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Hurling Discussion / Re: AI Hurling Championship 20...

Last post by seafoid - Today at 07:57:06 PM

The comparison would be Dublin not Derry...

Cork will need to beat limerick now which if limerick have qualified is I suppose a possibility.

Agree re Dublin. What McGuinness did was completely nullify Derry's tactics. Beating Limerick will require something special that is similar.

McGuinness didn't beat Derry by trying to be better at what Derry excel at, he looked at their strengths and used that against them, the high press on the Donegal kick out, their keeper just booted it beyond the press and they'd runners hitting that space beyond the press once the big men flicked the ball into it.

Smart enough, but for Derry to persist in the "process" which had been worked out spoke of a team overcoached.


To beat Limerick you avoid the intensity and congested areas, have the scorers 70 metres from goals working the ball in pods to get the long range shots off and you'll need a very high percentage of scores going over for it to work.
If that doesn't pull out their deep lying half forwards then nothing will.
Then once they come out chasing the game you need to hit the spaces they leave behind

Limerick rode their luck against Clare. The goal that gave them momentum was from a mishit free aside from the square ball shouts and a bit of poor goal keeping, but Clare couldn't respond like they did against Cork.

Clare do have the physique to compete against Limerick, but they've questions to answer about their mental fortitude in Munster finals and AI semi-finals where they've probably been the better teams but lapses in concentration have been their undoing.

Galway didn't show much in Salthill to suggest they've improved this year, but Leinster doesn't heat up for another few weeks.

Tipp, Cork and Waterford need to be smarter if they want to challenge Limerick or the bottom line is they just aren't good enough no matter how you cut it.

The comparison would be Dublin not Derry...

Cork will need to beat limerick now which if limerick have qualified is I suppose a possibility.

Agree re Dublin. What McGuinness did was completely nullify Derry's tactics. Beating Limerick will require something special that is similar.

McGuinness didn't beat Derry by trying to be better at what Derry excel at, he looked at their strengths and used that against them, the high press on the Donegal kick out, their keeper just booted it beyond the press and they'd runners hitting that space beyond the press once the big men flicked the ball into it.

Smart enough, but for Derry to persist in the "process" which had been worked out spoke of a team overcoached.


To beat Limerick you avoid the intensity and congested areas, have the scorers 70 metres from goals working the ball in pods to get the long range shots off and you'll need a very high percentage of scores going over for it to work.
If that doesn't pull out their deep lying half forwards then nothing will.
Then once they come out chasing the game you need to hit the spaces they leave behind

Limerick rode their luck against Clare. The goal that gave them momentum was from a mishit free aside from the square ball shouts and a bit of poor goal keeping, but Clare couldn't respond like they did against Cork.

Clare do have the physique to compete against Limerick, but they've questions to answer about their mental fortitude in Munster finals and AI semi-finals where they've probably been the better teams but lapses in concentration have been their undoing.

Galway didn't show much in Salthill to suggest they've improved this year, but Leinster doesn't heat up for another few weeks.

Tipp, Cork and Waterford need to be smarter if they want to challenge Limerick or the bottom line is they just aren't good enough no matter how you cut it.

The comparison would be Dublin not Derry...

Cork will need to beat limerick now which if limerick have qualified is I suppose a possibility.

Agree re Dublin. What McGuinness did was completely nullify Derry's tactics. Beating Limerick will require something special that is similar.

McGuinness didn't beat Derry by trying to be better at what Derry excel at, he looked at their strengths and used that against them, the high press on the Donegal kick out, their keeper just booted it beyond the press and they'd runners hitting that space beyond the press once the big men flicked the ball into it.

Smart enough, but for Derry to persist in the "process" which had been worked out spoke of a team overcoached.


To beat Limerick you avoid the intensity and congested areas, have the scorers 70 metres from goals working the ball in pods to get the long range shots off and you'll need a very high percentage of scores going over for it to work.
If that doesn't pull out their deep lying half forwards then nothing will.
Then once they come out chasing the game you need to hit the spaces they leave behind

Limerick rode their luck against Clare. The goal that gave them momentum was from a mishit free aside from the square ball shouts and a bit of poor goal keeping, but Clare couldn't respond like they did against Cork.

Clare do have the physique to compete against Limerick, but they've questions to answer about their mental fortitude in Munster finals and AI semi-finals where they've probably been the better teams but lapses in concentration have been their undoing.

Galway didn't show much in Salthill to suggest they've improved this year, but Leinster doesn't heat up for another few weeks.

Tipp, Cork and Waterford need to be smarter if they want to challenge Limerick or the bottom line is they just aren't good enough no matter how you cut it.

Great stuff. The psychology has to be spot on as well.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Senior football cha...

Last post by Armagh18 - Today at 07:52:43 PM

Does anyone know when tickets will go on sale on ticketmaster? Do they have to wait until they know how many the clubs used?

Yeah. Depending on clubs there could be general sale maybe midweek as far as I know.

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Hurling Discussion / Re: AI Hurling Championship 20...

Last post by marty34 - Today at 07:49:23 PM

Was that not a dodgy penalty for Waterford against Tipp?

Should it not have been re-taken?

What was the referee at?

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Hurling Discussion / Re: AI Hurling Championship 20...

Last post by Saffrongael - Today at 07:33:44 PM

Some finish by Tipp there

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General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread

Last post by galwayman - Today at 07:29:07 PM

Its a bit one sided. The home draw for the semi final significant.
Lucky in the GAA that we don't have home semi finals where blue teams can fill the stadium with their supporters and overawe the opposition.

the Dubs can't fill croke Park this time of the year after 14 in a row. Who is responsible for this?

The stadium is never going to be filled unless it's an AI final or at a stretch Dublin against either Mayo or Armagh in a semi final.
When has it ever been any different?
Croke Park has rarely ever sold out for anything but an All Ireland final. This isn't a new phenomenon.

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General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread

Last post by JPGJOHNNYG - Today at 07:26:46 PM

Wow it almost was like the 2 finals against la Rochelle all over again. Leinster should be on about 35 PTS. Northampton should have been dead at half time. Byrnes misses from the tee were nearly fatal

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GAA Discussion / Re: Guide to the Sam Maguire a...

Last post by seafoid - Today at 07:25:08 PM

The last rr - pre qf- qf
 is the killer

I wonder how many first seeds will win their qf . Will it be 3/4 like last year ?

You would have to assume 4/4 would be the standard every year for the group winners making it the the semis.
This would have been the case last year only for Monaghan's penalty win over Armagh.

I wouldn't be surprised if 3/4 would be the usual most years for the first seeds in as regards making the semis. I think most years you've a very decent chance of one of the Ulster teams turning over one of the other provincial winners.

As you said the the preliminary quarter-finals route with 3 games in 3 weekends looks like an absolute death-trap of a route towards Sam. It's very hard to see a team winning Sam through that route.

the top 4 don't necessary have to be the provincial champions.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Leinster Senior football c...

Last post by seafoid - Today at 07:23:48 PM

Has the money been going into Dublin equally across all codes and genders?

I assume it has, and if so, why is it that the senior male footballers are the only ones with continued success?

I know the ladies did well, and maybe that has turned them around as before that period they only won one.

But with regards to hurling and Camogie Dublin's last win was in 1984 and they were a brilliant team back in the 60's, but nada since and the senior hurlers haven't been to a final since 61

Are Dublin just producing better footballers as the money isn't making a difference in hurling

.

Dublin is stronger in football.There are more footballers than hurlers in Dublin.
The money fell on fertile ground. It was enough to override Kerry.

Limerick is stronger in hurling. The money was enough to buy the expertise in. Cork, Tipp and KK were unable to respond. The timing was right.

Dublin have money and a playing hurling population 3rd to Cork and Tipp

So it's either a numbers game poor coaching no money or football is a gift to play

Hurling has higher skill levels.

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General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread

Last post by seafoid - Today at 07:23:05 PM

Its a bit one sided. The home draw for the semi final significant.
Lucky in the GAA that we don't have home semi finals where blue teams can fill the stadium with their supporters and overawe the opposition.

the Dubs can't fill croke Park this time of the year after 14 in a row. Who is responsible for this?

#10

General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread

Last post by Tony Baloney - Today at 07:20:02 PM

Another Leinster bottle job incoming?