I am a luddite when it comes to cars, it's always just about getting from A to B but thinking about buying a new car so looking for advice..
Thinking SUV or Station Wagon. I coach football and rugby so on the go all year with balls, cones bibs etc. Also have 2 young kids and a dog, so even weekends away require lots of bags.
So really looking for a good sized car/SUV, nice spec but crucially good value to run and maintain.
So if anyone has any suggestions or can point me towards a website it will be much appreciated.
Also is PCP finance a viable option?
Stay away from PCP.
Why take out this sort of finance deal on a product that will deprecate so fast.
Quote from: Hereiam on March 06, 2018, 12:00:08 PM
Stay away from PCP.
Why take out this sort of finance deal on a product that will deprecate so fast.
Does that not apply to any finance deal with regards to new cars, it's a product that depreciates as soon as it leaves the forecourt. You could send 20K cash and in a month it's worth €19500.
I've a Ford Kuga and love it. Good big boot and not bad on fuel. Mine is a 2.0 litre but I see they are doing a 1.5 now also which should be better on fuel.
Great spec on them aswell.
If I was changing car in the morning though I'd probably go for the new Skoda Kodiaq.
Kuga was on my radar, yea don't need a big engine so 1.5 would be good. Will check out the Skoda Kodiaq. Cheers
Depending how young the kids are Dinny consider the leather upgrade interior on a car. The shit they leave behind on a cloth upholstery is just never gonna come out.
Not sure if Toyota are doing much business over there but they're the absolute leader here from a resale point of value. Was shown a highlander recently and it had a lot going for it on the inside, outside just wasn't what I was looking for.
That skoda looks nicely set up as well.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 06, 2018, 12:14:22 PM
Kuga was on my radar, yea don't need a big engine so 1.5 would be good. Will check out the Skoda Kodiaq. Cheers
Would concur with Laoislad on the Kodiak - fine looking vehicle.
In a similar situation but maybe not going "new" new.
Skoda maybe a bit too recent. Herself has picked out a Hyundai Tuscon. It's a 1.7 Diesel and seems to be well specced. Planning a test drive in coming days.
Honda CRV is also on the agenda but pricey enough.
/Jim.
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on March 06, 2018, 01:22:47 PM
In a similar situation but maybe not going "new" new.
Skoda maybe a bit too recent. Herself has picked out a Hyundai Tuscon. It's a 1.7 Diesel and seems to be well specced. Planning a test drive in coming days.
Honda CRV is also on the agenda but pricey enough.
/Jim.
Wife also needs a new car and definitely not buying new. 7 seats and grey or silver is the spec she has issued ::)
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 06, 2018, 01:42:49 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on March 06, 2018, 01:22:47 PM
In a similar situation but maybe not going "new" new.
Skoda maybe a bit too recent. Herself has picked out a Hyundai Tuscon. It's a 1.7 Diesel and seems to be well specced. Planning a test drive in coming days.
Honda CRV is also on the agenda but pricey enough.
/Jim.
Wife also needs a new car and definitely not buying new. 7 seats and grey or silver is the spec she has issued ::)
We have already a 7 seater with Toyota Verso. With 4 kids it's not really practical for long journeys. No one wants to sit in back two seats and you have damn all boot.
For long journeys with any kind of luggage we have to take 2 cars. It's worth considering about that if going for 7 seater.
/Jim.
I have the Toyota Rav 4 and I love it 2 years now and no problems at all plenty of room and a reasonable price!
I've a Subaru Outback. Superb car. The all wheel drive is fairly handy too when you've got the conditions you've had in Ireland over the past week!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 06, 2018, 01:42:49 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on March 06, 2018, 01:22:47 PM
In a similar situation but maybe not going "new" new.
Skoda maybe a bit too recent. Herself has picked out a Hyundai Tuscon. It's a 1.7 Diesel and seems to be well specced. Planning a test drive in coming days.
Honda CRV is also on the agenda but pricey enough.
/Jim.
Wife also needs a new car and definitely not buying new. 7 seats and grey or silver is the spec she has issued ::)
I've a Kia Carens 7 seater and its spotty dog for the day to day stuff with all the crew it in (5 kids from 12 down), but no boot of any great significance which can be a problem when taking a double buggy anywhere.
The Hyundai Santa Fe is a good yolk but pricier.
Quote from: screenexile on March 06, 2018, 02:22:44 PM
I have the Toyota Rav 4 and I love it 2 years now and no problems at all plenty of room and a reasonable price!
Same here.
Quote from: sensethetone on March 06, 2018, 03:06:01 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 06, 2018, 02:22:44 PM
I have the Toyota Rav 4 and I love it 2 years now and no problems at all plenty of room and a reasonable price!
Same here.
Been looking at a similar thing myself, SUV of some sort, lookinga t maybe a 2014/2015 or so.
driven the sportage,Qashqai,rav4 & hyundi ix35 . personally prefer the qashqai or the rave 4. the rav 4 would be my pick, but a good bit pricier for the top spec ones.
myself and the just got a pair of ranges rovers . loads of room and much better than last years models, tax is a bit pricy though
I got my wife one of the new model VW Tiguan TDI. Great wee SUV. Plenty of room and great spec.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 06, 2018, 03:17:53 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on March 06, 2018, 03:06:01 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 06, 2018, 02:22:44 PM
I have the Toyota Rav 4 and I love it 2 years now and no problems at all plenty of room and a reasonable price!
Same here.
Been looking at a similar thing myself, SUV of some sort, lookinga t maybe a 2014/2015 or so.
driven the sportage,Qashqai,rav4 & hyundi ix35 . personally prefer the qashqai or the rave 4. the rav 4 would be my pick, but a good bit pricier for the top spec ones.
Anyone any experience of getting one of these brought over from england to the north?
seem a good bit cheaper over there.
Have a look at kia Sorrento. Serious kit built in and a very nice machine
Going to look at a Jeep Cherokee this evening, after being stranded in the house from last Wednesday night until this morning I'm getting a 4x4.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 06, 2018, 04:14:40 PM
Going to look at a Jeep Cherokee this evening, after being stranded in the house from last Wednesday night until this morning I'm getting a 4x4.
Don't touch with a barge pole.
The Cherokee (and most jeeps) get triaged for durability and repairs needed down the line.
Quote from: rosnarun on March 06, 2018, 03:40:03 PM
myself and the just got a pair of ranges rovers . loads of room and much better than last years models, tax is a bit pricy though
Plenty of money out west.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 06, 2018, 04:14:40 PM
Going to look at a Jeep Cherokee this evening, after being stranded in the house from last Wednesday night until this morning I'm getting a 4x4.
You are going to by a 4x4 based on an event thst happens once every 10 years or so?
3 times this year already! Are manual 4 wheel drives an option? She who must be obeyed just informed me she doesn't want an automatic.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 06, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
3 times this year already! Are manual 4 wheel drives an option? She who must be obeyed just informed me she doesn't want an automatic.
Yes but fewer around.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 06, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
3 times this year already! Are manual 4 wheel drives an option? She who must be obeyed just informed me she doesn't want an automatic.
Kia Sorrento and Mitsubishi outlander are reasonable and can be got in 4x4. There not for farmers but might be a decent compromise.
I see you can get manual 4wd Nissan X Trails, anyone any experience of these?
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 06, 2018, 09:56:17 PM
I see you can get manual 4wd Nissan X Trails, anyone any experience of these?
Fella in work has one. I've had a few spins in it and its a nice car with plenty of kit in it for the dough.
Good place to compare vehicles is www.parkers.co.uk.
why would you not go for an estate?
mondeo?
hyundai i40
avensis
I don't get the obsession with these SUVs
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 06, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
3 times this year already! Are manual 4 wheel drives an option? She who must be obeyed just informed me she doesn't want an automatic.
What's the reason for her not wanting an auto？
Has she driven a decent auto before?
I was looking at electric cars. Currently the cost of charging is considerably lower than petrol and the engines are a lot simpler so last longer - 2.5 times longer was quoted. The price would need need to come down though.
Quote from: seafoid on March 07, 2018, 08:45:57 AM
I was looking at electric cars. Currently the cost of charging is considerably lower than petrol and the engines are a lot simpler so last longer - 2.5 times longer was quoted. The price would need need to come down though.
The price will come down but too expensive for me to justify the cost.
Seems like a golden era for Cars except for Jeep Cherokee. Will be busy for the next few weeks.
Quote from: Itchy on March 06, 2018, 10:12:05 PM
Good place to compare vehicles is www.parkers.co.uk.
Will check that out.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 06, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
3 times this year already! Are manual 4 wheel drives an option? She who must be obeyed just informed me she doesn't want an automatic.
She who must be obeyed needs a kick up the arse then Harold
Quote from: Hound on March 07, 2018, 07:23:12 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 06, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
3 times this year already! Are manual 4 wheel drives an option? She who must be obeyed just informed me she doesn't want an automatic.
What's the reason for her not wanting an auto？
Has she driven a decent auto before?
Get her an auto, make her drive it for a few weeks. After she gets used to it she will never want a manual again.
Quote from: Hound on March 07, 2018, 07:23:12 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 06, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
3 times this year already! Are manual 4 wheel drives an option? She who must be obeyed just informed me she doesn't want an automatic.
What's the reason for her not wanting an auto？
Has she driven a decent auto before?
Yes, she had a BMW auto for a while and hated it. Said it was grand for motorway driving but found it poor for short trips and town/city driving. I've never really driven one so can't comment.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 07, 2018, 09:28:21 AM
Quote from: Hound on March 07, 2018, 07:23:12 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 06, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
3 times this year already! Are manual 4 wheel drives an option? She who must be obeyed just informed me she doesn't want an automatic.
What's the reason for her not wanting an auto？
Has she driven a decent auto before?
Yes, she had a BMW auto for a while and hated it. Said it was grand for motorway driving but found it poor for short trips and town/city driving. I've never really driven one so can't comment.
Women......strange creatures.
On the lookout for something with 7 seats myself, thinking about Hyuandai Sante Fe or Kia Sorrento.
Is there anything else I should consider?
Had thought about the Discovery Sport but Ive heard too many horror stories about Land Rovers so Ill give them a miss.
Quote from: awideisneverasgood on March 07, 2018, 10:10:07 AM
On the lookout for something with 7 seats myself, thinking about Hyuandai Sante Fe or Kia Sorrento.
Is there anything else I should consider?
Had thought about the Discovery Sport but Ive heard too many horror stories about Land Rovers so Ill give them a miss.
I had a BMW X5 with 7 seats. Looked great and had fantastic spec. Only down side was the poor MPG.
Quote from: GJL on March 07, 2018, 10:52:02 AM
Quote from: awideisneverasgood on March 07, 2018, 10:10:07 AM
On the lookout for something with 7 seats myself, thinking about Hyuandai Sante Fe or Kia Sorrento.
Is there anything else I should consider?
Had thought about the Discovery Sport but Ive heard too many horror stories about Land Rovers so Ill give them a miss.
I had a BMW X5 with 7 seats. Looked great and had fantastic spec. Only down side was the poor MPG.
The road tax on a X5 must be a good bit north of £500 per year now!
They've also got a bad reputation for tyre wear, have you noticed that.
Was looking at bringing a high spec VW Touareg over from England a few years back but my local mechanic put me off as he said even changing the filter was a nightmare.
the whole benefit of an automatic car is for town driving! That's mad that your Mrs thought the auto was great on the motor ways which is where it doesn't really add any benefit..... anyways
The mini van / people carrier is the way to go with a big family. All the seats and a big boot. There's not an SUV on the market that can come close in boot space. They don't look the best but you can get over that with the comfort and practicality of the car. Prams, bags, sports stuff...all fit in there.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 07, 2018, 09:28:21 AM
Quote from: Hound on March 07, 2018, 07:23:12 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 06, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
3 times this year already! Are manual 4 wheel drives an option? She who must be obeyed just informed me she doesn't want an automatic.
What's the reason for her not wanting an auto？
Has she driven a decent auto before?
Yes, she had a BMW auto for a while and hated it. Said it was grand for motorway driving but found it poor for short trips and town/city driving. I've never really driven one so can't comment.
Jeez, driving in traffic is what really makes an auto stand out for me. If you are stuck in traffic for 30 mins, driving 50 metres every minute type of thing, then the auto is way less tiring and stressful. But each to their own!
Dinny, I wouldnt believe the stories about the Jeep Cherokee. I really like the look of it (esp the Grand), and I'd imagine the bad stories are from years ago.
Likewise, someone else mentioned Landrover's being bad. I've a mate who loves his Discovery Sport, can't speak more highly about it. There's so many of them about I can't believe they are a bad car.
Quote from: Hound on March 07, 2018, 01:29:43 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 07, 2018, 09:28:21 AM
Quote from: Hound on March 07, 2018, 07:23:12 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 06, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
3 times this year already! Are manual 4 wheel drives an option? She who must be obeyed just informed me she doesn't want an automatic.
What's the reason for her not wanting an auto？
Has she driven a decent auto before?
Yes, she had a BMW auto for a while and hated it. Said it was grand for motorway driving but found it poor for short trips and town/city driving. I've never really driven one so can't comment.
Jeez, driving in traffic is what really makes an auto stand out for me. If you are stuck in traffic for 30 mins, driving 50 metres every minute type of thing, then the auto is way less tiring and stressful. But each to their own!
Dinny, I wouldnt believe the stories about the Jeep Cherokee. I really like the look of it (esp the Grand), and I'd imagine the bad stories are from years ago.
Likewise, someone else mentioned Landrover's being bad. I've a mate who loves his Discovery Sport, can't speak more highly about it. There's so many of them about I can't believe they are a bad car.
I do like the look of it too but genuinely haven't a clue but will see what the research says. Will it take one for a test drive.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 07, 2018, 09:28:21 AM
Quote from: Hound on March 07, 2018, 07:23:12 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 06, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
3 times this year already! Are manual 4 wheel drives an option? She who must be obeyed just informed me she doesn't want an automatic.
What's the reason for her not wanting an auto？
Has she driven a decent auto before?
Yes, she had a BMW auto for a while and hated it. Said it was grand for motorway driving but found it poor for short trips and town/city driving. I've never really driven one so can't comment.
I would say the complete opposite. Town driving is perfect for automatics. Cruising on a motorway is ideal for a manual.
do not buy a new car and avoid finance at all costs, complete rip off
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 07, 2018, 01:42:40 PM
I would say the complete opposite. Town driving is perfect for automatics. Cruising on a motorway is ideal for a manual.
Accelerating is where a manual is more enjoyable IMO. Cruising and decelerating I'd prefer auto. And of course the stop/start traffic and town stuff.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 07, 2018, 11:15:46 AM
Quote from: GJL on March 07, 2018, 10:52:02 AM
Quote from: awideisneverasgood on March 07, 2018, 10:10:07 AM
On the lookout for something with 7 seats myself, thinking about Hyuandai Sante Fe or Kia Sorrento.
Is there anything else I should consider?
Had thought about the Discovery Sport but Ive heard too many horror stories about Land Rovers so Ill give them a miss.
I had a BMW X5 with 7 seats. Looked great and had fantastic spec. Only down side was the poor MPG.
The road tax on a X5 must be a good bit north of £500 per year now!
They've also got a bad reputation for tyre wear, have you noticed that.
Was looking at bringing a high spec VW Touareg over from England a few years back but my local mechanic put me off as he said even changing the filter was a nightmare.
Rented an X3 with 150 miles on the clock in Scotland , Got a puncture before I hit 200 miles . Runflat tires TG but no spare , I could not get a spare between Inverness and Glasgow airport abd even if I had it would have been £400 to replace,
Kinds put iff the X series a bit
Quote from: rosnarun on March 07, 2018, 02:39:34 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 07, 2018, 11:15:46 AM
Quote from: GJL on March 07, 2018, 10:52:02 AM
Quote from: awideisneverasgood on March 07, 2018, 10:10:07 AM
On the lookout for something with 7 seats myself, thinking about Hyuandai Sante Fe or Kia Sorrento.
Is there anything else I should consider?
Had thought about the Discovery Sport but Ive heard too many horror stories about Land Rovers so Ill give them a miss.
I had a BMW X5 with 7 seats. Looked great and had fantastic spec. Only down side was the poor MPG.
The road tax on a X5 must be a good bit north of £500 per year now!
They've also got a bad reputation for tyre wear, have you noticed that.
Was looking at bringing a high spec VW Touareg over from England a few years back but my local mechanic put me off as he said even changing the filter was a nightmare.
Rented an X3 with 150 miles on the clock in Scotland , Got a puncture before I hit 200 miles . Runflat tires TG but no spare , I could not get a spare between Inverness and Glasgow airport abd even if I had it would have been £400 to replace,
Kinds put iff the X series a bit
Plus they are pointless and they are ugly as sin. Other than that great job ;D
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 07, 2018, 01:34:43 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 07, 2018, 01:29:43 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 07, 2018, 09:28:21 AM
Quote from: Hound on March 07, 2018, 07:23:12 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 06, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
3 times this year already! Are manual 4 wheel drives an option? She who must be obeyed just informed me she doesn't want an automatic.
What's the reason for her not wanting an auto？
Has she driven a decent auto before?
Yes, she had a BMW auto for a while and hated it. Said it was grand for motorway driving but found it poor for short trips and town/city driving. I've never really driven one so can't comment.
Jeez, driving in traffic is what really makes an auto stand out for me. If you are stuck in traffic for 30 mins, driving 50 metres every minute type of thing, then the auto is way less tiring and stressful. But each to their own!
Dinny, I wouldnt believe the stories about the Jeep Cherokee. I really like the look of it (esp the Grand), and I'd imagine the bad stories are from years ago.
Likewise, someone else mentioned Landrover's being bad. I've a mate who loves his Discovery Sport, can't speak more highly about it. There's so many of them about I can't believe they are a bad car.
I do like the look of it too but genuinely haven't a clue but will see what the research says. Will it take one for a test drive.
Had a look at a Jeep Cherokee last night, it is a very nice vehicle, the only drawback is that is has a quite small boot.
I'm going to check out a 2017 Nissan X Trail 1.6 DCI N-Vision 5dr 4WD this evening, it has low mileage and is quite reasonably priced.
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on March 07, 2018, 02:32:21 PM
do not buy a new car and avoid finance at all costs, complete rip off
Buy new and deal hard... nothing like collection day for a new car ;D
On another note if you a looking for a new sporty saloon with a big boot, the new M5 is quite phenomenal :)
Quote from: thebigfella on March 07, 2018, 08:27:57 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on March 07, 2018, 02:32:21 PM
do not buy a new car and avoid finance at all costs, complete rip off
Buy new and deal hard... nothing like collection day for a new car ;D
On another note if you a looking for a new sporty saloon with a big boot, the new M5 is quite phenomenal :)
If you need a big boot I would recommend an Audi RS6 Avante.
I brought a second hand car in from the UK recently. More hassle and either you or someone else needs to know a bit about cars but excellent value even when you factor in VRT, flight, ferry etc. I even got a warranty that's effective over here. I think in NI the cross border factor is priced in so cars aren't as good value.
PCP is very expensive. You're paying a high premium for certainty in regards anything going wrong and of course the removal of hassle of resale or getting done on a trade in.
The car I bought up North was the same price as similar in England. It was less than 1 year old, so maybe that made a difference.
Quote from: GJL on March 08, 2018, 09:42:22 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on March 07, 2018, 08:27:57 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on March 07, 2018, 02:32:21 PM
do not buy a new car and avoid finance at all costs, complete rip off
Buy new and deal hard... nothing like collection day for a new car ;D
On another note if you a looking for a new sporty saloon with a big boot, the new M5 is quite phenomenal :)
If you need a big boot I would recommend an Audi RS6 Avante.
If you need a big boot and a reliable, cheap to run car, look no further than the Skoda Superb. High end spec without the luxury price tag.
Quote from: NAG1 on March 07, 2018, 03:10:23 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on March 07, 2018, 02:39:34 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 07, 2018, 11:15:46 AM
Quote from: GJL on March 07, 2018, 10:52:02 AM
Quote from: awideisneverasgood on March 07, 2018, 10:10:07 AM
On the lookout for something with 7 seats myself, thinking about Hyuandai Sante Fe or Kia Sorrento.
Is there anything else I should consider?
Had thought about the Discovery Sport but Ive heard too many horror stories about Land Rovers so Ill give them a miss.
I had a BMW X5 with 7 seats. Looked great and had fantastic spec. Only down side was the poor MPG.
The road tax on a X5 must be a good bit north of £500 per year now!
They've also got a bad reputation for tyre wear, have you noticed that.
Was looking at bringing a high spec VW Touareg over from England a few years back but my local mechanic put me off as he said even changing the filter was a nightmare.
Rented an X3 with 150 miles on the clock in Scotland , Got a puncture before I hit 200 miles . Runflat tires TG but no spare , I could not get a spare between Inverness and Glasgow airport abd even if I had it would have been £400 to replace,
Kinds put iff the X series a bit
Plus they are pointless and they are ugly as sin. Other than that great job ;D
Pretty much all BMWs are as ugly as fcuk nowadays.
An astute business person once told me to "Never own anything that reduces in value" ... a car fits into this perfectly.
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 08, 2018, 10:18:24 AM
I brought a second hand car in from the UK recently. More hassle and either you or someone else needs to know a bit about cars but excellent value even when you factor in VRT, flight, ferry etc. I even got a warranty that's effective over here. I think in NI the cross border factor is priced in so cars aren't as good value.
PCP is very expensive. You're paying a high premium for certainty in regards anything going wrong and of course the removal of hassle of resale or getting done on a trade in.
Not so great deals if you are buying a 4x4 due to higher emissions.
Anyone any experience of the older Volvo XC90? The missus has to travel hill and glen to work and the roads are shite so a 7-seat 4x4 is the answer but I don't want to spend big money on anything this year, so would buy one to do a few years if in decent nick around the £10k mark.
Quote from: balladmaker on March 08, 2018, 12:39:08 PM
An astute business person once told me to "Never own anything that reduces in value" ... a car fits into this perfectly.
Anyone got a car on PCH Personal Contract Hire? Views?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 08, 2018, 01:52:13 PM
Anyone any experience of the older Volvo XC90? The missus has to travel hill and glen to work and the roads are shite so a 7-seat 4x4 is the answer but I don't want to spend big money on anything this year, so would buy one to do a few years if in decent nick around the £10k mark.
There are a few on here:
https://www.usedcarsni.com/search_results.php?make=33&model=17108899&fuel_type=0&trans_type=0&age_from=0&age_to=0&price_from=0&price_to=0&user_type=0&mileage_to=0&keywords=&distance_enabled=1&distance_postcode=&homepage_search_attr=1&search_type=1&car_class=
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 08, 2018, 01:52:13 PM
Anyone any experience of the older Volvo XC90? The missus has to travel hill and glen to work and the roads are shite so a 7-seat 4x4 is the answer but I don't want to spend big money on anything this year, so would buy one to do a few years if in decent nick around the £10k mark.
We got an XC60 before Christmas. 2016. To be honest I'm a bit disappointed with it. Seems very hard on the diesel (Which I know is common enough for a SUV) and wasn't great in the snow. Looks well but there's been a few minor niggly things that annoy me driving it. Nothing major but when you put them together is slightly disappointing.
Quote from: shezam on March 08, 2018, 01:53:12 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on March 08, 2018, 12:39:08 PM
An astute business person once told me to "Never own anything that reduces in value" ... a car fits into this perfectly.
Anyone got a car on PCH Personal Contract Hire? Views?
Great way to buy a car. You have a fixed monthly payment and no worry about depreciation. You can add in maintenance if you want. Only two worries, get the annual mileage right in the beginning as penalties can be paid if you exceed it between 6 and 10p per excess mile. The second is keeping it in good shape during rental period as it will be examined at the end - less of a problem with a leasing company than with a franchise who might consider some wear and tear as damage. There are some great deals with PCH if you are ready to go, always set the mileage as high as possible to prevent excess payments. Road tax is always included in the payment as the vehicle is never yours.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 08, 2018, 01:52:13 PM
Anyone any experience of the older Volvo XC90? The missus has to travel hill and glen to work and the roads are shite so a 7-seat 4x4 is the answer but I don't want to spend big money on anything this year, so would buy one to do a few years if in decent nick around the £10k mark.
Have one myself Tony, Workhorse. 2.5 tonne steel rollcage so great safety aspect in terms of shipping the kids about, however as expected it is heavy on the ol juice and Road tax aint cheap. Your talking circa 2011 for 10kish. You'll be able to pick up a very decent XC90 at that price. Becaue of the weight the brakes / Pedal handbrake kit need abit more careful attention more often than not. I really love it but will be trading in soon to soemthing abit cheaper to run.
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on March 08, 2018, 04:49:35 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 08, 2018, 01:52:13 PM
Anyone any experience of the older Volvo XC90? The missus has to travel hill and glen to work and the roads are shite so a 7-seat 4x4 is the answer but I don't want to spend big money on anything this year, so would buy one to do a few years if in decent nick around the £10k mark.
Have one myself Tony, Workhorse. 2.5 tonne steel rollcage so great safety aspect in terms of shipping the kids about, however as expected it is heavy on the ol juice and Road tax aint cheap. Your talking circa 2011 for 10kish. You'll be able to pick up a very decent XC90 at that price. Becaue of the weight the brakes / Pedal handbrake kit need abit more careful attention more often than not. I really love it but will be trading in soon to soemthing abit cheaper to run.
Cheers. How heavy on the juice?
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on March 08, 2018, 03:40:51 PM
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Quote from: balladmaker on March 08, 2018, 12:39:08 PM
An astute business person once told me to "Never own anything that reduces in value" ... a car fits into this perfectly.
Anyone got a car on PCH Personal Contract Hire? Views?
Great way to buy a car. You have a fixed monthly payment and no worry about depreciation. You can add in maintenance if you want. Only two worries, get the annual mileage right in the beginning as penalties can be paid if you exceed it between 6 and 10p per excess mile. The second is keeping it in good shape during rental period as it will be examined at the end - less of a problem with a leasing company than with a franchise who might consider some wear and tear as damage. There are some great deals with PCH if you are ready to go, always set the mileage as high as possible to prevent excess payments. Road tax is always included in the payment as the vehicle is never yours.
this post has to be a wind up?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 08, 2018, 06:15:34 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on March 08, 2018, 04:49:35 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 08, 2018, 01:52:13 PM
Anyone any experience of the older Volvo XC90? The missus has to travel hill and glen to work and the roads are shite so a 7-seat 4x4 is the answer but I don't want to spend big money on anything this year, so would buy one to do a few years if in decent nick around the £10k mark.
Have one myself Tony, Workhorse. 2.5 tonne steel rollcage so great safety aspect in terms of shipping the kids about, however as expected it is heavy on the ol juice and Road tax aint cheap. Your talking circa 2011 for 10kish. You'll be able to pick up a very decent XC90 at that price. Becaue of the weight the brakes / Pedal handbrake kit need abit more careful attention more often than not. I really love it but will be trading in soon to soemthing abit cheaper to run.
Cheers. How heavy on the juice?
The official stats if 33/34 mpg on motorway and early to mid 20s arsing about are almost bang on.
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on March 08, 2018, 09:10:26 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 08, 2018, 06:15:34 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on March 08, 2018, 04:49:35 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 08, 2018, 01:52:13 PM
Anyone any experience of the older Volvo XC90? The missus has to travel hill and glen to work and the roads are shite so a 7-seat 4x4 is the answer but I don't want to spend big money on anything this year, so would buy one to do a few years if in decent nick around the £10k mark.
Have one myself Tony, Workhorse. 2.5 tonne steel rollcage so great safety aspect in terms of shipping the kids about, however as expected it is heavy on the ol juice and Road tax aint cheap. Your talking circa 2011 for 10kish. You'll be able to pick up a very decent XC90 at that price. Becaue of the weight the brakes / Pedal handbrake kit need abit more careful attention more often than not. I really love it but will be trading in soon to soemthing abit cheaper to run.
Cheers. How heavy on the juice?
The official stats if 33/34 mpg on motorway and early to mid 20s arsing about are almost bang on.
Hmmm that's off-putting I have to say. Thanks for the tip off.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 06, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
3 times this year already! Are manual 4 wheel drives an option? She who must be obeyed just informed me she doesn't want an automatic.
Think when people say that, is because never driven an automatic!
Quote from: CiKe on March 08, 2018, 10:29:34 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 06, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
3 times this year already! Are manual 4 wheel drives an option? She who must be obeyed just informed me she doesn't want an automatic.
Think when people say that, is because never driven an automatic!
Agree. Once you get an automatic you wonder why you ever bothered with a manual
They practically drive themselves. Simple to drive just get used to not using your left foot.
Quote from: snoopdog on March 09, 2018, 07:50:08 PM
Quote from: CiKe on March 08, 2018, 10:29:34 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 06, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
3 times this year already! Are manual 4 wheel drives an option? She who must be obeyed just informed me she doesn't want an automatic.
Think when people say that, is because never driven an automatic!
Agree. Once you get an automatic you wonder why you ever bothered with a manual
They practically drive themselves. Simple to drive just get used to not using your left foot
Some of us are committed left footers.
My Golf auto also has adaptive cruise control and in combination it can almost drive itself, braking, accelerating, changing up and down itself. It is great when on some of our crowded roads where speeds are usually well below the limited and the traffic speeds up and slows down. The ACC keeps the car a safe distance from the vehicle in front and is a great safety device.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 09, 2018, 10:32:21 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 09, 2018, 07:50:08 PM
Quote from: CiKe on March 08, 2018, 10:29:34 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 06, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
3 times this year already! Are manual 4 wheel drives an option? She who must be obeyed just informed me she doesn't want an automatic.
Think when people say that, is because never driven an automatic!
Agree. Once you get an automatic you wonder why you ever bothered with a manual
They practically drive themselves. Simple to drive just get used to not using your left foot
Some of us are committed left footers.
Yep. Don't want to lose that muscle tone built up over many years.
Quote from: hardstation on March 09, 2018, 10:54:38 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on March 09, 2018, 10:43:54 PM
My Golf auto also has adaptive cruise control and in combination it can almost drive itself, braking, accelerating, changing up and down itself. It is great when on some of our crowded roads where speeds are usually well below the limited and the traffic speeds up and slows down. The ACC keeps the car a safe distance from the vehicle in front and is a great safety device.
Christ, that'd take a bit of getting used to. I'd be hovering the foot over the brake.
The roads will be full of autonomous vehicles in our lifetime.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 09, 2018, 10:58:33 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 09, 2018, 10:54:38 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on March 09, 2018, 10:43:54 PM
My Golf auto also has adaptive cruise control and in combination it can almost drive itself, braking, accelerating, changing up and down itself. It is great when on some of our crowded roads where speeds are usually well below the limited and the traffic speeds up and slows down. The ACC keeps the car a safe distance from the vehicle in front and is a great safety device.
Christ, that'd take a bit of getting used to. I'd be hovering the foot over the brake.
The roads will be full of autonomous vehicles in our lifetime.
You can get very used to it. I head out the road, set the max speed to 60 and keep in the line of traffic I can accelerate away if I wish but no point unless vehicle in front is on its own. When I get to dual or motorway raise speed setting to 70 and use ACC to keep distance or accelerate to pass slower vehicles.
Usually turn it off when heavy rain or slippery as it keeps the brake primed and a slight touch is only needed with the usual push length removed.
Often lose the nerve to allow it to stop suddenly when you come up behind a slow mover.
Overall a great addition I would always want as a safety device in a car.
In the process of buying a Kia Optima (17 car, ex-demo).
Any experience of them, it's a 1.7 Diesel manual.
/Jim.
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on April 10, 2018, 10:59:46 AM
In the process of buying a Kia Optima (17 car, ex-demo).
Any experience of them, it's a 1.7 Diesel manual.
/Jim.
A mate had one as a company car, he loved it. Said it was one of the best cars he ever drove.
Quote from: paddyjohn on April 10, 2018, 12:03:02 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on April 10, 2018, 10:59:46 AM
In the process of buying a Kia Optima (17 car, ex-demo).
Any experience of them, it's a 1.7 Diesel manual.
/Jim.
A mate had one as a company car, he loved it. Said it was one of the best cars he ever drove.
I had one for a couple of months as a courtesy car, great to drive but the one they gave me was a hybrid was a nightmare, only last extremely expensive on juice once the 28 miles it did on electric ran out.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 10, 2018, 12:12:05 PM
Quote from: paddyjohn on April 10, 2018, 12:03:02 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on April 10, 2018, 10:59:46 AM
In the process of buying a Kia Optima (17 car, ex-demo).
Any experience of them, it's a 1.7 Diesel manual.
/Jim.
A mate had one as a company car, he loved it. Said it was one of the best cars he ever drove.
I had one for a couple of months as a courtesy car, great to drive but the one they gave me was a hybrid was a nightmare, only last extremely expensive on juice once the 28 miles it did on electric ran out.
Had a look at PHEV models on web but I live out in the sticks so didn't see any advantage. I am free state based so VRT would have been low but mostly I would be using hybrid and reports weren't great on it.
Gone ahead with diesel one this morning.
/Jim.
Looked at PCP but wasn't going to work for us. We have 2 cars, we always buy a car and pay it off over 3 years or so, then change the other one and do the same again. If we take out a PCP on a new car, then what do you do when you need to change the other car. It would mean paying 2 PCP deals at the one time. The guts of £500 a month on cars and you don't own them ffs.
PCP is the next big credit bubble car crash, a vanity product for people thinking they need new big cars which they actually cant afford
Quote from: JimStynes on April 10, 2018, 04:13:48 PM
Looked at PCP but wasn't going to work for us. We have 2 cars, we always buy a car and pay it off over 3 years or so, then change the other one and do the same again. If we take out a PCP on a new car, then what do you do when you need to change the other car. It would mean paying 2 PCP deals at the one time. The guts of £500 a month on cars and you don't own them ffs.
Why wouldn't you run the PCP for 3 years and pay off the remaining before doing a PCP deal on the 2nd car? Would it not ultimately be the same as paying a loan back over 3 years anyway?
Quote from: Orchard park on April 10, 2018, 04:16:20 PM
PCP is the next big credit bubble car crash, a vanity product for people thinking they need new big cars which they actually cant afford
If they can make the payments, then they can afford. If you don't want to keep the car or can't afford too at the end, then ultimately you hand back.
The post ultimately strikes of begrudgery.
Quote from: thebigfella on April 10, 2018, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 10, 2018, 04:13:48 PM
Looked at PCP but wasn't going to work for us. We have 2 cars, we always buy a car and pay it off over 3 years or so, then change the other one and do the same again. If we take out a PCP on a new car, then what do you do when you need to change the other car. It would mean paying 2 PCP deals at the one time. The guts of £500 a month on cars and you don't own them ffs.
Why wouldn't you run the PCP for 3 years and pay off the remaining before doing a PCP deal on the 2nd car? Would it not ultimately be the same as paying a loan back over 3 years anyway?
What do you mean pay off the remaining? As in a lump on what's left on the pcp car?
Quote from: thebigfella on April 10, 2018, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 10, 2018, 04:16:20 PM
PCP is the next big credit bubble car crash, a vanity product for people thinking they need new big cars which they actually cant afford
If they can make the payments, then they can afford. If you don't want to keep the car or can't afford too at the end, then ultimately you hand back.
The post ultimately strikes of begrudgery.
far from begrudgery, just a caustic eye on credit bubbles over a lifetime.............if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its a f**king duck in my book. PCP is a credit crash world wide waiting to happen
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on March 09, 2018, 10:43:54 PM
My Golf auto also has adaptive cruise control and in combination it can almost drive itself, braking, accelerating, changing up and down itself. It is great when on some of our crowded roads where speeds are usually well below the limited and the traffic speeds up and slows down. The ACC keeps the car a safe distance from the vehicle in front and is a great safety device.
Agreed, that VW ACC system is an amazing piece of engineering.
Quote from: Orchard park on April 10, 2018, 05:01:59 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on April 10, 2018, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 10, 2018, 04:16:20 PM
PCP is the next big credit bubble car crash, a vanity product for people thinking they need new big cars which they actually cant afford
If they can make the payments, then they can afford. If you don't want to keep the car or can't afford too at the end, then ultimately you hand back.
The post ultimately strikes of begrudgery.
far from begrudgery, just a caustic eye on credit bubbles over a lifetime.............if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its a f**king duck in my book. PCP is a credit crash world wide waiting to happen
Was listening to a fella on the radio who reckoned it's a bubble alright but not likely to affect the users hugely (any individual will be in hoc for a relatively low sum) but could have a huge effect on car dealerships who might be in too deep on these if a lot of people were to default. Anyone know how the details of how dealerships finance these?
who regulates these PCP products though?
not the Central Bank!!
In fact, nobody!
its a disaster waiting to happen
manfromdelmonete
100% correct but the deluded will call you a begrudger
In the north, a large number of PCP/PCH products are provided by large leasing companies like Lex Autolease who are owned by banks. It is a heavily regulated industry.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 11, 2018, 07:59:28 AM
who regulates these PCP products though?
not the Central Bank!!
In fact, nobody!
its a disaster waiting to happen
THey would have to have a banking license - which means they are regulated.
Quote from: Orchard park on April 10, 2018, 05:01:59 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on April 10, 2018, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 10, 2018, 04:16:20 PM
PCP is the next big credit bubble car crash, a vanity product for people thinking they need new big cars which they actually cant afford
If they can make the payments, then they can afford. If you don't want to keep the car or can't afford too at the end, then ultimately you hand back.
The post ultimately strikes of begrudgery.
far from begrudgery, just a caustic eye on credit bubbles over a lifetime.............if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its a f**king duck in my book. PCP is a credit crash world wide waiting to happen
When you called it a vanity product for people thinking they need new big cars - you come across as a knob and a begrudger.
What car people drive is irrelevant to the arguments on PCP for financing. If someone wants to buy a car through PCP, then it's their business - if they can afford the repayments then ultimately they can afford it.
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 10, 2018, 11:03:09 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 10, 2018, 05:01:59 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on April 10, 2018, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 10, 2018, 04:16:20 PM
PCP is the next big credit bubble car crash, a vanity product for people thinking they need new big cars which they actually cant afford
If they can make the payments, then they can afford. If you don't want to keep the car or can't afford too at the end, then ultimately you hand back.
The post ultimately strikes of begrudgery.
far from begrudgery, just a caustic eye on credit bubbles over a lifetime.............if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its a f**king duck in my book. PCP is a credit crash world wide waiting to happen
Was listening to a fella on the radio who reckoned it's a bubble alright but not likely to affect the users hugely (any individual will be in hoc for a relatively low sum) but could have a huge effect on car dealerships who might be in too deep on these if a lot of people were to default. Anyone know how the details of how dealerships finance these?
Ther dealerships are a separate entity to the financing company - BMW dealers for example make the application to BMW Finance on your behalf. The dealer "should" still get their cash irrespective of whether you default or not.
Quote from: JimStynes on April 10, 2018, 04:44:55 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on April 10, 2018, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 10, 2018, 04:13:48 PM
Looked at PCP but wasn't going to work for us. We have 2 cars, we always buy a car and pay it off over 3 years or so, then change the other one and do the same again. If we take out a PCP on a new car, then what do you do when you need to change the other car. It would mean paying 2 PCP deals at the one time. The guts of £500 a month on cars and you don't own them ffs.
Why wouldn't you run the PCP for 3 years and pay off the remaining before doing a PCP deal on the 2nd car? Would it not ultimately be the same as paying a loan back over 3 years anyway?
What do you mean pay off the remaining? As in a lump on what's left on the pcp car?
PCP deals basically require you to make a set number of payments (usually at a lower amount than if you were paying back the full amount borrowed) and at the end you have a few options:
- pay the remaining amount of the loan and keep the car
- hand it back and "hopefully" the guaranteed value covers the remainer of the finance
- trade it in and use the trade in to cover the remainder of the finance (bit simplistic but this is what the dealers want)
So if you got a 0% PCP deal for 10k over 3 years - why would you not pay the PCP for 3 years and put aside the remaining money (you would be paying with a loan) every month to make the lump payment at the end of the 3 years?
With a 10k loan you won't get a 0% rate, so it may make sense to do the above.
Also be aware dealer discounts are heavily subsidised by the (separate) finance company. So you may not get as good a discount as you would with taking it out as it is on top of the max a dealer and can salesman can offer. You can take out PCP and avail of the discounts but pay off the moment you leave the dealer with zero interest. I do it all the time as you could be talking anything up to 10k subsidised by the Financing Company (these are usually entities within the manufacturer).
It's not just a simple PCP is bad argument. There are deals to be had by playing the game.
Quote from: thebigfella on April 11, 2018, 12:15:29 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 10, 2018, 05:01:59 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on April 10, 2018, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 10, 2018, 04:16:20 PM
PCP is the next big credit bubble car crash, a vanity product for people thinking they need new big cars which they actually cant afford
If they can make the payments, then they can afford. If you don't want to keep the car or can't afford too at the end, then ultimately you hand back.
The post ultimately strikes of begrudgery.
far from begrudgery, just a caustic eye on credit bubbles over a lifetime.............if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its a f**king duck in my book. PCP is a credit crash world wide waiting to happen
When you called it a vanity product for people thinking they need new big cars - you come across as a knob and a begrudger.
What car people drive is irrelevant to the arguments on PCP for financing. If someone wants to buy a car through PCP, then it's their business - if they can afford the repayments then ultimately they can afford it.
when a generation can only tell you how much a month their car costs facilitated by PCP schemes most don't understand, then there is a serious societal issue. People in the 20s and early 30s going for brand new fancier BMWs or audis because its only 100 a month extra trype mindset.
so less of the knob abuse whoever you are.
presumably a BMW driving PCP holding "consumer"
Quote from: thebigfella on April 11, 2018, 12:15:29 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 10, 2018, 05:01:59 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on April 10, 2018, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 10, 2018, 04:16:20 PM
PCP is the next big credit bubble car crash, a vanity product for people thinking they need new big cars which they actually cant afford
If they can make the payments, then they can afford. If you don't want to keep the car or can't afford too at the end, then ultimately you hand back.
The post ultimately strikes of begrudgery.
far from begrudgery, just a caustic eye on credit bubbles over a lifetime.............if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its a f**king duck in my book. PCP is a credit crash world wide waiting to happen
When you called it a vanity product for people thinking they need new big cars - you come across as a knob and a begrudger.
What car people drive is irrelevant to the arguments on PCP for financing. If someone wants to buy a car through PCP, then it's their business - if they can afford the repayments then ultimately they can afford it.
That worked well in the property crash!!! Making high repayments impacts other areas of the economy.
The criticism of PCP made by Orchard Park and manfromdelmonte is largely correct in my view. It's a short term quick fix for car dealers which is now their core business I'd guess. It has in my view allowed people to get new cars they can't really afford. It's expensive for the customer and while I understand it does away with some hassle I think it's a rip off. It's not begrudgery to say that as personally I really couldn't care less what the next person drives - good luck to them. What does bother me though is if/when this crashes I'm going to end of paying for it somehow. And lets be realistic - there is a certain degree of vanity involved in it for a lot of people. That's grand but let them and the motor industry who are creaming it off these deals, pay for it.
likewise Magpie I couldnt care less what any individual drives or leases / PCPs / owns. Its the overall societal impact that quick fix creative financial "products" have caused in the recent past and that this one again threatens........
every can drive a ferrari if they want once i don't end up footing a levy or bill for 10 years when it goes tits up
I totally agree. Its a price people many are willing to pay for instant bling in the driveway.
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 11, 2018, 01:07:26 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on April 11, 2018, 12:15:29 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 10, 2018, 05:01:59 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on April 10, 2018, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 10, 2018, 04:16:20 PM
PCP is the next big credit bubble car crash, a vanity product for people thinking they need new big cars which they actually cant afford
If they can make the payments, then they can afford. If you don't want to keep the car or can't afford too at the end, then ultimately you hand back.
The post ultimately strikes of begrudgery.
far from begrudgery, just a caustic eye on credit bubbles over a lifetime.............if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its a f**king duck in my book. PCP is a credit crash world wide waiting to happen
When you called it a vanity product for people thinking they need new big cars - you come across as a knob and a begrudger.
What car people drive is irrelevant to the arguments on PCP for financing. If someone wants to buy a car through PCP, then it's their business - if they can afford the repayments then ultimately they can afford it.
That worked well in the property crash!!! Making high repayments impacts other areas of the economy.
The criticism of PCP made by Orchard Park and manfromdelmonte is largely correct in my view. It's a short term quick fix for car dealers which is now their core business I'd guess. It has in my view allowed people to get new cars they can't really afford. It's expensive for the customer and while I understand it does away with some hassle I think it's a rip off. It's not begrudgery to say that as personally I really couldn't care less what the next person drives - good luck to them. What does bother me though is if/when this crashes I'm going to end of paying for it somehow. And lets be realistic - there is a certain degree of vanity involved in it for a lot of people. That's grand but let them and the motor industry who are creaming it off these deals, pay for it.
PCP and it's percentage of turnover is dictated by the area of the dealership. I know a guy in west Belfast and 80% of his new sales is mobility cars and the rest PCP.
People paying cash for new cars now are very rare when you consider company leases are 100% tax deductible.
Leasing is becoming huge over here, only difference to PCP is there's no option of a balloon payment at the end.
I'm nearly 2 years through my first lease with another year to go, not looking forward to handing it back and finding out what they class as wear and tear.
I'd imagine new car sales would be shocking without people leasing over here, anyone I know who's leased would never have bought a new car. Surely this is going to have some knock on affect with second hand cars?
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 11, 2018, 01:07:26 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on April 11, 2018, 12:15:29 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 10, 2018, 05:01:59 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on April 10, 2018, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 10, 2018, 04:16:20 PM
PCP is the next big credit bubble car crash, a vanity product for people thinking they need new big cars which they actually cant afford
If they can make the payments, then they can afford. If you don't want to keep the car or can't afford too at the end, then ultimately you hand back.
The post ultimately strikes of begrudgery.
far from begrudgery, just a caustic eye on credit bubbles over a lifetime.............if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its a f**king duck in my book. PCP is a credit crash world wide waiting to happen
When you called it a vanity product for people thinking they need new big cars - you come across as a knob and a begrudger.
What car people drive is irrelevant to the arguments on PCP for financing. If someone wants to buy a car through PCP, then it's their business - if they can afford the repayments then ultimately they can afford it.
That worked well in the property crash!!! Making high repayments impacts other areas of the economy.
The criticism of PCP made by Orchard Park and manfromdelmonte is largely correct in my view. It's a short term quick fix for car dealers which is now their core business I'd guess. It has in my view allowed people to get new cars they can't really afford. It's expensive for the customer and while I understand it does away with some hassle I think it's a rip off. It's not begrudgery to say that as personally I really couldn't care less what the next person drives - good luck to them. What does bother me though is if/when this crashes I'm going to end of paying for it somehow. And lets be realistic - there is a certain degree of vanity involved in it for a lot of people. That's grand but let them and the motor industry who are creaming it off these deals, pay for it.
PCP is not comparable to the property crash. Cars are depreciating assets, the whole property bubble was based on the premise that property prices will continue to rise. The exposure risk is much lower and the financing companies are separate legal entities which would be allowed to crash (as they don't offer other banking services).
PCP may not be the cheapest way to buy a car but whether a person can or cannot afford something is subjective. Ultimately Mortgages allow you to buy a property you can't really afford otherwise - irrespective of the controls in place. Sure we all used to rent TVs that we couldn't afford. Finance products evolve - we used to have the exact same arguements about the lads who took out credit union loans to buy their Nova.
Nothing Orchard Park has said have given any indication of why these products are bad. His opening gambit attacked the people availing of them as vain and financially reckless.
On societal issues - maybe look at the bigger economic picture too than taking the ants penis view and focusing the consumers availing of the product.
I didn't attack the people
I attacked the product that preys on people who dont look deeper than how much per month.
Obviously you are earning commission from PCP as i have never seen someone so touchy on what is a potential economy hand grenade
Quote from: thebigfella on April 11, 2018, 12:35:26 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 10, 2018, 04:44:55 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on April 10, 2018, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 10, 2018, 04:13:48 PM
Looked at PCP but wasn't going to work for us. We have 2 cars, we always buy a car and pay it off over 3 years or so, then change the other one and do the same again. If we take out a PCP on a new car, then what do you do when you need to change the other car. It would mean paying 2 PCP deals at the one time. The guts of £500 a month on cars and you don't own them ffs.
Why wouldn't you run the PCP for 3 years and pay off the remaining before doing a PCP deal on the 2nd car? Would it not ultimately be the same as paying a loan back over 3 years anyway?
What do you mean pay off the remaining? As in a lump on what's left on the pcp car?
PCP deals basically require you to make a set number of payments (usually at a lower amount than if you were paying back the full amount borrowed) and at the end you have a few options:
- pay the remaining amount of the loan and keep the car
- hand it back and "hopefully" the guaranteed value covers the remainer of the finance
- trade it in and use the trade in to cover the remainder of the finance (bit simplistic but this is what the dealers want)
So if you got a 0% PCP deal for 10k over 3 years - why would you not pay the PCP for 3 years and put aside the remaining money (you would be paying with a loan) every month to make the lump payment at the end of the 3 years?
With a 10k loan you won't get a 0% rate, so it may make sense to do the above.
Also be aware dealer discounts are heavily subsidised by the (separate) finance company. So you may not get as good a discount as you would with taking it out as it is on top of the max a dealer and can salesman can offer. You can take out PCP and avail of the discounts but pay off the moment you leave the dealer with zero interest. I do it all the time as you could be talking anything up to 10k subsidised by the Financing Company (these are usually entities within the manufacturer).
It's not just a simple PCP is bad argument. There are deals to be had by playing the game.
Just curious if such a deal you mention actually exists? Or is it like these 0% APR finance deal where the initial buy price itself is inflated to factor in the lost interest.
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Looked at PCP but wasn't going to work for us. We have 2 cars, we always buy a car and pay it off over 3 years or so, then change the other one and do the same again. If we take out a PCP on a new car, then what do you do when you need to change the other car. It would mean paying 2 PCP deals at the one time. The guts of £500 a month on cars and you don't own them ffs.
Why wouldn't you run the PCP for 3 years and pay off the remaining before doing a PCP deal on the 2nd car? Would it not ultimately be the same as paying a loan back over 3 years anyway?
What do you mean pay off the remaining? As in a lump on what's left on the pcp car?
PCP deals basically require you to make a set number of payments (usually at a lower amount than if you were paying back the full amount borrowed) and at the end you have a few options:
- pay the remaining amount of the loan and keep the car
- hand it back and "hopefully" the guaranteed value covers the remainer of the finance
- trade it in and use the trade in to cover the remainder of the finance (bit simplistic but this is what the dealers want)
So if you got a 0% PCP deal for 10k over 3 years - why would you not pay the PCP for 3 years and put aside the remaining money (you would be paying with a loan) every month to make the lump payment at the end of the 3 years?
With a 10k loan you won't get a 0% rate, so it may make sense to do the above.
Also be aware dealer discounts are heavily subsidised by the (separate) finance company. So you may not get as good a discount as you would with taking it out as it is on top of the max a dealer and can salesman can offer. You can take out PCP and avail of the discounts but pay off the moment you leave the dealer with zero interest. I do it all the time as you could be talking anything up to 10k subsidised by the Financing Company (these are usually entities within the manufacturer).
It's not just a simple PCP is bad argument. There are deals to be had by playing the game.
Just curious if such a deal you mention actually exists? Or is it like these 0% APR finance deal where the initial buy price itself is inflated to factor in the lost interest.
No they do exist. Plenty of them in the South a few years back.
Quote from: Orchard park on April 11, 2018, 02:13:38 PM
I didn't attack the people
I attacked the product that preys on people who dont look deeper than how much per month.
Obviously you are earning commission from PCP as i have never seen someone so touchy on what is a potential economy hand grenade
Again you spout about economy hand grenades without any substance to back it up. I don't work in the finance industry and not touchy at all but you haven't made any sort of statement to back up your platitudes.
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PCP is the next big credit bubble car crash, a vanity product for people thinking they need new big cars which they actually cant afford
If they can make the payments, then they can afford. If you don't want to keep the car or can't afford too at the end, then ultimately you hand back.
The post ultimately strikes of begrudgery.
far from begrudgery, just a caustic eye on credit bubbles over a lifetime.............if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its a f**king duck in my book. PCP is a credit crash world wide waiting to happen
When you called it a vanity product for people thinking they need new big cars - you come across as a knob and a begrudger.
What car people drive is irrelevant to the arguments on PCP for financing. If someone wants to buy a car through PCP, then it's their business - if they can afford the repayments then ultimately they can afford it.
when a generation can only tell you how much a month their car costs facilitated by PCP schemes most don't understand, then there is a serious societal issue. People in the 20s and early 30s going for brand new fancier BMWs or audis because its only 100 a month extra trype mindset.
so less of the knob abuse whoever you are.
presumably a BMW driving PCP holding "consumer"
No I lease and own my cars.
Society has changed, young people are less concerned about owning stuff outright.
Far from BMWs most of ye bucks were reared.
I have a good lump of a 2008 VW and hope to get 3 or 4 more years out of her.
rossfan,
dont be such a consumer, at least aim for 10 more
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Quote from: Orchard park on April 11, 2018, 02:13:38 PM
I didn't attack the people
I attacked the product that preys on people who dont look deeper than how much per month.
Obviously you are earning commission from PCP as i have never seen someone so touchy on what is a potential economy hand grenade
Again you spout about economy hand grenades without any substance to back it up. I don't work in the finance industry and not touchy at all but you haven't made any sort of statement to back up platitudes.
I'll let others make the statement then......... Not platitudes at all
https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/motors/2017/0603/880092-warning-about-regulation-of-pcps/
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/personal-finance/consumer-watchdog-highlights-risks-of-pcp-car-finance-deals-1.3416875
https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/charlie-weston-official-ireland-finally-wakes-up-to-hidden-dangers-of-popular-pcp-car-finance-deals-35957898.html
https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/charlie-weston-pcp-car-finance-deals-could-be-a-subprime-mess-all-over-again-35331251.html
https://www.westportcu.ie/pcpfinance
https://www.thesun.ie/motors/1975601/a-quarter-of-cars-have-hidden-finance-history-heres-how-to-avoid-being-a-fraud-victim/
Quote from: thebigfella on April 11, 2018, 02:08:29 PM
PCP is not comparable to the property crash. Cars are depreciating assets, the whole property bubble was based on the premise that property prices will continue to rise. The exposure risk is much lower and the financing companies are separate legal entities which would be allowed to crash (as they don't offer other banking services).
PCP may not be the cheapest way to buy a car but whether a person can or cannot afford something is subjective. Ultimately Mortgages allow you to buy a property you can't really afford otherwise - irrespective of the controls in place. Sure we all used to rent TVs that we couldn't afford. Finance products evolve - we used to have the exact same arguements about the lads who took out credit union loans to buy their Nova.
Nothing Orchard Park has said have given any indication of why these products are bad. His opening gambit attacked the people availing of them as vain and financially reckless.
On societal issues - maybe look at the bigger economic picture too than taking the ants penis view and focusing the consumers availing of the product.
In general, if people in society are consuming things from money they haven't earned yet, there is a problem if things don't go to plan. A house is one thing, houses last for centuries, cars do not.
The specific problem with PCP, as I understand it, is that people initially come along with a trade in worth €6000 (say), so they are not funding the whole amount but only the part of the cost, but at the end of the PCP they have no equity left in the vehicle, so subsequent plans will be more expensive.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 11, 2018, 02:04:37 PM
Leasing is becoming huge over here, only difference to PCP is there's no option of a balloon payment at the end.
I'm nearly 2 years through my first lease with another year to go, not looking forward to handing it back and finding out what they class as wear and tear.
I'd imagine new car sales would be shocking without people leasing over here, anyone I know who's leased would never have bought a new car. Surely this is going to have some knock on affect with second hand cars?
Check this out.
https://www.drive-electric.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Fair_Wear_Tear.pdf (https://www.drive-electric.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Fair_Wear_Tear.pdf)
Quote from: Orchard park on April 11, 2018, 03:36:04 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on April 11, 2018, 02:27:31 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on April 11, 2018, 02:13:38 PM
I didn't attack the people
I attacked the product that preys on people who dont look deeper than how much per month.
Obviously you are earning commission from PCP as i have never seen someone so touchy on what is a potential economy hand grenade
Again you spout about economy hand grenades without any substance to back it up. I don't work in the finance industry and not touchy at all but you haven't made any sort of statement to back up platitudes.
I'll let others make the statement then......... Not platitudes at all
https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/motors/2017/0603/880092-warning-about-regulation-of-pcps/
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/personal-finance/consumer-watchdog-highlights-risks-of-pcp-car-finance-deals-1.3416875
https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/charlie-weston-official-ireland-finally-wakes-up-to-hidden-dangers-of-popular-pcp-car-finance-deals-35957898.html
https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/charlie-weston-pcp-car-finance-deals-could-be-a-subprime-mess-all-over-again-35331251.html
https://www.westportcu.ie/pcpfinance
https://www.thesun.ie/motors/1975601/a-quarter-of-cars-have-hidden-finance-history-heres-how-to-avoid-being-a-fraud-victim/
No one of those articles give any reasons that we on another economic disaster. They are more examples of preditory lending practices & people failing to understand what they are signing up for. Nothing in those tell us anything we don't already know or particularly what we all agree on the risks.
Charlie Weston equates it to the sub prime crisis without ever qualifying that statement or providing any evidence. It's sensationalist line in an article with no substance.
Congrats to the board member who just won a new car!! Jammy git!!
Quote from: supersarsfields on April 13, 2018, 01:13:11 PM
Congrats to the board member who just won a new car!! Jammy git!!
It wasn't Tony?
If you have the option of a company car or allowance whats best overall tax wise and savings over the year?
I really dont need a company car as I'm totally based in the one spot and no need to have it, though I love the perks with it I'm probably paying for it through my tax
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2018, 02:05:11 PM
If you have the option of a company car or allowance whats best overall tax wise and savings over the year?
I really dont need a company car as I'm totally based in the one spot and no need to have it, though I love the perks with it I'm probably paying for it through my tax
Depends on a few things. Miles you are doing? Fuel card? etc. I found I was better of staying with my expenses than what I was getting for a car allowance / company car. If your doing massive miles then it's definitely value. But I was doing just about 10,000 miles so didn't really see a benefit (Financially). Course you save on the hassle of maintenance with a CC but I was tied to a couple of vehicles.
Course my calculations could have been up the left. ???
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2018, 02:05:11 PM
If you have the option of a company car or allowance whats best overall tax wise and savings over the year?
I really dont need a company car as I'm totally based in the one spot and no need to have it, though I love the perks with it I'm probably paying for it through my tax
Depends on a few things. Miles you are doing? Fuel card? etc. I found I was better of staying with my expenses than what I was getting for a car allowance / company car. If your doing massive miles then it's definitely value. But I was doing just about 10,000 miles so didn't really see a benefit (Financially). Course you save on the hassle of maintenance with a CC but I was tied to a couple of vehicles.
Course my calculations could have been up the left. ???
What he said, it depends on circumstances. There are a couple of decent comparison calculators online that you can tailor
https://www.whatcar.com/news/company-car-cash-alternative/
So if you win a car and don't want that specific car, what is the best option? ;D
Seriously though, fewer cash buyers around these days, best to give up a lot of value and sell back to the dealer, or take it and sell privately?
Quote from: Rois on April 13, 2018, 10:08:08 PM
So if you win a car and don't want that specific car, what is the best option? ;D
Seriously though, fewer cash buyers around these days, best to give up a lot of value and sell back to the dealer, or take it and sell privately?
Add cash to the sales price to get the vehicle you prefer?
Quote from: Rois on April 13, 2018, 10:08:08 PM
So if you win a car and don't want that specific car, what is the best option? ;D
Seriously though, fewer cash buyers around these days, best to give up a lot of value and sell back to the dealer, or take it and sell privately?
Dealer will have donated car at cost price so don't be surprised at their valuation if you return it for cash or upgrade.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2018, 02:05:11 PM
If you have the option of a company car or allowance whats best overall tax wise and savings over the year?
I really dont need a company car as I'm totally based in the one spot and no need to have it, though I love the perks with it I'm probably paying for it through my tax
Depends on a few things. Miles you are doing? Fuel card? etc. I found I was better of staying with my expenses than what I was getting for a car allowance / company car. If your doing massive miles then it's definitely value. But I was doing just about 10,000 miles so didn't really see a benefit (Financially). Course you save on the hassle of maintenance with a CC but I was tied to a couple of vehicles.
Course my calculations could have been up the left. ???
What he said, it depends on circumstances. There are a couple of decent comparison calculators online that you can tailor
https://www.whatcar.com/news/company-car-cash-alternative/
At the minute and for the immediate future I'm doing a daily run of 15 miles! Initially that's far greater when I was at different locations, now with my lease nearly up I've got to choose, fuel card insurance maintenance good spec car services breakdown cover! Even toll charges.. for a car allowance which will be decent enough and bring down tax I think
What are these Merc A180's like - they look good at least but just interested in their running - my civic is about done and it was decent and had a golf before but just interested in case anyone had one
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What are these Merc A180's like - they look good at least but just interested in their running - my civic is about done and it was decent and had a golf before but just interested in case anyone had one
Supposed to be hard to sit in due to suspension built for carpet like roads on the continental mainland. New model supposed to have improved on this area.
If you intend to carry anyone more than 5-10 in the back they will struggle to get in and have any head room. Probably same applies if you carry children in car seats in the rear in terms of getting them in and out.
On the other hand the Golf 7 has none of these problems.
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Quote from: hectorsheroes on April 14, 2018, 01:39:02 AM
What are these Merc A180's like - they look good at least but just interested in their running - my civic is about done and it was decent and had a golf before but just interested in case anyone had one
Supposed to be hard to sit in due to suspension built for carpet like roads on the continental mainland. New model supposed to have improved on this area.
If you intend to carry anyone more than 5-10 in the back they will struggle to get in and have any head room. Probably same applies if you carry children in car seats in the rear in terms of getting them in and out.
On the other hand the Golf 7 has none of these problems.
I like the look of them tbh, but probably not practical
Anyone any experience with the new Seat Ateca? Is it just more or less a Tiguan with the VW badge? We are looking at that kind of motor for the family car.
Seems petrol hybrid is the future. Diesel cars bought now will have no resale value.
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Anyone any experience with the new Seat Ateca? Is it just more or less a Tiguan with the VW badge? We are looking at that kind of motor for the family car.
Basically from the same VW parts box but without some of the things that give the difference between Seat and VW cars. According to all reports the third SUV from the same parts bin built by Skoda, the Karoq. Tiguan supposed to be luxury version and most expensive, Ateca is the sport version trimmed back with harder suspension but cheaper by thousands and the Karoq is the family version with more gadgets, more comfort, more storage and softer suspension (blander) with Skoda price. There is one to suit everyone. Big step up in terms of looks shared by all three.
Check out these reviews:
https://youtu.be/W2y6shUHD7M (https://youtu.be/W2y6shUHD7M)
https://youtu.be/vI4v73CUoQc (https://youtu.be/vI4v73CUoQc)
https://youtu.be/DYhF6-oKjWg (https://youtu.be/DYhF6-oKjWg)
Note the design similarities of all 3 from the same parts bin.
Just depends if you are a badge snob or not.
Thanks Owen. We're going to test drive a few in the next week or so. I do like the look of the Ateca though.
Quote from: square_ball on April 15, 2018, 09:49:46 AM
Thanks Owen. We're going to test drive a few in the next week or so. I do like the look of the Ateca though.
One of the best looking compact SUVs. If you need more than 5 seats the Kodiaq from Skoda is the big brother of the Karoq and also highly rated. Q7 size and near quality for a Skoda price.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 15, 2018, 10:58:25 AM
Quote from: square_ball on April 15, 2018, 09:49:46 AM
Thanks Owen. We're going to test drive a few in the next week or so. I do like the look of the Ateca though.
One of the best looking compact SUVs. If you need more than 5 seats the Kodiaq from Skoda is the big brother of the Karoq and also highly rated. Q7 size and near quality for a Skoda price.
Was in one of those Kodiaq's the other day, spacy enough inside without looking like a bus on the outside, was impressed by it.
Didn't get a drive at it though, but I think they're 2 litre diesel engines.
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Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 15, 2018, 10:58:25 AM
Quote from: square_ball on April 15, 2018, 09:49:46 AM
Thanks Owen. We're going to test drive a few in the next week or so. I do like the look of the Ateca though.
One of the best looking compact SUVs. If you need more than 5 seats the Kodiaq from Skoda is the big brother of the Karoq and also highly rated. Q7 size and near quality for a Skoda price.
Was in one of those Kodiaq's the other day, spacy enough inside without looking like a bus on the outside, was impressed by it.
Didn't get a drive at it though, but I think they're 2 litre diesel engines.
https://youtu.be/b62ITcoqN0s (https://youtu.be/b62ITcoqN0s)
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 16, 2018, 07:14:23 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 16, 2018, 11:53:07 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 15, 2018, 10:58:25 AM
Quote from: square_ball on April 15, 2018, 09:49:46 AM
Thanks Owen. We're going to test drive a few in the next week or so. I do like the look of the Ateca though.
One of the best looking compact SUVs. If you need more than 5 seats the Kodiaq from Skoda is the big brother of the Karoq and also highly rated. Q7 size and near quality for a Skoda price.
Was in one of those Kodiaq's the other day, spacy enough inside without looking like a bus on the outside, was impressed by it.
Didn't get a drive at it though, but I think they're 2 litre diesel engines.
https://youtu.be/b62ITcoqN0s (https://youtu.be/b62ITcoqN0s)
Looking at a Seat Arona myself. Bit of a smaller SUV type. I've had 2 Leon's in the past and have always been happy with them.
Recently bought a Nissan X-Trail, happy enough with it so far, very comfortable and spacious and has decent fuel economy. I still have my Seat Leon, the wee lad is now 17 and he can have it when he passes his test.
VW T-Roc looks nice but I imagine its pricey enough
Saw a VW Tiguan Allspace on the road today. Far nicer and bigger looking than a regular Tiguan.
Going to read through this thread in detail later for some advice so maybe it's mentioned but can anyone recommend any dealers in Northern England or Scotland.
I've been noseying online to the big dealers around London, cargiant.com and bigmotoringworld. However would like something closer for the drive home.
Thanks
Quote from: paddyjohn on April 10, 2018, 12:03:02 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on April 10, 2018, 10:59:46 AM
In the process of buying a Kia Optima (17 car, ex-demo).
Any experience of them, it's a 1.7 Diesel manual.
/Jim.
A mate had one as a company car, he loved it. Said it was one of the best cars he ever drove.
I am driving it now for 2 weeks and I find it a lovely car. Very comfortable, good kit and plenty of pep. A bit early to judge economy but seems good with a mix of rural and motorway driving.
It's my first experience of a Korean make and so far I am impressed.
/Jim.
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Quote from: paddyjohn on April 10, 2018, 12:03:02 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on April 10, 2018, 10:59:46 AM
In the process of buying a Kia Optima (17 car, ex-demo).
Any experience of them, it's a 1.7 Diesel manual.
/Jim.
A mate had one as a company car, he loved it. Said it was one of the best cars he ever drove.
I am driving it now for 2 weeks and I find it a lovely car. Very comfortable, good kit and plenty of pep. A bit early to judge economy but seems good with a mix of rural and motorway driving.
It's my first experience of a Korean make and so far I am impressed.
/Jim.
Kia 7 yr warranty Jim?
Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2018, 01:53:16 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on April 27, 2018, 01:17:47 PM
Quote from: paddyjohn on April 10, 2018, 12:03:02 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on April 10, 2018, 10:59:46 AM
In the process of buying a Kia Optima (17 car, ex-demo).
Any experience of them, it's a 1.7 Diesel manual.
/Jim.
A mate had one as a company car, he loved it. Said it was one of the best cars he ever drove.
I am driving it now for 2 weeks and I find it a lovely car. Very comfortable, good kit and plenty of pep. A bit early to judge economy but seems good with a mix of rural and motorway driving.
It's my first experience of a Korean make and so far I am impressed.
/Jim.
Kia 7 yr warranty Jim?
Yes 7 yesr/100k miles.
Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2018, 01:53:16 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on April 27, 2018, 01:17:47 PM
Quote from: paddyjohn on April 10, 2018, 12:03:02 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on April 10, 2018, 10:59:46 AM
In the process of buying a Kia Optima (17 car, ex-demo).
Any experience of them, it's a 1.7 Diesel manual.
/Jim.
A mate had one as a company car, he loved it. Said it was one of the best cars he ever drove.
I am driving it now for 2 weeks and I find it a lovely car. Very comfortable, good kit and plenty of pep. A bit early to judge economy but seems good with a mix of rural and motorway driving.
It's my first experience of a Korean make and so far I am impressed.
/Jim.
Kia 7 yr warranty Jim?
7 years or 150 Kilometres (In the Free State we remain under the jackboot of EU oppression) which ever comes first.
I bought at 2017 car so 6 years remaining.
/Jim.
If you have a car allowance and looking to get a decent deal on a, lets say on a 1.6 type car, with a decent extras, where is the best place to look? I'm not a petrol head so for me any new car is nice, loved the Ford Focus i had for 3 years, might even go back to that type, but interested in something different
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2018, 11:29:43 AM
If you have a car allowance and looking to get a decent deal on a, lets say on a 1.6 type car, with a decent extras, where is the best place to look? I'm not a petrol head so for me any new car is nice, loved the Ford Focus i had for 3 years, might even go back to that type, but interested in something different
See my post above. Kia Optima 1.7 diesel. Lots of extras.
/Jim.
Those Kia's and Hyundai's would want to come with a free balaclava, because there is no way anyone with any self respect would ever be seen driving one.
Quote from: Ambrose on May 16, 2018, 01:05:02 PM
Those Kia's and Hyundai's would want to come with a free balaclava, because there is no way anyone with any self respect would ever be seen driving one.
Because?
/Jim.
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 16, 2018, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2018, 11:29:43 AM
If you have a car allowance and looking to get a decent deal on a, lets say on a 1.6 type car, with a decent extras, where is the best place to look? I'm not a petrol head so for me any new car is nice, loved the Ford Focus i had for 3 years, might even go back to that type, but interested in something different
See my post above. Kia Optima 1.7 diesel. Lots of extras.
/Jim.
Just went through a few of them on Hurst (though I'd imagine they are robbing bstards), £215 per month and £215 deposit, through the PCH, which is what I'm looking but 5,000 miles is the deal with 9p cover for over those miles. I'd need max 10,000 miles I'd imagine..
Lovely looking car and as you say plenty of nice extras on them
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2018, 01:27:44 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 16, 2018, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2018, 11:29:43 AM
If you have a car allowance and looking to get a decent deal on a, lets say on a 1.6 type car, with a decent extras, where is the best place to look? I'm not a petrol head so for me any new car is nice, loved the Ford Focus i had for 3 years, might even go back to that type, but interested in something different
See my post above. Kia Optima 1.7 diesel. Lots of extras.
/Jim.
Just went through a few of them on Hurst (though I'd imagine they are robbing bstards), £215 per month and £215 deposit, through the PCH, which is what I'm looking but 5,000 miles is the deal with 9p cover for over those miles. I'd need max 10,000 miles I'd imagine..
Lovely looking car and as you say plenty of nice extras on them
Nissan Pulsar Diesel 1.5cCi
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 16, 2018, 01:13:48 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on May 16, 2018, 01:05:02 PM
Those Kia's and Hyundai's would want to come with a free balaclava, because there is no way anyone with any self respect would ever be seen driving one.
Because?
/Jim.
Because they are an absolute plague. They are the motoring equivalent of white goods and every bit as exciting as a new dish washer. Why anyone would choose to drive one is beyond me.
You've chosen to have white goods though, haven't you? Not as exciting as washing your clothes by hand I'm sure, but handy, no?
Quote from: haranguerer on May 16, 2018, 03:31:45 PM
You've chosen to have white goods though, haven't you? Not as exciting as washing your clothes by hand I'm sure, but handy, no?
have you ever tried donut'in a Zanussi??
Anyone any experience of the Mazda 6? They look a decent motor and seem to be fairly economical (diesel).
Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2018, 04:14:18 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 16, 2018, 03:31:45 PM
You've chosen to have white goods though, haven't you? Not as exciting as washing your clothes by hand I'm sure, but handy, no?
have you ever tried donut'in a Zanussi??
Anyone any experience of the Mazda 6? They look a decent motor and seem to be fairly economical (diesel).
Girl in work has the estate. Nice bus.
Quote from: Ambrose on May 16, 2018, 03:21:56 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 16, 2018, 01:13:48 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on May 16, 2018, 01:05:02 PM
Those Kia's and Hyundai's would want to come with a free balaclava, because there is no way anyone with any self respect would ever be seen driving one.
Because?
/Jim.
Because they are an absolute plague. They are the motoring equivalent of white goods and every bit as exciting as a new dish washer. Why anyone would choose to drive one is beyond me.
Ambrose what do you drive?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2018, 11:29:43 AM
If you have a car allowance and looking to get a decent deal on a, lets say on a 1.6 type car, with a decent extras, where is the best place to look? I'm not a petrol head so for me any new car is nice, loved the Ford Focus i had for 3 years, might even go back to that type, but interested in something different
There is a whole new Focus coming out, but it will be couple of months before you can buy one.
A Mazda 6 would be bigger yoke.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 16, 2018, 10:52:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2018, 11:29:43 AM
If you have a car allowance and looking to get a decent deal on a, lets say on a 1.6 type car, with a decent extras, where is the best place to look? I'm not a petrol head so for me any new car is nice, loved the Ford Focus i had for 3 years, might even go back to that type, but interested in something different
There is a whole new Focus coming out, but it will be couple of months before you can buy one.
A Mazda 6 would be bigger yoke.
Wouldn't mind waiting, my current car goes back at end of June
As if to continue my recent run of bad luck, needed a new car after someone wrote off my car about 6 weeks ago. Finally decided on a second hand Audi. After much negotiation I agreed a price yesterday only for Audi to recall all A7's from the relevant period and stop their dealers selling them pending the recall.
Quote from: David McKeown on May 16, 2018, 11:16:52 PM
As if to continue my recent run of bad luck, needed a new car after someone wrote off my car about 6 weeks ago. Finally decided on a second hand Audi. After much negotiation I agreed a price yesterday only for Audi to recall all A7's from the relevant period and stop their dealers selling them pending the recall.
Don't expect much sympathy on here if you've the dough to afford an audi A7.
Quote from: trileacman on May 16, 2018, 11:36:42 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 16, 2018, 11:16:52 PM
As if to continue my recent run of bad luck, needed a new car after someone wrote off my car about 6 weeks ago. Finally decided on a second hand Audi. After much negotiation I agreed a price yesterday only for Audi to recall all A7's from the relevant period and stop their dealers selling them pending the recall.
Don't expect much sympathy on here if you've the dough to afford an audi A7.
Its not even close to new and its only because my car was written off but fair point well made
Quote from: Ambrose on May 16, 2018, 03:21:56 PM
Because they are an absolute plague. They are the motoring equivalent of white goods and every bit as exciting as a new dish washer. Why anyone would choose to drive one is beyond me.
I am not sure what would constitute an exciting car, a Ford Capri or the like?
Why I chose to drive the Optima: economy, price, comfort, spec and fallback of the warranty. Excitement didn't was way further than the list, as is the balaclava.
/Jim.
Quote from: Ambrose on May 16, 2018, 03:21:56 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 16, 2018, 01:13:48 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on May 16, 2018, 01:05:02 PM
Those Kia's and Hyundai's would want to come with a free balaclava, because there is no way anyone with any self respect would ever be seen driving one.
Because?
/Jim.
Because they are an absolute plague. They are the motoring equivalent of white goods and every bit as exciting as a new dish washer. Why anyone would choose to drive one is beyond me.
Why anyone would look for excitement in someone else's choice of car is beyond me.
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 17, 2018, 08:08:34 AM
Quote from: Ambrose on May 16, 2018, 03:21:56 PM
Because they are an absolute plague. They are the motoring equivalent of white goods and every bit as exciting as a new dish washer. Why anyone would choose to drive one is beyond me.
I am not sure what would constitute an exciting car, a Ford Capri or the like?
Why I chose to drive the Optima: economy, price, comfort, spec and fallback of the warranty. Excitement didn't was way further than the list, as is the balaclava.
/Jim.
I think the Optima's actually a cracking looking car
Quote from: Ambrose on May 16, 2018, 01:05:02 PM
Those Kia's and Hyundai's would want to come with a free balaclava, because there is no way anyone with any self respect would ever be seen driving one.
That is the biggest 'my head is up my own arse' post since Fearon posted about the rental income he was getting from the house he had inherited.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 17, 2018, 02:17:29 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on May 16, 2018, 01:05:02 PM
Those Kia's and Hyundai's would want to come with a free balaclava, because there is no way anyone with any self respect would ever be seen driving one.
That is the biggest 'my head is up my own arse' post since Fearon posted about the rental income he was getting from the house he had inherited.
Very funny all the same. :D
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2018, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 17, 2018, 02:17:29 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on May 16, 2018, 01:05:02 PM
Those Kia's and Hyundai's would want to come with a free balaclava, because there is no way anyone with any self respect would ever be seen driving one.
That is the biggest 'my head is up my own arse' post since Fearon posted about the rental income he was getting from the house he had inherited.
Very funny all the same. :D
I knew that gobshite Dougal would have to reply, he probably sees a 4 year old Kia with remaining manufacturers warranty as aspirational.
This isn't a willy waving contest, but Kia's like the vast majority of people that drive them are more than a little bit dull. A grey Kia might brighten Dougal up a little.
Quote from: Ambrose on May 17, 2018, 03:45:09 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2018, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 17, 2018, 02:17:29 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on May 16, 2018, 01:05:02 PM
Those Kia's and Hyundai's would want to come with a free balaclava, because there is no way anyone with any self respect would ever be seen driving one.
That is the biggest 'my head is up my own arse' post since Fearon posted about the rental income he was getting from the house he had inherited.
Very funny all the same. :D
I knew that gobshite Dougal would have to reply, he probably sees a 4 year old Kia with remaining manufacturers warranty as aspirational.
This isn't a willy waving contest, but Kia's like the vast majority of people that drive them are more than a little bit dull. A grey Kia might brighten Dougal up a little.
So if cars reflect personality does it mean that my robin reliant makes me a little unstable ?
Quote from: Ambrose on May 17, 2018, 03:45:09 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2018, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 17, 2018, 02:17:29 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on May 16, 2018, 01:05:02 PM
Those Kia's and Hyundai's would want to come with a free balaclava, because there is no way anyone with any self respect would ever be seen driving one.
That is the biggest 'my head is up my own arse' post since Fearon posted about the rental income he was getting from the house he had inherited.
Very funny all the same. :D
I knew that gobshite Dougal would have to reply, he probably sees a 4 year old Kia with remaining manufacturers warranty as aspirational.
This isn't a willy waving contest, but Kia's like the vast majority of people that drive them are more than a little bit dull. A grey Kia might brighten Dougal up a little.
Classic stuff there. What do you know about me that makes you reach that conclusion?
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 17, 2018, 04:55:43 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on May 17, 2018, 03:45:09 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2018, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 17, 2018, 02:17:29 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on May 16, 2018, 01:05:02 PM
Those Kia's and Hyundai's would want to come with a free balaclava, because there is no way anyone with any self respect would ever be seen driving one.
That is the biggest 'my head is up my own arse' post since Fearon posted about the rental income he was getting from the house he had inherited.
Very funny all the same. :D
I knew that gobshite Dougal would have to reply, he probably sees a 4 year old Kia with remaining manufacturers warranty as aspirational.
This isn't a willy waving contest, but Kia's like the vast majority of people that drive them are more than a little bit dull. A grey Kia might brighten Dougal up a little.
Classic stuff there. What do you know about me that makes you reach that conclusion?
Sorry Dougal, grey would be a little showy for you, stick to beige.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2018, 11:29:43 AM
If you have a car allowance and looking to get a decent deal on a, lets say on a 1.6 type car, with a decent extras, where is the best place to look? I'm not a petrol head so for me any new car is nice, loved the Ford Focus i had for 3 years, might even go back to that type, but interested in something different
I got a brilliant lease deal on an Infiniti Q30. Nissan's "upmarket" brand, Mercedes engine, fully loaded. Probably not the best car but different.
Anyone in the Newry area can give advice via PM about a car dealer. Thinking of making a purchase but I've heard too many horror stories.
Thanks
PMA?
Sent you a PM there longball.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 23, 2018, 12:42:10 PM
Anyone in the Newry area can give advice via PM about a car dealer. Thinking of making a purchase but I've heard too many horror stories.
Thanks
If you've heard too many horror stories then I that tells you all you need to know.
A cousin of mine has two twins who turn 17 in a few weeks. He's looking at maybe getting them a car but wants advice on the following.
Which car would be cheapest to insure for two 17 year olds with him as named driver.
Would a new car represent better value if he could pay it off?
How much more would insurance be for two 17 year olds over and above one.
Does anyone offer car with free insurance like they did in my day?
There's an older fella in the house who drives a polo would it be best just adding them to that insurance for a year or two? The only other car in the family is an old estate
I know very little about cars so can't really help but I know a few on here seem to know a fair bit.
Car insurance for 17 year olds is expensive business.
I'd say £1500 each.
Bought a Peugeot 107 for 18 year old at £2200
Insurance quotes ranged from £1300 to £4000!
Multi car reduced the quote to £1200 for his part.
As a main driver the young one needs to be the policyholder!
But add as many over 25s on the policy as you have.
Other factors include different quotes from insurers in different days of the week .
Parked in driveway !!! Etc
Quote from: delgany on December 31, 2018, 09:51:48 PM
Car insurance for 17 year olds is expensive business.
I'd say £1500 each.
Bought a Peugeot 107 for 18 year old at £2200
Insurance quotes ranged from £1300 to £4000!
Multi car reduced the quote to £1200 for his part.
As a main driver the young one needs to be the policyholder!
But add as many over 25s on the policy as you have.
Other factors include different quotes from insurers in different days of the week .
Parked in driveway !!! Etc
Cheers. I know from my own job that insurance companies are fairly cracking down on the old have the parent as the primary driver when really it's the youngster thing. Remember too when my now wife learnt to drive. It reduced her premium by near £300 by adding me as a named driver even though I had active penalty points at the time.
David, check out Autoline's telematics policy, called ChilliDrive. It is based on monitored driving, and premiums come down quite a bit in Yr2. £1,500 is prob right enough. No black box needed, just an app.
Quote from: Rois on December 31, 2018, 10:17:39 PM
David, check out Autoline's telematics policy, called ChilliDrive. It is based on monitored driving, and premiums come down quite a bit in Yr2. £1,500 is prob right enough. No black box needed, just an app.
This is presuming the person who is driving the car is actually a good driver!
I've worked in insurance and you shouldn't be giving your child a car so young. Number 1
it's ridiculously expensive and 2 they don't really need a car at that age. Being insured on the second car or the main car should be more than enough for what a 17 year old needs and at least £500 quid cheaper insurance wise!
Guys just found this thread as i was close to starting another one...
I bought a car before Christmas but i'm not happy with it, engine is only 1.0 litre petrol (turbo) and i should have known better but hey we all make mistakes. Anyway going to replace it soon but the longer i look at cars online the harder it gets to pick one. I'm off work atm sick so when i go back to work i will be out and about a lot so going to need a car with a bit of power and comfort. Just had two separate visits from Armagh to Clare via Limerick in my car and to be fair with cruise control on at 70mph (2000 revs) it was comfortable enough drive but the only problem is if you need to overtake someone you don't have the power to do it quickly (like a lorry overtaking a lorry ffs)
My current car is 2018 Seat Toledo and i've been looking at a 420 M Sport BMW at a few garages which are turning my head as well as a few Audi cars too. My aim is to buy something like 2017 and keep the cars fresh but didn't realise just how many different cars that are on the market...
Any suggestions from previous experiences good or ones to avoid
It's quite a jump from a 1.0 petrol to a 420d
The 420d is a great car I'm sure but it would surely be a fair few steps up from a 1.0L
Is there a chance you might overcorrect your mistake with it?
Quote from: Aristo 60 on February 11, 2020, 08:22:58 PM
It's quite a jump from a 1.0 petrol to a 420d
The 420d is a great car I'm sure but it would surely be a fair few steps up from a 1.0L
Is there a chance you might overcorrect your mistake with it?
To be fair the 1.0 litre car has a turbo and is not like the we 1 litre cars from years ago and the 420D is a 2.0 litre car but the car is bigger and as much as it's quick it's not a rocket either...Looked at the 430 M Sport but that's a different animal altogether...
The 4 series Grand Coupe is a very nice car, though it's probably better suited to the bigger engine. The 8 speed ZF gearbox is excellent, you wouldn't go back to a manual after driving one.
Just out of curiosity...If a dealer has a car up for sale for £20k how much does a dealer expect to make profit of a car and what % do you haggle for without insulting them...lol. I suppose each car has it's individual price and some will have more profit than others but it would be nice to know (any dealers on the board here) just what % you can take them below their asking price.
Quote from: illdecide on February 11, 2020, 11:07:29 PM
Just out of curiosity...If a dealer has a car up for sale for £20k how much does a dealer expect to make profit of a car and what % do you haggle for without insulting them...lol. I suppose each car has it's individual price and some will have more profit than others but it would be nice to know (any dealers on the board here) just what % you can take them below their asking price.
That's like asking a magician how he does his tricks ffs!
Have a PCP deal coming to an end after 4 yrs in April. Car is in good shape, almost, apart from needing a new bonnet due to an O'Neill's ball >:( Going to cost approx 550 for fixing it going by prices I've got so far. Car is under the 4 yr mileage allowance by approx. 1k miles, so no issues on that front. When I check the price of a like for like car, same miles, in good shape, they're between 6250 and 7000 at dealerships. (I can buy it outright as part of the PCP deal for 4700)
So my options are:
1: Use car as a trade in for a new one at same dealership. Don't fix bonnet, when bringing it back and see what they say.
2: Use car as a trade in for a new one at same dealership. Fix bonnet before returning it.
3: Hand car back and walk away, with bonnet fixed.
4: Buy car outright, will cost 4700, and own the car (prob get that back as a trade-in elsewhere hopefully)
I'm preferably looking for a change, and not necessarily with the same car type/dealership.
Any thoughts on the most efficient way financially to exit a PCP deal?
Quote from: balladmaker on February 12, 2020, 09:25:23 AM
Have a PCP deal coming to an end after 4 yrs in April. Car is in good shape, almost, apart from needing a new bonnet due to an O'Neill's ball >:( Going to cost approx 550 for fixing it going by prices I've got so far. Car is under the 4 yr mileage allowance by approx. 1k miles, so no issues on that front. When I check the price of a like for like car, same miles, in good shape, they're between 6250 and 7000 at dealerships. (I can buy it outright as part of the PCP deal for 4700)
So my options are:
1: Use car as a trade in for a new one at same dealership. Don't fix bonnet, when bringing it back and see what they say.
2: Use car as a trade in for a new one at same dealership. Fix bonnet before returning it.
3: Hand car back and walk away, with bonnet fixed.
4: Buy car outright, will cost 4700, and own the car (prob get that back as a trade-in elsewhere hopefully)
I'm preferably looking for a change, and not necessarily with the same car type/dealership.
Any thoughts on the most efficient way financially to exit a PCP deal?
What about fixing the bonnet yourself, buying the car outright for £4700 from the dealer, then trying to sell it privately for around £5750 to £6000?
Depends if the bit of hassle of fixing and selling privately is worth the extra £500 or so to go towards deposit on a next car.
With the PCP deals, where you often get discount on the car cost and possibly extras thrown in too - you can still buy out the finance on the car outright, even after a few days. (If you have a means to borrow the lump sum at a lower rate for example)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 12, 2020, 08:47:31 AM
Quote from: illdecide on February 11, 2020, 11:07:29 PM
Just out of curiosity...If a dealer has a car up for sale for £20k how much does a dealer expect to make profit of a car and what % do you haggle for without insulting them...lol. I suppose each car has it's individual price and some will have more profit than others but it would be nice to know (any dealers on the board here) just what % you can take them below their asking price.
That's like asking a magician how he does his tricks ffs!
Lol... :D
Quote from: illdecide on February 11, 2020, 11:07:29 PM
Just out of curiosity...If a dealer has a car up for sale for £20k how much does a dealer expect to make profit of a car and what % do you haggle for without insulting them...lol. I suppose each car has it's individual price and some will have more profit than others but it would be nice to know (any dealers on the board here) just what % you can take them below their asking price.
If your paying cash, on the day....it's not out of the question to go 10/15/20% below asking, depends how much front you have really.
You'll obviously be countered but start as cheekily as you wish I suppose. don't ask - don't get but I wouldn't present it as a take it or leave it absurdly low.
I was also told the car dealers prefer people coming in getting finance rather than someone coming in to pay car in full, they make more money of you getting it financed. The days of the old hard currency (cash is king) is almost over.
Quote from: illdecide on February 12, 2020, 11:25:37 AM
I was also told the car dealers prefer people coming in getting finance rather than someone coming in to pay car in full, they make more money of you getting it financed. The days of the old hard currency (cash is king) is almost over.
I'd heard the same too.
They want finance deals rather than cash but if you are using the finance deal as leverage do your homework and get other third party offers and ask them to match or better them.
Dealer mark up all depends on the type of dealer. Small fella with a few cars at side of his house doesnt have the overheads of the main dealer.
Quote from: illdecide on February 12, 2020, 11:25:37 AM
I was also told the car dealers prefer people coming in getting finance rather than someone coming in to pay car in full, they make more money of you getting it financed. The days of the old hard currency (cash is king) is almost over.
Last 2 cars I bought they woulnd't accept cash... I was f**king raging!
Quote from: screenexile on February 12, 2020, 12:01:52 PM
Quote from: illdecide on February 12, 2020, 11:25:37 AM
I was also told the car dealers prefer people coming in getting finance rather than someone coming in to pay car in full, they make more money of you getting it financed. The days of the old hard currency (cash is king) is almost over.
Last 2 cars I bought they woulnd't accept cash... I was f**king raging!
Had similar experience that they were determined to set me up on a PCP deal, even though i wanted to buy car outright. I looked into it a bit, and agreed to PCP deal (think it was possibly £750 off car and 2 free services). Once i had car home, after a few days I rang VW finance and settled the outstanding debt, which possibly cost an extra fiver or something with the interest.
If you've a long standing relationship with a dealer, then I wouldn't really advise this, as it means the salesman won't get his commission which kicks in after a few months i think. But they had annoyed me with their insistence on PCP, so i figured they could suck it up.
Quote from: JohnDenver on February 12, 2020, 12:16:38 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 12, 2020, 12:01:52 PM
Quote from: illdecide on February 12, 2020, 11:25:37 AM
I was also told the car dealers prefer people coming in getting finance rather than someone coming in to pay car in full, they make more money of you getting it financed. The days of the old hard currency (cash is king) is almost over.
Last 2 cars I bought they woulnd't accept cash... I was f**king raging!
Had similar experience that they were determined to set me up on a PCP deal, even though i wanted to buy car outright. I looked into it a bit, and agreed to PCP deal (think it was possibly £750 off car and 2 free services). Once i had car home, after a few days I rang VW finance and settled the outstanding debt, which possibly cost an extra fiver or something with the interest.
If you've a long standing relationship with a dealer, then I wouldn't really advise this, as it means the salesman won't get his commission which kicks in after a few months i think. But they had annoyed me with their insistence on PCP, so i figured they could suck it up.
He'll have got some commission, just not the full amount, they do alright though, so I wouldn't be too worried or concerned
Quote from: screenexile on February 12, 2020, 12:01:52 PM
Quote from: illdecide on February 12, 2020, 11:25:37 AM
I was also told the car dealers prefer people coming in getting finance rather than someone coming in to pay car in full, they make more money of you getting it financed. The days of the old hard currency (cash is king) is almost over.
Last 2 cars I bought they woulnd't accept cash... I was f**king raging!
Your cash was in punts and pound notes so hardly surprising.
Quote from: illdecide on February 12, 2020, 11:25:37 AM
I was also told the car dealers prefer people coming in getting finance rather than someone coming in to pay car in full, they make more money of you getting it financed. The days of the old hard currency (cash is king) is almost over.
Agree with that point , paid cash for a Golf , would've got a better discount from dealer for finance( not an option for me at the time). The salesman is on a bonus for finance / gap insurance / extras.
Look around a dealership for the sales targets boards . See how they are getting on for the month. Obviously, you can get a better deal closer to the end of the month .
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 12, 2020, 01:44:37 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 12, 2020, 12:01:52 PM
Quote from: illdecide on February 12, 2020, 11:25:37 AM
I was also told the car dealers prefer people coming in getting finance rather than someone coming in to pay car in full, they make more money of you getting it financed. The days of the old hard currency (cash is king) is almost over.
Last 2 cars I bought they woulnd't accept cash... I was f**king raging!
Your cash was in punts and pound notes so hardly surprising.
Not surprising that the cash was in a bag labelled Swag?
Quote from: balladmaker on February 12, 2020, 09:25:23 AM
Have a PCP deal coming to an end after 4 yrs in April. Car is in good shape, almost, apart from needing a new bonnet due to an O'Neill's ball >:( Going to cost approx 550 for fixing it going by prices I've got so far. Car is under the 4 yr mileage allowance by approx. 1k miles, so no issues on that front. When I check the price of a like for like car, same miles, in good shape, they're between 6250 and 7000 at dealerships. (I can buy it outright as part of the PCP deal for 4700)
So my options are:
1: Use car as a trade in for a new one at same dealership. Don't fix bonnet, when bringing it back and see what they say.
2: Use car as a trade in for a new one at same dealership. Fix bonnet before returning it.
3: Hand car back and walk away, with bonnet fixed.
4: Buy car outright, will cost 4700, and own the car (prob get that back as a trade-in elsewhere hopefully)
I'm preferably looking for a change, and not necessarily with the same car type/dealership.
Any thoughts on the most efficient way financially to exit a PCP deal?
I had a similar problem on PCP, couple of marks on different parts of the car. Dealer tried to take about 2k off the lowest value instead of money off the car value when I went to get another car off them. Told him to stick and bought the car outright. I'll get it fixed myself sometime before I trade in again. Put me off PCP completely. Think the salesman was being a knob though as opposed to the system - the dealers manager phoned me flat out after to get me to change my mind.
Anybody any good experiences with PCP? Maybe the car I bought at the time wasn't worth it. Might have been better if it was with a new or newish Merc/BMW/Audi to make it worthwhile
Changing the car. Dealership offering 11.9% APR. Bank offering 11.2%.
Anyone any advice on where else to go or try for finance with better APR? That won't leave a mark on my credit history if I search it up?
Also dealer offering GAP insurance at £399 for 3 years. Not taking it but do want to take out GAP insurance. Again any advice on where to go? Would be looking for 3 years. Thanks
Quote from: on the sideline on February 17, 2020, 05:40:11 PM
Changing the car. Dealership offering 11.9% APR. Bank offering 11.2%.
Anyone any advice on where else to go or try for finance with better APR? That won't leave a mark on my credit history if I search it up?
Also dealer offering GAP insurance at £399 for 3 years. Not taking it but do want to take out GAP insurance. Again any advice on where to go? Would be looking for 3 years. Thanks
That's quite high, surely you can get a better deal than that. Try a different dealer and tell them the last one was offering a crap APR so they'll know you won't accept anything they throw at you...
I just put my car up for sale this afternoon...so am looking at cars atm
Quote from: illdecide on February 17, 2020, 05:47:23 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on February 17, 2020, 05:40:11 PM
Changing the car. Dealership offering 11.9% APR. Bank offering 11.2%.
Anyone any advice on where else to go or try for finance with better APR? That won't leave a mark on my credit history if I search it up?
Also dealer offering GAP insurance at £399 for 3 years. Not taking it but do want to take out GAP insurance. Again any advice on where to go? Would be looking for 3 years. Thanks
That's quite high, surely you can get a better deal than that. Try a different dealer and tell them the last one was offering a crap APR so they'll know you won't accept anything they throw at you...
I just put my car up for sale this afternoon...so am looking at cars atm
Was in a similar position a few years ago. Around 11% APR. took out a loan with a supermarket bank at 3.2% job sorted.
Yup came onto say similar to above, tescos, sainsburys, if accepted, be far superior to yer 11%
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 17, 2020, 07:19:32 PM
Quote from: illdecide on February 17, 2020, 05:47:23 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on February 17, 2020, 05:40:11 PM
Changing the car. Dealership offering 11.9% APR. Bank offering 11.2%.
Anyone any advice on where else to go or try for finance with better APR? That won't leave a mark on my credit history if I search it up?
Also dealer offering GAP insurance at £399 for 3 years. Not taking it but do want to take out GAP insurance. Again any advice on where to go? Would be looking for 3 years. Thanks
That's quite high, surely you can get a better deal than that. Try a different dealer and tell them the last one was offering a crap APR so they'll know you won't accept anything they throw at you...
I just put my car up for sale this afternoon...so am looking at cars atm
Was in a similar position a few years ago. Around 11% APR. took out a loan with a supermarket bank at 3.2% job sorted.
Did you just find those on a price comparison site like Compare the Market? Does searching on those sites count as 'soft search' on your credit history or does it leave a mark on it? Thanks
Quote from: on the sideline on February 17, 2020, 08:15:30 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 17, 2020, 07:19:32 PM
Quote from: illdecide on February 17, 2020, 05:47:23 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on February 17, 2020, 05:40:11 PM
Changing the car. Dealership offering 11.9% APR. Bank offering 11.2%.
Anyone any advice on where else to go or try for finance with better APR? That won't leave a mark on my credit history if I search it up?
Also dealer offering GAP insurance at £399 for 3 years. Not taking it but do want to take out GAP insurance. Again any advice on where to go? Would be looking for 3 years. Thanks
That's quite high, surely you can get a better deal than that. Try a different dealer and tell them the last one was offering a crap APR so they'll know you won't accept anything they throw at you...
I just put my car up for sale this afternoon...so am looking at cars atm
Was in a similar position a few years ago. Around 11% APR. took out a loan with a supermarket bank at 3.2% job sorted.
Did you just find those on a price comparison site like Compare the Market? Does searching on those sites count as 'soft search' on your credit history or does it leave a mark on it? Thanks
It was just advertised in store. Not sure about the soft search.
Thinking of buying an SUV with a budget of 15k - 10k, would appreciate any advice on what and what not to buy, something comfortable, reliable and easy on the eye
Quote from: Targetman on June 11, 2020, 07:15:57 PM
Thinking of buying an SUV with a budget of 15k - 10k, would appreciate any advice on what and what not to buy, something comfortable, reliable and easy on the eye
Seat Ateca supposed to be very good
Quote from: Targetman on June 11, 2020, 07:15:57 PM
Thinking of buying an SUV with a budget of 15k - 10k, would appreciate any advice on what and what not to buy, something comfortable, reliable and easy on the eye
check out Whatcar.com the revies on it are good plus you can compare different makes and models
VW Tiguan - hard to fault in any way, have had 3, 2.0 TDI Golf's before changing to 2.0 TDI Tiguan - excellent car, have it almost 2 yrs now and no bother. It is just as nippy and economical as the Golf with comfortable seating and plenty of room.
Seat Ateca are pretty much a VW anyway and prob a bit cheaper. two good quality SUV's mentioned there that wouldn't too far away from what you're looking
Quote from: Targetman on June 11, 2020, 07:15:57 PM
Thinking of buying an SUV with a budget of 15k - 10k, would appreciate any advice on what and what not to buy, something comfortable, reliable and easy on the eye
Not a big car person but bought a Toyota Rav 4 in 2016 and I love it great car has never given me a bit of trouble and I'd be doing 15k miles a year!
Would anyone be thinking electric - pros and cons?
Quote from: Targetman on June 11, 2020, 07:15:57 PM
Thinking of buying an SUV with a budget of 15k - 10k, would appreciate any advice on what and what not to buy, something comfortable, reliable and easy on the eye
I have a Nissan X-Trail, only a 1.6 but fairly economical on the diesel. Nice to look at and very comfortable to drive.
there wlll be a program on quest next week where they fit electric motors into old cars, Fiat 500, porsche 363. Electric motors have great pulling power but they will be a hard sell until there is good network of charging points.
other choice is a hybrid.
Quote from: Denn Forever on June 13, 2020, 03:07:03 PM
there wlll be a program on quest next week where they fit electric motors into old cars, Fiat 500, porsche 363. Electric motors have great pulling power but they will be a hard sell until there is good network of charging points.
other choice is a hybrid.
Unless you're doing mostly short trips, a hybrid isn't much use apparently
In the market for a car currently. What's the general consensus on PCP vs HP? I know pcp results in lesser monthly payments, with a balloon payment at the end or hand the car back, I had pcp previously but handed car back at end of the deal just because I wanted something different ... interested in what is other's experience with pcp deals?
Quote from: Denn Forever on June 13, 2020, 03:07:03 PM
there wlll be a program on quest next week where they fit electric motors into old cars, Fiat 500, porsche 363. Electric motors have great pulling power but they will be a hard sell until there is good network of charging points.
other choice is a hybrid.
I think the charging points is a less of a problem problem in Ireland compared to more urbanised countries. If you are a EV owner who has a driveway at home that allows them to install their own charger then once you get to about 200-250miles range that is more than enough for the majority of people's daily usage . Assuming you just plug the car in at night, how often would you actually need to charge the car anywhere else? Obviously someone in a terraced house in the city will not be able to do this but I would imagine their average journey will be significantly lower and public transport perhaps a more viable option for many.
The problem then becomes, chicken and egg. If there is not enough charging going on at public chargepoints for the reasons above, its hard to make the financial business case for the infrastructure investment as these things are not cheap. However, as you say without a reliable network people will be less inclined to buy an EV. People might not plan on using public chargers often for the reason above but they still want to have access to it "just in case". The Government wants private companies to invest on the infrastructure. This has had some success in the UK, mainly around larger cities but I am struggling to se how that happens over here without the volume.
Surely changing to electronic ignition would make more sense, no more points.
Usedcarsandonline.com
Does anyone have experience of using the above company?
I'm astounded by the prices which they claim to be so low because they buy repossessed cars in large volumes.
If something seems too good to be true it usually is but its worth checking out...
Crazy prices.
Edit ** their webpage says as seen on love money. Checked love money and can't find anything about them. I'd stay clear unless I found out a lot more!!
Quote from: Emmett on September 29, 2020, 11:21:11 PM
Usedcarsandonline.com
Does anyone have experience of using the above company?
I'm astounded by the prices which they claim to be so low because they buy repossessed cars in large volumes.
If something seems too good to be true it usually is but its worth checking out...
The prices look unbelievable - however the website doesnt.
Cant even filter properly for a start.
Would get some feedback from others before taking it further but let us know how you get on
Prices are unbelievable as said. Would be interested to know if it is legit but you'd definitely be paying by credit card to protect yourself.
Lack of finance and PX seems weird as well. There's very few car places that don't offer finance. Alarm bells are ringing.
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 30, 2020, 10:34:43 AM
Lack of finance and PX seems weird as well. There's very few car places that don't offer finance. Alarm bells are ringing.
You can hardly buy a car without finance these days.....they'll do everything to get you into it.
Yeah the above comments are my sentiments exactly.
I've asked for a sales man to give me a call and I've also emailed a question.
Credit Card would be the way to go. I'm a risk taker but will definitely air on the side of caution until I've investigated a bit more.
Who buys a car at a few grand without evening seeing it never mind test driving it
https://m.facebook.com/oneeyed.jack.1291/posts/2718223995093135
Check this
Quote from: redzone on September 30, 2020, 05:34:17 PM
Who buys a car at a few grand without evening seeing it never mind test driving it
Fastest growing car company in the UK is cazoo, apparently
Quote from: redzone on September 30, 2020, 05:34:17 PM
Who buys a car at a few grand without evening seeing it never mind test driving it
I help sell millions of pounds worth of machinery online every week to customers, who since March have been unable to physically see/test the machinery.
Prices have went up.
I'm after a VW kombi atm, a hard thing to find locally. If I find the right thing online I'll buy it & have it shipped over.
Usedcarsandonline.com is too good to be true unfortunately. Domain registered in Hong Kong, some images on auto.ru & raccars.co.uk
What's the story now for bringing a car into the North from GB with Brexit?
Anyone recommend reputable sites for used cars over there?
Ive bought a couple of Big Motor World this last few years and find them ok. Deal mainly in German Motors.
Quote from: giveherlong on January 13, 2021, 10:08:21 PM
What's the story now for bringing a car into the North from GB with Brexit?
Anyone recommend reputable sites for used cars over there?
Id highly recommend this crowd, Soper in Lincoln. They are a BMW outlet but are constantly flogging good trade ins at low prices. Their business model as they are a BMW outlet, is that they don't want anything thats not BMW hanging around and are happy to get it sold ASAP and a make a couple of hundred quid. You have to act quick as the cars don't hang about. I got a 2015 Honda CRV in mint condition last year, with 30k miles on it. It seemed too good to be true price and spec wise compared to what I was seeing on Autotrader and elsewhere. Asked a mate who is in the game and he said they were legit, with a top class rep. The car came online on the Monday, and I had to pay a deposit to hold it that day, as it was first come first serve. All their motors come with min 6 month MOT and 6 month warranty. I think they might be the biggest BMW outlet in the UK. Might have to wait a bit to get what your looking for from them, but if you have a few different options and your happy that you know a bit about the car your buying, comfortable to drive, model variant history etc (as some variants give more bother than others) and are happy to pull the trigger, go for it. Id have no hesitation getting a motor off them again if they had something I was looking for. Ive brought a few motors back from England, both from private and commercial. No bother with any of them, but this crowd definitely gave me the best peace of mind.
www.soperbmw.co.uk/
Quote from: giveherlong on January 13, 2021, 10:08:21 PM
What's the story now for bringing a car into the North from GB with Brexit?
Anyone recommend reputable sites for used cars over there?
Re Brexit, it has been suggested in the last day that they are trying to bring things back to the way they were in December. I'd fully understand this before getting seriously involved.
Even if they make this change, it will likely remain that a car sold new in NI can be sold on used to the 26 counties without extra VAT, while one imported from Britain cannot.
Anyone drive an Audi Quattro? If so, is it worth the extra for the 4 wheel drive compared to the normal front wheel drive motors.
Do need 4 wheel drive? More things to go wrong.
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 14, 2021, 11:29:01 AM
Do need 4 wheel drive? More things to go wrong.
I live in the country and drive to work on country roads that aren't gritted during the winter. I don't know if that's enough to warrant 4WD. I've a rear wheel drive car at the minute and it's a disaster.
For wintery conditions compared to a rear wheel drive. No argument. Then you have to weigh up just exactly how many wintery (Ice/snow) days we actually get a year to warrant spending extra?
Quote from: JimStynes on January 14, 2021, 12:42:40 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 14, 2021, 11:29:01 AM
Do need 4 wheel drive? More things to go wrong.
I live in the country and drive to work on country roads that aren't gritted during the winter. I don't know if that's enough to warrant 4WD. I've a rear wheel drive car at the minute and it's a disaster.
I have the xdrive BMW and it does make an awful difference on the back roads - mate has the A4 quattro and thinks it's a great job too. No idea how reliable it is though. I found it didn't cost that much extra at the time so I went with it.
Quote from: JimStynes on January 14, 2021, 12:42:40 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 14, 2021, 11:29:01 AM
Do need 4 wheel drive? More things to go wrong.
I live in the country and drive to work on country roads that aren't gritted during the winter. I don't know if that's enough to warrant 4WD. I've a rear wheel drive car at the minute and it's a disaster.
Front wheel drive car with good snow tires might do the trick. If where you live is hilly AWD would work better, but for relatively flat roads FWD will suffice
AWD/4X4 doesn't help if it's icy....it can actually make things worse
Quote from: JimStynes on January 14, 2021, 11:06:24 AM
Anyone drive an Audi Quattro? If so, is it worth the extra for the 4 wheel drive compared to the normal front wheel drive motors.
I drive a Quattro, well at the weekends at least. Q8. Great driving machine. Highly recommend and I drove BMWs before that but wouldn't go back now.
Anyone have experience of the Skoda Kodiaq?
ive seen me reverse round the local country roads in the past due to RWD being horrible in the ice/snow!
Quote from: JimStynes on January 14, 2021, 11:06:24 AM
Anyone drive an Audi Quattro? If so, is it worth the extra for the 4 wheel drive compared to the normal front wheel drive motors.
Go for it. You will not regret it.
I'm in a similar situation and have the peace of mind that barring 4ft of snow that would need a tractor, I'll be able to get where I'm going. Would also disagree with the poster that the AWD system is worse on ice. It's most definitely not - in fact I find it much more sure-footed in all conditions.
With the power going to all wheels, it also wears the tyres much more evenly as the front/rear aren't burning rubber due to slippage when/if you get a bit over-exuberant.
The Audi Quattro system in particular gives next to no hassle in terms of service issues.
Anybody know much about the 'push in' type keys? Maybe all nee cars have them now...lol.
Occasionly the Passatt won't start - seems to be a key issue as lights etc. come on. Five mins later it works perfectly. Not a starter issue either.
Could there be a loose connection in the key itself?
Quote from: marty34 on January 14, 2021, 05:25:17 PM
Anybody know much about the 'push in' type keys? Maybe all nee cars have them now...lol.
Occasionly the Passatt won't start - seems to be a key issue as lights etc. come on. Five mins later it works perfectly. Not a starter issue either.
Could there be a loose connection in the key itself?
How old is the key fob?
The dealership should be able to run a diagnostic on the fob and let you know what the issue is
(The batteries can run low after a year or two, but they can also just stop working-happened me after about 7 years)
It may be more complex, but I'd replace the battery in the key fob as a start off.
When the batteries get low the car doesn't get the signal from the key to tell it that the key is the right one.
Also, when the key gets physically cold, the battery doesn't produce power as well - which you'd only notice in the winter.
If you warm the key up in your hand and it works, it's a cert to be a low batt.
Quote from: JimStynes on January 14, 2021, 12:42:40 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 14, 2021, 11:29:01 AM
Do need 4 wheel drive? More things to go wrong.
I live in the country and drive to work on country roads that aren't gritted during the winter. I don't know if that's enough to warrant 4WD. I've a rear wheel drive car at the minute and it's a disaster.
Winter tyres..... you don't hear of the germans reversing their BMWs around in the snow or ice ;D
Quote from: thebigfella on January 14, 2021, 05:51:09 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 14, 2021, 12:42:40 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 14, 2021, 11:29:01 AM
Do need 4 wheel drive? More things to go wrong.
I live in the country and drive to work on country roads that aren't gritted during the winter. I don't know if that's enough to warrant 4WD. I've a rear wheel drive car at the minute and it's a disaster.
Winter tyres..... you don't hear of the germans reversing their BMWs around in the snow or ice ;D
Even proper all season tyres. People have the wrong tyres in this country, a lot of them are more suitable for California or Andalusia.
Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2021, 05:31:55 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 14, 2021, 05:25:17 PM
Anybody know much about the 'push in' type keys? Maybe all nee cars have them now...lol.
Occasionly the Passatt won't start - seems to be a key issue as lights etc. come on. Five mins later it works perfectly. Not a starter issue either.
Could there be a loose connection in the key itself?
How old is the key fob?
The dealership should be able to run a diagnostic on the fob and let you know what the issue is
(The batteries can run low after a year or two, but they can also just stop working-happened me after about 7 years)
Not sure Whitey, bought it privately second hand last year. 13 year old. Just as a run around. Flew through the MOT in recently...without going to a mechanic - just got 2 new tyres.
Just happens intermitently.
Wouldn't want it to happen in a tight spot some day, so would like it sorted.
Quote from: HiMucker on January 14, 2021, 10:55:17 AM
Quote from: giveherlong on January 13, 2021, 10:08:21 PM
What's the story now for bringing a car into the North from GB with Brexit?
Anyone recommend reputable sites for used cars over there?
Id highly recommend this crowd, Soper in Lincoln. They are a BMW outlet but are constantly flogging good trade ins at low prices. Their business model as they are a BMW outlet, is that they don't want anything thats not BMW hanging around and are happy to get it sold ASAP and a make a couple of hundred quid. You have to act quick as the cars don't hang about. I got a 2015 Honda CRV in mint condition last year, with 30k miles on it. It seemed too good to be true price and spec wise compared to what I was seeing on Autotrader and elsewhere. Asked a mate who is in the game and he said they were legit, with a top class rep. The car came online on the Monday, and I had to pay a deposit to hold it that day, as it was first come first serve. All their motors come with min 6 month MOT and 6 month warranty. I think they might be the biggest BMW outlet in the UK. Might have to wait a bit to get what your looking for from them, but if you have a few different options and your happy that you know a bit about the car your buying, comfortable to drive, model variant history etc (as some variants give more bother than others) and are happy to pull the trigger, go for it. Id have no hesitation getting a motor off them again if they had something I was looking for. Ive brought a few motors back from England, both from private and commercial. No bother with any of them, but this crowd definitely gave me the best peace of mind.
www.soperbmw.co.uk/
Any similar Audi dealers in England?
Quote from: Franko on January 14, 2021, 05:44:25 PM
It may be more complex, but I'd replace the battery in the key fob as a start off.
When the batteries get low the car doesn't get the signal from the key to tell it that the key is the right one.
Also, when the key gets physically cold, the battery doesn't produce power as well - which you'd only notice in the winter.
If you warm the key up in your hand and it works, it's a cert to be a low batt.
Ok. Thanks Franko.
Quote from: JimStynes on January 14, 2021, 09:48:16 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on January 14, 2021, 10:55:17 AM
Quote from: giveherlong on January 13, 2021, 10:08:21 PM
What's the story now for bringing a car into the North from GB with Brexit?
Anyone recommend reputable sites for used cars over there?
Id highly recommend this crowd, Soper in Lincoln. They are a BMW outlet but are constantly flogging good trade ins at low prices. Their business model as they are a BMW outlet, is that they don't want anything thats not BMW hanging around and are happy to get it sold ASAP and a make a couple of hundred quid. You have to act quick as the cars don't hang about. I got a 2015 Honda CRV in mint condition last year, with 30k miles on it. It seemed too good to be true price and spec wise compared to what I was seeing on Autotrader and elsewhere. Asked a mate who is in the game and he said they were legit, with a top class rep. The car came online on the Monday, and I had to pay a deposit to hold it that day, as it was first come first serve. All their motors come with min 6 month MOT and 6 month warranty. I think they might be the biggest BMW outlet in the UK. Might have to wait a bit to get what your looking for from them, but if you have a few different options and your happy that you know a bit about the car your buying, comfortable to drive, model variant history etc (as some variants give more bother than others) and are happy to pull the trigger, go for it. Id have no hesitation getting a motor off them again if they had something I was looking for. Ive brought a few motors back from England, both from private and commercial. No bother with any of them, but this crowd definitely gave me the best peace of mind.
www.soperbmw.co.uk/
Any similar Audi dealers in England?
Maybe they do Audis also..as trade ins?
Certainly be good to find an Audi one, but most garages in England seem decent enough with a bit of warranty and at least you could contact them if anything hsppened.
Privately, in England, it could be hit and miss, pmus you've very little comeback if it goes belly up 6 weeks down the line.
Quote from: marty34 on January 14, 2021, 09:35:56 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2021, 05:31:55 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 14, 2021, 05:25:17 PM
Anybody know much about the 'push in' type keys? Maybe all nee cars have them now...lol.
Occasionly the Passatt won't start - seems to be a key issue as lights etc. come on. Five mins later it works perfectly. Not a starter issue either.
Could there be a loose connection in the key itself?
How old is the key fob?
The dealership should be able to run a diagnostic on the fob and let you know what the issue is
(The batteries can run low after a year or two, but they can also just stop working-happened me after about 7 years)
Not sure Whitey, bought it privately second hand last year. 13 year old. Just as a run around. Flew through the MOT in recently...without going to a mechanic - just got 2 new tyres.
Just happens intermitently.
Wouldn't want it to happen in a tight spot some day, so would like it sorted.
I had 2 key fobs for my car and after 7 years one just stopped working
Guy at the dealership said they sometimes just wear out
If it's a fob you carry in your pocket lint/dust can also get into them. Guy cleaned out mine and blew it with one of those air canisters but it still didn't work
He also recommended, like another poster did, not letting them get too cold
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 13, 2020, 10:39:08 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on June 13, 2020, 03:07:03 PM
there wlll be a program on quest next week where they fit electric motors into old cars, Fiat 500, porsche 363. Electric motors have great pulling power but they will be a hard sell until there is good network of charging points.
other choice is a hybrid.
Unless you're doing mostly short trips, a hybrid isn't much use apparently
Does plug in hybrid get round that issue?
Thinking about changing the car in the summer time but just wondering if it's time for a hybrid or will I still be OK to sell a diesel car in 5 years time and then switch to hybrid/electric then?
Looking at a Volvo XC40 but it's an extra £10k to get the Hybrid so would rather leave it for a few years until it's absolutely necessary! Would a Diesel car be worth a lot less in 2026 when going to sell on?
Quote from: screenexile on February 18, 2021, 05:43:25 PM
Thinking about changing the car in the summer time but just wondering if it's time for a hybrid or will I still be OK to sell a diesel car in 5 years time and then switch to hybrid/electric then?
Looking at a Volvo XC40 but it's an extra £10k to get the Hybrid so would rather leave it for a few years until it's absolutely necessary! Would a Diesel car be worth a lot less in 2026 when going to sell on?
Probably
Go for electric if you don't do big mileage
I'm gonna change the car in a few weeks but haven't decided what to get. I like those new Hyundai Tucson's but they're only available in petrol. I'm also going to have a look at one of the new type Ford Kugas and while I like the Seat Alteca there's very few of them about. My issue is that I don't know what the future will hold for diesel cars in 4 years time when I'm changing again. Any advice??
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 24, 2021, 06:27:48 PM
I'm gonna change the car in a few weeks but haven't decided what to get. I like those new Hyundai Tucson's but they're only available in petrol. I'm also going to have a look at one of the new type Ford Kugas and while I like the Seat Alteca there's very few of them about. My issue is that I don't know what the future will hold for diesel cars in 4 years time when I'm changing again. Any advice??
It's hard to know Dougal. Would you consider a hybrid? The toyota rav 4 is a nice motor. I've driven the older Tucson and it was a much nicer motor to drive than my old santa fe. Think the rav 4 is possibly only in petrol or hybrid also though.
Yes the RAV4 is only in petrol or hybrid. They're a bit pricey when compared with the other 2 that's the only thing
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 24, 2021, 08:10:14 PM
Yes the RAV4 is only in petrol or hybrid. They're a bit pricey when compared with the other 2 that's the only thing
Going for the Ford Puma, it's a hybrid be interested in if it saves me on fuel much, hopefully picking up mid November, apparently Ford are slow with distribution, ordered in July so if you're ordering new beware
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2021, 08:42:47 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 24, 2021, 08:10:14 PM
Yes the RAV4 is only in petrol or hybrid. They're a bit pricey when compared with the other 2 that's the only thing
Going for the Ford Puma, it's a hybrid be interested in if it saves me on fuel much, hopefully picking up mid November, apparently Ford are slow with distribution, ordered in July so if you're ordering new beware
Hopefully it doesn't rot like the original model!
I can't warm to the new Puma at all, probably because I still have one of the originals and it's too far removed from that.
My Dad has a Rav4 Hybrid....deadly job to be fair.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 24, 2021, 06:27:48 PM
I'm gonna change the car in a few weeks but haven't decided what to get. I like those new Hyundai Tucson's but they're only available in petrol. I'm also going to have a look at one of the new type Ford Kugas and while I like the Seat Alteca there's very few of them about. My issue is that I don't know what the future will hold for diesel cars in 4 years time when I'm changing again. Any advice??
If you like the Ateca, take a look at the Skoda or Karoq or the Tiguan too. They're 95% the same car. Bought a Karoq in June as our first family car and I'm very happy with it.
Over here, obviously SEAT is incredibly popular, but it seems like half the cars on the road these days, and an even larger proportions of new ones, are crossover SUVs.
Quote from: gallsman on September 25, 2021, 05:53:41 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 24, 2021, 06:27:48 PM
I'm gonna change the car in a few weeks but haven't decided what to get. I like those new Hyundai Tucson's but they're only available in petrol. I'm also going to have a look at one of the new type Ford Kugas and while I like the Seat Alteca there's very few of them about. My issue is that I don't know what the future will hold for diesel cars in 4 years time when I'm changing again. Any advice??
If you like the Ateca, take a look at the Skoda or Karoq or the Tiguan too. They're 95% the same car. Bought a Karoq in June as our first family car and I'm very happy with it.
Over here, obviously SEAT is incredibly popular, but it seems like half the cars on the road these days, and an even larger proportions of new ones, are crossover SUVs.
My last couple of cars have been SUVs and I'm thinking of going back to something like an estate for my next car. Like you say nearly all cars on the roads nowadays are SUV crossover type cars and I'm kind of bored with them now. In reality they aren't any more practical than the smaller hatchbacks they are all based on and apart from the fact you sit higher up there isn't really any advantage in having one.
I like the look of the Corolla Sports Touring Hybrid or the new Octavia Estate. Far more practical for a lot less money than an SUV.
They're a lot cheaper in the US, and one of the few estate car options available here, but we recently traded in our old, run-into-the-ground, Subaru Outback for a new one. Very happy with it so far, especially the interior, which is like something from another age compared to our previous one. I got the 2.4 L turbo version as the standard 2.5L option is a wee bit underpowered for motorway-type driving, but it's still easier on petrol than the old 3.6L one was.
Subaru are suffering though over here with the chip shortages. They have some Outbacks available, but other models like the Ascent, Forester and Crosstek XV are all presold weeks, even months in advance.
Quote from: laoislad on September 25, 2021, 09:59:58 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 25, 2021, 05:53:41 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 24, 2021, 06:27:48 PM
I'm gonna change the car in a few weeks but haven't decided what to get. I like those new Hyundai Tucson's but they're only available in petrol. I'm also going to have a look at one of the new type Ford Kugas and while I like the Seat Alteca there's very few of them about. My issue is that I don't know what the future will hold for diesel cars in 4 years time when I'm changing again. Any advice??
If you like the Ateca, take a look at the Skoda or Karoq or the Tiguan too. They're 95% the same car. Bought a Karoq in June as our first family car and I'm very happy with it.
Over here, obviously SEAT is incredibly popular, but it seems like half the cars on the road these days, and an even larger proportions of new ones, are crossover SUVs.
My last couple of cars have been SUVs and I'm thinking of going back to something like an estate for my next car. Like you say nearly all cars on the roads nowadays are SUV crossover type cars and I’m kind of bored with them now. In reality they aren't any more practical than the smaller hatchbacks they are all based on and apart from the fact you sit higher up there isn't really any advantage in having one.
I like the look of the Corolla Sports Touring Hybrid or the new Octavia Estate. Far more practical for a lot less money than an SUV.
I like the Octavia Estate but put off by the fact the peelers all drive them up here.
Thanks for all the advice folks.
Quote from: laoislad on September 25, 2021, 09:59:58 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 25, 2021, 05:53:41 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 24, 2021, 06:27:48 PM
I'm gonna change the car in a few weeks but haven't decided what to get. I like those new Hyundai Tucson's but they're only available in petrol. I'm also going to have a look at one of the new type Ford Kugas and while I like the Seat Alteca there's very few of them about. My issue is that I don't know what the future will hold for diesel cars in 4 years time when I'm changing again. Any advice??
If you like the Ateca, take a look at the Skoda or Karoq or the Tiguan too. They're 95% the same car. Bought a Karoq in June as our first family car and I'm very happy with it.
Over here, obviously SEAT is incredibly popular, but it seems like half the cars on the road these days, and an even larger proportions of new ones, are crossover SUVs.
My last couple of cars have been SUVs and I'm thinking of going back to something like an estate for my next car. Like you say nearly all cars on the roads nowadays are SUV crossover type cars and I'm kind of bored with them now. In reality they aren't any more practical than the smaller hatchbacks they are all based on and apart from the fact you sit higher up there isn't really any advantage in having one.
I like the look of the Corolla Sports Touring Hybrid or the new Octavia Estate. Far more practical for a lot less money than an SUV.
Ah, in fairness they're a much more comfortable drive in terms of space and as a family car where you're throwing prams and bags and high chairs and whatever else at them, they're hard to beat.
Agree on the estates though, fantastic cars and bake for money. The Octavia and the Leon estates are great cars.
My lad is 17 at Christmas. Would a Polo or Fiesta be the cheapest to insure but still look decent? Any other recommendations for lads?
Youngest passed her test the other day, Marmalade £105 a month is the cheapest, now that's for a fiat 500 convertible under a named driver on my wife's car insurance. Good luck getting his own insurance for anything cheaper.
About to pull the trigger on buying a used Audi Q5 (handier boot for the new double-pram). Any pitfalls to be aware of from you learned folk? Hoping this will be my last non-hybrid/electric vehicle, to last me at least 5 years.
Quote from: Rois on January 21, 2022, 09:43:59 AM
About to pull the trigger on buying a used Audi Q5 (handier boot for the new double-pram). Any pitfalls to be aware of from you learned folk? Hoping this will be my last non-hybrid/electric vehicle, to last me at least 5 years.
Other than the cost of fuel they are a beaut! The in laws had the smaller version no complaints, they have always went with Audi though..
Health to drive!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2021, 08:42:47 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 24, 2021, 08:10:14 PM
Yes the RAV4 is only in petrol or hybrid. They're a bit pricey when compared with the other 2 that's the only thing
Going for the Ford Puma, it's a hybrid be interested in if it saves me on fuel much, hopefully picking up mid November, apparently Ford are slow with distribution, ordered in July so if you're ordering new beware
Did you find much of saving on fuel with the hybrid in the end? Just curious.
I bought a car in March and it's worth a few thousand more now than it was then. The market is ridiculous at the minute.
Quote from: JimStynes on January 21, 2022, 11:04:27 AM
I bought a car in March and it's worth a few thousand more now than it was then. The market is ridiculous at the minute.
Bought a car in July and finding the same car with same miles £3k dearer on the sites... lucky to get it when I did!!
Quote from: screenexile on January 21, 2022, 11:12:14 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 21, 2022, 11:04:27 AM
I bought a car in March and it's worth a few thousand more now than it was then. The market is ridiculous at the minute.
Bought a car in July and finding the same car with same miles £3k dearer on the sites... lucky to get it when I did!!
Yep, fairly sickening. I've had to adjust the budget upwards, but the supply issues on new cars aren't getting any better in the short term.
OH bought a car in 2018, saw one in the dealers last Sat that is one year younger but has same miles, and is the price that he paid. Effectively his current car could be sold at about £1.5-£2k less than he paid for it in 2018.
Quote from: lurganblue on January 21, 2022, 10:12:50 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2021, 08:42:47 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 24, 2021, 08:10:14 PM
Yes the RAV4 is only in petrol or hybrid. They're a bit pricey when compared with the other 2 that's the only thing
Going for the Ford Puma, it's a hybrid be interested in if it saves me on fuel much, hopefully picking up mid November, apparently Ford are slow with distribution, ordered in July so if you're ordering new beware
Did you find much of saving on fuel with the hybrid in the end? Just curious.
Nah, its a very mild hybrid so not noticing any savings at all if I'm being honest. Nice drive all the same, was due to collect it in late October, only got it start of the year.
Motor industry is struggling for processors
Anyone have an Audi and have plug and play installed? I noticed that Portadown Audi are offering to install it for free. I'm just wonder what the catch is? Is it because it links to their garage for scheduling a service etc?
Have three kids under 5. How have you all managed it vehicle wise? Don't want to go for a people carrier to be able to fit three child seats but the larger jeeps with sufficient isofix etc are all crazy money
Quote from: joebloggs on January 22, 2022, 06:59:21 PM
Have three kids under 5. How have you all managed it vehicle wise? Don't want to go for a people carrier to be able to fit three child seats but the larger jeeps with sufficient isofix etc are all crazy money
I have 3. All under 5 at one stage. I had to go for a santa fe couldn't safely fit 3 child seats in the 1 row. Not sure how others do it.
Quote from: joebloggs on January 22, 2022, 06:59:21 PM
Have three kids under 5. How have you all managed it vehicle wise? Don't want to go for a people carrier to be able to fit three child seats but the larger jeeps with sufficient isofix etc are all crazy money
People carrier is really the only solution imo. They aren't pretty or great to drive but they are functional and practical which really is what you need.I've 3 boys.
We have a Renault Scenic as the family car and the 3 all fit in the back easily,pretty large boot in it also.
Look it's only for a few years. My older two are getting to the stage where they will be too big for car seats soon so when we change that car we can get something a little less boring!
Quote from: Rois on January 21, 2022, 11:15:16 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 21, 2022, 11:12:14 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 21, 2022, 11:04:27 AM
I bought a car in March and it's worth a few thousand more now than it was then. The market is ridiculous at the minute.
Bought a car in July and finding the same car with same miles £3k dearer on the sites... lucky to get it when I did!!
Yep, fairly sickening. I've had to adjust the budget upwards, but the supply issues on new cars aren't getting any better in the short term.
OH bought a car in 2018, saw one in the dealers last Sat that is one year younger but has same miles, and is the price that he paid. Effectively his current car could be sold at about £1.5-£2k less than he paid for it in 2018.
It's properly crazy. I bought my car in November 2019. It was a February 19 car with 8k miles. Was in the dealer the other day looking what I paid for mine for a February 19 car with 40k miles on it.
Also bought a VW UP in Summer 19. It was a 15 Up. Got it for 4.5k. Went looking in October time out of curiosity and couldn't find a 15 up for less than 6k.
The one that blew my mind though was the Volvo XC 40. In October they were cheaper new than second hand because of the 4-5 month wait.
All that said though as a result we got a simply phenomenal deal on an XC 60. Less than £400 a month with a 10k mileage pcp. Big balloon payment admittedly but I'll just hand it back in 3 years and go again. The catch was it won't arrive till Spring but that suited us fine
Quote from: joebloggs on January 22, 2022, 06:59:21 PM
Have three kids under 5. How have you all managed it vehicle wise? Don't want to go for a people carrier to be able to fit three child seats but the larger jeeps with sufficient isofix etc are all crazy money
I think a VW Touran can take 3 across in the back - and has done so for a number of years now.
OK, people carrier it is - but a small enough one rather than a 3 row bus.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on January 22, 2022, 09:33:10 PM
Quote from: joebloggs on January 22, 2022, 06:59:21 PM
Have three kids under 5. How have you all managed it vehicle wise? Don't want to go for a people carrier to be able to fit three child seats but the larger jeeps with sufficient isofix etc are all crazy money
I think a VW Touran can take 3 across in the back - and has done so for a number of years now.
OK, people carrier it is - but a small enough one rather than a 3 row bus.
I was in this boat a few years back. I had an outlander, sorrento and a Peugeot 5008. All can fit 3 child seats in back and I went with 7 seat versions of them all although I seldom used the back 2. Sorento was my favourite
Q5 has isofix in the front passenger seat.
Quote from: lurganblue on January 22, 2022, 08:50:35 AM
Anyone have an Audi and have plug and play installed? I noticed that Portadown Audi are offering to install it for free. I'm just wonder what the catch is? Is it because it links to their garage for scheduling a service etc?
I think it's all about data. If there is something wrong with our car a message comes up on the dashboard screen giving the nature of the problem and advising to go to the garage. At the garage the first thing the mechanics do is look at the car computer.
Quote from: laoislad on January 22, 2022, 07:54:20 PM
Quote from: joebloggs on January 22, 2022, 06:59:21 PM
Have three kids under 5. How have you all managed it vehicle wise? Don't want to go for a people carrier to be able to fit three child seats but the larger jeeps with sufficient isofix etc are all crazy money
People carrier is really the only solution imo. They aren't pretty or great to drive but they are functional and practical which really is what you need.I've 3 boys.
We have a Renault Scenic as the family car and the 3 all fit in the back easily,pretty large boot in it also.
Look it's only for a few years. My older two are getting to the stage where they will be too big for car seats soon so when we change that car we can get something a little less boring!
I'd agree with that. I had 3 under 3 with a set of twins so I had no choice but to go with the people carrier between the 3 isofix seats in the back and a double buggy in the boot. Had a grand picasso for herself and just by chance my company car was changing and I got a grand scenic, probably could of done without 2 but it was handy at the time. Neither are very exciting but they were handy for what they were needed for. Kept both for 5 years and was able to go back to whatever else after that.
Quote from: Rois on January 22, 2022, 10:39:05 PM
Q5 has isofix in the front passenger seat.
Interesting Rois, interesting :D
Quote from: laoislad on January 22, 2022, 07:54:20 PM
Quote from: joebloggs on January 22, 2022, 06:59:21 PM
Have three kids under 5. How have you all managed it vehicle wise? Don't want to go for a people carrier to be able to fit three child seats but the larger jeeps with sufficient isofix etc are all crazy money
People carrier is really the only solution imo. They aren't pretty or great to drive but they are functional and practical which really is what you need.I've 3 boys.
We have a Renault Scenic as the family car and the 3 all fit in the back easily,pretty large boot in it also.
Look it's only for a few years. My older two are getting to the stage where they will be too big for car seats soon so when we change that car we can get something a little less boring!
Yeah people carrier is the only way. I've been through my share.
I'd avoid the Renaults (Espace/Scenic), they give serious engine and electrics issues.
Best I found was actually the ford galaxy. Good space all around and the boot seats fold into the floor giving a massive boot when in 5 seat mode.
At 130bhp they are also a decent drive, not much different than driving a Mondeo. We still have a 2008 model with about 160K...it's getting rough around the edges (what family car isnt), but mechanically the biggest job it has ever needed is a clutch.
We keep thinking of changing, but a decent people carrier is expensive and ours still does the job, just doesn't look great. But I've no car payment and the car is as reliable as ever. Even with the cost of vehicles going up, ours is still worth only £1500 i reckon, but it does the job. So i'm finding it hard to take on a payment to get something that looks better.
Volvo XC90 is a good 7 seater too with the boot seats folding down and some models have a built in booster seat. You can get 3 car seats in the middle row at a squeeze.
Not the same leg space as a Galaxy, but a bit more refined. The newer model XC90 are expensive though and hard to run.
Key to all of them is to keep them serviced. Even and extra oil change between service intervals doesn't go astray.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 24, 2022, 11:36:06 AM
Quote from: laoislad on January 22, 2022, 07:54:20 PM
Quote from: joebloggs on January 22, 2022, 06:59:21 PM
Have three kids under 5. How have you all managed it vehicle wise? Don't want to go for a people carrier to be able to fit three child seats but the larger jeeps with sufficient isofix etc are all crazy money
People carrier is really the only solution imo. They aren't pretty or great to drive but they are functional and practical which really is what you need.I've 3 boys.
We have a Renault Scenic as the family car and the 3 all fit in the back easily,pretty large boot in it also.
Look it's only for a few years. My older two are getting to the stage where they will be too big for car seats soon so when we change that car we can get something a little less boring!
Yeah people carrier is the only way. I've been through my share.
I'd avoid the Renaults (Espace/Scenic), they give serious engine and electrics issues.
We've had a Renault Scenic for 5 years and it's never given an ounce of trouble, wouldn't hesitate to recommend one. The Renault 1.5dci engine is one of the most reliable engines there is. Nothing fancy about it but it just works.
we stumbled across a Kia Carens 7 seater and I literally mean that. We've looked at Santa Fe's and the big Kia Sportage which my wife didn't like as it was "too big" and I just happened to ask the sales rep if they'd any other 7 seaters and it turned out I was leaning against it..
They aren't overly big but I've put all 5 in mine regularly for long enough trips with a little storage and its fine, decent enough fit out on the "4" version, not overly powerful but no big issues in the 60K miles I've put on it to date.
Quote from: laoislad on January 24, 2022, 11:53:08 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 24, 2022, 11:36:06 AM
Quote from: laoislad on January 22, 2022, 07:54:20 PM
Quote from: joebloggs on January 22, 2022, 06:59:21 PM
Have three kids under 5. How have you all managed it vehicle wise? Don't want to go for a people carrier to be able to fit three child seats but the larger jeeps with sufficient isofix etc are all crazy money
People carrier is really the only solution imo. They aren't pretty or great to drive but they are functional and practical which really is what you need.I've 3 boys.
We have a Renault Scenic as the family car and the 3 all fit in the back easily,pretty large boot in it also.
Look it's only for a few years. My older two are getting to the stage where they will be too big for car seats soon so when we change that car we can get something a little less boring!
Yeah people carrier is the only way. I've been through my share.
I'd avoid the Renaults (Espace/Scenic), they give serious engine and electrics issues.
We've had a Renault Scenic for 5 years and it's never given an ounce of trouble, wouldn't hesitate to recommend one. The Renault 1.5dci engine is one of the most reliable engines there is. Nothing fancy about it but it just works.
The one I had give no bother at all from new until about 120k miles and then all of a sudden everything went wrong with it. It was a company car so they just scrapped it. Was just over 4 years old too. I liked it to be fair, it drove well up to that point. We went to France with it a couple of times.
Quote from: johnnycool on January 24, 2022, 12:05:28 PM
we stumbled across a Kia Carens 7 seater and I literally mean that. We've looked at Santa Fe's and the big Kia Sportage which my wife didn't like as it was "too big" and I just happened to ask the sales rep if they'd any other 7 seaters and it turned out I was leaning against it..
They aren't overly big but I've put all 5 in mine regularly for long enough trips with a little storage and its fine, decent enough fit out on the "4" version, not overly powerful but no big issues in the 60K miles I've put on it to date.
Its amazing how car sizes are perceived in Ireland and in the US.
In the US, the Sportage is classed as a compact (i.e. small) SUV.
Kia sells the larger Sorrento here, which would be classed as mid-size, similar to the Santa Fe.
Then they have the even larger Telluride, which amazingly is also mid-size by the ludicrous US standards (its a bloody big vehicle). Gets rave reviews BTW.
Cost obviously has a lot to do with it.
I have a Subaru Outback, a big enough car by most sensible standards, also because I have kids. If I was in Ireland, I wouldn't be able to afford it in a million years. The base engine version of the model I have, which is the only engine they offer in Ireland, costs 61K euros (roughly 70K dollars). I got the turbo version here for about 40K dollars.
Quote from: J70 on January 24, 2022, 12:58:36 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 24, 2022, 12:05:28 PM
we stumbled across a Kia Carens 7 seater and I literally mean that. We've looked at Santa Fe's and the big Kia Sportage which my wife didn't like as it was "too big" and I just happened to ask the sales rep if they'd any other 7 seaters and it turned out I was leaning against it..
They aren't overly big but I've put all 5 in mine regularly for long enough trips with a little storage and its fine, decent enough fit out on the "4" version, not overly powerful but no big issues in the 60K miles I've put on it to date.
Its amazing how car sizes are perceived in Ireland and in the US.
In the US, the Sportage is classed as a compact (i.e. small) SUV.
Kia sells the larger Sorrento here, which would be classed as mid-size, similar to the Santa Fe.
Then they have the even larger Telluride, which amazingly is also mid-size by the ludicrous US standards (its a bloody big vehicle). Gets rave reviews BTW.
Cost obviously has a lot to do with it.
I have a Subaru Outback, a big enough car by most sensible standards, also because I have kids. If I was in Ireland, I wouldn't be able to afford it in a million years. The base engine version of the model I have, which is the only engine they offer in Ireland, costs 61K euros (roughly 70K dollars). I got the turbo version here for about 40K dollars.
I assume he meant the Sorrento as it as you say is the equivalent of the Sante Fe. They sell them here in Ireland too and they are a fine bus. In fact, if you try to buy a new one you will be waiting they are so popular and there are supply issues.
Quote from: Itchy on January 24, 2022, 01:02:45 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 24, 2022, 12:58:36 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 24, 2022, 12:05:28 PM
we stumbled across a Kia Carens 7 seater and I literally mean that. We've looked at Santa Fe's and the big Kia Sportage which my wife didn't like as it was "too big" and I just happened to ask the sales rep if they'd any other 7 seaters and it turned out I was leaning against it..
They aren't overly big but I've put all 5 in mine regularly for long enough trips with a little storage and its fine, decent enough fit out on the "4" version, not overly powerful but no big issues in the 60K miles I've put on it to date.
Its amazing how car sizes are perceived in Ireland and in the US.
In the US, the Sportage is classed as a compact (i.e. small) SUV.
Kia sells the larger Sorrento here, which would be classed as mid-size, similar to the Santa Fe.
Then they have the even larger Telluride, which amazingly is also mid-size by the ludicrous US standards (its a bloody big vehicle). Gets rave reviews BTW.
Cost obviously has a lot to do with it.
I have a Subaru Outback, a big enough car by most sensible standards, also because I have kids. If I was in Ireland, I wouldn't be able to afford it in a million years. The base engine version of the model I have, which is the only engine they offer in Ireland, costs 61K euros (roughly 70K dollars). I got the turbo version here for about 40K dollars.
I assume he meant the Sorrento as it as you say is the equivalent of the Sante Fe. They sell them here in Ireland too and they are a fine bus. In fact, if you try to buy a new one you will be waiting they are so popular and there are supply issues.
Yes, it's the actual Sorrento I meant, Sportage isn't 7 seater IIRC..
Had Renault Scenic when our kids were young, plenty of space and a decent motor, but blew up on the motorway, maybe 100k miles, not sure I never did drive it that much. I got the Santa Fe after that for a couple of years before selling it on, great car and plenty of space for kit hurls and whatever else was shoved into it, once something went wrong with it I fixed it and sold it for the same amount I paid for it.
I just lease cars now for 3 years, less hassle.
Quote from: general on January 25, 2022, 10:00:15 AM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on January 24, 2022, 11:22:59 AM
Quote from: Rois on January 22, 2022, 10:39:05 PM
Q5 has isofix in the front passenger seat.
Interesting Rois, interesting :D
As does the A6 Avant
What ever happened to just putting the wee ones on your knees? I remember leaving the kids (back in the day) at my parents, leaving the car seat and every time I seen them in the car they were always on my mums lap!! Wife was going crazy on the inside but all nice on the outside lol!!
Quote from: general on January 25, 2022, 10:00:15 AM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on January 24, 2022, 11:22:59 AM
Quote from: Rois on January 22, 2022, 10:39:05 PM
Q5 has isofix in the front passenger seat.
Interesting Rois, interesting :D
As does the A6 Avant
I went to see one of those but my friend laughed at me and said it was like a Ghostbusters car (it was white), which put me off.
My advise would be to stay clear of the French manufacturers. Pay the extra and go German -- you will have less trouble.
Quote from: GJL on January 25, 2022, 10:39:32 AM
My advise would be to stay clear of the French manufacturers. Pay the extra and go German -- you will have less trouble.
Be careful what models though. I think the likes of Merc A class is only properly Mercedes made in 2litre models and above that. 1.5l are apparently a Renault engine.
Quote from: GJL on January 25, 2022, 10:39:32 AM
My advise would be to stay clear of the French manufacturers. Pay the extra and go German -- you will have less trouble.
What's your take on the new Landrovers GJL?
Hearing of poor build quality on the Discos and Evoques. What's your experience of them?
Quote from: johnnycool on January 25, 2022, 11:11:19 AM
Quote from: GJL on January 25, 2022, 10:39:32 AM
My advise would be to stay clear of the French manufacturers. Pay the extra and go German -- you will have less trouble.
What's your take on the new Landrovers GJL?
Hearing of poor build quality on the Discos and Evoques. What's your experience of them?
I've heard that said about land rover for years but there's so many of them about. Would mind one of them or the Q5 or Bmw X3.
Quote from: GJL on January 25, 2022, 10:39:32 AM
My advise would be to stay clear of the French manufacturers. Pay the extra and go German -- you will have less trouble.
The Peugeot SUVs are great, reliable cars. Have a couple of friends who have had the 3008 and the 5008 without a word of complaint.
Having bought a house in the sticks over here we needed a second car for a runaround. Couldn't believe the second hand market. A 6 year old Leon with 100k km on it would have cost 12-14 grand. Bought a brand new Kamiq on PCP instead to go with the Karoq. Very happy with it so far.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2022, 01:22:40 PM
Had Renault Scenic when our kids were young, plenty of space and a decent motor, but blew up on the motorway, maybe 100k miles, not sure I never did drive it that much. I got the Santa Fe after that for a couple of years before selling it on, great car and plenty of space for kit hurls and whatever else was shoved into it, once something went wrong with it I fixed it and sold it for the same amount I paid for it.
I just lease cars now for 3 years, less hassle.
I had a wee 1.5dci Scenic. Engine never gave trouble but I was tortured with electrical issues ranging from windows to handbrake and a multitude of other fiddly things.
I also had a 2.2dci Espace. It blew the engine at about 60K. I got the engine rebuilt and it blew again at about 67K. I bought a new (35K) engine and guess what, it blew as well. I finished up scrapping the car as engineless it was worthless. Cost me an absolute fortune.
Lots of people go the lease route now, personally I'd rather buy a car I can afford at the point in time and have no payments. Everyone has their own take on that though....what suits one won't suit another. Although with the price of cars now, it's getting more and more difficult just to buy one.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2022, 10:07:21 AM
Quote from: general on January 25, 2022, 10:00:15 AM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on January 24, 2022, 11:22:59 AM
Quote from: Rois on January 22, 2022, 10:39:05 PM
Q5 has isofix in the front passenger seat.
Interesting Rois, interesting :D
As does the A6 Avant
What ever happened to just putting the wee ones on your knees? I remember leaving the kids (back in the day) at my parents, leaving the car seat and every time I seen them in the car they were always on my mums lap!! Wife was going crazy on the inside but all nice on the outside lol!!
I remember growing up and we used to fight over who got to stand between the drivers and passengers seats!
Different times. Cars did'nt travel at the same speeds back then though and there wasn't as many on the road, but still. Dodgy as!
Quote from: gallsman on January 25, 2022, 11:24:49 AM
Quote from: GJL on January 25, 2022, 10:39:32 AM
My advise would be to stay clear of the French manufacturers. Pay the extra and go German -- you will have less trouble.
The Peugeot SUVs are great, reliable cars. Have a couple of friends who have had the 3008 and the 5008 without a word of complaint.
Having bought a house in the sticks over here we needed a second car for a runaround. Couldn't believe the second hand market. A 6 year old Leon with 100k km on it would have cost 12-14 grand. Bought a brand new Kamiq on PCP instead to go with the Karoq. Very happy with it so far.
I have to say I like the look of the Skoda SUVs. The Kodiaq looks like a great bus. Anyone got one?
It's what I have in the back of my head as my preferred option if we change our car.
It's a pity alot of the German cars are now boring and fugly looking. They haven't really moved on with their designs. People like paying for the badge which is fair enough if that's what they want but there isn't a BMW or Audi or VW I'd buy right now as I think they all look bland.
Actually I would like the VW Arteon but that's about it.
I know they are owned by German companies now but the Skodas and Seats are better looking cars now imo.
Quote from: johnnycool on January 25, 2022, 11:11:19 AM
Quote from: GJL on January 25, 2022, 10:39:32 AM
My advise would be to stay clear of the French manufacturers. Pay the extra and go German -- you will have less trouble.
What's your take on the new Landrovers GJL?
Hearing of poor build quality on the Discos and Evoques. What's your experience of them?
WhatCar review of cars in terms of reliability in 2020 had Landrover as the least reliable car on the road. I know a guy who had a top spec Range Rover he bought from new, in the first year of ownership is spent about 7 months getting repairs. He finally threw the head up and they had to take it back.
List in full:
Lease Reliable
1. Land Rover
2. Renault
3. Tesla
4. Nissan
5. Vauxhall
6. Mercedes
7. Peugeot
8. Audi
9. MG
10. Porshce
Most Reliable:
1. Lexus
2. Mitsubishi
3. Toyota
4. Mini
5. Skoda
6. Hyundai
7. Kia
8. Honda
9. BMW
10. Mazda
with the speed at which cars are changing - electric etc leasing might be a sensible option
Quote from: laoislad on January 25, 2022, 11:45:15 AM
It's a pity alot of the German cars are now boring and fugly looking. They haven't really moved on with their designs. People like paying for the badge which is fair enough if that's what they want but there isn't a BMW or Audi or VW I'd buy right now as I think they all look bland.
Actually I would like the VW Arteon but that's about it.
I know they are owned by German companies now but the Skodas and Seats are better looking cars now imo.
I liked the Superb Estate but nearly every one on the road now is a cop car which has put me right off them. I like the Volvo V90 Estate but no idea about reliability.
How can Audi and Skoda be on different lists?
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Quote from: laoislad on January 25, 2022, 11:45:15 AM
It's a pity alot of the German cars are now boring and fugly looking. They haven't really moved on with their designs. People like paying for the badge which is fair enough if that's what they want but there isn't a BMW or Audi or VW I'd buy right now as I think they all look bland.
Actually I would like the VW Arteon but that's about it.
I know they are owned by German companies now but the Skodas and Seats are better looking cars now imo.
I liked the Superb Estate but nearly every one on the road now is a cop car which has put me right off them. I like the Volvo V90 Estate but no idea about reliability.
I like Estates myself have enough of the SUVs. I'm going to go back to an estate for my next car. New Octavia Estate is lovely.
Quote from: general_lee on January 25, 2022, 12:37:59 PM
How can Audi and Skoda be on different lists?
Essentially the same car. I'd take lists like that with a pinch of salt. God knows what sort of deals are done behind the scenes when lists like this are compiled.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 25, 2022, 12:33:16 PM
Quote from: laoislad on January 25, 2022, 11:45:15 AM
It's a pity alot of the German cars are now boring and fugly looking. They haven't really moved on with their designs. People like paying for the badge which is fair enough if that's what they want but there isn't a BMW or Audi or VW I'd buy right now as I think they all look bland.
Actually I would like the VW Arteon but that's about it.
I know they are owned by German companies now but the Skodas and Seats are better looking cars now imo.
I liked the Superb Estate but nearly every one on the road now is a cop car which has put me right off them. I like the Volvo V90 Estate but no idea about reliability.
Im in a Volvo V60 - bought late 2019 and have put 50k miles on
Great car
Roomy - easy to drop seats etc for golf clubs and larger loads
Running wise solid and quiet on the road
Economy wise 40-44 mpg without aircon which drops to 35-38 when running
Some of the tech is brilliant and safety features are good
No space saver wheel or puncture repair kit as standard so had to purchase one after i realised :-\
Having moved from passat to mazda 6 to 2 different mondeos I can safely say ill be in a volvo for while to come
Quote from: laoislad on January 25, 2022, 11:45:15 AM
It's a pity alot of the German cars are now boring and fugly looking. They haven't really moved on with their designs. People like paying for the badge which is fair enough if that's what they want but there isn't a BMW or Audi or VW I'd buy right now as I think they all look bland.
Actually I would like the VW Arteon but that's about it.
I know they are owned by German companies now but the Skodas and Seats are better looking cars now imo.
I bought one back in July 3 years old and I've loved it ever since... well except the EGR valve went last week just a few weeks out of warranty!!!
But other than that it's been grand.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 25, 2022, 11:49:06 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 25, 2022, 11:11:19 AM
Quote from: GJL on January 25, 2022, 10:39:32 AM
My advise would be to stay clear of the French manufacturers. Pay the extra and go German -- you will have less trouble.
What's your take on the new Landrovers GJL?
Hearing of poor build quality on the Discos and Evoques. What's your experience of them?
WhatCar review of cars in terms of reliability in 2020 had Landrover as the least reliable car on the road. I know a guy who had a top spec Range Rover he bought from new, in the first year of ownership is spent about 7 months getting repairs. He finally threw the head up and they had to take it back.
List in full:
Lease Reliable
1. Land Rover
2. Renault
3. Tesla
4. Nissan
5. Vauxhall
6. Mercedes
7. Peugeot
8. Audi
9. MG
10. Porshce
Most Reliable:
1. Lexus
2. Mitsubishi
3. Toyota
4. Mini
5. Skoda
6. Hyundai
7. Kia
8. Honda
9. BMW
10. Mazda
I've got the Kia Sportage and think it's a great car. Bought it about 8 months ago so it's 3 years old almost now. Haven't had any bother.
Had the Kia Stonic for 3 years, was great, absolutely no issues either. Kia are grand
Quote from: screenexile on January 25, 2022, 03:25:20 PM
Quote from: laoislad on January 25, 2022, 11:45:15 AM
It's a pity alot of the German cars are now boring and fugly looking. They haven't really moved on with their designs. People like paying for the badge which is fair enough if that's what they want but there isn't a BMW or Audi or VW I'd buy right now as I think they all look bland.
Actually I would like the VW Arteon but that's about it.
I know they are owned by German companies now but the Skodas and Seats are better looking cars now imo.
I bought one back in July 3 years old and I've loved it ever since... well except the EGR valve went last week just a few weeks out of warranty!!!
But other than that it's been grand.
Is there something with VAGs and EGR valves?
Quote from: laoislad on January 25, 2022, 12:49:28 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 25, 2022, 12:33:16 PM
Quote from: laoislad on January 25, 2022, 11:45:15 AM
It's a pity alot of the German cars are now boring and fugly looking. They haven't really moved on with their designs. People like paying for the badge which is fair enough if that's what they want but there isn't a BMW or Audi or VW I'd buy right now as I think they all look bland.
Actually I would like the VW Arteon but that's about it.
I know they are owned by German companies now but the Skodas and Seats are better looking cars now imo.
I liked the Superb Estate but nearly every one on the road now is a cop car which has put me right off them. I like the Volvo V90 Estate but no idea about reliability.
I like Estates myself have enough of the SUVs. I'm going to go back to an estate for my next car. New Octavia Estate is lovely.
My son in law has just bought the Octavia Scout, it's a great car. I'm on my third Superb and can't see me buying anything other than Skoda.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 25, 2022, 11:39:06 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2022, 01:22:40 PM
Had Renault Scenic when our kids were young, plenty of space and a decent motor, but blew up on the motorway, maybe 100k miles, not sure I never did drive it that much. I got the Santa Fe after that for a couple of years before selling it on, great car and plenty of space for kit hurls and whatever else was shoved into it, once something went wrong with it I fixed it and sold it for the same amount I paid for it.
I just lease cars now for 3 years, less hassle.
I had a wee 1.5dci Scenic. Engine never gave trouble but I was tortured with electrical issues ranging from windows to handbrake and a multitude of other fiddly things.
I also had a 2.2dci Espace. It blew the engine at about 60K. I got the engine rebuilt and it blew again at about 67K. I bought a new (35K) engine and guess what, it blew as well. I finished up scrapping the car as engineless it was worthless. Cost me an absolute fortune.
Lots of people go the lease route now, personally I'd rather buy a car I can afford at the point in time and have no payments. Everyone has their own take on that though....what suits one won't suit another. Although with the price of cars now, it's getting more and more difficult just to buy one.
Parents had a Renault back in the 80s and it was the same then. Loads of little fiddly things breaking.
Looking at some options for a second family car. Anyone have any experience of the B Class Mercs?
Quote from: general_lee on January 25, 2022, 12:37:59 PM
How can Audi and Skoda be on different lists?
Easy.
Skoda is using the techonology from Audi's from 5 years ago.
Mature technology - understood better and faults that caused reliability issues corrected.
Always went down the route of buying my cars outright, only buy what I could afford, sometimes with a bit of help from the CU and drive it until I had my moneys worth.
However now, looking at the second hand market, I am considering going down the PCP route, upfront deposit, then monthly payments for 3-4 years (bit like the CU) but at the end of the period I won't own the car and will have to jump back in and go again.
What are the benefits and drawbacks?
Are there any pitfalls I need to be aware of?
Quote from: LeoMc on January 27, 2022, 11:25:27 AM
Always went down the route of buying my cars outright, only buy what I could afford, sometimes with a bit of help from the CU and drive it until I had my moneys worth.
However now, looking at the second hand market, I am considering going down the PCP route, upfront deposit, then monthly payments for 3-4 years (bit like the CU) but at the end of the period I won't own the car and will have to jump back in and go again.
What are the benefits and drawbacks?
Are there any pitfalls I need to be aware of?
I used PCP previously because I had a company car and no deposit saved up. I ended up buying the car outright at the end of the payment period and then trading it in elsewhere because I thought they were taking the piss when they made me the buy out offer. Probably wasn't that bad in hindsight but I think it worked out ok.
If you're going PCP go for a brand that holds the value better and go close to new to get the good out of it. It's best to be prepared to stay in the PCP system for a while and just aim to keep your payments somewhat similar to the previous one.
I used a bank loan last time, cheaper than CU, but I would use PCP again if needed. Going to look into leasing for changing the wife's car next time out.
I'm leasing my car and my wife's is PCP, we've been doing so for a number of years, the benefits, new car and very rarely (in our case never) breaks down so never getting if fixed, we are fortunate to be able to afford that, but for years I'd have a shitty car and the wife half decent car and we were always waiting on it breaking down or having to get another car. Down side is getting the right mileage, I'm 13,000 miles per year, just about enough, go over that its like 7/8 pence per mile.
I'm on my second leased car wife is in her 3rd PCP car
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2022, 01:26:27 PM
I'm leasing my car and my wife's is PCP, we've been doing so for a number of years, the benefits, new car and very rarely (in our case never) breaks down so never getting if fixed, we are fortunate to be able to afford that, but for years I'd have a shitty car and the wife half decent car and we were always waiting on it breaking down or having to get another car. Down side is getting the right mileage, I'm 13,000 miles per year, just about enough, go over that its like 7/8 pence per mile.
I'm on my second leased car wife is in her 3rd PCP car
You're making a fortune at that referee game. Nice wee side earner.
Quote from: JimStynes on January 27, 2022, 01:45:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2022, 01:26:27 PM
I'm leasing my car and my wife's is PCP, we've been doing so for a number of years, the benefits, new car and very rarely (in our case never) breaks down so never getting if fixed, we are fortunate to be able to afford that, but for years I'd have a shitty car and the wife half decent car and we were always waiting on it breaking down or having to get another car. Down side is getting the right mileage, I'm 13,000 miles per year, just about enough, go over that its like 7/8 pence per mile.
I'm on my second leased car wife is in her 3rd PCP car
You're making a fortune at that referee game. Nice wee side earner.
Need to just do local games, keep the miles down ;)
Any particular national/county PCP dealers you recommend?
Have used PCP last 5 or 6 years. No complaints. If going the PCP route, or HP from the car dealer, check out your bank deal first. My bank's rate on PCP is much better than the dealer's.
Quote from: Armamike on January 27, 2022, 06:05:10 PM
Have used PCP last 5 or 6 years. No complaints. If going the PCP route, or HP from the car dealer, check out your bank deal first. My bank's rate on PCP is much better than the dealer's.
The brother in law talked a dealer into a good deal on the basis of what the dealer thought would be finance then the brother in law came back and bought it at the same price through his own finance. Dealer not too happy but still made the sale and I'm sure he didn't give it away.
I did the same myself and the sales guy wasn't happy.They do try and push their finance but there was around 6% APR difference.
Not about a new car per say but what's the story of buying a second hand car in England, Scotland or Wales these days and bringing it back to the north?
Can it be done or is there Brexit paperwork and hassle involved?
I've been looking in the market for a while and on Friday i almost made the move. A Seat Leon FR Sport for £25k brand new, to think a Leon cost £25k is unreal. I dunno if i'm being tight but the car market is ridiculous at the min. My own car is only 3 and a half year old but i'm doing about 18k miles a year and so i'm conscious of putting too many miles on it hence looking the change (i've 45k on it). This time last year i could buy a 1-2 year old 3 or 4 series BMW for £25k
I'm the market for a new car,been looking at a Volkswagen arteon,anyone own one or have any views on them? Looking a car with a 'big boot' as the wife keeps saying as the family is expanding by one,I kinda had thought of a jeep type vehicle initially like a Tiguan,Touareg or t-roc 🤷♂️ Anyone any pros or cons for them,I'm pretty clueless when it comes to wheeling and dealing cars
Also someone at my wife's work is telling her we should consider interest free credit card to help with deposit to keep down payments and interest that needs to be paid???
Could someone pm me a link or point me in the right direction for buying a machine of eBay to spin the miles back on car.Digital obviously
Quote from: redzone on June 02, 2022, 10:15:52 PM
Could someone pm me a link or point me in the right direction for buying a machine of eBay to spin the miles back on car.Digital obviously
A good reminder for all to avoid second hand cars if possible.
Quote from: J70 on June 03, 2022, 03:01:16 PM
Quote from: redzone on June 02, 2022, 10:15:52 PM
Could someone pm me a link or point me in the right direction for buying a machine of eBay to spin the miles back on car.Digital obviously
A good reminder for all to avoid second hand cars if possible.
Or a good reminder that there a f£$%wits out there who'd scam people and make the 2nd hand car market more risky than it should be.
Given the supply chain crisis a lot of new cars are notbavailable in the required specification. So second hand cars may be the only option.
Quote from: StephenC on June 03, 2022, 04:57:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 03, 2022, 03:01:16 PM
Quote from: redzone on June 02, 2022, 10:15:52 PM
Could someone pm me a link or point me in the right direction for buying a machine of eBay to spin the miles back on car.Digital obviously
A good reminder for all to avoid second hand cars if possible.
Or a good reminder that there a f£$%wits out there who'd scam people and make the 2nd hand car market more risky than it should be.
Well, that was kind of my implication. :P
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2022, 05:07:17 PM
Given the supply chain crisis a lot of new cars are notbavailable in the required specification. So second hand cars may be the only option.
Buyer beware I guess.
Thing is, how would you know if some f**ker has shaved 50-100K miles off the odometer?
Quote from: J70 on June 03, 2022, 05:26:09 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2022, 05:07:17 PM
Given the supply chain crisis a lot of new cars are notbavailable in the required specification. So second hand cars may be the only option.
Buyer beware I guess.
Thing is, how would you know if some f**ker has shaved 50-100K miles off the odometer?
Service record. Receipts for servicing
Does the NCT not record the odometer reading? UK imports might be a different story alright.
Quote from: Look-Up! on June 04, 2022, 11:18:59 AM
Does the NCT not record the odometer reading? UK imports might be a different story alright.
Yeah, I think the MOT records it in the north every year when doing the test.
Unless.lasds doctor the test certificate.
Advice needed here. I was driving my car recently and went over a series of speed humps at about 60mph. Since then the wheels veer off to the left if I drive without any hands at big speeds. Will it rectify itself?
Quote from: Olly on June 04, 2022, 10:44:51 PM
Advice needed here. I was driving my car recently and went over a series of speed humps at about 60mph. Since then the wheels veer off to the left if I drive without any hands at big speeds. Will it rectify itself?
No, you need to go back to the same stretch of road and go over them at 60mph in reverse.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 04, 2022, 11:50:51 PM
Quote from: Olly on June 04, 2022, 10:44:51 PM
Advice needed here. I was driving my car recently and went over a series of speed humps at about 60mph. Since then the wheels veer off to the left if I drive without any hands at big speeds. Will it rectify itself?
No, you need to go back to the same stretch of road and go over them at 60mph in reverse.
😆 🤣 😂
Quote from: armaghniac on June 04, 2022, 11:50:51 PM
Quote from: Olly on June 04, 2022, 10:44:51 PM
Advice needed here. I was driving my car recently and went over a series of speed humps at about 60mph. Since then the wheels veer off to the left if I drive without any hands at big speeds. Will it rectify itself?
No, you need to go back to the same stretch of road and go over them at 60mph in reverse.
;D ;D
Lads, anyone know who does reasonably priced car hire round Lisburn/Belfast? Enterprise quoting me over £200 for 3 days!
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 04, 2022, 10:27:32 AM
Quote from: J70 on June 03, 2022, 05:26:09 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2022, 05:07:17 PM
Given the supply chain crisis a lot of new cars are notbavailable in the required specification. So second hand cars may be the only option.
Buyer beware I guess.
Thing is, how would you know if some f**ker has shaved 50-100K miles off the odometer?
Service record. Receipts for servicing
+1
Also general wear on the interior. Big difference between the wear on a 70k motor vs a 150k motor.
Anyone have family car like below
- Volvo XC60
- Audi Q5
- VW Tiguan
- Nissan Quashqai
Anyone recommend one at the moment? Will be second hand obvs
Add Rav4 to yer mix.
Quote from: NotedObserver on June 06, 2022, 08:50:31 PM
Anyone have family car like below
- Volvo XC60
- Audi Q5
- VW Tiguan
- Nissan Quashqai
Anyone recommend one at the moment? Will be second hand obvs
Have the Skoda Karoq which is about 97% Tiguan. Highly recommend it. Friend absolutely loves his Tiguan. Another has a Peugeot 3008 which he loves too.
Quote from: NotedObserver on June 06, 2022, 08:50:31 PM
Anyone have family car like below
- Volvo XC60
- Audi Q5
- VW Tiguan
- Nissan Quashqai
Anyone recommend one at the moment? Will be second hand obvs
Got an XC60. Nice car. No issues with it and had it bout 4 years now. OK on diesel for a SUV. Decent size boot.
Got a Q5. Happy with boot space, fits the double decker pram and luggage for weekends away.
Drive is fine (2.0 petrol Quattro) but mpg is about 35/40 on longer drives so not great. Only have it a few months.
Quote from: Rois on June 06, 2022, 09:47:20 PM
Got a Q5. Happy with boot space, fits the double decker pram and luggage for weekends away.
Drive is fine (2.0 petrol Quattro) but mpg is about 35/40 on longer drives so not great. Only have it a few months.
35/40 isnt too bad for an SUV to be fair. We've a Q7 as well which I'm now thinking of getting rid off. Hitting between 25-30 at best. 😳
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 06, 2022, 10:25:54 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 06, 2022, 09:47:20 PM
Got a Q5. Happy with boot space, fits the double decker pram and luggage for weekends away.
Drive is fine (2.0 petrol Quattro) but mpg is about 35/40 on longer drives so not great. Only have it a few months.
35/40 isnt too bad for an SUV to be fair. We've a Q7 as well which I'm now thinking of getting rid off. Hitting between 25-30 at best. 😳
Midrange "SUVs" are all pushing towards 50 these days.
Quote from: gallsman on June 06, 2022, 11:38:38 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 06, 2022, 10:25:54 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 06, 2022, 09:47:20 PM
Got a Q5. Happy with boot space, fits the double decker pram and luggage for weekends away.
Drive is fine (2.0 petrol Quattro) but mpg is about 35/40 on longer drives so not great. Only have it a few months.
35/40 isnt too bad for an SUV to be fair. We've a Q7 as well which I'm now thinking of getting rid off. Hitting between 25-30 at best. 😳
Midrange "SUVs" are all pushing towards 50 these days.
Maybe, mine are 2016. So not new. Think you'd be doing well getting over 45 in any of the 7 seaters tbh.
Quote from: gallsman on June 06, 2022, 11:38:38 PM
Midrange "SUVs" are all pushing towards 50 these days.
2WD?
And actual mpg - not what the trip computer says?
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on June 07, 2022, 09:51:44 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 06, 2022, 11:38:38 PM
Midrange "SUVs" are all pushing towards 50 these days.
2WD?
And actual mpg - not what the trip computer says?
Yes, hence why I put it as "SUVs". The vast majority of them these days aren't SUVs at all, just have elevated driving positions. Any of the ones from the VAG - Tiguan, Karoq, Ateca etc will all easily push towards 50 for a normal drive about town. We have a Kamiq as well, which gets the "mini SUV" label and it does even better.
My car will be 4 year old in Sept so holding out until then to replace it, I'm hoping by then the prices will have wised the f**k up. The way the fuel is going and the knock on effect it might have on the motor industry with not as much coin about the prices should drop and availability should get better. I'm actually considering getting myself a van and hopefully my daughter will have passed her test by then i can get her a wee Polo, Ibiza etc for first time car.
Quote from: illdecide on June 08, 2022, 09:50:27 AM
My car will be 4 year old in Sept so holding out until then to replace it, I'm hoping by then the prices will have wised the f**k up. The way the fuel is going and the knock on effect it might have on the motor industry with not as much coin about the prices should drop and availability should get better. I'm actually considering getting myself a van and hopefully my daughter will have passed her test by then i can get her a wee Polo, Ibiza etc for first time car.
Can't see them getting any cheaper to be honest.
Any recommendations out there on best non-suv car with three child seats capability?
Quote from: Aristo 60 on July 14, 2022, 09:31:23 PM
Any recommendations out there on best non-suv car with three child seats capability?
Most new ones have an isofix in the front passenger seat as well as two in the back.
I was hoping to keep the front seat for the wife
Quote from: Aristo 60 on July 14, 2022, 09:31:23 PM
Any recommendations out there on best non-suv car with three child seats capability?
Nope, you will have to embrace the SUV. I've told myself I'll have two of them (family cars), run them into the ground, then back to a convertible.
Quote from: Rois on July 15, 2022, 02:24:26 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on July 14, 2022, 09:31:23 PM
Any recommendations out there on best non-suv car with three child seats capability?
Nope, you will have to embrace the SUV. I've told myself I'll have two of them (family cars), run them into the ground, then back to a convertible.
No, then you'll have to buy a Nissan Micra to get them inusred to drive.
Quote from: Aristo 60 on July 14, 2022, 09:31:23 PM
Any recommendations out there on best non-suv car with three child seats capability?
Renault Scenic isn't really a SUV and will take 3 car seats across the back. We've had one for about 5 years and never let us down.
Quote from: Aristo 60 on July 14, 2022, 09:31:23 PM
Any recommendations out there on best non-suv car with three child seats capability?
Vw touran?
Ok thanks for suggestions
When we were growing up 4 of us were put in the back of a Jetta not a child seat in sight. Mad when you think about it.
Guys going for a car today or tomorrow. price is £14995. What is a realistic price to offer?. I know there's not much to bargain with as these cars are fairly tight with price these days. Would they accept a £14500 straight up?. It a Golf so popular car and they'd prob have no bother shifting it
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 15, 2022, 05:44:27 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on July 14, 2022, 09:31:23 PM
Any recommendations out there on best non-suv car with three child seats capability?
Vw touran?
ive an Audi a6 estate that can fit 3 car seats (isofix in passenger and 2 in back)
Quote from: illdecide on July 18, 2022, 10:05:21 AM
Guys going for a car today or tomorrow. price is £14995. What is a realistic price to offer?. I know there's not much to bargain with as these cars are fairly tight with price these days. Would they accept a £14500 straight up?. It a Golf so popular car and they'd prob have no bother shifting it
Who you buying from? If it's one of the smaller private dealers they could well accept your offer. I bought off a private dealer 3 years ago and he threw in the "optional" 20 inch alloys that usually cost an extortionate amount (prob cos I hmmed and haaed for about an hour and wanted me gone). Not sure about what the state of affairs is now, I always thought that cash was no longer king and they preferred roping people in on pcp, hire purchase etc as it meant more commission for them off the finance companies.
The Mrs bought a car from Charles hurst last month and the salesman said they've been flat out post covid and that they have made up for any lost trade and then some, so if you're buying off the likes of them they might not allow too much wiggle room
It's a small garage in Bangor (Fusco). If I make the journey it's not to tyre kick so once i jump on that train i'm kinda committed. I was speaking to a friend of mine who works in Agnew's and he said if you get £150 of it i'll be doing well as they're cut that tight now, everyone is watching the internet like a hawk and keeping prices in tow with everyone else...
all they can is no? Go in at 14,500
Quote from: illdecide on July 18, 2022, 11:16:13 AM
It's a small garage in Bangor (Fusco). If I make the journey it's not to tyre kick so once i jump on that train i'm kinda committed. I was speaking to a friend of mine who works in Agnew's and he said if you get £150 of it i'll be doing well as they're cut that tight now, everyone is watching the internet like a hawk and keeping prices in tow with everyone else...
in at 14500 surely and insist they give u the premium warranty (sold for £300 by them).
if they dont budge on cost then you will get the warranty (unless they know something you dont about the car) then id be thinking twice!
I couldn't be bothered driving to Bangor...spotted another similar car but only 20,000 miles on it but paid £1.2k more for it. Deal was done...
Quote from: Aristo 60 on July 18, 2022, 06:42:47 AM
Ok thanks for suggestions
Which one of you is changing?
Isn't it mad to think you can't get a regular car with 3 kids, given what Turf said about when we were younger?
When my sis hit 3 kids, her husband just gave in and got a 7 seater so they could take friends too.
My car is just past 3 years old and out of warranty now. Just wondering if I should persist with the dealer services (to get the electronic service history logged) or just go to a local mechanic? Dealer is £350 odd, local man obviously a lot cheaper. How big of a factor to the car value in the future is having the dealer service history versus paper bill/receipt? from local fella
Trying to sell a relative s car but have no idea what its value is.
Is there a reliable website I can find out it's value ?
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 18, 2022, 11:15:11 PM
Trying to sell a relative s car but have no idea what its value is.
Is there a reliable website I can find out it's value ?
Used Cars NI
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 18, 2022, 11:05:34 PM
My car is just past 3 years old and out of warranty now. Just wondering if I should persist with the dealer services (to get the electronic service history logged) or just go to a local mechanic? Dealer is £350 odd, local man obviously a lot cheaper. How big of a factor to the car value in the future is having the dealer service history versus paper bill/receipt? from local fella
I'd never pay the dealer service outside warranty. Plenty of good VAT registered mechanics about will do the work for much less. I honestly don't think you'll recoup any more at private resale when paying 350 for a dealer service vs 150 at a local mechanic.
Car services like changing oil , brake pads etc are very straight forward jobs for mechanics. You can pay a man 50 quid an hour to do that job in a big dealer garage or you can pay him to do the same job in the garage at the side of his house a that evening for alot cheaper
I buy genuine parts from the dealer and take them to my mechanic for him to fit. Any mechanic can stamp a service book if they are vat registered
Woke up this morning to find that my car insurance had automatically renewed.
Forgot to contact them to cancel the renewal when I got email few weeks ago.
Am I tied in to this or does the cooling off period hold here?
Automatic renewals a real pain.
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 20, 2022, 08:49:06 AM
Woke up this morning to find that my car insurance had automatically renewed.
Forgot to contact them to cancel the renewal when I got email few weeks ago.
Am I tied in to this or does the cooling off period hold here?
Automatic renewals a real pain.
Think you have x amount of days to change still.
You should have 14 days I think
Got in touch with the company. Cancelled and will refund. No mention of admin fee even.
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 20, 2022, 08:49:06 AM
Woke up this morning to find that my car insurance had automatically renewed.
Forgot to contact them to cancel the renewal when I got email few weeks ago.
Am I tied in to this or does the cooling off period hold here?
Automatic renewals a real pain.
This is one case where autmatic renewals might not be a pain. If you had just forgotten to renew and headed off driving today with no insurance then you would be glad of automatic renewal.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 20, 2022, 01:15:41 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 20, 2022, 08:49:06 AM
Woke up this morning to find that my car insurance had automatically renewed.
Forgot to contact them to cancel the renewal when I got email few weeks ago.
Am I tied in to this or does the cooling off period hold here?
Automatic renewals a real pain.
This is one case where autmatic renewals might not be a pain. If you had just forgotten to renew and headed off driving today with no insurance then you would be glad of automatic renewal.
True but renewal prices tend to be quite expensive. Think companies hope that customers just let it go for handiness sake
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 20, 2022, 01:31:57 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 20, 2022, 01:15:41 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 20, 2022, 08:49:06 AM
Woke up this morning to find that my car insurance had automatically renewed.
Forgot to contact them to cancel the renewal when I got email few weeks ago.
Am I tied in to this or does the cooling off period hold here?
Automatic renewals a real pain.
This is one case where autmatic renewals might not be a pain. If you had just forgotten to renew and headed off driving today with no insurance then you would be glad of automatic renewal.
True but renewal prices tend to be quite expensive. Think companies hope that customers just let it go for handiness sake
They have tried to bring this practice to an end.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/dec/30/landmark-uk-insurance-shakeup-poised-to-benefit-loyal-customers
You still should shop around but impact now much less
Has anyone made the shift to electric cars and what's your advice on it?
Been thinking about going that way for a while for the wife's car but not sure what to do. Don't see the point in the lexus/toyota type hybrid at the minute but maybe the plug in hybrid type would be better. Couple of family members have the Kia Nero and Sportage and seem to be happy with them.
Don't have the cash for a Tesla but had looked at some of the VW electric cars. Don't know anyone with them though.
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on July 21, 2022, 10:38:43 AM
Has anyone made the shift to electric cars and what's your advice on it?
Been thinking about going that way for a while for the wife's car but not sure what to do. Don't see the point in the lexus/toyota type hybrid at the minute but maybe the plug in hybrid type would be better. Couple of family members have the Kia Nero and Sportage and seem to be happy with them.
Don't have the cash for a Tesla but had looked at some of the VW electric cars. Don't know anyone with them though.
I have a Kia XCeed plug in hybrid. It's a work company car so didn't buy it but I find it great. Get about 50km range on the electric charge.
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on July 21, 2022, 10:38:43 AM
Has anyone made the shift to electric cars and what's your advice on it?
Been thinking about going that way for a while for the wife's car but not sure what to do. Don't see the point in the lexus/toyota type hybrid at the minute but maybe the plug in hybrid type would be better. Couple of family members have the Kia Nero and Sportage and seem to be happy with them.
Don't have the cash for a Tesla but had looked at some of the VW electric cars. Don't know anyone with them though.
Main car been electric for quite a while. Having a the charger at the house is not a necessity in Dublin but in the country it will be a must; sometimes on longer journeys you just need to plan to top up charge (15 mins or so) but you'd be stopping on those anyway at some point for a break. I'd go all in on EV vs Hybrid TBH.
The ID3 is fantastic for the price and makes great sense as a company car as will be BIK exempt (for time being). It's a bit basic on the interior so hard to jump to that from a model s and taycan but it depends on what you need from a 2nd car (SUV for kids etc..). Hyundai EVs are great and you get a hell of a car for the money but might be a bit more than the budget allows.
Good luck on getting an EV though at the moment ;)
Quote from: Turf on July 21, 2022, 11:27:00 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on July 21, 2022, 10:38:43 AM
Has anyone made the shift to electric cars and what's your advice on it?
Been thinking about going that way for a while for the wife's car but not sure what to do. Don't see the point in the lexus/toyota type hybrid at the minute but maybe the plug in hybrid type would be better. Couple of family members have the Kia Nero and Sportage and seem to be happy with them.
Don't have the cash for a Tesla but had looked at some of the VW electric cars. Don't know anyone with them though.
I have a Kia XCeed plug in hybrid. It's a work company car so didn't buy it but I find it great. Get about 50km range on the electric charge.
The wife does about 60km/38miles to work and back and was thinking it would suit her better, but I actually do less. It's just the constant in and out to kids sports that would kill it for me. I like the idea of the petrol engine as back up.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 18, 2022, 11:05:34 PM
My car is just past 3 years old and out of warranty now. Just wondering if I should persist with the dealer services (to get the electronic service history logged) or just go to a local mechanic? Dealer is £350 odd, local man obviously a lot cheaper. How big of a factor to the car value in the future is having the dealer service history versus paper bill/receipt? from local fella
It depends on how long you are going to keep it. If you are going to trade it in within the next couple of years, you might as well keep going to the dealer. If you are keeping it for a decade then a different strategy might be appropriate.
As a wise man once said 'you're selling a car from the day you buy it'. Get the dealer to service and stamp it, then take their list of requirements to your local mechanic
Mot ran out May ish time. Tax ran out start this month. Have MOT booked for Sept (fcuk that shit of runnin round lookin cancellations not my fault the system is a shambles)
Cant go online to renew tax and also cant phone to sort due to no MOT. Any way around this o wise ones??
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 22, 2022, 01:06:30 PM
Mot ran out May ish time. Tax ran out start this month. Have MOT booked for Sept (fcuk that shit of runnin round lookin cancellations not my fault the system is a shambles)
Cant go online to renew tax and also cant phone to sort due to no MOT. Any way around this o wise ones??
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/change-your-mot-vehicle-test-appointment-online
Used this link ..only way I could an MOT
Quote from: delgany on July 22, 2022, 01:38:30 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 22, 2022, 01:06:30 PM
Mot ran out May ish time. Tax ran out start this month. Have MOT booked for Sept (fcuk that shit of runnin round lookin cancellations not my fault the system is a shambles)
Cant go online to renew tax and also cant phone to sort due to no MOT. Any way around this o wise ones??
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/change-your-mot-vehicle-test-appointment-online
Used this link ..only way I could an MOT, get on first thing
ah cheers Delgany im actually at the "run her into the ground stage" as i was told another MOT could be unlikely. I thought there maybe was a way of still gettin her taxed while waiting on MOT date.
I may go buy a new car ffs 😮
Could anyone recommend a website or supplier of aftermarket trim for a car looking for a front grill.
Quote from: snoopdog on August 02, 2022, 10:52:46 PM
Could anyone recommend a website or supplier of aftermarket trim for a car looking for a front grill.
try eurocarparts.com or micksgarage.com
Quote from: general on August 03, 2022, 09:16:54 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on August 02, 2022, 10:52:46 PM
Could anyone recommend a website or supplier of aftermarket trim for a car looking for a front grill.
try eurocarparts.com or micksgarage.com
Cheers I will look them up.
Anyone drive or know of anyone that has a VAUXHALL GRANDLAND jeep? Any opinions on them? Getting new family vehicle in next few weeks and looking at a Tiguan,Vauxhall insignia or possibly a vw arteon but I'm probably dreaming with the last shout
As a rule of thumb I avoid Vauxhalls like the plague.
Quote from: general_lee on August 10, 2022, 09:23:03 AM
As a rule of thumb I avoid Vauxhalls like the plague.
Absolutely
Nothing wrong with Opels. Had an Insignia for years and never let me down, must have put 250,000km on it and never gave me an ounce of trouble. Great car.
Quote from: Turf on August 10, 2022, 10:39:42 AM
Nothing wrong with Opels. Had an Insignia for years and never let me down, must have put 250,000km on it and never gave me an ounce of trouble. Great car.
It was actually the Insignia that properly put me off. I knew 4 or 5 people who had nothing but trouble with them. No longer owned by GM though so things might improve
Maybe they've improved but Vauxhalls and Fords used to be a heap of bother. Renaults had a good engine but had silly bodywork issues. Hard to beat German and Japanese.
Quote from: Armamike on August 10, 2022, 11:45:04 AM
Maybe they've improved but Vauxhalls and Fords used to be a heap of bother. Renaults had a good engine but had silly bodywork issues. Hard to beat German and Japanese.
I've had every model of Ford Focus, the only problem was with the MK2 which had a stupid issue with the frost plug. I know of people with BMWs who had more problems.
Have just bought a car in a private sale.
I know that seller can change ownership to me online now but at what stage can. I tax it. Immediately or must I wait for the tax book to arrive ?
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 16, 2022, 12:09:32 PM
Have just bought a car in a private sale.
I know that seller can change ownership to me online now but at what stage can. I tax it. Immediately or must I wait for the tax book to arrive ?
I think tax goes when he/she sells it and you must tax it immediately Jim Bob.
It doesn't go with you to the end of the month, like the old days.
Have you got the tax book?
Picking the car up this evening and the seller will transfer it into my name then.
I am wondering as soon as he does that can I immediately tax the car online before I leave his house.
I'm looking for a black kidney grill for an f10 BMW. I know loads on line but just wondering can anyone recommend any seller.
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 16, 2022, 01:01:17 PM
Picking the car up this evening and the seller will transfer it into my name then.
I am wondering as soon as he does that can I immediately tax the car online before I leave his house.
You might need it insured to get the Insurance Certificate. I usually do it in the post office.
I'm not sure what you need to do it on-line though.
Quote from: snoopdog on August 16, 2022, 01:18:27 PM
I'm looking for a black kidney grill for an f10 BMW. I know loads on line but just wondering can anyone recommend any seller.
There's a BMW breaker outside Armagh CC automotive spares on Facebook.
Alternatively De bodykits who are based outside banbridge might help. Would recommend both
I need a second car as mine died during no pandemic driving.
I've heard people say wait as 2nd hand car market will fall soon - is this true?
Also is there value in buying out of england and driving home?
Quote from: general_lee on August 16, 2022, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on August 16, 2022, 01:18:27 PM
I'm looking for a black kidney grill for an f10 BMW. I know loads on line but just wondering can anyone recommend any seller.
There's a BMW breaker outside Armagh CC automotive spares on Facebook.
Alternatively De bodykits who are based outside banbridge might help. Would recommend both
cheers general lee
Quote from: WT4E on August 16, 2022, 02:04:46 PM
I need a second car as mine died during no pandemic driving.
I've heard people say wait as 2nd hand car market will fall soon - is this true?
Also is there value in buying out of england and driving home?
Wife's car is a year old, went up to have it serviced the other day, daughters been driving it also so has pushed the mileage over what it should be, I said to her to ask the car dealer if they would take it off her and give her another one..
Wife came home with a cheaper brand new car, exact same model without the soft roof. he said that will be sold in the next few days lol
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 03:30:09 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 16, 2022, 02:04:46 PM
I need a second car as mine died during no pandemic driving.
I've heard people say wait as 2nd hand car market will fall soon - is this true?
Also is there value in buying out of england and driving home?
Wife's car is a year old, went up to have it serviced the other day, daughters been driving it also so has pushed the mileage over what it should be, I said to her to ask the car dealer if they would take it off her and give her another one..
Wife came home with a cheaper brand new car, exact same model without the soft roof. he said that will be sold in the next few days lol
That's posh, get a new car when it needs a service.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 03:30:09 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 16, 2022, 02:04:46 PM
I need a second car as mine died during no pandemic driving.
I've heard people say wait as 2nd hand car market will fall soon - is this true?
Also is there value in buying out of england and driving home?
Wife's car is a year old, went up to have it serviced the other day, daughters been driving it also so has pushed the mileage over what it should be, I said to her to ask the car dealer if they would take it off her and give her another one..
Wife came home with a cheaper brand new car, exact same model without the soft roof. he said that will be sold in the next few days lol
And then everyone cheered
It's cheaper so it's a win win...
But that would never happen unless there was such a high demand for secondhand cars
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 06:45:14 PM
It's cheaper so it's a win win...
But that would never happen unless there was such a high demand for secondhand cars
Is there not a long wait for new cars nowadays thus increasing demand for second hand ones currently.
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 16, 2022, 06:49:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 06:45:14 PM
It's cheaper so it's a win win...
But that would never happen unless there was such a high demand for secondhand cars
Is there not a long wait for new cars nowadays thus increasing demand for second hand ones currently.
Yes if you are looking to pick a colour a certain spec and so on, if it's a new car already in the showroom you're sorted
Took me 8 months for my car to be ready after being ordered
Quote from: armaghniac on August 16, 2022, 04:37:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 03:30:09 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 16, 2022, 02:04:46 PM
I need a second car as mine died during no pandemic driving.
I've heard people say wait as 2nd hand car market will fall soon - is this true?
Also is there value in buying out of england and driving home?
Wife's car is a year old, went up to have it serviced the other day, daughters been driving it also so has pushed the mileage over what it should be, I said to her to ask the car dealer if they would take it off her and give her another one..
Wife came home with a cheaper brand new car, exact same model without the soft roof. he said that will be sold in the next few days lol
That's posh, get a new car when it needs a service.
PCP agreement?
I'm coming towards the end of my own HP and considering a move to PCP.
Quote from: lurganblue on August 17, 2022, 12:11:27 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 16, 2022, 04:37:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 03:30:09 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 16, 2022, 02:04:46 PM
I need a second car as mine died during no pandemic driving.
I've heard people say wait as 2nd hand car market will fall soon - is this true?
Also is there value in buying out of england and driving home?
Wife's car is a year old, went up to have it serviced the other day, daughters been driving it also so has pushed the mileage over what it should be, I said to her to ask the car dealer if they would take it off her and give her another one..
Wife came home with a cheaper brand new car, exact same model without the soft roof. he said that will be sold in the next few days lol
That's posh, get a new car when it needs a service.
PCP agreement?
I'm coming towards the end of my own HP and considering a move to PCP.
Yes, shes PCP and I just lease.. Hate having car problems, this prevents it and may pay a bit more or whatever but I', not worried that it won't start in the morning
Why not have AA? Lovely yellow glow.
Got an electric car - small one but find it fantastic.
Only thing is you need to plan your journeys/charging times so as you get the value (and dont go more than the charge will hold).
It is frustrating that some charging points simply arent working which could potentially leave you in trouble.
Query on the MOT that hopefully someone can help with.
I have my MOT test booked for tomorrow and sods law the car has just started throwing up a "Brake Pads Worn" amber warning when I turn the ignition on. I am sure the brakes are still legal, its just an advisory warning. Anybody know if this will cause any issues with teh MOT? Have had some people say that warning lights are a fail?
Quote from: TabClear on August 18, 2022, 03:56:06 PM
Query on the MOT that hopefully someone can help with.
I have my MOT test booked for tomorrow and sods law the car has just started throwing up a "Brake Pads Worn" amber warning when I turn the ignition on. I am sure the brakes are still legal, its just an advisory warning. Anybody know if this will cause any issues with teh MOT? Have had some people say that warning lights are a fail?
Should pass Ok. Yellow light is just advising you to change them soon. The inspector will be able to see how much is left by just looking in when the car is up on the ramp. Usually a couple of thousand miles left on the pads at light on stage.
Quote from: TabClear on August 18, 2022, 03:56:06 PM
Query on the MOT that hopefully someone can help with.
I have my MOT test booked for tomorrow and sods law the car has just started throwing up a "Brake Pads Worn" amber warning when I turn the ignition on. I am sure the brakes are still legal, its just an advisory warning. Anybody know if this will cause any issues with teh MOT? Have had some people say that warning lights are a fail?
Is there no way you could get them changed b4 the test
MOT check for the following
Vehicle warning lights including, engine management system, anti-lock braking system, electronic braking system, electronic power steering, electronic stability control, electronic park brake, brake fluid warning lamp, tyre pressure monitoring system, air bag, seat belt pre-tensioner and seat belt load limiter
Quote from: GJL on August 18, 2022, 04:31:37 PM
Quote from: TabClear on August 18, 2022, 03:56:06 PM
Query on the MOT that hopefully someone can help with.
I have my MOT test booked for tomorrow and sods law the car has just started throwing up a "Brake Pads Worn" amber warning when I turn the ignition on. I am sure the brakes are still legal, its just an advisory warning. Anybody know if this will cause any issues with teh MOT? Have had some people say that warning lights are a fail?
Should pass Ok. Yellow light is just advising you to change them soon. The inspector will be able to see how much is left by just looking in when the car is up on the ramp. Usually a couple of thousand miles left on the pads at light on stage.
Cheers GJL. Brakes are absolutely fine and I will change the pads out at the next service. Unfortunately getting them done tonight is not an option
I would reconsdier having a family. They are nothing but trouble and I remember childhood trips to Downings and all 8 of us squeezed into a Peogeot 504 and it was like one of those |Chinese endurance tests like Squid Games. My advice is to stop now and consider not having children, or have one but don't spoil him with holidays and big cars
Quote from: 1884 on September 25, 2022, 11:10:58 PM
Looking to buy a family car to fit two car seats and good space in the boot. Basically looking a reliable spacious car. Had been looking at a Vauxhall Grandland X. Anybody have one of these? It's probably between that and a trusty VW Tiguan. VW hard to beat. Any advice greatly appreciated.
Nissan X-Trail worth thinking about. I have one and really like it.
Quote from: 1884 on September 25, 2022, 11:10:58 PM
Looking to buy a family car to fit two car seats and good space in the boot. Basically looking a reliable spacious car. Had been looking at a Vauxhall Grandland X. Anybody have one of these? It's probably between that and a trusty VW Tiguan. VW hard to beat. Any advice greatly appreciated.
Karoq or Ateca are basically 95% of a Tiguan for a bit cheaper.
I was wondering is there a way of buying warranty for a used car if you buy it private for peace of mind like a 6 month one (That you would normally get hwen buying from a dealer)
Quote from: WT4E on October 27, 2022, 01:17:02 PM
I was wondering is there a way of buying warranty for a used car if you buy it private for peace of mind like a 6 month one (That you would normally get hwen buying from a dealer)
Yes, you can buy car insurance online like you get from a dealer. I bought it before but I cant remember where
Edit - https://www.carprotect.ie/business/car-warranty
Quote from: WT4E on October 27, 2022, 01:17:02 PM
I was wondering is there a way of buying warranty for a used car if you buy it private for peace of mind like a 6 month one (That you would normally get hwen buying from a dealer)
You can purchase additional warranty, the seller may include warranty through a third party in the price, but they may not be responsible for any repairs(the warranty company sorts).
Getting work done though can be a headache as it sometimes has to be through a garage that's not a brand dealer. Your mate down the road mightn't suffice either.
Quote from: sensethetone on October 27, 2022, 01:54:45 PM
Quote from: WT4E on October 27, 2022, 01:17:02 PM
I was wondering is there a way of buying warranty for a used car if you buy it private for peace of mind like a 6 month one (That you would normally get hwen buying from a dealer)
You can purchase additional warranty, the seller may include warranty through a third party in the price, but they may not be responsible for any repairs(the warranty company sorts).
Getting work done though can be a headache as it sometimes has to be through a garage that's not a brand dealer. Your mate down the road mightn't suffice either.
milligan?? lol
Not new car but looking advice. Have a q7 had a suspension issue as one wheel dropped. on. Brought it to A guy and he's fixed the problem but the suspension light still comes on after driving a while. He said it's a senor issue and can replace. But car driving fine. I have MOT in a couple wks. Will it fail for the yellow suspension light if it comes on during the MOT?
Anyone any experience with timing belts? I've a vauxhall insignia and it was recommended by the dealer to change at 100,000. There's currently 93000 miles on it and I was hoping to hold off until after Christmas/mid January. By that time there'll be about 95000 on it going by usual driving. Just wondering are these recommendations usually spot on or is there much danger of it going early?
Also roughly what does it cost to get this done with a decent mechanic? Thanks
Quote from: trueblue1234 on November 10, 2022, 04:26:13 PM
Not new car but looking advice. Have a q7 had a suspension issue as one wheel dropped. on. Brought it to A guy and he's fixed the problem but the suspension light still comes on after driving a while. He said it's a senor issue and can replace. But car driving fine. I have MOT in a couple wks. Will it fail for the yellow suspension light if it comes on during the MOT?
Pretty sure it will. I don't think they let you away with any warning lights on.
Folks, need some advice. My car which is 2008 is on its knees and just have to bite the bullitt and get a new one - not feasible anymore to be pumping money into repairs for a car which effectively worth a couple of hundred quid (if even). I wouldn't do alot of mileage (bar the odd road trip) and tend to walk to places when I can (also get park n ride into work). Anyone round Lisburn/Belfast who you'd recommend who'd have cars in stock for say the £5k - £10k range? Is it worth getting say a wee small car on PCP given yearly mileage is low? Don't wanna be spending money on car repairs for a long time!
Currently in the process of changing car and trying to source the best 7 seater SUV. From reading reviews the cars that seem best in performances and reliability are Hyundai Santa Fe, SKODA Kodiaq, KIA Sorento, Volvo XC90.
Would definitely be trying to buy a used car at reasonable money. Price of cars obviously increased post COVID so wondering is it best to maybe buy in England instead of Ireland.
Anyone any advice on 7 seater cars that they may already have especially the pros and cons.
Quote from: Karl Kennedy on February 12, 2024, 09:13:52 PMCurrently in the process of changing car and trying to source the best 7 seater SUV. From reading reviews the cars that seem best in performances and reliability are Hyundai Santa Fe, SKODA Kodiaq, KIA Sorento, Volvo XC90.
Would definitely be trying to buy a used car at reasonable money. Price of cars obviously increased post COVID so wondering is it best to maybe buy in England instead of Ireland.
Anyone any advice on 7 seater cars that they may already have especially the pros and cons.
I have a 7 seater 4WD X-Trail and can't fault it, probably a bit more economical than some of the others you've listed.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on November 10, 2022, 04:26:13 PMNot new car but looking advice. Have a q7 had a suspension issue as one wheel dropped. on. Brought it to A guy and he's fixed the problem but the suspension light still comes on after driving a while. He said it's a senor issue and can replace. But car driving fine. I have MOT in a couple wks. Will it fail for the yellow suspension light if it comes on during the MOT?
Yep.
Buy a code scanner from amazon & remove the error until your mechanic can change the sensor
Quote from: Karl Kennedy on February 12, 2024, 09:13:52 PMCurrently in the process of changing car and trying to source the best 7 seater SUV. From reading reviews the cars that seem best in performances and reliability are Hyundai Santa Fe, SKODA Kodiaq, KIA Sorento, Volvo XC90.
Would definitely be trying to buy a used car at reasonable money. Price of cars obviously increased post COVID so wondering is it best to maybe buy in England instead of Ireland.
Anyone any advice on 7 seater cars that they may already have especially the pros and cons.
Been looking at these models myself recently. If I could afford it I'd obviously go with the xc90. Beautiful Motor and never a recorded fatality as far as I'm aware. Had an older model before but cost a few Bob to run. Newer models better fuel efficiency. The Kia and Hyundai have had face lifts in21/22 so are very pricey in the used market. Although have heard great reviews on both. Kodaq q probably cheapest option with decent reviews too. Top of the range ones a decently kitted out. The prices up North are crazy. I bought a year old kuga in 2018 for 18k. Now a year old Kuga is 23k
Quote from: WeeDonns on February 13, 2024, 10:38:31 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on November 10, 2022, 04:26:13 PMNot new car but looking advice. Have a q7 had a suspension issue as one wheel dropped. on. Brought it to A guy and he's fixed the problem but the suspension light still comes on after driving a while. He said it's a senor issue and can replace. But car driving fine. I have MOT in a couple wks. Will it fail for the yellow suspension light if it comes on during the MOT?
Yep.
Buy a code scanner from amazon & remove the error until your mechanic can change the sensor
Good man. Car sold last year tho!! 😀
Got through the mot without lighting up
Quote from: Karl Kennedy on February 12, 2024, 09:13:52 PMCurrently in the process of changing car and trying to source the best 7 seater SUV. From reading reviews the cars that seem best in performances and reliability are Hyundai Santa Fe, SKODA Kodiaq, KIA Sorento, Volvo XC90.
Would definitely be trying to buy a used car at reasonable money. Price of cars obviously increased post COVID so wondering is it best to maybe buy in England instead of Ireland.
Anyone any advice on 7 seater cars that they may already have especially the pros and cons.
If you need the full 7 seats, check the 3rd row seat sizes and leg room as generally in an SUV the leg room is not great no matter what you go for. If your kids are older, they may be cramped.
For 7 seaters (and I've been through a few) we found the Ford Galaxy best for boot seats and comfort, plus running costs are fine and parts and labour are generally cheap.
I've had an older XC90, great car, boot seats only suited to young children in my opinion. The new one, is similar.
I've heard good things about the XTrail, but haven't seen one. Nissan generally reliable.
From what I've seen of the Kia/Hyundai, they well kitted out, but build quality is not just as good.
I think the Skoda would be the pick of the bunch after the XC90 if their cars are anything to go by.
There is also a 7 seater version of the VW Tiguan called an Allspace. Probably on the pricier side.
Then you have the Q7 and X5 which are pricey, but for me going into that kind of money I'd still prefer the Volvo for reliability.
If you want to go electric, there's a Kia EV9 coming out - it might already be released, but you'd probably have to go brand new. Discovery size vehicle.
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on February 13, 2024, 10:46:47 AMQuote from: Karl Kennedy on February 12, 2024, 09:13:52 PMCurrently in the process of changing car and trying to source the best 7 seater SUV. From reading reviews the cars that seem best in performances and reliability are Hyundai Santa Fe, SKODA Kodiaq, KIA Sorento, Volvo XC90.
Would definitely be trying to buy a used car at reasonable money. Price of cars obviously increased post COVID so wondering is it best to maybe buy in England instead of Ireland.
Anyone any advice on 7 seater cars that they may already have especially the pros and cons.
Been looking at these models myself recently. If I could afford it I'd obviously go with the xc90. Beautiful Motor and never a recorded fatality as far as I'm aware. Had an older model before but cost a few Bob to run. Newer models better fuel efficiency. The Kia and Hyundai have had face lifts in21/22 so are very pricey in the used market. Although have heard great reviews on both. Kodaq q probably cheapest option with decent reviews too. Top of the range ones a decently kitted out. The prices up North are crazy. I bought a year old kuga in 2018 for 18k. Now a year old Kuga is 23k
Work colleague is a big fan of the XC90's, buys them from somewhere in Scotland though and drives it home, says he can save a few K doing it that way.
Quote from: johnnycool on February 13, 2024, 11:42:19 AMQuote from: Jeepers Creepers on February 13, 2024, 10:46:47 AMQuote from: Karl Kennedy on February 12, 2024, 09:13:52 PMCurrently in the process of changing car and trying to source the best 7 seater SUV. From reading reviews the cars that seem best in performances and reliability are Hyundai Santa Fe, SKODA Kodiaq, KIA Sorento, Volvo XC90.
Would definitely be trying to buy a used car at reasonable money. Price of cars obviously increased post COVID so wondering is it best to maybe buy in England instead of Ireland.
Anyone any advice on 7 seater cars that they may already have especially the pros and cons.
Been looking at these models myself recently. If I could afford it I'd obviously go with the xc90. Beautiful Motor and never a recorded fatality as far as I'm aware. Had an older model before but cost a few Bob to run. Newer models better fuel efficiency. The Kia and Hyundai have had face lifts in21/22 so are very pricey in the used market. Although have heard great reviews on both. Kodaq q probably cheapest option with decent reviews too. Top of the range ones a decently kitted out. The prices up North are crazy. I bought a year old kuga in 2018 for 18k. Now a year old Kuga is 23k
Work colleague is a big fan of the XC90's, buys them from somewhere in Scotland though and drives it home, says he can save a few K doing it that way.
Took two cars out of Uk last year. Q7 & A4. Good savings to be had. Just make sure they'll extend the warranty to local garages. Agree this prior to sale. Not so easy to get them to agree after the sale is done. They'll be wanting you to bring the car over!! Going to NI tho, so no VRT.
Quote from: johnnycool on February 13, 2024, 11:42:19 AMQuote from: Jeepers Creepers on February 13, 2024, 10:46:47 AMQuote from: Karl Kennedy on February 12, 2024, 09:13:52 PMCurrently in the process of changing car and trying to source the best 7 seater SUV. From reading reviews the cars that seem best in performances and reliability are Hyundai Santa Fe, SKODA Kodiaq, KIA Sorento, Volvo XC90.
Would definitely be trying to buy a used car at reasonable money. Price of cars obviously increased post COVID so wondering is it best to maybe buy in England instead of Ireland.
Anyone any advice on 7 seater cars that they may already have especially the pros and cons.
Been looking at these models myself recently. If I could afford it I'd obviously go with the xc90. Beautiful Motor and never a recorded fatality as far as I'm aware. Had an older model before but cost a few Bob to run. Newer models better fuel efficiency. The Kia and Hyundai have had face lifts in21/22 so are very pricey in the used market. Although have heard great reviews on both. Kodaq q probably cheapest option with decent reviews too. Top of the range ones a decently kitted out. The prices up North are crazy. I bought a year old kuga in 2018 for 18k. Now a year old Kuga is 23k
Work colleague is a big fan of the XC90's, buys them from somewhere in Scotland though and drives it home, says he can save a few K doing it that way.
XC90 and KIA Sorento definitely have better space in the 3rd row. Kodiaq not as good. All three drive better well to be fair but would say XC90 is best by far. Higher price but you get what you pay for I guess. with whatever one we go with, long term I hope none of the three give any long term problems and are easy to run.
JCool do you know the dealer your friend buys from in Scotland? Thanks
Quote from: Karl Kennedy on February 14, 2024, 09:35:30 AMQuote from: johnnycool on February 13, 2024, 11:42:19 AMQuote from: Jeepers Creepers on February 13, 2024, 10:46:47 AMQuote from: Karl Kennedy on February 12, 2024, 09:13:52 PMCurrently in the process of changing car and trying to source the best 7 seater SUV. From reading reviews the cars that seem best in performances and reliability are Hyundai Santa Fe, SKODA Kodiaq, KIA Sorento, Volvo XC90.
Would definitely be trying to buy a used car at reasonable money. Price of cars obviously increased post COVID so wondering is it best to maybe buy in England instead of Ireland.
Anyone any advice on 7 seater cars that they may already have especially the pros and cons.
Been looking at these models myself recently. If I could afford it I'd obviously go with the xc90. Beautiful Motor and never a recorded fatality as far as I'm aware. Had an older model before but cost a few Bob to run. Newer models better fuel efficiency. The Kia and Hyundai have had face lifts in21/22 so are very pricey in the used market. Although have heard great reviews on both. Kodaq q probably cheapest option with decent reviews too. Top of the range ones a decently kitted out. The prices up North are crazy. I bought a year old kuga in 2018 for 18k. Now a year old Kuga is 23k
Work colleague is a big fan of the XC90's, buys them from somewhere in Scotland though and drives it home, says he can save a few K doing it that way.
XC90 and KIA Sorento definitely have better space in the 3rd row. Kodiaq not as good. All three drive better well to be fair but would say XC90 is best by far. Higher price but you get what you pay for I guess. with whatever one we go with, long term I hope none of the three give any long term problems and are easy to run.
JCool do you know the dealer your friend buys from in Scotland? Thanks
Arnold Clark mostly he says;
Arnold (https://www.arnoldclark.com/used-cars?payment_type=monthly&location=AB12%203AR&photos_only=true&unreserved_only=true&show_click_and_collect_options=true&sort_order=monthly_payment_up&make_model%5Bvolvo%5D%5B%5D=xc90&page=1)
Quote from: johnnycool on February 14, 2024, 10:16:14 AMQuote from: Karl Kennedy on February 14, 2024, 09:35:30 AMQuote from: johnnycool on February 13, 2024, 11:42:19 AMQuote from: Jeepers Creepers on February 13, 2024, 10:46:47 AMQuote from: Karl Kennedy on February 12, 2024, 09:13:52 PMCurrently in the process of changing car and trying to source the best 7 seater SUV. From reading reviews the cars that seem best in performances and reliability are Hyundai Santa Fe, SKODA Kodiaq, KIA Sorento, Volvo XC90.
Would definitely be trying to buy a used car at reasonable money. Price of cars obviously increased post COVID so wondering is it best to maybe buy in England instead of Ireland.
Anyone any advice on 7 seater cars that they may already have especially the pros and cons.
Been looking at these models myself recently. If I could afford it I'd obviously go with the xc90. Beautiful Motor and never a recorded fatality as far as I'm aware. Had an older model before but cost a few Bob to run. Newer models better fuel efficiency. The Kia and Hyundai have had face lifts in21/22 so are very pricey in the used market. Although have heard great reviews on both. Kodaq q probably cheapest option with decent reviews too. Top of the range ones a decently kitted out. The prices up North are crazy. I bought a year old kuga in 2018 for 18k. Now a year old Kuga is 23k
Work colleague is a big fan of the XC90's, buys them from somewhere in Scotland though and drives it home, says he can save a few K doing it that way.
XC90 and KIA Sorento definitely have better space in the 3rd row. Kodiaq not as good. All three drive better well to be fair but would say XC90 is best by far. Higher price but you get what you pay for I guess. with whatever one we go with, long term I hope none of the three give any long term problems and are easy to run.
JCool do you know the dealer your friend buys from in Scotland? Thanks
Arnold Clark mostly he says;
Arnold (https://www.arnoldclark.com/used-cars?payment_type=monthly&location=AB12%203AR&photos_only=true&unreserved_only=true&show_click_and_collect_options=true&sort_order=monthly_payment_up&make_model%5Bvolvo%5D%5B%5D=xc90&page=1)
Does he get much of a discount off list price from them? I spoke to them on a car i was interested in at about £20k and I probably needed about £500 off to make it worth travel etc and they were not for budging on the price. I was not prepared to travel over and then try to haggle as the option of walking away becomes expensive then.
I have heard that there are much fewer dealers in the UK (and NI) prepared to move on price now because of all the car supermarkets that have a no haggle policy. Would be interested to hear if people's experiences back this up, particularly if trying to negotiate on phone before travelling to UK.
Quote from: TabClear on February 14, 2024, 11:01:31 AMQuote from: johnnycool on February 14, 2024, 10:16:14 AMQuote from: Karl Kennedy on February 14, 2024, 09:35:30 AMQuote from: johnnycool on February 13, 2024, 11:42:19 AMQuote from: Jeepers Creepers on February 13, 2024, 10:46:47 AMQuote from: Karl Kennedy on February 12, 2024, 09:13:52 PMCurrently in the process of changing car and trying to source the best 7 seater SUV. From reading reviews the cars that seem best in performances and reliability are Hyundai Santa Fe, SKODA Kodiaq, KIA Sorento, Volvo XC90.
Would definitely be trying to buy a used car at reasonable money. Price of cars obviously increased post COVID so wondering is it best to maybe buy in England instead of Ireland.
Anyone any advice on 7 seater cars that they may already have especially the pros and cons.
Been looking at these models myself recently. If I could afford it I'd obviously go with the xc90. Beautiful Motor and never a recorded fatality as far as I'm aware. Had an older model before but cost a few Bob to run. Newer models better fuel efficiency. The Kia and Hyundai have had face lifts in21/22 so are very pricey in the used market. Although have heard great reviews on both. Kodaq q probably cheapest option with decent reviews too. Top of the range ones a decently kitted out. The prices up North are crazy. I bought a year old kuga in 2018 for 18k. Now a year old Kuga is 23k
Work colleague is a big fan of the XC90's, buys them from somewhere in Scotland though and drives it home, says he can save a few K doing it that way.
XC90 and KIA Sorento definitely have better space in the 3rd row. Kodiaq not as good. All three drive better well to be fair but would say XC90 is best by far. Higher price but you get what you pay for I guess. with whatever one we go with, long term I hope none of the three give any long term problems and are easy to run.
JCool do you know the dealer your friend buys from in Scotland? Thanks
Arnold Clark mostly he says;
Arnold (https://www.arnoldclark.com/used-cars?payment_type=monthly&location=AB12%203AR&photos_only=true&unreserved_only=true&show_click_and_collect_options=true&sort_order=monthly_payment_up&make_model%5Bvolvo%5D%5B%5D=xc90&page=1)
Does he get much of a discount off list price from them? I spoke to them on a car i was interested in at about £20k and I probably needed about £500 off to make it worth travel etc and they were not for budging on the price. I was not prepared to travel over and then try to haggle as the option of walking away becomes expensive then.
I have heard that there are much fewer dealers in the UK (and NI) prepared to move on price now because of all the car supermarkets that have a no haggle policy. Would be interested to hear if people's experiences back this up, particularly if trying to negotiate on phone before travelling to UK.
He's a Tyrone man so I'd doubt he pays full price ;D
He didn't mention haggling but was comparing against Belfast prices for a similar spec'd car and reckoned he was almost 6K better off, so well worth the flights and boat tickets etc etc, but he did say to ensure that they agree for local garages to honour the warranty before you buy.
Uk dealers definitely don't haggle as much as NI dealers. And that's mostly to do with competition. They're priced to sell over there. Here most dealers are building in more haggle room because of the expectation of buyers that they'll "get a better deal". I'd prefer the UK way. Price it well and you'll not need to knock £500 off just to feel like you get a good deal.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 14, 2024, 11:50:31 AMUk dealers definitely don't haggle as much as NI dealers. And that's mostly to do with competition. They're priced to sell over there. Here most dealers are building in more haggle room because of the expectation of buyers that they'll "get a better deal". I'd prefer the UK way. Price it well and you'll not need to knock £500 off just to feel like you get a good deal.
I know a fella who buys and sells cars rather than a proper "dealer" and he says he always has his haggle money built into the price as he knows men here, and especially country folk, have it built into their ego that they haven't got a real deal unless they've got money off. Pure ego massage stuff and doing that dance knowing full well what he can knock off before he even starts. I'd be surprised if any of them were any different.
It's a basic psychology thing. Make the person feel like they've got a great deal and you've been receptive to them even if they don't use the full wiggle room. I'd be surprised were that not global. The car dealers are trying to scrape every penny out of you - e.g. no petrol in your tank, no car tax etc.
Looking for a new car at the moment and seen a car I liked at a dealership last weekend. Looking to buy outright so appreciate less room to haggle although the dealer wasn't budging an inch. Would he take £200 less - no, would he do 12 months warranty even instead of 6 - no. I wouldn't mind but the car had a small key mark on it and scorch on the alloy yet he wasn't being flexible at all.
Quote from: tintin25 on February 14, 2024, 05:52:15 PMLooking for a new car at the moment and seen a car I liked at a dealership last weekend. Looking to buy outright so appreciate less room to haggle although the dealer wasn't budging an inch. Would he take £200 less - no, would he do 12 months warranty even instead of 6 - no. I wouldn't mind but the car had a small key mark on it and scorch on the alloy yet he wasn't being flexible at all.
Business must be booming for them, and there's another lad coming behind you ready to take it. In my own industry at the moment we're offering all kind of concessions just to secure the business and revenue that will naturally grow a little with change orders and the like. In 16 years I've never seen a buyers market like it.
Quote from: tintin25 on February 14, 2024, 05:52:15 PMLooking for a new car at the moment and seen a car I liked at a dealership last weekend. Looking to buy outright so appreciate less room to haggle although the dealer wasn't budging an inch. Would he take £200 less - no, would he do 12 months warranty even instead of 6 - no. I wouldn't mind but the car had a small key mark on it and scorch on the alloy yet he wasn't being flexible at all.
Was he just being a dick? I once had one say that they wouldn't budge on any price as it was their livelihood and they couldn't afford it. They were blatantly ripping the arse out of it too so I walked away.
1 litre engines.
Have two young drivers, so cheap insurance is a draw, but are the engines worth it?
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 14, 2024, 07:43:48 PM1 litre engines.
Have two young drivers, so cheap insurance is a draw, but are the engines worth it?
It's not the engines I'm worried about. The eldest fella has a 1.1 Fiesta and have driven it I would say it's grand for what he needs (my own car is 2l diesel). My bigger concern is that it's a wee tin can that probably wouldn't stand up to much in a crash and says it gets blown about a bit on the motorway. I'm considering upgrading to a Golf, Leon or similar. Muddle lad is doing lessons at the minute so this is fresh again for us.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 14, 2024, 08:01:29 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 14, 2024, 07:43:48 PM1 litre engines.
Have two young drivers, so cheap insurance is a draw, but are the engines worth it?
It's not the engines I'm worried about. The eldest fella has a 1.1 Fiesta and have driven it I would say it's grand for what he needs (my own car is 2l diesel). My bigger concern is that it's a wee tin can that probably wouldn't stand up to much in a crash and says it gets blown about a bit on the motorway. I'm considering upgrading to a Golf, Leon or similar. Muddle lad is doing lessons at the minute so this is fresh again for us.
Thanks Tony.
Actually looking at a 1 litre Leon.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2024, 07:22:35 PMQuote from: tintin25 on February 14, 2024, 05:52:15 PMLooking for a new car at the moment and seen a car I liked at a dealership last weekend. Looking to buy outright so appreciate less room to haggle although the dealer wasn't budging an inch. Would he take £200 less - no, would he do 12 months warranty even instead of 6 - no. I wouldn't mind but the car had a small key mark on it and scorch on the alloy yet he wasn't being flexible at all.
Was he just being a dick? I once had one say that they wouldn't budge on any price as it was their livelihood and they couldn't afford it. They were blatantly ripping the arse out of it too so I walked away.
Not really. He was old school and was adamant that the cash price was set correctly and there would be no movement.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 14, 2024, 08:04:50 PMQuote from: Tony Baloney on February 14, 2024, 08:01:29 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 14, 2024, 07:43:48 PM1 litre engines.
Have two young drivers, so cheap insurance is a draw, but are the engines worth it?
It's not the engines I'm worried about. The eldest fella has a 1.1 Fiesta and have driven it I would say it's grand for what he needs (my own car is 2l diesel). My bigger concern is that it's a wee tin can that probably wouldn't stand up to much in a crash and says it gets blown about a bit on the motorway. I'm considering upgrading to a Golf, Leon or similar. Muddle lad is doing lessons at the minute so this is fresh again for us.
Thanks Tony.
Actually looking at a 1 litre Leon.
Post back when you take a look if you don't mind. 1 litre engine is a different beast from we were young.
Quote from: tintin25 on February 14, 2024, 08:11:08 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2024, 07:22:35 PMQuote from: tintin25 on February 14, 2024, 05:52:15 PMLooking for a new car at the moment and seen a car I liked at a dealership last weekend. Looking to buy outright so appreciate less room to haggle although the dealer wasn't budging an inch. Would he take £200 less - no, would he do 12 months warranty even instead of 6 - no. I wouldn't mind but the car had a small key mark on it and scorch on the alloy yet he wasn't being flexible at all.
Was he just being a dick? I once had one say that they wouldn't budge on any price as it was their livelihood and they couldn't afford it. They were blatantly ripping the arse out of it too so I walked away.
Not really. He was old school and was adamant that the cash price was set correctly and there would be no movement.
It can depend when you meet them. I was buying a car at one stage, I had one in mind but another of the same model just came on sale at a different garage and I liked the colour better. I went along and offered a couple of hundred less than what they proposed, the oily rag called in the boss and he said no, that someone would come along and pay the price. So I went and bought the first car, and noted that a month later the asking price on the second one had been reduced to what I offered.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 14, 2024, 07:43:48 PM1 litre engines.
Have two young drivers, so cheap insurance is a draw, but are the engines worth it?
I was told to avoid those 3 cylinder "ECO" engines like the plague by a mechanic who says you'll get about 70K miles out of them and they'll need replaced.
Quote from: johnnycool on February 15, 2024, 10:47:58 AMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 14, 2024, 07:43:48 PM1 litre engines.
Have two young drivers, so cheap insurance is a draw, but are the engines worth it?
I was told to avoid those 3 cylinder "ECO" engines like the plague by a mechanic who says you'll get about 70K miles out of them and they'll need replaced.
Those 1litre "Eco-boost" engines have been nicknamed "Eco-bang" around our way...
Quote from: Karl Kennedy on February 14, 2024, 09:35:30 AMQuote from: johnnycool on February 13, 2024, 11:42:19 AMQuote from: Jeepers Creepers on February 13, 2024, 10:46:47 AMQuote from: Karl Kennedy on February 12, 2024, 09:13:52 PMCurrently in the process of changing car and trying to source the best 7 seater SUV. From reading reviews the cars that seem best in performances and reliability are Hyundai Santa Fe, SKODA Kodiaq, KIA Sorento, Volvo XC90.
Would definitely be trying to buy a used car at reasonable money. Price of cars obviously increased post COVID so wondering is it best to maybe buy in England instead of Ireland.
Anyone any advice on 7 seater cars that they may already have especially the pros and cons.
Been looking at these models myself recently. If I could afford it I'd obviously go with the xc90. Beautiful Motor and never a recorded fatality as far as I'm aware. Had an older model before but cost a few Bob to run. Newer models better fuel efficiency. The Kia and Hyundai have had face lifts in21/22 so are very pricey in the used market. Although have heard great reviews on both. Kodaq q probably cheapest option with decent reviews too. Top of the range ones a decently kitted out. The prices up North are crazy. I bought a year old kuga in 2018 for 18k. Now a year old Kuga is 23k
Work colleague is a big fan of the XC90's, buys them from somewhere in Scotland though and drives it home, says he can save a few K doing it that way.
XC90 and KIA Sorento definitely have better space in the 3rd row. Kodiaq not as good. All three drive better well to be fair but would say XC90 is best by far. Higher price but you get what you pay for I guess. with whatever one we go with, long term I hope none of the three give any long term problems and are easy to run.
JCool do you know the dealer your friend buys from in Scotland? Thanks
Xc90 is like a tank
Why would anyone buy something like that
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 16, 2024, 08:37:22 AMQuote from: Karl Kennedy on February 14, 2024, 09:35:30 AMQuote from: johnnycool on February 13, 2024, 11:42:19 AMQuote from: Jeepers Creepers on February 13, 2024, 10:46:47 AMQuote from: Karl Kennedy on February 12, 2024, 09:13:52 PMCurrently in the process of changing car and trying to source the best 7 seater SUV. From reading reviews the cars that seem best in performances and reliability are Hyundai Santa Fe, SKODA Kodiaq, KIA Sorento, Volvo XC90.
Would definitely be trying to buy a used car at reasonable money. Price of cars obviously increased post COVID so wondering is it best to maybe buy in England instead of Ireland.
Anyone any advice on 7 seater cars that they may already have especially the pros and cons.
Been looking at these models myself recently. If I could afford it I'd obviously go with the xc90. Beautiful Motor and never a recorded fatality as far as I'm aware. Had an older model before but cost a few Bob to run. Newer models better fuel efficiency. The Kia and Hyundai have had face lifts in21/22 so are very pricey in the used market. Although have heard great reviews on both. Kodaq q probably cheapest option with decent reviews too. Top of the range ones a decently kitted out. The prices up North are crazy. I bought a year old kuga in 2018 for 18k. Now a year old Kuga is 23k
Work colleague is a big fan of the XC90's, buys them from somewhere in Scotland though and drives it home, says he can save a few K doing it that way.
XC90 and KIA Sorento definitely have better space in the 3rd row. Kodiaq not as good. All three drive better well to be fair but would say XC90 is best by far. Higher price but you get what you pay for I guess. with whatever one we go with, long term I hope none of the three give any long term problems and are easy to run.
JCool do you know the dealer your friend buys from in Scotland? Thanks
Xc90 is like a tank
Why would anyone buy something like that
Xc90 much better than a Q7? Asking as was leaning towards a q7
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 16, 2024, 08:37:22 AMQuote from: Karl Kennedy on February 14, 2024, 09:35:30 AMQuote from: johnnycool on February 13, 2024, 11:42:19 AMQuote from: Jeepers Creepers on February 13, 2024, 10:46:47 AMQuote from: Karl Kennedy on February 12, 2024, 09:13:52 PMCurrently in the process of changing car and trying to source the best 7 seater SUV. From reading reviews the cars that seem best in performances and reliability are Hyundai Santa Fe, SKODA Kodiaq, KIA Sorento, Volvo XC90.
Would definitely be trying to buy a used car at reasonable money. Price of cars obviously increased post COVID so wondering is it best to maybe buy in England instead of Ireland.
Anyone any advice on 7 seater cars that they may already have especially the pros and cons.
Been looking at these models myself recently. If I could afford it I'd obviously go with the xc90. Beautiful Motor and never a recorded fatality as far as I'm aware. Had an older model before but cost a few Bob to run. Newer models better fuel efficiency. The Kia and Hyundai have had face lifts in21/22 so are very pricey in the used market. Although have heard great reviews on both. Kodaq q probably cheapest option with decent reviews too. Top of the range ones a decently kitted out. The prices up North are crazy. I bought a year old kuga in 2018 for 18k. Now a year old Kuga is 23k
Work colleague is a big fan of the XC90's, buys them from somewhere in Scotland though and drives it home, says he can save a few K doing it that way.
XC90 and KIA Sorento definitely have better space in the 3rd row. Kodiaq not as good. All three drive better well to be fair but would say XC90 is best by far. Higher price but you get what you pay for I guess. with whatever one we go with, long term I hope none of the three give any long term problems and are easy to run.
JCool do you know the dealer your friend buys from in Scotland? Thanks
Xc90 is like a tank
Why would anyone buy something like that
Maximum safety for your family maybe.
Cost of living crisis?
Guys, bit of advice needed. My current car currently parked up in the drive and hope to have a new car sorted in the next week or so, all being well. Realistically I'm not gonna drive the current one again as the exhaust is gone and the sound is unbearable! It's not worth much and intention is to scrap it, however; my sister wants my current number plate which I'm happy to give. Do I SORN the current vehicle now, then put number plate on retention and then get scrap dealer to collect it?
P.S Any good scrap dealers out there?
Quote from: tintin25 on February 16, 2024, 09:35:39 AMGuys, bit of advice needed. My current car currently parked up in the drive and hope to have a new car sorted in the next week or so, all being well. Realistically I'm not gonna drive the current one again as the exhaust is gone and the sound is unbearable! It's not worth much and intention is to scrap it, however; my sister wants my current number plate which I'm happy to give. Do I SORN the current vehicle now, then put number plate on retention and then get scrap dealer to collect it?
P.S Any good scrap dealers out there?
The Fire Brigade are always looking for cars for training.
Quote from: NotedObserver on February 16, 2024, 08:44:04 AMQuote from: manfromdelmonte on February 16, 2024, 08:37:22 AMQuote from: Karl Kennedy on February 14, 2024, 09:35:30 AMQuote from: johnnycool on February 13, 2024, 11:42:19 AMQuote from: Jeepers Creepers on February 13, 2024, 10:46:47 AMQuote from: Karl Kennedy on February 12, 2024, 09:13:52 PMCurrently in the process of changing car and trying to source the best 7 seater SUV. From reading reviews the cars that seem best in performances and reliability are Hyundai Santa Fe, SKODA Kodiaq, KIA Sorento, Volvo XC90.
Would definitely be trying to buy a used car at reasonable money. Price of cars obviously increased post COVID so wondering is it best to maybe buy in England instead of Ireland.
Anyone any advice on 7 seater cars that they may already have especially the pros and cons.
Been looking at these models myself recently. If I could afford it I'd obviously go with the xc90. Beautiful Motor and never a recorded fatality as far as I'm aware. Had an older model before but cost a few Bob to run. Newer models better fuel efficiency. The Kia and Hyundai have had face lifts in21/22 so are very pricey in the used market. Although have heard great reviews on both. Kodaq q probably cheapest option with decent reviews too. Top of the range ones a decently kitted out. The prices up North are crazy. I bought a year old kuga in 2018 for 18k. Now a year old Kuga is 23k
Work colleague is a big fan of the XC90's, buys them from somewhere in Scotland though and drives it home, says he can save a few K doing it that way.
XC90 and KIA Sorento definitely have better space in the 3rd row. Kodiaq not as good. All three drive better well to be fair but would say XC90 is best by far. Higher price but you get what you pay for I guess. with whatever one we go with, long term I hope none of the three give any long term problems and are easy to run.
JCool do you know the dealer your friend buys from in Scotland? Thanks
Xc90 is like a tank
Why would anyone buy something like that
Xc90 much better than a Q7? Asking as was leaning towards a q7
We were making the same choice last year. Very little in it tbh. We just liked the look & drive of the Q7 better but both are lovely cars imo. The Q7 had a bit more grunt with a 3L engine and from memory MPG was roughly the same. Think 1-2 MPG difference. Had no issues with the Q7 since we got it.
Quote from: snoopdog on February 16, 2024, 08:46:40 AMQuote from: manfromdelmonte on February 16, 2024, 08:37:22 AMQuote from: Karl Kennedy on February 14, 2024, 09:35:30 AMQuote from: johnnycool on February 13, 2024, 11:42:19 AMQuote from: Jeepers Creepers on February 13, 2024, 10:46:47 AMQuote from: Karl Kennedy on February 12, 2024, 09:13:52 PMCurrently in the process of changing car and trying to source the best 7 seater SUV. From reading reviews the cars that seem best in performances and reliability are Hyundai Santa Fe, SKODA Kodiaq, KIA Sorento, Volvo XC90.
Would definitely be trying to buy a used car at reasonable money. Price of cars obviously increased post COVID so wondering is it best to maybe buy in England instead of Ireland.
Anyone any advice on 7 seater cars that they may already have especially the pros and cons.
Been looking at these models myself recently. If I could afford it I'd obviously go with the xc90. Beautiful Motor and never a recorded fatality as far as I'm aware. Had an older model before but cost a few Bob to run. Newer models better fuel efficiency. The Kia and Hyundai have had face lifts in21/22 so are very pricey in the used market. Although have heard great reviews on both. Kodaq q probably cheapest option with decent reviews too. Top of the range ones a decently kitted out. The prices up North are crazy. I bought a year old kuga in 2018 for 18k. Now a year old Kuga is 23k
Work colleague is a big fan of the XC90's, buys them from somewhere in Scotland though and drives it home, says he can save a few K doing it that way.
XC90 and KIA Sorento definitely have better space in the 3rd row. Kodiaq not as good. All three drive better well to be fair but would say XC90 is best by far. Higher price but you get what you pay for I guess. with whatever one we go with, long term I hope none of the three give any long term problems and are easy to run.
JCool do you know the dealer your friend buys from in Scotland? Thanks
Xc90 is like a tank
Why would anyone buy something like that
Maximum safety for your family maybe.
Quote from: snoopdog on February 16, 2024, 08:46:40 AMQuote from: manfromdelmonte on February 16, 2024, 08:37:22 AMQuote from: Karl Kennedy on February 14, 2024, 09:35:30 AMQuote from: johnnycool on February 13, 2024, 11:42:19 AMQuote from: Jeepers Creepers on February 13, 2024, 10:46:47 AMQuote from: Karl Kennedy on February 12, 2024, 09:13:52 PMCurrently in the process of changing car and trying to source the best 7 seater SUV. From reading reviews the cars that seem best in performances and reliability are Hyundai Santa Fe, SKODA Kodiaq, KIA Sorento, Volvo XC90.
Would definitely be trying to buy a used car at reasonable money. Price of cars obviously increased post COVID so wondering is it best to maybe buy in England instead of Ireland.
Anyone any advice on 7 seater cars that they may already have especially the pros and cons.
Been looking at these models myself recently. If I could afford it I'd obviously go with the xc90. Beautiful Motor and never a recorded fatality as far as I'm aware. Had an older model before but cost a few Bob to run. Newer models better fuel efficiency. The Kia and Hyundai have had face lifts in21/22 so are very pricey in the used market. Although have heard great reviews on both. Kodaq q probably cheapest option with decent reviews too. Top of the range ones a decently kitted out. The prices up North are crazy. I bought a year old kuga in 2018 for 18k. Now a year old Kuga is 23k
Work colleague is a big fan of the XC90's, buys them from somewhere in Scotland though and drives it home, says he can save a few K doing it that way.
XC90 and KIA Sorento definitely have better space in the 3rd row. Kodiaq not as good. All three drive better well to be fair but would say XC90 is best by far. Higher price but you get what you pay for I guess. with whatever one we go with, long term I hope none of the three give any long term problems and are easy to run.
JCool do you know the dealer your friend buys from in Scotland? Thanks
Xc90 is like a tank
Why would anyone buy something like that
Maximum safety for your family maybe.
More likely to knock down a pedestrian due to poor sight lines.
An estate car is a much better family car
Quote from: Karl Kennedy on February 12, 2024, 09:13:52 PMCurrently in the process of changing car and trying to source the best 7 seater SUV. From reading reviews the cars that seem best in performances and reliability are Hyundai Santa Fe, SKODA Kodiaq, KIA Sorento, Volvo XC90.
Would definitely be trying to buy a used car at reasonable money. Price of cars obviously increased post COVID so wondering is it best to maybe buy in England instead of Ireland.
Anyone any advice on 7 seater cars that they may already have especially the pros and cons.
Mate at work has a Kia Sorrento and is well impressed.
A big thing for him was the 7 year / 100k mile warranty which you would not get with a Volvo, Audi etc.