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Rossfan, Syf or whoever... Are those 'outside influences' who Fergal O'Donnell mentioned outside the Co Board or outside the last year's management/players? If it's outside the Co board then it doesn't look good.

Don't read too much into it. This is my understanding of events Fergal and Kevin both met and it was decided(Which was obvious) that joint management wasn't working. So one of them was always going to have to go. Boths sides started to canvass looking for support to get the job and kevin seemed to be getting the majority backing. A lot of the reasoning was Fergal had been there before, A lot of the poor player selections and tactics from last year looked to have been more Fergal than Kevin and a lot of people will tell you Kevin had little in put last year against the 3 Boyle men. He withdrew because he knew he wasn't going to get the Job.

There was one lad there in the half back line with zero pace (not the Boyle lad) - was he really a Fergal pick? And if Kevin chose his management team, what kind of manager is he if he cannot keep them in line? Indeed, what kind of manager is he if he cannot stop his brother in law from going on radio and podcasts criticising players by name and discussing their tactics in advance of a game?
I like Kevin McStay, don't get me wrong, but the whole narrative that it was all Fergal's fault seems to be an important one for those who made the move against Evans and Kearns last year, just to preserve their own reputations. That one of them was on the selection committee was another red flag to me. Also, most of the best modern managers have been young with novel new mindsets - we had a selection committee that was "auld style" to say the least and no disrespect to Mulvey but his skill is in conflict resolution and that he attended the 1962 All-Ireland - and that of course is another red flag (not the All-Ireland attendance but that a bit of conflict resolution was needed). Marty McDermott was a great manager but he was also on the selection committe that picked Des Newton who had no management experience (a great player) - and that was another red flag. Fergal is a good man who loves his county and I'd go with his side of the story on this one.

That fella in half backs wasn't as the other half back you reference. He was continuously selected despite been substituted at half time or 5 mins into second half in all important games this year.
You're entitled to you're opinion on what happened I have mine. I think both lads have let themselves and county down running to media especially Dineen. Fergal maybe had valid reasons but that remains to be seen.

Rossfan, Syf or whoever... Are those 'outside influences' who Fergal O'Donnell mentioned outside the Co Board or outside the last year's management/players? If it's outside the Co board then it doesn't look good.

Don't read too much into it. This is my understanding of events Fergal and Kevin both met and it was decided(Which was obvious) that joint management wasn't working. So one of them was always going to have to go. Boths sides started to canvass looking for support to get the job and kevin seemed to be getting the majority backing. A lot of the reasoning was Fergal had been there before, A lot of the poor player selections and tactics from last year looked to have been more Fergal than Kevin and a lot of people will tell you Kevin had little in put last year against the 3 Boyle men. He withdrew because he knew he wasn't going to get the Job.
Dineens is worse as in he is not ready for the Job Yet maybe in a few years but he had Zero backing from anyone really, Players met and not many if any said they wanted him over Kevin. He eventually realised he wouldn't get Job either and followed suit in running to media with a statement.

I am sure the Boyle lads will tell a different story though

Rochford has done a good job so far. But in terms of manager of the year I would give it to Liam kearns

The word is that Anthony Cunningham is now favourite for the Cavan job.

I wonder will he hold off and look for the Clare hurling job

Does Cake have much in the way of management/coaching experience?

Wouldn't be everyone is Roscommon's cup of tea, which I cant understand given O'Donnell's god like status to some people like Rossfan. But cake was with in a kick off the ball of winning county championship last with pearses and has them nicely positioned this year again. Topping the A side in championship group stages and into semi final. Unlike Roscommon last few years cakes teams are the opposite, poor league form and then peaking come championship maybe something like this is what we need. A better candidate than Dinneen who has struggled with club football.

The only part of county that has any ill feeling is around Boyle and its surrounding area, Apart from this small area there is a sense that right decision was made as O'Donnell has had enough chances with these players over the years and came up short and does not get best out of them.
McStay wanted Fergal as a selector but Fergal wouldn't accept that and a joint management was eventually formed with help of a major sponsor who is close friends with Fergal. During the year Mcstay couldn't handle Fergal and his neighbours Casey and Bohan and they took over the show. We have all seen how that ended up. Even a blind man could see joint management wasn't working so someone had to go. Majority wanted McStay to stay on and this resulted in Fergal leaving. Sadly his little whinge to the media hasn't helped matters and I would be surprised if McStay goes for the job at this stage.

Some people in Roscommon are completely blinded by Fergals achievements and some fans would be happy with him as manager for next ten years. Even if we failed to win a game in those tens some of his followers would campaign to give him an 11th year. Its crazy stuff.

On Nigel Dinneen I highly doubt it, Shane Curran and Mick Jordan would be better candidates

On a genuine note, why are the players beyond reproach with Roscommon? Year on year excuses are proferred and management is made the sacrificial lamb. When will people look at the one constant in this? The players.

Out of interest and off the top of your head how many Roscommon players can you name?

Muppet posted this picture on another thread, 4 Roscommon players can you name them? http://img.rasset.ie/000c8bac-800.jpg (no help from Roscommon posters now)

This current Roscommon team have had a negligent impact at Championship level over the past 4/5 years despite being highly tipped to make waves, their players seem to be absoloved from blame again and again despite being the one constant in their failings.

I'm just wondering genuinely interested as to why this is the case. Scapegoating managers and other factors is an easy option.

A Tyrone political answer meaning you haven't a clue of the name of any of their players but you read somewhere those players where talked up and that annoyed you.

Maybe it's just me but I would never be interested in a case I know very little or nothing about it.

I think you just need to look here as a backdrop for your answer. The players never seem to be questioned, it never seems to be an acceptance that the players just might be a pretty average group, that they might have an attitude problem and don't work as hard as other counties pr have the same spirit.

It's always other factors like management, injuries, tactics and selection etc that are proffered up. The players never seem to be questioned or put under the spotlight, it's like they are golden children and it can can never be their fault. If other counties had the same amount of resources and time extended to them that this Roscommom team have - they had one of the biggest spends of gaelic football county teams in 2015 - and flopped like Roscommom did then the players would be catching a lot more flak.

Where was the money spent so Il Bomber. There was no over sea's training camp last year. In fact the most they got away was one night in Limerick. There was a trip to London that is expensive but even at that all panel members not included in 26 had to fund their own way over to London. Unlike Tyrone we don't have the Queen to fund us down here and cant afford a highly expensive training centre. We spent a fortune renting out St Lomans in Mullingar's and Ait's facilities last year to train . We also spent a lot on mini buses and taxi's to bring lads down from Dublin with nearly 20 of panel based up there.

It's an " open competition" which presumably means that the Executive or any club can nominate anyone.
No closing date mentioned though.
My skulduggery sensor tells me the closing date was probably 9 this morning and only one nomination received.
No doubt the Hatchers have decided since around mid July who the successful candidate is.
All I can say is Clubrossie won't be getting my €s next year as the only money that they have any heed on is that from Mr X.

Who in you're opinion Rossfan is the best candidate for the job? If you had choice between last years joint management continuing, McStay outright or O'Donnell outright which would you choose?

Anyway should McStay not get the job who does that leave us with? There is nobody in the county anywhere good enough

I wonder is there any possibility of getting Anthony Cunningham involved? whether it be as manager or as a selector with McStay. In my eyes Brigids foundations were put in place by him and he done a fabulous job with an average enough Garrycastle team.

If players weren't happy they should have approached management or demanded a " clear the air" meeting.
Suggests a serious lack of leadership among the panel.

If what you say is true - sounds like an army unit rather than an amateur sports team.
Officers know best and foot soldiers will be dealt with on a need to know basis.

Who could have approached them though? Most of the leaders on the panel were not given a fair shot this year and to approach management would have looked like sour grapes.
I agree it sounds like an army unit. One of the lads said it was like a cult and everyone was afraid say or do anything. Obviously there are a few lads not happy Fergal is gone but majority are. Think players didn't agree with joint management as they felt Fergal had the upper hand and they were a bit surprised by mcstays lack of input whether that was because he wasn't let or didn't bother is anyone's guess but that's what happened as far as I am concerned.

What exactly were the player's/players' problem(s)?
Why could they not have taken these to the team captain and ask him to take them to management?Or was it one of two bucks running to daddy with their moans and daddy in turn going to the Hatch/plotters to try and shaft Fergal?
Why are unelected non officials deciding who should and shouldn't manage our County team?

Team captain had no communication with management all year no more than the rest of the squad, they never rang him once outside of training to seek his opinion on anything so pretty pointless asking him to approach them. One the main issues was lack of communication from management no body what was going on. Where they stood in panel what tactic were been played. Lads were no let express themselves a lot of the feedback was given out about any time a player tried take a man on someone on line was roaring into him saying he should be fisting ball back out.
Not enjoying training, the whole atmosphere was extremely negative compaired with what was starting to become a positive mood in camp from previous year or two.

He is a gentleman and I wish him all the best In future wherever that is. He is heist not the right fit at the moment

[Who will be hung next year?]

What were McS/McH doing all year so?
Who didn't "aloud" them to do anything?
What does joint manager mean - Obviously in this case it was " you take the shit" and I'll stay back and be the goodie two shoes.
Who will be hung next year?

If they had all resigned and let Co Board or clubs propose someone incl outgoing people it would be fairer.
Of course the nasty oul clubs mightn't do what the puppet master wants.

Always has to be a scapegoat when things go wrong. This was meant to be a 3 year project and management to be judged after that. It's unlikely any good will come from forcing Roscommon football men to core out after one year against their will. To put this into context a Kerry man John Evans was given a full three years and wanted to stay for a 4th year.

He wasn't forced out, The joint management wasn't working both looked for the job outright ,no point continuing in joint management when its not working and one side having no say . Players backed McStay and when O'Donnell realised county board were to give it to McStay fergal withdrew.

Joint management was working fine when Roscommon reached the div one semi final beating the likes of Kerry,Cork,Donegal along the way. This summer was the first time in 5 years that Roscommon reached a provincial final. For me no management should be judged on one year and especially when managing a team that are work in progress.

You seem to be individual that has agenda against one side of the now former management team. Am I expected to believe your side of events?

No you don't need to take me an unknown to you poster word for it. Ask the players. I have already spoken to players from north south east and west of the county and not many have shed a tear. The players could well have done a Mayo on it had today's decision not been made. Just ask a few of the panel

[Who will be hung next year?]

What were McS/McH doing all year so?
Who didn't "aloud" them to do anything?
What does joint manager mean - Obviously in this case it was " you take the shit" and I'll stay back and be the goodie two shoes.
Who will be hung next year?

If they had all resigned and let Co Board or clubs propose someone incl outgoing people it would be fairer.
Of course the nasty oul clubs mightn't do what the puppet master wants.

Always has to be a scapegoat when things go wrong. This was meant to be a 3 year project and management to be judged after that. It's unlikely any good will come from forcing Roscommon football men to core out after one year against their will. To put this into context a Kerry man John Evans was given a full three years and wanted to stay for a 4th year.

He wasn't forced out, The joint management wasn't working both looked for the job outright ,no point continuing in joint management when its not working and one side having no say . Players backed McStay and when O'Donnell realised county board were to give it to McStay fergal withdrew.

On Jack Cooney I know he is highly taught off in Celbridge but has done very little with them. Paul Curran I would steer clear off.

On our own situation joint managers don't work and thankfully the right decision has been made.

Sorry to be ignorant but who is Jack.Cooney and what's his pedigree?

Westmeath man from Kinnegad, Was a selector with Paudi when Westmeath won the Leinster. Has been over Celbridge last few years, players like him but they have done no better in championship with him. Also a selector with Donegal with Gallagher, Cooneys wife is a Kilcar woman I think that's the connection and Gallagher was over them before Donegal.
Does the training with Dublin based Donegal lads. Was favourite for Westmeath job few years ago but money seemed the issue, Was looking for a lot of training camps and had high expenditure plans

What were McS/McH doing all year so?
Who didn't "aloud" them to do anything?
What does joint manager mean - Obviously in this case it was " you take the shit" and I'll stay back and be the goodie two shoes.
Who will be hung next year?

If they had all resigned and let Co Board or clubs propose someone incl outgoing people it would be fairer.
Of course the nasty oul clubs mightn't do what the puppet master wants.

They had no say Fergal and Casey were running the show I said that back at start of the summer on Stolensheep and got abused because people didn't want to hear it but that's what I was hearing from the camp. They both went for the job, they both spoke to Mr.Mulryan and the county board looking for their backing in getting job on their own, Obviously Fergal realised he wasn't getting the job due to players wanting McStay/McHale and pulled out.