The Official Tennis Thread

[Boycey]

Not sure why MR2 is getting the abuse? he's not the agressor who's failing to take on board anything other than his own opinion.

[Angelo]

Not sure why MR2 is getting the abuse? he's not the agressor who's failing to take on board anything other than his own opinion.

He's arguing against facts and logic.

There's no aggressor here, just facts and logic.

[Milltown Row2]

Not sure why MR2 is getting the abuse? he's not the agressor who's failing to take on board anything other than his own opinion.

He's arguing against facts and logic.

There's no aggressor here, just facts and logic.

Facts are simple... 20 for Fed 18 for Nadal

[Angelo]

Fed does not have a "noted problem" on clay. Nor does Djokovic for that matter. They're both French Open and multiple Masters Series winners in clay. It's simply that Nadal is the best player on it in history by a country mile.

Nadal has won 6 slams away from RG. Six slams is all time great, hall of fame territory ffs.

I'm not knocking him, I love his grit and determination and never give up attitude when he plays. All I'm saying is he's a clay court specialist. I don't think Federer or Novak are any less a tennis player cause of the majority of their slams have been on hard and grass courts, whereas Angelo believes RG is the be and end all of tennis!

His inability to win more on the other surfaces has nothing to do with people who are 6 foot 5! He's no midget himself, possibly the same size as Fed and Novak and they have no problems. As for beating supposed weaker players, that's just rubbish! You beat who's putt in front of you, none of them are easy.

While Fed has 20 he'll be recognised as being better all round. Having a favourite player is fine to, mine is Novak, I think he's better than the other two

Sampras was no giant either but he was a monster server, probably the best server the game has seen, Federer is also one of the greatest servers the game has seen. The giraffes who excel on grass are monster servers, a monster serve alone will bring you a long, long way on grass. You call Nadal a clay court specialist, is Djokovic a hard court specialist? Is Federer a grass court specialist? Both grass and hard courts play similar so the only thing relevant that you seem to be saying is that the tennis calendar discriminates against those who excel on clay court.

There are blinding contradictions in the points you make.

[Angelo]

Not sure why MR2 is getting the abuse? he's not the agressor who's failing to take on board anything other than his own opinion.

He's arguing against facts and logic.

There's no aggressor here, just facts and logic.

Facts are simple... 20 for Fed 18 for Nadal

12 of those in era of Hewitt, Roddick, Safin, past it Sampras and Agassi and teenage Nadal and Djokovic.

It's like saying Anthony Joshua was a better heavyweight than Ali.

[Boycey]

What facts and logic? No facts will ever define the greatest, that's subjective..

[Milltown Row2]

Fed does not have a "noted problem" on clay. Nor does Djokovic for that matter. They're both French Open and multiple Masters Series winners in clay. It's simply that Nadal is the best player on it in history by a country mile.

Nadal has won 6 slams away from RG. Six slams is all time great, hall of fame territory ffs.

I'm not knocking him, I love his grit and determination and never give up attitude when he plays. All I'm saying is he's a clay court specialist. I don't think Federer or Novak are any less a tennis player cause of the majority of their slams have been on hard and grass courts, whereas Angelo believes RG is the be and end all of tennis!

His inability to win more on the other surfaces has nothing to do with people who are 6 foot 5! He's no midget himself, possibly the same size as Fed and Novak and they have no problems. As for beating supposed weaker players, that's just rubbish! You beat who's putt in front of you, none of them are easy.

While Fed has 20 he'll be recognised as being better all round. Having a favourite player is fine to, mine is Novak, I think he's better than the other two

Sampras was no giant either but he was a monster server, probably the best server the game has seen, Federer is also one of the greatest servers the game has seen. The giraffes who excel on grass are monster servers, a monster serve alone will bring you a long, long way on grass. You call Nadal a clay court specialist, is Djokovic a hard court specialist? Is Federer a grass court specialist? Both grass and hard courts play similar so the only thing relevant that you seem to be saying is that the tennis calendar discriminates against those who excel on clay court.

There are blinding contradictions in the points you make.

Jeeze I'm bored ! Enjoy the biggest tournament in the tennis calendar tomorrow

[Angelo]

Fed does not have a "noted problem" on clay. Nor does Djokovic for that matter. They're both French Open and multiple Masters Series winners in clay. It's simply that Nadal is the best player on it in history by a country mile.

Nadal has won 6 slams away from RG. Six slams is all time great, hall of fame territory ffs.

I'm not knocking him, I love his grit and determination and never give up attitude when he plays. All I'm saying is he's a clay court specialist. I don't think Federer or Novak are any less a tennis player cause of the majority of their slams have been on hard and grass courts, whereas Angelo believes RG is the be and end all of tennis!

His inability to win more on the other surfaces has nothing to do with people who are 6 foot 5! He's no midget himself, possibly the same size as Fed and Novak and they have no problems. As for beating supposed weaker players, that's just rubbish! You beat who's putt in front of you, none of them are easy.

While Fed has 20 he'll be recognised as being better all round. Having a favourite player is fine to, mine is Novak, I think he's better than the other two

Sampras was no giant either but he was a monster server, probably the best server the game has seen, Federer is also one of the greatest servers the game has seen. The giraffes who excel on grass are monster servers, a monster serve alone will bring you a long, long way on grass. You call Nadal a clay court specialist, is Djokovic a hard court specialist? Is Federer a grass court specialist? Both grass and hard courts play similar so the only thing relevant that you seem to be saying is that the tennis calendar discriminates against those who excel on clay court.

There are blinding contradictions in the points you make.

Jeeze I'm bored ! Enjoy the biggest tournament in the tennis calendar tomorrow

The biggest tournament for anglocentrics maybe but not for me.

[Angelo]

What facts and logic? No facts will ever define the greatest, that's subjective..

Logic certainly defines the greatest, calling a guy who was 3rd best in his era the greatest defies logic and Federer has been a distant third since the emergence of Nadal and Djokovic.

[Boycey]

I'd say you will get it hard to find many polls of either fans, media, former players, current players or any other groupings that would rate Nadal as GOAT

But you are definitely entitled to think he is... As are others to disagree, fact!

Is Wimbledon really starting tomorrow? Can't raise any enthusiasm for tennis and I'll watch any sport. 

[Milltown Row2]

I'd say you will get it hard to find many polls of either fans, media, former players, current players or any other groupings that would rate Nadal as GOAT

But you are definitely entitled to think he is... As are others to disagree, fact!

Is Wimbledon really starting tomorrow? Can't raise any enthusiasm for tennis and I'll watch any sport.

It's like saying Batman would beat Superman 

[Angelo]

I'd say you will get it hard to find many polls of either fans, media, former players, current players or any other groupings that would rate Nadal as GOAT

But you are definitely entitled to think he is... As are others to disagree, fact!

Is Wimbledon really starting tomorrow? Can't raise any enthusiasm for tennis and I'll watch any sport.

It's like saying Batman would beat Superman 

Both Nadal and Djokovic have beaten Federer consistently.

[Milltown Row2]

But he's still won more

[Angelo]

But he's still won more

He's 5 years older that Nadal, 6 than Djokovic.

He won 12 of his slams when the competition was over the hill Sampras and Agassi, Hewitt, Roddick, Safin and teenage Nadal and teenage Djokovic. When Djokovic and Nadal entered their primes he was knocked back into a distant third.

It's like saying Larry Holmes was a better heavyweight than Ali.

[Milltown Row2]

But he's still won more

He's 5 years older that Nadal, 6 than Djokovic.

He won 12 of his slams when the competition was over the hill Sampras and Agassi, Hewitt, Roddick, Safin and teenage Nadal and teenage Djokovic. When Djokovic and Nadal entered their primes he was knocked back into a distant third.

It's like saying Larry Holmes was a better heavyweight than Ali.

He's won 20, that's a fact. The stats on that don't lie.

To still be competitive against lads 6 years younger than you, is some going. Naturally a player will fade as they get older. It's not his fault who he beat in all those 20 finals.

Hopefully the records shows that his were clean wins