Brexit.

[Wildweasel74]

Could we not had a orange lane? Lol

[imtommygunn]

Which specific eu laws had they an issue with ? They have painted the eu as this bogeyman though tbh I imagine it's because the rest of Ireland are in the eu so it is just another way for them to try and alienate the rest of Ireland.

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2023/02/28/qa-how-will-the-new-windsor-framework-change-the-northern-ireland-protocol/

How are border customs checks changing under the Windsor Framework?
Goods arriving from Britain destined for Northern Ireland will travel through a new "green lane" where customs and regulatory paperwork, checks and duties will be scrapped, while goods at risk of moving on to the Republic or the rest of the EU will travel through a "red lane" where they will be subject to normal checks. Trade will be monitored by new EU-UK data-sharing arrangements using commercial data on trade flows rather than international customs processes.
What about food checks?
To ensure the same food products can be sold in Belfast as in Birmingham, food destined for consumption in Northern Ireland can pass through the inspection-free green lane at Northern Ireland's ports through "bespoke arrangements under a new UK internal market scheme."
The scheme will allow agri-food products being imported into Northern Ireland from Britain or other parts of the world to be subjected to a single document – electronically and remotely processed – confirming that the goods are staying in Northern Ireland. This will forego the need for official veterinarians or plant inspectors. Checks will only take place where there is a risk or intelligence about smuggling, criminality or specific risks to animal, plant or public health.
Bans on certain products, such as chilled sausages, entering Northern Ireland from Britain will be scrapped.
What about parcels being sent to Northern Ireland?
Where the old protocol would eventually, once grace periods lapsed, have required a full customs declaration for every consumer parcel entering the North, there will no such requirement under the Windsor Framework. Instead the UK has agreed that authorised parcel operators will share data, in batches, to monitor and manage any risks of smuggling into the EU market.
What about changes to VAT and excise duties?
Where the protocol tied Northern Ireland businesses to EU rules on VAT and alcohol duty, the new Windsor Framework allows Northern Ireland to benefit from UK-wide changes on alcohol duty and Britain's zero-rates of VAT on energy-saving materials such as solar panels.
Are there changes giving Northern Ireland's politicians a greater say?
Yes. The Windsor Framework will give the Northern Ireland Assembly at Stormont the ability to apply "an emergency brake" on new or amended EU goods rules. Under the protocol, some EU laws continued to apply in Northern Ireland but the North's politicians could not influence them.
The brake would require 30 members of the Assembly from at least two parties – under the same "petition of concern" mechanism in the 1998 Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement – request, in exceptional circumstances and as a last resort, that new or amended EU laws not be applied in Northern Ireland. It would need support from both unionists and nationalist MLAs.
The brake cannot be triggered for "trivial" reasons and can only be used if there is something "significantly different" about a new EU rule and the 30 MLAs can show the rule has a "significant impact specific to everyday life that is liable to persist."
Once pulled, the brake would give the UK government power to veto a new or amended EU rule suspending it from automatically applying in Northern Ireland. It can then only be applied if the UK and EU agree to this happening in their joint committee set up under the divorce deal.
What about the role of the European Court of Justice?
The oversight role of the ECJ – the subject of much opposition to the protocol from unionists – remains as the final arbiter of EU law but the EU and UK have agreed to resolve disputes that arise first within the joint structures set up under the Brexit divorce deal to address disagreements.
Any veto imposed by the UK on "the Stormont brake" can only be challenged through independent arbitration mechanisms, not the ECJ.
New text inserted into the protocol will protect specific arrangements for internal UK trade, which is subject to EU-UK arbitration rather than the jurisdiction of the ECJ.
Sunak said that, under the new deal, the "only EU law that applies in Northern Ireland under the framework is the minimum necessary to avoid a hard border with Ireland and allow Northern Irish businesses to continue accessing the EU market."
What other changes are being made?
Medicines approved by the UK regulator will be automatically available in Northern Ireland.
Owners moving pets into Northern Ireland will no longer have to show paperwork. The only requirement will be for the owner to confirm the pet will not move into the EU.
Will British MPs get a vote on the deal?
Sunak said the UK parliament would "have a vote at the appropriate time".

[LeoMc]

ERG broadly happy with it so they will likely back the deal whatever the DUP do. If it goes through DUP need to be in Stormont to be able to trigger the brake! If they don't go in they become irrelevant and can be blamed for any divergence from the UK.
They will be awaiting direction from Jamie who will be flying kites under his various alter ego's, (unionist voice, Horatio Nelson, etc) to see where the wind is blowing to get in front of it.

[Substandard]

Could we not had a orange lane? Lol

You could, but every time you'd ask for progress, they'd just say no...

[armaghniac]

Could we not had a orange lane? Lol

What is the point, you'd only end up where you started?

[weareros]

Some of the things being implemented are hardening the border. There will be many goods that cannot cross the border now, which the protocol originally kept open. Surely will hurt border retailers depending on shoppers from "republic". Then separately there's the new visa clearance for non-Irish citizens crossing the border into North. Not a peep from Sinn Fein or SDLP on this. Asleep at the wheel or don't care in the same way DUP created a stink over interruption in East/West trade.

[armaghniac]

I don't think shopping by consumers will be affected, not sure about Cash and Carry type places.
The Irish side should absolutely get the visa thing and other issues sorted now. SF don't bother with such things, tourists do not vote.

[weareros]

I don't think shopping by consumers will be affected, not sure about Cash and Carry type places.
The Irish side should absolutely get the visa thing and other issues sorted now. SF don't bother with such things, tourists do not vote.

This part sounds like it will impact shoppers and supermarkets/retailers on border:

54.As a result, there is now considerable underlying regulatory divergence North and South:
● The majority of retail shops in Northern Ireland will sell a large range of consumer goods and foods which cannot be sold outside Northern Ireland - goods which cannot be transported over the international land border with Ireland and the EU, and which may indeed be banned entirely in Ireland (including staples such as Lincolnshire sausages)

[Armagh18]

Some of the things being implemented are hardening the border. There will be many goods that cannot cross the border now, which the protocol originally kept open. Surely will hurt border retailers depending on shoppers from "republic". Then separately there's the new visa clearance for non-Irish citizens crossing the border into North. Not a peep from Sinn Fein or SDLP on this. Asleep at the wheel or don't care in the same way DUP created a stink over interruption in East/West trade.

Will that happen? Who'll police it/how?

[Cavan19]

I don't think shopping by consumers will be affected, not sure about Cash and Carry type places.
The Irish side should absolutely get the visa thing and other issues sorted now. SF don't bother with such things, tourists do not vote.

This part sounds like it will impact shoppers and supermarkets/retailers on border:

54.As a result, there is now considerable underlying regulatory divergence North and South:
● The majority of retail shops in Northern Ireland will sell a large range of consumer goods and foods which cannot be sold outside Northern Ireland - goods which cannot be transported over the international land border with Ireland and the EU, and which may indeed be banned entirely in Ireland (including staples such as Lincolnshire sausages)

They must be going to check shopping bags at the border !

[weareros]

I don't think shopping by consumers will be affected, not sure about Cash and Carry type places.
The Irish side should absolutely get the visa thing and other issues sorted now. SF don't bother with such things, tourists do not vote.

This part sounds like it will impact shoppers and supermarkets/retailers on border:

54.As a result, there is now considerable underlying regulatory divergence North and South:
● The majority of retail shops in Northern Ireland will sell a large range of consumer goods and foods which cannot be sold outside Northern Ireland - goods which cannot be transported over the international land border with Ireland and the EU, and which may indeed be banned entirely in Ireland (including staples such as Lincolnshire sausages)

They must be going to check shopping bags at the border !

There won't be checks on shoppers of course. But the fine print is a customs border has been written into the legal framework. I can see issues when cheap Australian meat products coming in via UK start to cross the border and EU puts squeeze on Irish government to protect the SM. The previous protocol prevented that situation. This does not. I am not sure how many Irish politicians north/South even bothered to read it.

[yellowcard]

I don't think shopping by consumers will be affected, not sure about Cash and Carry type places.
The Irish side should absolutely get the visa thing and other issues sorted now. SF don't bother with such things, tourists do not vote.

This part sounds like it will impact shoppers and supermarkets/retailers on border:

54.As a result, there is now considerable underlying regulatory divergence North and South:
● The majority of retail shops in Northern Ireland will sell a large range of consumer goods and foods which cannot be sold outside Northern Ireland - goods which cannot be transported over the international land border with Ireland and the EU, and which may indeed be banned entirely in Ireland (including staples such as Lincolnshire sausages)

They must be going to check shopping bags at the border !

There won't be checks on shoppers of course. But the fine print is a customs border has been written into the legal framework. I can see issues when cheap Australian meat products coming in via UK start to cross the border and EU puts squeeze on Irish government to protect the SM. The previous protocol prevented that situation. This does not. I am not sure how many Irish politicians north/South even bothered to read it.

It will be a smugglers paradise. Some cheaper goods going through the green lane will eventually make their way into southern Ireland if the market is there for them.

[bannside]

South Armagh men rubbing their hands lol.

[Main Street]

I take it that under this new agreement, NI business cannot directly export goods to the EU/EEA  areas as if they were still  a part of the Union but will be regarded as UK and subject to the terms of the agreement Britain has with the EU, that the green lane is just between Britain and NI?
How will goods flowing from NI UK to south EU  be regulated?