Whoever scores the first goal, I definitely can't see the other team coming back.
Kinda happy that I will miss this as I will be on a plane. However 2 fantastic managers but the sad thing is instead of the winner been feted for winning the biggest prize in club football we can all see the loser being vilified for not having won a trophy with his current club.
Anyway Liverpool for me, the lesser of two evils but you can't beat tradition. Could be a classic, final score 4-2.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 09, 2019, 11:20:54 AM
Whoever scores the first goal, I definitely can't see the other team coming back.
Kinda happy that I will miss this as I will be on a plane. However 2 fantastic managers but the sad thing is instead of the winner been feted for winning the biggest prize in club football we can all see the loser being vilified for not having won a trophy with his current club.
Anyway Liverpool for me, the lesser of two evils but you can't beat tradition. Could be a classic, final score 4-2.
Interesting opening statement considering both teams got to the final by coming back.
I know what Dinny means though. Don't know the stats but would guess the team that scores first in the cl final usually wins, and finals tend to be tight affairs, with not many goals?
Whilst Liverpool have the pedigree and history.....I have a feeling that Spurs will win it......especially if a tight game. If both teams go full tilt then Liverpool 5-4😎.
Agree. I think spurs will win this.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 09, 2019, 11:25:08 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 09, 2019, 11:20:54 AM
Whoever scores the first goal, I definitely can't see the other team coming back.
Kinda happy that I will miss this as I will be on a plane. However 2 fantastic managers but the sad thing is instead of the winner been feted for winning the biggest prize in club football we can all see the loser being vilified for not having won a trophy with his current club.
Anyway Liverpool for me, the lesser of two evils but you can't beat tradition. Could be a classic, final score 4-2.
Interesting opening statement considering both teams got to the final by coming back.
Think he was being sarcastic......
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 11:55:04 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 09, 2019, 11:25:08 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 09, 2019, 11:20:54 AM
Whoever scores the first goal, I definitely can't see the other team coming back.
Kinda happy that I will miss this as I will be on a plane. However 2 fantastic managers but the sad thing is instead of the winner been feted for winning the biggest prize in club football we can all see the loser being vilified for not having won a trophy with his current club.
Anyway Liverpool for me, the lesser of two evils but you can't beat tradition. Could be a classic, final score 4-2.
Interesting opening statement considering both teams got to the final by coming back.
Think he was being sarcastic......
I do hope so.
The main question is, do Spurs bring back Harry Kane and start him in his first game in what will be two months? That's where the game will be won and lost. I don't think they need to start him. They look better going direct/long to Son.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 09, 2019, 11:20:54 AM
Whoever scores the first goal, I definitely can't see the other team coming back.
Kinda happy that I will miss this as I will be on a plane. However 2 fantastic managers but the sad thing is instead of the winner been feted for winning the biggest prize in club football we can all see the loser being vilified for not having won a trophy with his current club.
Anyway Liverpool for me, the lesser of two evils but you can't beat tradition. Could be a classic, final score 4-2.
They will only be vilified by clueless idiots.
Klopp is doing extraordinary work, no matter how the final ends up.
Poch has been hamstrung by a lack of squad depth and loss of his star striker, yet still made it through to their first Champions League final, and first European final of any kind for 25 years.
Quote from: J70 on May 09, 2019, 12:05:17 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 09, 2019, 11:20:54 AM
Whoever scores the first goal, I definitely can't see the other team coming back.
Kinda happy that I will miss this as I will be on a plane. However 2 fantastic managers but the sad thing is instead of the winner been feted for winning the biggest prize in club football we can all see the loser being vilified for not having won a trophy with his current club.
Anyway Liverpool for me, the lesser of two evils but you can't beat tradition. Could be a classic, final score 4-2.
They will only be vilified by clueless idiots.
Klopp is doing extraordinary work, no matter how the final ends up.
Poch has been hamstrung by a lack of squad depth and loss of his star striker, yet still made it through to their first Champions League final, and first European final of any kind for 25 years.
I wonder who springs to mind.... :D
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 09, 2019, 12:07:06 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 09, 2019, 12:05:17 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 09, 2019, 11:20:54 AM
Whoever scores the first goal, I definitely can't see the other team coming back.
Kinda happy that I will miss this as I will be on a plane. However 2 fantastic managers but the sad thing is instead of the winner been feted for winning the biggest prize in club football we can all see the loser being vilified for not having won a trophy with his current club.
Anyway Liverpool for me, the lesser of two evils but you can't beat tradition. Could be a classic, final score 4-2.
They will only be vilified by clueless idiots.
Klopp is doing extraordinary work, no matter how the final ends up.
Poch has been hamstrung by a lack of squad depth and loss of his star striker, yet still made it through to their first Champions League final, and first European final of any kind for 25 years.
I wonder who springs to mind.... :D
Wasn't really thinking about the likes of OTB. His troll offerings aren't worth consideration.
But there will be supposedly knowledgeable people, including in the media, who will fall back on "but he hasn't won anything" horseshit for whichever man loses.
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 11:55:04 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 09, 2019, 11:25:08 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 09, 2019, 11:20:54 AM
Whoever scores the first goal, I definitely can't see the other team coming back.
Kinda happy that I will miss this as I will be on a plane. However 2 fantastic managers but the sad thing is instead of the winner been feted for winning the biggest prize in club football we can all see the loser being vilified for not having won a trophy with his current club.
Anyway Liverpool for me, the lesser of two evils but you can't beat tradition. Could be a classic, final score 4-2.
Interesting opening statement considering both teams got to the final by coming back.
Think he was being sarcastic......
;)
What happened to "whoever comes through the Barca- Liverpool semi are red hot favourites"
Maybe conventional wisdom is out the window now it's Lfc-spurs but I would be gutted if Liverpool lost this and very surprised.
Its a 50:50 game as long as Kane is fit but can see why the bookies have made Liverpool strong favourites, delighted Spurs won as Liverpool would have had far too much for Ajax.
If Kane doesn't start I don't think he'd go with Llorente, there's no chance he'll bully Van Dijk & Matip the way he did with Blind.
Quote from: J70 on May 09, 2019, 12:09:53 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 09, 2019, 12:07:06 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 09, 2019, 12:05:17 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 09, 2019, 11:20:54 AM
Whoever scores the first goal, I definitely can't see the other team coming back.
Kinda happy that I will miss this as I will be on a plane. However 2 fantastic managers but the sad thing is instead of the winner been feted for winning the biggest prize in club football we can all see the loser being vilified for not having won a trophy with his current club.
Anyway Liverpool for me, the lesser of two evils but you can't beat tradition. Could be a classic, final score 4-2.
They will only be vilified by clueless idiots.
Klopp is doing extraordinary work, no matter how the final ends up.
Poch has been hamstrung by a lack of squad depth and loss of his star striker, yet still made it through to their first Champions League final, and first European final of any kind for 25 years.
I wonder who springs to mind.... :D
Wasn't really thinking about the likes of OTB. His troll offerings aren't worth consideration.
But there will be supposedly knowledgeable people, including in the media, who will fall back on "but he hasn't won anything" horseshit for whichever man loses.
Yep that's exactly the point, the journey the Liverpool and Spurs fans have been on under these two brilliant managers has been amazing. Yet people and knowledgable people at that will only look at the trophy count, the barometer of success in sport should not only be about trophies. Wolves another club who have had a fantastic season.
What a super 2 night's entertainment we just had. I suspect that the final wont live up to that same standard but sure here's hoping.
Kane looks like he will play a part of some sort. That might be harsh on Llorente though as I believe he played a massive part in turning that semi final around.
Will Salah and Firmino miss it?
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2019, 12:37:49 PM
What a super 2 night's entertainment we just had. I suspect that the final wont live up to that same standard but sure here's hoping.
Kane looks like he will play a part of some sort. That might be harsh on Llorente though as I believe he played a massive part in turning that semi final around.
Will Salah and Firmino miss it?
Salah should be ok, dunno about Bobby. Hopefully Robertson is fit also though Milner would be ok cover for him.
Big occasion with these two in the final. Both managers have done an amazing job getting there especially considering how the semi finals of both panned out.
Toss of a coin on who wins and it will be very tough on who ever looses.
I think Kane should start on the bench even if fit and brought on if and when needed.
Liverpool will come out all guns blazing and take a 2 nill score at halftime, after that who knows! Hopefully it wont be like that last all Premiership CL final
Quote from: J70 on May 09, 2019, 12:09:53 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 09, 2019, 12:07:06 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 09, 2019, 12:05:17 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 09, 2019, 11:20:54 AM
Whoever scores the first goal, I definitely can't see the other team coming back.
Kinda happy that I will miss this as I will be on a plane. However 2 fantastic managers but the sad thing is instead of the winner been feted for winning the biggest prize in club football we can all see the loser being vilified for not having won a trophy with his current club.
Anyway Liverpool for me, the lesser of two evils but you can't beat tradition. Could be a classic, final score 4-2.
They will only be vilified by clueless idiots.
Klopp is doing extraordinary work, no matter how the final ends up.
Poch has been hamstrung by a lack of squad depth and loss of his star striker, yet still made it through to their first Champions League final, and first European final of any kind for 25 years.
I wonder who springs to mind.... :D
Wasn't really thinking about the likes of OTB. His troll offerings aren't worth consideration.
But there will be supposedly knowledgeable people, including in the media, who will fall back on "but he hasn't won anything" horseshit for whichever man loses.
Tim Sherwood springs to mind!
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2019, 12:37:49 PM
What a super 2 night's entertainment we just had. I suspect that the final wont live up to that same standard but sure here's hoping.
Kane looks like he will play a part of some sort. That might be harsh on Llorente though as I believe he played a massive part in turning that semi final around.
Will Salah and Firmino miss it?
Semi finals are usually far better .
It's great to Ronaldo won't be playing
I'll be shouting for Spurs. Makes up for ONeill shouting for Liverpool.
All Arsenal supporters will be hoping that Spurs lose this final. Will be hard to believe it if Spurs pick up old big ears while Arsenal with some great players and teams down the years never won it.
Their run to the final reminds me of Liverpool in 2005 who lost a similar amount of games in the league, just about got out of the group and had a bit of luck along the way to reach the final. All logic points to a Liverpool win on June 1st. They have a better manager,defence and forward line but maybe just maybe this years Champions league campaign has one last unexpected outcome?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 09, 2019, 05:01:25 PM
All Arsenal supporters will be hoping that Spurs lose this final. Will be hard to believe it if Spurs pick up old big ears while Arsenal with some great players and teams down the years never won it.
Their run to the final reminds me of Liverpool in 2005 who lost a similar amount of games in the league, just about got out of the group and had a bit of luck along the way to reach the final. All logic points to a Liverpool win on June 1st. They have a better manager,defence and forward line but maybe just maybe this years Champions league campaign has one last unexpected outcome?
If football followed logic, Barca and Ajax would be playing on June 1st?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 09, 2019, 05:01:25 PM
All Arsenal supporters will be hoping that Spurs lose this final. Will be hard to believe it if Spurs pick up old big ears while Arsenal with some great players and teams down the years never won it.
Their run to the final reminds me of Liverpool in 2005 who lost a similar amount of games in the league, just about got out of the group and had a bit of luck along the way to reach the final. All logic points to a Liverpool win on June 1st. They have a better manager,defence and forward line but maybe just maybe this years Champions league campaign has one last unexpected outcome?
What luck had Liverpool along the way to the 2005 final?
Beat Leverkusen 6-2 on agg, were cruising against Juve in the 1/4 Final until Scott Carson made a balls of it and allowed them to score, went to Turin and played heroically to get a 0- 0 result,then held Chelsea scoreless for 2 games to reach the final.
No luck involved.
Saw on Twitter there's a strong correlation between World Cup Golden Boot winners and their club team winning a trophy the next season. Lucky stat for Harry Kane & Tottenham.
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 05:17:47 PM
What luck had Liverpool along the way to the 2005 final?
Ghost goal v Chelsea. What looked like a good goal from Del Piero ruled out for offside v Juve.
Quote from: Boycey on May 09, 2019, 05:13:17 PM
If football followed logic, Barca and Ajax would be playing on June 1st?
Which is why i said maybe another unexpected twist will happen.
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 05:17:47 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 09, 2019, 05:01:25 PM
All Arsenal supporters will be hoping that Spurs lose this final. Will be hard to believe it if Spurs pick up old big ears while Arsenal with some great players and teams down the years never won it.
Their run to the final reminds me of Liverpool in 2005 who lost a similar amount of games in the league, just about got out of the group and had a bit of luck along the way to reach the final. All logic points to a Liverpool win on June 1st. They have a better manager,defence and forward line but maybe just maybe this years Champions league campaign has one last unexpected outcome?
What luck had Liverpool along the way to the 2005 final?
Beat Leverkusen 6-2 on agg, were cruising against Juve in the 1/4 Final until Scott Carson made a balls of it and allowed them to score, went to Turin and played heroically to get a 0- 0 result,then held Chelsea scoreless for 2 games to reach the final.
No luck involved.
We were lucky Rafa decided to bring on Didi Hamann in the final for the second half :P
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 09, 2019, 05:37:33 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 05:17:47 PM
What luck had Liverpool along the way to the 2005 final?
Ghost goal v Chelsea. What looked like a good goal from Del Piero ruled out for offside v Juve.
Quote from: Boycey on May 09, 2019, 05:13:17 PM
If football followed logic, Barca and Ajax would be playing on June 1st?
Which is why i said maybe another unexpected twist will happen.
Teams always get a bit of luck here and there on the way to a final.
Will Pochettino go after the final? He hinted lately he'd quit if they won the CL. I reckon he will.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 09, 2019, 05:37:33 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 05:17:47 PM
What luck had Liverpool along the way to the 2005 final?
Ghost goal v Chelsea. What looked like a good goal from Del Piero ruled out for offside v Juve.
Quote from: Boycey on May 09, 2019, 05:13:17 PM
If football followed logic, Barca and Ajax would be playing on June 1st?
Which is why i said maybe another unexpected twist will happen.
What Ghost goal? The one that was over the line? The same one that the Ref later said he would have given Liverpool a penalty and sent off Cech if it wasn't awarded.?
Quote from: Armamike on May 09, 2019, 05:39:15 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 09, 2019, 05:37:33 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 05:17:47 PM
What luck had Liverpool along the way to the 2005 final?
Ghost goal v Chelsea. What looked like a good goal from Del Piero ruled out for offside v Juve.
Quote from: Boycey on May 09, 2019, 05:13:17 PM
If football followed logic, Barca and Ajax would be playing on June 1st?
Which is why i said maybe another unexpected twist will happen.
Teams always get a bit of luck here and there on the way to a final.
And in a final.
United did in 99, 08. Liverpool in 05, and the luck was hanging out of Chelsea in 12.
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 05:43:28 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 09, 2019, 05:37:33 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 05:17:47 PM
What luck had Liverpool along the way to the 2005 final?
Ghost goal v Chelsea. What looked like a good goal from Del Piero ruled out for offside v Juve.
Quote from: Boycey on May 09, 2019, 05:13:17 PM
If football followed logic, Barca and Ajax would be playing on June 1st?
Which is why i said maybe another unexpected twist will happen.
What Ghost goal? The one that was over the line? The same one that the Ref later said he would have given Liverpool a penalty and sent off Cech if it wasn't awarded.?
There was no luck involved getting to that final. Liverpool were in it and won it on merit.
One of the most famous ever ghost goals that another ref would have waved play on. Have you ignored the bit of luck v Juve in a tie that finished 2-1? nothing wrong with getting the rub of green along the way it's normally a key key ingredient for the majority of teams that wins cups competitions.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 09, 2019, 05:54:27 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 05:43:28 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 09, 2019, 05:37:33 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 05:17:47 PM
What luck had Liverpool along the way to the 2005 final?
Ghost goal v Chelsea. What looked like a good goal from Del Piero ruled out for offside v Juve.
Quote from: Boycey on May 09, 2019, 05:13:17 PM
If football followed logic, Barca and Ajax would be playing on June 1st?
Which is why i said maybe another unexpected twist will happen.
What Ghost goal? The one that was over the line? The same one that the Ref later said he would have given Liverpool a penalty and sent off Cech if it wasn't awarded.?
There was no luck involved getting to that final. Liverpool were in it and won it on merit.
One of the most famous ever ghost goals that another ref would have waved play on. Have you ignored the bit of luck v Juve in a tie that finished 2-1? nothing wrong with getting the rub of green along the way it's normally a key key ingredient for the majority of teams that wins cups competitions.
How do you know another ref would have waved play on?
The only ref that matters is the ref that was that night..and he said this.
Slovakian Michel, 40, speaks English - along with Russian, German and Polish - was in charge for the Champions League semi-final at Anfield three years ago when he judged that Luis Garcia's effort for Liverpool had crossed the line.
Mourinho dubbed it both the 'ghost goal' and 'goal from the moon' as Chelsea were beaten.
Michel, though, has since said: "If
my assistant referee had not signalled a goal, I would have given a penalty and sent off goalkeeper Petr Cech."No luck involved in that game.
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 05:58:52 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 09, 2019, 05:54:27 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 05:43:28 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 09, 2019, 05:37:33 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 05:17:47 PM
What luck had Liverpool along the way to the 2005 final?
Ghost goal v Chelsea. What looked like a good goal from Del Piero ruled out for offside v Juve.
Quote from: Boycey on May 09, 2019, 05:13:17 PM
If football followed logic, Barca and Ajax would be playing on June 1st?
Which is why i said maybe another unexpected twist will happen.
What Ghost goal? The one that was over the line? The same one that the Ref later said he would have given Liverpool a penalty and sent off Cech if it wasn't awarded.?
There was no luck involved getting to that final. Liverpool were in it and won it on merit.
One of the most famous ever ghost goals that another ref would have waved play on. Have you ignored the bit of luck v Juve in a tie that finished 2-1? nothing wrong with getting the rub of green along the way it's normally a key key ingredient for the majority of teams that wins cups competitions.
How do you know another ref would have waved play on?
The only ref that matters is the ref that was that night..and he said this.
Slovakian Michel, 40, speaks English - along with Russian, German and Polish - was in charge for the Champions League semi-final at Anfield three years ago when he judged that Luis Garcia's effort for Liverpool had crossed the line.
Mourinho dubbed it both the 'ghost goal' and 'goal from the moon' as Chelsea were beaten.
Michel, though, has since said: "If my assistant referee had not signalled a goal, I would have given a penalty and sent off goalkeeper Petr Cech."
No luck involved in that game.
Refs don't like saying they were wrong and will cover it up as best they can afterwards. Anyway like you said Liverpool earned the win held a very good Chelsea team scoreless over both legs.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 09, 2019, 06:03:02 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 05:58:52 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 09, 2019, 05:54:27 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 05:43:28 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 09, 2019, 05:37:33 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 05:17:47 PM
What luck had Liverpool along the way to the 2005 final?
Ghost goal v Chelsea. What looked like a good goal from Del Piero ruled out for offside v Juve.
Quote from: Boycey on May 09, 2019, 05:13:17 PM
If football followed logic, Barca and Ajax would be playing on June 1st?
Which is why i said maybe another unexpected twist will happen.
What Ghost goal? The one that was over the line? The same one that the Ref later said he would have given Liverpool a penalty and sent off Cech if it wasn't awarded.?
There was no luck involved getting to that final. Liverpool were in it and won it on merit.
One of the most famous ever ghost goals that another ref would have waved play on. Have you ignored the bit of luck v Juve in a tie that finished 2-1? nothing wrong with getting the rub of green along the way it's normally a key key ingredient for the majority of teams that wins cups competitions.
How do you know another ref would have waved play on?
The only ref that matters is the ref that was that night..and he said this.
Slovakian Michel, 40, speaks English - along with Russian, German and Polish - was in charge for the Champions League semi-final at Anfield three years ago when he judged that Luis Garcia's effort for Liverpool had crossed the line.
Mourinho dubbed it both the 'ghost goal' and 'goal from the moon' as Chelsea were beaten.
Michel, though, has since said: "If my assistant referee had not signalled a goal, I would have given a penalty and sent off goalkeeper Petr Cech."
No luck involved in that game.
Refs don't like saying they were wrong and will cover it up as best they can afterwards. Anyway like you said Liverpool earned the win held a very good Chelsea team scoreless over both legs.
Are you suggesting the red card for Cech and a penalty would NOT have been given and warranted?
Quote from: Aaron Boone on May 09, 2019, 05:19:27 PM
Saw on Twitter there's a strong correlation between World Cup Golden Boot winners and their club team winning a trophy the next season. Lucky stat for Harry Kane & Tottenham.
Oleg salenko would beg to disagree
Quote from: Aughafad on May 09, 2019, 06:34:45 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on May 09, 2019, 05:19:27 PM
Saw on Twitter there's a strong correlation between World Cup Golden Boot winners and their club team winning a trophy the next season. Lucky stat for Harry Kane & Tottenham.
Oleg salenko would beg to disagree
The 1994 WC were his only career international goals
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/09/the-joy-is-tainted-liverpool-and-tottenham-fans-face-high-price-for-success
Liverpool be way too strong for them.
While Liverpool have beaten Spurs twice in the league this season, they haven't looked like they were far too strong for Spurs in either game. The own-goal at Anfield was the difference, and at Wembley, Spurs had a decent shout for a penalty when Son went down, at 2-1. Of course, ifs and buts as far as the results go, but Spurs can certainly feel they're strong enough to win, or at least draw and see what happens in a penalty shoot out.
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 05:58:52 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 09, 2019, 05:54:27 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 05:43:28 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 09, 2019, 05:37:33 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 05:17:47 PM
What luck had Liverpool along the way to the 2005 final?
Ghost goal v Chelsea. What looked like a good goal from Del Piero ruled out for offside v Juve.
Quote from: Boycey on May 09, 2019, 05:13:17 PM
If football followed logic, Barca and Ajax would be playing on June 1st?
Which is why i said maybe another unexpected twist will happen.
What Ghost goal? The one that was over the line? The same one that the Ref later said he would have given Liverpool a penalty and sent off Cech if it wasn't awarded.?
There was no luck involved getting to that final. Liverpool were in it and won it on merit.
One of the most famous ever ghost goals that another ref would have waved play on. Have you ignored the bit of luck v Juve in a tie that finished 2-1? nothing wrong with getting the rub of green along the way it's normally a key key ingredient for the majority of teams that wins cups competitions.
How do you know another ref would have waved play on?
The only ref that matters is the ref that was that night..and he said this.
Slovakian Michel, 40, speaks English - along with Russian, German and Polish - was in charge for the Champions League semi-final at Anfield three years ago when he judged that Luis Garcia's effort for Liverpool had crossed the line.
Mourinho dubbed it both the 'ghost goal' and 'goal from the moon' as Chelsea were beaten.
Michel, though, has since said: "If my assistant referee had not signalled a goal, I would have given a penalty and sent off goalkeeper Petr Cech."
No luck involved in that game.
Lol! Just listen to yerself, ye tube!! ;D ;D
Quote from: J70 on May 09, 2019, 12:05:17 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 09, 2019, 11:20:54 AM
Whoever scores the first goal, I definitely can't see the other team coming back.
Kinda happy that I will miss this as I will be on a plane. However 2 fantastic managers but the sad thing is instead of the winner been feted for winning the biggest prize in club football we can all see the loser being vilified for not having won a trophy with his current club.
Anyway Liverpool for me, the lesser of two evils but you can't beat tradition. Could be a classic, final score 4-2.
They will only be vilified by clueless idiots.
Klopp is doing extraordinary work, no matter how the final ends up.
Poch has been hamstrung by a lack of squad depth and loss of his star striker, yet still made it through to their first Champions League final, and first European final of any kind for 25 years.
35 years actually. Barely seen European competition between 1985 and 2006 at all.
While Liverpool will rightly be favourites there is a certain name on the trophy feel about Tottenham's CL run. Four times they were on the brink of elimination. A late winner v PSV, Moura's late equaliser at the Nou Camp. The VAR goal that was and the VAR goal that wasn't at City and another late Moura goal at Ajax. Sissoko will probably score the winner in the final now!
Potentially 90+ minutes away from being Champions of Europe. f**king hell.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 09, 2019, 08:38:04 PM
While Liverpool have beaten Spurs twice in the league this season, they haven't looked like they were far too strong for Spurs in either game. The own-goal at Anfield was the difference, and at Wembley, Spurs had a decent shout for a penalty when Son went down, at 2-1. Of course, ifs and buts as far as the results go, but Spurs can certainly feel they're strong enough to win, or at least draw and see what happens in a penalty shoot out.
Liverpool were three or four goals better than Spurs at Wembley. Completely one-sided game. The late, late goal and missed penalty doesn't change that. Can't remember, but Spurs might have had a couple missing. Anfield game, Spurs were superb second half and could have won it.
50/50 game in the final.
Quote from: J70 on May 10, 2019, 11:10:13 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 09, 2019, 08:38:04 PM
While Liverpool have beaten Spurs twice in the league this season, they haven't looked like they were far too strong for Spurs in either game. The own-goal at Anfield was the difference, and at Wembley, Spurs had a decent shout for a penalty when Son went down, at 2-1. Of course, ifs and buts as far as the results go, but Spurs can certainly feel they're strong enough to win, or at least draw and see what happens in a penalty shoot out.
Liverpool were three or four goals better than Spurs at Wembley. Completely one-sided game. The late, late goal and missed penalty doesn't change that. Can't remember, but Spurs might have had a couple missing. Anfield game, Spurs were superb second half and could have won it.
50/50 game in the final.
Lloris was out for that one and Vorm was arguably at fault for both goals conceded. It was a deserved win though.
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While Liverpool have beaten Spurs twice in the league this season, they haven't looked like they were far too strong for Spurs in either game. The own-goal at Anfield was the difference, and at Wembley, Spurs had a decent shout for a penalty when Son went down, at 2-1. Of course, ifs and buts as far as the results go, but Spurs can certainly feel they're strong enough to win, or at least draw and see what happens in a penalty shoot out.
Liverpool were three or four goals better than Spurs at Wembley. Completely one-sided game. The late, late goal and missed penalty doesn't change that. Can't remember, but Spurs might have had a couple missing. Anfield game, Spurs were superb second half and could have won it.
50/50 game in the final.
Liverpool were the better team at Wembley for sure, but Spurs were still well in the game at the end, and could have nicked a draw. And that would be all they need to do in the CL final. I wouldn't put it quite at 50/50, more 60/40 in Liverpool's favor, but you never know...
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What luck had Liverpool along the way to the 2005 final?
Ghost goal v Chelsea. What looked like a good goal from Del Piero ruled out for offside v Juve.
Quote from: Boycey on May 09, 2019, 05:13:17 PM
If football followed logic, Barca and Ajax would be playing on June 1st?
Which is why i said maybe another unexpected twist will happen.
Teams always get a bit of luck here and there on the way to a final.
And in a final.
United did in 99, 08. Liverpool in 05, and the luck was hanging out of Chelsea in 12.
It should be pointed out, they came from behind in the Nou Camp with 10 men to get to the final. They were smashed also by Napoli in that year and came back too I think maybe in first knockout round.
The final probably correct but they deserved to be there on that occasion.
That's the beauty of the Cup Competition - you need luck to get into the position to win, now both Liverpool and Tottenham have made their own luck.
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What luck had Liverpool along the way to the 2005 final?
Ghost goal v Chelsea. What looked like a good goal from Del Piero ruled out for offside v Juve.
Quote from: Boycey on May 09, 2019, 05:13:17 PM
If football followed logic, Barca and Ajax would be playing on June 1st?
Which is why i said maybe another unexpected twist will happen.
Teams always get a bit of luck here and there on the way to a final.
And in a final.
United did in 99, 08. Liverpool in 05, and the luck was hanging out of Chelsea in 12.
It should be pointed out, they came from behind in the Nou Camp with 10 men to get to the final. They were smashed also by Napoli in that year and came back too I think maybe in first knockout round.
The final probably correct but they deserved to be there on that occasion.
That's the beauty of the Cup Competition - you need luck to get into the position to win, now both Liverpool and Tottenham have made their own luck.
They got to and won the final because of Drogba and Torres. They could defend with 9/10 men men and lump it up to them to feed off scraps. Ugly but it worked. Wish now United had tried that tactic v Barca in 2009 and 2011! ;D
Is there a trophy for the runners-up?
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What luck had Liverpool along the way to the 2005 final?
Ghost goal v Chelsea. What looked like a good goal from Del Piero ruled out for offside v Juve.
Quote from: Boycey on May 09, 2019, 05:13:17 PM
If football followed logic, Barca and Ajax would be playing on June 1st?
Which is why i said maybe another unexpected twist will happen.
Teams always get a bit of luck here and there on the way to a final.
And in a final.
United did in 99, 08. Liverpool in 05, and the luck was hanging out of Chelsea in 12.
It should be pointed out, they came from behind in the Nou Camp with 10 men to get to the final. They were smashed also by Napoli in that year and came back too I think maybe in first knockout round.
The final probably correct but they deserved to be there on that occasion.
That's the beauty of the Cup Competition - you need luck to get into the position to win, now both Liverpool and Tottenham have made their own luck.
Napoli win similar to United v PSG - feel good factor from a new manager.
Chelsea very lucky at home v Barca. A breakaway goal in Nou Camp. Messi miss penalty. Even at 2-1 Chelsea we're going through. Torres goal at end when Barca stretched.
Didn't Robben miss a pen in final too?
I remember when Messi missed that penalty. I thought, that's it, it's Chelsea trophy. Even with half the team suspended for final.
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 09, 2019, 05:37:33 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 05:17:47 PM
What luck had Liverpool along the way to the 2005 final?
Ghost goal v Chelsea. What looked like a good goal from Del Piero ruled out for offside v Juve.
Quote from: Boycey on May 09, 2019, 05:13:17 PM
If football followed logic, Barca and Ajax would be playing on June 1st?
Which is why i said maybe another unexpected twist will happen.
Teams always get a bit of luck here and there on the way to a final.
And in a final.
United did in 99, 08. Liverpool in 05, and the luck was hanging out of Chelsea in 12.
It should be pointed out, they came from behind in the Nou Camp with 10 men to get to the final. They were smashed also by Napoli in that year and came back too I think maybe in first knockout round.
The final probably correct but they deserved to be there on that occasion.
That's the beauty of the Cup Competition - you need luck to get into the position to win, now both Liverpool and Tottenham have made their own luck.
They got to and won the final because of Drogba and Torres. They could defend with 9/10 men men and lump it up to them to feed off scraps. Ugly but it worked. Wish now United had tried that tactic v Barca in 2009 and 2011! ;D
Who were they going to lump it up to?
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 09, 2019, 05:37:33 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 09, 2019, 05:17:47 PM
What luck had Liverpool along the way to the 2005 final?
Ghost goal v Chelsea. What looked like a good goal from Del Piero ruled out for offside v Juve.
Quote from: Boycey on May 09, 2019, 05:13:17 PM
If football followed logic, Barca and Ajax would be playing on June 1st?
Which is why i said maybe another unexpected twist will happen.
Teams always get a bit of luck here and there on the way to a final.
And in a final.
United did in 99, 08. Liverpool in 05, and the luck was hanging out of Chelsea in 12.
It should be pointed out, they came from behind in the Nou Camp with 10 men to get to the final. They were smashed also by Napoli in that year and came back too I think maybe in first knockout round.
The final probably correct but they deserved to be there on that occasion.
That's the beauty of the Cup Competition - you need luck to get into the position to win, now both Liverpool and Tottenham have made their own luck.
Napoli win similar to United v PSG - feel good factor from a new manager.
Chelsea very lucky at home v Barca. A breakaway goal in Nou Camp. Messi miss penalty. Even at 2-1 Chelsea we're going through. Torres goal at end when Barca stretched.
Didn't Robben miss a pen in final too?
I remember when Messi missed that penalty. I thought, that's it, it's Chelsea trophy. Even with half the team suspended for final.
Missed in ET.
Chelsea had the luck in 2012 but they were due it.
2004- Monaco hand ball goal in SF.
2008- On top in final. Ferdinand shpuld've been red card and maybe penalty.
2009- Just completely robbed in SF v Barce.
That's just off the top of my head!
What did Rio do in 08?
Quote from: BennyCake on May 13, 2019, 04:05:17 PM
What did Rio do in 08?
High foot/ head high tackle on Joe Cole. There was no replay of it on the night but there was a few angles of it on social media after it. YouTube maybe.
I actually noticed it live.
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Quote from: BennyCake on May 13, 2019, 04:05:17 PM
What did Rio do in 08?
High foot/ head high tackle on Joe Cole. There was no replay of it on the night but there was a few angles of it on social media after it. YouTube maybe.
I actually noticed it live.
Booting a lazy fat cnut like Joe Cole should be commended rather than penalised! ;)
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Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 13, 2019, 06:10:18 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 13, 2019, 04:05:17 PM
What did Rio do in 08?
High foot/ head high tackle on Joe Cole. There was no replay of it on the night but there was a few angles of it on social media after it. YouTube maybe.
I actually noticed it live.
Booting a lazy fat cnut like Joe Cole should be commended rather than penalised! ;)
Smokey Joe! I feel a bit dirty here as I actually agree with Over the Bar....