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Title: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: From the Bunker on February 12, 2019, 01:32:05 PM
One thing I am going to enjoy this year is watching Kerry. Their fear of losing one of their crowns as having the best team ever (70's/80's) is on the horizon. They will burst a gut to make sure it does not happen both off and on the field.

You can expect the 3 O'Se's, Gooch, Spillane and Liston to up the anti media wise. Ex-Kerry Players will throw in their worth. They ran an excellently orchestrated ''Street wise Mayo'' Campaign in 2014. Worked a treat to. 

They will also back anyone who could get in their way. Any Dublin player who does anything dodgy on or off the field of play will have his offence exaggerated, heavy scrutinised and a call for blood!

Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: From the Bunker on February 14, 2019, 12:42:40 AM
They have started already!

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/295549?fbclid=IwAR0GjW3FJ-wE2QhCP68MPs1ln6h_R6MKHyTzGas_AYsrGICrBfutEkmbcuk (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/295549?fbclid=IwAR0GjW3FJ-wE2QhCP68MPs1ln6h_R6MKHyTzGas_AYsrGICrBfutEkmbcuk)
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: rrhf on February 14, 2019, 07:11:42 AM
It will not matter. Dubs need to lose all any 4 of Cooper, Mc caffrey, Fenton,
Mannion, rock and Kilkenny for a knock out game ie semi final or final to level it with the next best.  That ain't going to happen. Kerry can think all they want, they have been sleeping at the wheel at senior level for the last 4 years and won't have caught up in a few months. 
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: Cunny Funt on February 14, 2019, 11:35:08 AM
Kerry's title of the greatest team ever was achieved with mostly the same starting team and few subs. Dublin are evolving squad, not a team so it will be less of achievement when they win 5 in a row as expected this summer but as seen in the NFL so far the year, the likes of S Cluxton; P McMahon, C O'Sullivan are hugely important players and they won't be easily replaced in the years to come.

As for the current Kerry team, they will do well to reach the All Ireland semi final as regardless of their good league form they are still in transition and i wouldn't be surprised if they make an exit at the quarter final stage again.
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: outinfront on February 14, 2019, 11:42:56 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 14, 2019, 11:35:08 AM
Kerry's title of the greatest team ever was achieved with mostly the same starting team and few subs. Dublin are evolving squad, not a team so it will be less of achievement when they win 5 in a row as expected this summer but as seen in the NFL so far the year, the likes of S Cluxton; P McMahon, C O'Sullivan are hugely important players and they won't be easily replaced in the years to come.

As for the current Kerry team, they will do well to reach the All Ireland semi final as regardless of their good league form they are still in transition and i wouldn't be surprised if they make an exit at the quarter final stage again.

Will it though?  The standard of athleticism and fitness today is far above and beyond that era. The systems at play and coaching and planning arguably also far ahead of then.  Not disagreeing just putting it out there for debate.
I get what you say about the same team members etc
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 14, 2019, 11:51:32 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 14, 2019, 12:42:40 AM
They have started already!

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/295549?fbclid=IwAR0GjW3FJ-wE2QhCP68MPs1ln6h_R6MKHyTzGas_AYsrGICrBfutEkmbcuk (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/295549?fbclid=IwAR0GjW3FJ-wE2QhCP68MPs1ln6h_R6MKHyTzGas_AYsrGICrBfutEkmbcuk)

Is Hoganstand still a thing?
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: Cunny Funt on February 14, 2019, 12:13:37 PM
Quote from: outinfront on February 14, 2019, 11:42:56 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 14, 2019, 11:35:08 AM
Kerry's title of the greatest team ever was achieved with mostly the same starting team and few subs. Dublin are evolving squad, not a team so it will be less of achievement when they win 5 in a row as expected this summer but as seen in the NFL so far the year, the likes of S Cluxton; P McMahon, C O'Sullivan are hugely important players and they won't be easily replaced in the years to come.

As for the current Kerry team, they will do well to reach the All Ireland semi final as regardless of their good league form they are still in transition and i wouldn't be surprised if they make an exit at the quarter final stage again.

Will it though?  The standard of athleticism and fitness today is far above and beyond that era. The systems at play and coaching and planning arguably also far ahead of then.  Not disagreeing just putting it out there for debate.
I get what you say about the same team members etc

Those old to remember that Kerry team know how great they were and imagine how better they would have been if they were exposed to the fitness and preparation of today.
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 12:22:41 PM
Quote from: outinfront on February 14, 2019, 11:42:56 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 14, 2019, 11:35:08 AM
Kerry's title of the greatest team ever was achieved with mostly the same starting team and few subs. Dublin are evolving squad, not a team so it will be less of achievement when they win 5 in a row as expected this summer but as seen in the NFL so far the year, the likes of S Cluxton; P McMahon, C O'Sullivan are hugely important players and they won't be easily replaced in the years to come.

As for the current Kerry team, they will do well to reach the All Ireland semi final as regardless of their good league form they are still in transition and i wouldn't be surprised if they make an exit at the quarter final stage again.

Will it though?  The standard of athleticism and fitness today is far above and beyond that era. The systems at play and coaching and planning arguably also far ahead of then.  Not disagreeing just putting it out there for debate.
I get what you say about the same team members etc
You can't compare teams from different eras
but you can compare money
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
Dublin have currently won 26 games in a row . The most that Kerry group managed was 19.

When Dublin pick up Sam this year they will be probably have won 34 games in a row. The equivalent of 8 AIs for Kerry in the 70s/80s.

They currently have only lost 2 games in 36 matches. That is the greatest legacy of all time.
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
Dublin have currently won 26 games in a row . The most that Kerry group managed was 19.

When Dublin pick up Sam this year they will be probably have won 34 games in a row. The equivalent of 8 AIs for Kerry in the 70s/80s.

They currently have only lost 2 games in 36 matches. That is the greatest legacy of all time.

If Kildare had the pick of 1.2 m people and more money than everyone else they would have won as much, more than likely
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: Maroon Manc on February 14, 2019, 12:49:25 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
Dublin have currently won 26 games in a row . The most that Kerry group managed was 19.

When Dublin pick up Sam this year they will be probably have won 34 games in a row. The equivalent of 8 AIs for Kerry in the 70s/80s.

They currently have only lost 2 games in 36 matches. That is the greatest legacy of all time.

Hard to compare era's though and nothing Kerry could about the structure of the championship.

Apart from Mayo the Dubs have little or no competition during this era. Kerry have been poor, no great side from Ulster, Galway just starting to put a team together and Cork & Meath at at their lowest ebb in a very long time.

I'm too young to comment on the level of competition had apart form the great Offaly side who stopped the 5 in a row.

Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 01:16:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
Dublin have currently won 26 games in a row . The most that Kerry group managed was 19.

When Dublin pick up Sam this year they will be probably have won 34 games in a row. The equivalent of 8 AIs for Kerry in the 70s/80s.

They currently have only lost 2 games in 36 matches. That is the greatest legacy of all time.

If Kildare had the pick of 1.2 m people and more money than everyone else they would have won as much, more than likely

It's Kildare......

When did you join the revolution?
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: Cunny Funt on February 14, 2019, 01:21:45 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
Dublin have currently won 26 games in a row . The most that Kerry group managed was 19.

When Dublin pick up Sam this year they will be probably have won 34 games in a row. The equivalent of 8 AIs for Kerry in the 70s/80s.

They currently have only lost 2 games in 36 matches. That is the greatest legacy of all time.
For evolving squad instead of a single team.
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: yellowcard on February 14, 2019, 01:38:12 PM
Whether or not Dublin do or don't achieve 5 titles in a row should not affect their legacy. They are already a great side but the extent of that shouldn't necessarily be measured in the number of titles they have won. Most people would say that Ronnie O'Sullivan is the greatest snooker player of all time yet he has won less world titles than Stephen Hendry, sometimes it is the way you play the game that is remembered long after you are gone. The best football that the current Dublin side played was probably in 2014 when they were actually beaten by Donegal in a smash and grab win and although they still do play the game in the right way there has also been a strong element of pragmatism employed since then.

I don't know whether they are the best ever, you could argue the toss all day long but another narrow win in an AI final will not really convince me either way. I doubt very much if the present Kerry side are motivated by stopping another team in order to preserve the status of their own county team from 40 years ago. The media may try and build it up as such but just trying to win an AI title for it's own sake is surely their primary motivation.     
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: weareros on February 14, 2019, 02:12:09 PM
At the end of the day, you ask the likes of Mike Sheehy how many All-Irelands he won and he can show you 8, same for a lot of the rest of that great Kerry team. They also won the majority (exception 1980) of those All-Irelands in style, whereas Dublin scraped past the post. 5 in a row won't make Dublin a greater team.
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: rosnarun on February 14, 2019, 03:47:54 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 14, 2019, 01:38:12 PM
Whether or not Dublin do or don't achieve 5 titles in a row should not affect their legacy. They are already a great side but the extent of that shouldn't necessarily be measured in the number of titles they have won. Most people would say that Ronnie O'Sullivan is the greatest snooker player of all time yet he has won less world titles than Stephen Hendry, sometimes it is the way you play the game that is remembered long after you are gone. The best football that the current Dublin side played was probably in 2014 when they were actually beaten by Donegal in a smash and grab win and although they still do play the game in the right way there has also been a strong element of pragmatism employed since then.

I don't know whether they are the best ever, you could argue the toss all day long but another narrow win in an AI final will not really convince me either way. I doubt very much if the present Kerry side are motivated by stopping another team in order to preserve the status of their own county team from 40 years ago. The media may try and build it up as such but just trying to win an AI title for it's own sake is surely their primary motivation.     
can I mention the name Davis there 3 to choose from 2 def better than Ronnie

as for dublins 34 games in a row;  you have to take in account they play in leinster with 12 teams where as  Kerry had only  other 4 teams to contend with in Munster so that would screw with the figures
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 14, 2019, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on February 14, 2019, 03:47:54 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 14, 2019, 01:38:12 PM
Whether or not Dublin do or don't achieve 5 titles in a row should not affect their legacy. They are already a great side but the extent of that shouldn't necessarily be measured in the number of titles they have won. Most people would say that Ronnie O'Sullivan is the greatest snooker player of all time yet he has won less world titles than Stephen Hendry, sometimes it is the way you play the game that is remembered long after you are gone. The best football that the current Dublin side played was probably in 2014 when they were actually beaten by Donegal in a smash and grab win and although they still do play the game in the right way there has also been a strong element of pragmatism employed since then.

I don't know whether they are the best ever, you could argue the toss all day long but another narrow win in an AI final will not really convince me either way. I doubt very much if the present Kerry side are motivated by stopping another team in order to preserve the status of their own county team from 40 years ago. The media may try and build it up as such but just trying to win an AI title for it's own sake is surely their primary motivation.     
can I mention the name Davis there 3 to choose from 2 def better than Ronnie

as for dublins 34 games in a row;  you have to take in account they play in leinster with 12 teams where as  Kerry had only  other 4 teams to contend with in Munster so that would screw with the figures

Yes in fairness Kerry stats in the 70s/80s would probably be the same if didn't play in a smaller province with less games and if there was All Ireland quarter finals back then.
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 05:25:30 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 01:16:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
Dublin have currently won 26 games in a row . The most that Kerry group managed was 19.

When Dublin pick up Sam this year they will be probably have won 34 games in a row. The equivalent of 8 AIs for Kerry in the 70s/80s.

They currently have only lost 2 games in 36 matches. That is the greatest legacy of all time.

If Kildare had the pick of 1.2 m people and more money than everyone else they would have won as much, more than likely

It's Kildare......

When did you join the revolution?

Maybe last year some time. Mayo gave the illusion of competition. 
If any other team other than Mayo (or Kildare) had played the Dubs in 3 finals would they not have won 1 of them ? I dunno

I think there is a strong case for counties boycotting the competition now until the GAA restructures it.

Watching the dubs win 6 or 7 in a row is pointless. That's not what your dreams should be.
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: Rossfan on February 14, 2019, 05:28:13 PM
Be some consternation if Counties refused to take part in the All Ireland series once their Provincial campaigns were over.
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: From the Bunker on February 14, 2019, 08:39:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 05:25:30 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 01:16:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
Dublin have currently won 26 games in a row . The most that Kerry group managed was 19.

When Dublin pick up Sam this year they will be probably have won 34 games in a row. The equivalent of 8 AIs for Kerry in the 70s/80s.

They currently have only lost 2 games in 36 matches. That is the greatest legacy of all time.

If Kildare had the pick of 1.2 m people and more money than everyone else they would have won as much, more than likely

It's Kildare......

When did you join the revolution?

Maybe last year some time. Mayo gave the illusion of competition. 
If any other team other than Mayo (or Kildare) had played the Dubs in 3 finals would they not have won 1 of them ? I dunno

I think there is a strong case for counties boycotting the competition now until the GAA restructures it.

Watching the dubs win 6 or 7 in a row is pointless. That's not what your dreams should be.

Seafoid, relax these things happen in cycles.  ;)
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: TheMaster on February 14, 2019, 09:53:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 12, 2019, 01:32:05 PM
One thing I am going to enjoy this year is watching Kerry. Their fear of losing one of their crowns as having the best team ever (70's/80's) is on the horizon. They will burst a gut to make sure it does not happen both off and on the field.

You can expect the 3 O'Se's, Gooch, Spillane and Liston to up the anti media wise. Ex-Kerry Players will throw in their worth. They ran an excellently orchestrated ''Street wise Mayo'' Campaign in 2014. Worked a treat to

They will also back anyone who could get in their way. Any Dublin player who does anything dodgy on or off the field of play will have his offence exaggerated, heavy scrutinised and a call for blood!

Yerra. I dont remember any campaign against Mayo in?? Lee Keegan got a red card for lashing at Donnchadh Walsh and somehow won the appeal.
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: seafoid on February 15, 2019, 09:52:47 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 14, 2019, 05:28:13 PM
Be some consternation if Counties refused to take part in the All Ireland series once their Provincial campaigns were over.

Kevin Cassidy

"When you step away from the county scene," he muses, "it's strange because you look back and you think, 'would I do it again if I was asked?'
I'm not sure you would, well, I'm not sure I would."

If you knew that only Dublin had a hope of winning would you be arsed ?
Sport without competition is not business as usual
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: easytiger95 on February 15, 2019, 11:23:19 AM
Quote from: weareros on February 14, 2019, 02:12:09 PM
At the end of the day, you ask the likes of Mike Sheehy how many All-Irelands he won and he can show you 8, same for a lot of the rest of that great Kerry team. They also won the majority (exception 1980) of those All-Irelands in style, whereas Dublin scraped past the post. 5 in a row won't make Dublin a greater team.

Jesus, the ignorance - ask the likes of Cluxton, O'Sullivan and McCarthy how many do they have and they will say six and gunning for seven. Huge difference, eh?
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: easytiger95 on February 15, 2019, 11:31:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 05:25:30 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 01:16:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
Dublin have currently won 26 games in a row . The most that Kerry group managed was 19.

When Dublin pick up Sam this year they will be probably have won 34 games in a row. The equivalent of 8 AIs for Kerry in the 70s/80s.

They currently have only lost 2 games in 36 matches. That is the greatest legacy of all time.

If Kildare had the pick of 1.2 m people and more money than everyone else they would have won as much, more than likely

It's Kildare......

When did you join the revolution?

Maybe last year some time. Mayo gave the illusion of competition. 
If any other team other than Mayo (or Kildare) had played the Dubs in 3 finals would they not have won 1 of them ? I dunno

I think there is a strong case for counties boycotting the competition now until the GAA restructures it.

Watching the dubs win 6 or 7 in a row is pointless. That's not what your dreams should be.

It may have escaped your notice that Dublin played Kerry in 2 All Ireland finals and two semi finals since 2011 - winning by a point and 3 points in the finals, and by 7 points (in the greatest game I have ever seen in 2013) and by 2 points (in the most intense game I have ever seen - which includes being at Tyrone v Armagh in the 2005 semifinal) in the semis.

You may argue about how and why Dublin became the greatest of their era - nothing I can say will stop that. But trying to say that what they have achieved does not compare to what Kerry did in the 70s and 80s is both condescending to the teams of today and historically illiterate when you look at what that Kerry team actually had to do and who they had to beat to win their 8 All Irelands.
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: seafoid on February 15, 2019, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 14, 2019, 08:39:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 05:25:30 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 01:16:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
Dublin have currently won 26 games in a row . The most that Kerry group managed was 19.

When Dublin pick up Sam this year they will be probably have won 34 games in a row. The equivalent of 8 AIs for Kerry in the 70s/80s.

They currently have only lost 2 games in 36 matches. That is the greatest legacy of all time.

If Kildare had the pick of 1.2 m people and more money than everyone else they would have won as much, more than likely

It's Kildare......

When did you join the revolution?

Maybe last year some time. Mayo gave the illusion of competition. 
If any other team other than Mayo (or Kildare) had played the Dubs in 3 finals would they not have won 1 of them ? I dunno

I think there is a strong case for counties boycotting the competition now until the GAA restructures it.

Watching the dubs win 6 or 7 in a row is pointless. That's not what your dreams should be.

Seafoid, relax these things happen in cycles.  ;)
Kondratiev cycles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kondratiev_wave

Based on Kondratiev Mayo's time may be coming around again soon ;)
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: From the Bunker on February 15, 2019, 11:52:32 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 15, 2019, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 14, 2019, 08:39:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 05:25:30 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 01:16:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
Dublin have currently won 26 games in a row . The most that Kerry group managed was 19.

When Dublin pick up Sam this year they will be probably have won 34 games in a row. The equivalent of 8 AIs for Kerry in the 70s/80s.

They currently have only lost 2 games in 36 matches. That is the greatest legacy of all time.

If Kildare had the pick of 1.2 m people and more money than everyone else they would have won as much, more than likely

It's Kildare......

When did you join the revolution?

Maybe last year some time. Mayo gave the illusion of competition. 
If any other team other than Mayo (or Kildare) had played the Dubs in 3 finals would they not have won 1 of them ? I dunno

I think there is a strong case for counties boycotting the competition now until the GAA restructures it.

Watching the dubs win 6 or 7 in a row is pointless. That's not what your dreams should be.

Seafoid, relax these things happen in cycles.  ;)
Kondratiev cycles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kondratiev_wave

Based on Kondratiev Mayo's time may be coming around again soon ;)

The problem with our cycles are they reach maturity with out a AI title on a product life cycle. We even had a extended maturity stage with this group.

(https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/tutor2u-media/subjects/business/diagrams/marketing-product-lifecycle-overview.jpg?mtime=20150313144620)

Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: blanketattack on February 15, 2019, 04:35:49 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
Dublin have currently won 26 games in a row . The most that Kerry group managed was 19.

When Dublin pick up Sam this year they will be probably have won 34 games in a row. The equivalent of 8 AIs for Kerry in the 70s/80s.

They currently have only lost 2 games in 36 matches. That is the greatest legacy of all time.

By my maths, Dublin won 15 in a row currently.
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: craicwas90 on February 15, 2019, 04:48:51 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on February 15, 2019, 04:35:49 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
Dublin have currently won 26 games in a row . The most that Kerry group managed was 19.

When Dublin pick up Sam this year they will be probably have won 34 games in a row. The equivalent of 8 AIs for Kerry in the 70s/80s.

They currently have only lost 2 games in 36 matches. That is the greatest legacy of all time.

By my maths, Dublin won 15 in a row currently.

0 games in a row if its League and Championship!
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: Crete Boom on February 15, 2019, 09:20:19 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 05:25:30 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 01:16:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
Dublin have currently won 26 games in a row . The most that Kerry group managed was 19.

When Dublin pick up Sam this year they will be probably have won 34 games in a row. The equivalent of 8 AIs for Kerry in the 70s/80s.

They currently have only lost 2 games in 36 matches. That is the greatest legacy of all time.

If Kildare had the pick of 1.2 m people and more money than everyone else they would have won as much, more than likely

It's Kildare......

When did you join the revolution?

Maybe last year some time. Mayo gave the illusion of competition. 
If any other team other than Mayo (or Kildare) had played the Dubs in 3 finals would they not have won 1 of them ? I dunno


I think there is a strong case for counties boycotting the competition now until the GAA restructures it.

Watching the dubs win 6 or 7 in a row is pointless. That's not what your dreams should be.

Dublin played and beat the current Mayo team in 3 finals, do you honestly think the current Galway team would beaten them in those finals or even have gotten as close to them as Mayo did?
Galway had their chance in the semi-final last year and on evidence of that game I personally don't think Galway are able to match what Mayo did in 2013,2015,2016 & 2017 against the Dubs at the moment!
I honestly I am not sure if the current reloaded Mayo team will be up to it this year either!!!
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: From the Bunker on February 15, 2019, 11:09:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 05:25:30 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 01:16:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
Dublin have currently won 26 games in a row . The most that Kerry group managed was 19.

When Dublin pick up Sam this year they will be probably have won 34 games in a row. The equivalent of 8 AIs for Kerry in the 70s/80s.

They currently have only lost 2 games in 36 matches. That is the greatest legacy of all time.

If Kildare had the pick of 1.2 m people and more money than everyone else they would have won as much, more than likely

It's Kildare......

When did you join the revolution?

Maybe last year some time. Mayo gave the illusion of competition. 
If any other team other than Mayo (or Kildare) had played the Dubs in 3 finals would they not have won 1 of them ? I dunno

I think there is a strong case for counties boycotting the competition now until the GAA restructures it.

Watching the dubs win 6 or 7 in a row is pointless. That's not what your dreams should be.

Boycotting? We have been 15 years watching Leinster crumble. The Delaney Cup used to be a goal for most Leinster counties.  Now most look to see if they have avoided Dublin on their side of the draw. Leinster Finals are a one sided embarrassment. No one has shouted halt. Year after year the Leinster board voted for Dublin to have home games, so their respective county boards could receive crumbs from the table.

15 years of this Bullshit and no talk of Boycotting or looking at the problem?
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: seafoid on February 15, 2019, 11:40:39 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on February 15, 2019, 09:20:19 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 05:25:30 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 01:16:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
Dublin have currently won 26 games in a row . The most that Kerry group managed was 19.

When Dublin pick up Sam this year they will be probably have won 34 games in a row. The equivalent of 8 AIs for Kerry in the 70s/80s.

They currently have only lost 2 games in 36 matches. That is the greatest legacy of all time.

If Kildare had the pick of 1.2 m people and more money than everyone else they would have won as much, more than likely

It's Kildare......

When did you join the revolution?

Maybe last year some time. Mayo gave the illusion of competition. 
If any other team other than Mayo (or Kildare) had played the Dubs in 3 finals would they not have won 1 of them ? I dunno


I think there is a strong case for counties boycotting the competition now until the GAA restructures it.

Watching the dubs win 6 or 7 in a row is pointless. That's not what your dreams should be.

Dublin played and beat the current Mayo team in 3 finals, do you honestly think the current Galway team would beaten them in those finals or even have gotten as close to them as Mayo did?
Galway had their chance in the semi-final last year and on evidence of that game I personally don't think Galway are able to match what Mayo did in 2013,2015,2016 & 2017 against the Dubs at the moment!
I honestly I am not sure if the current reloaded Mayo team will be up to it this year either!!!

Galway are not up to scratch yet. Say Down or Meath had been at Mayo's level. Would they have lost 3 finals  to the Dubs by 1 point?
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: From the Bunker on February 15, 2019, 11:56:54 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 15, 2019, 11:40:39 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on February 15, 2019, 09:20:19 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 05:25:30 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 01:16:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
Dublin have currently won 26 games in a row . The most that Kerry group managed was 19.

When Dublin pick up Sam this year they will be probably have won 34 games in a row. The equivalent of 8 AIs for Kerry in the 70s/80s.

They currently have only lost 2 games in 36 matches. That is the greatest legacy of all time.

If Kildare had the pick of 1.2 m people and more money than everyone else they would have won as much, more than likely

It's Kildare......

When did you join the revolution?

Maybe last year some time. Mayo gave the illusion of competition. 
If any other team other than Mayo (or Kildare) had played the Dubs in 3 finals would they not have won 1 of them ? I dunno


I think there is a strong case for counties boycotting the competition now until the GAA restructures it.

Watching the dubs win 6 or 7 in a row is pointless. That's not what your dreams should be.

Dublin played and beat the current Mayo team in 3 finals, do you honestly think the current Galway team would beaten them in those finals or even have gotten as close to them as Mayo did?
Galway had their chance in the semi-final last year and on evidence of that game I personally don't think Galway are able to match what Mayo did in 2013,2015,2016 & 2017 against the Dubs at the moment!
I honestly I am not sure if the current reloaded Mayo team will be up to it this year either!!!

Galway are not up to scratch yet. Say Down or Meath had been at Mayo's level. Would they have lost 3 finals  to the Dubs by 1 point?

They never would have! Meath teams are never beaten and Down always win All Ireland finals.

"Give a man a reputation as an early riser and he can sleep 'til noon."

― Mark Twain
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 16, 2019, 12:10:18 AM
Quote from: easytiger95 on February 15, 2019, 11:23:19 AM
Quote from: weareros on February 14, 2019, 02:12:09 PM
At the end of the day, you ask the likes of Mike Sheehy how many All-Irelands he won and he can show you 8, same for a lot of the rest of that great Kerry team. They also won the majority (exception 1980) of those All-Irelands in style, whereas Dublin scraped past the post. 5 in a row won't make Dublin a greater team.

Jesus, the ignorance - ask the likes of Cluxton, O'Sullivan and McCarthy how many do they have and they will say six and gunning for seven. Huge difference, eh?
The vital difference, my erudite friend, is that Kerry played on a level pitch with every other county.
They didn't have the benefits of state of the art physical training or sports psychology either. Come to think of it, they didn't have the combined total of 16 other counties to choose from either and more importantly perhaps, the national resources of 50% of it s resources either. (BTW, Simon Coveney said that first, not me.)
I am not being anti-Dublin for the sake of it when I say this.
But I defer to the judgement of Mick O'Dwyer on the subject. (Well, he would say this, wouldn't he?)
According to Micko, the greatest team of all time should compete on equal terms with at least one other side. Kerry beat the socks off all comers during their reign and Dublin...?
What about Mayo? With roughly one tenth of Dublin's population and with tremendous travelling issues, they did remarkably well , didn't they?
So, Dublin may well pull clear of all others in this years championships and all along the route to it and that would mean at least two years clear of the rest. I would be willing to consider them to be the best then but I will wait until and, more importantly, if, that should happen. until then, I'll not commit myself to anything.
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: easytiger95 on February 18, 2019, 10:50:17 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 16, 2019, 12:10:18 AM
Quote from: easytiger95 on February 15, 2019, 11:23:19 AM
Quote from: weareros on February 14, 2019, 02:12:09 PM
At the end of the day, you ask the likes of Mike Sheehy how many All-Irelands he won and he can show you 8, same for a lot of the rest of that great Kerry team. They also won the majority (exception 1980) of those All-Irelands in style, whereas Dublin scraped past the post. 5 in a row won't make Dublin a greater team.

Jesus, the ignorance - ask the likes of Cluxton, O'Sullivan and McCarthy how many do they have and they will say six and gunning for seven. Huge difference, eh?
The vital difference, my erudite friend, is that Kerry played on a level pitch with every other county.
They didn't have the benefits of state of the art physical training or sports psychology either. Come to think of it, they didn't have the combined total of 16 other counties to choose from either and more importantly perhaps, the national resources of 50% of it s resources either. (BTW, Simon Coveney said that first, not me.)
I am not being anti-Dublin for the sake of it when I say this.
But I defer to the judgement of Mick O'Dwyer on the subject. (Well, he would say this, wouldn't he?)
According to Micko, the greatest team of all time should compete on equal terms with at least one other side. Kerry beat the socks off all comers during their reign and Dublin...?
What about Mayo? With roughly one tenth of Dublin's population and with tremendous travelling issues, they did remarkably well , didn't they?
So, Dublin may well pull clear of all others in this years championships and all along the route to it and that would mean at least two years clear of the rest. I would be willing to consider them to be the best then but I will wait until and, more importantly, if, that should happen. until then, I'll not commit myself to anything.

Micko was not talking about financial issues or playing population. He was talking about how a great team must be pushed and defined by the other 15 players on the field. And so, his great Kerry sides had Dublin, Offaly, Cork and Offaly as foils.

Since Dublin won in 2011 - beating Kerry by a point, they have won all the All Irelands up to last year's final by no more than 3 points, and been involved in replays for semi finals and finals. Along the way, they have participated in at least three games (v Kerry 2013, v Donegal 2014, final v Mayo in 2017) that have legitimate claims to be amongst the greatest ever played.

Between 2011 and 2015 Kerry, Mayo, Donegal all would have counted themselves as All Ireland contenders or favourites alongside Dublin. Donegal burned out (as happens to smaller counties where gifted generations come along - see Donegal 1992) and Kerry have gone into a period of transition (as happened between 86 and 97 - but it looks like it will be a lot shorter this time and they are only 4 years away from their last AI win) and Mayo, as is constantly said here, and amongst many Dublin fans, could have beaten us at least three times during the 7 games we played from 2012 onwards rather than the once that they actually did (which was another classic of a game).

So, rather than acknowledge the psychological failings of your own team, you enlist the paraphrased thoughts of Mick O'Dwyer (a man who never saw a challenge he couldn't best, a man who dedicated his life to maximising the resources at his disposal, and to proving the fallibility of Dublin) to say that you never could have won, that the game was stacked and that life just isn't fair.

Well life isn't fair, and the best way to learn this, usually, is to participate in or at least follow sports. I'd recommend you start doing that seriously.

I sometimes think it would have been better for us if you had won one of the those All Ireland finals - you would have been killed telling us for years that you beat the best team of all time.

As for my erudition, I save that for the arguments that deserve its employment. Yours, unfortunately, doesn't and never has.
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: From the Bunker on February 18, 2019, 11:40:11 AM
1974–75 – Meath 0–16 Dublin 1–9
1975–76 – Dublin 2–10 Derry 0–15
1976–77 – Kerry 1–8 Dublin 1–6
1977–78 – Dublin 2–18 Mayo 2–13
1978–79 – Roscommon 0–15 Cork 1–3
1979–80 – Cork 0–11 Kerry 0–10
1980–81 – Galway 1–11 Roscommon 1–3
1981–82 – Kerry 1–9 Cork 0–5 (replay)
1982–83 – Down 1–8 Armagh 0–8
1983–84 – Kerry 1–11 Galway 0–11
1984–85 – Monaghan 1–11 Armagh 0–9
1985-86 – Laois 2–6 Monaghan 2–5

Kerry appeared in 3 National League finals between 1975 and 1986 - They had to rest for the winter?


2011 – Cork 0-21 Dublin 2-14
2012 – Cork 2-10 Mayo 0-11
2013 – Dublin 0-18 Tyrone 0-17[1]
2014 – Dublin 3-19 Derry 1-10
2015 – Dublin 1-21 Cork 2-7
2016 – Dublin 2-18 Kerry 0-13
2017 – Kerry 0–20 Dublin 1–16
2018 – Dublin 0–18 Galway 0–14

Dublin have appeared in 7 out of 8 National League finals between 2011 and 2018 - No need to rest for the winter?

Dublin have the squad and the set-up to run from League to championship.

This has never happened before!



Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: easytiger95 on February 18, 2019, 02:02:01 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2019, 11:40:11 AM
1974–75 – Meath 0–16 Dublin 1–9
1975–76 – Dublin 2–10 Derry 0–15
1976–77 – Kerry 1–8 Dublin 1–6
1977–78 – Dublin 2–18 Mayo 2–13
1978–79 – Roscommon 0–15 Cork 1–3
1979–80 – Cork 0–11 Kerry 0–10
1980–81 – Galway 1–11 Roscommon 1–3
1981–82 – Kerry 1–9 Cork 0–5 (replay)
1982–83 – Down 1–8 Armagh 0–8
1983–84 – Kerry 1–11 Galway 0–11
1984–85 – Monaghan 1–11 Armagh 0–9
1985-86 – Laois 2–6 Monaghan 2–5

Kerry appeared in 3 National League finals between 1975 and 1986 - They had to rest for the winter?


2011 – Cork 0-21 Dublin 2-14
2012 – Cork 2-10 Mayo 0-11
2013 – Dublin 0-18 Tyrone 0-17[1]
2014 – Dublin 3-19 Derry 1-10
2015 – Dublin 1-21 Cork 2-7
2016 – Dublin 2-18 Kerry 0-13
2017 – Kerry 0–20 Dublin 1–16
2018 – Dublin 0–18 Galway 0–14

Dublin have appeared in 7 out of 8 National League finals between 2011 and 2018 - No need to rest for the winter?

Dublin have the squad and the set-up to run from League to championship.

This has never happened before!

If you read any of the books from the members of that Kerry team, and Tom Humphries history of the rivalry "Dublin v Kerry", you'd know that resting during the League was exactly what both teams did.

During the period you are erroneously claiming knowledge of, the League was a far less prestigious competition than it became in the early 90s and then again from the late noughties onward. Check out the amount of date changes of the league final from those periods - it was often postponed due to format changes (it was a constant debate as to when the League should actually take place, precisely because the GAA wanted teams to take it more seriously), weather delays etc (pitches were a state back then).

The Kerry and Dublin teams of the time were far more concerned about the All Star Trips that led to matches like the Sister Consilio massacre in New York than league games that were much more about blooding young fellas than they are now (even though that is still a big trend).

Players like Paidi always started getting themselves "ready for Dwyer" as he put it with an eye on the Championship, not the League.

As for modern day Dublin, it is no secret that Gilroy and Gavin afterwards took a lot of inspiration from Brian Cody (who actually has 9 League titles, so this has happened before), in that he thought doing well in the League was essential for success later on in the year. So from a time in the late noughties when we spent a season in Division 2 under Piller, when Gilroy came in be made the League title a priority.

So you can see, you are actually comparing apples with oranges. As I advised before, you should actually start supporting the game seriously, which includes appreciating the history and context of the achievements of previous generations. Otherwise you end up eating orange pie. Enjoy.

Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: tonto1888 on February 19, 2019, 07:06:55 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 16, 2019, 12:10:18 AM
Quote from: easytiger95 on February 15, 2019, 11:23:19 AM
Quote from: weareros on February 14, 2019, 02:12:09 PM
At the end of the day, you ask the likes of Mike Sheehy how many All-Irelands he won and he can show you 8, same for a lot of the rest of that great Kerry team. They also won the majority (exception 1980) of those All-Irelands in style, whereas Dublin scraped past the post. 5 in a row won't make Dublin a greater team.

Jesus, the ignorance - ask the likes of Cluxton, O'Sullivan and McCarthy how many do they have and they will say six and gunning for seven. Huge difference, eh?
The vital difference, my erudite friend, is that Kerry played on a level pitch with every other county.
They didn't have the benefits of state of the art physical training or sports psychology either. Come to think of it, they didn't have the combined total of 16 other counties to choose from either and more importantly perhaps, the national resources of 50% of it s resources either. (BTW, Simon Coveney said that first, not me.)
I am not being anti-Dublin for the sake of it when I say this.
But I defer to the judgement of Mick O'Dwyer on the subject. (Well, he would say this, wouldn't he?)
According to Micko, the greatest team of all time should compete on equal terms with at least one other side. Kerry beat the socks off all comers during their reign and Dublin...?
What about Mayo? With roughly one tenth of Dublin's population and with tremendous travelling issues, they did remarkably well , didn't they?
So, Dublin may well pull clear of all others in this years championships and all along the route to it and that would mean at least two years clear of the rest. I would be willing to consider them to be the best then but I will wait until and, more importantly, if, that should happen. until then, I'll not commit myself to anything.

I would argue they werent really on a level playing field with every other county. Certainly not in terms of games to win the all Ireland. 4 games could have seen them win an all Ireland. 4 games to win Ulster if you were in the prelim round
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: seafoid on February 19, 2019, 09:30:22 AM
Quote from: easytiger95 on February 18, 2019, 02:02:01 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2019, 11:40:11 AM
1974–75 – Meath 0–16 Dublin 1–9
1975–76 – Dublin 2–10 Derry 0–15
1976–77 – Kerry 1–8 Dublin 1–6
1977–78 – Dublin 2–18 Mayo 2–13
1978–79 – Roscommon 0–15 Cork 1–3
1979–80 – Cork 0–11 Kerry 0–10
1980–81 – Galway 1–11 Roscommon 1–3
1981–82 – Kerry 1–9 Cork 0–5 (replay)
1982–83 – Down 1–8 Armagh 0–8
1983–84 – Kerry 1–11 Galway 0–11
1984–85 – Monaghan 1–11 Armagh 0–9
1985-86 – Laois 2–6 Monaghan 2–5

Kerry appeared in 3 National League finals between 1975 and 1986 - They had to rest for the winter?


2011 – Cork 0-21 Dublin 2-14
2012 – Cork 2-10 Mayo 0-11
2013 – Dublin 0-18 Tyrone 0-17[1]
2014 – Dublin 3-19 Derry 1-10
2015 – Dublin 1-21 Cork 2-7
2016 – Dublin 2-18 Kerry 0-13
2017 – Kerry 0–20 Dublin 1–16
2018 – Dublin 0–18 Galway 0–14

Dublin have appeared in 7 out of 8 National League finals between 2011 and 2018 - No need to rest for the winter?

Dublin have the squad and the set-up to run from League to championship.

This has never happened before!

If you read any of the books from the members of that Kerry team, and Tom Humphries history of the rivalry "Dublin v Kerry", you'd know that resting during the League was exactly what both teams did.

During the period you are erroneously claiming knowledge of, the League was a far less prestigious competition than it became in the early 90s and then again from the late noughties onward. Check out the amount of date changes of the league final from those periods - it was often postponed due to format changes (it was a constant debate as to when the League should actually take place, precisely because the GAA wanted teams to take it more seriously), weather delays etc (pitches were a state back then).

The Kerry and Dublin teams of the time were far more concerned about the All Star Trips that led to matches like the Sister Consilio massacre in New York than league games that were much more about blooding young fellas than they are now (even though that is still a big trend).

Players like Paidi always started getting themselves "ready for Dwyer" as he put it with an eye on the Championship, not the League.

As for modern day Dublin, it is no secret that Gilroy and Gavin afterwards took a lot of inspiration from Brian Cody (who actually has 9 League titles, so this has happened before), in that he thought doing well in the League was essential for success later on in the year. So from a time in the late noughties when we spent a season in Division 2 under Piller, when Gilroy came in be made the League title a priority.

So you can see, you are actually comparing apples with oranges. As I advised before, you should actually start supporting the game seriously, which includes appreciating the history and context of the achievements of previous generations. Otherwise you end up eating orange pie. Enjoy.

I was thinking about Tom Humphries the other day while reading the Irish times. What a disaster
Has he much left of his sentence ?
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: easytiger95 on February 19, 2019, 10:26:03 AM
It's actually hard to read his stuff now - Dublin v Kerry was a favourite of mine but it is very hard to separate the writer from the writings. Such a terrible crime and such a waste of talent.

I assume he is still inside but it was only a 30 month sentence which was given in Oct 2017. So, he will be out early in 2021 or perhaps before - I don't know if good behaviour applies.
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: Crete Boom on February 19, 2019, 10:39:39 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 15, 2019, 11:40:39 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on February 15, 2019, 09:20:19 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 05:25:30 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 01:16:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2019, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
Dublin have currently won 26 games in a row . The most that Kerry group managed was 19.

When Dublin pick up Sam this year they will be probably have won 34 games in a row. The equivalent of 8 AIs for Kerry in the 70s/80s.

They currently have only lost 2 games in 36 matches. That is the greatest legacy of all time.

If Kildare had the pick of 1.2 m people and more money than everyone else they would have won as much, more than likely

It's Kildare......

When did you join the revolution?

Maybe last year some time. Mayo gave the illusion of competition. 
If any other team other than Mayo (or Kildare) had played the Dubs in 3 finals would they not have won 1 of them ? I dunno


I think there is a strong case for counties boycotting the competition now until the GAA restructures it.

Watching the dubs win 6 or 7 in a row is pointless. That's not what your dreams should be.

Dublin played and beat the current Mayo team in 3 finals, do you honestly think the current Galway team would beaten them in those finals or even have gotten as close to them as Mayo did?
Galway had their chance in the semi-final last year and on evidence of that game I personally don't think Galway are able to match what Mayo did in 2013,2015,2016 & 2017 against the Dubs at the moment!
I honestly I am not sure if the current reloaded Mayo team will be up to it this year either!!!

Galway are not up to scratch yet. Say Down or Meath had been at Mayo's level. Would they have lost 3 finals  to the Dubs by 1 point?

If they were only up to Mayo's level yes the result would be the same because Dublin would still be a level above! It is not the good old days anymore Seaf, the old narratives of Mayo can't win in Croke park (they actually play better there now), Meath are never beaten(well they are a lot and by a lot), Down never lose finals(they did to Cork) and Galway are a Croke park team(they have only won one championship game since 2001 there) are blasted into history by the standards first set by Tyrone and Armagh and carried on by the Dubs!!
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: magpie seanie on February 19, 2019, 11:48:53 AM
Quote from: easytiger95 on February 19, 2019, 10:26:03 AM
It's actually hard to read his stuff now - Dublin v Kerry was a favourite of mine but it is very hard to separate the writer from the writings. Such a terrible crime and such a waste of talent.

I assume he is still inside but it was only a 30 month sentence which was given in Oct 2017. So, he will be out early in 2021 or perhaps before - I don't know if good behaviour applies.

Ya, I can't.
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: seafoid on February 19, 2019, 12:12:35 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on February 19, 2019, 10:26:03 AM
It's actually hard to read his stuff now - Dublin v Kerry was a favourite of mine but it is very hard to separate the writer from the writings. Such a terrible crime and such a waste of talent.

I assume he is still inside but it was only a 30 month sentence which was given in Oct 2017. So, he will be out early in 2021 or perhaps before - I don't know if good behaviour applies.

He was a really good writer and he destroyed his life, the life of his victim and his family. Imagine what his kids went through.
Awful stuff
Will always be remembered as the paedo, as Kimmage wrote .
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: twohands!!! on February 19, 2019, 04:03:30 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on February 18, 2019, 02:02:01 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2019, 11:40:11 AM
1974–75 – Meath 0–16 Dublin 1–9
1975–76 – Dublin 2–10 Derry 0–15
1976–77 – Kerry 1–8 Dublin 1–6
1977–78 – Dublin 2–18 Mayo 2–13
1978–79 – Roscommon 0–15 Cork 1–3
1979–80 – Cork 0–11 Kerry 0–10
1980–81 – Galway 1–11 Roscommon 1–3
1981–82 – Kerry 1–9 Cork 0–5 (replay)
1982–83 – Down 1–8 Armagh 0–8
1983–84 – Kerry 1–11 Galway 0–11
1984–85 – Monaghan 1–11 Armagh 0–9
1985-86 – Laois 2–6 Monaghan 2–5

Kerry appeared in 3 National League finals between 1975 and 1986 - They had to rest for the winter?


2011 – Cork 0-21 Dublin 2-14
2012 – Cork 2-10 Mayo 0-11
2013 – Dublin 0-18 Tyrone 0-17[1]
2014 – Dublin 3-19 Derry 1-10
2015 – Dublin 1-21 Cork 2-7
2016 – Dublin 2-18 Kerry 0-13
2017 – Kerry 0–20 Dublin 1–16
2018 – Dublin 0–18 Galway 0–14

Dublin have appeared in 7 out of 8 National League finals between 2011 and 2018 - No need to rest for the winter?

Dublin have the squad and the set-up to run from League to championship.

This has never happened before!

If you read any of the books from the members of that Kerry team, and Tom Humphries history of the rivalry "Dublin v Kerry", you'd know that resting during the League was exactly what both teams did.

During the period you are erroneously claiming knowledge of, the League was a far less prestigious competition than it became in the early 90s and then again from the late noughties onward. Check out the amount of date changes of the league final from those periods - it was often postponed due to format changes (it was a constant debate as to when the League should actually take place, precisely because the GAA wanted teams to take it more seriously), weather delays etc (pitches were a state back then).

The Kerry and Dublin teams of the time were far more concerned about the All Star Trips that led to matches like the Sister Consilio massacre in New York than league games that were much more about blooding young fellas than they are now (even though that is still a big trend).

Players like Paidi always started getting themselves "ready for Dwyer" as he put it with an eye on the Championship, not the League.

As for modern day Dublin, it is no secret that Gilroy and Gavin afterwards took a lot of inspiration from Brian Cody (who actually has 9 League titles, so this has happened before), in that he thought doing well in the League was essential for success later on in the year. So from a time in the late noughties when we spent a season in Division 2 under Piller, when Gilroy came in be made the League title a priority.

So you can see, you are actually comparing apples with oranges. As I advised before, you should actually start supporting the game seriously, which includes appreciating the history and context of the achievements of previous generations. Otherwise you end up eating orange pie. Enjoy.

There is no comparison whatsoever between the League back then and the League now.
The standard of a huge amount of the games in the league would have been just a notch above pitch opening challenge matches.
Teams might take it some way seriously when a league final rolled around but a huge chunk of the games were not taken seriously at all.
From all the stories I've heard from that era, away games in the league were not that dissimilar from stags nowadays.
There was no social media and any press were invited along and kept schtum about any goings-on.
Supposedly everyone loved to play Offaly because their hospitality was legandary.
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: From the Bunker on April 26, 2019, 06:45:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 12, 2019, 01:32:05 PM
One thing I am going to enjoy this year is watching Kerry. Their fear of losing one of their crowns as having the best team ever (70's/80's) is on the horizon. They will burst a gut to make sure it does not happen both off and on the field.

You can expect the 3 O'Se's, Gooch, Spillane and Liston to up the anti media wise. Ex-Kerry Players will throw in their worth. They ran an excellently orchestrated ''Street wise Mayo'' Campaign in 2014. Worked a treat to. 

They will also back anyone who could get in their way. Any Dublin player who does anything dodgy on or off the field of play will have his offence exaggerated, heavy scrutinised and a call for blood!

Donaghy kicking in with his two pence worth!

''"They will have huge regrets if they don't win it and if they look back and says , 'f**k it, we never reached out the arm to Diarmuid Connolly or we never reached out to Rory O'Carroll.''

http://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/298448?fbclid=IwAR3WlqNV8Q0nWE106WFekf-KkkSXMFwwcX05uk9rJZRoAhEJrxLQ2aEh9cM (http://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/298448?fbclid=IwAR3WlqNV8Q0nWE106WFekf-KkkSXMFwwcX05uk9rJZRoAhEJrxLQ2aEh9cM)
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: Blowitupref on April 26, 2019, 08:04:32 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2019, 06:45:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 12, 2019, 01:32:05 PM
One thing I am going to enjoy this year is watching Kerry. Their fear of losing one of their crowns as having the best team ever (70's/80's) is on the horizon. They will burst a gut to make sure it does not happen both off and on the field.

You can expect the 3 O'Se's, Gooch, Spillane and Liston to up the anti media wise. Ex-Kerry Players will throw in their worth. They ran an excellently orchestrated ''Street wise Mayo'' Campaign in 2014. Worked a treat to. 

They will also back anyone who could get in their way. Any Dublin player who does anything dodgy on or off the field of play will have his offence exaggerated, heavy scrutinised and a call for blood!

Donaghy kicking in with his two pence worth!

''"They will have huge regrets if they don't win it and if they look back and says , 'f**k it, we never reached out the arm to Diarmuid Connolly or we never reached out to Rory O'Carroll.''

http://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/298448?fbclid=IwAR3WlqNV8Q0nWE106WFekf-KkkSXMFwwcX05uk9rJZRoAhEJrxLQ2aEh9cM (http://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/298448?fbclid=IwAR3WlqNV8Q0nWE106WFekf-KkkSXMFwwcX05uk9rJZRoAhEJrxLQ2aEh9cM)

I'm surprised he named Kerry as one of the contenders to stop Dublin. That current Kerry team will do well to avoid another All Ireland quarter final exit.

Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 27, 2019, 02:46:32 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 19, 2019, 07:06:55 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 16, 2019, 12:10:18 AM
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At the end of the day, you ask the likes of Mike Sheehy how many All-Irelands he won and he can show you 8, same for a lot of the rest of that great Kerry team. They also won the majority (exception 1980) of those All-Irelands in style, whereas Dublin scraped past the post. 5 in a row won't make Dublin a greater team.

Jesus, the ignorance - ask the likes of Cluxton, O'Sullivan and McCarthy how many do they have and they will say six and gunning for seven. Huge difference, eh?
The vital difference, my erudite friend, is that Kerry played on a level pitch with every other county.
They didn't have the benefits of state of the art physical training or sports psychology either. Come to think of it, they didn't have the combined total of 16 other counties to choose from either and more importantly perhaps, the national resources of 50% of it s resources either. (BTW, Simon Coveney said that first, not me.)
I am not being anti-Dublin for the sake of it when I say this.
But I defer to the judgement of Mick O'Dwyer on the subject. (Well, he would say this, wouldn't he?)
According to Micko, the greatest team of all time should compete on equal terms with at least one other side. Kerry beat the socks off all comers during their reign and Dublin...?
What about Mayo? With roughly one tenth of Dublin's population and with tremendous travelling issues, they did remarkably well , didn't they?
So, Dublin may well pull clear of all others in this years championships and all along the route to it and that would mean at least two years clear of the rest. I would be willing to consider them to be the best then but I will wait until and, more importantly, if, that should happen. until then, I'll not commit myself to anything.

I would argue they werent really on a level playing field with every other county. Certainly not in terms of games to win the all Ireland. 4 games could have seen them win an all Ireland. 4 games to win Ulster if you were in the prelim round
Sorry, I just spotted this now.
I don't check in on a regular basis.
You are right of course; Kerry had to play fewer games to get to an AI final than Dublin does at the present time.
But I wasn't really referring to the quality of the opposition each team has had to face along their respective routes to the final each year.
I mean Kerry didn't have more money or player numbers than a good number of other counties back in the 70s/80s.
Cork immediately comes to mind. Back then (and probably now) Cork and the greatest number of clubs in the country and, Dublin apart, they had fewer problems in organising collective training sessions.
(That's according to the inimitable Mr. Spillane anyway)
I'm saying Kerry had only the sheer quality of the players to set them apart from all contenders.
On the other hand, Dublin has more of every other thing that it takes to set them in a class apart- if you can follow me here. That's not to say that Dublin aren't a truly exceptional side and, right now, I can't see any other side denying them the historic fifth title.
But you have to remember that Mayo, with only a fraction of all conceivable assets, made them fight all the way whenever they met from 2013 until 2017.
IMO, a generous dollop of good luck and, more importantly, a far stronger subs' bench separated the sides during that period.
I've no doubt that Dublin will become the best side ever but I still agree with Micko on this one. I'll wait until this September at the very earliest before I change my mind.
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 01, 2019, 11:18:02 AM
https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/kearns-believes-history-could-weigh-heavily-on-dublin/ (https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/kearns-believes-history-could-weigh-heavily-on-dublin/)

4 months of this shit......almost hope Dublin do the 5 in a row now...
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: Maroon Manc on May 01, 2019, 02:01:47 PM
Looks like Peter Crowley has done his cruciate, thats a blow to Kerry considering their lack of defensive options.
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: highorlow on May 01, 2019, 03:31:21 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/peter-keane-sees-kerry-s-football-history-bearing-down-on-dublin-1.3875552
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: dublin7 on May 01, 2019, 05:50:05 PM
Quote from: highorlow on May 01, 2019, 03:31:21 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/peter-keane-sees-kerry-s-football-history-bearing-down-on-dublin-1.3875552

Liam Kearns and Aidan O'Mahony all starting this nonsense today as well. Its going to be a long summer if these stories are starting already.
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: seafoid on May 02, 2019, 01:46:06 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/henry-shefflin-says-dublin-will-feel-the-heat-of-five-in-a-row-1.3870488

"I think once it gets to the end, when we get to August or the end of July with the football, that's when the real heat will come on, and that's when it does come into your mind," says Shefflin.
"Up to now it's there, it's in the ether. But I think once you get to the semi-final stage then players' minds come into focus more that that is there. It'll be interesting to see how they manage it."
After losing that 2010 All-Ireland, Shefflin came back to win another three titles with Kilkenny, bringing his tally to a record 10; last March he made it All-Ireland number 14, managing his club Ballyhale Shamrocks to the title he had also won three times as a player.
He suggests part of the challenge for Dublin and Jim Gavin is balancing the motivation with the expectation. "It was a huge motivation for me, definitely," adds Shefflin, speaking in Croke Park at the launch of the Bank of Ireland Celtic Challenge.
"Sure I tried to play [the 2010 final] with no cruciate, and that wasn't a very smart move. Dublin will take it one game at a time, but that's my point. At the early stages it's one game in a row, but then I think once you get to that intensity, and you can see the grandstand finish coming up, that's when it comes more into focus.
"It's about the panel of players as well, and the development of that panel of players is very important. That's the reason we were successful with the club, we had that bit of youth who brought that bit of freshness and enthusiasm to the older players as well, so we got that balance right.
Sometimes when you are going on a successful run you can stay with what you're doing, and it can get a bit stale and that's when you get found out."
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: kerryforsam19 on June 01, 2019, 07:47:33 PM
1-9 to 0-3. Hopefully cork will put up some fight in Munster final.
Title: Re: Kerry's crown under pressure?
Post by: grassHarrow on June 01, 2019, 10:45:22 PM
1.15 to 0.12 final score. Clare dominate most of 2nd half which left a few Kerry lads scratching their heads. 1 Red + 2 Black + a good few yellow.
TOS pulled hamstring in the last few minutes and couldn't be replaced which will add to their walking wounded.
Attendance 5.3K but more like 6.5+K.
Both stands full.