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Re: British State Collusion
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2011, 06:24:04 PM »
Would there be any point in a public inquiry? Saville had a point, exoneration of the dead. What's the goal here, truth about British intelligence, that's never going to happen and what would the benefit even if it did?

The only people to benefit would be the legal profession, who were probably salivating at the thought of another lengthy enquiry. The family probably wouldn't have got the answers they were looking for.

So the family wouldn't benefit from getting the truth about the state's involvement in the murder of their family member?

Did you read all of my post? How do you know they would have found out the truth?  As i have already said Saville was the end of it most likely.
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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2011, 06:24:52 PM »
Would there be any point in a public inquiry? Saville had a point, exoneration of the dead. What's the goal here, truth about British intelligence, that's never going to happen and what would the benefit even if it did?

I'd say the Finucane family would soon tell you their goal... the truth about Pat's murder. The benefit to them? Probably immeasurable. How many other families are being denied the truth from the British State? Should they just not bother trying to find out the truth?

Whether you like it or not, there isn't going to be an inquiry for every episode of collusion you think there was.

I never said there should be one into every murder. Clearly that would be impractical as it could be up to 900 or more victims. The point is that they promised the family and the Irish Government that there would be an Inquiry into Pat Finucane's murder. They are now breaking that promise. Should we just lie down and accept the British Government shooting Irish civilians and then lying to the the families and the Irish Government about it all?
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« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2011, 06:26:16 PM »
Would there be any point in a public inquiry? Saville had a point, exoneration of the dead. What's the goal here, truth about British intelligence, that's never going to happen and what would the benefit even if it did?

The only people to benefit would be the legal profession, who were probably salivating at the thought of another lengthy enquiry. The family probably wouldn't have got the answers they were looking for.

So the family wouldn't benefit from getting the truth about the state's involvement in the murder of their family member?

Did you read all of my post? How do you know they would have found out the truth?  As i have already said Saville was the end of it most likely.

Who's to know if the family wouldn't have gotten the answers? People said that about Bloody Sunday's victims too. It took long enough for the British to accept what the whole world knew. It means everything to the families to hear an apology.
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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2011, 06:33:13 PM »
Would there be any point in a public inquiry? Saville had a point, exoneration of the dead. What's the goal here, truth about British intelligence, that's never going to happen and what would the benefit even if it did?

I'd say the Finucane family would soon tell you their goal... the truth about Pat's murder. The benefit to them? Probably immeasurable. How many other families are being denied the truth from the British State? Should they just not bother trying to find out the truth?

Whether you like it or not, there isn't going to be an inquiry for every episode of collusion you think there was.

I never said there should be one into every murder. Clearly that would be impractical as it could be up to 900 or more victims. The point is that they promised the family and the Irish Government that there would be an Inquiry into Pat Finucane's murder. They are now breaking that promise. Should we just lie down and accept the British Government shooting Irish civilians and then lying to the the families and the Irish Government about it all?

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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2011, 06:35:01 PM »
Would there be any point in a public inquiry? Saville had a point, exoneration of the dead. What's the goal here, truth about British intelligence, that's never going to happen and what would the benefit even if it did?

I'd say the Finucane family would soon tell you their goal... the truth about Pat's murder. The benefit to them? Probably immeasurable. How many other families are being denied the truth from the British State? Should they just not bother trying to find out the truth?

Whether you like it or not, there isn't going to be an inquiry for every episode of collusion you think there was.

I never said there should be one into every murder. Clearly that would be impractical as it could be up to 900 or more victims. The point is that they promised the family and the Irish Government that there would be an Inquiry into Pat Finucane's murder. They are now breaking that promise. Should we just lie down and accept the British Government shooting Irish civilians and then lying to the the families and the Irish Government about it all?

Different government.
Same state.
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Re: British State Collusion
« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2011, 06:36:20 PM »
Would there be any point in a public inquiry? Saville had a point, exoneration of the dead. What's the goal here, truth about British intelligence, that's never going to happen and what would the benefit even if it did?

I'd say the Finucane family would soon tell you their goal... the truth about Pat's murder. The benefit to them? Probably immeasurable. How many other families are being denied the truth from the British State? Should they just not bother trying to find out the truth?

Whether you like it or not, there isn't going to be an inquiry for every episode of collusion you think there was.

I never said there should be one into every murder. Clearly that would be impractical as it could be up to 900 or more victims. The point is that they promised the family and the Irish Government that there would be an Inquiry into Pat Finucane's murder. They are now breaking that promise. Should we just lie down and accept the British Government shooting Irish civilians and then lying to the the families and the Irish Government about it all?

Different government.
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Re: British State Collusion
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2011, 06:37:00 PM »
Will we also get an inquiry into members of IRA acting as British agents Nally, eh?
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Re: British State Collusion
« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2011, 06:38:59 PM »
Will we also get an inquiry into members of IRA acting as British agents Nally, eh?

Excellent contribution as usual, Trout.
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Re: British State Collusion
« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2011, 06:51:00 PM »
It also doesn't surprise me in the slightest that they lied to the family, and to the Irish Government when they told them there would be a Public Inquiry.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't it a Labour government that made the promise? Doesn't make it 'right', but i'd imagine there are countless examples of overturning decisions made by previous administrations in all elements of government.

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Re: British State Collusion
« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2011, 06:57:21 PM »
Will we also get an inquiry into members of IRA acting as British agents Nally, eh?

Excellent contribution as usual, Trout.

Dodge the question as usual, Nally.

Stop trying to hide from what you don't like, then shoving what you do down everyone's throats. Your as guilty as the Brits for having an "our truths" and "their truths" mentality.

Before you put words in my mouth I better state that Finucanes murder was in all probability an act of collusion. But the Brits reneging on a promise? f**king shocker that move ::) . Smithwick tribunal should be threw up in the air if it was part of the deal but sure would Cameron et al give a f**k about that? If Kenny had any balls he'd rattle the Brits on this one but it was two governments, long since resigned to the scrapheap. And for that why would he sour relations with the Brits, because of the Finucanes? I'd say he couldn't give a damn. The ugly side of politics and political compromise.
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« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2011, 08:04:38 PM »
The Finucane's are one family. Why champion them? The taxpayer has paid enough.

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« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2011, 08:22:19 PM »
The children who died in Ireland and Britain since 1968 because of the troubles.


(141 Irish Catholic children)
Murdered by British

Patrick Barnard (13), Dungannon, Co. Tyrone, killed along with James McCaughey (13) and three adult Catholics in British paramilitary car bomb attack.
Daniel Barrett (15), Ardoyne, Belfast; shot in his home from a nearby BA observation post.
John Beattie (17), West Belfast, shot in his father’s van by a British army sniper.
James Joseph Boyle (16), West Belfast, abducted and shot by British paramilitary terrorists.
John Boyle (16), Dunloy, Co. Antrim, shot by SAS near an arms dump he had earlier discovered and reported to authorities.
Francis Bradley (16), Ardoyne, Belfast, killed along with three adult Catholics in British paramilitary car bomb attack.
Marian Brown (17), West Belfast, shot in face by British paramilitary terrorists on Roden Street after she kissed her boyfriend goodnight.
Michael Bernard Browne (16), Bangor, Co. Down, shot twice in head by British paramilitary terrorists.
Martha Campbell (13), Ballymurphy Road, Belfast, shot by British paramilitary terrorists.
John Collins (17), West Belfast, shot by Parachute Reg’t soldier at a checkpoint.
Michael Patrick Connors (14), Central Belfast, shot along with John Mahon by British soldiers at a checkpoint.
Patrick Crawford (15), West Belfast, while walking with two others, shot by British soldiers.
James Cromie (13), Belfast, killed along with fourteen other Catholics by British paramilitary car bomb outside McGurk’s Pub.
Alphonsus Cunningham (13), West Belfast, during disturbances, run over by a vehicle.
Manus Deery (15), Derry, shot by army sniper as he brought supper home from nearby shop.
Bridget Anne Dempsey (10 months), North Belfast, burned to death along with her mother and father when British paramilitary terrorists firebombed their house at night.
John Dempsey (16), West Belfast, shot by British soldier in disturbances following hunger-strike death of Joe McDonnell.
Breda Devine (20 months), Omagh, killed along with twenty-eight others in a car-bomb massacre by the RUC, Brit army Int. and MI5 and its Chicago FBI operatives.
David Devine (16), Strabane, Tyrone, shot along with two adult Catholics by SAS.
Oran Doherty , Buncrana, Co. Donegal, killed, along with his friend, Sean McLaughlin, in Omagh bombing.
Pauline Doherty (17), North Belfast, in her house, shot six times by British paramilitary terrorists.
James Doherty (4), West Belfast, shot outside his home.
Gerald Donaghy (17), Derry, in civil rights march, killed along with five other Catholic minors and eight Catholic adults on Bloody Sunday, by British soldiers of the Parachute reg’t and Royal Anglian reg’t, shot in back.
Thomas Donaghy (16), North Belfast, shot dead on way to work along with 18-year-old Margaret McErlean, by British paramilitary terrorists.
Michael Francis Donnelly (14), Silverbridge, Armagh, killed along with two adult Catholics in bomb-and-bullet attack on Donnelly’s Bar; by RUC, UDR and British paramilitary terrorists.
John Dougal (16), West Belfast, shot from British army observation bunker.
Jack Duddy (17), Derry, on Bloody Sunday, by British soldiers, shot in back.
Brian Duffy (15), North Belfast, in a taxi stand, died along with driver, shot by British paramilitary terrorists.
Seamus Duffy (15), North Belfast, shot at close range by RUC rubber bullet.
Bernard Samuel Fox (16), North Belfast, shot by British soldiers.
Margaret Gargan (13), West Belfast, shot by British soldiers who also shot dead Fr. Noel Fitzpatrick as he gave her Last Rites. The bullet that killed Fr. Fitzpatrick passed through him and also killed Patrick Butler. While trying to drag Fr. Fitzpatrick to safety David McCafferty was also shot dead by the soldiers. (The first priest killed was Fr. Hugh Mullan, West Belfast, shot, twice, by British soldiers as he gave Last Rites to another of their victims. An attempt to drag him to safety ended when Frank Quinn was shot dead by the soldiers.)
Rosaleen Gavin eight, North Belfast, shot by British soldiers from an observation post.
Stephen Geddes (10), West Belfast, shot in head at close range by British soldier with rubber bullet.
Gerald Gibson (17), West Belfast, shot in head by British soldiers.
Hugh Gilmore (17), Derry, one of fourteen shot dead on Bloody Sunday.
Rory Gormley (14), West Belfast, while being driven to school by his father, shot by British paramilitary terrorists.
Desmond Healey (14), West Belfast, shot in back by Parachute Reg’t soldier.
Kevin Heatley (12), Newry, Co. Down, shot by British soldier. Kevin’s father later committed suicide.
Daniel Hegarty (16), Derry, shot twice in the head by British soldiers.
Terrence Hennebry (17), South Belfast, shot by British paramilitary terrorists.
Clare Hughes (4), North Belfast, in blast of British paramilitary car-bomb outside Benny’s Pub.
Michael James Hughes (16), Newry, Co. Down, shot by Royal Marine.
Charles Irvine (16), West Belfast, shot by British soldiers at a checkpoint.
Carol Ann Kelly (11), West Belfast, shot in head by British soldier’s rubber bullet as she brought milk home from a nearby shop.
Michael Kelly (17), Derry, shot on Bloody Sunday.
Paul Kelly (17), West Belfast, Shot by British soldiers at a checkpoint.
James Kennedy (15), South Belfast, killed, along with four Catholic adults, in British paramilitary gun attack on betting shop.
James Kerr (17), South Belfast, shot by British paramilitary terrorists.
Julia Livingstone (14), shot in head at close range by a rubber bullet gun mounted on a British armored vehicle.
Brenda Logue (17), Carrickmore, Co. Tyrone, in Omagh atrocity.
Colin Lundy (16), Glengormley, Co. Antrim, burned to death along with his mother when British paramilitary terrorists firebombed their home at 4 a.m.
Eileen Mackin (14), West Belfast, shot by British paramilitary terrorists.
Anne Magee (15), North Belfast, while at work in a grocery, shot in face by British paramilitary terrorists.
Gerald Martin Maginn (17), shot repeatedly in head by RUC.
Andrew Maguire (6 weeks),
Joanne Maguire eight and
John Maguire (2), West Belfast, all crushed by a car when its driver was shot dead by a British soldier. Their mother later committed suicide.
Hugh Maguire (9), West Belfast, hit by British armored vehicle.
John Mahon (16) Belfast, joyriding in stolen car, shot by RUC.
Jolene Marlow (17), Co. Tyrone, in Omagh bomb blast.
Shane McArdle (17), Markethill, Co. Armagh, at a taxi stand, shot along with Gavin McShane, by RUC/British paramilitary terrorists.
Gerald McAuley (15), West Belfast, shot dead along with an adult Catholic, by British paramilitary terrorists who were also burning down the homes of Catholics on Bombay Street and adjacent streets.
Patrick McCabe (17), North Belfast, shot from a nearby Parachute Reg’t observation post.
Siobhan McCabe (4), West Belfast, shot near her house by British soldiers.
David McCafferty (14), West Belfast, shot by British soldiers while trying to drag to safety Fr. Fitzpatrick who the soldiers had just shot.
James McCallum (16), West Belfast, in British paramilitary bombing of Murtagh’s Pub.
Gary McCartan (17), South Belfast, shot when he opened his front door to British paramilitary terrorists. (British paramilitary terrorists separately murdered his brother, three uncles and a cousin.)
Michael McCartan (16), South Belfast, brother of Gary McCartan, while painting a republican slogan on a wall, shot by RUC.
James Francis McCaughey (13), Dungannon, Co. Tyrone, killed in street along with his friend, Patrick Barnard (13).
David McClenaghan (15), North Belfast, at night in his home, shot by British paramilitary terrorists who also raped his widowed mother.
Stephen McConomy (11), Derry, shot in head by plastic bullet fired from a nearby armored vehicle.
Sean McConville (17), North Belfast, shot by British paramilitary terrorists from car after asking him directions.
Eamonn McCormick (17), West Belfast, shot by British soldiers during a joint army/British paramilitary attack on a Catholic gathering.
Cornelius McCrory (17), West Belfast, abducted and killed by a British paramilitary terror gang.
Patrick McCullough (17), North Belfast, in a group returning from church, shot by British paramilitary terror gang in a car.
Robert McCullough (17), Belfast, while on lunch-break at work, shot twice in head by British paramilitary terror gang.
Michael McDaid (17), Derry, murdered in custody by British soldiers on Bloody Sunday.
Arthur McDonnell (16) shot along with Charles Irvine, by British soldiers and died years later as a direct consequence.
Anthony McDowell (12), North Belfast, while a passenger in a car, attributed to Parachute Reg’t soldiers who deny it.
Kevin McElhinney (17), Derry, shot in the back by British soldiers on Bloody Sunday.
Bernard McErlean (16), West Belfast, shot by British paramilitary terrorist gang abetted by British army.
Annette McGavigan (14), Derry, shot by British soldiers.
James McGerrigan (17), Co. Armagh, in custody, shot by British soldier.
Anthony McGrady (16), North Belfast, at work in auto repair shop, killed along with two Catholic adults in British paramilitary bomb-and-gun attack.
Patrick McGreevey (16), North Belfast, shot by British paramilitary terror gang from a passing car.
Leo McGuigan (16), North Belfast, while walking along Estoril Park, shot by British soldiers.
Doreen McGuinness (16), West Belfast, shot by soldiers at checkpoint.
Francis McGuinness (17), West Belfast, shot by British soldier.
Joseph McGuinness (13), North Belfast, walking with friends to a fish and chip shop, shot by British paramilitary terrorists.
Maria McGurk (14), North Belfast, daughter of owner of McGurk’s Bar, killed along with fourteen others by British paramilitary terrorist bomb attack on the bar.
Geraldine McKeown (14), North Belfast, shot through her window by British paramilitary terrorists.
Sean McLaughlin (12), Buncrana, Co. Donegal, killed in Omagh atrocity.
Kevin McMenamin (10), West Belfast, in blast of a bomb placed by British paramilitary terrorists.
Carol McMenamy (15), North Belfast, shot in head and neck by British paramilitary terrorists in front of her cousin’s house. Her brother and cousin were murdered earlier.
Gavin Patrick McShane (17), Keady, Co. Armagh, shot by British paramilitary.
Martin McShane (16), Coalisland, Co. Tyrone, at a GAA club, killed by a burst from a Royal Marine Commando’s machine gun.
Paul Jason McWilliams (16), West Belfast, shot in back by British soldier.
Paul Moan (16), West Belfast, shot by British soldiers at a checkpoint.
Maura Monaghan (18 months) Omagh, killed in Omagh bombing described above.
John Mooney (17), North Belfast, shot by British soldiers near his home.
James Morgan (16), Castlewellan, Co. Down, thumbed a lift from strangers who proved to be British paramilitary terrorists who beat him to death and dumped his corpse in a pit used for disposal of dead animals.
Ciaran Gerard Murphy (16), North Belfast, beaten and shot six times by British paramilitary terrorists.
Darren Murray (12), Portadown, Co. Armagh, chased by British paramilitary terrorists into traffic where a car killed him.
Denis Michael Neill (16), North Belfast, while walking home, shot by British soldiers.
Leo Norney (17), West Belfast, shot by British army who first denied then admitted guilt.
Jacqueline O’Brien (17 months) and
Anne Marie O’Brien (5 months), along with their mother, Anna, and father, John, among the thirty-three killed in the car-bomb blasts of 17May74 in Dublin and Monaghan streets placed by BA/RUC/”The Jackal.”
Michelle O’Connor (3), South Belfast, killed by a bomb attached to her father’s car by British paramilitary terrorists.
Dwayne O’Donnell (17), Co. Tyrone, in front of Boyle’s Pub in Cappagh, killed along with four other Catholics by British paramilitary bullet and bomb attack.
Majella O’Hare (12), Whitecross, Co. Armagh, on way, with friends, to Confession, shot by 3 Parachute Reg’t soldier.
Geraldine O’Reilly (14), Belturbet, Co. Cavan, while walking with her boyfriend, Patrick Stanley, outside Belturbet Post Office, killed by British paramilitary car-bomb.
Sean O’Riordan (13), West Belfast, shot in back of head by British soldier.
Michelle Osborne (13), Hannahstown, Co. Antrim, killed by British paramilitary terror bomb placed in Ballymacaward Kennel Club.
Martin Peake (17), West Belfast, shot at a checkpoint by a soldier of the Parachute Reg’t.
Richard Quinn (10),
Mark Quinn (9) and
Jason Quinn eight, Ballymoney, Co. Antrim, burned to death by British paramilitary terrorists who fire-bombed them in their beds. Their mother had tried to protect them from just such Anti-Catholic attacks by raising them as Protestants; but they were deemed Catholic enough to merit death.
Philip Rafferty (14), South Belfast, abducted from near his home and shot by British paramilitary terrorists.
Anthony Reavey (17), Whitecross, Co. Armagh, while hiding under a bed from home invaders, shot dead, along with his two brothers, by British paramilitary terrorists.
Katrina Rennie (16), Craigavon, Co. Armagh, while working in a mobile shop, shots to the head, along with two adults, by a four-man RUC/British paramilitary gang chauffeured by Billy “King Rat” Wright.
James Joseph Reynolds (16), North Belfast, while talking with friends on corner, shot by British paramilitary terrorists on a passing motorcycle.
Francis Anthony Rice (17), Castlewellan, Co. Down, stabbed to death by RUC agent Robin “The Jackal” Jackson.
John Patrick Rolston (16), North Belfast, returning home afoot, shot by British paramilitary terrorists.
Patrick Rooney (9), West Belfast, while in bed, shot by RUC machine gun through wall.
Daniel Rouse (17), South Belfast, abducted from near home and shot by British paramilitary terrorists.
Francis Rowntree (11), West Belfast, shot in the head at close range by British soldiers.
Gabriel Savage (17), South Belfast, while talking with his girlfriend on the sidewalk, abducted and shot by British paramilitary terrorists.
John Joseph Savage (17), West Belfast, shot by British soldiers.
Michael Scott (10), North Belfast, while visiting his grandmother, burned to death along with her when British paramilitary terrorists firebombed her house.
Patrick Stanley (16), Co. Clare, killed in Belturbet, Co. Cavan along with
Geraldine O’Reilly, by British paramilitary car bomb.
Brian Stewart (13), West Belfast, shot in head by plastic bullet at close range by British soldier.
Paula Stronge (6), North Belfast, while playing in street, killed along with four-year-old Clair Hughes, in British paramilitary bombing of Benny’s Bar.
Francis Taggart (17), Lisburn, Co. Antrim, while walking home, stabbed by British paramilitary gang.
James Templeton (15), South Belfast, while walking in front of Catholic bar that British paramilitary terrorists shot up after it was opened following an earlier British paramilitary bombing that killed eight adults.
Michael Tighe (17), Craigavon, Co. Armagh, shot by RUC (later exposed by John Stalker as an example of Britain’s policy of assassination).
Ronald Trainor (17), Portadown, Co. Armagh, at home, in a British paramilitary gun and bomb attack. His mother, a convert to Catholicism, was consequently murdered by British paramilitary terrorists a year earlier, as was a brother.
Michael Vincent Turner (16), North Belfast, shot in head by British paramilitary terrorists.
Damien Walsh (17), West Belfast, while at work in a shop, shot by British paramilitary terrorists.
Peter Joseph Watterson (15), West Belfast, in front of his mother’s shop, shot in back by British paramilitary terrorists from passing car.
Paul Whitters (15), Derry, shot at close range by RUC plastic bullet.
John Young (17) Derry, shot on Bloody Sunday by British soldiers.

BRITISH (PROTESTANT) CHILDREN (10)

James Barker (15), Buncrana, Co. Donegal, in Omagh bomb atrocity),
William Crawford (17) North Belfast, while in a club, shot by British paramilitary ejected earlier.
Henry Cunningham (17), Collon, Co. Donegal, for associating with Catholics, shot by British paramilitary terrorists.
Norman Hutchinson (17), South Belfast, for associating with Catholics and dating a Catholic, shot by British paramilitary terrorists.
Samantha McFarland (17), in Omagh atrocity.
Alex Moorehead (16), Newtownstewart, Co. Tyrone, shot by British soldier.
Alan Radford (16), in Omagh atrocity.
Gary Reid (17) East Belfast, shot, along with an adult, by Brit soldier),
William Warnock (15) East Belfast, run over by Brit army vehicle),
Lorraine Wilson (15), in Omagh atrocity.


BRITISH (PROTESTANT) CHILDREN (20)
Murdered by Irish Republicans

John Smyth Bailey (17), North Belfast, while walking near home, shot by republicans.
Jonathan Ball* (3), Warrington, England, killed by IRA bomb set in a trash can.
Linda Boyle (17), West Belfast, in IRA gun and bomb attack on Bayardo Bar in Shankill Road that killed three adults.
Nicholas Brabourne (14), London, aboard Lord Mountbatten’s boat in Co. Sligo, killed by IRA bomb, along with Lord Mountbatten (his grandfather) and Paul Maxwell.
Alan Glenn Callaghan (17), Derry, in IRA gun and bomb attack that killed eleven British soldiers in Droppin Well Pub but also killed Valerie Ann McIntyre and three adult civilians.
Danielle Carter (15), Essex, England, while visiting London’s financial district, killed, along with two adults, by IRA bomb.
Graeme Dougan (15 months), North Belfast, inadequate warning of IRA bomb.
Mark Frizzell (17), East Belfast, attacked and killed in Catholic district.
Andrew Johnson (17), North Belfast, while working, shot by republicans.

Alan Jack (5 months), Strabane, Co. Tyrone, killed in IRA bomb blast, inadequate warning.
Maurice Knowles (17), North Belfast, while wild-fowling, shot by two 16-year-old Catholics for refusing to hand over his gun.
Paul Maxwell (15) of Enniskillen, Co. Fermanagh, killed on Mountbatten’s boat.
Alan McCrum (11), Banbridge, Co. Down, killed by IRA car bomb.
Valerie Anne McIntyre (17), Derry, killed in the IRA attack on Bayardo Bar.
Harold Morris (15), West Belfast, near his home, shot by republicans.
Stephen Parker (14), North Belfast, killed by republican car bomb that also killed an adult.
Timothy Perry* (12), Warrington, England, along with Jonathan Ball in IRA bombing.
Joseph Taylor (17), West Belfast, at work, shot by republicans.
Heather Thompson (17), North Belfast, at work in filling station, shot, along with an adult, by republicans.
Francis James Walker (17) Templepatrick, Co. Antrim, killed along with two adult Protestants in IRA gun attack on a bar frequented by Protestants.


FOREIGN CHILDREN (1)

Fernando Velasco Baselga (13), visitor from Spain, killed in Omagh atrocity.
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Re: British State Collusion
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2011, 08:32:20 PM »
Thanks for that.

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Re: British State Collusion
« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2011, 08:33:26 PM »
The Finucane's are one family. Why champion them? The taxpayer has paid enough.

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« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2011, 08:48:05 PM »
I thought Cameron said after Saville announcement there would be no more costly, lengthy public enquiries so it's hardly that big a surprise.

When we consider the following, NOTHING surprises me about the lengths the British Government will go in order to cover up their activities in Ireland:

- They releases just TWENTY heavily censored pages of a TWENTY THOUSAND page report into Collusion by the Stevens Inquiry team

- Stevens also stated that the obstruction he faced in his inquiry from the British 'security' forces "was cultural in its nature and widespread within parts of the army and the RUC".

- When Stevens himself felt that he had enough hard evidence to convict at least 25 senior military personnel, the DPP did not bring forward ANY prosecutions

- The British Secretary of State at the time of his report, attempted to prevent The Sunday Times from investigating the circumstances surrounding the fire at the offices of the Steven's Inquiry which destroyed other crucial evidence




It also doesn't surprise me in the slightest that they lied to the family, and to the Irish Government when they told them there would be a Public Inquiry.

So why do you even bother then? Seems to me you spend your entire day justifying the Provo's organised crime fight for Irish freedom and looking for ways to get upset at the Brits.

It seems to me you would happily spend all day making sarcastic remarks about me and about the IRA, but simultaneously have very little nothing to say about British state murder. This thread is about British State Collusion, in case you didn't see the title, so you may take your "intelligent" remarks elsewhere.

P.S. I have stated many times that, like the Old IRA, the Provisional IRA carried out many despicable acts which I would never wish to justify, but I make no apologies for seeing both campaigns in general as totally justifiable. As for "looking for ways to get upset at the brits", well I would hardly have to look very hard now. I can assure you that my family and my near neighbours have no need to go looking for reasons to be upset at the British state. Not that you either know or give a fcuk about that.

Waiting for the day Nally starts a thread about a Provo-IRA atrocitiy  ::)
Time to take a more chill-pill approach to life.