http://www.goqradio.com/news/q-radio-local-news/exclusive-plans-revealed-for-joint-northern-ireland-visit-by-the-pope-and-the-queen/
QuoteQ Radio understands that the Pope and the Queen will visit Northern Ireland jointly next summer.
Pope Francis, who's 80, is already scheduled to visit the Republic in 2018 for the World Meeting of Families.
Today we can reveal that not only will the Head of the Catholic church travel north of the border but he will be joined by the supreme governor of the Church of England who turns 92 in April.
It will be a deeply symbolic and powerful moment - The Pope and the Queen appearing side by side before a divided society.
Last year the then Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness revealed that the 80 year old Pontiff WOULD cross the border.
At the time - the then First Minister, Arlene Foster, said she would meet him.
Q Radio sources have revealed that plans for the joint visit are being worked on.
The location is being kept under wraps - it may be Armagh or Belfast- but it certainly will be in Northern Ireland.
Meanwhile,
The Archbishop of Armagh, the Most Reverend Richard Clarke, says a joint visit by the Pope and the Queen to Northern Ireland would be "remarkable and wonderful".
The head of the Anglican communion in Ireland was responding to a Q Radio news report that plans are being drawn up for such a visit next August.
QRadio would have access to sensational news like this!😂😂 Not being reported anywhere else.
Was within touching distance of the Pope at Mass in St Peter's Basilica last Tuesday evening.Don't know if I could be bothered with all the hassle of going to see him when he visits Ireland.
Quote from: T Fearon on December 19, 2017, 07:32:17 AM
QRadio would have access to sensational news like this!😂😂 Not being reported anywhere else.
Was within touching distance of the Pope at Mass in St Peter's Basilica last Tuesday evening.Don't know if I could be bothered with all the hassle of going to see him when he visits Ireland.
I'm sure he'll be gutted you'll not bother him when he's here
Quote from: T Fearon on December 19, 2017, 07:32:17 AM
QRadio would have access to sensational news like this!😂😂 Not being reported anywhere else.
Was within touching distance of the Pope at Mass in St Peter's Basilica last Tuesday evening.Don't know if I could be bothered with all the hassle of going to see him when he visits Ireland.
I see someone is struggling with the definition of the word "exclusive"
When Francis hears of Tony's views on homeless people I suspect he wouldn't want him near the place anyway.
I have seen the Pope that often in Rome,that I doubt I could be bothered with all the hassle (traffic,crowds,security etc) when he comes here.His visit here is akin to a football pre season friendly,no comparison when you've seen him in serious mode on his home turf.
Sure there's never been any "touching" in a Catholic church.
If there ever was, a confidentiality clause or 2 soon drew a line under it. All sorted.
Yawn.Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
One of them is the antichrist. But which one ?
Great, Tony has turned this into another thread about himself!
This place is going to the dogs
Quote from: T Fearon on December 19, 2017, 08:25:03 AM
I have seen the Pope that often in Rome,that I doubt I could be bothered with all the hassle (traffic,crowds,security etc) when he comes here.His visit here is akin to a football pre season friendly,no comparison when you've seen him in serious mode on his home turf.
So in effect you admit that those who go to see el papa in the north on his visit are getting a lesser papal experience than you have experienced in Rome ?
Similar to someone going to see Queen without Freddie Mercury, yes ?
Do you leave trip advisor reviews of each time you see him in Rome ?
No.Seeing and listening to the Pope is a special experience.But the hassle and security here will be enormous.Having said that I queued for an hour to get into St Peter's a week ago!
Pope doesn't give 100% on his travels, obviously. Plays 4-5-1 in the hope of coming away with a point. The masses are in for a bit of the ould papal bull if he's not going to put much effort in.
Quote from: T Fearon on December 19, 2017, 08:25:03 AM
I have seen the Pope that often in Rome,that I doubt I could be bothered with all the hassle (traffic,crowds,security etc) when he comes here.His visit here is akin to a football pre season friendly,no comparison when you've seen him in serious mode on his home turf.
So you've been to Buenos Aires to see him in his home turf?
Pope visit will cause more trouble than it's worth. The AI final rescheduled, the cost, security fears, probable protests, unionists pissed off... Actually, feck it, that's reason enough for him to visit.
I think it's a wonderful idea.
Won't travel north mind you but if Pope Francie appears somewhere in Dublin shur why wouldn't I go?
Sadly I didn't lose my virginity in Galway in 1979 (I wasn't even there and I was only 12) like an awful lot of boys and girls but perhaps Tony you could do worse if you go to the inevitable outdoor mass in Stormont.
With Jamie Bryson & the fleg protest rent-a-mob in attendance. Good day out in prospect. Snarlene in a mantilla, anyone?
Speaking of Pope Francis - how does Tony feel that a huge % of the hierarchy of the church want him dead? These guys would be Tony's types of dudes. Judgemental and slaves to doctrine so it begs the question - Tony, do you also hate the Pope?
F**k me. Yet another thread turning into the Tony show.
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 19, 2017, 01:38:20 PM
Speaking of Pope Francis - how does Tony feel that a huge % of the hierarchy of the church want him dead? These guys would be Tony's types of dudes. Judgemental and slaves to doctrine so it begs the question - Tony, do you also hate the Pope?
the Pope is homeless and he doesn't work hard
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 19, 2017, 01:38:20 PM
Speaking of Pope Francis - how does Tony feel that a huge % of the hierarchy of the church want him dead? These guys would be Tony's types of dudes. Judgemental and slaves to doctrine so it begs the question - Tony, do you also hate the Pope?
Just look at JP The First. Bumped off, hardly even managed his first pay cheque.
Quote from: BennyCake on December 19, 2017, 12:37:35 PM
Pope visit will cause more trouble than it's worth. The AI final rescheduled, the cost, security fears, probable protests, unionists pissed off... Actually, feck it, that's reason enough for him to visit.
Rescheduling of the All Ireland won't be inconveniencing your lot too much
Quote from: Avondhu star on December 19, 2017, 10:50:59 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 19, 2017, 12:37:35 PM
Pope visit will cause more trouble than it's worth. The AI final rescheduled, the cost, security fears, probable protests, unionists pissed off... Actually, feck it, that's reason enough for him to visit.
Rescheduling of the All Ireland won't be inconveniencing your lot too much
Maybe not, but the unionists are mighty pissed off about it.
Magpie Seanie,it is the role of this and any other Pope to defend and promote Catholic doctrine,which is timeless and unchangeable.This Pope may be more unconventional than his immediate predecessors but I have detected no divergence from doctrine.
I do not know what is so hard to understand about the fact that the Church's mission is to save souls not win popularity,therefore it simply cannot change its scripture based stance on homosexuality,abortion etc just to be "compassionate" or "popular"
Quote from: Avondhu star on December 19, 2017, 10:50:59 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 19, 2017, 12:37:35 PM
Pope visit will cause more trouble than it's worth. The AI final rescheduled, the cost, security fears, probable protests, unionists pissed off... Actually, feck it, that's reason enough for him to visit.
Rescheduling of the All Ireland won't be inconveniencing your lot too much
It might help Tony book his hotel for the correct weekend.
Quote from: T Fearon on December 20, 2017, 08:11:54 AM
Magpie Seanie,it is the role of this and any other Pope to defend and promote Catholic doctrine,which is timeless and unchangeable.This Pope may be more unconventional than his immediate predecessors but I have detected no divergence from doctrine.
I do not know what is so hard to understand about the fact that the Church's mission is to save souls not win popularity,therefore it simply cannot change its scripture based stance on homosexuality,abortion etc just to be "compassionate" or "popular"
So Vatican 2 was an illusion then Tony ?
You are some chancer!
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 19, 2017, 06:03:19 AM
http://www.goqradio.com/news/q-radio-local-news/exclusive-plans-revealed-for-joint-northern-ireland-visit-by-the-pope-and-the-queen/
QuoteQ Radio understands that the Pope and the Queen will visit Northern Ireland jointly next summer.
Pope Francis, who's 80, is already scheduled to visit the Republic in 2018 for the World Meeting of Families.
Today we can reveal that not only will the Head of the Catholic church travel north of the border but he will be joined by the supreme governor of the Church of England who turns 92 in April.
It will be a deeply symbolic and powerful moment - The Pope and the Queen appearing side by side before a divided society.
Last year the then Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness revealed that the 80 year old Pontiff WOULD cross the border.
At the time - the then First Minister, Arlene Foster, said she would meet him.
Q Radio sources have revealed that plans for the joint visit are being worked on.
The location is being kept under wraps - it may be Armagh or Belfast- but it certainly will be in Northern Ireland.
Meanwhile,
The Archbishop of Armagh, the Most Reverend Richard Clarke, says a joint visit by the Pope and the Queen to Northern Ireland would be "remarkable and wonderful".
The head of the Anglican communion in Ireland was responding to a Q Radio news report that plans are being drawn up for such a visit next August.
The Queen of England does not do joint appearances, she has no equal.
Quote from: The Subbie on December 20, 2017, 10:59:04 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 20, 2017, 08:11:54 AM
Magpie Seanie,it is the role of this and any other Pope to defend and promote Catholic doctrine,which is timeless and unchangeable.This Pope may be more unconventional than his immediate predecessors but I have detected no divergence from doctrine.
I do not know what is so hard to understand about the fact that the Church's mission is to save souls not win popularity,therefore it simply cannot change its scripture based stance on homosexuality,abortion etc just to be "compassionate" or "popular"
So Vatican 2 was an illusion then Tony ?
You are some chancer!
Can you still buy your way into heaven, by passing purgatory as such? The doctrine has changed many times over the years to suit themselves....
Quote from: vallankumous on December 20, 2017, 01:06:51 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 19, 2017, 06:03:19 AM
http://www.goqradio.com/news/q-radio-local-news/exclusive-plans-revealed-for-joint-northern-ireland-visit-by-the-pope-and-the-queen/
QuoteQ Radio understands that the Pope and the Queen will visit Northern Ireland jointly next summer.
Pope Francis, who's 80, is already scheduled to visit the Republic in 2018 for the World Meeting of Families.
Today we can reveal that not only will the Head of the Catholic church travel north of the border but he will be joined by the supreme governor of the Church of England who turns 92 in April.
It will be a deeply symbolic and powerful moment - The Pope and the Queen appearing side by side before a divided society.
Last year the then Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness revealed that the 80 year old Pontiff WOULD cross the border.
At the time - the then First Minister, Arlene Foster, said she would meet him.
Q Radio sources have revealed that plans for the joint visit are being worked on.
The location is being kept under wraps - it may be Armagh or Belfast- but it certainly will be in Northern Ireland.
Meanwhile,
The Archbishop of Armagh, the Most Reverend Richard Clarke, says a joint visit by the Pope and the Queen to Northern Ireland would be "remarkable and wonderful".
The head of the Anglican communion in Ireland was responding to a Q Radio news report that plans are being drawn up for such a visit next August.
The Queen of England does not do joint appearances, she has no equal.
She may not do joint appearances, but she fairly snorts up the ould coke, through her own rolled-up currency too.
It is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for Tony to condemn the church or anything to do with it
Quote from: T Fearon on December 19, 2017, 07:32:17 AM
QRadio would have access to sensational news like this!😂😂 Not being reported anywhere else.
QRadio is owned by the Irish News. So they get their information from the same sources presumably.
Quote from: T Fearon on December 20, 2017, 08:11:54 AM
Magpie Seanie,it is the role of this and any other Pope to defend and promote Catholic doctrine,which is timeless and unchangeable.This Pope may be more unconventional than his immediate predecessors but I have detected no divergence from doctrine.
I do not know what is so hard to understand about the fact that the Church's mission is to save souls not win popularity,therefore it simply cannot change its scripture based stance on homosexuality,abortion etc just to be "compassionate" or "popular"
Some of your heroes in the hierarchy don't share your views. Nor does the Pope. Interesting article which highlights what a joke the whole organisation has become. I think this Pope is a good man who hasn't lost sight of the big picture....unlike the doctrine obsessed scholars who specialise in judging others.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/oct/27/the-war-against-pope-francis (https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/oct/27/the-war-against-pope-francis)
Shock,horror,leader of the world's biggest institution is not universally popular🤤.Catholic doctrine deriving directly from the Apostles and is sacrosanct.
That's not quite true either Tony, is is?
Quote from: T Fearon on December 20, 2017, 05:58:35 PM
Shock,horror,leader of the world's biggest institution is not universally popular🤤.Catholic doctrine deriving directly from the Apostles and is sacrosanct.
I get faith and believing in something that might not be real, but if you think Catholic doctrine, that has been changed to suit its own needs and not been taken directly from the apostles then you are dumber than I give you credit for
Who'd win in a fight?
There has been changes in format but core doctrine has never changed nor can it be.
Quote from: T Fearon on December 21, 2017, 01:07:58 AM
There has been changes in format but core doctrine has never changed nor can it be.
Cough - Vatican 2 - cough
Quote from: T Fearon on December 21, 2017, 01:07:58 AM
There has been changes in format but core doctrine has never changed nor can it be.
Of course it has. The council of Nicea was one example. What is current church policy on the ordination of eunuchs?
Why was there a schism between the Eastern and Western churches in 1054?
Transubstantiation
Confession
Priests
Remember mother church and her female leaders in the early days...
Jesus often spoke about the need for a huge bureaucracy in Rome
Of course the doctrine has evolved over the years since our understanding of the gospel message has increased and refined
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 20, 2017, 04:22:07 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 20, 2017, 08:11:54 AM
Magpie Seanie,it is the role of this and any other Pope to defend and promote Catholic doctrine,which is timeless and unchangeable.This Pope may be more unconventional than his immediate predecessors but I have detected no divergence from doctrine.
I do not know what is so hard to understand about the fact that the Church's mission is to save souls not win popularity,therefore it simply cannot change its scripture based stance on homosexuality,abortion etc just to be "compassionate" or "popular"
Some of your heroes in the hierarchy don't share your views. Nor does the Pope. Interesting article which highlights what a joke the whole organisation has become. I think this Pope is a good man who hasn't lost sight of the big picture....unlike the doctrine obsessed scholars who specialise in judging others.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/oct/27/the-war-against-pope-francis (https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/oct/27/the-war-against-pope-francis)
Francis presents a considerable problem for those (the Guardian for the sake of argument) who have demonised the church for years (some of it justified) to promote their own agendas.
The pope could always be presented as a type of villian for their causes but Francis has turned that on its head by going deeper into the principles of the Catholic doctrine rather than the specifics and preaches a message and values that they also adhere too.
They're a bit flumaxed by this demonstrated perfectly by this article presenting a conspiracy theory that Francis is a renegade against the church and that they are hoping to get rid of him ASAP. And hence the church at the root of it all is just as bad a bogeyman as it as always been. While Ive no doubt that there are those who oppose him I haven't heard any of it at all and in fact since he became pope there is frequent mention of him on the pulpit so I would say those who support him far outnumber those that do.
Vatican 2 changed the way mass was celebrated,mass in Latin (still remember acting as Altar server during these) and a few other cosmetic changes for ecumenical purposes.It did not change core doctrine.
One must also remember that the Pope,being the proxy of Christ on earth,is constantly the receptacle of Divine inspiration and enlightenment,so any alterations he makes are divinely inspired
Quote from: T Fearon on December 21, 2017, 07:31:54 AM
Vatican 2 changed the way mass was celebrated,mass in Latin (still remember acting as Altar server during these) and a few other cosmetic changes for ecumenical purposes.It did not change core doctrine.
One must also remember that the Pope,being the proxy of Christ on earth,is constantly the receptacle of Divine inspiration and enlightenment,so any alterations he makes are divinely inspired
The only thing that counts is power
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcial_Maciel
Marcial Maciel Degollado LC (March 10, 1920 – January 30, 2008) was a Mexican Catholicpriest who founded the Legion of Christ and the Regnum Christi movement, serving as general director of the legion from 1941 to 2005. Throughout most of his career, he was respected within the church as "the greatest fundraiser of the modern Roman Catholic church" and as a prolific recruiter of new seminarians.[1] Late in his life, Maciel was revealed to have sexually abused boys and young men. After his death, it came to light that he had maintained relationships with at least two women, fathering as many as six children. He allegedly abused two of these as well.[2][3]
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 21, 2017, 06:43:20 AM
Of course the doctrine has evolved over the years since our understanding of the gospel message has increased and refined
To suit its own needs?
Quote from: T Fearon on December 21, 2017, 07:31:54 AM
Vatican 2 changed the way mass was celebrated,mass in Latin (still remember acting as Altar server during these) and a few other cosmetic changes for ecumenical purposes.It did not change core doctrine.
One must also remember that the Pope,being the proxy of Christ on earth,is constantly the receptacle of Divine inspiration and enlightenment,so any alterations he makes are divinely inspired
What about Slavery Tony ?
The Church not only explicitly condoned slavery and allowed it in Canon Law, but the Church actually owned slaves itself. The Church did not get around to condemning it until 1888 decades after most secular governments had already abolished it. Despite the fact that the Bible and the Church condoned it for centuries, John Paul II included slavery among matters that are ''intrinsically evil'' -- prohibited ''always and forever'' and ''without any exception'' -- a violation of a universal, immutable norm.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2005/05/22/books/review/a-church-that-can-and-cannot-change-dogma.html?referer= (https://mobile.nytimes.com/2005/05/22/books/review/a-church-that-can-and-cannot-change-dogma.html?referer=)
Historically, one of the most prominent examples of the Church changing its teaching was in the matter of usury, or charging interest on loans. The early Church forbad interest on loans, much in the same way Islam does today. But the teaching was eventually softened to state that exorbitant interest was forbidden.
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 21, 2017, 07:07:32 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 20, 2017, 04:22:07 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 20, 2017, 08:11:54 AM
Magpie Seanie,it is the role of this and any other Pope to defend and promote Catholic doctrine,which is timeless and unchangeable.This Pope may be more unconventional than his immediate predecessors but I have detected no divergence from doctrine.
I do not know what is so hard to understand about the fact that the Church's mission is to save souls not win popularity,therefore it simply cannot change its scripture based stance on homosexuality,abortion etc just to be "compassionate" or "popular"
Some of your heroes in the hierarchy don't share your views. Nor does the Pope. Interesting article which highlights what a joke the whole organisation has become. I think this Pope is a good man who hasn't lost sight of the big picture....unlike the doctrine obsessed scholars who specialise in judging others.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/oct/27/the-war-against-pope-francis (https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/oct/27/the-war-against-pope-francis)
Francis presents a considerable problem for those (the Guardian for the sake of argument) who have demonised the church for years (some of it justified) to promote their own agendas.
The pope could always be presented as a type of villian for their causes but Francis has turned that on its head by going deeper into the principles of the Catholic doctrine rather than the specifics and preaches a message and values that they also adhere too.
They're a bit flumaxed by this demonstrated perfectly by this article presenting a conspiracy theory that Francis is a renegade against the church and that they are hoping to get rid of him ASAP. And hence the church at the root of it all is just as bad a bogeyman as it as always been. While Ive no doubt that there are those who oppose him I haven't heard any of it at all and in fact since he became pope there is frequent mention of him on the pulpit so I would say those who support him far outnumber those that do.
That's an interesting take omaghjoe. I'm not sure I fully agree with you. I hope you are right and there is strong support for Pope Francis within the hierarchy and that him and his successors can bring the catholic church back to what it should be......a compassionate, caring, non-judgemental organisation. Obviously my vision for the church is completely at odds with Tony's and his ilk but I'd say to them - what's the point in a church that's there to make money, protect its own no matter what and wag the finger at those they believe are doing wrong?
The Church exists not to make money but to defend and promote scripture based doctrine with the aim of saving souls.
Compassion etc is fine provided it doesn't lead to tolerance of sin of any kind as this will not lead to salvation
Quote from: T Fearon on December 21, 2017, 09:47:54 AM
The Church exists not to make money but to defend and promote scripture based doctrine with the aim of saving souls.
Compassion etc is fine provided it doesn't lead to tolerance of sin of any kind as this will not lead to salvation
That is not how the Church works in practice.
All sorts of abuses are tolerated. The Reformation happened because of this
The Vatican not making money? That's a laugh.
Let's remind ourselves of the nefarious activities of yet another snow white, pristine character within the Vatican......yes, this one:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2006/feb/23/guardianobituaries.religion
Quote from: T Fearon on December 21, 2017, 09:47:54 AM
The Church exists not to make money but to defend and promote scripture based doctrine with the aim of saving souls.
Compassion etc is fine provided it doesn't lead to tolerance of sin of any kind as this will not lead to salvation
Tony - you're so wrong it's hard to believe. The person we're all supposed to try to emulate broke bread with sinners and replaced all the commandments with this one - "love one another as I have loved you". He basically told us that this strict adherence to rules and regulations and looking down on/judging others was bullshit. Just try to be a good person and try to help others. It's really that simple.
And if people don't believe - that's fine. I'm sure they'll agree that trying to do the above is right. Focus on what unites us, not what divides.
Less of that oul Christianity guff Seànie.
If everyone did that sure we'd have no wars, no famines, no massive inequality, no tr**p in the White House, no homelessness....etc etc.
Sure that'd be no good at all to the bankers, arms dealers, land grabbers, greed merchants etc etc
Quote from: Rossfan on December 21, 2017, 10:48:00 AM
Less of that oul Christianity guff.
Best thing ever said on this board. But, could we postpone implementing it to 26th December, until we get Christmas over?
Queen are not the same without Freddy. Seeing as it's Ireland, Queen with Jack L might be ok.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 21, 2017, 10:48:00 AM
Less of that oul Christianity guff Seànie.
If everyone did that sure we'd have no wars, no famines, no massive inequality, no tr**p in the White House, no homelessness....etc etc.
Sure that'd be no good at all to the bankers, arms dealers, land grabbers, greed merchants etc etc
I think you have a point there. Unfortunately.
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 21, 2017, 10:34:06 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 21, 2017, 09:47:54 AM
The Church exists not to make money but to defend and promote scripture based doctrine with the aim of saving souls.
Compassion etc is fine provided it doesn't lead to tolerance of sin of any kind as this will not lead to salvation
Tony - you're so wrong it's hard to believe. The person we're all supposed to try to emulate broke bread with sinners and replaced all the commandments with this one - "love one another as I have loved you". He basically told us that this strict adherence to rules and regulations and looking down on/judging others was bullshit. Just try to be a good person and try to help others. It's really that simple.
And if people don't believe - that's fine. I'm sure they'll agree that trying to do the above is right. Focus on what unites us, not what divides.
Spot on, great post and exactly what the Catholic Church should be about.
The Lord befriended sinners with the aim of coverting them and to turn away from sin.He did not do so out of any tolerance of sin or condoning it.This was his mission,no point him wasting his time spending it with the righteous.
Or pontificating on gaaboard.com
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on December 21, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 21, 2017, 10:48:00 AM
Less of that oul Christianity guff.
Best thing ever said on this board. But, could we postpone implementing it to 26th December, until we get Christmas over?
you mean Yule, right?
Yule do what the Vatican tells you.
In the modern saying - "Happy Holidays".
Next year's Papal visit has the potential to launch a significant renewal of faith in Ireland and a return to the fold.
I was talking to a officially retired (but active in ministry) priest last night. Asked him about the visit.
He said Pope would be better off flying in, doing his bit, and be back in Rome for the evening tea.
Cannot see a so-called renewal of faith. Whatever that means.
The days of being afraid of the slap of the crozier are long gone.
And that's welcome.
One can be a good Christian without all this added nonsense that seems to inspire some.
Sorry to diss anyone's beliefs and all, but when people start quoting the bible or telling us what Jesus said, they've lost their argument right there and then.
I'm sure the Famous Five said lots of things in Enid Blyton's books, but nobody goes about saying George said something or other, so we must abide by the word of George. Just because it's in a book don't make it true.
Probably still a few about who would get quite a thrill from a "slap of the crozier".
"I have seen the Pope that often in Rome,that I doubt I could be bothered with all the hassle (traffic,crowds,security etc) when he comes here.His visit here is akin to a football pre season friendly,no comparison when you've seen him in serious mode on his home turf".
"Next year's Papal visit has the potential to launch a significant renewal of faith in Ireland and a return to the fold".
Hard to credit, but those 2 posts came from the same person.
Quote from: T Fearon on December 21, 2017, 01:22:40 PM
Next year's Papal visit has the potential to launch a significant renewal of faith in Ireland and a return to the fold.
If the visit of a showman somehow stimulates someones dormant faith, I'd suggest a relapse isn't far away especially when worshipping false idols.
When is this going to be firmed up on? Need to get those stetsons left over from Garth Brooks rebranded.
Disappointing but hardly surprised by such cynical comments.The Pope is a man of charisma,and if his visit re awakens interest in the Church,or inspires some Philip Mulryne like moments (a pro footballer who has it all but was totally dissatisfied),and help people realise the absolute meaninglessness of a temporal physical existence without faith,then it will be well worthwhile.
Quote from: T Fearon on December 21, 2017, 02:23:41 PM
Disappointing but hardly surprised by such cynical comments.The Pope is a man of charisma,and if his visit re awakens interest in the Church,or inspires some Philip Mulryne like moments (a pro footballer who has it all but was totally dissatisfied),and help people realise the absolute meaninglessness of a temporal physical existence without faith,then it will be well worthwhile.
The current Pope is the smiley face of an organisation in dire trouble. Obviously Benedict wasn't a good enough facade, or wouldn't conform or say the things the Vatican wanted, so he was turfed out.
The visit of the Pope might get a few people to go to mass for a few Sundays. But it won't make any difference for non-believing Catholics.
They're hardly Catholics if they're non believing.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 21, 2017, 03:45:10 PM
They're hardly Catholics if they're non believing.
Quiet, you! ;D
But yeah, you're right. Although, you can still be catholic and not be catholic at the same time. Especially in the North.
I suppose there'd be Catholic and Protestant atheists and agnostics up there
Quote from: BennyCake on December 21, 2017, 01:37:22 PM
Sorry to diss anyone's beliefs and all, but when people start quoting the bible or telling us what Jesus said, they've lost their argument right there and then.
I'm sure the Famous Five said lots of things in Enid Blyton's books, but nobody goes about saying George said something or other, so we must abide by the word of George. Just because it's in a book don't make it true.
I'm sorry but I can't let that go. My discussion or argument was with Tony, a devout Catholic by all accounts. His take on the bible would doubtless be different than yours and many others. This is stuff he surely believes and it's the Catholicism I grew up with and remember. What my beliefs or yours are irrelevant to this discussion where I'm clearly challenging Tony's.
You'll note I mentioned people who do not believe later in that post. Not that they need my approval or anyone's for that matter. I think in the context of my post your comment is unfair and imbalanced.
My belief is in the Bible,but if Jesus' mission was to save,it was not all about lovey dovey,anything goes and should be tolerated.He naturally associated with sinners,as his mission was to save,he was compassionate and patient,but the bible also makes it clear that sin is not acceptable,nor should it be tolerated and there are dire consequences for non repentance.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on December 21, 2017, 01:33:25 PM
I was talking to the Pope last night. Asked him about the visit.
He said "see thon Polish boy, starting all this flying about nonsense & doing his wee bit, with a Mass here & there all over the world? I wish he hadn't started; now the rest of us all have to do the same gig. At my age too. I am so pissed off with airport security, lost baggage & air traffic controller strikes and don't even mention Ryanair to me. I'd rather be sat back in Rome, having a Fray Bentos pie & a nice glass of Argentinian red for the evening tea".
With apologies to Shamrock Shore.
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 21, 2017, 04:51:29 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 21, 2017, 01:37:22 PM
Sorry to diss anyone's beliefs and all, but when people start quoting the bible or telling us what Jesus said, they've lost their argument right there and then.
I'm sure the Famous Five said lots of things in Enid Blyton's books, but nobody goes about saying George said something or other, so we must abide by the word of George. Just because it's in a book don't make it true.
I'm sorry but I can't let that go. My discussion or argument was with Tony, a devout Catholic by all accounts. His take on the bible would doubtless be different than yours and many others. This is stuff he surely believes and it's the Catholicism I grew up with and remember. What my beliefs or yours are irrelevant to this discussion where I'm clearly challenging Tony's.
You'll note I mentioned people who do not believe later in that post. Not that they need my approval or anyone's for that matter. I think in the context of my post your comment is unfair and imbalanced.
Fair enough, but my original post wasn't in response to any one particular post or poster.
In the Bible story of the birth of Jesus there the whole story about the census thing which never happened in them days. A nonsense story book. Work of fiction.
In your opinion
I think there is a fair amount of evidence quite simply without paying attention to every comma in the Bible that Jesus existed.Billions of people throughout the ages believe he did,was crucified and rose from the dead.I would suggest this alone proves the existence of God
Q Radio understands that Pope Francis has accepted an invitation from the Rev. Mervyn Gibson (Chaplain, Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland) to come North & to preach at an ecumenical service at Edenderry on 12 July 2018. Unconfirmed reports from Vatican sources indicate that the Pope has been learning a new hymn, "The Billy Boys", for the occasion.
Plenty of people believed in The South Sea Company. Look where that got them.
Quote from: T Fearon on December 21, 2017, 08:30:23 PM
I think there is a fair amount of evidence quite simply without paying attention to every comma in the Bible that Jesus existed.Billions of people throughout the ages believe he did,was crucified and rose from the dead.I would suggest this alone proves the existence of God
Billions of people throughout the ages???? Only in last century have we that type of population.
Many people believed the earth was flat.
Many people believed the sun revolved around the earth.
The pair of penguins marched the whole way to the Middle East. Yeah.
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 21, 2017, 08:43:47 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 21, 2017, 08:30:23 PM
I think there is a fair amount of evidence quite simply without paying attention to every comma in the Bible that Jesus existed.Billions of people throughout the ages believe he did,was crucified and rose from the dead.I would suggest this alone proves the existence of God
Billions of people throughout the ages???? Only in last century have we that type of population.
Many people believed the earth was flat.
Many people believed the sun revolved around the earth.
The pair of penguins marched the whole way to the Middle East. Yeah.
Over 2 billion currently.
I am talking about the aggregate of people since Jesus' time,up to the present
Quote from: T Fearon on December 21, 2017, 08:30:23 PM
I think there is a fair amount of evidence quite simply without paying attention to every comma in the Bible that Jesus existed.Billions of people throughout the ages believe he did,was crucified and rose from the dead.I would suggest this alone proves the existence of God
No. It doesn't at all
Quote from: LooseCannon on December 21, 2017, 09:06:26 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 21, 2017, 08:43:47 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 21, 2017, 08:30:23 PM
I think there is a fair amount of evidence quite simply without paying attention to every comma in the Bible that Jesus existed.Billions of people throughout the ages believe he did,was crucified and rose from the dead.I would suggest this alone proves the existence of God
Billions of people throughout the ages???? Only in last century have we that type of population.
Many people believed the earth was flat.
Many people believed the sun revolved around the earth.
The pair of penguins marched the whole way to the Middle East. Yeah.
Over 2 billion currently.
2 billion Catholics but how many actually practicing.
Quote from: hardstation on December 21, 2017, 09:31:46 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 21, 2017, 08:30:23 PM
I think there is a fair amount of evidence quite simply without paying attention to every comma in the Bible that Jesus existed.Billions of people throughout the ages believe he did,was crucified and rose from the dead.I would suggest this alone proves the existence of God
If I could get a lock of people to believe I won the lotto...
Can we have one piece of evidence?
Monday is 25 December. That is Christmas Day. It also happens to be Jesus' birthday. It is all written in The Holy Bible. That is the document recording the actual words of the deity. Absolutely billions of people read it. Therefore God exists.
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on December 21, 2017, 09:41:41 PM
Monday is 25 December. That is Christmas Day. It also happens to be Jesus' birthday. It is all written in The Holy Bible. That is the document recording the actual words of the deity. Absolutely billions of people read it. Therefore God exists.
The conception the 8th and birth 25th. Miracle. I always thought it was because of the Pagan Winter Solstice worship? Most Christian festival are just bastardised versions of pre existing ones.
The Immaculate Conception is that of Mary, mother of Jesus.
Quote from: hardstation on December 21, 2017, 09:57:40 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 21, 2017, 09:50:20 PM
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on December 21, 2017, 09:41:41 PM
Monday is 25 December. That is Christmas Day. It also happens to be Jesus' birthday. It is all written in The Holy Bible. That is the document recording the actual words of the deity. Absolutely billions of people read it. Therefore God exists.
The conception the 8th and birth 25th. Miracle. I always thought it was because of the Pagan Winter Solstice worship? Most Christian festival are just bastardised versions of pre existing ones.
Your misunderstandings aren't helping things.
I forgot sex is a sin so Mary couldn't be the product of it. It's funny that shepards were supposedly caring for their flock in Winter. It's almost if December was chosen so existing Pagan beliefs could be exploited. Religion hasn't changed much.
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 21, 2017, 07:54:10 PM
In the Bible story of the birth of Jesus there the whole story about the census thing which never happened in them days. A nonsense story book. Work of fiction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Census_of_Quirinius
Quote from: dec on December 21, 2017, 10:04:07 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 21, 2017, 07:54:10 PM
In the Bible story of the birth of Jesus there the whole story about the census thing which never happened in them days. A nonsense story book. Work of fiction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Census_of_Quirinius
So the mistake is the mention of Herod?
Don't mention Herod ffs. He's a nutter.
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 21, 2017, 10:02:48 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 21, 2017, 09:57:40 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 21, 2017, 09:50:20 PM
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on December 21, 2017, 09:41:41 PM
Monday is 25 December. That is Christmas Day. It also happens to be Jesus' birthday. It is all written in The Holy Bible. That is the document recording the actual words of the deity. Absolutely billions of people read it. Therefore God exists.
The conception the 8th and birth 25th. Miracle. I always thought it was because of the Pagan Winter Solstice worship? Most Christian festival are just bastardised versions of pre existing ones.
Your misunderstandings aren't helping things.
I forgot sex is a sin so Mary couldn't be the product of it.
Immaculate Conception is that Mary was conceived without Original Sin.
You don't seem too well up on this subject ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on December 21, 2017, 11:37:55 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 21, 2017, 10:02:48 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 21, 2017, 09:57:40 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 21, 2017, 09:50:20 PM
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on December 21, 2017, 09:41:41 PM
Monday is 25 December. That is Christmas Day. It also happens to be Jesus' birthday. It is all written in The Holy Bible. That is the document recording the actual words of the deity. Absolutely billions of people read it. Therefore God exists.
The conception the 8th and birth 25th. Miracle. I always thought it was because of the Pagan Winter Solstice worship? Most Christian festival are just bastardised versions of pre existing ones.
Your misunderstandings aren't helping things.
I forgot sex is a sin so Mary couldn't be the product of it.
Immaculate Conception is that Mary was conceived without Original Sin.
You don't seem too well up on this subject ::)
If scientology came up with these stories you'd say they're crazy.
We all know Christmas is used to commemorate the birth of Jesus,that's the important bit,not the precise time and date.
But do you discount Jesus' death and resurrection? If this happened it is irrefutable proof of God's existence.
"If this happened"? Wavering a bit, are we?
At Christmas time too? Tut tut.
Think the papal visit is badly needed, to bolster the ould faith.
Quote from: T Fearon on December 22, 2017, 02:27:06 AM
We all know Christmas is used to commemorate the birth of Jesus,that's the important bit,not the precise time and date.
But do you discount Jesus' death and resurrection? If this happened it is irrefutable proof of God's existence.
Your equivalent in Shillong says that Shiva is God.
How would you determine who is right?
And what about the Cailleach?
If the crucifixtion and resurrection is a fairy tale the myth has endured for a long time.If it is not then it is irrefutable proof of God's existence.Simple as that.
Did you mean "Crucifixion"??
If you're going to pontificate, you would have thought you would at least know how to get the spelling correct of the central tenet of the belief system that you're spouting about.
Ooooops, back to catechism classes.
During my state visit to Dublin on Tuesday I was also greatly encouraged to see the large outdoor crib on display at Dundrum Shopping Centre.A welcome reminder to the thousands entering and exiting of the real meaning of Christmas.
......as they trample over each other rushing in to worship at a Cathedral of Secular Consumerism......
Proper religion. The Cailleach would approve.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/22/new-zealand-gives-mount-taranaki-same-legal-rights-as-a-person
"Mount Taranaki in New Zealand is to be granted the same legal rights as a person, becoming the third geographic feature in the country to be granted a "legal personality".
Eight local Māori tribes and the government will share guardianship of the sacred mountain on the west coast of the North Island, in a long-awaited acknowledgement of the indigenous people's relationship to the mountain, who view it as an ancestor and whanau, or family member.
New Zealand river granted same legal rights as human being
The new status of the mountain means if someone abuses or harms it, it is the same legally as harming the tribe.
In the record of understanding signed this week, Mount Taranaki will become "a legal personality, in its own right", said the minister for treaty negotiations, Andrew Little, gaining similar rights to the Whanganui river, which was granted legal personhood earlier this year."
Christianity is backward when it comes to environmental issues. Too much energy is wasted policing sex as well
Great to see Leo Varadker has officially confirmed that Ireland will be at Pope Francis' disposal next year!👍👍
And that the 2 of them will be going to Belfast Pride.
Basically the Pope will have the run of the place.Papal Mass in Croke Park? No problem! Great to see.
Will he be blessing the Holy Stone of Clonrickard too?