Christy Ring 09

[Gnevin]

That's brutal for Westmeath, but great result for Kildare. Is there any back door in the CR, or are Westmeath done for the summer now?

"The shock of the day was in Cusack Park, Mullingar as recently crowned Division 3A league champions Kildare despatched last year's beaten Christy Ring Cup finalists Westmeath into the back-door route."
http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/kildare-carlow-kerry-and-down-victorious-in-christy-ring-cup-410156.html

[AZOffaly]

That's brutal for Westmeath, but great result for Kildare. Is there any back door in the CR, or are Westmeath done for the summer now?

"The shock of the day was in Cusack Park, Mullingar as recently crowned Division 3A league champions Kildare despatched last year's beaten Christy Ring Cup finalists Westmeath into the back-door route."
http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/kildare-carlow-kerry-and-down-victorious-in-christy-ring-cup-410156.html

Not such a disaster then. I'd still expect them to be featuring towards the end.

[Bogball XV]

I still don't understand why:
1. The Ring isn't played off pre All Ireland Hurling qualifiers, with the winners given a slot in there somewhere - it doesn't matter if they're hammered, this would have to be the optimum time for that team to play in the higher competition.  They've just won a weaker competition, they've presumably had a few competitive games, they've got exactly the same squad and they're on a high.
2.  All Leinster/Conaught/Ulster/Munster sides get the chance to play in their provincial championships - (seeded in the way that Ulster is to keep hammerings to a minimum, and teams need not opt in).
3. Winners of Ulster/Connaught arer't entitled to play in Leinster instead of Galway/Antrim being nominated.
4. Why only one team is relegated from Div 1, why can't the second bottom team play-off with the second team in div 2?

In my view the present systems are maintained because the strong hurling counties want to keep themselves strong and the strong football counties are quite happy for that to be the case.  They talk about promoting hurling, but the vast majority of county boards are happy with the status quo.

[Gnevin]

I still don't understand why:
1. The Ring isn't played off pre All Ireland Hurling qualifiers, with the winners given a slot in there somewhere - it doesn't matter if they're hammered, this would have to be the optimum time for that team to play in the higher competition.  They've just won a weaker competition, they've presumably had a few competitive games, they've got exactly the same squad and they're on a high.
2.  All Leinster/Conaught/Ulster/Munster sides get the chance to play in their provincial championships - (seeded in the way that Ulster is to keep hammerings to a minimum, and teams need not opt in).
3. Winners of Ulster/Connaught arer't entitled to play in Leinster instead of Galway/Antrim being nominated.
4. Why only one team is relegated from Div 1, why can't the second bottom team play-off with the second team in div 2?

In my view the present systems are maintained because the strong hurling counties want to keep themselves strong and the strong football counties are quite happy for that to be the case.  They talk about promoting hurling, but the vast majority of county boards are happy with the status quo.

What good does 40+ point hammering do anyone?  Kerry V  X Munster Championship a pointless , possible 50 point hammering that doesn't help either side.

[muppet]

My Leinster Championship would be , preliminary round
1 Carlow
2 Kildare
3 Longford
4 Louth
5 Meath
6 Westmeath
7 Wicklow
8 Fingal

9 1 V 8
10 2 V 7
11 3 V 6
12 4 V 5

13  9 V 10
14 11V 12

15 13 V14

13 and 14 enter Leinster unless 13 or 14 is  Fingal then the semi-finalist they beat enter .


Leinster proper

   
1 Dublin
2 Kilkenny
3 Laois
4 Offaly
5 Wexford
6 Antrim
7 Galway
8 Winners of 13
9 Winners of 14

Straight quarter finals  with a play off for the extra team. Unseeded draw too.

The problem with that is what do the likes of Kerry and Mayo do in the Championship if Carlow, Wicklow, Westmeath etc are playing in Leinster?

The divisional way with promotion to and relegation from the Liam McCarthy is the way forward. There will be hammerings but that is always the way in sport.

You still play the tier 2 to 4 cups . This just gives Leinster counties a chance to compete in Leinster.
Infact since everyone is moving around maybe Kerry could compete in a non Galway connaught?

That would solve a problem that doesn't exist in Leinster and create massive problems for the other three provinces. At the moment Mayo and Kerry are the only two flying the flag at this level outside Ulster and Leinster. Mayo, after twice achieving promotion, have twice been relegated recently, not by points but by restructuring. They are competitive at this level as are Kerry, Westmeath, Kildare, Carlow etc. What is the point in throwing all that away just to have a fuller preliminary round in the Leinster Championship that will not change the winners from the 3 or 4 contenders anyway?

Why is it almost anti-Irish to agree with a multi-tiered system of Championship? Particularly in hurling?

[Gnevin]

My Leinster Championship would be , preliminary round
1 Carlow
2 Kildare
3 Longford
4 Louth
5 Meath
6 Westmeath
7 Wicklow
8 Fingal

9 1 V 8
10 2 V 7
11 3 V 6
12 4 V 5

13  9 V 10
14 11V 12

15 13 V14

13 and 14 enter Leinster unless 13 or 14 is  Fingal then the semi-finalist they beat enter .


Leinster proper

   
1 Dublin
2 Kilkenny
3 Laois
4 Offaly
5 Wexford
6 Antrim
7 Galway
8 Winners of 13
9 Winners of 14

Straight quarter finals  with a play off for the extra team. Unseeded draw too.

The problem with that is what do the likes of Kerry and Mayo do in the Championship if Carlow, Wicklow, Westmeath etc are playing in Leinster?

The divisional way with promotion to and relegation from the Liam McCarthy is the way forward. There will be hammerings but that is always the way in sport.

You still play the tier 2 to 4 cups . This just gives Leinster counties a chance to compete in Leinster.
Infact since everyone is moving around maybe Kerry could compete in a non Galway connaught?

That would solve a problem that doesn't exist in Leinster and create massive problems for the other three provinces. At the moment Mayo and Kerry are the only two flying the flag at this level outside Ulster and Leinster. Mayo, after twice achieving promotion, have twice been relegated recently, not by points but by restructuring. They are competitive at this level as are Kerry, Westmeath, Kildare, Carlow etc. What is the point in throwing all that away just to have a fuller preliminary round in the Leinster Championship that will not change the winners from the 3 or 4 contenders anyway?

Why is it almost anti-Irish to agree with a multi-tiered system of Championship? Particularly in hurling?

Muppet read what I am saying . You still play the tier 2 to 4 cups . A preliminary would only take 3 weeks .

[muppet]

My Leinster Championship would be , preliminary round
1 Carlow
2 Kildare
3 Longford
4 Louth
5 Meath
6 Westmeath
7 Wicklow
8 Fingal

9 1 V 8
10 2 V 7
11 3 V 6
12 4 V 5

13  9 V 10
14 11V 12

15 13 V14

13 and 14 enter Leinster unless 13 or 14 is  Fingal then the semi-finalist they beat enter .


Leinster proper

   
1 Dublin
2 Kilkenny
3 Laois
4 Offaly
5 Wexford
6 Antrim
7 Galway
8 Winners of 13
9 Winners of 14

Straight quarter finals  with a play off for the extra team. Unseeded draw too.

The problem with that is what do the likes of Kerry and Mayo do in the Championship if Carlow, Wicklow, Westmeath etc are playing in Leinster?

The divisional way with promotion to and relegation from the Liam McCarthy is the way forward. There will be hammerings but that is always the way in sport.

You still play the tier 2 to 4 cups . This just gives Leinster counties a chance to compete in Leinster.
Infact since everyone is moving around maybe Kerry could compete in a non Galway connaught?

That would solve a problem that doesn't exist in Leinster and create massive problems for the other three provinces. At the moment Mayo and Kerry are the only two flying the flag at this level outside Ulster and Leinster. Mayo, after twice achieving promotion, have twice been relegated recently, not by points but by restructuring. They are competitive at this level as are Kerry, Westmeath, Kildare, Carlow etc. What is the point in throwing all that away just to have a fuller preliminary round in the Leinster Championship that will not change the winners from the 3 or 4 contenders anyway?

Why is it almost anti-Irish to agree with a multi-tiered system of Championship? Particularly in hurling?

Muppet read what I am saying . You still play the tier 2 to 4 cups . A preliminary would only take 3 weeks .

When? It's not possible to do it during the other Championship so that would mean Spring or Autumn which would see it go the way of the poorly attended League or wore the Railway Cup. If it is to be a proper Championship it should be the only show in town for those teams, not some hamfisted fudge.

[Gnevin]

When?

May 3 ,10 and 17 ?
May 3 ,17 and 31?

[Bogball XV]

I still don't understand why:
1. The Ring isn't played off pre All Ireland Hurling qualifiers, with the winners given a slot in there somewhere - it doesn't matter if they're hammered, this would have to be the optimum time for that team to play in the higher competition.  They've just won a weaker competition, they've presumably had a few competitive games, they've got exactly the same squad and they're on a high.
2.  All Leinster/Conaught/Ulster/Munster sides get the chance to play in their provincial championships - (seeded in the way that Ulster is to keep hammerings to a minimum, and teams need not opt in).
3. Winners of Ulster/Connaught arer't entitled to play in Leinster instead of Galway/Antrim being nominated.
4. Why only one team is relegated from Div 1, why can't the second bottom team play-off with the second team in div 2?

In my view the present systems are maintained because the strong hurling counties want to keep themselves strong and the strong football counties are quite happy for that to be the case.  They talk about promoting hurling, but the vast majority of county boards are happy with the status quo.

What good does 40+ point hammering do anyone?  Kerry V  X Munster Championship a pointless , possible 50 point hammering that doesn't help either side.

Kerry beat Waterford in 1991 (or around then). 
What I'm trying to point out is that if Antrim are being invited to play in Leinster (McCarthy cup) why not word it slightly differently and say Ulster Champions instead - what would the problem be with that?
Why can the Ring champions not get a crack at some of the mccarthy lads in the early qualifying rounds?
Do you think the current system has led to a lack of interest in Westmeath because of the injustices they've suffered over the last few years?

It wouldn't take too much thought to make the system fair, and it wouldn't involve many extra games either.

[muppet]

When?

May 3 ,10 and 17 ?
May 3 ,17 and 31?

That would become their priority for the season. And where does that leave the Christy Ring for them?

[Gnevin]

When?

May 3 ,10 and 17 ?
May 3 ,17 and 31?

That would become their priority for the season. And where does that leave the Christy Ring for them?

Winners of the Ring would get into the Liam and avoid the Leinster qualifiers next year thus keeping the Ring as important

[muppet]

When?

May 3 ,10 and 17 ?
May 3 ,17 and 31?

That would become their priority for the season. And where does that leave the Christy Ring for them?

Winners of the Ring would get into the Liam and avoid the Leinster qualifiers next year thus keeping the Ring as important

So 2 Championships then for the Leinster Ringers and one for the rest?

[Gnevin]

When?

May 3 ,10 and 17 ?
May 3 ,17 and 31?

That would become their priority for the season. And where does that leave the Christy Ring for them?

Winners of the Ring would get into the Liam and avoid the Leinster qualifiers next year thus keeping the Ring as important

So 2 Championships then for the Leinster Ringers and one for the rest?

Who's the rest Kerry + Connacht - Galway ?
Antrim play in two , Westmeath played in Leinster and the Ring cup .

[muppet]

When?

May 3 ,10 and 17 ?
May 3 ,17 and 31?

That would become their priority for the season. And where does that leave the Christy Ring for them?

Winners of the Ring would get into the Liam and avoid the Leinster qualifiers next year thus keeping the Ring as important

So 2 Championships then for the Leinster Ringers and one for the rest?

Who's the rest Kerry + Connaught - Galway ?
Antrim play in two , Westmeath played in Leinster and the Ring cup .

Mayo. You are fighting on lots of fronts tonight, I'll close this one.

[Gnevin]

When?

May 3 ,10 and 17 ?
May 3 ,17 and 31?

That would become their priority for the season. And where does that leave the Christy Ring for them?

Winners of the Ring would get into the Liam and avoid the Leinster qualifiers next year thus keeping the Ring as important

So 2 Championships then for the Leinster Ringers and one for the rest?

Who's the rest Kerry + Connacht- Galway ?
Antrim play in two , Westmeath played in Leinster and the Ring cup .

Mayo. You are fighting on lots of fronts tonight, I'll close this one.

Jasus when did this turn in to the GAA love in board.  If you consider this fighting maybe it's best to move on I though where where having a rare and decent Hurling discussion.
If you wish too carry on would  Kerry + Connacht- Galway under the banner of the Connacht Championship not be a runner ?