of pocket as they have to pay more to rent Casement than Ormeau.

All hypothetical, but just an example of how more capacity may not equal more money.

As stated, a stadium is better than a park for a concert, easier to organise. Springsteen played in Nowlan Park this year, which is not that far from Dublin.

In a GAA ground, the "good" capacity is fairly well used, and the big game capacity is terraces which are relatively inexpensive to build and maintain.

[Rossfan]

Euros by de banks....


https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41478304.html