All Ireland Club Championships 2024

Started by SouthOfThe Bann, July 31, 2024, 10:32:30 AM

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DownFanatic

What EC did in relation to the final stage after pulling away from behind the band was just silly. As you say, they were obviously very pumped up.

imtommygunn

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2025, 10:22:08 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 20, 2025, 10:15:27 AMWe always look for reasons to justify a poor start from a team in a game. But yesterday there was a marked difference in the warm up regimes from both teams. That being the 20 minute slot from about 3:10pm to 3:30pm that they did on the pitch. Cuala's, whilst simple and straightforward, flowed a lot better and looked regimented and energetic. Errigal's didn't and looked for the most part way too laid back and lethargic at times. Just really an observation but I can't help think that it played into that disastrous first half for EC.

Their proper warm up would have been in some local pitch, before heading to Croke, there is also a small training court besides their changing rooms, so plenty of opportunity to get ready.

They just looked too pumped, all heading over to the squad for the national anthem and then having to move because the band was there was not needed, Cuala were more relaxed stood as a team and a few things just broke for them and they went clear after that.

There is a bit of all this but even before the goal EC couldn't get the ball out. They couldn't cope with Cuala's pressing.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: imtommygunn on January 20, 2025, 10:36:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2025, 10:22:08 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 20, 2025, 10:15:27 AMWe always look for reasons to justify a poor start from a team in a game. But yesterday there was a marked difference in the warm up regimes from both teams. That being the 20 minute slot from about 3:10pm to 3:30pm that they did on the pitch. Cuala's, whilst simple and straightforward, flowed a lot better and looked regimented and energetic. Errigal's didn't and looked for the most part way too laid back and lethargic at times. Just really an observation but I can't help think that it played into that disastrous first half for EC.

Their proper warm up would have been in some local pitch, before heading to Croke, there is also a small training court besides their changing rooms, so plenty of opportunity to get ready.

They just looked too pumped, all heading over to the squad for the national anthem and then having to move because the band was there was not needed, Cuala were more relaxed stood as a team and a few things just broke for them and they went clear after that.

There is a bit of all this but even before the goal EC couldn't get the ball out. They couldn't cope with Cuala's pressing.

And the midfield dominated everything
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

tbrick18

Cuala blew them away in the first half - given how far ahead they were at half time they were never going to continue at that level in the 2nd half.
EC pulled back as Cuala dropped off a bit, and Peter Harte played like a man possessed.
But Cuala always had that extra gear when it go too close - the result was never in doubt after about 20 mins in the first half.
EC couldnt get out of their own half.

Cuala were Faster, bigger, stronger and better.


Armamike

That's just, like your opinion man.

Armagh4sam2024

Quote from: tyrone08 on January 19, 2025, 07:25:00 PM
Quote from: SaffronSports on January 19, 2025, 07:21:47 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 19, 2025, 07:16:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 19, 2025, 06:19:54 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on January 19, 2025, 06:15:53 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 19, 2025, 05:58:06 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on January 19, 2025, 05:25:44 PMWas  Canavan  taken out?
only seen it once, looked accidental but was hit hard.

I don't think he  meant to take him out of the game,  but  it  did look
Like he  put the knee in . He doesn't attempt to play the ball  with the foot so why  put the knee in?

Just on the first watch I thought he could have avoided the collision, would need to watch again in real time, slow mo makes things look worse

Looks deliberate enough. No call for the knee to be there at all. Darragh is on the ball already

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7vfoSoD2i-4&pp=ygUPZGFycmFnaCBjYW5hdmFu

Not for me, the balls there and
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 19, 2025, 07:16:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 19, 2025, 06:19:54 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on January 19, 2025, 06:15:53 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 19, 2025, 05:58:06 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on January 19, 2025, 05:25:44 PMWas  Canavan  taken out?
only seen it once, looked accidental but was hit hard.

I don't think he  meant to take him out of the game,  but  it  did look
Like he  put the knee in . He doesn't attempt to play the ball  with the foot so why  put the knee in?

Just on the first watch I thought he could have avoided the collision, would need to watch again in real time, slow mo makes things look worse

Looks deliberate enough. No call for the knee to be there at all. Darragh is on the ball already

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7vfoSoD2i-4&pp=ygUPZGFycmFnaCBjYW5hdmFu

Not for me. Player makes a move towards the movement of the ball and Canavan moves to it as well. Accidental in my opinion.

The only way he was going to get the ball was to go through the player. He had zero chance of winning the ball. He was quick enough to get away from the scene

While the knee to head looks poor, only the Cuala player knows if it was deliberate or not.  The fact both Caravans end up in hosp with concussion points to a game plan to target them however.  Could you imagine the media outcry if it was both O'Callaghan's in hosp??

Armaghtothebone

Quote from: tbrick18 on January 20, 2025, 11:02:20 AMCuala blew them away in the first half - given how far ahead they were at half time they were never going to continue at that level in the 2nd half.
EC pulled back as Cuala dropped off a bit, and Peter Harte played like a man possessed.
But Cuala always had that extra gear when it go too close - the result was never in doubt after about 20 mins in the first half.
EC couldnt get out of their own half.

Cuala were Faster, bigger, stronger and better.



Cannot believe I'm agreeing with tbrick18 on anything, but his last line is absolutely key.

Look at the absolute club kingpins from Ulster as regards the Club Championship (The Rangers).
Yes they had brilliant footballers, don't think I need to name them, but they ( when they were successful) also had plenty of old dogs ( no offence Brokencrossbar) for the hard road.
They could football you off the pitch but they had mem who loved the physical side too.
Any successful team (especially at Club level) needs that.
Yes Oisin  McConville/ Aaron Kernan etc were Rolls Royces of footballers but never underestimate the contributions of the Donal Murtaghs/ John Donaldsons etc.

In my humble opinion Errigal  lacked a bit  of "physical presence ".

Know/ do business with a few from Ballygawley and they'll be gutted today.

statto

Quote from: Armaghtothebone on January 20, 2025, 12:52:35 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 20, 2025, 11:02:20 AMCuala blew them away in the first half - given how far ahead they were at half time they were never going to continue at that level in the 2nd half.
EC pulled back as Cuala dropped off a bit, and Peter Harte played like a man possessed.
But Cuala always had that extra gear when it go too close - the result was never in doubt after about 20 mins in the first half.
EC couldnt get out of their own half.

Cuala were Faster, bigger, stronger and better.



Cannot believe I'm agreeing with tbrick18 on anything, but his last line is absolutely key.

Look at the absolute club kingpins from Ulster as regards the Club Championship (The Rangers).
Yes they had brilliant footballers, don't think I need to name them, but they ( when they were successful) also had plenty of old dogs ( no offence Brokencrossbar) for the hard road.
They could football you off the pitch but they had mem who loved the physical side too.
Any successful team (especially at Club level) needs that.
Yes Oisin  McConville/ Aaron Kernan etc were Rolls Royces of footballers but never underestimate the contributions of the Donal Murtaghs/ John Donaldsons etc.

In my humble opinion Errigal  lacked a bit  of "physical presence ".

Know/ do business with a few from Ballygawley and they'll be gutted today.
I thought the same that EC were very unlike a Tyrone team, didn't have that in your face mentality that alot of the successful tyrone county sides had. 

Mario

Quote from: Armagh4sam2024While the knee to head looks poor, only the Cuala player knows if it was deliberate or not.  The fact both Caravans end up in hosp with concussion points to a game plan to target them however.  Could you imagine the media outcry if it was both O'Callaghan's in hosp??
Seen this a few times online but tbh I don't think it would be any different. The Canavans are talked about more in the media than O'Callaghan these days

thebigfullforward

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2025, 10:22:08 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 20, 2025, 10:15:27 AMWe always look for reasons to justify a poor start from a team in a game. But yesterday there was a marked difference in the warm up regimes from both teams. That being the 20 minute slot from about 3:10pm to 3:30pm that they did on the pitch. Cuala's, whilst simple and straightforward, flowed a lot better and looked regimented and energetic. Errigal's didn't and looked for the most part way too laid back and lethargic at times. Just really an observation but I can't help think that it played into that disastrous first half for EC.

Their proper warm up would have been in some local pitch, before heading to Croke, there is also a small training court besides their changing rooms, so plenty of opportunity to get ready.

They just looked too pumped, all heading over to the squad for the national anthem and then having to move because the band was there was not needed, Cuala were more relaxed stood as a team and a few things just broke for them and they went clear after that.
Did they not do this for the Tyrone and Ulster final too? Why would they do it for those 2 finals then change it up for the third one?

Milltown Row2

Whether they headed over in Tyrone or Ulster is not my point. They were pumped up in my view and that was evident in the few tackles at the start. No. 6 was flying into needless tackles from the get go.

My view was Cuala looked relaxed and ready.

None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

brokencrossbar1

Quote from: Armaghtothebone on January 20, 2025, 12:52:35 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 20, 2025, 11:02:20 AMCuala blew them away in the first half - given how far ahead they were at half time they were never going to continue at that level in the 2nd half.
EC pulled back as Cuala dropped off a bit, and Peter Harte played like a man possessed.
But Cuala always had that extra gear when it go too close - the result was never in doubt after about 20 mins in the first half.
EC couldnt get out of their own half.

Cuala were Faster, bigger, stronger and better.



Cannot believe I'm agreeing with tbrick18 on anything, but his last line is absolutely key.

Look at the absolute club kingpins from Ulster as regards the Club Championship (The Rangers).
Yes they had brilliant footballers, don't think I need to name them, but they ( when they were successful) also had plenty of old dogs ( no offence Brokencrossbar) for the hard road.
They could football you off the pitch but they had mem who loved the physical side too.
Any successful team (especially at Club level) needs that.
Yes Oisin  McConville/ Aaron Kernan etc were Rolls Royces of footballers but never underestimate the contributions of the Donal Murtaghs/ John Donaldsons etc.

In my humble opinion Errigal  lacked a bit  of "physical presence ".

Know/ do business with a few from Ballygawley and they'll be gutted today.

None taken....taken as a compliment actually!  Was talking about this last week at training that the core of our team were physically very strong,  12 of our wearing team in excess of 6 foot and well made. We could play anyone at football but if needed we physically dominated.  EC didn't have that yesterday. Physically not up to it and that's not a criticism,  just an observation.

While the come back was excellent a few factors need to be considered. There was the inevitable bounce from
Darraghs injury,  'let's do it for him' approach and that's fine. The only thing is that energy is not sustainable and Cuala were able to keep them somewhat at arms length.

Secondly,  no matter how much you say it doesn't play into your mind Cuala were playing for the final whistle from half time. They were 'managing' the game and I always felt they had the gears to up it if needed. They are a very good team.

With all that said,  and with genuine congratulations to Cuala,  I'd be sitting there as a manager of a senior club team and saying these AIs for winning. I'd say there are 5-6 teams sick this morning thinking 'what if'. While that could be said any year I wouldn't be fearing them if I was playing them next year.

Lamh Dhearg Alba

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 20, 2025, 06:24:32 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on January 20, 2025, 12:52:35 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 20, 2025, 11:02:20 AMCuala blew them away in the first half - given how far ahead they were at half time they were never going to continue at that level in the 2nd half.
EC pulled back as Cuala dropped off a bit, and Peter Harte played like a man possessed.
But Cuala always had that extra gear when it go too close - the result was never in doubt after about 20 mins in the first half.
EC couldnt get out of their own half.

Cuala were Faster, bigger, stronger and better.



Cannot believe I'm agreeing with tbrick18 on anything, but his last line is absolutely key.

Look at the absolute club kingpins from Ulster as regards the Club Championship (The Rangers).
Yes they had brilliant footballers, don't think I need to name them, but they ( when they were successful) also had plenty of old dogs ( no offence Brokencrossbar) for the hard road.
They could football you off the pitch but they had mem who loved the physical side too.
Any successful team (especially at Club level) needs that.
Yes Oisin  McConville/ Aaron Kernan etc were Rolls Royces of footballers but never underestimate the contributions of the Donal Murtaghs/ John Donaldsons etc.

In my humble opinion Errigal  lacked a bit  of "physical presence ".

Know/ do business with a few from Ballygawley and they'll be gutted today.

None taken....taken as a compliment actually!  Was talking about this last week at training that the core of our team were physically very strong,  12 of our wearing team in excess of 6 foot and well made. We could play anyone at football but if needed we physically dominated.  EC didn't have that yesterday. Physically not up to it and that's not a criticism,  just an observation.

While the come back was excellent a few factors need to be considered. There was the inevitable bounce from
Darraghs injury,  'let's do it for him' approach and that's fine. The only thing is that energy is not sustainable and Cuala were able to keep them somewhat at arms length.

Secondly,  no matter how much you say it doesn't play into your mind Cuala were playing for the final whistle from half time. They were 'managing' the game and I always felt they had the gears to up it if needed. They are a very good team.

With all that said,  and with genuine congratulations to Cuala,  I'd be sitting there as a manager of a senior club team and saying these AIs for winning. I'd say there are 5-6 teams sick this morning thinking 'what if'. While that could be said any year I wouldn't be fearing them if I was playing them next year.

If you're 14 points up and managing the game then you use the extra gears way before it gets down to 3 points in the closing stages. Not credible to suggest otherwise.

Tyrone Dreamer

Errigal actually dropped a free short to get it back to 2 points with a few minutes left. You wonder if Darragh Canavan had been fit to come back on in those last ten mins could that have given them enough energy to get over the line.

marty34

Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 20, 2025, 10:48:02 PMErrigal actually dropped a free short to get it back to 2 points with a few minutes left. You wonder if Darragh Canavan had been fit to come back on in those last ten mins could that have given them enough energy to get over the line.

Not with concussion.

It wouldn't be worth the risk. Only a game of football at the end of the day.