A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

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omaghjoe

I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

armaghniac

Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 06:53:08 PM
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

omaghjoe

Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2019, 07:51:15 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 06:53:08 PM
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.

It's more the perception that the South s health service is bad and that you have to pay for it.

But yes knowing/idealizing  how to spend money is simple but knowing how to raise it is the real trick. In saying that tho, being constrained and consequently proped up by London is no healthy or sustainable state of affairs either.

Applesisapples

Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 08:07:33 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2019, 07:51:15 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 06:53:08 PM
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.

It's more the perception that the South s health service is bad and that you have to pay for it.

But yes knowing/idealizing  how to spend money is simple but knowing how to raise it is the real trick. In saying that tho, being constrained and consequently proped up by London is no healthy or sustainable state of affairs either.
The UK NHS is in crisis and it is unlikely to continue in the same model, free at the point of delivery. Brexit quite likely will be the final nail. A hybrid system such as the South's is coming down the tracks at people currently under 40. at the very least charges for prescriptions and GP visits are inevitable in the course of the next few years.

Franko

Quote from: Applesisapples on August 15, 2019, 11:02:29 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 08:07:33 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2019, 07:51:15 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 06:53:08 PM
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.

It's more the perception that the South s health service is bad and that you have to pay for it.

But yes knowing/idealizing  how to spend money is simple but knowing how to raise it is the real trick. In saying that tho, being constrained and consequently proped up by London is no healthy or sustainable state of affairs either.
The UK NHS is in crisis and it is unlikely to continue in the same model, free at the point of delivery. Brexit quite likely will be the final nail. A hybrid system such as the South's is coming down the tracks at people currently under 40. at the very least charges for prescriptions and GP visits are inevitable in the course of the next few years.

Big fan of the NHS but I do think some sort of nominal charge for a GP visit should be applied, if only to root out the timewasters.

Stick in some sort of clause whereby you didn't pay more for multiple visits for the same condition (on the Doctor's say-so).

There are a serious amount of people who wouldn't actually need an antibiotic for a head cold if they had to pay a tenner for it.

Solo_run

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Big fan of the NHS but I do think some sort of nominal charge for a GP visit should be applied, if only to root out the timewasters.

Stick in some sort of clause whereby you didn't pay more for multiple visits for the same condition (on the Doctor's say-so).

There are a serious amount of people who wouldn't actually need an antibiotic for a head cold if they had to pay a tenner for it.

Start charging those who get drunk at the weekend and require an ambulance.

johnnycool

Quote from: Franko on August 15, 2019, 01:14:11 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 15, 2019, 11:02:29 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 08:07:33 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2019, 07:51:15 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 06:53:08 PM
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.

It's more the perception that the South s health service is bad and that you have to pay for it.

But yes knowing/idealizing  how to spend money is simple but knowing how to raise it is the real trick. In saying that tho, being constrained and consequently proped up by London is no healthy or sustainable state of affairs either.
The UK NHS is in crisis and it is unlikely to continue in the same model, free at the point of delivery. Brexit quite likely will be the final nail. A hybrid system such as the South's is coming down the tracks at people currently under 40. at the very least charges for prescriptions and GP visits are inevitable in the course of the next few years.

Big fan of the NHS but I do think some sort of nominal charge for a GP visit should be applied, if only to root out the timewasters.

Stick in some sort of clause whereby you didn't pay more for multiple visits for the same condition (on the Doctor's say-so).

There are a serious amount of people who wouldn't actually need an antibiotic for a head cold if they had to pay a tenner for it.

No self respecting GP should be giving them out but a minimal fee might stop some people from clogging up waiting rooms asking for them.

I've known people to get paracetamol, sudocream and the likes on prescription when they're cheap as chips to buy anyway.

t_mac

Quote from: Franko on August 15, 2019, 01:14:11 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 15, 2019, 11:02:29 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 08:07:33 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2019, 07:51:15 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 06:53:08 PM
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.

It's more the perception that the South s health service is bad and that you have to pay for it.

But yes knowing/idealizing  how to spend money is simple but knowing how to raise it is the real trick. In saying that tho, being constrained and consequently proped up by London is no healthy or sustainable state of affairs either.
The UK NHS is in crisis and it is unlikely to continue in the same model, free at the point of delivery. Brexit quite likely will be the final nail. A hybrid system such as the South's is coming down the tracks at people currently under 40. at the very least charges for prescriptions and GP visits are inevitable in the course of the next few years.

Big fan of the NHS but I do think some sort of nominal charge for a GP visit should be applied, if only to root out the timewasters.

Stick in some sort of clause whereby you didn't pay more for multiple visits for the same condition (on the Doctor's say-so).

There are a serious amount of people who wouldn't actually need an antibiotic for a head cold if they had to pay a tenner for it.

Bring back charging for prescriptions for those in employment.

marty34

Quote from: Franko on August 15, 2019, 01:14:11 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 15, 2019, 11:02:29 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 08:07:33 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2019, 07:51:15 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 06:53:08 PM
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.

It's more the perception that the South s health service is bad and that you have to pay for it.

But yes knowing/idealizing  how to spend money is simple but knowing how to raise it is the real trick. In saying that tho, being constrained and consequently proped up by London is no healthy or sustainable state of affairs either.
The UK NHS is in crisis and it is unlikely to continue in the same model, free at the point of delivery. Brexit quite likely will be the final nail. A hybrid system such as the South's is coming down the tracks at people currently under 40. at the very least charges for prescriptions and GP visits are inevitable in the course of the next few years.

Big fan of the NHS but I do think some sort of nominal charge for a GP visit should be applied, if only to root out the timewasters.

Stick in some sort of clause whereby you didn't pay more for multiple visits for the same condition (on the Doctor's say-so).

There are a serious amount of people who wouldn't actually need an antibiotic for a head cold if they had to pay a tenner for it.

I agree - £5 for each visit for U50's say. I remembering being with doctors last year and there was stats up on an electronic board in reception stating how many people missed appointments in that particular clinic last year.  I can't remember the figure but I remember thinking, that's crazy.  Some waste of money there if replicated in every surgery.

t_mac

You miss an appointment at a dentist you get charged, though in saying that - I have sat and waited over 45 minutes after my appointment time at a doctors, and know an older man who couldnt get parked because of roadworks and when he got in he was 3 minutes late and the doctor refused to see him as he missed his appointment!

BennyCake

Quote from: t_mac on August 15, 2019, 01:57:02 PM
Quote from: Franko on August 15, 2019, 01:14:11 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 15, 2019, 11:02:29 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 08:07:33 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2019, 07:51:15 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 06:53:08 PM
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.

It's more the perception that the South s health service is bad and that you have to pay for it.

But yes knowing/idealizing  how to spend money is simple but knowing how to raise it is the real trick. In saying that tho, being constrained and consequently proped up by London is no healthy or sustainable state of affairs either.
The UK NHS is in crisis and it is unlikely to continue in the same model, free at the point of delivery. Brexit quite likely will be the final nail. A hybrid system such as the South's is coming down the tracks at people currently under 40. at the very least charges for prescriptions and GP visits are inevitable in the course of the next few years.

Big fan of the NHS but I do think some sort of nominal charge for a GP visit should be applied, if only to root out the timewasters.

Stick in some sort of clause whereby you didn't pay more for multiple visits for the same condition (on the Doctor's say-so).

There are a serious amount of people who wouldn't actually need an antibiotic for a head cold if they had to pay a tenner for it.

Bring back charging for prescriptions for those in employment.

People are paying enough.

Why should ordinary folk be now charged to help pay for inept tossers in government who can't balance their books?

BennyCake

Quote from: marty34 on August 15, 2019, 01:59:17 PM
Quote from: Franko on August 15, 2019, 01:14:11 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 15, 2019, 11:02:29 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 08:07:33 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2019, 07:51:15 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 06:53:08 PM
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.

It's more the perception that the South s health service is bad and that you have to pay for it.

But yes knowing/idealizing  how to spend money is simple but knowing how to raise it is the real trick. In saying that tho, being constrained and consequently proped up by London is no healthy or sustainable state of affairs either.
The UK NHS is in crisis and it is unlikely to continue in the same model, free at the point of delivery. Brexit quite likely will be the final nail. A hybrid system such as the South's is coming down the tracks at people currently under 40. at the very least charges for prescriptions and GP visits are inevitable in the course of the next few years.

Big fan of the NHS but I do think some sort of nominal charge for a GP visit should be applied, if only to root out the timewasters.

Stick in some sort of clause whereby you didn't pay more for multiple visits for the same condition (on the Doctor's say-so).

There are a serious amount of people who wouldn't actually need an antibiotic for a head cold if they had to pay a tenner for it.

I agree - £5 for each visit for U50's say. I remembering being with doctors last year and there was stats up on an electronic board in reception stating how many people missed appointments in that particular clinic last year.  I can't remember the figure but I remember thinking, that's crazy.  Some waste of money there if replicated in every surgery.

Yes, well i agree with charging for missed appointments. Next time they ring up for one, tell them the doctor won't be seeing you until you settle your bill.

t_mac

Quote from: BennyCake on August 15, 2019, 02:59:21 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 15, 2019, 01:57:02 PM
Quote from: Franko on August 15, 2019, 01:14:11 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 15, 2019, 11:02:29 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 08:07:33 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2019, 07:51:15 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 06:53:08 PM
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.

It's more the perception that the South s health service is bad and that you have to pay for it.

But yes knowing/idealizing  how to spend money is simple but knowing how to raise it is the real trick. In saying that tho, being constrained and consequently proped up by London is no healthy or sustainable state of affairs either.
The UK NHS is in crisis and it is unlikely to continue in the same model, free at the point of delivery. Brexit quite likely will be the final nail. A hybrid system such as the South's is coming down the tracks at people currently under 40. at the very least charges for prescriptions and GP visits are inevitable in the course of the next few years.

Big fan of the NHS but I do think some sort of nominal charge for a GP visit should be applied, if only to root out the timewasters.

Stick in some sort of clause whereby you didn't pay more for multiple visits for the same condition (on the Doctor's say-so).

There are a serious amount of people who wouldn't actually need an antibiotic for a head cold if they had to pay a tenner for it.

Bring back charging for prescriptions for those in employment.

People are paying enough.

Why should ordinary folk be now charged to help pay for inept t**sers in government who can't balance their books?

It was said in the context of paying to see a doctor, ditto in bold if one had to pay for each antibiotic.

t_mac

Quote from: BennyCake on August 15, 2019, 03:01:18 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 15, 2019, 01:59:17 PM
Quote from: Franko on August 15, 2019, 01:14:11 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 15, 2019, 11:02:29 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 08:07:33 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2019, 07:51:15 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 06:53:08 PM
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.

It's more the perception that the South s health service is bad and that you have to pay for it.

But yes knowing/idealizing  how to spend money is simple but knowing how to raise it is the real trick. In saying that tho, being constrained and consequently proped up by London is no healthy or sustainable state of affairs either.
The UK NHS is in crisis and it is unlikely to continue in the same model, free at the point of delivery. Brexit quite likely will be the final nail. A hybrid system such as the South's is coming down the tracks at people currently under 40. at the very least charges for prescriptions and GP visits are inevitable in the course of the next few years.

Big fan of the NHS but I do think some sort of nominal charge for a GP visit should be applied, if only to root out the timewasters.

Stick in some sort of clause whereby you didn't pay more for multiple visits for the same condition (on the Doctor's say-so).

There are a serious amount of people who wouldn't actually need an antibiotic for a head cold if they had to pay a tenner for it.

I agree - £5 for each visit for U50's say. I remembering being with doctors last year and there was stats up on an electronic board in reception stating how many people missed appointments in that particular clinic last year.  I can't remember the figure but I remember thinking, that's crazy.  Some waste of money there if replicated in every surgery.

Yes, well i agree with charging for missed appointments. Next time they ring up for one, tell them the doctor won't be seeing you until you settle your bill.

And can you claim if your appointment is late, like flights, people very readily accept sitting for hours in a waiting room past their appointment time as some gobshite is in wasting the doctors time.