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RTE's coverage of gaelic games in general but particularly gaelic football is atrocious. I don't think these interviews reveal anything relevant. Like - is anyone really looking forward to Jim Gavin's pre match or post match interview? And that's no offence to him. They're pointless.

It's about the game and journalists (if they can be called that) try to make it about them.

I see your point, it's not like any other sport has post match interviews or any other tv channel does post match interviews. What kind of lunatic are u?

Why do we have to be like other sports? Why do RTE have to do mind numbingly boring interviews that offer no insight whatsoever? Possibly to help people who know SFA about the games to have a conversation when they go to the pub....that's about all I can think of.

RTE's coverage of gaelic games in general but particularly gaelic football is atrocious. I don't think these interviews reveal anything relevant. Like - is anyone really looking forward to Jim Gavin's pre match or post match interview? And that's no offence to him. They're pointless.

It's about the game and journalists (if they can be called that) try to make it about them.

The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.

I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.

Incompetent thinking, breathtaking in it's arrogance.

Just because you say something it doesn't mean it is the case. Make your argument against what I've said. Don't resort to playground insults of the person like Damian Duff for example.

Happily;

You state rules are rules, and tried to equate this issue to body politic of Ireland (which in and of itself demonstrates a narrow and incompetent mindset)
The rule states that use of GAA grounds must adhere to the aims of the organisation. In this instance the event does not conflict with the aims of the GAA, but it's a charity event?

You've seen or heard no motion to further relax the rules since Rule 42? Check out the motions proposed by Milltown Malbay that have been defeated twice since.

This is not about rules of the GAA, there have been two massive own goals this year that have done more to hinder the aims of the organisation and have been completely self inflicted.

Thank you for being respectful and engaging in more than insults although there are still a few there.

On your first point - I'm at a loss to understand how I'm displaying a "narrow and incompetent mindset". Are you suggesting that we do not regularly bend rules in Irish society? Perhaps you accept that we do and think it's a good think? Personally, I don't believe it is as it creates and feeds a culture of mistrust and cynicism.

My personal belief is that the event does not further the aims of the GAA. Smarter people than me seem to agree. When soccer and rugby were let into Croke Park - yes, it was for the greater good - but the rules had to be changed as it didn't further the aims of the GAA. To simply ignore it's a soccer match involving huge names and say it's a charity event is disingenuos. I don't think any kids in Cork will be attending due to their charitable nature, do you?

I'm not saying that's right or wrong - but the rules are written as they are written and they're either upheld or ignored.

I wasn't aware of the Miltown Malbay motions. I stand corrected.

Equating the Newbridge situation with this is interesting, if an entirely false equivalence. In both situations, there's lots of controversy - i'll give you that. However, in both situations it looks like the GAA rules will be upheld, which obviously you don't want this time.

[still nothing of substance to dispute the accuracy of them]

We've had a lot of "backlash" against Duff's comments but still nothing of substance to dispute the accuracy of them.

If I wanted "backlash" which doesn't deal with reality, I'd read a Daily Mail comment section.

That's just rdiciculous. Any fair minded person would have to agree that the GAA is a reasonably well run organisation and contributes handsomely to Irish society. Calling the people who run it "dinosaurs" is completely over the top and at best childish. You may not like some of the rules but overall, it's a strong, sustainable and self sufficient organisation.

The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.

I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.

Incompetent thinking, breathtaking in it's arrogance.

Just because you say something it doesn't mean it is the case. Make your argument against what I've said. Don't resort to playground insults of the person like Damian Duff for example.

So we're to beleive a soccer club that went bankrupt several times (no doubt leaving plenty stung for casth) put a million euro of their own money into Tallaght Stadium? There's been some fanciful BS written on this and related threads but that takes the biscuit.

Thats why they went bust. But i dont really care

Which time? Such nonsense.

Good.

So we're to beleive a soccer club that went bankrupt several times (no doubt leaving plenty stung for casth) put a million euro of their own money into Tallaght Stadium? There's been some fanciful BS written on this and related threads but that takes the biscuit.

The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.

I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.

There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.

Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.

30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.

Who is putting the knife in?

30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.

Was the famous 30M not in relation to the Rugby World Cup that Dick Spring and the IRFU botched?

How's the multi sports usage of Tallaght Stadium going these days Paul? Or the Aviva for that matter?

I'm starting to think you are Paul Kimmage. 

My grammer and punctuation are better

Welcome aboard, Paul.

I thought it was obvious some while back.

While I've great sympathy with the family here I find that the GAA has been put in an invidious position. This is an FAI thing not a GAA thing. Play the game at Aviva. If the soccer community in Ireland want to support this worthwhile event then they will travel to Dublin. The FAI are loving this as it's bad news for the gaa and making them out to be terrible. If they had any balls they would have stepped in and said they would do it and provide a chartered train or planes to Dublin from
Cork to facilitate it but they have nothing in them so what would you expect.

100% agree. This is down to the failures of the FAI. Some of them will never forgive the GAA for letting them into Croke Park when they were homeless.

The nature of the game has changed greatly in the last 15 years and many can't accept the new version. It's not as helter skelter, cut and thrust as it used to be but it's a lot more thought out and tactical. Personally I like the tactical battle and seeing the ways good, top quality teams and individuals can beat defensive structures. We're actually seeing higher average scores in intercounty (don't have the stats but read it somewhere). The Super 8 games bar the ones involving Roscommon have been good tactical battles. If that doesn't entertain people that's fine and the diminishing crowds seem to suggest that. I for one though have enjoyed the games even if I'm not comfortable with the whole concept.

[It takes 3-4 years of S&C to get a good u21 up to speed for senior intercounty in hurling. Football must be the same.That is a huge commitment]

Not only is it becoming something no one wants to watch it's becoming a game no one wants to play. The amount of lads walking off panels or turning down a place on the squad is ever growing.

Supposedly Kevin Walsh has had 52 players either leave or refuse to join the squad in the last two years. I can't say if that's true but if it is it's staggering that they're even competing. Meath, Derry, Offaly and Cork have all experienced similar the last few years.

It's not just that players don't think they can compete or meet the demands of training it's also they simply don't like playing in these "systems". It's not enjoyable.

It takes 3-4 years of S&C to get a good u21 up to speed for senior intercounty in hurling. Football must be the same.
That is a huge commitment
And you can't just lob it into the square now.. You have to have runners off the shoulder. It's more systemic than intuitive.

David Clifford is 19. He seems to be doing ok.

I think this will be a tight one for Galway. When the game opens up Kildare will drive at Galway in a way Mayo did and Kerry didn't. Still feel Galway will get over the line but it could be closer than many think.