China Coronavirus

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knockitdown

Why is Germany getting off relatively light in comparison to other big European countries?

armaghniac

Quote from: knockitdown on March 25, 2020, 10:33:28 PM
Why is Germany getting off relatively light in comparison to other big European countries?

Their fatality rate is about the same as ROI because they are testing a  lot of people and their case numbers have some basis in reality.
The UK has supposedly less cases, but two and a half times the fatalities because they do not count the cases.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

HiMucker

That's correct , but UK, France and other nations have asked
the Germans about this, and wanted to know did their high number of ventilators play a part. The Germans informed them that was not the case as they only had a small percentage of ventilators taken up but they expected that to play a part in later weeks. They suspected the disparity in death rate was a combination of testing more and also the fact that a lot of their early positive tests were from schools and younger people coming back from skiing in Northern Italy. The very demographic that was fairing better under the virus. They informed them that they fully expected to track the same way as Italy in the next week or two.

Milltown Row2

I get the testing and plenty of it. But, the testing  can't stop the spread it will only inform you how many have it and how many don't?

Yes if people know they don't have it then isolate and dig in, but if you are tested early will that help the treatment? Not an expert
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Rudi

Quote from: knockitdown on March 25, 2020, 10:33:28 PM
Why is Germany getting off relatively light in comparison to other big European countries?

Most Germans take high doses of Vitamin C, as well as other dietary supplements.

armaghniac

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 25, 2020, 10:55:14 PM
I get the testing and plenty of it. But, the testing  can't stop the spread it will only inform you how many have it and how many don't?

Yes if people know they don't have it then isolate and dig in, but if you are tested early will that help the treatment? Not an expert

If you test and follow up the contacts and tell them to stay at home then the thing cannot spread.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Milltown Row2

Quote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2020, 11:07:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 25, 2020, 10:55:14 PM
I get the testing and plenty of it. But, the testing  can't stop the spread it will only inform you how many have it and how many don't?

Yes if people know they don't have it then isolate and dig in, but if you are tested early will that help the treatment? Not an expert

If you test and follow up the contacts and tell them to stay at home then the thing cannot spread.

But are you not just testing people who have symptoms in the south? And if they have it, they have it, and if they were in contact with others they'll  have it.

I'm talking as to why Germany have less fatalities with four times the cases
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Solo_run

I think with Germany is they focus testing people while they're alive rather than waste tests on people who are dead. Therefore their death toll could be much higher.

armaghniac

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 25, 2020, 11:17:34 PM
But are you not just testing people who have symptoms in the south? And if they have it, they have it, and if they were in contact with others they'll  have it.

Exactly. And in the South there are 1200 people tracking down those contacts and getting them tested and telling them to isolate.

QuoteI'm talking as to why Germany have less fatalities with four times the cases

I told you, in the UK they only test you if you end up in the hospital. In  Germany, likely only 1 in 6 of them go to hospital.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Milltown Row2

Quote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2020, 11:29:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 25, 2020, 11:17:34 PM
But are you not just testing people who have symptoms in the south? And if they have it, they have it, and if they were in contact with others they'll  have it.

Exactly. And in the South there are 1200 people tracking down those contacts and getting them tested and telling them to isolate.

QuoteI'm talking as to why Germany have less fatalities with four times the cases

I told you, in the UK they only test you if you end up in the hospital. In  Germany, likely only 1 in 6 of them go to hospital.

Self isolation is the best way, that's what will stop it spreading. Let's continue to do that and find a vaccine
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Tony Baloney

3 weeks ago the US had 125 confirmed cases. Today that number is around 65,000 and that nutjob wants the country back to business over Easter.

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armaghniac

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 25, 2020, 11:38:22 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2020, 11:29:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 25, 2020, 11:17:34 PM
But are you not just testing people who have symptoms in the south? And if they have it, they have it, and if they were in contact with others they'll  have it.

Exactly. And in the South there are 1200 people tracking down those contacts and getting them tested and telling them to isolate.

QuoteI'm talking as to why Germany have less fatalities with four times the cases

I told you, in the UK they only test you if you end up in the hospital. In  Germany, likely only 1 in 6 of them go to hospital.

Self isolation is the best way, that's what will stop it spreading. Let's continue to do that and find a vaccine

Testing ensures  that people with it are isolated, while allows the rests carry on. Keeping everyone isolated for another year will wreck the country.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

WT4E

WHO commending governments for employin lockdowns etc as this buys invaluable time. But urge them to now move to the next stage which is crucial.... Test test test.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: armaghniac on March 26, 2020, 12:17:26 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 25, 2020, 11:38:22 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2020, 11:29:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 25, 2020, 11:17:34 PM
But are you not just testing people who have symptoms in the south? And if they have it, they have it, and if they were in contact with others they'll  have it.

Exactly. And in the South there are 1200 people tracking down those contacts and getting them tested and telling them to isolate.

QuoteI'm talking as to why Germany have less fatalities with four times the cases

I told you, in the UK they only test you if you end up in the hospital. In  Germany, likely only 1 in 6 of them go to hospital.

Self isolation is the best way, that's what will stop it spreading. Let's continue to do that and find a vaccine

Testing ensures  that people with it are isolated, while allows the rests carry on. Keeping everyone isolated for another year will wreck the country.

It won't recover from this for a long time! Isolate for 4/5 weeks relax it then bring in Another lockdown but get those test kits out hopefully that'll buy time enough to get enough beds ventilators available 
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea