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It's actually getting to be quite impressive how Angelo can be bothered with all these rows on different threads on an internet forum. He is going to need to give a man a start or employ a secretary to keep up with it all. Serious effort.

It looks that way at first.

Then you realise that every post on a topic is just a clone of the previous one - Big Pharma! Big Pharma! Big Pharma!

Sometimes it seems like a standard trolling exercise, other times you'd worry about him.

He has a point though - some serious profiteering going on here.  Prof Ugur Sahin, BioNTech co-founder on the Andrew Marr show had no answer to how long immunity would last, or if it would stop transmission yet we have lads on here queuing up to get it.  One question no one is answering (maybe they did but I can't be arsed reading back through the pages I have missed)  is surely it is against the human rights of Care Home residents to have this forced upon them especially as the usual 10 year vaccine has been rushed through in 10 months, and if there is side effects and these poor souls die would anyone care, they seem to be collateral damage.

The reason there is rush is because it is impacting the world's economy at billion dollar levels and killing people at levels of millions.

Therefore there is money to be made. So this is why is worthwhile for companies to put the investment in to take a chance on a new kind of vaccine (mRNA). This allows for the faster development.

https://www.wired.com/story/why-its-a-big-deal-if-the-first-covid-vaccine-is-genetic/

"Since small companies like BioNTech, Moderna, and Inovio began developing genetic vaccines about 10 years ago, that speed has always been the brightest of its promises. The faster you can make and test vaccines, the faster you can respond to outbreaks of new diseases. But with any novel approach comes risk—risks that the vaccine won't work well or, worse, that it harms someone, and millions of dollars will be wasted on a technology that turns out to be a flop. Until this year, major vaccine developers had shied away from genetic vaccines. Before 2020, only 12 mRNA vaccines ever made it to human trials. None were approved. Then came the coronavirus.

"Before the pandemic, there weren't the financial incentives or the opportunities for the big pharmaceutical companies to get involved," says Peter Hotez, a vaccine researcher and dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine.

Now you have 2 different companies posting similar results with a similar method - that at least demonstrates repeatability.

You really don't know very much about American politics do you?

Keep sneering, keep living in that fantasy world of la la, keep projecting Nazism onto others

It's no wonder Trump lost

You need to start living in the real world

Nobody who does takes you seriously

They might not like what I have to say but deep down they know I'm right

I had a good laugh last night when I read this interview with Gabriel Byrne who's live here for decades

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/catholicism-thrives-on-fear-gabriel-byrne-speaks-about-sexual-abuse-he-suffered-at-the-hands-of-the-church-in-his-memoir-39724722.html

The Usual Suspects star also spoke about the failures of the Democratic Party in really understanding the anger of the working class in America.

"This is the second time they've come up against a gameshow host and they've learned nothing. Again they seriously underestimated the level of anger among mostly blue-collar workers

"At least it's the end of that guy but, personally, I can't stand Biden. An exceptionalist roaring about America as the moral leader of the world, all this crap. You can't appeal to people in Maine or Wisconsin or Michigan by saying this is a battle for the soul of America. It's just political garbage.

So a millionaire actor who lives in Brooklyn Heights know the wants of the people of Wisconsin?

Tucker reckons Joe Biden is a hologram and that big tech and corporate America are behind the projector!!!

But y'know the liberals are crazy 

Turned turned him on - great craic.

Given Trumps remarks about veterans and also his general demeanour I would imagine that he would not be favoured by military men. They are not red-neck, sister shaggers with guns like a lot of his supporters.

A lot of them sister shaggers? Thats a ridiculous comment. Plently of ordinary folk vote for Trump for numerous different reasons. Plenty of ordinary folk vote for Biden for numerous different reasons too.

Fair point, but I also think it's fair to say Trump probably won the sister shagging demographic.

I hope your right, but not sure they'd even have the chance to have seen that stuff.

Is he gonna ramble from now till January?

[2% of Georgia is almost 100,000. so Biden would need 60% of the vote.]

Down to a 120k gap in PA, but only 35k votes left in Pittsburgh's county, which are just subject to investigation.

Georgia gap down to 14k, but 98% now in.

Nailbiter.

2% of Georgia is almost 100,000. so Biden would need 60% of the vote. Some of the Atlanta suburbs have a bit to go and he has been getting that percentage.

Of the 61,367 votes that were announced to be outstanding a couple of hours back (I know a small amount of votes have come in since that), we have a detailed knowledge of which counties they come from and how much from each county

If the mail in ballots broke at the exact same rates that the current total votes in the relevant counties are at, Biden would get 34,294 out of those 61,367

That would not be enough

He has to hit 39,756 out of 61,367 - I make that 64.7%

But mail in ballots are breaking disproportionately for Biden compared to the total vote

So it's doable

Not certain, but doable

I have a weird feeling that one state is going to be very narrowly Biden and will flip to Trump on military votes that come in next week. That said I've not idea how many military votes to expect - but Georgia seems like a place that would have a good few.

Liar in chief is going off now.

The lefts lunacy is on show at the hearings with the bullshit about sexual preference or sexual orientation, this is the lunacy biden supporters want to unleash on the country .

North of Ireland vs Northern Ireland. No difference right?

Is this the most toxic thread on the board? I know we have a few ex pats living there and that's fine, but I fail to see the immediate interests of locals here on a country that really plays no large part in our political lives.

It is pretty toxic.

I am very definitely a liberal lefty. I can still see that some on my side of the debate go too far. I can also see that some are driven to it by Trump and his supporters who adopt the same tactics.

Some no doubt do it because they know it will get a reaction.

But genuinely I believe I can stand over my contention that the standard of debate and behaviour is infinitely worse on the right. That is the way the evidence stacks up anyhow

This board, as far as politics are concerned, is by and large dominated by the left, though. And it's still toxic. 

all name calling and personal abuse comes from the more liberal side of the argument especially on this thread.

This thread is like listening to Nolan or Talkback.  It's about themmuns.  The language used by adversaries in the US debate between liberals and conservatives is pure tribalism and no different to the local discussion between themmuns and usuns.  Some of the stuff on here is embarrassing. 

It's actually weird to see Irish people investing in this tribalism when it could be argued that it isn't their fight.  But I suppose it is if you are living there.  But this talk of Libtards and Rethuglicans, which I have seen on this thread is depressing and its been going on for years. It's like monkey see, monkey do! It's now permeating Irish and UK politics. 

At the extremes, one side is as bad as the other! Because at the extremes, people are burned by their own side for taking a more centrist position, even if that position would have been seen as heavily left or right in a historical context. 

We are seeing this tribalism or balkanisation of global politics and this thread is only a microcosm of it.  People are slipping (or are being manipulated) into taking increasingly extreme views on a whole range of issues, either to the left or right, whether it be on social, economic, gender or health issues. They are increasingly living in echo bubbles where they just want their own views validated and they are increasingly threatened by counter-opinions and the language of their response, is increasingly ugly and less reasoned.  People's perception of where the centre is, has moved significantly, because of these echo bubbles and this, among other factors, leads to disturbing threads like this.

Some of the principal contributors on this thread could do with taking time away from the computer and TV.  If for six months, the same time went into reading reading decent literature, philosophy and political science, they would come back with a whole new world view.  Perhaps a whole lot more nuanced and a lot less black and white. 

Instead, they are reading the wrong stuff right now and many won't have the wit to realise that I'm talking about them and not themmuns.

The sects have formed an the US is definitely a sectarian country now. Right down to the 'oh my mate Rob, he's a Republican (but he's alright)'.

I live in the states so if it was one from here I honestly dunno..... a U.K one maybe... Something that the Swiss and Germans are taking - sign me right up.

Fox News, after falsely hyping the Seattle CHAZ thing and using altered photos, sensed there might be trouble behind the scenes and an uprising against the (to quote Gmac and Fox) "warlord" leader, apparently called Raz.

Except they based it all on a Reddit thread quoting directly from The Holy Grail! 


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/fox-news-monty-python-joke-seattle-protests-a9565506.html?jwsource=cl
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/fox-news-monty-python-joke-seattle-protests-a9565506.html

Wait until they hear about the Downtown Anarchists Violence Exchange. When CHAZ n DAVE get together it could be a right old anarchistic knees up.

So back to your claim about the New York Times not covering the story

https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anytimes.com+Colinford+Mattis

When I google it and it doesn't  come up (petrol bomber bail attorney ny times)

But here's  what I said "but so far they don't seem to have reported it"

Damn immigrants, you need to learn to speak American whitey. Petrol bomb = molotov cocktail

[What on earth is the justification for anyone having that?!?]

Just in case the police come along with an armoured car.

What on earth is the justification for anyone having that?!?

The same lot are nowhere to be seen right when the scenario envisaged by the founding fathers that resulted in the 2nd amendment is here. A government oppressing its people.


At which point you wonder, whats the point of the 2nd amendment?

What kind of normal person would want to buy something like that?

In what normal setting would one even be able to buy something like that?

It could be a prop - his mate with him had a wooden replica of a 50 caliber machine gun

Yeah here are the patriots in question, included one chap who is evidently on his way to a massive plumbing project and is asking a black family for directions.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article242628341.html

Just watched a video of looters in a what looked like a Nike store, dirty scumbags

Why are you concerned about people lifting a few pairs of shoes that cost $5 to get made in China? I'd rather it didn't happen but not high on my list of priorities compared to police killing people.

So are you not concerned or agreeing with looters?

And what have looters got to do with peaceful protesters? I seen loads of white people heading into the shop multiple times, scumbags.

If you see the differentiation fair enough, I might have picked you up wrong. For too many the looting is used as a brush to tar all protesters.

Stop police murdering people and then have a president who isn't encouraging police brutality as a response to police murder, once we get that sorted if there is still looting we can address it.