British State Collusion

[grounded]

Remember this case at the time.. there are no words to the embarrassing attempts to hide their actions or inability to conduct a proper fair investigation..

Feeling angry after ready that

' just a few bad apples '

[grounded]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63908301

Still at it, always were.

[Never beat the deeler]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63908301

Still at it, always were.

Is there a more rotten organisation in the world?

[Armagh18]

Did anyone catch the documentary on TG4 last night? Missed it myself, must try to watch it on the player.

[Main Street]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63908301

Still at it, always were.

Is there a more rotten organisation in the world?

Special Armed Sadists.

[LC]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63908301

Still at it, always were.

Is there a more rotten organisation in the world?

Special Armed Sadists.

Agree 100% and were used in a brutal way throughout the troubles.  A number of years ago I read a great book called The SAS In Ireland by Raymond Murray which gave a great insight regarding their involvement in a number of operations ranging including Loughall, Clonoe, Coagh, Drumnakilly etc.  A lot of information regarding the victims / IRA members in terms of who they were as individuals, their backgrounds, families etc.  While the SAS and whoever was directing them were completely over the top in terms of their actions to me the most tragic thing was how did SAS / RUC know those guys would be in a certain place at a certain time.  It was not strangers who 'grassed them up' but probably a friend, neighbour, work colleague or wore again a 'comrade' and what for ......30 pieces of silver.  Same individuals were no doubt front and centre at the wakes / funerals and probably telling the elderly parents that there son was a great patriot dying for his country.  The fact that such people could live not only with themselves but within their community is sickening, back then they would have know fine rightly by passing on such information there was probably going to be only one conclusion. 

[Milltown Row2]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63908301

Still at it, always were.

Is there a more rotten organisation in the world?

Special Armed Sadists.

Agree 100% and were used in a brutal way throughout the troubles.  A number of years ago I read a great book called The SAS In Ireland by Raymond Murray which gave a great insight regarding their involvement in a number of operations ranging including Loughall, Clonoe, Coagh, Drumnakilly etc.  A lot of information regarding the victims / IRA members in terms of who they were as individuals, their backgrounds, families etc.  While the SAS and whoever was directing them were completely over the top in terms of their actions to me the most tragic thing was how did SAS / RUC know those guys would be in a certain place at a certain time.  It was not strangers who 'grassed them up' but probably a friend, neighbour, work colleague or wore again a 'comrade' and what for ......30 pieces of silver.  Same individuals were no doubt front and centre at the wakes / funerals and probably telling the elderly parents that there son was a great patriot dying for his country.  The fact that such people could live not only with themselves but within their community is sickening, back then they would have know fine rightly by passing on such information there was probably going to be only one conclusion.

These 'touts' were brutalised physically and mentally, the mental pressure that was put on them would have taken a toll. They certainly didn't do it for the money, the first press would have been life without parole, your kids going into care, putting other loved ones away. You simply can not say it was for money..

Fear would make you do a lot of things, not everyone would have the mental strength you have

I suppose its an unwritten part of history, I doubt that a you'll get an honest approach from it either, but if it was done honestly, it would give you some insight

[general_lee]

It's alleged one of the IRA members killed at Loughgall was a Brussel sprout. Any IRA volunteer would have known the dangers of informers in the ranks. an unfortunate part of the dirty war. Was it Denis Bradley that said if the full truth came out we would be able to deal with it? An almost scary thought.

[LC]

It's alleged one of the IRA members killed at Loughgall was a Brussel sprout. Any IRA volunteer would have known the dangers of informers in the ranks. an unfortunate part of the dirty war. Was it Denis Bradley that said if the full truth came out we would be able to deal with it? An almost scary thought.

In the weeks after Loughgall a high profile RUC officer was killed in an ambush when returning from a meeting in Dundalk. It was alleged in a newspaper article a few years later that the East Tyrone brigade had given clear instructions that the police officers were to be kidnapped so that the identity of those who had informed on the Loughgall attack could be established.  Such orders were not followed and it was stated in the article there was an agenda behind this.

[Milltown Row2]

Is that the killing that was linked to the Garda?

[LC]

I believe so.

[Jim Bob]

It's alleged one of the IRA members killed at Loughgall was a Brussel sprout. Any IRA volunteer would have known the dangers of informers in the ranks. an unfortunate part of the dirty war. Was it Denis Bradley that said if the full truth came out we would be able to deal with it? An almost scary thought.

In the weeks after Loughgall a high profile RUC officer was killed in an ambush when returning from a meeting in Dundalk. It was alleged in a newspaper article a few years later that the East Tyrone brigade had given clear instructions that the police officers were to be kidnapped so that the identity of those who had informed on the Loughgall attack could be established.  Such orders were not followed and it was stated in the article there was an agenda behind this.

Was 2 years after Loughgall not weeks !

[Snapchap]

The Police Ombusdman report released today into the murder of Cllr Patsy Kelly from Trillick, Co. Tyrone in 1974 has found "collusive behaviour" on the part of the RUC investigation team. The details can be read here: https://www.policeombudsman.org/Media-Releases/2023/Patrick-Kelly%E2%80%99s-Family-%E2%80%98Failed-By-Police%E2%80%99

For anyone unfamiliar with the case, Patsy was kidnapped from his car, shot dead and had a 56lb weight tied to his body which was then thrown into a lake. It was locally known from the outset that he was murdered by members of a British Army (UDR) patrol, one of whom was widely suspected locally as having been the late DUP MLA Oliver Gibson. In 1999, another UDR man, David Jordan, broke down in a bar and confessed his involvement in the murder. He also implicated four other members of the murder gang, all of whom were members of the UDR, and one of whom he named as Oliver Gibson, claiming that it was Gibson who pulled the trigger. Gibson was eventually named in the Sunday Business Post as a chief suspect.

Taken from an archive report from October 1999, Ireland On Sunday:

Former UDR Soldier Who Witnessed Kelly Killing Dies Suddenly:
"David Jordan told how he was in the back of a van with other UDR men when the killing took place.
Jordan's head went down & he started to cry. He hit the table with his fist and said "poor Patsy, I was there the night he was killed". Jordan then named a leading unionist politician who he said pulled the trigger. Jordan said: "X did the shooting. He shot him at least two times and each time he shot him I saw Patsy's body jumping". He also named at least four other members of the murder gang, all members of the British Army's UDR, with one in plain clothes.
The Patsy Kelly killing has been compared to a southern United States-style 'lynching' in that he was active politically and was apparently killed to remove his influence from the local scene.
Kelly is still much talked of in West Tyrone. As thousands searched for him, a local newspaper recorded: No man could have a greater tribute paid to him and no man more richly deserved that tribute."

The bones of the findings in today's report are that:

• Although 20 UDR members were interviewed or had witness statements recorded to establish their movements on the night of the abduction, the majority of the alibis provided were not checked.
• There was a failure by the RUC to consider linkages between Patsy's murder and precursor events
• The RUC failed to make enquiries about footwear marks recovered from the site of Mr Kelly's abduction (footwear whicThere was no indication in the investigation papers that the owner of the boat was ever identified or interviewed by police.
• There exists no record of any enquiries relating to the origins of the 56-pound weight which was tied by a rope to Patsy's body nor to fingerprints found on his car
• No attempt was made to link UDR issue boot prints from the scene with UDR members considered to be relevant to the investigation
• An anonymous letter received by a military commander in Omagh and which named four UDR members as having been involved in the murder was neither secured or forensically examined
• The senior investigating officer in charge of the murder investigation discounted the possibility of UDR involvement despite UDR footprints at the scene and despite his failure to test alibi accounts of UDR members with corroborating witnesses
• Within a year of the murder, RUC special branch was in possession of intelligence which actually named the UDR members who were involved AND identified the person who had stolen the 56-pound weight. Special Branch did not pass this information to the investigating team.

[Rossfan]

Obviously more than 1 Glenanne gang!

[LC]

That would seem to be  a terrible event made worse further by the cover up thereafter.

Digressing slightly but I see a mucker of Stakeknife's has skipped the country......another die hard republican showing his true colours.  Feel sorry for all the families in this country who lost sons and brothers who were in the IRA.  No way condoning their actions but they believed they were fighting for a cause.  Stakeknife and his cronies had their own cause it would seem.