Murder of Aisling Murphy

[general_lee]

It's all pretty fucked up. I think we are living in challenging times. We now have a generation that has grown up looking at porn from a young age, moved straight on to social media apps like Instagram and Snapchat, you have awful role models that young people look up to, garbage on tv like love island. All this combines into a misleading array of what is and isn't real life, what behaviour should be expected and is acceptable and how women and young girls should be treated. I know first hand from a girl I know who was able to rhyme off a load of lads I know who have sent unsolicited pictures, messages on social media, tried it on etc and these are men in their 30s. This might not directly relate to the horrendous attack on Aisling but there is still a conversation to be had with our young men.

[seafoid]

I think.making women feel uncomfortable and murdering women are 2 separate things. We can probably work on the former.

244 murders since 1996 is about 10 per year. Maybe 6 are in relationships. We need the right stats but I dunno what else can be done.

[thewobbler]

It's all pretty fucked up. I think we are living in challenging times. We now have a generation that has grown up looking at porn from a young age, moved straight on to social media apps like Instagram and Snapchat, you have awful role models that young people look up to, garbage on tv like love island. All this combines into a misleading array of what is and isn't real life, what behaviour should be expected and is acceptable and how women and young girls should be treated. I know first hand from a girl I know who was able to rhyme off a load of lads I know who have sent unsolicited pictures, messages on social media, tried it on etc and these are men in their 30s. This might not directly relate to the horrendous attack on Aisling but there is still a conversation to be had with our young men.

Conversely I doubt there has ever been a safer time in the history of society to be female.

[HokeyPokey]

It's depressing, but not surprising to see some posters trying to minimise what women experience. Yes, there's never been a more safe time and things have improved dramatically, but we have a long way to go yet. It wasn't that long ago that marital rape was legal, divorce was illegal and women were forced to give up their careers when they married and legally referred to as the sub spouse. And that's before you consider the societal attitudes, magdalene laundries, mother and baby homes... And while we have moved some things forward; new issues are rearing their heads spurred by technology and the fraying of community and families support groups.

Some posters seem to be suggesting that the murder of women can't be avoided. This is just one of the extremes of what women face. There is a clear issue in how women are treated and society's attitude towards women. Most of the murderers are known to the victims and are often partners.

It's not enough to not be sexist, we have to be actively against sexism. Nobody is born a murderer.  It shouldn't be the norm that women are terrified to walk home alone at night or go for a run in broad daylight. Educating young men, talking to our friends, brothers, sons etc., calling out bad behaviour would help so much. Clearly a lot of men can't deal with their emotions which leads to violence, alcoholism and other issues, women so often the victims.

[nrico2006]

Plus not all attention is unwanted.

So these women are all full of shit?

No, but you only have to open Instagram etc. to see that there are a lot of women who want attention. 

[smort]

Jesus christ, what is going on in here

[HokeyPokey]

Plus not all attention is unwanted.

So these women are all full of shit?

No, but you only have to open Instagram etc. to see that there are a lot of women who want attention.

There's people of both sexes who seek attention. But what has that got to do with men harassing and being violent towards women? What is the point you are making?

[greatpoint]

Whatever happened with the needle 'spiking' crisis pre-Christmas?

[full moon]

Whatever happened with the needle 'spiking' crisis pre-Christmas?

Likely quietly dropped by the media when it was clear it was more nonsense.

[Orior]

Plus not all attention is unwanted.

So these women are all full of shit?

No, but you only have to open Instagram etc. to see that there are a lot of women who want attention.

There's people of both sexes who seek attention. But what has that got to do with men harassing and being violent towards women? What is the point you are making?

I think the point is that you cannot pigeon-hole all men into one box, and you also cannot pigeon-hole all women into one box. By way of example, I believe that there are women who love attention and there are those that do not.

[Tony Baloney]

It's depressing, but not surprising to see some posters trying to minimise what women experience. Yes, there's never been a more safe time and things have improved dramatically, but we have a long way to go yet. It wasn't that long ago that marital rape was legal, divorce was illegal and women were forced to give up their careers when they married and legally referred to as the sub spouse. And that's before you consider the societal attitudes, magdalene laundries, mother and baby homes... And while we have moved some things forward; new issues are rearing their heads spurred by technology and the fraying of community and families support groups.

Some posters seem to be suggesting that the murder of women can't be avoided. This is just one of the extremes of what women face. There is a clear issue in how women are treated and society's attitude towards women. Most of the murderers are known to the victims and are often partners.

It's not enough to not be sexist, we have to be actively against sexism. Nobody is born a murderer.  It shouldn't be the norm that women are terrified to walk home alone at night or go for a run in broad daylight. Educating young men, talking to our friends, brothers, sons etc., calling out bad behaviour would help so much. Clearly a lot of men can't deal with their emotions which leads to violence, alcoholism and other issues, women so often the victims.

There has been some shite talked on this subject over the past few days. Absolutely call out misogyny, sexism, violence against women, however that isn't going to get us to a point of zero violence towards women; including murder. I'm pretty sure all murderers know that all these things, including murder, are wrong so you or I telling them it's bad won't make a difference if they are suffering from mental health and/or substance abuse problems within a relationship. Unfortunately people will still be killing each other for the usual reasons of love, lust, power, money, revenge etc. in 1000 years regardless of how many vigils and hashtags we have.

[full moon]

It's depressing, but not surprising to see some posters trying to minimise what women experience. Yes, there's never been a more safe time and things have improved dramatically, but we have a long way to go yet. It wasn't that long ago that marital rape was legal, divorce was illegal and women were forced to give up their careers when they married and legally referred to as the sub spouse. And that's before you consider the societal attitudes, magdalene laundries, mother and baby homes... And while we have moved some things forward; new issues are rearing their heads spurred by technology and the fraying of community and families support groups.

Some posters seem to be suggesting that the murder of women can't be avoided. This is just one of the extremes of what women face. There is a clear issue in how women are treated and society's attitude towards women. Most of the murderers are known to the victims and are often partners.

It's not enough to not be sexist, we have to be actively against sexism. Nobody is born a murderer.  It shouldn't be the norm that women are terrified to walk home alone at night or go for a run in broad daylight. Educating young men, talking to our friends, brothers, sons etc., calling out bad behaviour would help so much. Clearly a lot of men can't deal with their emotions which leads to violence, alcoholism and other issues, women so often the victims.

There has been some shite talked on this subject over the past few days. Absolutely call out misogyny, sexism, violence against women, however that isn't going to get us to a point of zero violence towards women; including murder. I'm pretty sure all murderers know that all these things, including murder, are wrong so you or I telling them it's bad won't make a difference if they are suffering from mental health and/or substance abuse problems within a relationship. Unfortunately people will still be killing each other for the usual reasons of love, lust, power, money, revenge etc. in 1000 years regardless of how many vigils and hashtags we have.

Totally agree there Tony. Was going to respond to that other post also but it's not worth the hassle.

Sam McConkey was on rte radio today suggesting men should get 12 lessons and a license before being let out in public! I'm afraid the usual suspects have now hijacked this tragedy for their own agendas and to look good on social media. Shameful stuff, but par for the course with certain groups, politicians, commentators etc.

[screenexile]

It's all pretty fucked up. I think we are living in challenging times. We now have a generation that has grown up looking at porn from a young age, moved straight on to social media apps like Instagram and Snapchat, you have awful role models that young people look up to, garbage on tv like love island. All this combines into a misleading array of what is and isn't real life, what behaviour should be expected and is acceptable and how women and young girls should be treated. I know first hand from a girl I know who was able to rhyme off a load of lads I know who have sent unsolicited pictures, messages on social media, tried it on etc and these are men in their 30s. This might not directly relate to the horrendous attack on Aisling but there is still a conversation to be had with our young men.

Conversely I doubt there has ever been a safer time in the history of society to be female.

Yeah women are having a great time at the minute!!

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1482817514241417218?s=21

I think we need to f**k up on this one it's struck a chord with a lot of women and they're demanding changes and they're right!!

[full moon]

It's all pretty fucked up. I think we are living in challenging times. We now have a generation that has grown up looking at porn from a young age, moved straight on to social media apps like Instagram and Snapchat, you have awful role models that young people look up to, garbage on tv like love island. All this combines into a misleading array of what is and isn't real life, what behaviour should be expected and is acceptable and how women and young girls should be treated. I know first hand from a girl I know who was able to rhyme off a load of lads I know who have sent unsolicited pictures, messages on social media, tried it on etc and these are men in their 30s. This might not directly relate to the horrendous attack on Aisling but there is still a conversation to be had with our young men.

Conversely I doubt there has ever been a safer time in the history of society to be female.

Yeah women are having a great time at the minute!!

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1482817514241417218?s=21

I think we need to f**k up on this one it's struck a chord with a lot of women and they're demanding changes and they're right!!

That women from that account quoted is a pornstar/ OnlyFans account. Don't think she represents women at all. People like that are part of the problem.

[Wildweasel74]

Think this thread needs to be keep directly on the heartbreaking incident as its going off on a wide varying tangent here.