Connacht Minor, U-20 and Junior championships 2020

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Cunny Funt

Quote from: Mano on May 30, 2018, 10:10:19 AM
Sligo play Roscommon in the under 20's this weekend without their 3 best players (and probably their keeper) due to this crazy rule that under 20 players who play senior championship cannot play under 20. Again another rule implemented by GAA authorities that has an negative impact on the weaker counties. Don't think any Roscommon under 20 players lined out last weekend although the Lennon lad is injured. This 2 teams played out a very tight game at minor level with Roscommon coming from behind to win by a point. Likely to be a more comfortable victory for the Rossies at the weekend due to Sligo missing players.

Anyone with a ounce of sense knows it was wrong to scrap the U21 football championship and even more so when you see what its replaced with. Hard to warm to U20 championship at all and if its kept on the crazy rules as you mentioned there need to be changed and this championship should be played at more suitable time than in the middle of exams.

Hound

Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 30, 2018, 01:29:38 PM
Quote from: Mano on May 30, 2018, 10:10:19 AM
Sligo play Roscommon in the under 20's this weekend without their 3 best players (and probably their keeper) due to this crazy rule that under 20 players who play senior championship cannot play under 20. Again another rule implemented by GAA authorities that has an negative impact on the weaker counties. Don't think any Roscommon under 20 players lined out last weekend although the Lennon lad is injured. This 2 teams played out a very tight game at minor level with Roscommon coming from behind to win by a point. Likely to be a more comfortable victory for the Rossies at the weekend due to Sligo missing players.

Anyone with a ounce of sense knows it was wrong to scrap the U21 football championship and even more so when you see what its replaced with. Hard to warm to U20 championship at all and if its kept on the crazy rules as you mentioned there need to be changed and this championship should be played at more suitable time than in the middle of exams.

BURN OUT!

SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE!

Or so the mantra went. Yet it was never defined. What exactly is burn out, and which players got burned out? And did everyone else with the same workload get burn out too, or was it just the odd lad?

So the answer is let's go after the little counties and hit them where it hurts, not let their best lads play!

It's training rather than matches that need sorting. Playing consecutive days for different teams (or the same team for Sigerson!) should be banned, as should training for multiple teams at the same time.

The rule should be that if you are training with the senior team, you can't also train with the U20s, other than maybe attend meetings or video sessions. But if the U20s want to pick you for a match, then fire ahead. It mightn't be ideal, but better than this situation which penalises the smaller counties very heavily.   

SLIGONIAN

This match could not have been more set up for Roscommon, having Sligo Seniors playing the day after and Roscommon seniors having the weekend off. So either way we were screwed. All im looking for is being competitive, we have some great players coming through but missing Liam Gaughan, Carrabine, O Connor who have excelled already for us at senior and will test Galway are huge losses to the u20. It will be interesting to see how we get on, because with Red Og, Marren, Gorman etc.. theres always a chance.
"hard work will always beat talent if talent doesn't work"

westbound

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 30, 2018, 05:53:42 PM
This match could not have been more set up for Roscommon, having Sligo Seniors playing the day after and Roscommon seniors having the weekend off. So either way we were screwed. All im looking for is being competitive, we have some great players coming through but missing Liam Gaughan, Carrabine, O Connor who have excelled already for us at senior and will test Galway are huge losses to the u20. It will be interesting to see how we get on, because with Red Og, Marren, Gorman etc.. theres always a chance.

What impact does the seniors fixtures have on the U-20 game?

Mano

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Quote from: westbound on May 31, 2018, 10:17:48 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 30, 2018, 05:53:42 PM
This match could not have been more set up for Roscommon, having Sligo Seniors playing the day after and Roscommon seniors having the weekend off. So either way we were screwed. All im looking for is being competitive, we have some great players coming through but missing Liam Gaughan, Carrabine, O Connor who have excelled already for us at senior and will test Galway are huge losses to the u20. It will be interesting to see how we get on, because with Red Og, Marren, Gorman etc.. theres always a chance.

What impact does the seniors fixtures have on the U-20 game?

Rule brought in last year to combat 'burn out' which states a player cannot play under 20 if he has played senior championship in the same year. This rules out 3 Sligo players, Liam Gaughan, Paddy O'Connor and Sean Carribine. Also unlikely that the keeper will not play as he is sub keeper for the senior team the following day. Absolute joke of a ruling.

magpie seanie

Quote from: Mano on May 31, 2018, 10:37:58 AM
Quote from: westbound on May 31, 2018, 10:17:48 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 30, 2018, 05:53:42 PM
This match could not have been more set up for Roscommon, having Sligo Seniors playing the day after and Roscommon seniors having the weekend off. So either way we were screwed. All im looking for is being competitive, we have some great players coming through but missing Liam Gaughan, Carrabine, O Connor who have excelled already for us at senior and will test Galway are huge losses to the u20. It will be interesting to see how we get on, because with Red Og, Marren, Gorman etc.. theres always a chance.

What impact does the seniors fixtures have on the U-20 game?

Rule brought in last year to combat 'burn out' which states a player cannot play under 20 if he has played senior championship in the same year. This rules out 3 Sligo players, Liam Gaughan, Paddy O'Connor and Sean Carribine. Also unlikely that the keeper will play as he is sub keeper for the senior team the following day. Absolute joke of a ruling.

There are also other U20 players who would be in contention for a place on the bench with the seniors which adds complication to the week for both management teams. Not ideal.

Blowitupref

Quote from: Mano on May 31, 2018, 10:37:58 AM
Quote from: westbound on May 31, 2018, 10:17:48 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 30, 2018, 05:53:42 PM
This match could not have been more set up for Roscommon, having Sligo Seniors playing the day after and Roscommon seniors having the weekend off. So either way we were screwed. All im looking for is being competitive, we have some great players coming through but missing Liam Gaughan, Carrabine, O Connor who have excelled already for us at senior and will test Galway are huge losses to the u20. It will be interesting to see how we get on, because with Red Og, Marren, Gorman etc.. theres always a chance.

What impact does the seniors fixtures have on the U-20 game?

Rule brought in last year to combat 'burn out' which states a player cannot play under 20 if he has played senior championship in the same year. This rules out 3 Sligo players, Liam Gaughan, Paddy O'Connor and Sean Carribine. Also unlikely that the keeper will not play as he is sub keeper for the senior team the following day. Absolute joke of a ruling.
Silly rule no doubt but what is worse is scheduling this championship at exam times. Shane Curran from listening to this http://www.shannonside.ie/sport/roscommon-sport/shane-curran-looks-ahead-sligo-showdown/ has decided study,education comes first and rightly so but who is the buffoons responsible for playing it in June. 
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

westbound

Quote from: Mano on May 31, 2018, 10:37:58 AM
Quote from: westbound on May 31, 2018, 10:17:48 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 30, 2018, 05:53:42 PM
This match could not have been more set up for Roscommon, having Sligo Seniors playing the day after and Roscommon seniors having the weekend off. So either way we were screwed. All im looking for is being competitive, we have some great players coming through but missing Liam Gaughan, Carrabine, O Connor who have excelled already for us at senior and will test Galway are huge losses to the u20. It will be interesting to see how we get on, because with Red Og, Marren, Gorman etc.. theres always a chance.

What impact does the seniors fixtures have on the U-20 game?

Rule brought in last year to combat 'burn out' which states a player cannot play under 20 if he has played senior championship in the same year. This rules out 3 Sligo players, Liam Gaughan, Paddy O'Connor and Sean Carribine. Also unlikely that the keeper will not play as he is sub keeper for the senior team the following day. Absolute joke of a ruling.

I know that.

My point was to question how sligonian thinks that the senior fixtures (i.e. roscommon having the weekend off) 'sets it up for Roscommon'?

I agree that the rules affects teams with bigger/stronger panels the least.

Cunny Funt

Quote from: Mano on May 31, 2018, 10:37:58 AM
Quote from: westbound on May 31, 2018, 10:17:48 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 30, 2018, 05:53:42 PM
This match could not have been more set up for Roscommon, having Sligo Seniors playing the day after and Roscommon seniors having the weekend off. So either way we were screwed. All im looking for is being competitive, we have some great players coming through but missing Liam Gaughan, Carrabine, O Connor who have excelled already for us at senior and will test Galway are huge losses to the u20. It will be interesting to see how we get on, because with Red Og, Marren, Gorman etc.. theres always a chance.

What impact does the seniors fixtures have on the U-20 game?

Rule brought in last year to combat 'burn out' which states a player cannot play under 20 if he has played senior championship in the same year. This rules out 3 Sligo players, Liam Gaughan, Paddy O'Connor and Sean Carribine. Also unlikely that the keeper will not play as he is sub keeper for the senior team the following day. Absolute joke of a ruling.

Can't you play for the U20s and still be a sub keeper for the seniors?

weareros

The U21 Championship was one of the few GAA competitions that had no flaws. It was played off quickly, old fashioned knockout, at a time of year when did not conflict with senior championship or school exams, a good age for most players  to then transition into senior. The football was good and there was prestige in winning it. It was no wonder they decided to eff it up.

Mano

Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 31, 2018, 01:16:38 PM
Quote from: Mano on May 31, 2018, 10:37:58 AM
Quote from: westbound on May 31, 2018, 10:17:48 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 30, 2018, 05:53:42 PM
This match could not have been more set up for Roscommon, having Sligo Seniors playing the day after and Roscommon seniors having the weekend off. So either way we were screwed. All im looking for is being competitive, we have some great players coming through but missing Liam Gaughan, Carrabine, O Connor who have excelled already for us at senior and will test Galway are huge losses to the u20. It will be interesting to see how we get on, because with Red Og, Marren, Gorman etc.. theres always a chance.

What impact does the seniors fixtures have on the U-20 game?

Rule brought in last year to combat 'burn out' which states a player cannot play under 20 if he has played senior championship in the same year. This rules out 3 Sligo players, Liam Gaughan, Paddy O'Connor and Sean Carribine. Also unlikely that the keeper will not play as he is sub keeper for the senior team the following day. Absolute joke of a ruling.

Can't you play for the U20s and still be a sub keeper for the seniors?

I think that should be acceptable. However senior manager doesn't. Other players on the senior panel u20's are having difficulty getting access to. Rule is a joke and need to be repealed.

Hound

Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 31, 2018, 01:16:38 PM
Quote from: Mano on May 31, 2018, 10:37:58 AM
Quote from: westbound on May 31, 2018, 10:17:48 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 30, 2018, 05:53:42 PM
This match could not have been more set up for Roscommon, having Sligo Seniors playing the day after and Roscommon seniors having the weekend off. So either way we were screwed. All im looking for is being competitive, we have some great players coming through but missing Liam Gaughan, Carrabine, O Connor who have excelled already for us at senior and will test Galway are huge losses to the u20. It will be interesting to see how we get on, because with Red Og, Marren, Gorman etc.. theres always a chance.

What impact does the seniors fixtures have on the U-20 game?

Rule brought in last year to combat 'burn out' which states a player cannot play under 20 if he has played senior championship in the same year. This rules out 3 Sligo players, Liam Gaughan, Paddy O'Connor and Sean Carribine. Also unlikely that the keeper will not play as he is sub keeper for the senior team the following day. Absolute joke of a ruling.

Can't you play for the U20s and still be a sub keeper for the seniors?
Yep. But if you come on as sub for the seniors, then you can't play any more with the 20s.
Evan Comerford has been sub goalie for both the Dubs seniors and U20s this year. Not clear why he didn't start for the U20s, maybe he will for the next match

Zulu

Think this is a very good rule. All underage inter county championships should be played in group formats, knockout is daft, and lads should be only able to play on one team. I find it amazing that lads complain about the club fixtures but then want lads to be able to play with multiple inter county teams. If a guy is good enough to play on both an U20 and senior team then pick one and go with it. IMO, if he is U20 it should be the U20 team and he should be guaranteed at least 5 championship games with them.

magpie seanie

Quote from: Zulu on May 31, 2018, 02:34:31 PM
Think this is a very good rule. All underage inter county championships should be played in group formats, knockout is daft, and lads should be only able to play on one team. I find it amazing that lads complain about the club fixtures but then want lads to be able to play with multiple inter county teams. If a guy is good enough to play on both an U20 and senior team then pick one and go with it. IMO, if he is U20 it should be the U20 team and he should be guaranteed at least 5 championship games with them.

The rule will only ever impact counties with fewer playing resources. You'll rarely see an u-20 player getting game time with Dublin for example while we had 3 lads playing against London. I understand the thinking but the impact is not equitable.

galwayman

Quote from: Hound on May 31, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 31, 2018, 01:16:38 PM
Quote from: Mano on May 31, 2018, 10:37:58 AM
Quote from: westbound on May 31, 2018, 10:17:48 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 30, 2018, 05:53:42 PM
This match could not have been more set up for Roscommon, having Sligo Seniors playing the day after and Roscommon seniors having the weekend off. So either way we were screwed. All im looking for is being competitive, we have some great players coming through but missing Liam Gaughan, Carrabine, O Connor who have excelled already for us at senior and will test Galway are huge losses to the u20. It will be interesting to see how we get on, because with Red Og, Marren, Gorman etc.. theres always a chance.
I assume Comerford was held in reserve for the u20s as he wouldn't be able to sub for the seniors if he played?
Begs the question of why he was included on the bench in the first place then though.
What impact does the seniors fixtures have on the U-20 game?

Rule brought in last year to combat 'burn out' which states a player cannot play under 20 if he has played senior championship in the same year. This rules out 3 Sligo players, Liam Gaughan, Paddy O'Connor and Sean Carribine. Also unlikely that the keeper will not play as he is sub keeper for the senior team the following day. Absolute joke of a ruling.

Can't you play for the U20s and still be a sub keeper for the seniors?
Yep. But if you come on as sub for the seniors, then you can't play any more with the 20s.
Evan Comerford has been sub goalie for both the Dubs seniors and U20s this year. Not clear why he didn't start for the U20s, maybe he will for the next match