Is Derry GAA in disarray?
I am not sure but I get a feeling this year that just too much seems disorganised, there is a lot more controversy around and that grassroots members are turning their backs on the association because of perceived corruption and general skulduggery.
Continuous reports of referees not showing up, fixtures postponed over and over, red cards rescinded etc. The CCC are almost Mafia Like.
Football continues to decline in quality and hurling is without a doubt under attack from board.
I liken the Derry GAA scene to the unfortunate economic scene in The Republic. The South lost the run of itself and have ended up forgetting about that which made it admired worldwide. The Derry Gaa have forgotten the basic values of the association and if we are not careful we could implode!
You are talking balls!
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on October 01, 2010, 11:18:21 PM
You are talking balls!
Thanks for your valued input :D.Baile Eochaidh Man. Keep toeing the line sir. Youse boys are all brainwashed
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 01, 2010, 10:59:40 PM
Is Derry GAA in disarray?
I am not sure but I get a feeling this year that just too much seems disorganised, there is a lot more controversy around and that grassroots members are turning their backs on the association because of perceived corruption and general skulduggery.
Continuous reports of referees not showing up, fixtures postponed over and over, red cards rescinded etc. The CCC are almost Mafia Like.
Football continues to decline in quality and hurling is without a doubt under attack from board.
I liken the Derry GAA scene to the unfortunate economic scene in The Republic. The South lost the run of itself and have ended up forgetting about that which made it admired worldwide. The Derry Gaa have forgotten the basic values of the association and if we are not careful we could implode!
There is a definite change of emphasis at county board level. I have to say that the leadership in the new County Board this year is much better than previous in that they are much more in tune with the needs of the grass roots of the association
ie the clubs. The chairman is an absolute gentleman who seems to be wholly interested in the needs of all clubs right across the county. There will only be improvement on the county scene when the needs of clubs are addressed. Remember the county is an amalgamation of all the clubs! John Keenan and his team are definitely moving in the right direction.
you have to think a certain amount of what fear is saying is true,when a well respected member of the ccc resigns saying and i quote "he never seen as much corruption in his life as there is within the county board" says it all.
Certain aspects of this years new CB have been ok but a lot of what they have worked with this year has been inherited (sub-committee's, Snior Football manger, structures). Next year John Keenan really has to take a good luck at a few things.
CCC and the hearings debacle has been a complete farce along with underage fixtures which has been double the farce. While he may or may not be directly involved with these things i don't know but when things fail people always turn to the boss to look for answers as he is ultimately responsible, so JK, as a school report some aspects go as a decent performance but with the above problems it is a massive " could do better ". Next year the Chairman will come under more scrutiny no doubt as he will now have the feet under the table and it will be solely his baby. Lets hope he gets it right.
To be honest, I can't do better than TFAL's response, but I'll try...
Whilst I question the motivation of someone starting a thread like this, I'd agree with the summary given by onthepitch. Everyone knows there is still a job of work to do around some of the things mentioned. All administrations in their first year need time to bed in. However, massive strides have been taken this year with a complete change in emphasis and the manner of doing things, and we're on the right path with the right people in charge. If you knew what you were talking about or ever spoke with the chairman and vice-chairman you would know their commitment and sincerity towards the cause and you wouldn't be starting threads like this.
I think the basic values of the association are alive and well in Derry. I would count one of those values as loyalty to the democratic voice of the clubs which is what was heard less than twelve months ago when the clubs overwhelmingly got the changes in the county board that they wanted. Your attempt to undermine that on an anonymous forum says more about your own values than anything else. Your use of the words "corruption" and "skullduggery" are also a disgrace even if you attempt to lessen them with "perceived".
Quote from: sheamy on October 02, 2010, 01:13:49 PM
To be honest, I can't do better than TFAL's response, but I'll try...
Whilst I question the motivation of someone starting a thread like this, I'd agree with the summary given by onthepitch. Everyone knows there is still a job of work to do around some of the things mentioned. All administrations in their first year need time to bed in. However, massive strides have been taken this year with a complete change in emphasis and the manner of doing things, and we're on the right path with the right people in charge. If you knew what you were talking about or ever spoke with the chairman and vice-chairman you would know their commitment and sincerity towards the cause and you wouldn't be starting threads like this.
I think the basic values of the association are alive and well in Derry. I would count one of those values as loyalty to the democratic voice of the clubs which is what was heard less than twelve months ago when the clubs overwhelmingly got the changes in the county board that they wanted. Your attempt to undermine that on an anonymous forum says more about your own values than anything else. Your use of the words "corruption" and "skullduggery" are also a disgrace even if you attempt to lessen them with "perceived".
Seamus my friend
Feel free to question my motivation for starting this thread, because I will not shy away from giving my answer. I merely want to gauge people's opinion's on a subject that I think a lot of people are interested in-thats it, nothing else, so lets not suggest that its anything more than that. I have made no personal attacks on the chairman and I know that he has inherited a lot of old/bad baggage but that does not mean that the question shouldn't be posed at this time.I do know what I am talking about Sheamy, are you aware that 3 qfinals in the intermediate hurling c'ship were postponed because the referees never showed. Were you aware that Coleraine and Lavey stood awaiting a u 16 shield hurling semi last week and no referee showed? You must be related to one of these guys, because you are taking this thread really bad.
The reason I choose to remain anonymous is because if you named yourself or club there is a feeling that your club could be dragged over the coals in the long run by board-unfortunate but reality if you are from small club. My values are clear they include fairness,equality,honesty and sportmanship-some of these are scare in today's Derry GAA scene
Fear, I've no interest in a slanging match so am not going to get into one. The central point you've made seems to be that there is a lack of hurling referees in the county or a lack of organisation amongst them and/or the CCC. I wouldn't condone that for a second and that surely needs looked at. Does that really warrant "Derry Board Out of Control"? I'm not related to anyone next or near a county board. I just hate to see wide sweeping statements made which plainly ignore tonnes of good constructive work that is being done, and also when there's far better means and ways to get what you want changed actually done. No-one in their right mind would take a vendetta against anyone for raising the valid points you're making there. No-one in their right mind could dismiss them either. Let's be positive, not negative about getting changes made. And sure if you're really stuck, you can always call in the lawyers like they do across the sperrins ;D
Quote from: sheamy on October 02, 2010, 04:40:29 PM
Fear, I've no interest in a slanging match so am not going to get into one. The central point you've made seems to be that there is a lack of hurling referees in the county or a lack of organisation amongst them and/or the CCC. I wouldn't condone that for a second and that surely needs looked at. Does that really warrant "Derry Board Out of Control"? I'm not related to anyone next or near a county board. I just hate to see wide sweeping statements made which plainly ignore tonnes of good constructive work that is being done, and also when there's far better means and ways to get what you want changed actually done. No-one in their right mind would take a vendetta against anyone for raising the valid points you're making there. No-one in their right mind could dismiss them either. Let's be positive, not negative about getting changes made. And sure if you're really stuck, you can always call in the lawyers like they do across the sperrins ;D
No interest either in slanging match. My choice of thread title could have been a bit tamer but It was not meant to be an "across the board" swipe at everyone on Derry Board- excuse the pun. It was just meant to spark a debate.
I understand that J Keenan is up for change but there is some dead wood about and they are making things hard for the newer, more constructive people. I am positive, just temporarily upset :)
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 01, 2010, 10:59:40 PM
Is Derry GAA in disarray?
I am not sure but I get a feeling this year that just too much seems disorganised, there is a lot more controversy around and that grassroots members are turning their backs on the association because of perceived corruption and general skulduggery.
Continuous reports of referees not showing up, fixtures postponed over and over, red cards rescinded etc. The CCC are almost Mafia Like.
Football continues to decline in quality and hurling is without a doubt under attack from board.
I liken the Derry GAA scene to the unfortunate economic scene in The Republic. The South lost the run of itself and have ended up forgetting about that which made it admired worldwide. The Derry Gaa have forgotten the basic values of the association and if we are not careful we could implode!
Didn't realise that Munster has an Independent economy.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 02, 2010, 08:01:19 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 01, 2010, 10:59:40 PM
Is Derry GAA in disarray?
I am not sure but I get a feeling this year that just too much seems disorganised, there is a lot more controversy around and that grassroots members are turning their backs on the association because of perceived corruption and general skulduggery.
Continuous reports of referees not showing up, fixtures postponed over and over, red cards rescinded etc. The CCC are almost Mafia Like.
Football continues to decline in quality and hurling is without a doubt under attack from board.
I liken the Derry GAA scene to the unfortunate economic scene in The Republic. The South lost the run of itself and have ended up forgetting about that which made it admired worldwide. The Derry Gaa have forgotten the basic values of the association and if we are not careful we could implode!
Didn't realise that Munster has an Independent economy.
Bit lazy on my part lad. I do realise that the most northern part of our country is in the Republic etc etc.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 01, 2010, 10:59:40 PM
Is Derry GAA in disarray?
I am not sure but I get a feeling this year that just too much seems disorganised, there is a lot more controversy around and that grassroots members are turning their backs on the association because of perceived corruption and general skulduggery.
Continuous reports of referees not showing up, fixtures postponed over and over, red cards rescinded etc. The CCC are almost Mafia Like.
Football continues to decline in quality and hurling is without a doubt under attack from board.
I liken the Derry GAA scene to the unfortunate economic scene in The Republic. The South lost the run of itself and have ended up forgetting about that which made it admired worldwide. The Derry Gaa have forgotten the basic values of the association and if we are not careful we could implode!
I couldnt agree with you more as a neutral i got a snippet at the intermediate county final today....steelstown were absolutely ROBBED...i have never seen the likes of it in my life,i would never let neon e belonging to me play in derry football to be treated like that city team was treated today it was DISGUSTING to watch.......
armaghdaisy why did you delete your other post under another alias on the Derry club thread straight after the game ?
It's obvious you aren't from Armagh so wind your neck in, wasn't at the game so can't comment on the refs performance.
gimp...sori dennisthemenace
i was in fact at the match and the referee was disgusting,national anthem sung by a fella from castledawson...referee had to be escorted off the pitch...
As for IP address, there was no alias I have had this profile for a number of years I stopped using this for a while and was in fact so angered by what i saw in celtic park today i had to come on and speak about it.
As someone who is heavily involved and interested in football BROLLY IS A DISGRACE so I'll say what i like menace
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 02, 2010, 08:01:19 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 01, 2010, 10:59:40 PM
Is Derry GAA in disarray?
I am not sure but I get a feeling this year that just too much seems disorganised, there is a lot more controversy around and that grassroots members are turning their backs on the association because of perceived corruption and general skulduggery.
Continuous reports of referees not showing up, fixtures postponed over and over, red cards rescinded etc. The CCC are almost Mafia Like.
Football continues to decline in quality and hurling is without a doubt under attack from board.
I liken the Derry GAA scene to the unfortunate economic scene in The Republic. The South lost the run of itself and have ended up forgetting about that which made it admired worldwide. The Derry Gaa have forgotten the basic values of the association and if we are not careful we could implode!
Didn't realise that Munster has an Independent economy.
presumably you never refer to 'the north' or use the term 'nordies' etc
and if you do - are you referring to Donegal or even Antrim ?
bottom line - dont be silly chap !!
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 03, 2010, 11:38:51 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 02, 2010, 08:01:19 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 01, 2010, 10:59:40 PM
Is Derry GAA in disarray?
I am not sure but I get a feeling this year that just too much seems disorganised, there is a lot more controversy around and that grassroots members are turning their backs on the association because of perceived corruption and general skulduggery.
Continuous reports of referees not showing up, fixtures postponed over and over, red cards rescinded etc. The CCC are almost Mafia Like.
Football continues to decline in quality and hurling is without a doubt under attack from board.
I liken the Derry GAA scene to the unfortunate economic scene in The Republic. The South lost the run of itself and have ended up forgetting about that which made it admired worldwide. The Derry Gaa have forgotten the basic values of the association and if we are not careful we could implode!
Didn't realise that Munster has an Independent economy.
presumably you never refer to 'the north' or use the term 'nordies' etc
and if you do - are you referring to Donegal or even Antrim ?
bottom line - dont be silly chap !!
Well Lynchboy I call I usually use the provincial names, or North and Republic. Anways I was in fierce bad form the last two days, so I apologise for being so pedantic. When people call the Republic the South it really grinds my gears.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 03, 2010, 12:29:40 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 03, 2010, 11:38:51 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 02, 2010, 08:01:19 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 01, 2010, 10:59:40 PM
Is Derry GAA in disarray?
I am not sure but I get a feeling this year that just too much seems disorganised, there is a lot more controversy around and that grassroots members are turning their backs on the association because of perceived corruption and general skulduggery.
Continuous reports of referees not showing up, fixtures postponed over and over, red cards rescinded etc. The CCC are almost Mafia Like.
Football continues to decline in quality and hurling is without a doubt under attack from board.
I liken the Derry GAA scene to the unfortunate economic scene in The Republic. The South lost the run of itself and have ended up forgetting about that which made it admired worldwide. The Derry Gaa have forgotten the basic values of the association and if we are not careful we could implode!
Didn't realise that Munster has an Independent economy.
presumably you never refer to 'the north' or use the term 'nordies' etc
and if you do - are you referring to Donegal or even Antrim ?
bottom line - dont be silly chap !!
Well Lynchboy I call I usually use the provincial names, or North and Republic. Anways I was in fierce bad form the last two days, so I apologise for being so pedantic. When people call the Republic the South it really grinds my gears.
When I first read your response I thought this guy is just bored and having a wee jab to dull the boredom.But now that you have confirmed that the use of the word South in the context used really "grinds your gears" i am thinking you are just a tad sad.
and another thing,why to hell can derry never have there results in mondays irish news like any other county?this is a common occurrence and questions have to be asked especially when we are paying someone full time to do this basic task!!!
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 03, 2010, 12:29:40 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 03, 2010, 11:38:51 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 02, 2010, 08:01:19 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 01, 2010, 10:59:40 PM
Is Derry GAA in disarray?
I am not sure but I get a feeling this year that just too much seems disorganised, there is a lot more controversy around and that grassroots members are turning their backs on the association because of perceived corruption and general skulduggery.
Continuous reports of referees not showing up, fixtures postponed over and over, red cards rescinded etc. The CCC are almost Mafia Like.
Football continues to decline in quality and hurling is without a doubt under attack from board.
I liken the Derry GAA scene to the unfortunate economic scene in The Republic. The South lost the run of itself and have ended up forgetting about that which made it admired worldwide. The Derry Gaa have forgotten the basic values of the association and if we are not careful we could implode!
Didn't realise that Munster has an Independent economy.
presumably you never refer to 'the north' or use the term 'nordies' etc
and if you do - are you referring to Donegal or even Antrim ?
bottom line - dont be silly chap !!
Well Lynchboy I call I usually use the provincial names, or North and Republic. Anways I was in fierce bad form the last two days, so I apologise for being so pedantic. When people call the Republic the South it really grinds my gears.
well I prefer calling it the south - as this indicated its part of the same country - unlike calling it the 'republic' or 'free state' which to me are terms of 'marginalisation' !
anyhow - I live in 'the south' - or Dublin as I usually call it !!
Quote from: isourboydownyet on October 04, 2010, 09:47:16 AM
and another thing,why to hell can derry never have there results in mondays irish news like any other county?this is a common occurrence and questions have to be asked especially when we are paying someone full time to do this basic task!!!
Please don't tell me we are paying our PRO now ??? ??? ??? ???
Quote from: Squareball71 on October 04, 2010, 10:45:55 AM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on October 04, 2010, 09:47:16 AM
and another thing,why to hell can derry never have there results in mondays irish news like any other county?this is a common occurrence and questions have to be asked especially when we are paying someone full time to do this basic task!!!
Please don't tell me we are paying our PRO now ??? ??? ??? ???
no!our full time secretary is responsible for putting results in the media
Quote from: isourboydownyet on October 04, 2010, 10:50:05 AM
Quote from: Squareball71 on October 04, 2010, 10:45:55 AM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on October 04, 2010, 09:47:16 AM
and another thing,why to hell can derry never have there results in mondays irish news like any other county?this is a common occurrence and questions have to be asked especially when we are paying someone full time to do this basic task!!!
Please don't tell me we are paying our PRO now ??? ??? ??? ???
no!our full time secretary is responsible for putting results in the media
Shows how much you know. We don't even have a full time secretary.
Quote from: Squareball71 on October 04, 2010, 11:12:16 AM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on October 04, 2010, 10:50:05 AM
Quote from: Squareball71 on October 04, 2010, 10:45:55 AM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on October 04, 2010, 09:47:16 AM
and another thing,why to hell can derry never have there results in mondays irish news like any other county?this is a common occurrence and questions have to be asked especially when we are paying someone full time to do this basic task!!!
Please don't tell me we are paying our PRO now ??? ??? ??? ???
no!our full time secretary is responsible for putting results in the media
Shows how much you know. We don't even have a full time secretary.
from the derry official web site,
Secretary Noeleen Curran (Non voting)
seems you dont know to much yourself!
Quote from: isourboydownyet on October 04, 2010, 11:54:20 AM
Quote from: Squareball71 on October 04, 2010, 11:12:16 AM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on October 04, 2010, 10:50:05 AM
Quote from: Squareball71 on October 04, 2010, 10:45:55 AM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on October 04, 2010, 09:47:16 AM
and another thing,why to hell can derry never have there results in mondays irish news like any other county?this is a common occurrence and questions have to be asked especially when we are paying someone full time to do this basic task!!!
Please don't tell me we are paying our PRO now ??? ??? ??? ???
no!our full time secretary is responsible for putting results in the media
Shows how much you know. We don't even have a full time secretary.
from the derry official web site,Secretary Noeleen Curran (Non voting)
seems you dont know to much yourself!
Secretary of CCC, not the County Board... What has CCC got to do with the press??
It is the PRO who deals with everything relating to the press!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Squareball71 on October 04, 2010, 02:57:42 PM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on October 04, 2010, 11:54:20 AM
Quote from: Squareball71 on October 04, 2010, 11:12:16 AM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on October 04, 2010, 10:50:05 AM
Quote from: Squareball71 on October 04, 2010, 10:45:55 AM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on October 04, 2010, 09:47:16 AM
and another thing,why to hell can derry never have there results in mondays irish news like any other county?this is a common occurrence and questions have to be asked especially when we are paying someone full time to do this basic task!!!
Please don't tell me we are paying our PRO now ??? ??? ??? ???
no!our full time secretary is responsible for putting results in the media
Shows how much you know. We don't even have a full time secretary.
from the derry official web site,Secretary Noeleen Curran (Non voting)
seems you dont know to much yourself!
Secretary of CCC, not the County Board... d**khead... WTF has CCC got to do with the press??
It is the PRO who deals with everything relating to the press!!!!!!!!!
whats that all about,are you related?
i didnt say if it was the county board,i said we have a full time secretary and if you knew your facts which you dont seem to you would know that she is responsible for results going into the paper so going down the road of petty name calling as part of your argument reflects more on you and the strength of your argument
Quote from: isourboydownyet on October 04, 2010, 03:37:02 PM
Quote from: Squareball71 on October 04, 2010, 02:57:42 PM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on October 04, 2010, 11:54:20 AM
Quote from: Squareball71 on October 04, 2010, 11:12:16 AM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on October 04, 2010, 10:50:05 AM
Quote from: Squareball71 on October 04, 2010, 10:45:55 AM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on October 04, 2010, 09:47:16 AM
and another thing,why to hell can derry never have there results in mondays irish news like any other county?this is a common occurrence and questions have to be asked especially when we are paying someone full time to do this basic task!!!
Please don't tell me we are paying our PRO now ??? ??? ??? ???
no!our full time secretary is responsible for putting results in the media
Shows how much you know. We don't even have a full time secretary.
from the derry official web site,Secretary Noeleen Curran (Non voting)
seems you dont know to much yourself!
Secretary of CCC, not the County Board... d**khead... WTF has CCC got to do with the press??
It is the PRO who deals with everything relating to the press!!!!!!!!!
whats that all about,are you related?
i didnt say if it was the county board,i said we have a full time secretary and if you knew your facts which you dont seem to you would know that she is responsible for results going into the paper so going down the road of petty name calling as part of your argument reflects more on you and the strength of your argument
Right, first of all... apologies for the name calling.. out of order... wet day inside with young children, but no excuse
Surely though when we read a club section in the local papers from all the clubs this is sent in by the club PRO... no?? that is the PRO's job. Surely the same applies to County. All connection with media, T.V, papers, magazines, website's etc. is done solely by the PRO so there is nothing duplicated or different things sent out by 2 different sources. This has to make common sense and leaves nothing sent to press open for scrutiny or blame.
Again apologies for earlier and i have removed it.
And no,no,no.... def. not related.... Thank God :o
no problem apology accepted
yes in normal circumstances the pro deals with all media work but in derry we have a system in place where after each game the ref texts the score to a system within owenbeg where all scores are recorded on computer and as we have a full time secretary it was thought it would be much easier for that person to forward the email with the scores to the media.
but we are getting away from the point,no matter who is responsible it's not a big ask to be able to lift a paper on monday morning and read the results within the county.
Ourboy, have you written to the people concerned? Sounds like you have a point to me. not sure message boards best place to find out what you want to know. Let us know the craic when you find out.
Even better if you go on to the Derry website results section and click on the subscribe link (http://gaa_results.sportsmanager.ie/) you'll get the results emailed to you automatically. Save yerself the price of the auld paper. They're full of shite anyway.
Quote from: sheamy on October 04, 2010, 05:47:00 PM
Ourboy, have you written to the people concerned? Sounds like you have a point to me. not sure message boards best place to find out what you want to know. Let us know the craic when you find out.
Even better if you go on to the Derry website results section and click on the subscribe link (http://gaa_results.sportsmanager.ie/) you'll get the results emailed to you automatically. Save yerself the price of the auld paper. They're full of shite anyway.
i have actually,well not written exactly,contacted a member of the ccc and asked why derry rarely have results in the irish news on a monday morning,i was told several reasons and that eventually it will happen consistently,that was over a year ago!
have to agree the irish news is gettin pretty crap apart from mickey hartes column ;)
Maybe if we got the irish news sports desk to subscribe to sports manager that'd sort the whole thing! :-)