Crossmaglen Rangers have consented to be part of this BBC NI series. True North? Not North against our will,or until our day comes?
Quote from: T Fearon on March 14, 2016, 07:28:39 PM
Crossmaglen Rangers have consented to be part of this BBC NI series. True North? Not North against our will,or until our day comes?
I thought cross was in the deep south where they eat ulster gumbo
Quote from: seafoid on March 14, 2016, 07:41:15 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on March 14, 2016, 07:28:39 PM
Crossmaglen Rangers have consented to be part of this BBC NI series. True North? Not North against our will,or until our day comes?
I thought cross was in the deep south where they eat ulster gumbo
What do u think now?
Good show tonight. Didn't think they would agree to show some of the behind the scenes chats with players. A familiar looking lad appeared in the stands at one stage.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 21, 2016, 11:38:16 PM
Good show tonight. Didn't think they would agree to show some of the behind the scenes chats with players. A familiar looking lad appeared in the stands at one stage.
I saw a brave few familiar looking lads in the stand.
Repeated on BBC2 on Wed night.
An enjoyable programme. Not much sign of the Kernan brothers in it - I thought they would have got more focus.
Did it capture the essence of parish football? Yes
Is it the same as pretty much any other club in Ireland? Yes
Has it raised the interest in XMG's next championship match? Yes
Will Nelson McCausland have taken offence? Yes
Cross players dont really do hobbies do they? No mention of fly fishing or book reading here. The show gave a small glimpse into why they never lose the hunger for more success.
Quote from: illdecide on March 16, 2016, 08:50:31 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 14, 2016, 07:41:15 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on March 14, 2016, 07:28:39 PM
Crossmaglen Rangers have consented to be part of this BBC NI series. True North? Not North against our will,or until our day comes?
I thought cross was in the deep south where they eat ulster gumbo
What do u think now?
I liked the bit where mcconville said they can take over the site they can piss us off but we are going to win the all ireland
Really well made and enjoyable show. Had a chuckle at the Dromintee bit ;D
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-crossmaglen-rangers-a-gaa-community-that-stood-up-to-the-british-34555608.html
Oisín: Wasn't it great to stick the two fingers up to them and say regardless what you do, you can land your helicopters on our pitch, you can build your barracks on top of us, you can throw our clothes and our bags out on the street when you search our cars on the way to training. . . Wasn't it great to say to them, 'But f**k youse, we're gonna win an All-Ireland anyway.'
What did we think of that show last night on BBC 1? Does Johnny Murtagh need to choose his drinking buddies more carefully? ???
Quote from: longballin on March 22, 2016, 09:56:45 AM
What did we think of that show last night on BBC 1? Does Johnny Murtagh need to choose his drinking buddies more carefully? ???
He was badly sunk alright
Quote from: Armamike on March 22, 2016, 01:20:44 AM
Cross players dont really do hobbies do they? No mention of fly fishing or book reading here. The show gave a small glimpse into why they never lose the hunger for more success.
To be as successful as Cross (or to play county football), you really do need to be obsessed with it. Totally obsessed with training, playing and winning. While Jamie Clarke is a great footballing talent, it was actually refreshing to hear him say what he did. While people criticise him for buggering off when Armagh needs him, I think it's actually a very healthy attitude he has towards his football.
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Quote from: Armamike on March 22, 2016, 01:20:44 AM
Cross players dont really do hobbies do they? No mention of fly fishing or book reading here. The show gave a small glimpse into why they never lose the hunger for more success.
To be as successful as Cross (or to play county football), you really do need to be obsessed with it. Totally obsessed with training, playing and winning. While Jamie Clarke is a great footballing talent, it was actually refreshing to hear him say what he did. While people criticise him for buggering off when Armagh needs him, I think it's actually a very healthy attitude he has towards his football.
Agree re the Jame Clarke part. He actually looked healthier when he came back too.
Yeah the Clarke bit was the most interesting bit. It was interesting to hear him say he was sort of sick of the whole we have to win all the time so no one else can win attitude.
Also great editing to make it look like he run the whole pitch for the goal against Kilcoo! :D
PS I was also surprised at the fact the Kernans weren't involved at all as they always struck me as a family that liked to get involved in media. Has it anything to do with political views?
The scene with the x british army lad was great viewing. You could see Oisin was doing that interview against his will a little bit. The fact that the army lad came across as a bit of a naive twit made it uncomfortable viewing. I'd say he fully believes he is in the UK when he is in Crossmaglen.
I presume Crossmaglen GAA got a bit of a wedge of cash for that?
Quote from: highorlow on March 22, 2016, 10:30:14 AM
The fact that the army lad came across as a bit of a naive twit made it uncomfortable viewing. I'd say he fully believes he is in the UK when he is in Crossmaglen.
You'd wanna be a twit to believe that
Any chance of seeing it anywhere other than iplayer?
Quote from: highorlow on March 22, 2016, 10:30:14 AM
The scene with the x british army lad was great viewing. You could see Oisin was doing that interview against his will a little bit. The fact that the army lad came across as a bit of a naive twit made it uncomfortable viewing. I'd say he fully believes he is in the UK when he is in Crossmaglen.
yer man didn't seem to have reflected much on things. Oisin was quite perceptive when he pointed out that yer man had been cannon fodder, I subsequently watched Michael Portillo on RTE+1 and then Insurrection (a good night's TV including the Michael Cusack programme on RTE) where you had a similar thing going on 100 years ago.
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The scene with the x british army lad was great viewing. You could see Oisin was doing that interview against his will a little bit. The fact that the army lad came across as a bit of a naive twit made it uncomfortable viewing. I'd say he fully believes he is in the UK when he is in Crossmaglen.
yer man didn't seem to have reflected much on things. Oisin was quite perceptive when he pointed out that yer man had been cannon fodder, I subsequently watched Michael Portillo on RTE+1 and then Insurrection (a good night's TV including the Michael Cusack programme on RTE) where you had a similar thing going on 100 years ago.
I thought it was the soldier who highlighted that him and the other soldiers were simply objects that those in charge had no sentiment for.
Quote from: ThroughTheLaces on March 22, 2016, 10:57:39 AM
Any chance of seeing it anywhere other than iplayer?
It's on BBC2 tomorrow night around 11:30
I thought Jamie Clarke gave as succinct an answer to the carping of Tony and like minded Armagh fans as is possible. The bottom line is in all clubs and counties you will have the obsessive (and Cross have more than a few), but ultimately to many football or hurling is about fun, enjoyment and community and Clarke seems to be one of these. Sadly many clubs have lost sight of this, you need to cater for all from the obsessives to those playing for the fun of it. I actually admire the obsessives, having been one myself and can understand the frustrations that Clarke's approach can cause but at the end of the day it is only sport it doesn't save lives or put bread on the table (for most). This programme was great viewing but left me wanting more.
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Any chance of seeing it anywhere other than iplayer?
It's on BBC2 tomorrow night around 11:30
Sorry should have said...in Oz :-\
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 22, 2016, 11:42:32 AM
I thought Jamie Clarke gave as succinct an answer to the carping of Tony and like minded Armagh fans as is possible. The bottom line is in all clubs and counties you will have the obsessive (and Cross have more than a few), but ultimately to many football or hurling is about fun, enjoyment and community and Clarke seems to be one of these. Sadly many clubs have lost sight of this, you need to cater for all from the obsessives to those playing for the fun of it. I actually admire the obsessives, having been one myself and can understand the frustrations that Clarke's approach can cause but at the end of the day it is only sport it doesn't save lives or put bread on the table (for most). This programme was great viewing but left me wanting more.
I agree with you, but how does clubs cater for all types? You either train a few times a week and get a game, or you don't. Gone are the days when you just turn up with your boots slung over your shoulder. You couldn't even do that with a reserve team these days.
The GAA constantly talk about those between 18-21 lost to the game, and while that's true, so many others up to mid 30s are lost too. The types that are working long hours, commuting, have families etc and can't commit to 2/3 nights a week. Who's catering for these fellas, the fellas that just want to turn up on a Sunday morning and play a game with their mates and enjoy the craic?
Thats the conundrum, a start is realising that not all club players will be obsessive, I'd say Jamie training 3 nights a week would be better than many training 6. I'm not suggesting lads just turn up, that would be asking for injuries, they do need to train, but lets try and get the enjoyment back.
Clubs up and down the country have players like Jamie. Ok he's exceptionally talented - but I mean fellas who would walk onto the team, be a key player but for one reason or another move on be it uni, work, travel etc. They might not share the same die hard commitment that the "obsessives" do and therefore might not mind as much if football isn't the centre of their lives. If your average division 1 club player took JC's approach he'd at best not get his place back or at worst be told to sod off
Either that or there were 'eyes' in the pub and the 2 boyos were using the mates as a bluff.
Fly boys up round cross.
The cute hoors of the North
Kernans kept low profile in that programme. Was like a curate's egg, good in parts.
Quote from: general_lee on March 22, 2016, 01:07:46 PM
Clubs up and down the country have players like Jamie. Ok he's exceptionally talented - but I mean fellas who would walk onto the team, be a key player but for one reason or another move on be it uni, work, travel etc. They might not share the same die hard commitment that the "obsessives" do and therefore might not mind as much if football isn't the centre of their lives. If your average division 1 club player took JC's approach he'd at best not get his place back or at worst be told to sod off
Would most clubs not have a junior or B team where the less likely to train can show their wares and still enjoy the game for what it is, a bit of craic and leave the serious stuff up to the seniors?
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Quote from: general_lee on March 22, 2016, 01:07:46 PM
Clubs up and down the country have players like Jamie. Ok he's exceptionally talented - but I mean fellas who would walk onto the team, be a key player but for one reason or another move on be it uni, work, travel etc. They might not share the same die hard commitment that the "obsessives" do and therefore might not mind as much if football isn't the centre of their lives. If your average division 1 club player took JC's approach he'd at best not get his place back or at worst be told to sod off
Would most clubs not have a junior or B team where the less likely to train can show their wares and still enjoy the game for what it is, a bit of craic and leave the serious stuff up to the seniors?
I'm talking about the senior standard players with a not so Senior standard attitude
Good programme, not often we get to see behind the scenes footage of GAA sides as the dressingroom is often considered a no go area so it was a brave move by Cross to allow the cameras in. Like others I thought it peculiar that no Kernans were involved considering that they would be seen as being media savvy. It's easy to see how a siege mentality built up from the occupancy of their grounds by the British but yet this is no longer the case yet the success has continued. I don't think Cross have any more talented players than most other clubs, its the attitude their players have towards the GAA club that sets them apart and which other clubs struggle to replicate. For most of them its the absolute be all and end all, Jamie Clarke is an exception to this rule in Cross.
Good show alright. Poor Johnny Murtagh though. Sold out by a crossmaglen tout... never thought i'd see the day ;)
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 22, 2016, 11:42:32 AM
I thought Jamie Clarke gave as succinct an answer to the carping of Tony and like minded Armagh fans as is possible. The bottom line is in all clubs and counties you will have the obsessive (and Cross have more than a few), but ultimately to many football or hurling is about fun, enjoyment and community and Clarke seems to be one of these. Sadly many clubs have lost sight of this, you need to cater for all from the obsessives to those playing for the fun of it. I actually admire the obsessives, having been one myself and can understand the frustrations that Clarke's approach can cause but at the end of the day it is only sport it doesn't save lives or put bread on the table (for most). This programme was great viewing but left me wanting more.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/14/dani-alves-barcelona-happier-before-fame (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/14/dani-alves-barcelona-happier-before-fame)
"People think the life I lead, being well paid, is the reason I'm like this. No. I was happier when I lived in the countryside with my dad than I often am now. Why? Because I didn't know how prostituted the world is."
Alves says he takes mental refuge in Juazeiro, the small town where he grew up, and in his father's attitude – even if it was one he didn't entirely share. "I imagine myself there," he says. "Now, everyone's on their phone, no one talks to anyone, they're all looking down [at social media], seeing what others are saying about them. [But] the more you know the world today, the more it disappoints. I don't understand why everyone fights for power, money, fame. Has no one stopped to think that fame is shit? That the more money you have, the more problems?
"Everyone wants, wants, wants ... and when they have, they feel desperate. Money's a necessary evil, there to give you moments. It gives me things I couldn't have, nice things, but happiness? That's a not a question of money and fame. Quite the opposite. If you're famous, people are there: 'Look, look, the famous guy.'"
Alves is flying now. "People talk about famous people and normal people. 'Normal'? Can't we all be normal?" he says. "I play football, you're a journalist, you're a photographer, but we're all people. Yet there are labels: famous, normal, rich, poor ... for me 'rich' isn't having lots of money; rich is having loads of things in your head."
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http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-crossmaglen-rangers-a-gaa-community-that-stood-up-to-the-british-34555608.html
Oisín: Wasn't it great to stick the two fingers up to them and say regardless what you do, you can land your helicopters on our pitch, you can build your barracks on top of us, you can throw our clothes and our bags out on the street when you search our cars on the way to training. . . Wasn't it great to say to them, 'But f**k youse, we're gonna win an All-Ireland anyway.'
Oisin swiped that from Braveheart.
It was very watchable, I suppose one test of it's merit would be to get the reaction of a complete stranger to the sport and the politics, after they view the documentary.
It was one of the more weird experiences in the north, to witness an army patrol move through a nationalist area, throwing their shapes and nobody sees them, a peculiar way of not seeing that was just eerie.
Saw nothing special about this. Could have been any GAA club anywhere.If the BBC wants to make a doc about an Armagh club being successful against all odds they should feature the Lurgan Clan na Gael club who in the mid 70s got to the AI Club Final with players all born in and around Lurgan's Francis Street,and were situated within N Armagh's notorious sectarian murder triangle in the darkest days of the troubles.
Saw nothing special about this. Could have been any GAA club anywhere.If the BBC wants to make a doc about an Armagh club being successful against all odds they should feature the Lurgan Clan na Gael club who in the mid 70s got to the AI Club Final with players all born in and around Lurgan's Francis Street,and were situated within N Armagh's notorious sectarian murder triangle in the darkest days of the troubles.
And is there a like of Dairy farmers and creameries in the Dublin area to the extent that "Ernie" Hearty has to load up his van full of milk for Dublin everyday?
It is a great sign how things are changing that the BBC can make such a documentary and put it on their main channel. Probably would not have been done 5 years ago never mind 20.
Er there was a major documentary on the Armagh team,shown on BBC2 a few days after they won th AI in 2002.
I have never heard of the Lurgan gaels,
Who would want to watch a documentary about the Lurgan Unknowns, compared to one about the world famous Crossmaglen?
Quote from: T Fearon on March 22, 2016, 06:30:57 PM
Saw nothing special about this. Could have been any GAA club anywhere.If the BBC wants to make a doc about an Armagh club being successful against all odds they should feature the Lurgan Clan na Gael club who in the mid 70s got to the AI Club Final with players all born in and around Lurgan's Francis Street,and were situated within N Armagh's notorious sectarian murder triangle in the darkest days of the troubles.
Are you Statler or Waldorf?
Waldorf! I'm a Sa-lad!😂
That's the problem.The Lurgan Clan Na Gael team in the mid 70s powered on by Jimmy Smyth,Colm Mc Kinstry,Jim Mc Kerr,the O'Hagans etc were the best Armagh club side I ever saw and reached an All Ireland Final over twenty years before Crossmaglen
Quote from: T Fearon on March 22, 2016, 06:43:26 PM
Er there was a major documentary on the Armagh team,shown on BBC2 a few days after they won th AI in 2002.
There is quite a difference between a documentary on a team playing football and one on a community like Crossmaglen overcoming adversity to become the most famous club team in the country. Especially when that documentary is made by the 'state' broadcaster of the forces seen to be creating that adversity.
For anybody else abroad:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=w2aCVpOCGFI
The documentary was on Joe Kernan and his impact.I couldn't see anything special about that programme last night.A bunch of lads committed to the GAA cause and followed by their parish is hardly unique.
Did any of us remotely familiar with the Crossmaglen story learn anything that we didn't know already?
Far more interesting was the programme about David Bentley spending team at Crossmaglen and mastering the basics of Gaelic football, on TV3 a few years ago.
Only reached one AI final and that was just after WW2?
And nowadays a good year for the club is if Crossmaglen use them as a doormat on their way to another Armagh championship,
School report A. Fearon, aged 12 5/8 'Must try harder' ;D
Just watched it. Very enjoyable.
Quote from: T Fearon on March 22, 2016, 07:03:50 PM
That's the problem.The Lurgan Clan Na Gael team in the mid 70s powered on by Jimmy Smyth,Colm Mc Kinstry,Jim Mc Kerr,the O'Hagans etc were the best Armagh club side I ever saw and reached an All Ireland Final over twenty years before Crossmaglen
Interesting... How in Gods name could a team that lost an All Ireland Final be better than a team that has won 6 All Irelands 11 Ulsters and God knows how many Armagh titles in the last 20 years!!
Set it in context.Armagh football was ranked alongside Kilkenny in the early 70s,couldn't even field a team in an NFL game in Leitrim.Then along came Clanns,all from a tiny warren of streets around Davitt Park,and within three or four years Clan na Gael had reached an All Ireland Club Final and the County a Senior All Ireland Final.That is a real fairy story of Armagh club football.
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That's the problem.The Lurgan Clan Na Gael team in the mid 70s powered on by Jimmy Smyth,Colm Mc Kinstry,Jim Mc Kerr,the O'Hagans etc were the best Armagh club side I ever saw and reached an All Ireland Final over twenty years before Crossmaglen
Interesting... How in Gods name could a team that lost an All Ireland Final be better than a team that has won 6 All Irelands 11 Ulsters and God knows how many Armagh titles in the last 20 years!!
The point is that Clan Na Gael had their own challenges in the 1970s, and which were arguably more difficult than that experienced in XMG.
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That's the problem.The Lurgan Clan Na Gael team in the mid 70s powered on by Jimmy Smyth,Colm Mc Kinstry,Jim Mc Kerr,the O'Hagans etc were the best Armagh club side I ever saw and reached an All Ireland Final over twenty years before Crossmaglen
Interesting... How in Gods name could a team that lost an All Ireland Final be better than a team that has won 6 All Irelands 11 Ulsters and God knows how many Armagh titles in the last 20 years!!
The point is that Clan Na Gael had their own challenges in the 1970s, and which were arguably more difficult than that experienced in XMG.
Please stop using this term. The only people I have heard calling Crossmaglen this were the British Army (as per the sign inside the barracks shown on the programme last night).
Clan na Gael played at a time when the club finals were an after thought and I know for instance in Cross when we won any county championships that was as much as we wanted, didn't even train for Ulsters. Clans were an exceptional team but it is absolutely impossible to compare teams in terms of ability from different eras.
Quote from: T Fearon on March 22, 2016, 07:36:08 PM
Did any of us remotely familiar with the Crossmaglen story learn anything that we didn't know already?
I didn't know the McConville's lost a brother.
I didn't know Hearty was a milkman.
Don't believe what Johnny Murtagh tells you.
I didn't know that cross eat cream buns
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I didn't know that cross eat cream buns
Any team that gets cream buns from McNamee's bakery can win the All Ireland.
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There's better documentaries about Dublin clubs.
Better documentaries, but not real clubs.
That show was munya!
What sort of numbers would cross have to pick from? It seems a big enough area for a rural club. Kilcoo, Ballinderry etc aren't very big places.
I thought it was a good documentary, everyone on here are hard to please as usual. Hard to fit everything in to an hour long show, you would need a series to get a proper insight into a club. I see lots of similarities to other clubs but the big difference is the quality of players they have sitting in the changing room. All the volunteers, team talks, players breaking drink bans etc will be found in every club.
Quote from: JimStynes on March 22, 2016, 11:03:12 PM
What sort of numbers would cross have to pick from? It seems a big enough area for a rural club. Kilcoo, Ballinderry etc aren't very big places.
They might have the benefit of the population of a small town/ large village, but their catchment area would actually be on the small side. A mile or two outside the town in any direction and you'll be into another club's area. They maximise their resources better than probably any other club in the country.
It is very difficult to see how Crossmaglen's catchment area could be considered to be on the small side. Cross is a town with a decent population, and, uniquely in the north, is entirely nationalist but has no hurling or soccer presence. It is an outstanding club, with a fantastic record not only of playing success but maintaining proper standards, and it has made the most of its natural advantages along the way.
Quote from: JimStynes on March 22, 2016, 11:03:12 PM
What sort of numbers would cross have to pick from? It seems a big enough area for a rural club. Kilcoo, Ballinderry etc aren't very big places.
The Crossmaglen conurbation had 1600 in the last census and add 500-600 more in and around. Not a huge area as there a 3 other clubs in the parish. Probably more to pick from than Kilcoo or Slaughtneil, but about average in the bigger picture.
There is soccer, pubs etc like everywhere else.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 22, 2016, 11:42:21 PM
It is very difficult to see how Crossmaglen's catchment area could be considered to be on the small side. Cross is a town with a decent population, and, uniquely in the north, is entirely nationalist but has no hurling or soccer presence. It is an outstanding club, with a fantastic record not only of playing success but maintaining proper standards, and it has made the most of its natural advantages along the way.
I take it Joe Pilkington and Cartwheel are gone then. I mind trying to chase Jim McConville when he played outside left for them in the late 80s.
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That's the problem.The Lurgan Clan Na Gael team in the mid 70s powered on by Jimmy Smyth,Colm Mc Kinstry,Jim Mc Kerr,the O'Hagans etc were the best Armagh club side I ever saw and reached an All Ireland Final over twenty years before Crossmaglen
Interesting... How in Gods name could a team that lost an All Ireland Final be better than a team that has won 6 All Irelands 11 Ulsters and God knows how many Armagh titles in the last 20 years!!
The point is that Clan Na Gael had their own challenges in the 1970s, and which were arguably more difficult than that experienced in XMG.
Please stop using this term. The only people I have heard calling Crossmaglen this were the British Army (as per the sign inside the barracks shown on the programme last night).
Fair enough. But if I recall correctly, the term was first seen on graffiti on a wall politely inviting the occupying force to go back home. That was before the brits scribbled it on a wall inside their barracks.
Did anyone see a young gangly brokencrossbar in the progamme?
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That's the problem.The Lurgan Clan Na Gael team in the mid 70s powered on by Jimmy Smyth,Colm Mc Kinstry,Jim Mc Kerr,the O'Hagans etc were the best Armagh club side I ever saw and reached an All Ireland Final over twenty years before Crossmaglen
Interesting... How in Gods name could a team that lost an All Ireland Final be better than a team that has won 6 All Irelands 11 Ulsters and God knows how many Armagh titles in the last 20 years!!
The point is that Clan Na Gael had their own challenges in the 1970s, and which were arguably more difficult than that experienced in XMG.
Please stop using this term. The only people I have heard calling Crossmaglen this were the British Army (as per the sign inside the barracks shown on the programme last night).
Fair enough. But if I recall correctly, the term was first seen on graffiti on a wall politely inviting the occupying force to go back home. That was before the brits scribbled it on a wall inside their barracks.
Nothing to stop a determined admirer with video skills from making a documentary about the exploits of Lurgan gaa in the dark '70´s.
Why whine in vain like Tony does, about some some Brit BBC not coming and doing it all for you,as you bask in some historical nostalgia about the hard old times.
Or what is the point about this "I have suffered more than you" all about?
Do lurganites just react without an actual thought process intervening first, some kind of instinctive monty pythonesque yorkshire hardship sketch, get together.
This has to be one of the most stupid interventions ever in a thread.
It's just Tony snipping because Crossmaglen put their club before his beloved county team and Jamie Clarke dare dreams of a life outside of football.
Was not the main theme of the documentary about Crossmaglen the historic hardship they faced and overcome?
No but I frequently bump into the old gangly brokencrossbar nowadays
Let's also not forget Clan Na Gael (three times in a row from 72-74) and Mullaghbawn,both from Armagh,won Ulster club titles before Crossmaglen did.
What is your problem with crossmaglen?
Not sure how you can say another team is comparable when they don't even have one ai.
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That's the problem.The Lurgan Clan Na Gael team in the mid 70s powered on by Jimmy Smyth,Colm Mc Kinstry,Jim Mc Kerr,the O'Hagans etc were the best Armagh club side I ever saw and reached an All Ireland Final over twenty years before Crossmaglen
Interesting... How in Gods name could a team that lost an All Ireland Final be better than a team that has won 6 All Irelands 11 Ulsters and God knows how many Armagh titles in the last 20 years!!
The point is that Clan Na Gael had their own challenges in the 1970s, and which were arguably more difficult than that experienced in XMG.
Please stop using this term. The only people I have heard calling Crossmaglen this were the British Army (as per the sign inside the barracks shown on the programme last night).
Fair enough. But if I recall correctly, the term was first seen on graffiti on a wall politely inviting the occupying force to go back home. That was before the brits scribbled it on a wall inside their barracks.
Nothing to stop a determined admirer with video skills from making a documentary about the exploits of Lurgan gaa in the dark '70´s.
Why whine in vain like Tony does, about some some Brit BBC not coming and doing it all for you,as you bask in some historical nostalgia about the hard old times.
Or what is the point about this "I have suffered more than you" all about?
Do lurganites just react without an actual thought process intervening first, some kind of instinctive monty pythonesque yorkshire hardship sketch, get together.
This has to be one of the most stupid interventions ever in a thread.
No we don't. I thought it was a great show to be honest and really enjoyed it. As for how good Clan Na Gael were in the 70s, Im not that bothered as Clann Eireann were my club before I moved to England
Quote from: hardstation on March 22, 2016, 10:40:54 PM
There's better documentaries about Dublin clubs.
They don't knw how to make documentares in Armagh. I played in 15 documentaries. I know stuff you wil never know about arrogance and hubris.
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http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-crossmaglen-rangers-a-gaa-community-that-stood-up-to-the-british-34555608.html
Oisín: Wasn't it great to stick the two fingers up to them and say regardless what you do, you can land your helicopters on our pitch, you can build your barracks on top of us, you can throw our clothes and our bags out on the street when you search our cars on the way to training. . . Wasn't it great to say to them, 'But f**k youse, we're gonna win an All-Ireland anyway.'
Oisin swiped that from Braveheart.
Thought that bit was a bit cringey, its not a world title or nothing therefore to the Brits I'm sure they weren't overly impressed with Crossmaglen winning some cup in a sport they probably saw as no more than a local pastime.
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Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 08:07:14 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-crossmaglen-rangers-a-gaa-community-that-stood-up-to-the-british-34555608.html
Oisín: Wasn't it great to stick the two fingers up to them and say regardless what you do, you can land your helicopters on our pitch, you can build your barracks on top of us, you can throw our clothes and our bags out on the street when you search our cars on the way to training. . . Wasn't it great to say to them, 'But f**k youse, we're gonna win an All-Ireland anyway.'
Oisin swiped that from Braveheart.
Thought that bit was a bit cringey, its not a world title or nothing therefore to the Brits I'm sure they weren't overly impressed with Crossmaglen winning some cup in a sport they probably saw as no more than a local pastime.
I think it's more about identity. NI is supposed to be British
Quote from: T Fearon on March 23, 2016, 07:15:58 AM
Let's also not forget Clan Na Gael (three times in a row from 72-74) and Mullaghbawn,both from Armagh,won Ulster club titles before Crossmaglen did.
And people won Wimbledon before Federer. So what ?
Quote from: T Fearon on March 23, 2016, 07:15:58 AM
Let's also not forget Clan Na Gael (three times in a row from 72-74) and Mullaghbawn,both from Armagh,won Ulster club titles before Crossmaglen did.
Let's not forget that we won the AI 1,2,3,4,5,6 times and no one else in the county has!!!! We owe a great debt of gratitude to Mullaghbawn, they can proudly say that as a club, and Benny Tierney in particular, created the monster, Thanks Mullaghbawn!
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 22, 2016, 11:52:27 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 22, 2016, 11:42:21 PM
It is very difficult to see how Crossmaglen's catchment area could be considered to be on the small side. Cross is a town with a decent population, and, uniquely in the north, is entirely nationalist but has no hurling or soccer presence. It is an outstanding club, with a fantastic record not only of playing success but maintaining proper standards, and it has made the most of its natural advantages along the way.
I take it Joe Pilkington and Cartwheel are gone then. I mind trying to chase Jim McConville when he played outside left for them in the late 80s.
Pinkie is gone but the club still fields with the majority of the lads playing ex Cross players or current junior players, the odd time a few of the senior lads would have togged out.
I'd say we have max 2000 available to us. As has been said if you drive 1 mile south you have Culloville, 1 mile SW and you have St Malachys in Sheelagh, 2 mile north and you're into Creggan which is mostly Silverbridge people (with a sprinkling of the odd Cross Man :P) 3-4 miles NE and you're into Cullyhanna territory. 3-4 miles SE and you're bordering on Toome in Monaghan. As someone said we have a decent pick but we make the most of our resources and that is really the key. We also don't lose many from underage to senior the way other clubs do, partly due to success breeding success but also there has always been a fierce sense of loyalty within the club which just gets stronger each year.
Look i'm a Clan na Gael man and would never mention my club in this thread as it has nothing to do with Clan na Gael. It's not about who suffered most and who was a better team, it was different era's and is impossible to compare. Crossmaglen have the titles and there can't even be an argument but one thing i will say on our defence when the Clans played in the All Ireland Club final they played a college team who had 15 Inter County players and subs playing a club team. The GAA soon changed the rules stating College/County footballers should not be playing in the club Championship.
Main Street what is your problem with people from Lurgan?
P.S. Tony Fearon is not a Lurgan man
Quote from: Main Street on March 22, 2016, 06:44:37 PM
I have never heard of the Lurgan gaels,
Who would want to watch a documentary about the Lurgan Unknowns, compared to one about the world famous Crossmaglen?
how very dare you! ;)
Quote from: T Fearon on March 22, 2016, 06:33:41 PM
Saw nothing special about this. Could have been any GAA club anywhere.If the BBC wants to make a doc about an Armagh club being successful against all odds they should feature the Lurgan Clan na Gael club who in the mid 70s got to the AI Club Final with players all born in and around Lurgan's Francis Street,and were situated within N Armagh's notorious sectarian murder triangle in the darkest days of the troubles.
And is there a like of Dairy farmers and creameries in the Dublin area to the extent that "Ernie" Hearty has to load up his van full of milk for Dublin everyday?
It's a pity Portadown Gaels couldn't muster a bit of the Cross spirit instead of falling out with each other, a bit of the green eyed monster Tony?
Quote from: T Fearon on March 22, 2016, 07:03:50 PM
That's the problem.The Lurgan Clan Na Gael team in the mid 70s powered on by Jimmy Smyth,Colm Mc Kinstry,Jim Mc Kerr,the O'Hagans etc were the best Armagh club side I ever saw and reached an All Ireland Final over twenty years before Crossmaglen
Are they the 'greats' who got absolutely hockeyed by Dublin in 1977 All Ireland final? ::)
Why was there no mention of the defeat by the mighty Greencastle of Tyrone in the documentary? It was during that period, March 2015.
Quote from: ziggysego on March 23, 2016, 11:52:37 AM
Why was there no mention of the defeat by the mighty Greencastle of Tyrone in the documentary? It was during that period, March 2015.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Quote from: ziggysego on March 23, 2016, 11:52:37 AM
Why was there no mention of the defeat by the mighty Greencastle of Tyrone in the documentary? It was during that period, March 2015.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
All-Ireland Club Champions 2007 boyo ;)
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Quote from: ziggysego on March 23, 2016, 11:52:37 AM
Why was there no mention of the defeat by the mighty Greencastle of Tyrone in the documentary? It was during that period, March 2015.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
All-Ireland Club Champions 2007 boyo ;)
Is that Greencastle, Donegal or Greencastle in Tyrone? ;)
I was extremely disappointed with the programme. No real insight into what seperates them from most clubs. Judging them by the documentary they're no different from most clubs with regard players wanting to travel, drink bans being broke etc. Management came across as old school with a passionate bit of roaring and abusing players their methods. Maybe a bit more focus on the troubles may have made it interesting. Problem was they probably didn't want to reveal too much in order to give Ulster opponents a better chance to aet up against them.
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 23, 2016, 12:57:02 PM
I was extremely disappointed with the programme. No real insight into what seperates them from most clubs. Judging them by the documentary they're no different from most clubs with regard players wanting to travel, drink bans being broke etc. Management came across as old school with a passionate bit of roaring and abusing players their methods. Maybe a bit more focus on the troubles may have made it interesting. Problem was they probably didn't want to reveal too much in order to give Ulster opponents a better chance to aet up against them.
Seemed a very joyless setup but can't deny their success. Jamie is a free spirit and was excellent.
Quote from: longballin on March 23, 2016, 12:24:02 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on March 23, 2016, 11:59:08 AM
Quote from: screenexile on March 23, 2016, 11:58:02 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on March 23, 2016, 11:52:37 AM
Why was there no mention of the defeat by the mighty Greencastle of Tyrone in the documentary? It was during that period, March 2015.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
All-Ireland Club Champions 2007 boyo ;)
Is that Greencastle, Donegal or Greencastle in Tyrone? ;)
I noted which in the original post for pedantic boys like you.
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I was extremely disappointed with the programme. No real insight into what seperates them from most clubs. Judging them by the documentary they're no different from most clubs with regard players wanting to travel, drink bans being broke etc. Management came across as old school with a passionate bit of roaring and abusing players their methods. Maybe a bit more focus on the troubles may have made it interesting. Problem was they probably didn't want to reveal too much in order to give Ulster opponents a better chance to aet up against them.
Seemed a very joyless setup but can't deny their success. Jamie is a free spirit and was excellent.
Have to agree - I had heard bits and pieces about Clarke in general and when he popped up on the programme I turned to the missus and said heard he's a bit weird!
Felt bad for saying it after I watched the show cause like you said he came across like a good cub that had everything that is good about the game and that seems to be totally lost in todays game!
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Quote from: mrdeeds on March 23, 2016, 12:57:02 PM
I was extremely disappointed with the programme. No real insight into what seperates them from most clubs. Judging them by the documentary they're no different from most clubs with regard players wanting to travel, drink bans being broke etc. Management came across as old school with a passionate bit of roaring and abusing players their methods. Maybe a bit more focus on the troubles may have made it interesting. Problem was they probably didn't want to reveal too much in order to give Ulster opponents a better chance to aet up against them.
Seemed a very joyless setup but can't deny their success. Jamie is a free spirit and was excellent.
Have to agree - I had heard bits and pieces about Clarke in general and when he popped up on the programme I turned to the missus and said heard he's a bit weird!
Felt bad for saying it after I watched the show cause like you said he came across like a good cub that had everything that is good about the game and that seems to be totally lost in todays game!
Considered 'weird' for thinking beyond the borders of Crossmaglen or for what reason
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Quote from: WT4E on March 23, 2016, 01:08:47 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 23, 2016, 12:59:20 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 23, 2016, 12:57:02 PM
I was extremely disappointed with the programme. No real insight into what seperates them from most clubs. Judging them by the documentary they're no different from most clubs with regard players wanting to travel, drink bans being broke etc. Management came across as old school with a passionate bit of roaring and abusing players their methods. Maybe a bit more focus on the troubles may have made it interesting. Problem was they probably didn't want to reveal too much in order to give Ulster opponents a better chance to aet up against them.
Seemed a very joyless setup but can't deny their success. Jamie is a free spirit and was excellent.
Have to agree - I had heard bits and pieces about Clarke in general and when he popped up on the programme I turned to the missus and said heard he's a bit weird!
Felt bad for saying it after I watched the show cause like you said he came across like a good cub that had everything that is good about the game and that seems to be totally lost in todays game!
Considered 'weird' for thinking beyond the borders of Crossmaglen or for what reason
It has been well documented in this parish that a lot of people have taken against Jamie due to the fact that he is a gifted footballer but didn't seem to want to hang around and put it to its best use. As said above, seems like a nice lad who can see beyond the boundaries of Armagh.
Jamie is only following the lead of Brokencrossbar who also saw beyond the boundaries of Armagh. As it happened, he didn't much like what he saw and went back again. And who could blame him, when what he saw was Langers everywhere?
Quote from: Hardy on March 27, 2016, 09:13:11 AM
Jamie is only following the lead of Brokencrossbar who also saw beyond the boundaries of Armagh. As it happened, he didn't much like what he saw and went back again. And who could blame him, when what he saw was Langers everywhere?
T'is true but I stayed till I had my job done!! When I left there was nowt left in me in terms of football!
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Quote from: Hardy on March 27, 2016, 09:13:11 AM
Jamie is only following the lead of Brokencrossbar who also saw beyond the boundaries of Armagh. As it happened, he didn't much like what he saw and went back again. And who could blame him, when what he saw was Langers everywhere?
T'is true but I stayed till I had my job done!! When I left there was nowt left in me in terms of football!
Aye and a rake of county, Ulster and AI medals in your back pocket, fair play BC.
Agree with a few sentiments on here that we didn't really learn anything about Cross from this, it was more of a PR exercise for the village rather than an insight into the football team.
I didn't expect to get a real insight into the Senior team set up - why would they let that happen? Yeh a few shots from the changing rooms, and team meetings etc, but for example Clarke explaining he was going away bit was obviously fabricated for the programme. I doubt that's when the conversation took place. He also came back against Kilcoo, but they made it out as if he was just back for the Ulster Final. More noteable that the absence of Kernans or anything else, was the absence of any single shot or footage from a collective training session. If you are following a team for two years, training is where they are together for 90% of the time - nothing from any of these sessions spoke volumes to me. Fair play to them, a great programme for the purpose they wanted it for. In terms of insight or anyone who thought there would be insight into the camp - no chance!
The BBC did enough hatchet job programmes about Cross, the place, over the years. They owe us a few positive ones, even if not everyone buys the TV licence.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 28, 2016, 12:18:42 PM
The BBC did enough hatchet job programmes about Cross, the place, over the years. They owe us a few positive ones, even if not everyone buys the TV licence.
Great club but Errigal Ciaran with Peter The Great at the helm taught them a lesson or two. Zero wins for Cross in 5 meetings as I recall! PTG just loved putting Armagh in their box at club and county level. Struck up a strong bond with the McEntees and Jarlath Burns despite the rivalry. 😀😀😀😀
Quote from: Over the Bar on March 28, 2016, 04:54:29 PM
Great club but Errigal Ciaran with Peter The Great at the helm taught them a lesson or two. Zero wins for Cross in 5 meetings as I recall! PTG just loved putting Armagh in their box at club and county level. Struck up a strong bond with the McEntees and Jarlath Burns despite the rivalry. 😀😀😀😀
Keeps us all awake at night so it does. No amount of AIs will ever replace the disappointment!
Quote from: Over the Bar on March 28, 2016, 04:54:29 PM
Great club but Errigal Ciaran with Peter The Great at the helm taught them a lesson or two. Zero wins for Cross in 5 meetings as I recall! PTG just loved putting Armagh in their box at club and county level. Struck up a strong bond with the McEntees and Jarlath Burns despite the rivalry. 😀😀😀😀
You gotta love these teams whooping and cheering about beating Cross' for years afterwards, despite having done precisely nothing after that.
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Quote from: Over the Bar on March 28, 2016, 04:54:29 PM
Great club but Errigal Ciaran with Peter The Great at the helm taught them a lesson or two. Zero wins for Cross in 5 meetings as I recall! PTG just loved putting Armagh in their box at club and county level. Struck up a strong bond with the McEntees and Jarlath Burns despite the rivalry. 😀😀😀😀
Keeps us all awake at night so it does. No amount of AIs will ever replace the disappointment!
Reminds me of the story I heard about the YAW in a pub in Dublin, who walks up to Brian O'Driscoll and says I have the one thing you can never have. BOD says 'what's that?' The YAW shows him some metal hanging around his neck and says 'a Schools Junior Cup medal'.
(Edit: of course this may be a R O'C-K story or something similar)
Quote from: armaghniac on March 29, 2016, 01:57:21 AM
Quote from: Over the Bar on March 28, 2016, 04:54:29 PM
Great club but Errigal Ciaran with Peter The Great at the helm taught them a lesson or two. Zero wins for Cross in 5 meetings as I recall! PTG just loved putting Armagh in their box at club and county level. Struck up a strong bond with the McEntees and Jarlath Burns despite the rivalry. 😀😀😀😀
You gotta love these teams whooping and cheering about beating Cross' for years afterwards, despite having done precisely nothing after that.
In fairness to EC, we have only lost to 13 teams in 20 years and about 170 championship matches, they are the only team to have beaten us twice so they are without doubt the greatest team of the last 20 years even though they have never won an AI
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Quote from: armaghniac on March 29, 2016, 01:57:21 AM
Quote from: Over the Bar on March 28, 2016, 04:54:29 PM
Great club but Errigal Ciaran with Peter The Great at the helm taught them a lesson or two. Zero wins for Cross in 5 meetings as I recall! PTG just loved putting Armagh in their box at club and county level. Struck up a strong bond with the McEntees and Jarlath Burns despite the rivalry. 😀😀😀😀
You gotta love these teams whooping and cheering about beating Cross' for years afterwards, despite having done precisely nothing after that.
In fairness to EC, we have only lost to 13 teams in 20 years and about 170 championship matches, they are the only team to have beaten us twice so they are without doubt the greatest team of the last 20 years even though they have never won an AI
Good job you qualified that or Tony would have been after you.
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Quote from: armaghniac on March 29, 2016, 01:57:21 AM
Quote from: Over the Bar on March 28, 2016, 04:54:29 PM
Great club but Errigal Ciaran with Peter The Great at the helm taught them a lesson or two. Zero wins for Cross in 5 meetings as I recall! PTG just loved putting Armagh in their box at club and county level. Struck up a strong bond with the McEntees and Jarlath Burns despite the rivalry. 😀😀😀😀
You gotta love these teams whooping and cheering about beating Cross' for years afterwards, despite having done precisely nothing after that.
In fairness to EC, we have only lost to 13 teams in 20 years and about 170 championship matches, they are the only team to have beaten us twice so they are without doubt the greatest team of the last 20 years even though they have never won an AI
Are they better than the best team ever to come out of armagh from the 70s who never won an AI though?
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Quote from: Over the Bar on March 28, 2016, 04:54:29 PM
Great club but Errigal Ciaran with Peter The Great at the helm taught them a lesson or two. Zero wins for Cross in 5 meetings as I recall! PTG just loved putting Armagh in their box at club and county level. Struck up a strong bond with the McEntees and Jarlath Burns despite the rivalry. 😀😀😀😀
You gotta love these teams whooping and cheering about beating Cross' for years afterwards, despite having done precisely nothing after that.
In fairness to EC, we have only lost to 13 teams in 20 years and about 170 championship matches, they are the only team to have beaten us twice so they are without doubt the greatest team of the last 20 years even though they have never won an AI
Are they better than the best team ever to come out of armagh from the 70s who never won an AI though?
I can't argue against that as I didn't see them play but by all accounts (ok 1 account!) the Francis Street boys are the greatest team of all time and are up there with the great Kerry team, Kilkenny, Barcelona, The Lisbon Lions, Brazil in Mexico 1970, the Micheal Jordan Chicago Bulls team, RM with Puskas and De Stefanio, the All Blacks, and Burt hurling club.
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Quote from: Over the Bar on March 28, 2016, 04:54:29 PM
Great club but Errigal Ciaran with Peter The Great at the helm taught them a lesson or two. Zero wins for Cross in 5 meetings as I recall! PTG just loved putting Armagh in their box at club and county level. Struck up a strong bond with the McEntees and Jarlath Burns despite the rivalry. 😀😀😀😀
You gotta love these teams whooping and cheering about beating Cross' for years afterwards, despite having done precisely nothing after that.
In fairness to EC, we have only lost to 13 teams in 20 years and about 170 championship matches, they are the only team to have beaten us twice so they are without doubt the greatest team of the last 20 years even though they have never won an AI
Are they better than the best team ever to come out of armagh from the 70s who never won an AI though?
I can't argue against that as I didn't see them play but by all accounts (ok 1 account!) the Francis Street boys are the greatest team of all time and are up there with the great Kerry team, Kilkenny, Barcelona, The Lisbon Lions, Brazil in Mexico 1970, the Micheal Jordan Chicago Bulls team, RM with Puskas and De Stefanio, the All Blacks, and Burt hurling club.
;D
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Quote from: Over the Bar on March 28, 2016, 04:54:29 PM
Great club but Errigal Ciaran with Peter The Great at the helm taught them a lesson or two. Zero wins for Cross in 5 meetings as I recall! PTG just loved putting Armagh in their box at club and county level. Struck up a strong bond with the McEntees and Jarlath Burns despite the rivalry. 😀😀😀😀
You gotta love these teams whooping and cheering about beating Cross' for years afterwards, despite having done precisely nothing after that.
In fairness to EC, we have only lost to 13 teams in 20 years and about 170 championship matches, they are the only team to have beaten us twice so they are without doubt the greatest team of the last 20 years even though they have never won an AI
Are they better than the best team ever to come out of armagh from the 70s who never won an AI though?
I can't argue against that as I didn't see them play but by all accounts (ok 1 account!) the Francis Street boys are the greatest team of all time and are up there with the great Kerry team, Kilkenny, Barcelona, The Lisbon Lions, Brazil in Mexico 1970, the Micheal Jordan Chicago Bulls team, RM with Puskas and De Stefanio, the All Blacks, and Burt hurling club.
;D
In fairness to EC, if you joined up 3 football clubs, I would like to think you would give it a good shot. Another genius move by Mickey Harte :o
Would Errigal welcome in blow ins?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 29, 2016, 10:16:11 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 29, 2016, 01:57:21 AM
Quote from: Over the Bar on March 28, 2016, 04:54:29 PM
Great club but Errigal Ciaran with Peter The Great at the helm taught them a lesson or two. Zero wins for Cross in 5 meetings as I recall! PTG just loved putting Armagh in their box at club and county level. Struck up a strong bond with the McEntees and Jarlath Burns despite the rivalry. 😀😀😀😀
You gotta love these teams whooping and cheering about beating Cross' for years afterwards, despite having done precisely nothing after that.
In fairness to EC, we have only lost to 13 teams in 20 years and about 170 championship matches, they are the only team to have beaten us twice so they are without doubt the greatest team of the last 20 years even though they have never won an AI
Did Enniskillen Gaels not beat you a couple of times as well BCB? I lived with a Gaels man in Belfast around 2000 and there was a decent rivalry between them and you and that time.
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Quote from: Over the Bar on March 28, 2016, 04:54:29 PM
Great club but Errigal Ciaran with Peter The Great at the helm taught them a lesson or two. Zero wins for Cross in 5 meetings as I recall! PTG just loved putting Armagh in their box at club and county level. Struck up a strong bond with the McEntees and Jarlath Burns despite the rivalry. 😀😀😀😀
You gotta love these teams whooping and cheering about beating Cross' for years afterwards, despite having done precisely nothing after that.
In fairness to EC, we have only lost to 13 teams in 20 years and about 170 championship matches, they are the only team to have beaten us twice so they are without doubt the greatest team of the last 20 years even though they have never won an AI
Did Enniskillen Gaels not beat you a couple of times as well BCB? I lived with a Gaels man in Belfast around 2000 and there was a decent rivalry between them and you and that time.
We played them3 times SJ, we won 2 they won 1. We beat them in the 99 Ulster final when one of us got a very dubious red card for nathin' ;), we beat the next year in Cross and they beat us in 2001 down in Brewster Park. There was a good rivalry and funny I had a great craic with a few of them at the St Pauls minor tournament before Christmas. They're another club who never really built on their success. They are intermediate now but building a few strong underage teams. Good lads.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce3_g0yWsAA2OfE.jpg:large)
Didn't realise the board had it's own Ashley Cole...
Joe Fitzgerald ha :-)
Changed my aftershave after that one!!
My grey haired mate was in Meaghers ahead of the 2012 All-Ireland final. This chap joined him and his friend and asked if they had any spare tickets. When they replied that they didn't, he said "Why do all the shite clubs get tickets?" When they asked what the individual knew about their club, he said "I'm from crossmaglen, compared with us, every club is shite." Said individual looked like one of the stars of last week's show.
On tonight BBC4. Theres not much actual football being shown. Plenty of clips but odd situations in the match. Interesting all the same.
It was quite telling to see the club still going strong while the army barracks looks like this fearful inward looking place. The poor soldier, you wouldn't think he ever served in an army, he looked seriously unwell next to Oisín.
Its a very serious set up it seems. I don't know if other counties clubs take the same approach.
Also I would suggest this alcohol ban thing is nonsense. You can even drink a beer on the same night as you train and it wouldnt affect you. Fair enough have rules but there should be a scientific basis to it. Just cut out excessive drinking and when the body is in recovery.
Also it must be serious fuel for the other clubs in Armagh. You'd be sitting there thinking "would ye listen to these wankers".
Quote from: thejuice on May 05, 2016, 11:53:59 PM
On tonight BBC4. Theres not much actual football being shown. Plenty of clips but odd situations in the match. Interesting all the same.
It was quite telling to see the club still going strong while the army barracks looks like this fearful inward looking place. The poor soldier, you wouldn't think he ever served in an army, he looked seriously unwell next to Oisín.
Its a very serious set up it seems. I don't know if other counties clubs take the same approach.
Also I would suggest this alcohol ban thing is nonsense. You can even drink a beer on the same night as you train and it wouldnt affect you. Fair enough have rules but there should be a scientific basis to it. Just cut out excessive drinking and when the body is in recovery.
Also it must be serious fuel for the other clubs in Armagh. You'd be sitting there thinking "would ye listen to these w**kers".
They probably are thinking that. They still can't beat them though.
Crossmaglen defeated in tonight's Armagh SFC semi final and unfortunately they did not accept defeat by Champions Maghery very well and initiated a mass brawl at the final whistle.Sad.
However their minors were defeated in the Minor Final today also by Lurgan Clann Eireann so a great day for North Armagh.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 30, 2017, 10:27:07 PM
Crossmaglen defeated in tonight's Armagh SFC semi final and unfortunately they did not accept defeat by Champions Maghery very well and initiated a mass brawl at the final whistle.Sad.
The use of language here is inappropriate, the brawl was started an individual or two, not "they".
Quote from: hardstation on September 30, 2017, 11:32:34 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 30, 2017, 11:28:18 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 30, 2017, 10:27:07 PM
Crossmaglen defeated in tonight's Armagh SFC semi final and unfortunately they did not accept defeat by Champions Maghery very well and initiated a mass brawl at the final whistle.Sad.
The use of language here is inappropriate, the brawl was started an individual or two, not "they".
Indeed. Tony, unless every member of Crossmaglen CLG was involved in this, you can't use the collective "they". Ok??
It might be sufficient to show that more than 50% were.
If Celtic as a club has to take responsibility for a drunken eejit running on to the pitch to aim a kick at a PSG player then Crossmsglen must take responsibility for the actions of all of their players.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 30, 2017, 11:39:40 PM
If Celtic as a club has to take responsibility for a drunken eejit running on to the pitch to aim a kick at a PSG player then Crossmsglen must take responsibility for the actions of all of their players.
Did all of their players start the brawl?
Did the jump the fence?
Jamie Clarke missing again, on travels. He must be a very frustrating player to play with. Coming and going whenever he choses.
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 30, 2017, 11:53:48 PM
Jamie Clarke missing again, on travels. He must be a very frustrating player to play with. Coming and going whenever he choses.
Amateur sport. Clarke is one of the few who actually understands that fact.
I'm aware it's Amateur . Why not go when/if they were knocked out. He wasn't around last year either when Crossmaglen were beaten in the Semi's. Barely played for them in the last few years.
Quote from: hardstation on September 30, 2017, 11:48:28 PM
When you are a club, every individual member is part of a collective. The collective takes responsibility for the individual. It's kind of the point of a club.
Surely the point of a club is that the individual takes on the interests of the collective? Some betray that interest.
I am glad that Crossmaglen's reign has ended.Their Seniors and Minors were defeated today by two North Armagh clubs,that's the same N Armagh that has been ignored by the County Board since the death of Gerry Fegan in 1995.
Quote from: T Fearon on October 01, 2017, 12:18:53 AM
I am glad that Crossmaglen's reign has ended.Their Seniors and Minors were defeated today by two North Armagh clubs,that's the same N Armagh that has been ignored by the County Board since the death of Gerry Fegan in 1995.
One of the Clann Eireann players was sent off. That taints all North Armagh people.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 01, 2017, 12:36:36 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on October 01, 2017, 12:18:53 AM
I am glad that Crossmaglen's reign has ended.Their Seniors and Minors were defeated today by two North Armagh clubs,that's the same N Armagh that has been ignored by the County Board since the death of Gerry Fegan in 1995.
One of the Clann Eireann players was sent off. That taints all North Armagh people.
Surely if it is Clann Eireann it taints the whole nation
Quote from: hardstation on September 30, 2017, 11:48:28 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 30, 2017, 11:40:37 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 30, 2017, 11:39:40 PM
If Celtic as a club has to take responsibility for a drunken eejit running on to the pitch to aim a kick at a PSG player then Crossmsglen must take responsibility for the actions of all of their players.
Did all of their players start the brawl?
When you are a club, every individual member is part of a collective. The collective takes responsibility for the individual. It's kind of the point of a club.
Some cross players, notably Aaron Keenan, were trying to calm everything down and stop what was going on. What responsibility should be take?
Armagh section for this local squabble please.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 01, 2017, 10:05:19 AM
Armagh section for this local squabble please.
You are a predictable poster, I will give you that!
Quote from: Rossfan on October 01, 2017, 10:05:19 AM
Armagh section for this local squabble please.
If Cross are only human the Dubs 1000 year Reich is banjaxed. Kildare should stop whinging.
1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015
The Dubs have only won 5...
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 01, 2017, 09:26:17 AM
Quote from: hardstation on September 30, 2017, 11:48:28 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 30, 2017, 11:40:37 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 30, 2017, 11:39:40 PM
If Celtic as a club has to take responsibility for a drunken eejit running on to the pitch to aim a kick at a PSG player then Crossmsglen must take responsibility for the actions of all of their players.
Did all of their players start the brawl?
When you are a club, every individual member is part of a collective. The collective takes responsibility for the individual. It's kind of the point of a club.
Some cross players, notably Aaron Keenan, were trying to calm everything down and stop what was going on. What responsibility should be take?
Cross fans must be the worst behaved in Ulster. The abuse some of them dish out to opposing fans in their vicinity is obscene and wouldn't be tolerated at a soccer match.
Quote from: seafoid on October 01, 2017, 12:06:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 01, 2017, 10:05:19 AM
Armagh section for this local squabble please.
If Cross are only human the Dubs 1000 year Reich is banjaxed. Kildare should stop whinging.
1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015
The Dubs have only won 5...
It's all over .... sure we know that. We only won the u16 championship this year and would give the u21s a fair rattle as we are favourites. Minors lost to very strong favourites Clann Eireann by 1 in yesterday's final with only 5 overage next season. We will be alright. We will win more senior championships in the next ten years than we will lose I reckon.
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 01, 2017, 09:26:17 AM
Quote from: hardstation on September 30, 2017, 11:48:28 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 30, 2017, 11:40:37 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 30, 2017, 11:39:40 PM
If Celtic as a club has to take responsibility for a drunken eejit running on to the pitch to aim a kick at a PSG player then Crossmsglen must take responsibility for the actions of all of their players.
Did all of their players start the brawl?
When you are a club, every individual member is part of a collective. The collective takes responsibility for the individual. It's kind of the point of a club.
Some cross players, notably Aaron Keenan, were trying to calm everything down and stop what was going on. What responsibility should be take?
It was only a handful of players who instigated / perpetrated the post game row - which as unsavoury as it is, happens in the heat of the moment from time to time. The supporters who jumped the fence to add to the melee - several of whom are circulating on popular social media posts - are the people who let Cross down.
Cross have recently and will in the near future as bc says win more Armagh championships than they lose but they really have to take responsibility for the behaviour of their "supporters". This is not a recent phenomenon but pointing it out before has been criticised as sour grapes on the part of losing clubs.
The aggressive and frankly neanderthal approach to "supporting" teams that is so frequently associated with Cross is starkly at odds with the well coached, disciplined and talented teams this great club consistently produces. Verbally abusing and physically intimidating opposition supporters is not part of anyone's role in any club. I'm not even going to bother with the attitude and respect for other clubs' players, mentors and volunteers. I am consistently bemused that Cross as a club don't see this as a blight on their reputation and take steps to deal with it. If they don't they can only be seen as condoning it.
The easy response is that "every team has them" but that is just flatly not true on the scale and depth that Cross have. I know a lot of neutral football people in Armagh that just will not go and see Cross play because of the conduct of a lot of their supporters, which is a huge pity for a team that is more often than not our standard bearer and deserving of the whole county's support in Ulster and beyond.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 01, 2017, 12:16:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 01, 2017, 12:06:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 01, 2017, 10:05:19 AM
Armagh section for this local squabble please.
If Cross are only human the Dubs 1000 year Reich is banjaxed. Kildare should stop whinging.
1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015
The Dubs have only won 5...
It's all over .... sure we know that. We only won the u16 championship this year and would give the u21s a fair rattle as we are favourites. Minors lost to very strong favourites Clann Eireann by 1 in yesterday's final with only 5 overage next season. We will be alright. We will win more senior championships in the next ten years than we will lose I reckon.
Le mort d'un géant est triste mais il est nécessaire pour la vie du forêt.
The falling of a huge tree is sad but it is necessary in the life of the GAA forest
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 01, 2017, 01:18:55 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 01, 2017, 09:26:17 AM
Quote from: hardstation on September 30, 2017, 11:48:28 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 30, 2017, 11:40:37 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 30, 2017, 11:39:40 PM
If Celtic as a club has to take responsibility for a drunken eejit running on to the pitch to aim a kick at a PSG player then Crossmsglen must take responsibility for the actions of all of their players.
Did all of their players start the brawl?
When you are a club, every individual member is part of a collective. The collective takes responsibility for the individual. It's kind of the point of a club.
Some cross players, notably Aaron Keenan, were trying to calm everything down and stop what was going on. What responsibility should be take?
It was only a handful of players who instigated / perpetrated the post game row - which as unsavoury as it is, happens in the heat of the moment from time to time. The supporters who jumped the fence to add to the melee - several of whom are circulating on popular social media posts - are the people who let Cross down.
Cross have recently and will in the near future as bc says win more Armagh championships than they lose but they really have to take responsibility for the behaviour of their "supporters". This is not a recent phenomenon but pointing it out before has been criticised as sour grapes on the part of losing clubs.
The aggressive and frankly neanderthal approach to "supporting" teams that is so frequently associated with Cross is starkly at odds with the well coached, disciplined and talented teams this great club consistently produces. Verbally abusing and physically intimidating opposition supporters is not part of anyone's role in any club. I'm not even going to bother with the attitude and respect for other clubs' players, mentors and volunteers. I am consistently bemused that Cross as a club don't see this as a blight on their reputation and take steps to deal with it. If they don't they can only be seen as condoning it.
The easy response is that "every team has them" but that is just flatly not true on the scale and depth that Cross have. I know a lot of neutral football people in Armagh that just will not go and see Cross play because of the conduct of a lot of their supporters, which is a huge pity for a team that is more often than not our standard bearer and deserving of the whole county's support in Ulster and beyond.
I agree with you in regards to some supporters. The difficulty you have that when you are successful you have elements of supporters who are not generally involved in the club for a period and get carried away. I also know that one of the supporters who came onto the field is a family member of a player who was lying on the ground getting a hammering so it is a natural reaction perhaps. It doesn't condone it but goes a way to explain it.
Last night hurt but maghery were the better team on the night. We have a lot of men with an awful lot of miles on the legs and some with not enough. As you say the young players that we have are well coached and well respected so we will continue to develop and we will still be there or thereabouts for a long time yet.
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 30, 2017, 11:53:48 PM
Jamie Clarke missing again, on travels. He must be a very frustrating player to play with. Coming and going whenever he choses.
It's called freedom... good for him if that's where the spirit takes him
Its called no commitment free soul my a...
The usual, their amateur players response when some critism is directed. County players have a good profile, get many perks. What's wrong with giving some commitment to the club?
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 01, 2017, 01:18:55 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 01, 2017, 09:26:17 AM
Quote from: hardstation on September 30, 2017, 11:48:28 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 30, 2017, 11:40:37 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 30, 2017, 11:39:40 PM
If Celtic as a club has to take responsibility for a drunken eejit running on to the pitch to aim a kick at a PSG player then Crossmsglen must take responsibility for the actions of all of their players.
Did all of their players start the brawl?
When you are a club, every individual member is part of a collective. The collective takes responsibility for the individual. It's kind of the point of a club.
Some cross players, notably Aaron Keenan, were trying to calm everything down and stop what was going on. What responsibility should be take?
It was only a handful of players who instigated / perpetrated the post game row - which as unsavoury as it is, happens in the heat of the moment from time to time. The supporters who jumped the fence to add to the melee - several of whom are circulating on popular social media posts - are the people who let Cross down.
Cross have recently and will in the near future as bc says win more Armagh championships than they lose but they really have to take responsibility for the behaviour of their "supporters". This is not a recent phenomenon but pointing it out before has been criticised as sour grapes on the part of losing clubs.
The aggressive and frankly neanderthal approach to "supporting" teams that is so frequently associated with Cross is starkly at odds with the well coached, disciplined and talented teams this great club consistently produces. Verbally abusing and physically intimidating opposition supporters is not part of anyone's role in any club. I'm not even going to bother with the attitude and respect for other clubs' players, mentors and volunteers. I am consistently bemused that Cross as a club don't see this as a blight on their reputation and take steps to deal with it. If they don't they can only be seen as condoning it.
The easy response is that "every team has them" but that is just flatly not true on the scale and depth that Cross have. I know a lot of neutral football people in Armagh that just will not go and see Cross play because of the conduct of a lot of their supporters, which is a huge pity for a team that is more often than not our standard bearer and deserving of the whole county's support in Ulster and beyond.
I agree with you. My response was to people who say cross as a whole have to take the blame. My own, limited experience, with cross supporters is that they are good knowledgeable and gracious supporters. That said the video I seen doesn't paint a good picture.
This wanton Crossmaglen violence is a sign of a much deeper malaise,deriving from arrogance and entitlement (how dare anyone in Armagh even think about beating us).Other manifestations have been holding the county team to ransom during our best years,and generally being the tail that wagged the County Board dog for far too long.
A few years,or hopefully more,in the wilderness will do them no harm.
Quote from: T Fearon on October 01, 2017, 02:29:13 PM
This wanton Crossmaglen violence is a sign of a much deeper malaise,deriving from arrogance and entitlement (how dare anyone in Armagh even think about beating us).Other manifestations have been holding the county team to ransom during our best years,and generally being the tail that wagged the County Board dog for far too long.
A few years,or hopefully more,in the wilderness will do them no harm.
Do you know what Tony i was going to get into it with you it you're not worth it. The thing about arguing with a fool is they'll bring you to their level and win on experience. Enjoy your Sunday.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 01, 2017, 01:54:28 PM
I agree with you in regards to some supporters. The difficulty you have that when you are successful you have elements of supporters who are not generally involved in the club for a period and get carried away. I also know that one of the supporters who came onto the field is a family member of a player who was lying on the ground getting a hammering so it is a natural reaction perhaps. It doesn't condone it but goes a way to explain it.
Last night hurt but maghery were the better team on the night. We have a lot of men with an awful lot of miles on the legs and some with not enough. As you say the young players that we have are well coached and well respected so we will continue to develop and we will still be there or thereabouts for a long time yet.
Whilst I acknowledge all of that mitigation bc, at some point the club have to, at the very least, be seen to be trying to do something about their reputation in this regard.
It just isn't good enough to focus on football and brush past the other nonsense each time these incidents occur.
Quote from: skeog on October 01, 2017, 02:09:44 PM
Its called no commitment free soul my a...
maybe he sees more to life that kicking an aul bog ball up and down muck all winter... good luck to him
So which Cross player couldn't take his beatin' and started the melee?
I'm guessing most of the comments are from people werent at the game. I was. It was a bit of pushing and shoving looked bad because so many at it. Wasnt a punch thrown, certainly no-one was felled. Was about final whistle time and a clip on social media does not at all reflect what was an excellent fair hard hitting game... unfortunately boys with their mobile phones dont show the great fielding by both teams, scores and passages of play...
Much ado about nothing the so-called mellee
Quote from: longballin on October 01, 2017, 03:44:31 PM
I'm guessing most of the comments are from people werent at the game. I was. It was a bit of pushing and shoving looked bad because so many at it. Wasnt a punch thrown, certainly no-one was felled. Was about final whistle time and a clip on social media does not at all reflect what was an excellent fair hard hitting game... unfortunately boys with their mobile phones dont show the great fielding by both teams, scores and passages of play...
Much ado about nothing the so-called mellee
I would agree with you to an extent by the issue was that some cross supporters were on the field. I have heard things are far from as clear cut as people would suggest in terms of blame.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 01, 2017, 04:07:19 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 01, 2017, 03:44:31 PM
I'm guessing most of the comments are from people werent at the game. I was. It was a bit of pushing and shoving looked bad because so many at it. Wasnt a punch thrown, certainly no-one was felled. Was about final whistle time and a clip on social media does not at all reflect what was an excellent fair hard hitting game... unfortunately boys with their mobile phones dont show the great fielding by both teams, scores and passages of play...
Much ado about nothing the so-called mellee
I would agree with you to an extent by the issue was that some cross supporters were on the field. I have heard things are far from as clear cut as people would suggest in terms of blame.
Genuinly don't know who was on the field and Im not from Crossmaglen or Maghery but I did think it was a great game and more pushing than anything at the end. You're right though, no supporter should have went in...
Quote from: longballin on October 01, 2017, 03:44:31 PM
I'm guessing most of the comments are from people werent at the game. I was. It was a bit of pushing and shoving looked bad because so many at it. Wasnt a punch thrown, certainly no-one was felled. Was about final whistle time and a clip on social media does not at all reflect what was an excellent fair hard hitting game... unfortunately boys with their mobile phones dont show the great fielding by both teams, scores and passages of play...
Much ado about nothing the so-called mellee
The video I seen certainly looked like punched were thrown. What it didn't show though was who or what started it
Quote from: T Fearon on October 01, 2017, 02:29:13 PM
This wanton Crossmaglen violence is a sign of a much deeper malaise,deriving from arrogance and entitlement (how dare anyone in Armagh even think about beating us).Other manifestations have been holding the county team to ransom during our best years,and generally being the tail that wagged the County Board dog for far too long.
A few years,or hopefully more,in the wilderness will do them no harm.
very bitter
Fantastic game of football last night, i guess the loss of Jamie and TK is very significant but I thought Maghery were much the better unit and only for The O'Neill brothers (specifically Oisin) the margin of victory would have been much greater. Cross had an unbelievable run of success with an abnormal amount of quality players from one club in such a short period of time but they've looked like they've been coming back to thd field this past year or two. They'll undoubtedly still pick of County titles with regularity but the glory days are over. Commitment and organisation will get you so far but they cant replace the quality of bygone years or inject youth into old legs.
Quote from: thebar on October 01, 2017, 04:46:23 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on October 01, 2017, 02:29:13 PM
This wanton Crossmaglen violence is a sign of a much deeper malaise,deriving from arrogance and entitlement (how dare anyone in Armagh even think about beating us).Other manifestations have been holding the county team to ransom during our best years,and generally being the tail that wagged the County Board dog for far too long.
A few years,or hopefully more,in the wilderness will do them no harm.
very bitter
No far off the mark though
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on October 01, 2017, 05:24:52 PM
Quote from: thebar on October 01, 2017, 04:46:23 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on October 01, 2017, 02:29:13 PM
This wanton Crossmaglen violence is a sign of a much deeper malaise,deriving from arrogance and entitlement (how dare anyone in Armagh even think about beating us).Other manifestations have been holding the county team to ransom during our best years,and generally being the tail that wagged the County Board dog for far too long.
A few years,or hopefully more,in the wilderness will do them no harm.
very bitter
No far off the mark though
I would agree 100% with every word.
Quote from: longballin on October 01, 2017, 03:44:31 PM
I'm guessing most of the comments are from people werent at the game. I was. It was a bit of pushing and shoving looked bad because so many at it. Wasnt a punch thrown, certainly no-one was felled. Was about final whistle time and a clip on social media does not at all reflect what was an excellent fair hard hitting game... unfortunately boys with their mobile phones dont show the great fielding by both teams, scores and passages of play...
Much ado about nothing the so-called mellee
I was at the game and I was about ten yards from the major flare up. What started the melee was what to me resembled a frenzied and uncontrolled attack by one player, with multile punches thrown to the head of an opposition player, who was on his knees.
Now, would you care to revisit your statement whch reads 'Wasnt a punch thrown'?
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on October 01, 2017, 06:10:49 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 01, 2017, 03:44:31 PM
I'm guessing most of the comments are from people werent at the game. I was. It was a bit of pushing and shoving looked bad because so many at it. Wasnt a punch thrown, certainly no-one was felled. Was about final whistle time and a clip on social media does not at all reflect what was an excellent fair hard hitting game... unfortunately boys with their mobile phones dont show the great fielding by both teams, scores and passages of play...
Much ado about nothing the so-called mellee
I was at the game and I was about ten yards from the major flare up. What started the melee was what to me resembled a frenzied and uncontrolled attack by one player, with multile punches thrown to the head of an opposition player, who was on his knees.
Now, would you care to revisit your statement whch reads 'Wasnt a punch thrown'?
If you say so... looked like a shoving session were I was. Must have been serious injury by sounds of that... :o
Quote from: longballin on October 01, 2017, 06:22:08 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on October 01, 2017, 06:10:49 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 01, 2017, 03:44:31 PM
I'm guessing most of the comments are from people werent at the game. I was. It was a bit of pushing and shoving looked bad because so many at it. Wasnt a punch thrown, certainly no-one was felled. Was about final whistle time and a clip on social media does not at all reflect what was an excellent fair hard hitting game... unfortunately boys with their mobile phones dont show the great fielding by both teams, scores and passages of play...
Much ado about nothing the so-called mellee
I was at the game and I was about ten yards from the major flare up. What started the melee was what to me resembled a frenzied and uncontrolled attack by one player, with multile punches thrown to the head of an opposition player, who was on his knees.
Now, would you care to revisit your statement whch reads 'Wasnt a punch thrown'?
If you say so... looked like a shoving session were I was. Must have been serious injury by sounds of that... :o
Is there an inference there that if there wasn't a serious injury resulting, then it was ok?
It's a physical game we play and at times these types of instances do seem to flare up and the boiling point can be breached. However cross have all too often been the aggressors in these fracas and they don't care for any side who dares stand up to them, case in point when their bench emptied in Keady last year when Stephen Kernan tried to take a Harps players head off with his elbow. Also watching cross as an opposing fan can be a very intimidating experience. From personal experience they don't like when you try and call for free, or even shout on encouragement with many sections of they're fans resorting to personal jibes and cocky retorts yet they constantly heckle officials. Part of me feels they've earned entitlement but its really not a great experience and has left a stain on their club for many opposing fans.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on October 01, 2017, 06:10:49 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 01, 2017, 03:44:31 PM
I'm guessing most of the comments are from people werent at the game. I was. It was a bit of pushing and shoving looked bad because so many at it. Wasnt a punch thrown, certainly no-one was felled. Was about final whistle time and a clip on social media does not at all reflect what was an excellent fair hard hitting game... unfortunately boys with their mobile phones dont show the great fielding by both teams, scores and passages of play...
Much ado about nothing the so-called mellee
I was at the game and I was about ten yards from the major flare up. What started the melee was what to me resembled a frenzied and uncontrolled attack by one player, with multile punches thrown to the head of an opposition player, who was on his knees.
Now, would you care to revisit your statement whch reads 'Wasnt a punch thrown'?
Ok who did you see throwing the punches? It's hardly a secret?
Well if it's hardly a secret, you tell us.
Definitely punches thrown in the video on Facebook
Link?
Quote from: Beffs on October 01, 2017, 11:11:21 PM
Link?
If you're on Facebook go to Tommy French Sports Betting or just search Cross Maghery.
Looks like tight lads from Cross lads ably assisted by supporters cornering a Maghery fella(s) against the wire. Cowardly stuff.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 01, 2017, 11:33:07 PM
Quote from: Beffs on October 01, 2017, 11:11:21 PM
Link?
If you're on Facebook go to Tommy French Sports Betting or just search Cross Maghery.
Looks like tight lads from Cross lads ably assisted by supporters cornering a Maghery fella(s) against the wire. Cowardly stuff. hi
Shocking stuff. Any.supporter who jumps the fence to get involved in a fight should be named and shamed. Absolute scum.
Quote from: under the bar on October 01, 2017, 11:46:53 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 01, 2017, 11:33:07 PM
Quote from: Beffs on October 01, 2017, 11:11:21 PM
Link?
If you're on Facebook go to Tommy French Sports Betting or just search Cross Maghery.
Looks like tight lads from Cross lads ably assisted by supporters cornering a Maghery fella(s) against the wire. Cowardly stuff. hi
Shocking stuff. Any.supporter who jumps the fence to get involved in a fight should be named and shamed. Absolute scum.
I love the Harps, have always loved the Harps, that said I was full of admiration for Cross and hoped year on year after the won the county final they would win the AI club final, I watched their exploits on the internet and pulled for them all the way.
I have seen them six times since I came home a year and a half ago, I have listened to their fans and I have seen the classless way they behave against both the Harps and especially the Ogs, they behave like animals at times, I no longer pull for cross, I want the f**kers to lose every time they take the field and I am delighted maghery took them to the woodshed again.
Even their coaches at the U12-U14 act like idiots, I watched them playing the Harps and we beat them by over 20 points the first underage game I went to when I got back, the coaches were coming on to the field and acting the maggot even when they were completely outclassed! f**k crossmaglen
Hopefully this years county final will be a clean one, one thing is for sure, we are all better off without Crossmaglen Rangers being part of the spectacle.
I know.Even 25 years ago they were raping smaller clubs by taking the likes of Joey Cunningham from Forkhill.
Quote from: T Fearon on October 02, 2017, 06:37:27 AM
I know.Even 25 years ago they were raping smaller clubs by taking the likes of Joey Cunningham from Forkhill.
Raping. Lovely choice of words there Tony
Quote from: stew on October 01, 2017, 11:56:58 PM
Quote from: under the bar on October 01, 2017, 11:46:53 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 01, 2017, 11:33:07 PM
Quote from: Beffs on October 01, 2017, 11:11:21 PM
Link?
If you're on Facebook go to Tommy French Sports Betting or just search Cross Maghery.
Looks like tight lads from Cross lads ably assisted by supporters cornering a Maghery fella(s) against the wire. Cowardly stuff. hi
Shocking stuff. Any.supporter who jumps the fence to get involved in a fight should be named and shamed. Absolute scum.
I love the Harps, have always loved the Harps, that said I was full of admiration for Cross and hoped year on year after the won the county final they would win the AI club final, I watched their exploits on the internet and pulled for them all the way.
I have seen them six times since I came home a year and a half ago, I have listened to their fans and I have seen the classless way they behave against both the Harps and especially the Ogs, they behave like animals at times, I no longer pull for cross, I want the f**kers to lose every time they take the field and I am delighted maghery took them to the woodshed again.
Even their coaches at the U12-U14 act like idiots, I watched them playing the Harps and we beat them by over 20 points the first underage game I went to when I got back, the coaches were coming on to the field and acting the maggot even when they were completely outclassed! f**k crossmaglen
Hopefully this years county final will be a clean one, one thing is for sure, we are all better off without Crossmaglen Rangers being part of the spectacle.
And their supporters, and not just football, they are complete tramps at underage camogie also. As you say hopefully they win f**k all in the near future, absolute tramps the lot of them.
Armagh can't be successful without club unity. It may be great fun venting about Cross but it is pointless. Successful counties do not engage in nihilism. Weak counties do. All the time.
https://youtu.be/elzLZ-eYeBI
All Armagh clubs will sign a No Nihilism pact,before cutting seven shades of the brown stuff out of each other as usual,same all every other county
You know what lads I'm sick of this. There was stuff that happened the other night that shouldn't but some of you lads would want to have a look on the mirror. There are things that I know that will come out in the light of day that will maybe have a few of you questioning who did what.
Stew as the Crossmaglen u12 coach I take great offence by your comments. I have been at many underage games at many levels this year and have seen none of what you describe from any of our coaches. What I have seen is one coach from an u12 team call one of my players nothing but a wee shit and the same man called one of his own players a useless bastard. I have been commended by all and sundry at how well mannered and well behaved our lads are. Like in all groups there are one or two that are more difficult to handle than others. It sickens me when hurlers on the ditch like yourself pass judgement and have absolutely no idea what goes on.
This is my last word on this, we did wrong the other night as did some of the Maghery players. As did the maghery fans who tried to pull one of our players over the fence when he was trying to pull men off a Cross player. Like I said a lot more will come out in the wash. I have been following football for many years and my first experience of fans coming into the field to get involved in a fight was when I played an u16 game in the Abbey Park and a man came onto the field and struck me. Those without sin.
And as for you Tony you are a bottom feeding guttersnipe who piggy backs on other people's success and loves other people's failures. You sit there and criticise but apart from filling in a Spot the Ball competition every so often you wouldn't even know what it is like to go to a Tir Na nOg underage game to support your own club. You are scum and that is bout the height of it, symptomatic of all of your ilk who defend the indefensible and then pass judgement on everyone else. You're a perfect voice box for the Catholic Church that you adore. Scum
I expect nothing better from an arrogant and "entitled" Crossmaglen official,embittered by defeat,than gratuitous insults.Sad
You said how our club rapes other clubs? How dare you use that terminology....it's not your heroic church we are talking about here. You are scum. We were beaten by the better team in the night. End of story. There was a fight. The supporters who went onto the field actually were breaking up fights as reported by the Irish News today. Two of the names that were mentioned were actually pulling there own family members away from things that were happening and they themselves were hit. Maghery deserved their win and that is that. 'Entitled'? All we are entitled to is fair play and not to be attacked by keyboard warriors like you.
Why are you giving them what they want BC1?
I have no love for Crossmaglen but at the same time....Those without sin
f**k sake lads this is crazy. Stew that comment you made is absolutely shocking. Tony, I expect no better from you. You're a shite stirrer and a waste of pixels on a screen. Of course stew will be along to tell us how great you are at winding people up, but sure it's easy to do. Only an amadán would derive pleasure from it.
Mental stuff.
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 02, 2017, 10:28:46 AM
f**k sake lads this is crazy. Stew that comment you made is absolutely shocking. Tony, I expect no better from you. You're a shite stirrer and a waste of pixels on a screen. Of course stew will be along to tell us how great you are at winding people up, but sure it's easy to do. Only an amadán would derive pleasure from it.
Mental stuff.
Yes. TF and Stew should calm down. BC won the argument
Did anyone get hit with a handbag? Any freaks with 9 foot long arms?
Quote from: Syferus on October 02, 2017, 10:26:03 AM
Why are you giving them what they want BC1?
You know me Syf, I won't back down when it comes to my own. There's a few on this board who actually put the hard yards in on football fields as players and coaches and I get sick of armchair people who think they have the right to cut the tripe out of family and friends of mine by making scandalous comments. I will be on a football field twice this week even though the kids seasons is over just so that young lads have something better to face in life than sitting in front of a screen playing Xbox. I'm passionate about my club. I have never condoned what happened in terms of the fight starting but as someone who has personal experiences with some of the ones involved in the starting of the fight from the other night I know that there was one person involved who wasn't wearing black and amber who has a history of being involved in sly punches and false slaps. You reap what you sow and you get back what you give out. Life has a funny way in seeing things. People who revel in others pain and suffering have something missing in their lives. It's pathetic really....
Referring to another Gael as scum is not what I understand the GAA to be about.It is sad to see Crossmaglen unable to accept their decline with dignity.
Fair play to you bc1 ....agree with everything you said there apart from stew being a hurler ;)
Quote from: T Fearon on October 02, 2017, 11:13:24 AM
Referring to another Gael as scum is not what I understand the GAA to be about.It is sad to see Crossmaglen unable to accept their decline with dignity.
See you next season Tony. Trust me....away off with your rape talk somewhere else. And as for you being a fellow Gael...a Gael would suggest that you have done or still do something of note for our great sport. Getting free tickets off the Bank to all Ireland finals doesn't make you a Gael. Pull on a tracksuit and go and do something for TNN .... if you can fit it in with your hero worship of other people's achievements. It must be sad that you've done nothing worthwhile yourself and coat tail on others success...real Gael you are
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 02, 2017, 11:20:12 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on October 02, 2017, 11:13:24 AM
Referring to another Gael as scum is not what I understand the GAA to be about.It is sad to see Crossmaglen unable to accept their decline with dignity.
See you next season Tony. Trust me....away off with your rape talk somewhere else. And as for you being a fellow Gael...a Gael would suggest that you have done or still do something of note for our great sport. Getting free tickets off the Bank to all Ireland finals doesn't make you a Gael. Pull on a tracksuit and go and do something for TNN .... if you can fit it in with your hero worship of other people's achievements. It must be sad that you've done nothing worthwhile yourself and coat tail on others success...real Gael you are
100%
Ah no, he's a great WUM ::) ::) ::) ::)
Good man BC1, I fully support you here. Unfortunately the world is full of fuckwits who declare themselves as authorities on things when they haven't an iota. Unfortunately they all have a voice and a platform the same as anyone else.
I know how it feels when your club loses (unlike you, most of us get it every year!) and it seems with the dominance ye have had there is no shortage of pond life queuing up to have a kick when ye are down. Even though you know it's shite it's salt in the wound especially from people who haven't a clue. They don't matter, I know you know that.
For yours and everyone else's information, I have been a season ticket holder since the scheme started nearly 10 years ago,did my bit for my club way back in the 70s and 80s etc,including serving as secretary,before most of you could gurgle.I take exception to being referred to as scum.
I have a dislike of the arrogance of the Crossmaglen club.Last year, perhaps Crossmaglen's best known player ever,dismissed my club as non entities before they played mighty Crossmaglen in the first round of the Championship.The shenanigans at the end of the game on Saturday is further evidence of the arrogance and sense of entitlement that Crossmaglen display in Armagh competitions,as if they should be a warm up for their perceived annual assault on Ulster and All Ireland titles.A little bit of grace in defeat and humility would serve them better rather than temper fits and referring to other people as scum.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 02, 2017, 09:11:48 AM
You know what lads I'm sick of this. There was stuff that happened the other night that shouldn't but some of you lads would want to have a look on the mirror. There are things that I know that will come out in the light of day that will maybe have a few of you questioning who did what.
Stew as the Crossmaglen u12 coach I take great offence by your comments. I have been at many underage games at many levels this year and have seen none of what you describe from any of our coaches. What I have seen is one coach from an u12 team call one of my players nothing but a wee shit and the same man called one of his own players a useless b**tard. I have been commended by all and sundry at how well mannered and well behaved our lads are. Like in all groups there are one or two that are more difficult to handle than others. It sickens me when hurlers on the ditch like yourself pass judgement and have absolutely no idea what goes on.
This is my last word on this, we did wrong the other night as did some of the Maghery players. As did the maghery fans who tried to pull one of our players over the fence when he was trying to pull men off a Cross player. Like I said a lot more will come out in the wash. I have been following football for many years and my first experience of fans coming into the field to get involved in a fight was when I played an u16 game in the Abbey Park and a man came onto the field and struck me. Those without sin.
And as for you Tony you are a bottom feeding guttersnipe who piggy backs on other people's success and loves other people's failures. You sit there and criticise but apart from filling in a Spot the Ball competition every so often you wouldn't even know what it is like to go to a Tir Na nOg underage game to support your own club. You are scum and that is bout the height of it, symptomatic of all of your ilk who defend the indefensible and then pass judgement on everyone else. You're a perfect voice box for the Catholic Church that you adore. Scum
Your coaches came on to the field in Abbey park in 2016, I saw it with my own eyes BC, all I am saying is that I got my eyes opened on Cross, who I held to a higher standard since i got back, if you were a coach in 2016 you know what happened as well as I do.
Ss for Tonys use of the word rape? Disgusting, pilfered, stolen yes, rape...........................Absolutely not!
Tony is Tir Na Nog isn't he? They would know all about mass brawls and fans invading the pitch
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 02, 2017, 01:18:01 PM
Tony is Tir Na Nog isn't he? They would know all about mass brawls and fans invading the pitch
Lock the gates and don't let them out....that happened at least once during my playing career.
Quote from: T Fearon on October 02, 2017, 11:13:24 AM
Referring to another Gael as scum is not what I understand the GAA to be about.It is sad to see Crossmaglen unable to accept their decline with dignity.
Yet saying one club raped another is acceptable.
What about the people calling cross scum? Is it acceptable if it's directed at a certain club but not others
Tony Fearon's schick is hilarious. He resorts to the lowest language in viciously attacking his pet hates and then comes over all innocent and offended when he gets insults back in return.
I don't refer to other posters,or indeed individuals as scum.I dislike this word.I condemned Crossmaglen's arrogance,disrespect,and sense of entitlement and inability to accept defeat graciously.
Quote from: T Fearon on October 02, 2017, 01:37:31 PM
I don't refer to other posters,or indeed individuals as scum.I dislike this word.I condemned Crossmaglen's arrogance,disrespect,and sense of entitlement and inability to accept defeat graciously.
Big deal. You are vicious and your attacks are personal
expect nothing better from an arrogant and "entitled" Crossmaglen official,embittered by defeat,than gratuitous insults.Sad
BC was right
Those are not personal attacks but a reference to the mindset of a Crossmaglen clubman.You note I didn't call him scum or any other personal slur
You called him bitter, entitled and arrogant. You've accused the club of 'raping' other clubs. You've made other disparaging comments about the club.
This is better than the Kinahans against the Hutchs.
The main positive to take out of the Cross defeat is the hope that Joe Brolly might cease making his silly references to Crossmaglen's brilliant football in every other article. Back to the St Brigids under 16's now then.
Arrogant they may be but at least they have something to be arrogant about
I wonder if Fearon would have had a few pound on Maghery ::)
Of course I did! They were priced at 5/2.I will still have a friendly conversation with BC if I meet him,as I've done in the past.I am not one to bear grudges.
Quote from: T Fearon on October 02, 2017, 12:12:19 PM
I have a dislike of the arrogance of the Crossmaglen club.Last year, perhaps Crossmaglen's best known player ever,dismissed my club as non entities before they played mighty Crossmaglen in the first round of the Championship.
But you showed them the truth on the field of play, Crossmaglen 6-21 Tír na nÓg 0-8.
Maghery don't post complaining about who said what, they speak for themselves.
Quote from: yellowcard on October 02, 2017, 01:53:23 PM
The main positive to take out of the Cross defeat is the hope that Joe Brolly might cease making his silly references to Crossmaglen's brilliant football in every other article. Back to the St Brigids under 16's now then.
Cross played a more attractive brand of football than the hand passing dirges we often see, and I'm sure Brolly will continue to talk about it even if the present team lack the personnel to implement this strategy.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 02, 2017, 09:11:48 AM
You know what lads I'm sick of this. There was stuff that happened the other night that shouldn't but some of you lads would want to have a look on the mirror. There are things that I know that will come out in the light of day that will maybe have a few of you questioning who did what.
Stew as the Crossmaglen u12 coach I take great offence by your comments. I have been at many underage games at many levels this year and have seen none of what you describe from any of our coaches. What I have seen is one coach from an u12 team call one of my players nothing but a wee shit and the same man called one of his own players a useless b**tard. I have been commended by all and sundry at how well mannered and well behaved our lads are. Like in all groups there are one or two that are more difficult to handle than others. It sickens me when hurlers on the ditch like yourself pass judgement and have absolutely no idea what goes on.
This is my last word on this, we did wrong the other night as did some of the Maghery players. As did the maghery fans who tried to pull one of our players over the fence when he was trying to pull men off a Cross player. Like I said a lot more will come out in the wash. I have been following football for many years and my first experience of fans coming into the field to get involved in a fight was when I played an u16 game in the Abbey Park and a man came onto the field and struck me. Those without sin.
And as for you Tony you are a bottom feeding guttersnipe who piggy backs on other people's success and loves other people's failures. You sit there and criticise but apart from filling in a Spot the Ball competition every so often you wouldn't even know what it is like to go to a Tir Na nOg underage game to support your own club. You are scum and that is bout the height of it, symptomatic of all of your ilk who defend the indefensible and then pass judgement on everyone else. You're a perfect voice box for the Catholic Church that you adore. Scum
Walk out BCB!!
Think a few people on here could do with winding their necks in. Every club has supporters that are idiots. Every club has coaches and mentors that are idiots and every club has players that are idiots. It doesn't necessarily follow, but the bigger the club, the greater the likelihood that there will be a few more idiots. It's in no way acceptable to tar an entire club and community with one brush based on the actions of a few.
Can you imagine stew up the line? :o
Is it safe to enter yet? :o
(http://www.anphoblacht.com/files/old-images/2007/03/22/Crossmaglen-Chopper-Crash.jpg)
Quote from: T Fearon on October 02, 2017, 02:29:58 PM
Of course I did! They were priced at 5/2.I will still have a friendly conversation with BC if I meet him,as I've done in the past.I am not one to bear grudges.
Lol...BCB will introduce you to his friend "Pain" FFS get of your knee's Tony and stop backtracking :) :)
I am not back tracking.My views of the Crossmaglen club are not good,but I don't bear any grudges.
Quote from: T Fearon on October 02, 2017, 12:12:19 PM
For yours and everyone else's information, I have been a season ticket holder since the scheme started nearly 10 years ago,did my bit for my club way back in the 70s and 80s etc,including serving as secretary,before most of you could gurgle.I take exception to being referred to as scum.
I have a dislike of the arrogance of the Crossmaglen club.Last year, perhaps Crossmaglen's best known player ever,dismissed my club as non entities before they played mighty Crossmaglen in the first round of the Championship.The shenanigans at the end of the game on Saturday is further evidence of the arrogance and sense of entitlement that Crossmaglen display in Armagh competitions,as if they should be a warm up for their perceived annual assault on Ulster and All Ireland titles.A little bit of grace in defeat and humility would serve them better rather than temper fits and referring to other people as scum.
Do you see any irony in this post seeing as you haven't shown any grace at all?
You really are a danger to yourself posting all this crap. You will get yourself in trouble one of these days.
Quote from: T Fearon on October 02, 2017, 02:29:58 PM
Of course I did! They were priced at 5/2.I will still have a friendly conversation with BC if I meet him,as I've done in the past.I am not one to bear grudges.
Ye reckon Tony? Turn the other cheek? How Christian of you...
Quote from: theskull1 on October 02, 2017, 04:42:29 PM
Can you imagine stew up the line? :o
I coached for twenty years in the states and only once in that time did I engage in a verbal disagreement with a referee.
I would certainly never try to harm a player or get involved in fighting etc as a coach, I am over 50 and have calmed down from my playing days Skull, sorry to disappoint you.
By the way, BC, I misspoke, I was going on about the 2016 U11's, this years U12's, the actual game in Abbey Park happened at the U11 level, apologies. were you involved then? If so you must remember the carry on of your sideline, it was ridiculous, especially at that age.
In the canteen at work today there were people from four clubs, not one had a good thing to say about Cross, I know they are perennial winners and that sickens people but the outstanding theme of the conversation was greatness tinged with classlessness, that's about right in my view, I hate the sight of Cross because I know whats coming if they are getting it tight!
Well the way you shoot from the hip on this forum, I struggle to understand what would make you any different up the line with a competitive team not getting the rub of the green........that is, unless you freely admit to being a keyboard warrior.
Every club has volunteers, who lets say 'misdirect their passion' and clubs should (and I'm sure Cross do) be taking those individuals aside and speaking to them. No club is immune so unless you're saying poor behaviour is not discouraged in Cross then I really have no idea why you feel the need to direct your anger to the Cross Club itself.
Shocking thread
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 03, 2017, 07:46:20 AM
Shocking thread
Kinda agree MTR2, unless of course people were coming on praising them but you can't paint the whole club with the same brush if one or two idiots are about the place. Jasus we have a few of our own who i'd love to drift out with the tide and are a complete embarrassment to the club but they always seem to get a bye ball from the committee, those two or three village idiots we have at our club do not reflect how the rest of us behave (well i hope not anyway).
We've had our own heartbreak against Cross and I never felt they were too bad, we've come up against worse, you'll get muppets for sure in every club and most off them never kicked a ball or lifted a hurl after minor... a couple of bad seasons and Cross for all their glory they have brought Armagh club football have been jumped on!
They'll be back, thats for sure
But success brings its good and bad to the club, I don't mind a bit of a wind up and I certainly have a pop at others in my county but its actually just a wind up, this though has taken on to personal attacks on board members and coaches who are on the ditch, rather that hidding behind a computer
Quote from: theskull1 on October 03, 2017, 05:41:55 AM
Well the way you shoot from the hip on this forum, I struggle to understand what would make you any different up the line with a competitive team not getting the rub of the green........that is, unless you freely admit to being a keyboard warrior.
Every club has volunteers, who lets say 'misdirect their passion' and clubs should (and I'm sure Cross do) be taking those individuals aside and speaking to them. No club is immune so unless you're saying poor behaviour is not discouraged in Cross then I really have no idea why you feel the need to direct your anger to the Cross Club itself.
I am no keyboard warrior as you know! I have posted my details here and don't give two fucks what anyone thinks about my opinions as they are my own, and I do not think people should care about mine.
When coaching I am not representing myself as much as I am my players, I I am coaching say U14 kids I better not behave in a manner that teaches them how to disrespect authority, I have no time for abusing refs and believe 99% of referees don't give a fiddlers fart who wins 100% of the time.
Quote from: stew on October 03, 2017, 10:14:14 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on October 03, 2017, 05:41:55 AM
Well the way you shoot from the hip on this forum, I struggle to understand what would make you any different up the line with a competitive team not getting the rub of the green........that is, unless you freely admit to being a keyboard warrior.
Every club has volunteers, who lets say 'misdirect their passion' and clubs should (and I'm sure Cross do) be taking those individuals aside and speaking to them. No club is immune so unless you're saying poor behaviour is not discouraged in Cross then I really have no idea why you feel the need to direct your anger to the Cross Club itself.
I am no keyboard warrior as you know! I have posted my details here and don't give two f**ks what anyone thinks about my opinions as they are my own, and I do not think people should care about mine.
When coaching I am not representing myself as much as I am my players, I I am coaching say U14 kids I better not behave in a manner that teaches them how to disrespect authority, I have no time for abusing refs and believe 99% of referees don't give a fiddlers fart who wins 100% of the time.
There was a guy from Portadown doing linesman at a game with ourselves a few years back. There was a bit of handbags going on and he runs on the pitch and hits one of our players over the head with his flag. He obviously wasn't the full shilling. Does that suggest everyone from Tir na Nog is the same? Probably not.
It's a pity that the fight overshadowed a brilliant match, one of the best in the Armagh championship in a good few years.
Quote from: Armamike on October 03, 2017, 10:26:07 AM
It's a pity that the fight overshadowed a brilliant match, one of the best in the Armagh championship in a good few years.
This is the point. This "fight" was at the final whistle, the game was not indisciplined. And the impression is given that Cross' imploded somehow, which does not really do justice to Maghery. Cross were middlin' by comparison to their pomp but were still not easily beaten.
Quote from: stew on October 01, 2017, 11:56:58 PMI have seen them six times since I came home a year and a half ago, I have listened to their fans and I have seen the classless way they behave against both the Harps and especially the Ogs, they behave like animals at times, I no longer pull for cross, I want the f**kers to lose every time they take the field and I am delighted maghery took them to the woodshed again.
Even their coaches at the U12-U14 act like idiots, I watched them playing the Harps and we beat them by over 20 points the first underage game I went to when I got back, the coaches were coming on to the field and acting the maggot even when they were completely outclassed! f**k crossmaglen
Hopefully this years county final will be a clean one, one thing is for sure, we are all better off without Crossmaglen Rangers being part of the spectacle.
Quote from: stew on October 02, 2017, 10:38:29 PM
In the canteen at work today there were people from four clubs, not one had a good thing to say about Cross, I know they are perennial winners and that sickens people but the outstanding theme of the conversation was greatness tinged with classlessness, that's about right in my view, I hate the sight of Cross because I know whats coming if they are getting it tight!
Stew, you are tarring an entire club with one brush. And do you ever read over the stuff that you post? There is a theme in your posts where the language seems to get to boiling point quickly and stays there. Can you not tone down the language? Does it have to be in the ballpark of
I hate and
F$8k them. Can you not just say, for example - '
I was very annoyed'.
There is an element as clubs where we all have to say "there but for the grace of God go I". Because we all have our share of nutjobs playing, managing and supporting clubs.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 03, 2017, 10:53:02 AM
This is the point. This "fight" was at the final whistle, the game was not indisciplined. And the impression is given that Cross' imploded somehow, which does not really do justice to Maghery. Cross were middlin' by comparison to their pomp but were still not easily beaten.
It was a hugely enjoyable game of football, and although Cross will take little comfort from it, they too played their part. It says something for them that despite the fact that they have gone back in terms of ability, they are still right there, in the top group of clubs, and are there without Jamie Clarke and a fit Tony Kernan.
It was a match I couldn't wait to see, as I wanted to get an idea of the impact that the defeat Maghery handed out in the earlier round to Cross had had on both sides. I thought it was clear that it had instilled in Maghery a self belief that they could take Cross, as when Rangers threatened a brilliant comeback (narrowing the gap from six points to one) Maghery held their nerve, played some brilliant possession football, and stretched their lead. The performances of Crealey, Lavery (who I always maintained got a raw deal from the County) and Cusack at centre half back were sensational.
For Cross, the air of invincibility that they held in Armagh has been hit big time. They were undone back in August by a terrible performance by the usually reliable Paul Hearty, who shipped three goals which ultimately cost the game. Maghery's first goal on Saturday evening also came from a high ball into the square with forwards piling in in anticipation of another mistake. They knew the weakness. Maghery's second goal was a brilliant team move.
Rangers' achievements have been the stuff of legends, and that was reflected in their dominance from 1996, but their fall has breathed much needed life into our Senior Championship. There are four or five teams who feel now they can have ambitions to take the top prize. And that can only be good for football in our County.
Quote from: APM on October 03, 2017, 11:14:36 AM
Quote from: stew on October 01, 2017, 11:56:58 PMI have seen them six times since I came home a year and a half ago, I have listened to their fans and I have seen the classless way they behave against both the Harps and especially the Ogs, they behave like animals at times, I no longer pull for cross, I want the f**kers to lose every time they take the field and I am delighted maghery took them to the woodshed again.
Even their coaches at the U12-U14 act like idiots, I watched them playing the Harps and we beat them by over 20 points the first underage game I went to when I got back, the coaches were coming on to the field and acting the maggot even when they were completely outclassed! f**k crossmaglen
Hopefully this years county final will be a clean one, one thing is for sure, we are all better off without Crossmaglen Rangers being part of the spectacle.
Quote from: stew on October 02, 2017, 10:38:29 PM
In the canteen at work today there were people from four clubs, not one had a good thing to say about Cross, I know they are perennial winners and that sickens people but the outstanding theme of the conversation was greatness tinged with classlessness, that's about right in my view, I hate the sight of Cross because I know whats coming if they are getting it tight!
Stew, you are tarring an entire club with one brush. And do you ever read over the stuff that you post? There is a theme in your posts where the language seems to get to boiling point quickly and stays there. Can you not tone down the language? Does it have to be in the ballpark of I hate and F$8k them. Can you not just say, for example - 'I was very annoyed'.
There is an element as clubs where we all have to say "there but for the grace of God go I". Because we all have our share of nutjobs playing, managing and supporting clubs.
I suppose I could soften the language a bit in this instance, I have went from respecting the hell out of Cross and being very proud that they are from Armagh to disliking them intensely for their behaviour both on and off the field, I have watched them play the Ogs twice and both times they acted like thugs to the point I wanted the Ogs to win! The f**king Ogs! I do hate them for that, I never pulled for the Ogs in my life, so thanks for that Crossmaglen!
It just seems to me that I could pick say 3 random games a season to go watch them and there would be a lot of controversy attached to that game, that I do not like, I admire their success and up until 2016 I pulled for them once Armagh was inevitably won, I simply do not do that anymore, I hope they have many years now in obscurity, they wont but one can hope, no longer an admirer.
Quote from: yellowcard on October 02, 2017, 01:53:23 PM
The main positive to take out of the Cross defeat is the hope that Joe Brolly might cease making his silly references to Crossmaglen's brilliant football in every other article. Back to the St Brigids under 16's now then.
Hear hear! He's Keyser Sose'd Cross for long enuf!
Quote from: bennydorano on October 03, 2017, 01:16:27 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 02, 2017, 01:53:23 PM
The main positive to take out of the Cross defeat is the hope that Joe Brolly might cease making his silly references to Crossmaglen's brilliant football in every other article. Back to the St Brigids under 16's now then.
Hear hear! He's Keyser Sose'd Cross for long enuf!
No doubt that when some other Armagh club does something of national importance in some style, he'll laud them also. Away you go Harps.
Quote from: stew on October 03, 2017, 12:05:09 PM
Quote from: APM on October 03, 2017, 11:14:36 AM
Quote from: stew on October 01, 2017, 11:56:58 PMI have seen them six times since I came home a year and a half ago, I have listened to their fans and I have seen the classless way they behave against both the Harps and especially the Ogs, they behave like animals at times, I no longer pull for cross, I want the f**kers to lose every time they take the field and I am delighted maghery took them to the woodshed again.
Even their coaches at the U12-U14 act like idiots, I watched them playing the Harps and we beat them by over 20 points the first underage game I went to when I got back, the coaches were coming on to the field and acting the maggot even when they were completely outclassed! f**k crossmaglen
Hopefully this years county final will be a clean one, one thing is for sure, we are all better off without Crossmaglen Rangers being part of the spectacle.
Quote from: stew on October 02, 2017, 10:38:29 PM
In the canteen at work today there were people from four clubs, not one had a good thing to say about Cross, I know they are perennial winners and that sickens people but the outstanding theme of the conversation was greatness tinged with classlessness, that's about right in my view, I hate the sight of Cross because I know whats coming if they are getting it tight!
Stew, you are tarring an entire club with one brush. And do you ever read over the stuff that you post? There is a theme in your posts where the language seems to get to boiling point quickly and stays there. Can you not tone down the language? Does it have to be in the ballpark of I hate and F$8k them. Can you not just say, for example - 'I was very annoyed'.
There is an element as clubs where we all have to say "there but for the grace of God go I". Because we all have our share of nutjobs playing, managing and supporting clubs.
I suppose I could soften the language a bit in this instance, I have went from respecting the hell out of Cross and being very proud that they are from Armagh to disliking them intensely for their behaviour both on and off the field, I have watched them play the Ogs twice and both times they acted like thugs to the point I wanted the Ogs to win! The f**king Ogs! I do hate them for that, I never pulled for the Ogs in my life, so thanks for that Crossmaglen!
It just seems to me that I could pick say 3 random games a season to go watch them and there would be a lot of controversy attached to that game, that I do not like, I admire their success and up until 2016 I pulled for them once Armagh was inevitably won, I simply do not do that anymore, I hope they have many years now in obscurity, they wont but one can hope, no longer an admirer.
Ive only seen Cross once - their defeat in Lurgan a few weeks back against CE - but I have to say their players and fans were grand that day. No hostility or anything like that. The opposite actually
Does the Armagh Championship have a double knockout feature? How'd Maghery beat them
Twice?
Quote from: Puckoon on October 03, 2017, 02:01:15 PM
Does the Armagh Championship have a double knockout feature? How'd Maghery beat them
Twice?
it might be champions league style
Might be an idea for the mods to close this thread? Obviously the originator won't have the decency to do it.
Quote from: Puckoon on October 03, 2017, 02:01:15 PM
Does the Armagh Championship have a double knockout feature? How'd Maghery beat them
Twice?
Presumably a backdoor system of some kind.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 01, 2017, 12:16:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 01, 2017, 12:06:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 01, 2017, 10:05:19 AM
Armagh section for this local squabble please.
If Cross are only human the Dubs 1000 year Reich is banjaxed. Kildare should stop whinging.
1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015
The Dubs have only won 5...
It's all over .... sure we know that. We only won the u16 championship this year and would give the u21s a fair rattle as we are favourites. Minors lost to very strong favourites Clann Eireann by 1 in yesterday's final with only 5 overage next season. We will be alright. We will win more senior championships in the next ten years than we will lose I reckon.
Thats an exceptional Clann Eireann team that have been dominating from they were under 12.
Quote from: Puckoon on October 03, 2017, 02:01:15 PM
Does the Armagh Championship have a double knockout feature? How'd Maghery beat them
Twice?
We have sixteen teams in the Senior Championship (the Championships are aligned to the league).
Round one is eight matches, with the winners progressing to round 2. The four winners in round 2 go through to the quarter-finals and cannot play each other at the quarter-final stage.
The losing eight teams in round one go into the back-door system. The four matches produce four winners who go on to the second round of qualifiers. They cannot play each other at that round. These four teams then are drawn to play the four losing teams from round 2. The winners of these four matches go on to play the undefeated quarter-finalists.
With such relatively small numbers, rematches are not uncommon. We beat St Patricks in round 2 and then faced them again in the quarter-final. Maghery beat Crossmaglen Rangers in Round 2 and then met them again in the semi-finals.
The system is only in place four years and it is fair to say it needs looked at. There is a possibility that it could be done away with totally.
Quote from: Puckoon on October 03, 2017, 02:01:15 PM
Does the Armagh Championship have a double knockout feature? How'd Maghery beat them
Twice?
it is a special concession to Cross arrogance, negotiated by Joe Kernan himself, that you have to beat them twice otherwise it doesn't count.
This will be changed to 3 times for next year.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on October 03, 2017, 02:40:51 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on October 03, 2017, 02:01:15 PM
Does the Armagh Championship have a double knockout feature? How'd Maghery beat them
Twice?
We have sixteen teams in the Senior Championship (the Championships are aligned to the league).
Round one is eight matches, with the winners progressing to round 2. The four winners in round 2 go through to the quarter-finals and cannot play each other at the quarter-final stage.
The losing eight teams in round one go into the back-door system. The four matches produce four winners who go on to the second round of qualifiers. They cannot play each other at that round. These four teams then are drawn to play the four losing teams from round 2. The winners of these four matches go on to play the undefeated quarter-finalists.
With such relatively small numbers, rematches are not uncommon. We beat St Patricks in round 2 and then faced them again in the quarter-final. Maghery beat Crossmaglen Rangers in Round 2 and then met them again in the semi-finals.
The system is only in place four years and it is fair to say it needs looked at. There is a possibility that it could be done away with totally.
Thanks Rufus. We've only 16 in Senior as well, but it's still a straight knockout in Tyrone. Was this voted in by clubs or just rolled out by CB?
Will there be any retirements in Cross this year? Have they a replacement for big hearty?
Quote from: Puckoon on October 03, 2017, 03:15:47 PM
Thanks Rufus. We've only 16 in Senior as well, but it's still a straight knockout in Tyrone. Was this voted in by clubs or just rolled out by CB?
To be fair, it was voted in by the Clubs. I recall the night it was debated. I actually stood up and made reference to Rangers' dominance and the fact that they would now get a second chance which would likely underline their dominance and do little for the appeal of the Championship, but the Junior and Intermediate Clubs were persuaded and it was voted in by a comfortable majority.
I get a sense though that there is an increasing groundswell of opinion that would like to see it removed.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on October 03, 2017, 03:31:12 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on October 03, 2017, 03:15:47 PM
Thanks Rufus. We've only 16 in Senior as well, but it's still a straight knockout in Tyrone. Was this voted in by clubs or just rolled out by CB?
To be fair, it was voted in by the Clubs. I recall the night it was debated. I actually stood up and made reference to Rangers' dominance and the fact that they would now get a second chance which would likely underline their dominance and do little for the appeal of the Championship, but the Junior and Intermediate Clubs were persuaded and it was voted in by a comfortable majority.
I get a sense though that there is an increasing groundswell of opinion that would like to see it removed.
There seems to be a shift away from the back door again and back to straight knockout we had it in Derry this year for the first time in a lot of years.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 03, 2017, 01:16:27 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 02, 2017, 01:53:23 PM
The main positive to take out of the Cross defeat is the hope that Joe Brolly might cease making his silly references to Crossmaglen's brilliant football in every other article. Back to the St Brigids under 16's now then.
Hear hear! He's Keyser Sose'd Cross for long enuf!
Here wtf Dorano, you're messin with the wrong guy!! ;D
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 02, 2017, 10:40:42 AM
Did anyone get hit with a handbag? Any freaks with 9 foot long arms?
What the fcuk are you getting at, you bottom-feeding guttersnipe?
Quote from: ONeill on October 03, 2017, 04:21:05 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 02, 2017, 10:40:42 AM
Did anyone get hit with a handbag? Any freaks with 9 foot long arms?
What the fcuk are you getting at, you bottom-feeding guttersnipe?
:)
Quote from: screenexile on October 03, 2017, 03:38:29 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on October 03, 2017, 03:31:12 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on October 03, 2017, 03:15:47 PM
Thanks Rufus. We've only 16 in Senior as well, but it's still a straight knockout in Tyrone. Was this voted in by clubs or just rolled out by CB?
To be fair, it was voted in by the Clubs. I recall the night it was debated. I actually stood up and made reference to Rangers' dominance and the fact that they would now get a second chance which would likely underline their dominance and do little for the appeal of the Championship, but the Junior and Intermediate Clubs were persuaded and it was voted in by a comfortable majority.
I get a sense though that there is an increasing groundswell of opinion that would like to see it removed.
There seems to be a shift away from the back door again and back to straight knockout we had it in Derry this year for the first time in a lot of years.
In its 2nd year now SE.
Quote from: general_lee on October 03, 2017, 03:16:20 PM
Will there be any retirements in Cross this year? Have they a replacement for big hearty?
Surely that should have been a priority before now, goalkeeping has been an issue for a few years.
I see Hearty has announced his retirement
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 03, 2017, 08:04:53 PM
I see Hearty has announced his retirement
Maybe someone might correct me, but I'd reckon the most decorated Club player in the history of the GAA.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on October 03, 2017, 08:08:48 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 03, 2017, 08:04:53 PM
I see Hearty has announced his retirement
Maybe someone might correct me, but I'd reckon the most decorated Club player in the history of the GAA.
Was he as good a keeper as you though Rufus? 8)
Quote from: Throw ball on October 03, 2017, 08:11:31 PM
Was he as good a keeper as you though Rufus? 8)
Maybe!! :P
How many Cross players were on the 02 team and where did the others come from?
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on October 03, 2017, 08:08:48 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 03, 2017, 08:04:53 PM
I see Hearty has announced his retirement
Maybe someone might correct me, but I'd reckon the most decorated Club player in the history of the GAA.
36 championship medals? Countless league medals too. Unreal. I always got the feeling Paul was hanging around for his 20th Armagh championship to round things off.
Quote from: seafoid on October 03, 2017, 08:45:40 PM
How many Cross players were on the 02 team and where did the others come from?
I assume you mean the Armagh team.
3 Cross players started the final - Bellew McEntee and McConville. Tony McEntee came on and Donaldson was also a sub. Think that was it.
Mullabawn had 4 players who played or did play for them on starting 15. McNultys Tierney and Geezer. The rest of the team had 2 from Ballyhegan and one each from Dromintee Tir na nog Keady Clann na Gael Pearse Ogs and Killeavy.
Quote from: Armamike on October 03, 2017, 08:54:36 PM
I always got the feeling Paul was hanging around for his 20th Armagh championship to round things off.
That's the sense I got too Mike.
Quote from: Throw ball on October 03, 2017, 09:06:40 PM
3 Cross players started the final - Bellew McEntee and McConville. Tony McEntee came on and Donaldson was also a sub. Think that was it.
Was Cathal Short a sub?
He may well have been. Was definitely on squad at some stage around then.
Has the Armagh forum being closed? Or under construction?
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2017, 09:32:47 PM
Has the Armagh forum being closed? Or under construction?
says it's closed. hope it is temporary
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 03, 2017, 09:34:15 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2017, 09:32:47 PM
Has the Armagh forum being closed? Or under construction?
says it's closed. hope it is temporary
I'm banned in any case, I suggested that the street corners in Armagh had persons experienced in coin tossing. :(
Quote from: armaghniac on October 03, 2017, 09:41:00 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 03, 2017, 09:34:15 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2017, 09:32:47 PM
Has the Armagh forum being closed? Or under construction?
says it's closed. hope it is temporary
I'm banned in any case, I suggested that the street corners in Armagh had persons experienced in coin tossing. :(
Tossers :P
Quote from: illdecide on October 03, 2017, 09:54:45 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 03, 2017, 09:41:00 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 03, 2017, 09:34:15 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2017, 09:32:47 PM
Has the Armagh forum being closed? Or under construction?
says it's closed. hope it is temporary
I'm banned in any case, I suggested that the street corners in Armagh had persons experienced in coin tossing. :(
t**sers :P
Exactly.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 03, 2017, 09:41:00 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 03, 2017, 09:34:15 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2017, 09:32:47 PM
Has the Armagh forum being closed? Or under construction?
says it's closed. hope it is temporary
I'm banned in any case, I suggested that the street corners in Armagh had persons experienced in coin tossing. :(
Such insights were a big miss. Always felt the forum lost something after your departure.
I'm innocent your honour. Have been asked if I got it closed😂
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 03, 2017, 11:22:32 PM
I'm innocent your honour. Have been asked if I got it closed😂
Based on absolutely no facts whatsoever (therefore protecting the integrity, consistency and balance of this thread 😂😂😂)the only possible logical conclusion is that bcb and the rest of those crossmaglen lads got the Armagh forum closed!!😚😚guilty as charged bcb!
Hearty retires
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/crossmaglen-rangers-keeper-paul-hearty-brings-the-curtain-down-on-his-trophyladen-career-36193894.html
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on October 03, 2017, 10:29:13 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 03, 2017, 09:41:00 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 03, 2017, 09:34:15 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2017, 09:32:47 PM
Has the Armagh forum being closed? Or under construction?
says it's closed. hope it is temporary
I'm banned in any case, I suggested that the street corners in Armagh had persons experienced in coin tossing. :(
Such insights were a big miss. Always felt the forum lost something after your departure.
Fortunately, GAABoard are more willing to put up with me. So far.
Quote from: Throw ball on October 03, 2017, 09:06:40 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 03, 2017, 08:45:40 PM
How many Cross players were on the 02 team and where did the others come from?
I assume you mean the Armagh team.
3 Cross players started the final - Bellew McEntee and McConville. Tony McEntee came on and Donaldson was also a sub. Think that was it.
Mullabawn had 4 players who played or did play for them on starting 15. McNultys Tierney and Geezer. The rest of the team had 2 from Ballyhegan and one each from Dromintee Tir na nog Keady Clann na Gael Pearse Ogs and Killeavy.
GRMA
Quote from: armaghniac on October 04, 2017, 12:33:01 AM
Hearty retires
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/crossmaglen-rangers-keeper-paul-hearty-brings-the-curtain-down-on-his-trophyladen-career-36193894.html
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on October 03, 2017, 10:29:13 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 03, 2017, 09:41:00 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 03, 2017, 09:34:15 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2017, 09:32:47 PM
Has the Armagh forum being closed? Or under construction?
says it's closed. hope it is temporary
I'm banned in any case, I suggested that the street corners in Armagh had persons experienced in coin tossing. :(
Such insights were a big miss. Always felt the forum lost something after your departure.
Fortunately, GAABoard are more willing to put up with me. So far.
It's tremendously difficult to get banned here which, despite the aggravation caused by a small few, is probably the right way to have it.
Quote from: seafoid on October 04, 2017, 07:41:18 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on October 03, 2017, 09:06:40 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 03, 2017, 08:45:40 PM
How many Cross players were on the 02 team and where did the others come from?
I assume you mean the Armagh team.
3 Cross players started the final - Bellew McEntee and McConville. Tony McEntee came on and Donaldson was also a sub. Think that was it.
Mullabawn had 4 players who played or did play for them on starting 15. McNultys Tierney and Geezer. The rest of the team had 2 from Ballyhegan and one each from Dromintee Tir na nog Keady Clann na Gael Pearse Ogs and Killeavy.
GRMA
There were 7 players from across on the 2002 squad, the Twins, Francie, Oisin, Hertz, John D and big colm O'Neill.
It must have been some Craic when Sam visited the clubs
Quote from: seafoid on October 04, 2017, 10:01:59 AM
It must have been some Craig when Sam visited the clubs
There's no Craig's at our club, as far as I'm aware.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 04, 2017, 10:14:25 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 04, 2017, 10:01:59 AM
It must have been some Craig when Sam visited the clubs
There's no Craig's at our club, as far as I'm aware.
is it not cross community ?
https://youtu.be/fjEkjeVzL34
Hearty had a fantastic career. He's a gent too so all the best to him.
I think you have to be a little crazy to be a goal keeper but hearty was an exception to that.
Quote from: vallankumous on October 04, 2017, 10:33:25 AM
Hearty had a fantastic career. He's a gent too so all the best to him.
I think you have to be a little crazy to be a goal keeper but hearty was an exception to that.
Yeah he was completely crazy not a little crazy😂
No doubt his milk deliveries to Dublin helped the three in a row there too
This became very civil very quickly. :P
I assume god told him to wind his neck in. Either that or the thought of meeting bcb1 has forced him into self preservation mode
Damned if I do,damned if I don't.My feelings haven't changed,and if I express them here I get abused by all and sundry
Cause its just you flimflamming Tony. People see through it
Quote from: punt kick on October 05, 2017, 08:29:55 AM
This became very civil very quickly. :P
Well you hadn't posted in a while! ;)
Quote from: T Fearon on October 05, 2017, 09:32:45 AM
Damned if I do,damned if I don't.My feelings haven't changed,and if I express them here I get abused by all and sundry
Stop talking about f**king rape and you will be fine!
Quote from: stew on October 05, 2017, 11:50:45 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on October 05, 2017, 09:32:45 AM
Damned if I do,damned if I don't.My feelings haven't changed,and if I express them here I get abused by all and sundry
Stop talking about f**king rape and you will be fine!
Not defending the indefensible Tony in any way but I think he was actually intending to use the term 'pillage/pillaging' when he made his allegation that Cross were taking players from other clubs. he most likely had it in his head that Cross were behaving like the Vikings.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on October 05, 2017, 02:41:22 PM
Quote from: stew on October 05, 2017, 11:50:45 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on October 05, 2017, 09:32:45 AM
Damned if I do,damned if I don't.My feelings haven't changed,and if I express them here I get abused by all and sundry
Stop talking about f**king rape and you will be fine!
Not defending the indefensible Tony in any way but I think he was actually intending to use the term 'pillage/pillaging' when he made his allegation that Cross were taking players from other clubs. he most likely had it in his head that Cross were behaving like the Vikings.
He knew exactly what he was doing. And he got the attention for it that he craves.
I did not mean any sexual context with the term rape,to describe Crossmaglen's plundering of smaller clubs like Forkhill,for their star players.
Quote from: T Fearon on October 05, 2017, 04:30:31 PM
I did not mean any sexual context with the term rape,to describe Crossmaglen's plundering of smaller clubs like Forkhill,for their star players.
it was Christian marriage that took Joey Cunningham to Cross and not anything else.
Not defending TF in any way but there is more than one definition of the word rape, including the context within which he used it. Anyone with even a passing grasp of the English language would know this, I suspect some posters on here deliberately chose to misinterpret his usage of it in order to have a go at him.
On the other hand [no offence to one-handed people] there are some on here who are just stupid lol
God [not saying there actually is a God] knows he provides plenty of ammunition [not in a literal sense, before anyone accuses me of supporting the NRA or any other acronymous organisation :o ] for people to have a legitimate pop at his views.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 05, 2017, 04:35:25 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on October 05, 2017, 04:30:31 PM
I did not mean any sexual context with the term rape,to describe Crossmaglen's plundering of smaller clubs like Forkhill,for their star players.
it was Christian marriage that took Joey Cunningham to Cross and not anything else.
And the rest?
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/jslattery/armagh-dealt-blow-key-player-opts-squad-2018/
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2017, 07:22:53 PM
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/jslattery/armagh-dealt-blow-key-player-opts-squad-2018/
Don't be surprised if there's one or two more....
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 05, 2017, 07:32:16 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2017, 07:22:53 PM
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/jslattery/armagh-dealt-blow-key-player-opts-squad-2018/
Don't be surprised if there's one or two more....
Not the answer I was hoping for from you. More from cross or Armagh?
Is there a pram & a child's play things about to part ways?
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2017, 07:22:53 PM
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/jslattery/armagh-dealt-blow-key-player-opts-squad-2018/
Hard to blame him really - the destruction by Tyrone and then their subsequent destruction by Dublin really showed how far off the pace Armagh are.
Combine that with being back in Division 3 and it's not as if there is all that much to look forward to next year.
Oh Jesus, not the Jamie Clarke soap opera again.
Big question is what has changed with Clarke over the last 6 weeks. He gave an extended interview with Newstalk shortly after the Kildare game where he stated how he had refound his love for football again. Now he has decided to set off for foreign soil once more. It's no secret that some of his team mates in Cross shunned him a few weeks back and his absence from the Cross team may have turned him into something of a scapegoat whereby he didn't feel welcome at home. Certainly his decision to head abroad again simply does not tally with his interview about 2 months ago. Huge blow for Armagh, he's our best player and unfortunately we may have seen the last of him as a county player.
Quote from: yellowcard on October 05, 2017, 11:29:58 PM
Big question is what has changed with Clarke over the last 6 weeks. He gave an extended interview with Newstalk shortly after the Kildare game where he stated how he had refound his love for football again. Now he has decided to set off for foreign soil once more. It's no secret that some of his team mates in Cross shunned him a few weeks back and his absence from the Cross team may have turned him into something of a scapegoat whereby he didn't feel welcome at home. Certainly his decision to head abroad again simply does not tally with his interview about 2 months ago. Huge blow for Armagh, he's our best player and unfortunately we may have seen the last of him as a county player.
Ye see that's a load at of bull...after Armagh went out he went off on a jaunt and told no one where he was. He came back and didn't come to training. He was asked what he was doing. Came to the maghery game and was pissed he didn't start. Didn't come back till he was approached by the players. Gave a commitment to go to the next game. Didn't turn up. He's gone. End of story
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 05, 2017, 08:25:39 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2017, 07:22:53 PM
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/jslattery/armagh-dealt-blow-key-player-opts-squad-2018/
Hard to blame him really - the destruction by Tyrone and then their subsequent destruction by Dublin really showed how far off the pace Armagh are.
Tyrone had an off day. Armagh are long term dung.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 05, 2017, 11:50:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 05, 2017, 11:29:58 PM
Big question is what has changed with Clarke over the last 6 weeks. He gave an extended interview with Newstalk shortly after the Kildare game where he stated how he had refound his love for football again. Now he has decided to set off for foreign soil once more. It's no secret that some of his team mates in Cross shunned him a few weeks back and his absence from the Cross team may have turned him into something of a scapegoat whereby he didn't feel welcome at home. Certainly his decision to head abroad again simply does not tally with his interview about 2 months ago. Huge blow for Armagh, he's our best player and unfortunately we may have seen the last of him as a county player.
Ye see that's a load at of bull...after Armagh went out he went off on a jaunt and told no one where he was. He came back and didn't come to training. He was asked what he was doing. Came to the maghery game and was pissed he didn't start. Didn't come back till he was approached by the players. Gave a commitment to go to the next game. Didn't turn up. He's gone. End of story
I'm not getting into the rights and wrongs about the falling out with his club since you know more than most but it appears to me that this is a part of the reason for his decision to set sail again. I can understand the frustration of club people in Cross and he is an unsettled fellow but unfortunately nobody wins in this situation. Neither Clarke his club nor his county. I've already heard that some other players will be opting out of the county squad next year already but this problem is not restricted to Armagh, it's a national issue. The demands put on some of these players for scant reward is ludicrous. Many of them will be shortly undergoing pre pre season training for a championship match that is 6 months away with little prospect of success.
Quote from: under the bar on October 05, 2017, 11:57:55 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 05, 2017, 08:25:39 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2017, 07:22:53 PM
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/jslattery/armagh-dealt-blow-key-player-opts-squad-2018/
Hard to blame him really - the destruction by Tyrone and then their subsequent destruction by Dublin really showed how far off the pace Armagh are.
Tyrone had an off day. Armagh are long term dung.
Against Dublin? Nah. That was a true reflection
Quote from: under the bar on October 05, 2017, 11:57:55 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 05, 2017, 08:25:39 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2017, 07:22:53 PM
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/jslattery/armagh-dealt-blow-key-player-opts-squad-2018/
Hard to blame him really - the destruction by Tyrone and then their subsequent destruction by Dublin really showed how far off the pace Armagh are.
Tyrone had an off day. Armagh are long term dung.
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Quote from: under the bar on October 05, 2017, 11:57:55 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 05, 2017, 08:25:39 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2017, 07:22:53 PM
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/jslattery/armagh-dealt-blow-key-player-opts-squad-2018/
Hard to blame him really - the destruction by Tyrone and then their subsequent destruction by Dublin really showed how far off the pace Armagh are.
Tyrone had an off day. Armagh are long term dung.
Deluded Tyrone fans still in denial.
Quote from: under the bar on October 05, 2017, 11:57:55 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 05, 2017, 08:25:39 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2017, 07:22:53 PM
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/jslattery/armagh-dealt-blow-key-player-opts-squad-2018/
Hard to blame him really - the destruction by Tyrone and then their subsequent destruction by Dublin really showed how far off the pace Armagh are.
Tyrone had an off day. Armagh are long term dung.
If you really think that, then maybe its your brain thats long term dung.
Quote from: under the bar on October 05, 2017, 11:57:55 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 05, 2017, 08:25:39 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2017, 07:22:53 PM
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/jslattery/armagh-dealt-blow-key-player-opts-squad-2018/
Hard to blame him really - the destruction by Tyrone and then their subsequent destruction by Dublin really showed how far off the pace Armagh are.
Tyrone had an off day. Armagh are long term dung.
Yes on another day Tyrone could have taken Dublin :)
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 05, 2017, 11:50:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 05, 2017, 11:29:58 PM
Big question is what has changed with Clarke over the last 6 weeks. He gave an extended interview with Newstalk shortly after the Kildare game where he stated how he had refound his love for football again. Now he has decided to set off for foreign soil once more. It's no secret that some of his team mates in Cross shunned him a few weeks back and his absence from the Cross team may have turned him into something of a scapegoat whereby he didn't feel welcome at home. Certainly his decision to head abroad again simply does not tally with his interview about 2 months ago. Huge blow for Armagh, he's our best player and unfortunately we may have seen the last of him as a county player.
Ye see that's a load at of bull...after Armagh went out he went off on a jaunt and told no one where he was. He came back and didn't come to training. He was asked what he was doing. Came to the maghery game and was pissed he didn't start. Didn't come back till he was approached by the players. Gave a commitment to go to the next game. Didn't turn up. He's gone. End of story
prima donnaˌpriːmə ˈdɒnə/Submit
noun
noun: prima donna; plural noun: prima donnas; noun: primadonna; plural noun: primadonnas
the chief female singer in an opera or opera company.synonyms: leading soprano, leading lady, diva, (opera) star, protagonist, heroine, principal singer, female lead; informalsongbird
"this solo was added to give the prima donna another aria"
a very temperamental person with an inflated view of their own talent or importance.modifier noun: prima-donna
"the prima-donna behaviour of some of the stars"
synonyms: temperamental person, unpredictable person, self-important person
"the sport's overpaid prima donnas would throw tantrums on court"
Quote from: Orior on October 06, 2017, 09:53:54 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 05, 2017, 11:50:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 05, 2017, 11:29:58 PM
Big question is what has changed with Clarke over the last 6 weeks. He gave an extended interview with Newstalk shortly after the Kildare game where he stated how he had refound his love for football again. Now he has decided to set off for foreign soil once more. It's no secret that some of his team mates in Cross shunned him a few weeks back and his absence from the Cross team may have turned him into something of a scapegoat whereby he didn't feel welcome at home. Certainly his decision to head abroad again simply does not tally with his interview about 2 months ago. Huge blow for Armagh, he's our best player and unfortunately we may have seen the last of him as a county player.
Ye see that's a load at of bull...after Armagh went out he went off on a jaunt and told no one where he was. He came back and didn't come to training. He was asked what he was doing. Came to the maghery game and was pissed he didn't start. Didn't come back till he was approached by the players. Gave a commitment to go to the next game. Didn't turn up. He's gone. End of story
prima donna
ˌpriːmə ˈdɒnə/Submit
noun
noun: prima donna; plural noun: prima donnas; noun: primadonna; plural noun: primadonnas
the chief female singer in an opera or opera company.
synonyms: leading soprano, leading lady, diva, (opera) star, protagonist, heroine, principal singer, female lead; informalsongbird
"this solo was added to give the prima donna another aria"
a very temperamental person with an inflated view of their own talent or importance.
modifier noun: prima-donna
"the prima-donna behaviour of some of the stars"
synonyms: temperamental person, unpredictable person, self-important person
"the sport's overpaid prima donnas would throw tantrums on court"
I hope he is done in the orange, he seems like a good lad but I for one have seen enough of his act, since Cross are struggling and are only the second or third best team in the county these days they will probably take him back, good luck to them, I wish Jamie well and hope he enjoys his life but I think the Cross players and Armagh manager deserve better from him, all that talk about commitment was just that, talk.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 05, 2017, 07:32:16 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2017, 07:22:53 PM
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/jslattery/armagh-dealt-blow-key-player-opts-squad-2018/
Don't be surprised if there's one or two more....
Cross insinuating they'll withdraw players when their bad behaviour is being investigated. A tactic they have long since mastered.
Quote from: stew on October 06, 2017, 10:12:03 AM
Quote from: Orior on October 06, 2017, 09:53:54 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 05, 2017, 11:50:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 05, 2017, 11:29:58 PM
Big question is what has changed with Clarke over the last 6 weeks. He gave an extended interview with Newstalk shortly after the Kildare game where he stated how he had refound his love for football again. Now he has decided to set off for foreign soil once more. It's no secret that some of his team mates in Cross shunned him a few weeks back and his absence from the Cross team may have turned him into something of a scapegoat whereby he didn't feel welcome at home. Certainly his decision to head abroad again simply does not tally with his interview about 2 months ago. Huge blow for Armagh, he's our best player and unfortunately we may have seen the last of him as a county player.
Ye see that's a load at of bull...after Armagh went out he went off on a jaunt and told no one where he was. He came back and didn't come to training. He was asked what he was doing. Came to the maghery game and was pissed he didn't start. Didn't come back till he was approached by the players. Gave a commitment to go to the next game. Didn't turn up. He's gone. End of story
prima donna
ˌpriːmə ˈdɒnə/Submit
noun
noun: prima donna; plural noun: prima donnas; noun: primadonna; plural noun: primadonnas
the chief female singer in an opera or opera company.
synonyms: leading soprano, leading lady, diva, (opera) star, protagonist, heroine, principal singer, female lead; informalsongbird
"this solo was added to give the prima donna another aria"
a very temperamental person with an inflated view of their own talent or importance.
modifier noun: prima-donna
"the prima-donna behaviour of some of the stars"
synonyms: temperamental person, unpredictable person, self-important person
"the sport's overpaid prima donnas would throw tantrums on court"
I hope he is done in the orange, he seems like a good lad but I for one have seen enough of his act, since Cross are struggling and are only the second or third best team in the county these days they will probably take him back, good luck to them, I wish Jamie well and hope he enjoys his life but I think the Cross players and Armagh manager deserve better from him, all that talk about commitment was just that, talk.
Sad way for it all to end really, long wondered from the outside what was the story with him but I think that might be him done on the county scene for good now as you've said.
Must be very frustrating on a very different level to counties losing players to AFL etc.
It's impossible to know the right time to cut off certain players.
Judging by the above they'd have been better telling Clarke to feck off earlier.
Quote from: onefaircounty on October 06, 2017, 10:30:43 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 05, 2017, 07:32:16 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2017, 07:22:53 PM
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/jslattery/armagh-dealt-blow-key-player-opts-squad-2018/
Don't be surprised if there's one or two more....
Cross insinuating they'll withdraw players when their bad behaviour is being investigated. A tactic they have long since mastered.
No
I SAW JAMIE CLARKE ON LOUGH NEAGH WITH A DOWN TOP ON HIM NEAR RAM'S ISLAND YESTERDAY WRESTLING WITH A CONGER EEL
Quote from: Olly on October 06, 2017, 02:04:04 PM
I SAW JAMIE CLARKE ON LOUGH NEAGH WITH A DOWN TOP ON HIM NEAR RAM'S ISLAND YESTERDAY WRESTLING WITH A CONGER EEL
Bullshit. Congers only live in the sea.
have you ever been in Cross' Olly?
It was actually Lough Ross
Armagh forum officially dead?
How long has it off line now?
Quote from: mcklatchee on October 06, 2017, 08:39:07 PM
Armagh forum officially dead?
How long has it off line now?
A few days now. Shame
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The Continuity Forum
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 06, 2017, 08:53:23 PM
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Let's hope for a discontinuity in Armagh performance.
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I can't believe it's not the Arma... never mind.
Quote from: Armamike on October 06, 2017, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: under the bar on October 05, 2017, 11:57:55 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 05, 2017, 08:25:39 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2017, 07:22:53 PM
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/jslattery/armagh-dealt-blow-key-player-opts-squad-2018/
Hard to blame him really - the destruction by Tyrone and then their subsequent destruction by Dublin really showed how far off the pace Armagh are.
Tyrone had an off day. Armagh are long term dung.
Yes on another day Tyrone could have taken Dublin :)
Dublin are the benchmark. Armagh are the skidmark! ;)
Quote from: StGallsGAA on October 06, 2017, 10:58:26 PM
Quote from: Armamike on October 06, 2017, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: under the bar on October 05, 2017, 11:57:55 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 05, 2017, 08:25:39 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2017, 07:22:53 PM
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/jslattery/armagh-dealt-blow-key-player-opts-squad-2018/
Hard to blame him really - the destruction by Tyrone and then their subsequent destruction by Dublin really showed how far off the pace Armagh are.
Tyrone had an off day. Armagh are long term dung.
Yes on another day Tyrone could have taken Dublin :)
Dublin are the benchmark. Armagh are the skidmark! ;)
It thinks it's funny
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 06, 2017, 08:53:23 PM
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Presumably just the same guys as before just without the official baggage. Maybe that will let them relax a bit. We will have to wait and see
I met Jamie this morning at Stoneyford reservoir at 4am and he was having trouble with a 14lb rainbow trout but he said he's concentrating on fishing this year and wants to catch a 30lb pike soon but had yet to get a licence.
Quote from: Olly on October 07, 2017, 01:45:54 PM
I met Jamie this morning at Stoneyford reservoir at 4am and he was having trouble with a 14lb rainbow trout but he said he's concentrating on fishing this year and wants to catch a 30lb pike soon but had yet to get a licence.
You forgot to mention what jersey he was wearing?
Quote from: mcklatchee on October 07, 2017, 07:39:13 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 06, 2017, 08:53:23 PM
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Presumably just the same guys as before just without the official baggage. Maybe that will let them relax a bit. We will have to wait and see
Looks like a different set of folk. These forums are better off not linked to official sites anyway.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on October 07, 2017, 02:24:05 PM
Quote from: Olly on October 07, 2017, 01:45:54 PM
I met Jamie this morning at Stoneyford reservoir at 4am and he was having trouble with a 14lb rainbow trout but he said he's concentrating on fishing this year and wants to catch a 30lb pike soon but had yet to get a licence.
You forgot to mention what jersey he was wearing?
He'd likely fit in best in a Rangers jersey in those parts, and not a black and amber one.
Interesting in Big Hearty's interview in Irish News yesterday,where he lashed out at lads who need a break regularly every two or three months! Wonder was he referring to anyone in particular?
Get the feeling bridges have been burned myself.
Have no issue with Jamie heading off , fair play to him, for myself I would encourage everyone to travel and see the world. I can see no reason why he should stay it's not as if gaa is giving him a living.
The reality and indeed I see it in my own kids is that they see beyond Ireland and Gaelic football is no longer the be all of life.
Indeed was chatting to a young county player from another county who wants to travel and in his words he is being made to feel as if he is letting everyone down. He feels terrible about it. That's not fair on young guys.
So hopefully Jamie enjoys Australia and the rest.
As for cross hopefully they fall back in the pack , I am encouraged by the Work so many clubs in Armagh are doing, clann eireann, maghery who both won minors at different levels etc so we just need more to continue their great work st ground level.
Quote from: Olly on October 07, 2017, 01:45:54 PM
I met Jamie this morning at Stoneyford reservoir at 4am and he was having trouble with a 14lb rainbow trout but he said he's concentrating on fishing this year and wants to catch a 30lb pike soon but had yet to get a licence.
Was talking to him, sez he's gonna leave the reservoir in better shape than he found it, all part of a lasting legacy.
Quote from: naka on October 08, 2017, 08:51:39 AM
Have no issue with Jamie heading off , fair play to him, for myself I would encourage everyone to travel and see the world. I can see no reason why he should stay it's not as if gaa is giving him a living.
The reality and indeed I see it in my own kids is that they see beyond Ireland and Gaelic football is no longer the be all of life.
Indeed was chatting to a young county player from another county who wants to travel and in his words he is being made to feel as if he is letting everyone down. He feels terrible about it. That's not fair on young guys.
So hopefully Jamie enjoys Australia and the rest.
As for cross hopefully they fall back in the pack , I am encouraged by the Work so many clubs in Armagh are doing, clann eireann, maghery who both won minors at different levels etc so we just need more to continue their great work st ground level.
Generally I would agree and would do 100% if he hadn't talked about leaving a legacy and why not. That said I won't criticise him as he has to do what he feels he has to do and what he wants to do
Quote from: tiempo on October 08, 2017, 08:58:39 AM
Quote from: Olly on October 07, 2017, 01:45:54 PM
I met Jamie this morning at Stoneyford reservoir at 4am and he was having trouble with a 14lb rainbow trout but he said he's concentrating on fishing this year and wants to catch a 30lb pike soon but had yet to get a licence.
Was talking to him, sez he's gonna leave the reservoir in better shape than he found it, all part of a lasting legacy.
Yes he said that to me too and seemed to be surveying the whole reservoir like a man with a plan whilst ripping away at his line as he was landing another big trout. Funny I saw him this morning outside Nutts Corner market at 6am waiting for it to open. He said he was looking to get more bait and wanted to be the first man at it. He was in the same clothes as yesterday - a pair of cord jeans, sandals and a wooly jumper but you could see a Louth jersey underneath it. Hes just clean mad about fishing and to be honest im a bit sick of hearing about it from him.
Getting back to player movement, John Donaldson played centre half back for Leinster, and then moved to XMG. What was that about?
I see Oisin having a go in Sunday Life at us twits who dared to frown on Crossmaglen's lack of grace in defeat last weekend😠
Quote from: T Fearon on October 08, 2017, 01:00:18 PM
I see Oisin having a go in Sunday Life at us twits who dared to frown on Crossmaglen's lack of grace in defeat last weekend😠
hook, line & sinker
Quote from: Orior on October 08, 2017, 11:56:12 AM
Getting back to player movement, John Donaldson played centre half back for Leinster, and then moved to XMG. What was that about?
Maybe because he is from the area and had fallen out with Cullyhanna moved to Louth and then moved back to us a number of years later. No big deal. His father is at most of our games and his nephews play a huge part in the club.
Quote from: T Fearon on October 08, 2017, 01:00:18 PM
I see Oisin having a go in Sunday Life at us twits who dared to frown on Crossmaglen's lack of grace in defeat last weekend😠
There was a row involving both sets of players and supporters. What did cross do over and above this which showed a lack of grace
Quote from: Armamike on October 07, 2017, 02:41:47 PM
Quote from: mcklatchee on October 07, 2017, 07:39:13 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 06, 2017, 08:53:23 PM
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Presumably just the same guys as before just without the official baggage. Maybe that will let them relax a bit. We will have to wait and see
Looks like a different set of folk. These forums are better off not linked to official sites anyway.
How do you mean it looks like a different set of folk?
Definitely has the look and feel of the old set up. I suppose the admin pissed a few people off so might benefit from the appearance of a fresh start
Quote from: thebar on October 08, 2017, 01:52:43 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on October 08, 2017, 01:00:18 PM
I see Oisin having a go in Sunday Life at us twits who dared to frown on Crossmaglen's lack of grace in defeat last weekend😠
hook, line & sinker
Elite level wumming from Oisin???
Quote from: mcklatchee on October 08, 2017, 02:23:12 PM
Quote from: Armamike on October 07, 2017, 02:41:47 PM
Quote from: mcklatchee on October 07, 2017, 07:39:13 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 06, 2017, 08:53:23 PM
http://orchardfans.com/index.php
The Continuity Forum
Presumably just the same guys as before just without the official baggage. Maybe that will let them relax a bit. We will have to wait and see
Looks like a different set of folk. These forums are better off not linked to official sites anyway.
How do you mean it looks like a different set of folk?
Definitely has the look and feel of the old set up. I suppose the admin pissed a few people off so might benefit from the appearance of a fresh start
The site looks similar but the explanation from the admin on the site's origin suggests to me it is a different lot.
Quote from: Armamike on October 08, 2017, 04:23:05 PM
Quote from: mcklatchee on October 08, 2017, 02:23:12 PM
Quote from: Armamike on October 07, 2017, 02:41:47 PM
Quote from: mcklatchee on October 07, 2017, 07:39:13 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 06, 2017, 08:53:23 PM
http://orchardfans.com/index.php
The Continuity Forum
Presumably just the same guys as before just without the official baggage. Maybe that will let them relax a bit. We will have to wait and see
Looks like a different set of folk. These forums are better off not linked to official sites anyway.
How do you mean it looks like a different set of folk?
Definitely has the look and feel of the old set up. I suppose the admin pissed a few people off so might benefit from the appearance of a fresh start
The site looks similar but the explanation from the admin on the site's origin suggests to me it is a different lot.
You could be right but the appearance of the site and the timing of its launch would indicate some continuity.
Good luck to them. The old site was excellent in terms of format and innovation and anybody looking to launch a site would do well to copy that blue print.
2 things let the old site down and I believe one of these was its ultimate downfall.
As with any anonymous site there were people posting stuff purely to get a reaction and crossing several lines in the process. Secondly there was an in crowd of seemingly yes men who had little interest in allowing proper debate.
The 2 combined will kill any site
Quote from: Olly on October 08, 2017, 09:45:15 AM
Quote from: tiempo on October 08, 2017, 08:58:39 AM
Quote from: Olly on October 07, 2017, 01:45:54 PM
I met Jamie this morning at Stoneyford reservoir at 4am and he was having trouble with a 14lb rainbow trout but he said he's concentrating on fishing this year and wants to catch a 30lb pike soon but had yet to get a licence.
Was talking to him, sez he's gonna leave the reservoir in better shape than he found it, all part of a lasting legacy.
Yes he said that to me too and seemed to be surveying the whole reservoir like a man with a plan whilst ripping away at his line as he was landing another big trout. Funny I saw him this morning outside Nutts Corner market at 6am waiting for it to open. He said he was looking to get more bait and wanted to be the first man at it. He was in the same clothes as yesterday - a pair of cord jeans, sandals and a wooly jumper but you could see a Louth jersey underneath it. Hes just clean mad about fishing and to be honest im a bit sick of hearing about it from him.
I'm sure there's more to it than meets the eye. Tread carefully if you are one who is but only surmising.
Quote from: supersub on October 12, 2017, 04:51:06 PM
I'm sure there's more to it than meets the eye. Tread carefully if you are one who is but only surmising.
Olly would get on well with Leo Varadkar, he surmises early in the morning.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56348206 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56348206)
https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0310/1203131-court-newry/ (https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0310/1203131-court-newry/)
Not good press for such a successful club. Did the alleged offences take place in the club?
Quote from: trailer on March 10, 2021, 03:23:31 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56348206 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56348206)
https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0310/1203131-court-newry/ (https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0310/1203131-court-newry/)
Not good press for such a successful club. Did the alleged offences take place in the club?
A club doesn't invite these people in. Hopefully he gets some Cross justice
Quote from: trailer on March 10, 2021, 03:23:31 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56348206 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56348206)
https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0310/1203131-court-newry/ (https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0310/1203131-court-newry/)
Not good press for such a successful club. Did the alleged offences take place in the club?
It illustrates the ability of these people to infiltrate even well run organisations.
In relation to schools and so on, it is sometimes said that "everyone knew", but this type of thing is well hidden for years.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 10, 2021, 04:03:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 10, 2021, 03:23:31 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56348206 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56348206)
https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0310/1203131-court-newry/ (https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0310/1203131-court-newry/)
Not good press for such a successful club. Did the alleged offences take place in the club?
It illustrates the ability of these people to infiltrate even well run organisations.
In relation to schools and so on, it is sometimes said that "everyone knew", but this type of thing is well hidden for years.
Very true - a warning for all clubs to be vigilant.
Quote from: trailer on March 10, 2021, 04:12:43 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 10, 2021, 04:03:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 10, 2021, 03:23:31 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56348206 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56348206)
https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0310/1203131-court-newry/ (https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0310/1203131-court-newry/)
Not good press for such a successful club. Did the alleged offences take place in the club?
It illustrates the ability of these people to infiltrate even well run organisations.
In relation to schools and so on, it is sometimes said that "everyone knew", but this type of thing is well hidden for years.
Very true - a warning for all clubs to be vigilant.
There is a tendency in smaller communities for a certain informality, which might extend to shortcuts from doing things by the book. I would argue that a "it'll do rightly" approach caused a lot of Covid recently in Cross and the same applied to the child protection stuff, there was a threat inside the tent.
In the relation to the Church, apparently one of the new Priests in the parish was interested in the club and McKenna said that you wouldn't want priests around the place with all the abuse and that you couldn't be too careful!
Quote from: armaghniac on March 10, 2021, 05:02:57 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 10, 2021, 04:12:43 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 10, 2021, 04:03:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 10, 2021, 03:23:31 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56348206 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56348206)
https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0310/1203131-court-newry/ (https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0310/1203131-court-newry/)
Not good press for such a successful club. Did the alleged offences take place in the club?
It illustrates the ability of these people to infiltrate even well run organisations.
In relation to schools and so on, it is sometimes said that "everyone knew", but this type of thing is well hidden for years.
Very true - a warning for all clubs to be vigilant.
There is a tendency in smaller communities for a certain informality, which might extend to shortcuts from doing things by the book. I would argue that a "it'll do rightly" approach caused a lot of Covid recently in Cross and the same applied to the child protection stuff, there was a threat inside the tent.
In the relation to the Church, apparently one of the new Priests in the parish was interested in the club and McKenna said that you wouldn't want priests around the place with all the abuse and that you couldn't be too careful!
Whao - two pretty big statements there armaghniac
Quote from: armaghniac on March 10, 2021, 05:02:57 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 10, 2021, 04:12:43 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 10, 2021, 04:03:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 10, 2021, 03:23:31 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56348206 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56348206)
https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0310/1203131-court-newry/ (https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0310/1203131-court-newry/)
Not good press for such a successful club. Did the alleged offences take place in the club?
It illustrates the ability of these people to infiltrate even well run organisations.
In relation to schools and so on, it is sometimes said that "everyone knew", but this type of thing is well hidden for years.
Very true - a warning for all clubs to be vigilant.
There is a tendency in smaller communities for a certain informality, which might extend to shortcuts from doing things by the book. I would argue that a "it'll do rightly" approach caused a lot of Covid recently in Cross and the same applied to the child protection stuff, there was a threat inside the tent.
In the relation to the Church, apparently one of the new Priests in the parish was interested in the club and McKenna said that you wouldn't want priests around the place with all the abuse and that you couldn't be too careful!
Do you have proof of any of this?
Good article on cross in the IN Sports pages today for anyone that's interested
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 10, 2021, 06:45:38 PM
Do you have proof of any of this?
I do not see why I should be asked for proof, what do you think that I said?
I heard that a person charged with child abuse had previously falsely tried to imply an interest in child protection by exploiting a blanket condemnation of people in a particular job and making unwarranted insinuations about an innocent person.
I suspect that McKenna has bigger problems than my saying that he was trying to divert attention away from himself.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 10, 2021, 07:00:28 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 10, 2021, 06:45:38 PM
Do you have proof of any of this?
I do not see why I should be asked for proof, what do you think that I said?
I heard that a person charged with child abuse had previously falsely tried to imply an interest in child protection by exploiting a blanket condemnation of people in a particular job and making unwarranted insinuations about an innocent person.
I suspect that McKenna has bigger problems than my saying that he was trying to divert attention away from himself.
The covid part. Why would you argue a'itll do rightly approach' caused a lot of covid problems in cross recently.
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 10, 2021, 08:10:08 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 10, 2021, 07:00:28 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 10, 2021, 06:45:38 PM
Do you have proof of any of this?
I do not see why I should be asked for proof, what do you think that I said?
I heard that a person charged with child abuse had previously falsely tried to imply an interest in child protection by exploiting a blanket condemnation of people in a particular job and making unwarranted insinuations about an innocent person.
I suspect that McKenna has bigger problems than my saying that he was trying to divert attention away from himself.
The covid part. Why would you argue a'itll do rightly approach' caused a lot of covid problems in cross recently.
Mask wearing and the like was a bit casual there (the town, not the club) as it was in many places. South Armagh had the highest rate in the country in January and I think that previous laxity contributed to that. Again, I cannot prove that.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 10, 2021, 08:21:26 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 10, 2021, 08:10:08 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 10, 2021, 07:00:28 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 10, 2021, 06:45:38 PM
Do you have proof of any of this?
I do not see why I should be asked for proof, what do you think that I said?
I heard that a person charged with child abuse had previously falsely tried to imply an interest in child protection by exploiting a blanket condemnation of people in a particular job and making unwarranted insinuations about an innocent person.
I suspect that McKenna has bigger problems than my saying that he was trying to divert attention away from himself.
The covid part. Why would you argue a'itll do rightly approach' caused a lot of covid problems in cross recently.
Mask wearing and the like was a bit casual there (the town, not the club) as it was in many places. South Armagh had the highest rate in the country in January and I think that previous laxity contributed to that. Again, I cannot prove that.
Keady had numbers through the roof at one stage and there is certainly a devil may care attitude in general round Keady. My feelings could be coloured by the fact that the first time I was ever in it I saw a fella hanging out the sunroof of a moving car whilst swigging from a bottle of Buckfast. After 20 years I haven't seen much to change my mind.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 10, 2021, 08:41:38 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 10, 2021, 08:21:26 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 10, 2021, 08:10:08 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 10, 2021, 07:00:28 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 10, 2021, 06:45:38 PM
Do you have proof of any of this?
I do not see why I should be asked for proof, what do you think that I said?
I heard that a person charged with child abuse had previously falsely tried to imply an interest in child protection by exploiting a blanket condemnation of people in a particular job and making unwarranted insinuations about an innocent person.
I suspect that McKenna has bigger problems than my saying that he was trying to divert attention away from himself.
The covid part. Why would you argue a'itll do rightly approach' caused a lot of covid problems in cross recently.
Mask wearing and the like was a bit casual there (the town, not the club) as it was in many places. South Armagh had the highest rate in the country in January and I think that previous laxity contributed to that. Again, I cannot prove that.
Keady had numbers through the roof at one stage and there is certainly a devil may care attitude in general round Keady. My feelings could be coloured by the fact that the first time I was ever in it I saw a fella hanging out the sunroof of a moving car whilst swigging from a bottle of Buckfast. After 20 years I haven't seen much to change my mind.
I once courted a wee girl from Keady. Clean crazy. I learned a lot!