Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

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armaghniac

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2024, 03:18:59 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on March 08, 2024, 01:47:40 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 08, 2024, 11:04:25 AMThe Glider does go past Casement.

I'm not familiar  very much with Belfast .

If there is a glider stop  At Casement , are there any    Park and Ride facilities further out  of the city (around Sprucefield/Long Kesh etc) that would enable  easy access  for matches by the Glider?

Glider stop is right at the leisure center next door to Casement

Which is more or less irrelevant on match day. On A Sunday this runs every 15 minutes, so could transport less than 1% of patrons, given there are some other people on the bus.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

AustinPowers

Quote from: Dreadnought on March 08, 2024, 02:22:35 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 08, 2024, 01:50:45 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 08, 2024, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 08, 2024, 11:39:52 AMIf the Euro soccer doesn't happen due to no more £s from the Brits then provide what you can with the funds available..new pitch, 5,000 seat stand, some terracing.
Imagine thinking a GAA style stadium straight from the 60s would be sufficient going forward for years... Clones needs replaced, an Ulster final location is needed. Your suggestion ain't it
No Brit money = no Euro soccer = GAA have £80m (possibly plus our €50m).
Who then is going to pay the extra £75m to build a 34k capacity Ulster Final Stadium?
Just asking a realistic question ;)
First off, the GAA requirements are not the full cost of the stadium. GAA needs are far less than the UEFA standard, so if no Euros, or they don't want to host UEFA matches or such in future, then the cost gets revised down quite a bit from the silly figures being bandied about the place. I can't see how the British are let off with putting in no more money here, Euros or not. The original NI executive allowance is very far below inflation levels, and in order for some sort of stadium to be built, they will come in with something. I can't see how it will be swallowed politically if Ireland chumps in with 50million a few weeks ago and they do nothing, yet will get the tax proceeds of a stadium there. A very good stadium can be built with no Euros, but the point being is for a little bit more, the Euros can be done and you leave a modern legacy stadium there for all and paid off nearly immediately.

Well, they have continually underfunded the north  for years , so  not stumping up money for Casement would be  nothing new.

AustinPowers

Quote from: armaghniac on March 08, 2024, 03:22:37 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2024, 03:18:59 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on March 08, 2024, 01:47:40 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 08, 2024, 11:04:25 AMThe Glider does go past Casement.

I'm not familiar  very much with Belfast .

If there is a glider stop  At Casement , are there any    Park and Ride facilities further out  of the city (around Sprucefield/Long Kesh etc) that would enable  easy access  for matches by the Glider?

Glider stop is right at the leisure center next door to Casement

Which is more or less irrelevant on match day. On A Sunday this runs every 15 minutes, so could transport less than 1% of patrons, given there are some other people on the bus.

So, the Glider isn't going to be ferrying in  thousands of fans on match days then , nor  alleviating  traffic

Any chance a  tram system could be built  in Belfast by  2028?

Kidder81

Quote from: AustinPowers on March 08, 2024, 04:52:23 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 08, 2024, 02:22:35 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 08, 2024, 01:50:45 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 08, 2024, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 08, 2024, 11:39:52 AMIf the Euro soccer doesn't happen due to no more £s from the Brits then provide what you can with the funds available..new pitch, 5,000 seat stand, some terracing.
Imagine thinking a GAA style stadium straight from the 60s would be sufficient going forward for years... Clones needs replaced, an Ulster final location is needed. Your suggestion ain't it
No Brit money = no Euro soccer = GAA have £80m (possibly plus our €50m).
Who then is going to pay the extra £75m to build a 34k capacity Ulster Final Stadium?
Just asking a realistic question ;)
First off, the GAA requirements are not the full cost of the stadium. GAA needs are far less than the UEFA standard, so if no Euros, or they don't want to host UEFA matches or such in future, then the cost gets revised down quite a bit from the silly figures being bandied about the place. I can't see how the British are let off with putting in no more money here, Euros or not. The original NI executive allowance is very far below inflation levels, and in order for some sort of stadium to be built, they will come in with something. I can't see how it will be swallowed politically if Ireland chumps in with 50million a few weeks ago and they do nothing, yet will get the tax proceeds of a stadium there. A very good stadium can be built with no Euros, but the point being is for a little bit more, the Euros can be done and you leave a modern legacy stadium there for all and paid off nearly immediately.

Well, they have continually underfunded the north  for years , so  not stumping up money for Casement would be  nothing new.

Not really true when you look at what's spent here per head compared to England

seafoid

Quote from: Kidder81 on March 08, 2024, 05:19:03 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on March 08, 2024, 04:52:23 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 08, 2024, 02:22:35 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 08, 2024, 01:50:45 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 08, 2024, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 08, 2024, 11:39:52 AMIf the Euro soccer doesn't happen due to no more £s from the Brits then provide what you can with the funds available..new pitch, 5,000 seat stand, some terracing.
Imagine thinking a GAA style stadium straight from the 60s would be sufficient going forward for years... Clones needs replaced, an Ulster final location is needed. Your suggestion ain't it
No Brit money = no Euro soccer = GAA have £80m (possibly plus our €50m).
Who then is going to pay the extra £75m to build a 34k capacity Ulster Final Stadium?
Just asking a realistic question ;)
First off, the GAA requirements are not the full cost of the stadium. GAA needs are far less than the UEFA standard, so if no Euros, or they don't want to host UEFA matches or such in future, then the cost gets revised down quite a bit from the silly figures being bandied about the place. I can't see how the British are let off with putting in no more money here, Euros or not. The original NI executive allowance is very far below inflation levels, and in order for some sort of stadium to be built, they will come in with something. I can't see how it will be swallowed politically if Ireland chumps in with 50million a few weeks ago and they do nothing, yet will get the tax proceeds of a stadium there. A very good stadium can be built with no Euros, but the point being is for a little bit more, the Euros can be done and you leave a modern legacy stadium there for all and paid off nearly immediately.

Well, they have continually underfunded the north  for years , so  not stumping up money for Casement would be  nothing new.

Not really true when you look at what's spent here per head compared to England
Infrastructure in the North has been neglected . I don't think that is included in the subvention. Casement and the A5 are projects which should have been completed years ago.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Dreadnought

Quote from: AustinPowers on March 08, 2024, 04:52:23 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 08, 2024, 02:22:35 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 08, 2024, 01:50:45 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 08, 2024, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 08, 2024, 11:39:52 AMIf the Euro soccer doesn't happen due to no more £s from the Brits then provide what you can with the funds available..new pitch, 5,000 seat stand, some terracing.
Imagine thinking a GAA style stadium straight from the 60s would be sufficient going forward for years... Clones needs replaced, an Ulster final location is needed. Your suggestion ain't it
No Brit money = no Euro soccer = GAA have £80m (possibly plus our €50m).
Who then is going to pay the extra £75m to build a 34k capacity Ulster Final Stadium?
Just asking a realistic question ;)
First off, the GAA requirements are not the full cost of the stadium. GAA needs are far less than the UEFA standard, so if no Euros, or they don't want to host UEFA matches or such in future, then the cost gets revised down quite a bit from the silly figures being bandied about the place. I can't see how the British are let off with putting in no more money here, Euros or not. The original NI executive allowance is very far below inflation levels, and in order for some sort of stadium to be built, they will come in with something. I can't see how it will be swallowed politically if Ireland chumps in with 50million a few weeks ago and they do nothing, yet will get the tax proceeds of a stadium there. A very good stadium can be built with no Euros, but the point being is for a little bit more, the Euros can be done and you leave a modern legacy stadium there for all and paid off nearly immediately.

Well, they have continually underfunded the north  for years , so  not stumping up money for Casement would be  nothing new.
Oh absolutely, but getting one upped by the Irish government? I can't see it

trailer

For anyone reading this not familiar with Belfast. The "Glider" is a bus and we're discussing can the bus stop outside Casement park.

<exhales loudly>


Duine Inteacht Eile

Indeed. And for the record there is a Glider stop named "Casement Park".

Having said that, years ago it was suggested that the entire Andytown Road would be closed half a mile either side of Casement on match days.
I can't remember what version of Casement this was for nor do I know if it is still a thing.

I don't think access & parking in the general area is an issue at all fwiw.
There are lots of different ways of arriving in Andersonstown from outside the city. It's just getting that info out there.

Sportacus

Quote from: Dreadnought on March 08, 2024, 06:57:45 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on March 08, 2024, 04:52:23 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 08, 2024, 02:22:35 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 08, 2024, 01:50:45 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 08, 2024, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 08, 2024, 11:39:52 AMIf the Euro soccer doesn't happen due to no more £s from the Brits then provide what you can with the funds available..new pitch, 5,000 seat stand, some terracing.
Imagine thinking a GAA style stadium straight from the 60s would be sufficient going forward for years... Clones needs replaced, an Ulster final location is needed. Your suggestion ain't it
No Brit money = no Euro soccer = GAA have £80m (possibly plus our €50m).
Who then is going to pay the extra £75m to build a 34k capacity Ulster Final Stadium?
Just asking a realistic question ;)
First off, the GAA requirements are not the full cost of the stadium. GAA needs are far less than the UEFA standard, so if no Euros, or they don't want to host UEFA matches or such in future, then the cost gets revised down quite a bit from the silly figures being bandied about the place. I can't see how the British are let off with putting in no more money here, Euros or not. The original NI executive allowance is very far below inflation levels, and in order for some sort of stadium to be built, they will come in with something. I can't see how it will be swallowed politically if Ireland chumps in with 50million a few weeks ago and they do nothing, yet will get the tax proceeds of a stadium there. A very good stadium can be built with no Euros, but the point being is for a little bit more, the Euros can be done and you leave a modern legacy stadium there for all and paid off nearly immediately.

Well, they have continually underfunded the north  for years , so  not stumping up money for Casement would be  nothing new.
Oh absolutely, but getting one upped by the Irish government? I can't see it
Heaton Harris' change of tone was to say we changed our mind on HS2 because costs spun out of control, so we may have to change our mind here - and there were a hell of a lot of votes at risk with HS2. It's election year and everything the Tories say will be put through the election filter first, not that Casement would register on any British voters list of worries. If they renege, it will have zero consequences for their vote in Britain.

Rossfan

Seems they might lose up to 250 seats in the next GE so Euros in Belfast won't be too high on their list of priorities.

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Cavan19

Quote from: trailer on March 08, 2024, 08:32:58 PMFor anyone reading this not familiar with Belfast. The "Glider" is a bus and we're discussing can the bus stop outside Casement park.

<exhales loudly>



Any the answer to that would be now i would presume.  Not directly outside anyway.

Orior

Quote from: trailer on March 08, 2024, 08:32:58 PMFor anyone reading this not familiar with Belfast. The "Glider" is a bus and we're discussing can the bus stop outside Casement park.

<exhales loudly>



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Cover me in chocolate and feed me to the lesbians

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Orior on March 09, 2024, 03:17:16 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 08, 2024, 08:32:58 PMFor anyone reading this not familiar with Belfast. The "Glider" is a bus and we're discussing can the bus stop outside Casement park.

<exhales loudly>



And TransLink is a dating app for the LGBTQIA community.

Any luck?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Rossfan

I see a Pint o' porther is £6 in Windsor Park but you can get 4 for £28 😆😅🤣
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM