Irish News

[Main Street]

It's reckoned that around  half the catholic priests are gay. There are a higher % of priests who are gays  working in the Vatican,

I suppose you've done the surveys yourself on this? What's the breakdown in figures?

You don't take issue with the Vatican owning italy's biggest gay sauna?

The research stats go from 30 to 60% of catholic priests are actively gay, gay inclined or had homosexual experiences.
"Beyond these estimates, of course, are priests who remain confused about their orientation and men who have so successfully denied their orientation, that in spite of predominately same-sex erotic fantasies, they insist that they are heterosexual."



https://xcjournal.org/the-errors-of-catholicism/homosexual-priests/

Surveys sent to 500 random priests by Rev. Thomas Crangle,  a Franciscan priest in 1990 received 398 responses, with 45% confirming that they were gay. Other surveys and estimates reflect a percentage of between 20 and 50 percent. An NBC report found that anywhere from 23 to 58 percent of Catholic clergy have homosexual orientation."


"An estimate of the number of gays in U.S. seminaries and the priesthood range from 25 percent to 50 percent, according to a review of research by the Rev. Donald Cozzens psychologist, and Catholic seminary president  and author of "The Changing Face of the Priesthood." 

Roman Catholic Gay Priests: Internalized Homophobia, Sexual Identity, and Psychological Well-Being
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/257635776_Roman_Catholic_Gay_Priests_Internalized_Homophobia_Sexual_Identity_and_Psychological_Well-Being
Using convenience sampling, a national sample of 156 actively ministering or
retired Roman Catholic priests was obtained. One hundred and five (105) of these priests
identified as gay/homosexual (67.3 %

[OgraAnDun]

It's reckoned that around  half the catholic priests are gay. There are a higher % of priests who are gays  working in the Vatican,

I suppose you've done the surveys yourself on this? What's the breakdown in figures?

You don't take issue with the Vatican owning italy's biggest gay sauna?

The research stats go from 30 to 60% of catholic priests are actively gay, gay inclined or had homosexual experiences.
"Beyond these estimates, of course, are priests who remain confused about their orientation and men who have so successfully denied their orientation, that in spite of predominately same-sex erotic fantasies, they insist that they are heterosexual."



https://xcjournal.org/the-errors-of-catholicism/homosexual-priests/

Surveys sent to 500 random priests by Rev. Thomas Crangle,  a Franciscan priest in 1990 received 398 responses, with 45% confirming that they were gay. Other surveys and estimates reflect a percentage of between 20 and 50 percent. An NBC report found that anywhere from 23 to 58 percent of Catholic clergy have homosexual orientation."


"An estimate of the number of gays in U.S. seminaries and the priesthood range from 25 percent to 50 percent, according to a review of research by the Rev. Donald Cozzens psychologist, and Catholic seminary president  and author of "The Changing Face of the Priesthood." 

Roman Catholic Gay Priests: Internalized Homophobia, Sexual Identity, and Psychological Well-Being
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/257635776_Roman_Catholic_Gay_Priests_Internalized_Homophobia_Sexual_Identity_and_Psychological_Well-Being
Using convenience sampling, a national sample of 156 actively ministering or
retired Roman Catholic priests was obtained. One hundred and five (105) of these priests
identified as gay/homosexual (67.3 %

Fair enough then, I stand corrected. As regards the sauna, I wanted to challenge what I believed was a sweeping statement with made up stats (just disproved), rather than whether they owned a sauna. It is hypocritical however.

[T Fearon]

Few points.Clergy,of any sexual orientation,who maintain celibacy are fine.That's honouring their vows.

Gay people or for that matter heterosexuals who cannot maintain celibacy should not enter the priesthood,or if they do they should resign immediately if they cannot resist.This is regardless of how nice they are or how adept they are at pastoral work in all other areas.

The Irish News also recently highlighted a well known Belfast priest who had an affair with a woman who miscarried his baby,so they are hardly biased against gays.The same priest after a period of rehabilitation has returned to Ministry,which is fine. Maybe Rory will be able to do so too.

Of course Priests who advertise on gay websites or impregnate women are newsworthy,and thankfully so,because this activity should not be diluted to "normal behaviour".It is not acceptable.

[general_lee]

Stories like this highlight how f**king utterly stupid organised religion is and the type of cretins who believe every word written in the Bible.

[Rossfan]

Stories like this highlight how f**king utterly stupid organised religion is and the type of cretins who believe every word written in the Bible.

Very intolerant an illiberal comment.

[No wides]

Stories like this highlight how f**king utterly stupid organised religion is and the type of cretins who believe every word written in the Bible.

Very intolerant an illiberal comment.

Unlike the tolerant and liberal catholic church and it's followers?

[theskull1]

The same priest after a period of rehabilitation has returned to Ministry,which is fine. Maybe Rory will be able to do so too.

[T Fearon]

Catholic Church is tolerant,you either accept its teachings and adhere to them,or alternatively like so many here,reject them and don't bother going.Very simple,no one is forcing anyone to join and live by the teachings,but those same teachings cannot be diluted to court popularity.

[muppet]

Catholic Church is tolerant,you either accept its teachings and adhere to them,or alternatively like so many here,reject them and don't bother going.Very simple,no one is forcing anyone to join and live by the teachings,but those same teachings cannot be diluted to court popularity.

That isn't the full story Tony.

The Catholic Church, along with other churches, threaten non-followers with the rather lengthy and awkward sounding 'eternal damnation'. People are entitled to question its integrity and sources when faced with such a threat.

[No wides]

Catholic Church is tolerant,you either accept its teachings and adhere to them,or alternatively like so many here,reject them and don't bother going.Very simple,no one is forcing anyone to join and live by the teachings,but those same teachings cannot be diluted to court popularity.

How does it work then when they change their man made rules - original sin,  fish on a friday etc.

[T Fearon]

Muppet by all means question.But you must come to one of two conclusions.You either accept there is a God and end of life judgement or you don't.Its not scare mongering,if you don't believe it.But you can't be half in and half out.

[No wides]

Muppet by all means question.But you must come to one of two conclusions.You either accept there is a God and end of life judgement or you don't.Its not scare mongering,if you don't believe it.But you can't be half in and half out.

Have you a quote from god where that is decreed also.  I tell you what if threre is a judgemental god i am sure being and acting like a Christian with deeds and words rather than licking the altar rails would serve him or her better,  so an unchristian nasty person like yourself is fucked.

[muppet]

Muppet by all means question.But you must come to one of two conclusions.You either accept there is a God and end of life judgement or you don't.Its not scare mongering,if you don't believe it.But you can't be half in and half out.

It is not only scare mongering but very obviously self serving scare mongering. The Church wants us in and the Church benefits from us being in. Scare mongering is very useful and that is why we also see it in politics, for example, Brexit, Scottish Independence, Donald Trumpalism etc. Scaring people works if you need to persuade them to do something for you.

There may be a God, but there is little evidence for Him. Our ancestors historic need to have a God is not evidence.

End of life judgement seems to be really stretching things to me, but who knows. There is no evidence either way.

Eternal reward and eternal damnation are two sides of the same outdated scare mongering coin I reckon.

As for your 'you can't be half in half out' dogma, this is why you end up in such a mess on issues such as child abuse and gay priests. You think you have to be fully in and that means defending the indefensible such as silencing abused children.

[T Fearon]

Rubbish,it's the doctrine that matters not the human people.No one defends the likes of Brendan Smyth.

It's still optional to accept or reject belief in God,and if the Catholic Church were tinkering with doctrine to increase popularity then your argument would have an element of truth.

[muppet]

Rubbish,it's the doctrine that matters not the human people.No one defends the likes of Brendan Smyth.

It's still optional to accept or reject belief in God,and if the Catholic Church were tinkering with doctrine to increase popularity then your argument would have an element of truth.

Nail on the head.