British State Collusion

[cadhlancian]

Read it a few months back. I suppose it was nothing that we didn't already know, but nonetheless still harrowing to read the depth of hatred that existed in certain unionists in an area that I grew up in. I'd imagine that's only the tip of the iceberg.

[lynchbhoy]

It's the only thing you could find to post about on this thread.

Playing the man here hardy?

wtf?

He might be a bit extreme in his point- but unfortunately he's kind of correct.
IMO it's still the case! C'est la vie, but why attack the man?( fox)

[lynchbhoy]

I just read Lethal Allies by Ann Cadwallader about collusion between Loyalists paramilitaries and the RUC/UDR in the 70's in mid Ulster and it is shocking stuff. I didn't know about this as was only born around that time. Serving RUC and UDR members took part in gun and bomb attacks on many innocent Catholics in the area and this gang based around Tyrone and Armagh were responsible for up to 120 deaths including Dublin and Monaghan bombings. The heads of the gang were tipped off about security force activity and were able to freely organise terrorism mainly based from two farms in Armagh. Weapons were passed between  UDR/RUC and terrorists and in one case a 4 man RUC unit attacked a country bar in Armagh while on duty wearing overalls over the uniforms. A man who was shot outside recognised the boots as police boots when lying injured on the ground.  3 of them got suspended sentences from the judge then. Anyone else read this book?

Read 'the committee' by Sean mcphilemy - though it's prob more of the same

Why are people so surprised?
Also sad as it may be, it was a war so you can't expect tribunals - though I suppose there is a case for those who were innocents killed by the colluding state lead unionist/loyalist death squads

[Hardy]

It's the only thing you could find to post about on this thread.

Playing the man here hardy?

wtf?

He might be a bit extreme in his point- but unfortunately he's kind of correct.
IMO it's still the case! C'est la vie, but why attack the man?( fox)

Play the man? Attack? If you call than an attack, you can't have lasted too long on the football pitches of Meath.

[lynchbhoy]

It's the only thing you could find to post about on this thread.

Playing the man here hardy?

wtf?

He might be a bit extreme in his point- but unfortunately he's kind of correct.
IMO it's still the case! C'est la vie, but why attack the man?( fox)

Play the man? Attack? If you call than an attack, you can't have lasted too long on the football pitches of Meath.

Playing the man nonetheless!!


No prob on the pitches of Meath to be honest!!

Just had to be careful of the sneaky attacks from behind!

But no prob dealing with them all as I said.

Pity I was supposed to be playing football though!

[cadhlancian]

I just read Lethal Allies by Ann Cadwallader about collusion between Loyalists paramilitaries and the RUC/UDR in the 70's in mid Ulster and it is shocking stuff. I didn't know about this as was only born around that time. Serving RUC and UDR members took part in gun and bomb attacks on many innocent Catholics in the area and this gang based around Tyrone and Armagh were responsible for up to 120 deaths including Dublin and Monaghan bombings. The heads of the gang were tipped off about security force activity and were able to freely organise terrorism mainly based from two farms in Armagh. Weapons were passed between  UDR/RUC and terrorists and in one case a 4 man RUC unit attacked a country bar in Armagh while on duty wearing overalls over the uniforms. A man who was shot outside recognised the boots as police boots when lying injured on the ground.  3 of them got suspended sentences from the judge then. Anyone else read this book?

Read 'the committee' by Sean mcphilemy - though it's prob more of the same

Why are people so surprised?
Also sad as it may be, it was a war so you can't expect tribunals - though I suppose there is a case for those who were innocents killed by the colluding state lead unionist/loyalist death squads
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I also read the Comittee. It was more speculation than hard fact, no doubt large portions of it were true. However , Lethal Allies is cold hard facts.

[brokencrossbar1]

Anyone see the program tonight on RTE?  Pretty damning stuff and very moving. It's high time that people were fully exposed at whatever level they are at. This will constantly run as a sore until such times as the whole truth is out.

[magpie seanie]

Anyone see the program tonight on RTE?  Pretty damning stuff and very moving. It's high time that people were fully exposed at whatever level they are at. This will constantly run as a sore until such times as the whole truth is out.

Saw it and I agree completely. Terrible, terrible stuff. Think it will give some people in the 26 a bit of an eye opener.

[Rossfan]

Anyone see the program tonight on RTE?  Pretty damning stuff and very moving. It's high time that people were fully exposed at whatever level they are at. This will constantly run as a sore until such times as the whole truth is out.

Saw it and I agree completely. Terrible, terrible stuff. Think it will give some people in the 26 a bit of an eye opener.

Knew most of it already but good to see it put out there again.
People like Syfín might now start to realise that the IRA weren't the only "baddies".
Ken Maginess is still one hateful cnut. " The boy Cameron" ffs!

[armaghniac]

I'm not sure there was a whole lot new in this, but it is good to see things set out and some people could do with a reminder to how things were.

[BennyCake]

Anyone see the program tonight on RTE?  Pretty damning stuff and very moving. It's high time that people were fully exposed at whatever level they are at. This will constantly run as a sore until such times as the whole truth is out.

It's never gonna happen.

[omaghjoe]

It's the only thing you could find to post about on this thread.

Playing the man here hardy?

wtf?

He might be a bit extreme in his point- but unfortunately he's kind of correct.
IMO it's still the case! C'est la vie, but why attack the man?( fox)

Play the man? Attack? If you call than an attack, you can't have lasted too long on the football pitches of Meath.

Your contributions to threads is often so vague and lacking in substance that they give the impression you either;

• don't know what you are talking about,
• think you are have more foresight than others or
• are being passive aggressive.

Think its somewhere between the latter two myself but wouldn't totally rule out the first

[foxcommander]

It's the only thing you could find to post about on this thread.

Playing the man here hardy?

wtf?

He might be a bit extreme in his point- but unfortunately he's kind of correct.
IMO it's still the case! C'est la vie, but why attack the man?( fox)

Play the man? Attack? If you call than an attack, you can't have lasted too long on the football pitches of Meath.

Your contributions to threads is often so vague and lacking in substance that they give the impression you either;

• don't know what you are talking about,
• think you are have more foresight than others or
• are being passive aggressive.

Think its somewhere between the latter two myself but wouldn't totally rule out the first

I'll go for number 1 please Cilla

[Hereiam]

Its a pity its took this long for this issue to be highlighted in the media over here the main problem is that it wont be shown to anyone over in Britain where it could do real damage so all in all its a waste of time because the general public here will go that's terrible but go on with there lives.

[GJL]

Its a pity its took this long for this issue to be highlighted in the media over here the main problem is that it wont be shown to anyone over in Britain where it could do real damage so all in all its a waste of time because the general public here will go that's terrible but go on with there lives.

There was a Panorama similar to last nights show on BBC1 last week shown all over. I would doubt if many over the water would give a toss. I actually doubt if many in the 26 actually do either.

Good to see it coming to the surface and I hope it keeps going.