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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #690 on: June 23, 2022, 01:07:16 PM »
Yes I think it's been good but little will have improved for some teams e.g Down had a very poor year with 2 bad defeats.

Still it's the way forward and will evolve with a round robin and possible intermediate competition introduced. But think they need leave the hare sit for a while before tinkering too much. 

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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #691 on: June 23, 2022, 01:39:51 PM »
Yes I think it's been good but little will have improved for some teams e.g Down had a very poor year with 2 bad defeats.

Still it's the way forward and will evolve with a round robin and possible intermediate competition introduced. But think they need leave the hare sit for a while before tinkering too much.

That's not a Tailteann cup issue and I think the Tailteann cup has been a success overall in it's first year.

Down seriously need to look at themselves in the mirror.


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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #692 on: June 23, 2022, 01:44:58 PM »
Yes I think it's been good but little will have improved for some teams e.g Down had a very poor year with 2 bad defeats.

Still it's the way forward and will evolve with a round robin and possible intermediate competition introduced. But think they need leave the hare sit for a while before tinkering too much.

That's not a Tailteann cup issue and I think the Tailteann cup has been a success overall in it's first year.

Down seriously need to look at themselves in the mirror.
Of course I understand that but based on the format, there are always going to be teams who play 2 lose 2 no matter what, regardless of what they put into it.

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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #693 on: June 23, 2022, 01:49:51 PM »
This format was for 2022 only.
Teams get a minimum of 4 Championship matches next year.
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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #694 on: June 23, 2022, 02:02:49 PM »
Ok thanks, heard it mentioned but wasn't sure if it was for definite.

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« Reply #695 on: June 24, 2022, 09:52:36 AM »
This format was for 2022 only.
Teams get a minimum of 4 Championship matches next year.

The aim of the Tailteann cup is to  narrow the gap with the Sam Maguire Cup over time. In order to achieve this, teams need more matches.
Next year the top Tailteann teams should be able to beat Meath
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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #696 on: June 24, 2022, 11:10:58 AM »
This format was for 2022 only.
Teams get a minimum of 4 Championship matches next year.

The aim of the Tailteann cup is to  narrow the gap with the Sam Maguire Cup over time. In order to achieve this, teams need more matches.
Next year the top Tailteann teams should be able to beat Meath

This is the kind of nonsense usually only spouted by people on a payroll.

A d4 county team playing 3 more matches in June against mediocre opposition, is not going to make one iota of difference to how they perform when back in league action with a new panel and new management team the following January. Not one iota. In many cases the extra commitment required will turn key players away: off to America or back to their clubs. And when they return to the fold in November, nobody will bat an eyelid.


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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #697 on: June 24, 2022, 11:19:21 AM »
Prophecy (of doom) must be a hard gift to carry ::)
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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #698 on: June 24, 2022, 11:54:29 AM »
This format was for 2022 only.
Teams get a minimum of 4 Championship matches next year.

The aim of the Tailteann cup is to  narrow the gap with the Sam Maguire Cup over time. In order to achieve this, teams need more matches.
Next year the top Tailteann teams should be able to beat Meath

This is the kind of nonsense usually only spouted by people on a payroll.

A d4 county team playing 3 more matches in June against mediocre opposition, is not going to make one iota of difference to how they perform when back in league action with a new panel and new management team the following January. Not one iota. In many cases the extra commitment required will turn key players away: off to America or back to their clubs. And when they return to the fold in November, nobody will bat an eyelid.

Whats your solution? Easy to knock but what would you do differently?

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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #699 on: June 24, 2022, 12:16:50 PM »
I understand people's concerns about the round robin producing dead rubbers and lack of interest. One solution I could see would be introducing a route back to AI series plus an intermediate competition.

Beaten provincial quarter finalists (17 teams) all go into round robin, 4 groups, seeded on league standing.
1st in group advances.
2nd and 3rd go to TC quarters.

Beaten provincial semi finalists (8 teams) plus 4 group winners do a round robin of 4 groups (2 games). Should be not much waiting around for games as defeated SF's can play each other while the last round of other series is being completed. Top of the group plays beaten provincial finalists for place in AI QF. Other 2 in group play in intermediate QFs.

Fixture congestion could be an issue (teams might have to play 9/10 games if they advance far enough), but maybe tweak the league. 5 divisions?
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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #700 on: June 24, 2022, 01:04:11 PM »
Isn't that just a backdoor for them teams again?

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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #701 on: June 24, 2022, 01:44:47 PM »
This format was for 2022 only.
Teams get a minimum of 4 Championship matches next year.

The aim of the Tailteann cup is to  narrow the gap with the Sam Maguire Cup over time. In order to achieve this, teams need more matches.
Next year the top Tailteann teams should be able to beat Meath

This is the kind of nonsense usually only spouted by people on a payroll.

A d4 county team playing 3 more matches in June against mediocre opposition, is not going to make one iota of difference to how they perform when back in league action with a new panel and new management team the following January. Not one iota. In many cases the extra commitment required will turn key players away: off to America or back to their clubs. And when they return to the fold in November, nobody will bat an eyelid.

Whats your solution? Easy to knock but what would you do differently?
Prophets of doom don't do solutions.
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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #702 on: June 24, 2022, 01:57:17 PM »
Yes I think it's been good but little will have improved for some teams e.g Down had a very poor year with 2 bad defeats.

Still it's the way forward and will evolve with a round robin and possible intermediate competition introduced. But think they need leave the hare sit for a while before tinkering too much.
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Down were atrocious this year. On the other hand maybe they were unlucky to draw Cavan in the first round.
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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #703 on: June 24, 2022, 02:01:34 PM »
Isn't that just a backdoor for them teams again?
Of course, backdoor is part of championship last 20yrs but it guarantees games. Gives teams a stab at a cup their level plus gives a route back to teams if they get an unlucky draw early.

Provincial make up leaves it very difficult to settle on a fair format plus what to do with London and NY. Impossible to please everyone but for teams who are serious about building and progressing there's something there for them if they can hit form.

It's just a very rough draught, obviously would need some work.

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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #704 on: June 24, 2022, 02:22:04 PM »
There's a system already approved for next year .
Let's see how that pans out shall we?
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