2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm

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tonto1888

Quote from: tyrone08 on June 14, 2019, 11:57:46 AM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on June 14, 2019, 11:48:50 AM
So he has in effect just a one match ban?

Going by previous punishments for more serious incidents a one match ban was all he could have received but somehow he got a 2 match man. Regardless of the fact that he is injured it is still a 2 match ban.

If Longford pulled off a massive upset what would be the next game he would miss?


dublin7

Quote from: Angelo on June 15, 2019, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on June 15, 2019, 01:23:32 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 15, 2019, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on June 15, 2019, 12:04:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 15, 2019, 02:07:54 AM
Quote from: weejim on June 15, 2019, 01:25:53 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 14, 2019, 02:58:20 PM
Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad

maybe he was provoked?....  there was a a lot of sledging/goading/thrash talking goin on in Donegal fullback line   esp first half
If he's provoked that badly then hit the man a box in the jaw or else f**k up and play the game. No excuse for that cowardly act when a mans lying on the ground.

Good thing there aren't any Tyrone fans trying to excuse or justify what he did I suppose.

Sticking his fingers in his mouth is cowardly but boxing him in the jaw is excusable?

That's a very suspect moral ground. Punching someone in the jaw is as trampish as it gets.

I never said either was excusable, perhaps you replied to the wrong person?

By the way I suspect the majority of GAA supporters would consider the act of gouging another player as they lie on the ground a more "trampish" act than openly punching an opponent in the jaw. You seem fairly blinkered though.

I did quote the wrong post. The reply before that was the one I was referring to.

I would rather have an opponent stick their gloves fingers in my mouth than having a 14 stone athlete box me in the jaw. I would rather be spat on, bit or sledged than being boxed in the jaw. The consequences of those actions are unpleasant but nowhere near as dangerous and likely to have long lasting consequences than a box in the jaw.

Anyone can lose the head and lash out at someone, but what kind of animal has a defensless person on the ground and decides to stick their hand in his mouth? That's on another level

Angelo

Quote from: dublin7 on June 15, 2019, 04:56:49 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 15, 2019, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on June 15, 2019, 01:23:32 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 15, 2019, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on June 15, 2019, 12:04:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 15, 2019, 02:07:54 AM
Quote from: weejim on June 15, 2019, 01:25:53 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 14, 2019, 02:58:20 PM
Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad

maybe he was provoked?....  there was a a lot of sledging/goading/thrash talking goin on in Donegal fullback line   esp first half
If he's provoked that badly then hit the man a box in the jaw or else f**k up and play the game. No excuse for that cowardly act when a mans lying on the ground.

Good thing there aren't any Tyrone fans trying to excuse or justify what he did I suppose.

Sticking his fingers in his mouth is cowardly but boxing him in the jaw is excusable?

That's a very suspect moral ground. Punching someone in the jaw is as trampish as it gets.

I never said either was excusable, perhaps you replied to the wrong person?

By the way I suspect the majority of GAA supporters would consider the act of gouging another player as they lie on the ground a more "trampish" act than openly punching an opponent in the jaw. You seem fairly blinkered though.

I did quote the wrong post. The reply before that was the one I was referring to.

I would rather have an opponent stick their gloves fingers in my mouth than having a 14 stone athlete box me in the jaw. I would rather be spat on, bit or sledged than being boxed in the jaw. The consequences of those actions are unpleasant but nowhere near as dangerous and likely to have long lasting consequences than a box in the jaw.

Anyone can lose the head and lash out at someone, but what kind of animal has a defensless person on the ground and decides to stick their hand in his mouth? That's on another level

What kind of animal boxes a man in the jaw?
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dublin7

As I pointed out in my previous post anyone can have a moment of madness and lash out. What has to go through someone's head though to gouge someone? That's not normal.

nrico2006

Quote from: dublin7 on June 15, 2019, 05:19:36 PM
As I pointed out in my previous post anyone can have a moment of madness and lash out. What has to go through someone's head though to gouge someone? That's not normal.

The same thing that goes through someone's head to box someone.
'To the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal, light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle.'

Angelo

Quote from: dublin7 on June 15, 2019, 05:19:36 PM
As I pointed out in my previous post anyone can have a moment of madness and lash out. What has to go through someone's head though to gouge someone? That's not normal.

What's go through someone's head to box someone in the jaw?
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BennyHarp

I know a guy who got a box on the mouth from behind during a game and got both front teeth knocked out. Over the years it has cost him thousands of pounds in dental fees. I bet he wished that guy had tried to stick his fingers in his mouth that day. I'd be fairly sure he wouldn't have been able to remove his two front teeth. But sure it's manly to punch someone in the mouth and that's the most important thing.
That was never a square ball!!

Angelo

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 15, 2019, 06:04:43 PM
I know a guy who got a box on the mouth from behind during a game and got both front teeth knocked out. Over the years it has cost him thousands of pounds in dental fees. I bet he wished that guy had tried to stick his fingers in his mouth that day. I'd be fairly sure he wouldn't have been able to remove his two front teeth. But sure it's manly to punch someone in the mouth and that's the most important thing.

I've always found it odd in a sporting context and GAA particularly that there is some sort of honour in boxing an opponent in the face but huge outrage at stuff like diving, verbals, spitting, gouging, fish hooking which generally won't have anywhere near as serious of consequences.

Think I read something a few years back about a club footballer, might have been Mayo, who was blinded in one eye for life after a punch to the face.

Lads off work for weeks and having their meals through a straw with their jaws wired up, broken noses, permanent scarring, black eyes, missing teeth, cheekbones smashed, concussions but it's accepted as part of the game yet the outrage at lesser incidents.

And that's no defence of McCann either, what he did was trampish and has no place of a football pitch but perspective is lost on some people.
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nrico2006

Quote from: Angelo on June 15, 2019, 07:48:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 15, 2019, 06:04:43 PM
I know a guy who got a box on the mouth from behind during a game and got both front teeth knocked out. Over the years it has cost him thousands of pounds in dental fees. I bet he wished that guy had tried to stick his fingers in his mouth that day. I'd be fairly sure he wouldn't have been able to remove his two front teeth. But sure it's manly to punch someone in the mouth and that's the most important thing.

I've always found it odd in a sporting context and GAA particularly that there is some sort of honour in boxing an opponent in the face but huge outrage at stuff like diving, verbals, spitting, gouging, fish hooking which generally won't have anywhere near as serious of consequences.

Think I read something a few years back about a club footballer, might have been Mayo, who was blinded in one eye for life after a punch to the face.

Lads off work for weeks and having their meals through a straw with their jaws wired up, broken noses, permanent scarring, black eyes, missing teeth, cheekbones smashed, concussions but it's accepted as part of the game yet the outrage at lesser incidents.

And that's no defence of McCann either, what he did was trampish and has no place of a football pitch but perspective is lost on some people.

Best post on this thread.
'To the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal, light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle.'

greatpoint

Quote from: Angelo on June 15, 2019, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on June 15, 2019, 01:23:32 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 15, 2019, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on June 15, 2019, 12:04:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 15, 2019, 02:07:54 AM
Quote from: weejim on June 15, 2019, 01:25:53 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 14, 2019, 02:58:20 PM
Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad

maybe he was provoked?....  there was a a lot of sledging/goading/thrash talking goin on in Donegal fullback line   esp first half
If he's provoked that badly then hit the man a box in the jaw or else f**k up and play the game. No excuse for that cowardly act when a mans lying on the ground.

Good thing there aren't any Tyrone fans trying to excuse or justify what he did I suppose.

Sticking his fingers in his mouth is cowardly but boxing him in the jaw is excusable?

That's a very suspect moral ground. Punching someone in the jaw is as trampish as it gets.

I never said either was excusable, perhaps you replied to the wrong person?

By the way I suspect the majority of GAA supporters would consider the act of gouging another player as they lie on the ground a more "trampish" act than openly punching an opponent in the jaw. You seem fairly blinkered though.

I did quote the wrong post. The reply before that was the one I was referring to.

I would rather have an opponent stick their gloves fingers in my mouth than having a 14 stone athlete box me in the jaw. I would rather be spat on, bit or sledged than being boxed in the jaw. The consequences of those actions are unpleasant but nowhere near as dangerous and likely to have long lasting consequences than a box in the jaw.

Just because for some reason you'd be happy enough with someone gouging, biting, or spitting on you doesn't diminish what McCann did. In your first reply to me you referred to how "trampish" you considered the act of punching someone and in your very next reply you've switched to talking about the danger and long term consequences of it. What is it exactly you're trying to say?

There are plenty of acts in sports that could be considered "trampish' but not particularly dangerous, and the inherent danger of an act isn't the only parameter that determines the punishment. I'm sure you understand this already though.

Angelo

Quote from: greatpoint on June 16, 2019, 01:01:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 15, 2019, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on June 15, 2019, 01:23:32 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 15, 2019, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on June 15, 2019, 12:04:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 15, 2019, 02:07:54 AM
Quote from: weejim on June 15, 2019, 01:25:53 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 14, 2019, 02:58:20 PM
Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad

maybe he was provoked?....  there was a a lot of sledging/goading/thrash talking goin on in Donegal fullback line   esp first half
If he's provoked that badly then hit the man a box in the jaw or else f**k up and play the game. No excuse for that cowardly act when a mans lying on the ground.

Good thing there aren't any Tyrone fans trying to excuse or justify what he did I suppose.

Sticking his fingers in his mouth is cowardly but boxing him in the jaw is excusable?

That's a very suspect moral ground. Punching someone in the jaw is as trampish as it gets.

I never said either was excusable, perhaps you replied to the wrong person?

By the way I suspect the majority of GAA supporters would consider the act of gouging another player as they lie on the ground a more "trampish" act than openly punching an opponent in the jaw. You seem fairly blinkered though.

I did quote the wrong post. The reply before that was the one I was referring to.

I would rather have an opponent stick their gloves fingers in my mouth than having a 14 stone athlete box me in the jaw. I would rather be spat on, bit or sledged than being boxed in the jaw. The consequences of those actions are unpleasant but nowhere near as dangerous and likely to have long lasting consequences than a box in the jaw.

Just because for some reason you'd be happy enough with someone gouging, biting, or spitting on you doesn't diminish what McCann did. In your first reply to me you referred to how "trampish" you considered the act of punching someone and in your very next reply you've switched to talking about the danger and long term consequences of it. What is it exactly you're trying to say?

There are plenty of acts in sports that could be considered "trampish' but not particularly dangerous, and the inherent danger of an act isn't the only parameter that determines the punishment. I'm sure you understand this already though.

Jesus Christ.

Once again, someone is completely missing the point. How many more times will people gloss over the fact that I have said multiple times on here that what McCann did was wrong and indefensible?

I'm commenting on some of the idiots on here who have expressed their outrage at it but seemingly don't seem to have the same outrage when a player is boxed in the face, if I had the choice of someone sticking the fingers in my mouth when I was on the ground or having my meals through a straw for 6 weeks with my jaw wired up then I think I'd have a pretty good idea of which act is the most dangerous and the certainly the most outrageous.

The point is fairly evident if you can read. Boxing a lad in the face is far more dangerous than gouging, diving, spitting, biting, fish hooking etc. It's far more likely to inflict damage on you and potentially lead to life changing consequences but despite that it seems to be far more excusable and acceptable in the GAA world than the aforementioned acts.

We've had a number of posters on here condemning the cowardly nature of what McCann did (I have no qualms wit that) while on the other hand excusing and championing lads boxing each other in the face as some sort of manly and courageous act.

In terms of a hierarchy of offences, punching an opponent in the face is about as malevolent and dangerous as it gets on a sporting pitch yet a large number of posters and pundits seem to excuse that action.

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Owen Brannigan

Quote from: Angelo on June 15, 2019, 07:48:33 PM

I've always found it odd in a sporting context and GAA particularly that there is some sort of honour in boxing an opponent in the face but huge outrage at stuff like diving, verbals, spitting, gouging, fish hooking which generally won't have anywhere near as serious of consequences.

Think I read something a few years back about a club footballer, might have been Mayo, who was blinded in one eye for life after a punch to the face.

Lads off work for weeks and having their meals through a straw with their jaws wired up, broken noses, permanent scarring, black eyes, missing teeth, cheekbones smashed, concussions but it's accepted as part of the game yet the outrage at lesser incidents.

And that's no defence of McCann either, what he did was trampish and has no place of a football pitch but perspective is lost on some people.

Well said!

Any form of actual bodily harm and grievous bodily harm on the sports field must be condemned and dealt with by appropriate rules and penalties.

The problem is two fold.  As highlighted above, certain elements of violence causing actual body harm and even grievous bodily harm are considered to be manly and an element of GAA sports which should be expected.  Too many such incidents are often lauded and worn as a badge of honour.  Secondly, the rule book has not differentiated types of ABH and GBH that should receive appropriate but graduated penalties as found in other sports such as rugby.

GAA rulebook can lean on the legal definitions of ABH and GBH to provide appropriate penalties and needs revision in this area much more than the tinkering with the rules of the game.

greatpoint

Quote from: Angelo on June 16, 2019, 01:13:37 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on June 16, 2019, 01:01:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 15, 2019, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on June 15, 2019, 01:23:32 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 15, 2019, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on June 15, 2019, 12:04:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 15, 2019, 02:07:54 AM
Quote from: weejim on June 15, 2019, 01:25:53 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 14, 2019, 02:58:20 PM
Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad

maybe he was provoked?....  there was a a lot of sledging/goading/thrash talking goin on in Donegal fullback line   esp first half
If he's provoked that badly then hit the man a box in the jaw or else f**k up and play the game. No excuse for that cowardly act when a mans lying on the ground.

Good thing there aren't any Tyrone fans trying to excuse or justify what he did I suppose.

Sticking his fingers in his mouth is cowardly but boxing him in the jaw is excusable?

That's a very suspect moral ground. Punching someone in the jaw is as trampish as it gets.

I never said either was excusable, perhaps you replied to the wrong person?

By the way I suspect the majority of GAA supporters would consider the act of gouging another player as they lie on the ground a more "trampish" act than openly punching an opponent in the jaw. You seem fairly blinkered though.

I did quote the wrong post. The reply before that was the one I was referring to.

I would rather have an opponent stick their gloves fingers in my mouth than having a 14 stone athlete box me in the jaw. I would rather be spat on, bit or sledged than being boxed in the jaw. The consequences of those actions are unpleasant but nowhere near as dangerous and likely to have long lasting consequences than a box in the jaw.

Just because for some reason you'd be happy enough with someone gouging, biting, or spitting on you doesn't diminish what McCann did. In your first reply to me you referred to how "trampish" you considered the act of punching someone and in your very next reply you've switched to talking about the danger and long term consequences of it. What is it exactly you're trying to say?

There are plenty of acts in sports that could be considered "trampish' but not particularly dangerous, and the inherent danger of an act isn't the only parameter that determines the punishment. I'm sure you understand this already though.

Jesus Christ.

Once again, someone is completely missing the point. How many more times will people gloss over the fact that I have said multiple times on here that what McCann did was wrong and indefensible?

I'm commenting on some of the idiots on here who have expressed their outrage at it but seemingly don't seem to have the same outrage when a player is boxed in the face, if I had the choice of someone sticking the fingers in my mouth when I was on the ground or having my meals through a straw for 6 weeks with my jaw wired up then I think I'd have a pretty good idea of which act is the most dangerous and the certainly the most outrageous.

The point is fairly evident if you can read. Boxing a lad in the face is far more dangerous than gouging, diving, spitting, biting, fish hooking etc. It's far more likely to inflict damage on you and potentially lead to life changing consequences but despite that it seems to be far more excusable and acceptable in the GAA world than the aforementioned acts.

We've had a number of posters on here condemning the cowardly nature of what McCann did (I have no qualms wit that) while on the other hand excusing and championing lads boxing each other in the face as some sort of manly and courageous act.

In terms of a hierarchy of offences, punching an opponent in the face is about as malevolent and dangerous as it gets on a sporting pitch yet a large number of posters and pundits seem to excuse that action.

Once again these things that you are attributing to other posters, I did not say. They are not of any relevance to me. Why don't you actually respond to what I have said to you?

In hiding

Quote from: greatpoint on June 16, 2019, 05:26:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 16, 2019, 01:13:37 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on June 16, 2019, 01:01:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 15, 2019, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on June 15, 2019, 01:23:32 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 15, 2019, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on June 15, 2019, 12:04:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 15, 2019, 02:07:54 AM
Quote from: weejim on June 15, 2019, 01:25:53 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 14, 2019, 02:58:20 PM
Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad

maybe he was provoked?....  there was a a lot of sledging/goading/thrash talking goin on in Donegal fullback line   esp first half
If he's provoked that badly then hit the man a box in the jaw or else f**k up and play the game. No excuse for that cowardly act when a mans lying on the ground.

Good thing there aren't any Tyrone fans trying to excuse or justify what he did I suppose.

Sticking his fingers in his mouth is cowardly but boxing him in the jaw is excusable?

That's a very suspect moral ground. Punching someone in the jaw is as trampish as it gets.

I never said either was excusable, perhaps you replied to the wrong person?

By the way I suspect the majority of GAA supporters would consider the act of gouging another player as they lie on the ground a more "trampish" act than openly punching an opponent in the jaw. You seem fairly blinkered though.

I did quote the wrong post. The reply before that was the one I was referring to.

I would rather have an opponent stick their gloves fingers in my mouth than having a 14 stone athlete box me in the jaw. I would rather be spat on, bit or sledged than being boxed in the jaw. The consequences of those actions are unpleasant but nowhere near as dangerous and likely to have long lasting consequences than a box in the jaw.

Just because for some reason you'd be happy enough with someone gouging, biting, or spitting on you doesn't diminish what McCann did. In your first reply to me you referred to how "trampish" you considered the act of punching someone and in your very next reply you've switched to talking about the danger and long term consequences of it. What is it exactly you're trying to say?

There are plenty of acts in sports that could be considered "trampish' but not particularly dangerous, and the inherent danger of an act isn't the only parameter that determines the punishment. I'm sure you understand this already though.

Jesus Christ.

Once again, someone is completely missing the point. How many more times will people gloss over the fact that I have said multiple times on here that what McCann did was wrong and indefensible?

I'm commenting on some of the idiots on here who have expressed their outrage at it but seemingly don't seem to have the same outrage when a player is boxed in the face, if I had the choice of someone sticking the fingers in my mouth when I was on the ground or having my meals through a straw for 6 weeks with my jaw wired up then I think I'd have a pretty good idea of which act is the most dangerous and the certainly the most outrageous.

The point is fairly evident if you can read. Boxing a lad in the face is far more dangerous than gouging, diving, spitting, biting, fish hooking etc. It's far more likely to inflict damage on you and potentially lead to life changing consequences but despite that it seems to be far more excusable and acceptable in the GAA world than the aforementioned acts.

We've had a number of posters on here condemning the cowardly nature of what McCann did (I have no qualms wit that) while on the other hand excusing and championing lads boxing each other in the face as some sort of manly and courageous act.

In terms of a hierarchy of offences, punching an opponent in the face is about as malevolent and dangerous as it gets on a sporting pitch yet a large number of posters and pundits seem to excuse that action.

Once again these things that you are attributing to other posters, I did not say. They are not of any relevance to me. Why don't you actually respond to what I have said to you?
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