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Title: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: trileacman on January 14, 2022, 02:03:02 PM
Seems the guards pissed away a day questioning the wrong guy. Very poor work from them, rounding up the usual suspect instead of investigating properly.

You would love to see the perpetrator lifted as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: J70 on January 14, 2022, 02:04:35 PM
Did some other joggers not come upon the scene and the attacker, or was that inaccurate reporting by the media?
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2022, 02:06:15 PM
Did some other joggers not come upon the scene and the attacker, or was that inaccurate reporting by the media?

Yeah that was mentioned in the news report, disturbed the attack. Now this brings into question was she known to the attacker also... awful, just awful
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: trileacman on January 14, 2022, 02:09:11 PM
Did some other joggers not come upon the scene and the attacker, or was that inaccurate reporting by the media?

That was printed but seems now to have been inaccurate. It was initially described in a way that suggested two people witnessed the attack.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: clarshack on January 14, 2022, 02:25:01 PM
For a woman to be beaten to death like that, there would have to be a strong possibility that the attacker was known to her imo. hopefully the guards get their act together and arrest the perpetrator soon.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: armaghniac on January 14, 2022, 03:11:01 PM
Seems the guards pissed away a day questioning the wrong guy. Very poor work from them, rounding up the usual suspect instead of investigating properly.

You would love to see the perpetrator lifted as soon as possible.

Two or 3 guards questioning the wrong guy does not affect the other evidence collection. They are collecting DNA, talking to everyone around, checking mobile phone data, looking at CCTV in the neighbouring towns etc. Unless they knew who it was, they could not speed this up. An attack out of the blue does not make it easy to identify suspects.
One advantage of DNA is to rule people out quickly and to identify someone if they do get another suspect.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: RedHand88 on January 14, 2022, 03:19:13 PM
Seems the guards pissed away a day questioning the wrong guy. Very poor work from them, rounding up the usual suspect instead of investigating properly.

You would love to see the perpetrator lifted as soon as possible.

Two or 3 guards questioning the wrong guy does not affect the other evidence collection. They are collecting DNA, talking to everyone around, checking mobile phone data, looking at CCTV in the neighbouring towns etc. Unless they knew who it was, they could not speed this up. An attack out of the blue does not make it easy to identify suspects.

No but its given the real killer 48 hours to get out of the area or even the country. Who knows where they are now.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: armaghniac on January 14, 2022, 03:20:26 PM
Seems the guards pissed away a day questioning the wrong guy. Very poor work from them, rounding up the usual suspect instead of investigating properly.

You would love to see the perpetrator lifted as soon as possible.

Two or 3 guards questioning the wrong guy does not affect the other evidence collection. They are collecting DNA, talking to everyone around, checking mobile phone data, looking at CCTV in the neighbouring towns etc. Unless they knew who it was, they could not speed this up. An attack out of the blue does not make it easy to identify suspects.

No but its given the real killer 48 hours to get out of the area or even the country. Who knows where they are now.

Offaly is in the middle of the coutry, probably you can drive anywhere on the island in 4 hours.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: mouview on January 14, 2022, 03:21:04 PM
Seems the guards pissed away a day questioning the wrong guy. Very poor work from them, rounding up the usual suspect instead of investigating properly.

You would love to see the perpetrator lifted as soon as possible.

Because the initial suspect was foreign, interrogation thru' translation probably took time, plus they had to check his bona fides fully. They could also only go on the description from what witnesses there were. Can't blame them for nabbing this guy as he had previous and they were anxious to move as quickly as possible in case evidence was destroyed. I'm sure they had several strands going in parallel, just in case, as has now shown to be necessary. Have no reason to doubt the Guards' competence in this, they're not the thickos stupid RTE programs make them out to be.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Saffrongael on January 14, 2022, 03:24:46 PM
I think the best way is to get the right person as opposed to getting someone quickly. If you can satisfy both those conditions all the better but it’s not that simple
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Itchy on January 14, 2022, 04:04:01 PM
A shocking and outrageous crime perpetrated in broad daylight  in a public place. Its just unbelievable and such a waste.

The gardai response has been brutal though. They lifted a fella, released his nationality and announced to the press that the killer and victim were not known to each other. Now it seems they don't know who the killer is! They've made a balls up in the critical first 1-2 days of the investigation.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: armaghniac on January 14, 2022, 04:10:44 PM
A truly random murder is difficult to detect unless you apprehend the culprit at the spot.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Geoff Tipps on January 14, 2022, 04:44:38 PM
For a woman to be beaten to death like that, there would have to be a strong possibility that the attacker was known to her imo. hopefully the guards get their act together and arrest the perpetrator soon.

She was strangled.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Rossfan on January 14, 2022, 05:26:58 PM
Reports of another "person of interest" having been identified.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 14, 2022, 05:32:13 PM
Not overly familiar with the area, never made it farther than Tullamore Dew factory. I presume looking at Google maps, this would be a pedestrian walkway along the canal used by joggers, cyclists, dog walkers? Be strange for somebody not local to be in this area I thought?
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 14, 2022, 06:11:13 PM
She may have been known to the attacker.  Truly random murders are rare enough.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 14, 2022, 06:22:37 PM
The public reaction would remind you of what followed the murder of Sarah Everard thall I Sasana.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0114/1273770-ashling-murphy-vigils/
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 14, 2022, 06:24:50 PM
A shocking and outrageous crime perpetrated in broad daylight  in a public place. Its just unbelievable and such a waste.

The gardai response has been brutal though. They lifted a fella, released his nationality and announced to the press that the killer and victim were not known to each other. Now it seems they don't know who the killer is! They've made a balls up in the critical first 1-2 days of the investigation.
No shock there.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2022, 06:38:49 PM
Person of interest in hospital?
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: PadraicHenryPearse on January 14, 2022, 06:41:20 PM
A shocking and outrageous crime perpetrated in broad daylight  in a public place. Its just unbelievable and such a waste.

The gardai response has been brutal though. They lifted a fella, released his nationality and announced to the press that the killer and victim were not known to each other. Now it seems they don't know who the killer is! They've made a balls up in the critical first 1-2 days of the investigation.
No shock there.

did the garda do that?  I assume they used suspect when referring to the first person arrested and that the suspect and victom was not known to each other...

He was known to Gardai but that does not mean he was the usual suspect (as some suggested) as regards this type of crime or hassessment etc..

I dont see any reason to be critical of Gardai at this stage. In a town like tullamore the identity of the suspect was going to get out quick... his name was on social media pretty quick..
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 14, 2022, 06:44:25 PM
https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22051199/
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: trileacman on January 14, 2022, 06:45:35 PM
Seems the guards pissed away a day questioning the wrong guy. Very poor work from them, rounding up the usual suspect instead of investigating properly.

You would love to see the perpetrator lifted as soon as possible.

Because the initial suspect was foreign, interrogation thru' translation probably took time, plus they had to check his bona fides fully. They could also only go on the description from what witnesses there were. Can't blame them for nabbing this guy as he had previous and they were anxious to move as quickly as possible in case evidence was destroyed. I'm sure they had several strands going in parallel, just in case, as has now shown to be necessary. Have no reason to doubt the Guards' competence in this, they're not the thickos stupid RTE programs make them out to be.

There's every reason to doubt their competence. It's no surprise it took them only an hour to lift him and nearly 24 hours to rule him out. They seen he had previous and they liked him for the crime. It really shouldn't have been as hard to rule him out. A look at his mobile phone gps data would have been pretty conclusive unless he had passed through the crime scene between 3 and 4 o'clock.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 14, 2022, 06:53:39 PM
50 gardaí working on the case per RTÉ.
As you would expect.

Aguisín

https://mobile.twitter.com/TeresaMannion/status/1481970068498046985

Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Substandard on January 14, 2022, 06:59:05 PM
I was listening to the Joe Duffy show on the way home this afternoon- the litany of horror stories about the way women are treated.  In the staffroom,  which is predominantly female, every one of them spoke about the constant anxiety when out walking,  day or night, and each gave examples from low grade intimidation which made them uncomfortable up to physical and sexual harassment and assault.
I suppose it speaks a lot more about my ignorance or naivety that, while obviously aware that it was 'out there', I genuinely had no idea the extent.
I think it's probably my upbringing- rural, don't hit girls, always respect women, and so on, that became a cornerstone of my value system.  I lived in Tullamore a good few years.  I can remember many nights walking home well drunk when I'd see a woman, or women, either walking ahead of me or towards me.  I'd always make a point of crossing the road so as not to worry them, even though that may have looked or felt as bad to them. 
I wonder now have I ever done enough in passing on values like that, values I took for granted.  As it happened today, all of the girls in my 6th year class were either absent or gone to a match, so it was just 8 or 9 lads left.  I tried to express these ideas, but it wasn't easy- it's a difficult conversation. 
It just bugs me how a culture of fear for women is driven by a culture of poor behaviour by a significantly big enough cohort of men can exist and be on the increase. 
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Itchy on January 14, 2022, 07:12:31 PM
Seems the guards pissed away a day questioning the wrong guy. Very poor work from them, rounding up the usual suspect instead of investigating properly.

You would love to see the perpetrator lifted as soon as possible.

Because the initial suspect was foreign, interrogation thru' translation probably took time, plus they had to check his bona fides fully. They could also only go on the description from what witnesses there were. Can't blame them for nabbing this guy as he had previous and they were anxious to move as quickly as possible in case evidence was destroyed. I'm sure they had several strands going in parallel, just in case, as has now shown to be necessary. Have no reason to doubt the Guards' competence in this, they're not the thickos stupid RTE programs make them out to be.

There's every reason to doubt their competence. It's no surprise it took them only an hour to lift him and nearly 24 hours to rule him out. They seen he had previous and they liked him for the crime. It really shouldn't have been as hard to rule him out. A look at his mobile phone gps data would have been pretty conclusive unless he had passed through the crime scene between 3 and 4 o'clock.

The worst thing they did was pretty much leak that they had the man, he wasn't known to the victim, was foreign and had previous. It created the impression to everyone that case was solved and yet the real culprit is God knows where. Shambolic, no other word for it.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Rossfan on January 14, 2022, 09:11:40 PM
The "person of interest" is in Hospital, Gardai waiting to interview him.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: mouview on January 14, 2022, 09:53:57 PM
Seems the guards pissed away a day questioning the wrong guy. Very poor work from them, rounding up the usual suspect instead of investigating properly.

You would love to see the perpetrator lifted as soon as possible.

Because the initial suspect was foreign, interrogation thru' translation probably took time, plus they had to check his bona fides fully. They could also only go on the description from what witnesses there were. Can't blame them for nabbing this guy as he had previous and they were anxious to move as quickly as possible in case evidence was destroyed. I'm sure they had several strands going in parallel, just in case, as has now shown to be necessary. Have no reason to doubt the Guards' competence in this, they're not the thickos stupid RTE programs make them out to be.

There's every reason to doubt their competence. It's no surprise it took them only an hour to lift him and nearly 24 hours to rule him out. They seen he had previous and they liked him for the crime. It really shouldn't have been as hard to rule him out. A look at his mobile phone gps data would have been pretty conclusive unless he had passed through the crime scene between 3 and 4 o'clock.

This is just silly. What if he was the perp and left his mobile at home, as happens with many premeditated crimes? Would that exonerate him? If he was able to furnish alibis for the time, it may have taken some time to track them down to validate. Maybe he had no alibis but was in a shop miles away from the crime and was picked up on its CCTV, or other CCTVs in different areas proved where he was at the time. Take time to trawl through all of these. Don't forget, the Gardai have to operate within the law at all time, otherwise a loophole may get a guilty person off scot-free in court.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: snoopdog on January 14, 2022, 11:15:37 PM
The "person of interest" is in Hospital, Gardai waiting to interview him.
In hospital in Dublin supposedly.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 15, 2022, 05:50:16 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-51572665.amp



A new report suggests that over half (61%) of women killed by men in the UK in 2018 were killed by a current or ex partner.

Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Saffrongael on January 15, 2022, 11:02:12 AM
Terrible tragedy & I see lots of “this must stop” type comment. Has anyone come up with any ideas how to prevent what I see as unpreventable lone wolf/bad bastard attacks ? Thankfully they are uncommon here
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Hound on January 15, 2022, 12:38:08 PM
Terrible tragedy & I see lots of “this must stop” type comment. Has anyone come up with any ideas how to prevent what I see as unpreventable lone wolf/bad bastard attacks ? Thankfully they are uncommon here
‘This must stop’ type comments relate to all attacks by men on women, not lone wolf attacks.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: yellowcard on January 15, 2022, 01:51:28 PM
It's understandable that people want the perpetrator caught as soon as possible after this shocking murder and you would think that given the fact that it was in a public setting in broad daylight that there will be a very good chance of a conviction. As for people slating the Gardai, well the public do not have all of the available information so I would think it is sensible to wait for due process to run its course. 
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: mouview on January 15, 2022, 01:51:53 PM
Terrible tragedy & I see lots of “this must stop” type comment. Has anyone come up with any ideas how to prevent what I see as unpreventable lone wolf/bad bastard attacks ? Thankfully they are uncommon here

Exactly. As repugnant is this and similar type crimes are, hoping that this is a watershed of sorts is unrealistic; it's like hoping all crime in the world ceases.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 15, 2022, 01:57:23 PM
Most women are murdered by those close to them. It’s a disturbing feature of the human condition. Larry Murphy style  butchery is less common.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 15, 2022, 02:27:50 PM
The man who was arrested has given an interview. Having seen his picture and a picture of the alleged second person it’s understandable why a mistake was made. They both look quite similar and the first man arrested has some history with crime and also he was on the canal around the time of the incident. He was also picked out of a line up by someone. The big issue was that his name was made known. The thing is I don’t think that’s all in the Gardai either as in a town like Tullamore everyone knows everyone’s business. As soon as his house was raided by the Guards and he was arrested the inevitable 2+2 happened. The Gardai could have held off with the info that they did and that was a failing on their part but I don’t believe that operationally they did much wrong in terms of the arrest
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: tyrone08 on January 15, 2022, 02:54:50 PM
Terrible tragedy & I see lots of “this must stop” type comment. Has anyone come up with any ideas how to prevent what I see as unpreventable lone wolf/bad bastard attacks ? Thankfully they are uncommon here

Exactly. As repugnant is this and similar type crimes are, hoping that this is a watershed of sorts is unrealistic; it's like hoping all crime in the world ceases.

I have seen some truly shocking tweets. It was a horrendous incident but I have seen tweets where women have said "men please stop murdering us". Relatively speaking thankfully these incidents are low compared to other countries. More education may help and tougher prison sentences for domestic abusebbut unfortunately there are always going to be sickos out there.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Saffrongael on January 15, 2022, 03:00:24 PM
Terrible tragedy & I see lots of “this must stop” type comment. Has anyone come up with any ideas how to prevent what I see as unpreventable lone wolf/bad bastard attacks ? Thankfully they are uncommon here

Exactly. As repugnant is this and similar type crimes are, hoping that this is a watershed of sorts is unrealistic; it's like hoping all crime in the world ceases.

I have seen some truly shocking tweets. It was a horrendous incident but I have seen tweets where women have said "men please stop murdering us". Relatively speaking thankfully these incidents are low compared to other countries. More education may help and tougher prison sentences for domestic abusebbut unfortunately there are always going to be sickos out there.

Unfortunately the looney bin hashtag brigade come out and some try and make it about themselves
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: JimStynes on January 15, 2022, 03:12:59 PM
Terrible tragedy & I see lots of “this must stop” type comment. Has anyone come up with any ideas how to prevent what I see as unpreventable lone wolf/bad bastard attacks ? Thankfully they are uncommon here

Exactly. As repugnant is this and similar type crimes are, hoping that this is a watershed of sorts is unrealistic; it's like hoping all crime in the world ceases.

I have seen some truly shocking tweets. It was a horrendous incident but I have seen tweets where women have said "men please stop murdering us". Relatively speaking thankfully these incidents are low compared to other countries. More education may help and tougher prison sentences for domestic abusebbut unfortunately there are always going to be sickos out there.

Unfortunately the looney bin hashtag brigade come out and some try and make it about themselves

Said it the other day. The whole thing about the young girl who has lost her life will be taken over by the social media bandwagon with hashtags about men and then counter hashtags. Social media is a cesspit at times. I feel incredibly sorry for that poor family. They will never get over this and their lives have been changed forever because of some sicko. No doubt they will be hounded by the press in the coming months too. 
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Tubberman on January 15, 2022, 03:28:23 PM
Terrible tragedy & I see lots of “this must stop” type comment. Has anyone come up with any ideas how to prevent what I see as unpreventable lone wolf/bad bastard attacks ? Thankfully they are uncommon here

Exactly. As repugnant is this and similar type crimes are, hoping that this is a watershed of sorts is unrealistic; it's like hoping all crime in the world ceases.

I have seen some truly shocking tweets. It was a horrendous incident but I have seen tweets where women have said "men please stop murdering us". Relatively speaking thankfully these incidents are low compared to other countries. More education may help and tougher prison sentences for domestic abusebbut unfortunately there are always going to be sickos out there.

Unfortunately the looney bin hashtag brigade come out and some try and make it about themselves

Said it the other day. The whole thing about the young girl who has lost her life will be taken over by the social media bandwagon with hashtags about men and then counter hashtags. Social media is a cesspit at times. I feel incredibly sorry for that poor family. They will never get over this and their lives have been changed forever because of some sicko. No doubt they will be hounded by the press in the coming months too. 

I doubt very much her family will be hounded by the press. The Irish press are a lot more sympathetic and have more respect than their British counterparts.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: tyrone08 on January 15, 2022, 04:06:29 PM
Terrible tragedy & I see lots of “this must stop” type comment. Has anyone come up with any ideas how to prevent what I see as unpreventable lone wolf/bad bastard attacks ? Thankfully they are uncommon here

Exactly. As repugnant is this and similar type crimes are, hoping that this is a watershed of sorts is unrealistic; it's like hoping all crime in the world ceases.

I have seen some truly shocking tweets. It was a horrendous incident but I have seen tweets where women have said "men please stop murdering us". Relatively speaking thankfully these incidents are low compared to other countries. More education may help and tougher prison sentences for domestic abusebbut unfortunately there are always going to be sickos out there.

Unfortunately the looney bin hashtag brigade come out and some try and make it about themselves

Said it the other day. The whole thing about the young girl who has lost her life will be taken over by the social media bandwagon with hashtags about men and then counter hashtags. Social media is a cesspit at times. I feel incredibly sorry for that poor family. They will never get over this and their lives have been changed forever because of some sicko. No doubt they will be hounded by the press in the coming months too. 

I doubt very much her family will be hounded by the press. The Irish press are a lot more sympathetic and have more respect than their British counterparts.

Think mickey harte would disagree. Think he said he was called over 60 times one weekend following the death of his daughter by someone from the Irish media.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: JimStynes on January 15, 2022, 06:36:04 PM
Terrible tragedy & I see lots of “this must stop” type comment. Has anyone come up with any ideas how to prevent what I see as unpreventable lone wolf/bad bastard attacks ? Thankfully they are uncommon here

Exactly. As repugnant is this and similar type crimes are, hoping that this is a watershed of sorts is unrealistic; it's like hoping all crime in the world ceases.

I have seen some truly shocking tweets. It was a horrendous incident but I have seen tweets where women have said "men please stop murdering us". Relatively speaking thankfully these incidents are low compared to other countries. More education may help and tougher prison sentences for domestic abusebbut unfortunately there are always going to be sickos out there.

Unfortunately the looney bin hashtag brigade come out and some try and make it about themselves

Said it the other day. The whole thing about the young girl who has lost her life will be taken over by the social media bandwagon with hashtags about men and then counter hashtags. Social media is a cesspit at times. I feel incredibly sorry for that poor family. They will never get over this and their lives have been changed forever because of some sicko. No doubt they will be hounded by the press in the coming months too. 

I doubt very much her family will be hounded by the press. The Irish press are a lot more sympathetic and have more respect than their British counterparts.

Think mickey harte would disagree. Think he said he was called over 60 times one weekend following the death of his daughter by someone from the Irish media.

Was going to say the same. In his book he talked about a journalist calling to his house to give him emails ppl had sent about Michaela. He opened up a bit to her and they talked for a while. Their private chat ended up on the front page the next day.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Main Street on January 16, 2022, 01:35:35 AM
I read in the Indo that the Gardai investigation rapidly wallowed into the mire  of great Gardai c**k ups from times past. Not only picking up an innocent bystander, the nearest foreigner,  but despite being faced with incontrovertible proof of innocence, persisted in treating his family home as a crime scene and attempted to evict  all inhabitants, one  person of ill health resisted and is now in prison awaiting trial on charges  something akin to obstructing a Gardai investigation. How can a person be charged with obstructing  a botched inept investigation?
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Hound on January 16, 2022, 07:11:33 AM
As BCB outlined above, hard to blame the Gardai when what seems to be a reliable eye witness picked him out as the assailant, there was proof he was in the area and he was known to police.  It looked like it had to be him and they just had to piece it together. The house was ransacked during the investigation, not after they had all the evidence that cleared him.

It seems awful what happened to the Romanian family. The sister must have had some reaction to get herself arrested. According to the original suspect, she has mental health problems, so all very unfortunate and presumably they are entitled to compensation.

At least they seem pretty sure they have the right guy now. Not sure how BCB knows what he looks like, but he says he looks very similar to the original suspect
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Itchy on January 16, 2022, 07:58:30 AM
Justice Minister and woman Helen McEntee asks in todays Sunday Indo just how is it that nothing has been done about violence against woman for so long.

Jez Helen, maybe we should ask the people who are in charge of law and order.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/gardai-closing-in-on-ashling-murphys-killer-with-a-new-chief-suspect-41244432.html
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: RedHand88 on January 16, 2022, 08:16:45 AM
Justice Minister and woman Helen McEntee asks in todays Sunday Indo just how is it that nothing has been done about violence against woman for so long.

Jez Helen, maybe we should ask the people who are in charge of law and order.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/gardai-closing-in-on-ashling-murphys-killer-with-a-new-chief-suspect-41244432.html

She also asks why violence against women is tolerated.

I do not know anybody who tolerates it.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 16, 2022, 08:57:22 AM
Justice Minister and woman Helen McEntee asks in todays Sunday Indo just how is it that nothing has been done about violence against woman for so long.

Jez Helen, maybe we should ask the people who are in charge of law and order.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/gardai-closing-in-on-ashling-murphys-killer-with-a-new-chief-suspect-41244432.html

She also asks why violence against women is tolerated.

I do not know anybody who tolerates it.

You're not wrong, but all I see on twitter is for men to speak out against all sorts of abuse and if we don't we're giving free rein to allow it to happen.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 16, 2022, 09:38:40 AM


At least they seem pretty sure they have the right guy now. Not sure how BCB knows what he looks like, but he says he looks very similar to the original suspect

I’ve seen a photo from CCTV which is allegedly the second man on the bicycle they are looking for. I don’t know if it’s him but if it is then you can understand how there was the mistake in identifying the Romanian.

Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: imtommygunn on January 16, 2022, 10:34:14 AM
Justice Minister and woman Helen McEntee asks in todays Sunday Indo just how is it that nothing has been done about violence against woman for so long.

Jez Helen, maybe we should ask the people who are in charge of law and order.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/gardai-closing-in-on-ashling-murphys-killer-with-a-new-chief-suspect-41244432.html

She also asks why violence against women is tolerated.

I do not know anybody who tolerates it.

You're not wrong, but all I see on twitter is for men to speak out against all sorts of abuse and if we don't we're giving free rein to allow it to happen.

I read a lot of this too. I have never known a man who is physically abusive towards a woman. If I did I would like to think I would try and do something but I have never faced that situation thankfully.

Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Itchy on January 16, 2022, 11:12:44 AM
Yep a man cannot open his mouth at the moment to point out some of the gross generalisations being made against us as a gender. However I've been thinking too and there are things we as men can do...

1- not partake or ignore in the brain dead locker room talk about women, their bodies, their looks etc. This is what makes some men think of women as a piece of meat rather than a person.
2- same for the street side comments, wolf whistling loutish shite. Don't partake,  don't tolerate it.
3- teach our sons to respect women.

A very many of us I'm sure do these things already but some clearly don't.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 16, 2022, 11:24:43 AM
It takes a long time before someone becomes a murderer.
They go through various different stages , probably starting in early childhood when we learn to respect other people. The courts are full of people who flip given a trigger. 
Some families are toxic. Some people are psychopaths. How to intervene in the process is the question.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Rossfan on January 16, 2022, 11:27:02 AM
The Sindo may as well have named the "person of interest".
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: J70 on January 16, 2022, 11:39:00 AM
Men and society objectify woman. They're seen and rated as objects of desire first, people second. Where you draw the line in what is acceptable varies from person to person, but that's what it comes down to.

Even the supposed code where a man will back off approaching a woman because he sees she has a boyfriend or husband is still treating her as something to be possessed. The "respect" of backing off is given to the other man, not to the woman herself.

As men we need to start teaching our sons how to respect and treat woman as people and to stop either engaging in or giving tacit approval to abusive behaviour, even if its only something as "harmless" as wolf-whistling or blowing the horn as you drive past.

Woman are absolutely right to be broad in their accusations and men need to just shut the f**k up and listen. We're all part of the abusive system that exists.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Rossfan on January 16, 2022, 11:59:32 AM
Start with Tabloids and their photos!
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: nrico2006 on January 16, 2022, 12:12:00 PM
Start with Tabloids and their photos!

What photos?
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 16, 2022, 12:18:53 PM
I think.making women feel uncomfortable and murdering women are 2 separate things. We can probably work on the latter. 244 murders since 96 is about 10 per year. Maybe 6 are in relationships.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: J70 on January 16, 2022, 12:26:00 PM
And when a woman backs off pursuing a relationship with a man upon seeing that he is already in a relationship, is it because she sees him as the possession of another? Is she giving all of the respect to the other woman and none to the man?

I do agree that we should strive for a society in which women are given a hell of a lot more respect. That doesn’t stop some of the narrative on this being bullshit.

I’m probably cancelled now  ::)

Oh you poor victim.

If and when men experience even a tiny fraction of the unwanted and unsolicited attention that the average woman (without a man) does day in, day out, whether it's in the pub, in the gym, walking down the road or out for a run, you might have a point.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: J70 on January 16, 2022, 12:35:35 PM
I think.making women feel uncomfortable and murdering women are 2 separate things. We can probably work on the latter. 244 murders since 96 is about 10 per year. Maybe 6 are in relationships.

Obviously two very separate things in degree.

But definitely a lot of commonality in underlying reasons.

And we can work on both.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: nrico2006 on January 16, 2022, 01:00:06 PM
Plus not all attention is unwanted.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: J70 on January 16, 2022, 01:04:14 PM
And when a woman backs off pursuing a relationship with a man upon seeing that he is already in a relationship, is it because she sees him as the possession of another? Is she giving all of the respect to the other woman and none to the man?

I do agree that we should strive for a society in which women are given a hell of a lot more respect. That doesn’t stop some of the narrative on this being bullshit.

I’m probably cancelled now  ::)

Oh you poor victim.

If and when men experience even a tiny fraction of the unwanted and unsolicited attention that the average woman (without a man) does day in, day out, whether it's in the pub, in the gym, walking down the road or out for a run, you might have a point.

But nobody is speaking against any of that. We all accept that there is a problem with those things.
It’s the shite people like you add in, such as your “backing off” theory that is complete and utter nonsense and should be allowed to be called out for such. Yet, it isn’t. Why? Because I would only have a point if all those other things happened to men. Repeat the cycle.

If its such nonsense, why is it only women without men who are subject to attention, harassment and worse from other men? The only variable is the presence of the second man, yet that changes the whole situation.

If woman are just as culpable in these attitudes, make the case.


Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: J70 on January 16, 2022, 01:07:06 PM
Plus not all attention is unwanted.

So these women are all full of shit?
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: general_lee on January 16, 2022, 01:25:22 PM
It’s all pretty fucked up. I think we are living in challenging times. We now have a generation that has grown up looking at porn from a young age, moved straight on to social media apps like Instagram and Snapchat, you have awful role models that young people look up to, garbage on tv like love island. All this combines into a misleading array of what is and isn’t real life, what behaviour should be expected and is acceptable and how women and young girls should be treated. I know first hand from a girl I know who was able to rhyme off a load of lads I know who have sent unsolicited pictures, messages on social media, tried it on etc and these are men in their 30s. This might not directly relate to the horrendous attack on Aisling but there is still a conversation to be had with our young men.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 16, 2022, 02:21:04 PM
I think.making women feel uncomfortable and murdering women are 2 separate things. We can probably work on the former.

 244 murders since 1996 is about 10 per year. Maybe 6 are in relationships. We need the right stats but I dunno what else can be done.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: thewobbler on January 16, 2022, 03:13:10 PM
It’s all pretty fucked up. I think we are living in challenging times. We now have a generation that has grown up looking at porn from a young age, moved straight on to social media apps like Instagram and Snapchat, you have awful role models that young people look up to, garbage on tv like love island. All this combines into a misleading array of what is and isn’t real life, what behaviour should be expected and is acceptable and how women and young girls should be treated. I know first hand from a girl I know who was able to rhyme off a load of lads I know who have sent unsolicited pictures, messages on social media, tried it on etc and these are men in their 30s. This might not directly relate to the horrendous attack on Aisling but there is still a conversation to be had with our young men.

Conversely I doubt there has ever been a safer time in the history of society to be female.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: HokeyPokey on January 16, 2022, 06:28:44 PM
It's depressing, but not surprising to see some posters trying to minimise what women experience. Yes, there's never been a more safe time and things have improved dramatically, but we have a long way to go yet. It wasn't that long ago that marital rape was legal, divorce was illegal and women were forced to give up their careers when they married and legally referred to as the sub spouse. And that's before you consider the societal attitudes, magdalene laundries, mother and baby homes... And while we have moved some things forward; new issues are rearing their heads spurred by technology and the fraying of community and families support groups.

Some posters seem to be suggesting that the murder of women can't be avoided. This is just one of the extremes of what women face. There is a clear issue in how women are treated and society's attitude towards women. Most of the murderers are known to the victims and are often partners.

 It's not enough to not be sexist, we have to be actively against sexism. Nobody is born a murderer.  It shouldn't be the norm that women are terrified to walk home alone at night or go for a run in broad daylight. Educating young men, talking to our friends, brothers, sons etc., calling out bad behaviour would help so much. Clearly a lot of men can't deal with their emotions which leads to violence, alcoholism and other issues, women so often the victims.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: nrico2006 on January 16, 2022, 06:44:26 PM
Plus not all attention is unwanted.

So these women are all full of shit?

No, but you only have to open Instagram etc. to see that there are a lot of women who want attention. 
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: smort on January 16, 2022, 06:46:40 PM
Jesus christ, what is going on in here
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: HokeyPokey on January 16, 2022, 07:27:52 PM
Plus not all attention is unwanted.

So these women are all full of shit?

No, but you only have to open Instagram etc. to see that there are a lot of women who want attention.

There's people of both sexes who seek attention. But what has that got to do with men harassing and being violent towards women? What is the point you are making?
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: greatpoint on January 16, 2022, 07:40:42 PM
Whatever happened with the needle ‘spiking’ crisis pre-Christmas?
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: full moon on January 16, 2022, 07:49:36 PM
Whatever happened with the needle ‘spiking’ crisis pre-Christmas?
Likely quietly dropped by the media when it was clear it was more nonsense.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Orior on January 16, 2022, 08:58:03 PM
Plus not all attention is unwanted.

So these women are all full of shit?

No, but you only have to open Instagram etc. to see that there are a lot of women who want attention.

There's people of both sexes who seek attention. But what has that got to do with men harassing and being violent towards women? What is the point you are making?


I think the point is that you cannot pigeon-hole all men into one box, and you also cannot pigeon-hole all women into one box. By way of example, I believe that there are women who love attention and there are those that do not.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 16, 2022, 09:13:22 PM
It's depressing, but not surprising to see some posters trying to minimise what women experience. Yes, there's never been a more safe time and things have improved dramatically, but we have a long way to go yet. It wasn't that long ago that marital rape was legal, divorce was illegal and women were forced to give up their careers when they married and legally referred to as the sub spouse. And that's before you consider the societal attitudes, magdalene laundries, mother and baby homes... And while we have moved some things forward; new issues are rearing their heads spurred by technology and the fraying of community and families support groups.

Some posters seem to be suggesting that the murder of women can't be avoided. This is just one of the extremes of what women face. There is a clear issue in how women are treated and society's attitude towards women. Most of the murderers are known to the victims and are often partners.

 It's not enough to not be sexist, we have to be actively against sexism. Nobody is born a murderer.  It shouldn't be the norm that women are terrified to walk home alone at night or go for a run in broad daylight. Educating young men, talking to our friends, brothers, sons etc., calling out bad behaviour would help so much. Clearly a lot of men can't deal with their emotions which leads to violence, alcoholism and other issues, women so often the victims.
There has been some shite talked on this subject over the past few days. Absolutely call out misogyny, sexism, violence against women, however that isn't going to get us to a point of zero violence towards women; including murder. I'm pretty sure all murderers know that all these things, including murder, are wrong so you or I telling them it's bad won't make a difference if they are suffering from mental health and/or substance abuse problems within a relationship. Unfortunately people will still be killing each other for the usual reasons of love, lust, power, money, revenge etc. in 1000 years regardless of how many vigils and hashtags we have.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: full moon on January 16, 2022, 09:31:00 PM
It's depressing, but not surprising to see some posters trying to minimise what women experience. Yes, there's never been a more safe time and things have improved dramatically, but we have a long way to go yet. It wasn't that long ago that marital rape was legal, divorce was illegal and women were forced to give up their careers when they married and legally referred to as the sub spouse. And that's before you consider the societal attitudes, magdalene laundries, mother and baby homes... And while we have moved some things forward; new issues are rearing their heads spurred by technology and the fraying of community and families support groups.

Some posters seem to be suggesting that the murder of women can't be avoided. This is just one of the extremes of what women face. There is a clear issue in how women are treated and society's attitude towards women. Most of the murderers are known to the victims and are often partners.

 It's not enough to not be sexist, we have to be actively against sexism. Nobody is born a murderer.  It shouldn't be the norm that women are terrified to walk home alone at night or go for a run in broad daylight. Educating young men, talking to our friends, brothers, sons etc., calling out bad behaviour would help so much. Clearly a lot of men can't deal with their emotions which leads to violence, alcoholism and other issues, women so often the victims.
There has been some shite talked on this subject over the past few days. Absolutely call out misogyny, sexism, violence against women, however that isn't going to get us to a point of zero violence towards women; including murder. I'm pretty sure all murderers know that all these things, including murder, are wrong so you or I telling them it's bad won't make a difference if they are suffering from mental health and/or substance abuse problems within a relationship. Unfortunately people will still be killing each other for the usual reasons of love, lust, power, money, revenge etc. in 1000 years regardless of how many vigils and hashtags we have.
Totally agree there Tony. Was going to respond to that other post also but it's not worth the hassle.

Sam McConkey was on rte radio today suggesting men should get 12 lessons and a license before being let out in public! I'm afraid the usual suspects have now hijacked this tragedy for their own agendas and to look good on social media. Shameful stuff, but par for the course with certain groups, politicians, commentators etc.

Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: screenexile on January 16, 2022, 09:32:34 PM
It’s all pretty fucked up. I think we are living in challenging times. We now have a generation that has grown up looking at porn from a young age, moved straight on to social media apps like Instagram and Snapchat, you have awful role models that young people look up to, garbage on tv like love island. All this combines into a misleading array of what is and isn’t real life, what behaviour should be expected and is acceptable and how women and young girls should be treated. I know first hand from a girl I know who was able to rhyme off a load of lads I know who have sent unsolicited pictures, messages on social media, tried it on etc and these are men in their 30s. This might not directly relate to the horrendous attack on Aisling but there is still a conversation to be had with our young men.

Conversely I doubt there has ever been a safer time in the history of society to be female.

Yeah women are having a great time at the minute!!

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1482817514241417218?s=21

I think we need to f**k up on this one it’s struck a chord with a lot of women and they’re demanding changes and they’re right!!
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: full moon on January 16, 2022, 09:43:59 PM
It’s all pretty fucked up. I think we are living in challenging times. We now have a generation that has grown up looking at porn from a young age, moved straight on to social media apps like Instagram and Snapchat, you have awful role models that young people look up to, garbage on tv like love island. All this combines into a misleading array of what is and isn’t real life, what behaviour should be expected and is acceptable and how women and young girls should be treated. I know first hand from a girl I know who was able to rhyme off a load of lads I know who have sent unsolicited pictures, messages on social media, tried it on etc and these are men in their 30s. This might not directly relate to the horrendous attack on Aisling but there is still a conversation to be had with our young men.

Conversely I doubt there has ever been a safer time in the history of society to be female.

Yeah women are having a great time at the minute!!

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1482817514241417218?s=21

I think we need to f**k up on this one it’s struck a chord with a lot of women and they’re demanding changes and they’re right!!

That women from that account quoted is a pornstar/ OnlyFans account. Don't think she represents women at all. People like that are part of the problem.

Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 16, 2022, 09:51:05 PM
Think this thread needs to be keep directly on the heartbreaking incident as its going off on a wide varying tangent here.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: HokeyPokey on January 16, 2022, 10:41:33 PM
Plus not all attention is unwanted.

So these women are all full of shit?

No, but you only have to open Instagram etc. to see that there are a lot of women who want attention.

There's people of both sexes who seek attention. But what has that got to do with men harassing and being violent towards women? What is the point you are making?


I think the point is that you cannot pigeon-hole all men into one box, and you also cannot pigeon-hole all women into one box. By way of example, I believe that there are women who love attention and there are those that do not.

Yes. I agree, but how is that point relevant? How does certain women liking attention have anything to do with harassment and violence against women?
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: RedHand88 on January 16, 2022, 10:43:38 PM
I'm deleting the Internet and going to live up a mountain.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: HokeyPokey on January 16, 2022, 11:02:51 PM
It's depressing, but not surprising to see some posters trying to minimise what women experience. Yes, there's never been a more safe time and things have improved dramatically, but we have a long way to go yet. It wasn't that long ago that marital rape was legal, divorce was illegal and women were forced to give up their careers when they married and legally referred to as the sub spouse. And that's before you consider the societal attitudes, magdalene laundries, mother and baby homes... And while we have moved some things forward; new issues are rearing their heads spurred by technology and the fraying of community and families support groups.

Some posters seem to be suggesting that the murder of women can't be avoided. This is just one of the extremes of what women face. There is a clear issue in how women are treated and society's attitude towards women. Most of the murderers are known to the victims and are often partners.

 It's not enough to not be sexist, we have to be actively against sexism. Nobody is born a murderer.  It shouldn't be the norm that women are terrified to walk home alone at night or go for a run in broad daylight. Educating young men, talking to our friends, brothers, sons etc., calling out bad behaviour would help so much. Clearly a lot of men can't deal with their emotions which leads to violence, alcoholism and other issues, women so often the victims.
There has been some shite talked on this subject over the past few days. Absolutely call out misogyny, sexism, violence against women, however that isn't going to get us to a point of zero violence towards women; including murder. I'm pretty sure all murderers know that all these things, including murder, are wrong so you or I telling them it's bad won't make a difference if they are suffering from mental health and/or substance abuse problems within a relationship. Unfortunately people will still be killing each other for the usual reasons of love, lust, power, money, revenge etc. in 1000 years regardless of how many vigils and hashtags we have.

You shouldn't be trying to minimise. Pointing out that we will never get to a point of zero violence, sexism, misogyny, is not a reason to not take action. Problems don't get solved with passivity and fatalism. Raising the issue forces people (mainly men) to reflect, it forces people and politicians to take action. One in five women have been raped in their lifetime. Forty-nine percent of women report being sexually assaulted or harassed. This is not unavoidable. There are many actions that need to be taken by governments and individuals.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: HokeyPokey on January 16, 2022, 11:13:31 PM
It’s all pretty fucked up. I think we are living in challenging times. We now have a generation that has grown up looking at porn from a young age, moved straight on to social media apps like Instagram and Snapchat, you have awful role models that young people look up to, garbage on tv like love island. All this combines into a misleading array of what is and isn’t real life, what behaviour should be expected and is acceptable and how women and young girls should be treated. I know first hand from a girl I know who was able to rhyme off a load of lads I know who have sent unsolicited pictures, messages on social media, tried it on etc and these are men in their 30s. This might not directly relate to the horrendous attack on Aisling but there is still a conversation to be had with our young men.

Conversely I doubt there has ever been a safer time in the history of society to be female.

Yeah women are having a great time at the minute!!

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1482817514241417218?s=21

I think we need to f**k up on this one it’s struck a chord with a lot of women and they’re demanding changes and they’re right!!

That women from that account quoted is a pornstar/ OnlyFans account. Don't think she represents women at all. People like that are part of the problem.

I think the most pertinent fact here is that a man saw fit to stream a video of masturbation in an online vigil for a young woman who was murdered. I don't think we should distract from that by focusing on a bystander to that.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Rossfan on January 16, 2022, 11:18:38 PM
Right wing extremist filth showing their true hateful colours in Limerick

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40786386.html
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: thewobbler on January 16, 2022, 11:43:15 PM
It's depressing, but not surprising to see some posters trying to minimise what women experience. Yes, there's never been a more safe time and things have improved dramatically, but we have a long way to go yet. It wasn't that long ago that marital rape was legal, divorce was illegal and women were forced to give up their careers when they married and legally referred to as the sub spouse. And that's before you consider the societal attitudes, magdalene laundries, mother and baby homes... And while we have moved some things forward; new issues are rearing their heads spurred by technology and the fraying of community and families support groups.

Some posters seem to be suggesting that the murder of women can't be avoided. This is just one of the extremes of what women face. There is a clear issue in how women are treated and society's attitude towards women. Most of the murderers are known to the victims and are often partners.

 It's not enough to not be sexist, we have to be actively against sexism. Nobody is born a murderer.  It shouldn't be the norm that women are terrified to walk home alone at night or go for a run in broad daylight. Educating young men, talking to our friends, brothers, sons etc., calling out bad behaviour would help so much. Clearly a lot of men can't deal with their emotions which leads to violence, alcoholism and other issues, women so often the victims.
There has been some shite talked on this subject over the past few days. Absolutely call out misogyny, sexism, violence against women, however that isn't going to get us to a point of zero violence towards women; including murder. I'm pretty sure all murderers know that all these things, including murder, are wrong so you or I telling them it's bad won't make a difference if they are suffering from mental health and/or substance abuse problems within a relationship. Unfortunately people will still be killing each other for the usual reasons of love, lust, power, money, revenge etc. in 1000 years regardless of how many vigils and hashtags we have.

You shouldn't be trying to minimise. Pointing out that we will never get to a point of zero violence, sexism, misogyny, is not a reason to not take action. Problems don't get solved with passivity and fatalism. Raising the issue forces people (mainly men) to reflect, it forces people and politicians to take action. One in five women have been raped in their lifetime. Forty-nine percent of women report being sexually assaulted or harassed. This is not unavoidable. There are many actions that need to be taken by governments and individuals.

First up I’m not disagreeing with you. Any improvement in humanity should be encouraged.

But we are talking about half the population of the world. Or on more localised scales, half the population of country, county, city or town. And with no commonality among the half in terms of culture, tradition, education, upbringing or sexual persuasion. Their only clear commonality is that they have a penis i.e. are born of the one gender. And there is an oddity in that if a campaign was to focus on educating more specific group of loosely bound men - e.g all Catholic men, all Jewish men, all Irish men, all black men, all red haired men - telling them that they must do better, then that group face an uproar. But targeting “all men” is just too vague, too broad, too easy to ignore.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: trileacman on January 17, 2022, 12:55:45 AM
It's depressing, but not surprising to see some posters trying to minimise what women experience. Yes, there's never been a more safe time and things have improved dramatically, but we have a long way to go yet. It wasn't that long ago that marital rape was legal, divorce was illegal and women were forced to give up their careers when they married and legally referred to as the sub spouse. And that's before you consider the societal attitudes, magdalene laundries, mother and baby homes... And while we have moved some things forward; new issues are rearing their heads spurred by technology and the fraying of community and families support groups.

Some posters seem to be suggesting that the murder of women can't be avoided. This is just one of the extremes of what women face. There is a clear issue in how women are treated and society's attitude towards women. Most of the murderers are known to the victims and are often partners.

 It's not enough to not be sexist, we have to be actively against sexism. Nobody is born a murderer.  It shouldn't be the norm that women are terrified to walk home alone at night or go for a run in broad daylight. Educating young men, talking to our friends, brothers, sons etc., calling out bad behaviour would help so much. Clearly a lot of men can't deal with their emotions which leads to violence, alcoholism and other issues, women so often the victims.
There has been some shite talked on this subject over the past few days. Absolutely call out misogyny, sexism, violence against women, however that isn't going to get us to a point of zero violence towards women; including murder. I'm pretty sure all murderers know that all these things, including murder, are wrong so you or I telling them it's bad won't make a difference if they are suffering from mental health and/or substance abuse problems within a relationship. Unfortunately people will still be killing each other for the usual reasons of love, lust, power, money, revenge etc. in 1000 years regardless of how many vigils and hashtags we have.

You shouldn't be trying to minimise. Pointing out that we will never get to a point of zero violence, sexism, misogyny, is not a reason to not take action. Problems don't get solved with passivity and fatalism. Raising the issue forces people (mainly men) to reflect, it forces people and politicians to take action. One in five women have been raped in their lifetime. Forty-nine percent of women report being sexually assaulted or harassed. This is not unavoidable. There are many actions that need to be taken by governments and individuals.

First up I’m not disagreeing with you. Any improvement in humanity should be encouraged.

But we are talking about half the population of the world. Or on more localised scales, half the population of country, county, city or town. And with no commonality among the half in terms of culture, tradition, education, upbringing or sexual persuasion. Their only clear commonality is that they have a penis i.e. are born of the one gender. And there is an oddity in that if a campaign was to focus on educating more specific group of loosely bound men - e.g all Catholic men, all Jewish men, all Irish men, all black men, all red haired men - telling them that they must do better, then that group face an uproar. But targeting “all men” is just too vague, too broad, too easy to ignore.

Agree with that sentiment. Of the women in Ireland who were murdered in the last 3 years a disproportionately high amount were murdered by non-nationals. The stats were in the Irish times today. Yet no-one and I include myself in that would dare to suggest it’s the non-nationals who are the problem or the danger here. So why has this descended into a men v women argument across social media?

The attacks and deaths were so varied and incomparable that describing it as a issue with patriarchal or men’s role is society is simply just incorrect. For example one was the murdered suicide in lixnaw co Kerry where a 60 year old man killed his wife. Another was where a middle aged Mongolian women was stabbed outside the IFSC by a 15 year old boy. Another was the murder of a woman by her teenage son.

Collectively gathering up these deaths of women by men and ascribing their cause to a ingrained chauvinistic society is wrong in my opinion. Chauvinistic attitudes do exist, many women are challenged by sexist attitudes but I question the degree to which these attitudes contribute to premeditated murder.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 17, 2022, 05:56:55 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1482730209312968706
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Armagh18 on January 17, 2022, 08:49:23 AM
Awful lot going on here and since it’s a thread about the murder of Aisling Murphy I’m not going to wade in on the whole sexism/harassment/misogyny thing. Moderators can that talk be moved to a separate thread as there is a discussion to be had but this isn’t the thread for it.

Back to the topic, I was in the Athletic grounds for the Ulster final yesterday and there was the lovely gesture of a minutes silence for Aisling before the game. 
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: NAG1 on January 17, 2022, 09:18:15 AM
Yeah could we keep this one on topic for Ashling or other women who have suffered the same horrible untimely demise.

If someone wants to open another thread to discuss the wider issues that have flooded social media since the incident that might be more appropriate.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Cavan19 on January 17, 2022, 09:35:12 AM
Fully agree with last two posts.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 17, 2022, 10:03:31 AM
There is disturbing evidence of polarisation ie men vs women . I think some values need to be reassessed. Women seem to be looking for that. It will take time.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 17, 2022, 10:36:08 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ashling-murphy-murder-suspect-being-treated-for-injuries-he-could-not-satisfactorily-explain-1.4778075

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The Garda investigation into the murder of Ashling Murphy last night remained focused heavily on a man being treated for a variety of wounds in a Dublin hospital.

His DNA was being cross-checked against a DNA profile taken from the crime scene and forensic evidence on a mountain bike found there and believed to have been used by the killer.

Garda divers were also searching the Grand Canal at Cappincur, Tullamore, Co Offaly, yesterday looking for evidence, specifically a weapon, following Ms Murphy’s murder last Wednesday at about 4pm. A facility in Co Offaly used by the public was also searched for a weapon at the weekend.

The suspect for Ms Murphy’s murder, who has a partner and children, has been in hospital since last Thursday night. He had sustained a mix of wounds, some of which are believed to be self-inflicted and serious. The suspect must also be mentally assessed before being interviewed and it was unclear last night when those checks would be completed.

Gardaí went to the Dublin hospital after being alerted by medical staff that a man was being treated for serious injuries he could not satisfactorily explain. When initial checks were made, links to Co Offaly quickly emerged. While the suspect has spoken to gardaí briefly, he has not been arrested.

Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: RedHand88 on January 17, 2022, 10:40:45 AM
There is disturbing evidence of polarisation ie men vs women . I think some values need to be reassessed. Women seem to be looking for that. It will take time.

Men v women
Conservatives v liberals
Woke v traditionalists

It's getting worse. Most people fall in the middle of issues but they are being drowned out by extremists on both sides screaming at each other. I blame social media.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: JimStynes on January 17, 2022, 10:55:16 AM
There is disturbing evidence of polarisation ie men vs women . I think some values need to be reassessed. Women seem to be looking for that. It will take time.

Men v women
Conservatives v liberals
Woke v traditionalists

It's getting worse. Most people fall in the middle of issues but they are being drowned out by extremists on both sides screaming at each other. I blame social media.

That’s a good way of putting it! Social media is a lot to blame. Everything is a hashtag.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Itchy on January 17, 2022, 11:12:02 AM
There is disturbing evidence of polarisation ie men vs women . I think some values need to be reassessed. Women seem to be looking for that. It will take time.

Men v women
Conservatives v liberals
Woke v traditionalists

It's getting worse. Most people fall in the middle of issues but they are being drowned out by extremists on both sides screaming at each other. I blame social media.

That’s a good way of putting it! Social media is a lot to blame. Everything is a hashtag.

In this case social media was fed by the old traditional media releasing leaks from Gardai. But I do accept the polarisation on social media is awful to see.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Orior on January 17, 2022, 11:39:22 AM
There is disturbing evidence of polarisation ie men vs women . I think some values need to be reassessed. Women seem to be looking for that. It will take time.

Men v women
Conservatives v liberals
Woke v traditionalists

It's getting worse. Most people fall in the middle of issues but they are being drowned out by extremists on both sides screaming at each other. I blame social media.

That’s a good way of putting it! Social media is a lot to blame. Everything is a hashtag.

In this case social media was fed by the old traditional media releasing leaks from Gardai. But I do accept the polarisation on social media is awful to see.

Totally agree
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Dougal Maguire on January 17, 2022, 12:21:51 PM
A serious feminist bandwagon is now developing on foot of this tragic incident with everyone from the IRFU, men only golf clubs, inequality in pay and job opportunities and Irish mammies being blamed for developing a culture which would appear to breed men who will murder women. And all these accusations being made without a single shred of supporting evidence. For instance where does Ireland sit in comparison with other countries as regards domestic violence statistics. How many Irish men have randomly murdered women?  Aisling Murphys murder was a heinous action it’s very wrong to use it as a means to  but those who are using it pursue their own agenda need to be called out. If it turns out to be a foreign national will that then be open house for the racist agenda to take centre stage
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 17, 2022, 12:26:00 PM
There is disturbing evidence of polarisation ie men vs women . I think some values need to be reassessed. Women seem to be looking for that. It will take time.

Men v women
Conservatives v liberals
Woke v traditionalists

It's getting worse. Most people fall in the middle of issues but they are being drowned out by extremists on both sides screaming at each other. I blame social media.

That’s a good way of putting it! Social media is a lot to blame. Everything is a hashtag.
#hashtag
Social media is an echo chamber but polarisation comes from somewhere else.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 17, 2022, 12:49:22 PM
You can either read the social media about it or not, I chose not too, there were some other #fights on facebook which I just deleted them rather than have it popping up all the time.

I've two daughters, one similar age, reading the story is heartbreaking enough, without it being a 24/7 thing, my wife is stressed enough that one works in a bar in Belfast and lives in Belfast with friends from college, having this reminding that she is walking home from work isn't good for our health!

Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Dag Dog on January 17, 2022, 02:54:04 PM
It's an appalling tragedy and dreadful for the girl's family and friends.
Agree with a lot of posts here. People, especially on social media can't wait to use these events to further their own agenda.

Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Saffrongael on January 17, 2022, 03:45:21 PM
Has Allison Morris weighed in yet? She reckons the weather is misogynistic
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: RedHand88 on January 17, 2022, 03:46:23 PM
Simon McConkey is in the radio saying men should take lessons/get a licence to go out socially.

Im beginning to think we are living in a simulation and someone somewhere is pushing buttons.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: greatpoint on January 17, 2022, 04:38:57 PM
Whatever happened with the needle ‘spiking’ crisis pre-Christmas?
Likely quietly dropped by the media when it was clear it was more nonsense.

As in the claims weren’t genuine? It’s very strange to see such a furore created and then seemingly completely dropped with no explanation.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Dag Dog on January 17, 2022, 07:08:12 PM
I don't know about the needle spikings but a lot of the claimed cases of drinks spiking are simply the person getting blotto on alcohol.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 17, 2022, 07:18:19 PM
Has Allison Morris weighed in yet? She reckons the weather is misogynistic

Can't stand her. Hate the world.

Good rest that poor girl and her family.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 17, 2022, 07:30:24 PM
https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22051468/
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Orior on January 17, 2022, 09:42:28 PM
Has Allison Morris weighed in yet? She reckons the weather is misogynistic

Can't stand her. Hate the world.

Good rest that poor girl and her family.

Hey, easy on. She was physically abused by her ex-husband.

I think she is doing a grand job standing up for catholics in the protestant Belfast Telegraph.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Saffrongael on January 17, 2022, 09:48:26 PM
Has Allison Morris weighed in yet? She reckons the weather is misogynistic

Can't stand her. Hate the world.

Good rest that poor girl and her family.

Hey, easy on. She was physically abused by her ex-husband.

I think she is doing a grand job standing up for catholics in the protestant Belfast Telegraph.

She is an arsehole
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: imtommygunn on January 17, 2022, 10:08:39 PM
I don’t know what to make of her tbh. Is she using violence against women to make a name for herself or using her name to raise the violence against women angle.

I know that is glass half full vs glass half empty but one thing that stood out for me was when Naomi long got significant abuse by one individual on Twitter regarding her weight.(it was really vitriolic) she runs an article on it however if she had researched, or maybe she did, maybe she would have seen that the same boy did the same to a male sdlp councillor. He was a piece of shit and it was nothing to do with misogyny.

I worry sometimes that the mens attitude to women and violence etc , which need a lot of attention might I add, like this may fall into the cry wolf territory if things which aren’t in this category are labelled as it.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 17, 2022, 11:05:08 PM
Has Allison Morris weighed in yet? She reckons the weather is misogynistic

Can't stand her. Hate the world.

Good rest that poor girl and her family.

Hey, easy on. She was physically abused by her ex-husband.

I think she is doing a grand job standing up for catholics in the protestant Belfast Telegraph.

Miserable dose of a woman, not a professional at all, we all have been abused in some way sometime in our lives but her hatred of men is blinding her to everything else
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: tiempo on January 18, 2022, 12:11:32 AM
There is disturbing evidence of polarisation ie men vs women . I think some values need to be reassessed. Women seem to be looking for that. It will take time.

Men v women
Conservatives v liberals
Woke v traditionalists

It's getting worse. Most people fall in the middle of issues but they are being drowned out by extremists on both sides screaming at each other. I blame social media.

That’s a good way of putting it! Social media is a lot to blame. Everything is a hashtag.

Including sadly a lot of "outpourings" of this case
#shewasgoingforarun
Pay your respects privately or collectively but put the fecking phone away otherwise it reeks of crass "like and share" opportunism. Oh look I'm part of this weeks movement, and we're going viral...
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Saffrongael on January 18, 2022, 08:00:04 AM
There is disturbing evidence of polarisation ie men vs women . I think some values need to be reassessed. Women seem to be looking for that. It will take time.

Men v women
Conservatives v liberals
Woke v traditionalists

It's getting worse. Most people fall in the middle of issues but they are being drowned out by extremists on both sides screaming at each other. I blame social media.

That’s a good way of putting it! Social media is a lot to blame. Everything is a hashtag.

Including sadly a lot of "outpourings" of this case
#shewasgoingforarun
Pay your respects privately or collectively but put the fecking phone away otherwise it reeks of crass "like and share" opportunism. Oh look I'm part of this weeks movement, and we're going viral...

Like
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: johnnycool on January 18, 2022, 08:13:01 AM
Has Allison Morris weighed in yet? She reckons the weather is misogynistic

Can't stand her. Hate the world.

Good rest that poor girl and her family.

Hey, easy on. She was physically abused by her ex-husband.

I think she is doing a grand job standing up for catholics in the protestant Belfast Telegraph.

Miserable dose of a woman, not a professional at all, we all have been abused in some way sometime in our lives but her hatred of men is blinding her to everything else

If Allison Morris is the issue then we are really up shít creek. I've seen her article and it's based on indisputable facts around abuse levelled towards women.

I think we should deal with that before worrying about the miniscule amounts of cry wolf events in comparison to the real events.

And she's right that education on this should be addressed at school as it can't be left to the parents in a lot of instances...

Think about the top shaggers and have a look at the likes of Jeff Anderson and then come back to what Allison Morris is talking about.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 18, 2022, 08:20:29 AM
Has Allison Morris weighed in yet? She reckons the weather is misogynistic

Can't stand her. Hate the world.

Good rest that poor girl and her family.

Hey, easy on. She was physically abused by her ex-husband.

I think she is doing a grand job standing up for catholics in the protestant Belfast Telegraph.

Miserable dose of a woman, not a professional at all, we all have been abused in some way sometime in our lives but her hatred of men is blinding her to everything else

If Allison Morris is the issue then we are really up shít creek. I've seen her article and it's based on indisputable facts around abuse levelled towards women.

I think we should deal with that before worrying about the miniscule amounts of cry wolf events in comparison to the real events.

And she's right that education on this should be addressed at school as it can't be left to the parents in a lot of instances...

Think about the top shaggers and have a look at the likes of Jeff Anderson and then come back to what Allison Morris is talking about.
Violence against women is a structural problem that needs a coherent  Govt response. Nothing to do with Allison Morris.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Itchy on January 18, 2022, 08:23:58 AM
Has Allison Morris weighed in yet? She reckons the weather is misogynistic

Can't stand her. Hate the world.

Good rest that poor girl and her family.

Hey, easy on. She was physically abused by her ex-husband.

I think she is doing a grand job standing up for catholics in the protestant Belfast Telegraph.

Miserable dose of a woman, not a professional at all, we all have been abused in some way sometime in our lives but her hatred of men is blinding her to everything else

If Allison Morris is the issue then we are really up shít creek. I've seen her article and it's based on indisputable facts around abuse levelled towards women.

I think we should deal with that before worrying about the miniscule amounts of cry wolf events in comparison to the real events.

And she's right that education on this should be addressed at school as it can't be left to the parents in a lot of instances...

Think about the top shaggers and have a look at the likes of Jeff Anderson and then come back to what Allison Morris is talking about.
Violence against women is a structural problem that needs a coherent  Govt response. Nothing to do with Allison Morris.

Surely a lot of this comes back to community policing. I cannot remember the last time I saw a guard on the street walking in my local town or the nearby town of 10k where we all go to socialise etc. A few guards spinning around in cars is all you ever see.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 18, 2022, 08:45:00 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ashling-murphy-s-sister-pays-tribute-to-young-teacher-ahead-of-funeral-today-1.4779394

“Our family kindly asks that any musicians attending please bring their instrument and play music at lower town cemetery after Mass should you wish.”
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 18, 2022, 08:53:22 AM
Has Allison Morris weighed in yet? She reckons the weather is misogynistic

Can't stand her. Hate the world.

Good rest that poor girl and her family.

Hey, easy on. She was physically abused by her ex-husband.

I think she is doing a grand job standing up for catholics in the protestant Belfast Telegraph.

Miserable dose of a woman, not a professional at all, we all have been abused in some way sometime in our lives but her hatred of men is blinding her to everything else

If Allison Morris is the issue then we are really up shít creek. I've seen her article and it's based on indisputable facts around abuse levelled towards women.

I think we should deal with that before worrying about the miniscule amounts of cry wolf events in comparison to the real events.

And she's right that education on this should be addressed at school as it can't be left to the parents in a lot of instances...

Think about the top shaggers and have a look at the likes of Jeff Anderson and then come back to what Allison Morris is talking about.
Violence against women is a structural problem that needs a coherent  Govt response. Nothing to do with Allison Morris.

Surely a lot of this comes back to community policing. I cannot remember the last time I saw a guard on the street walking in my local town or the nearby town of 10k where we all go to socialise etc. A few guards spinning around in cars is all you ever see.
It would probably mean a few changes
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/older-women-on-gender-based-violence-it-s-too-much-to-expect-a-sudden-watershed-moment-1.4778937
She would like to see confidence-building “and teaching women to be aware of our surroundings” in schools, while boys need to be taught to respect women and to intervene.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 18, 2022, 09:13:44 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/an-attack-on-all-women-north-s-politicians-hold-vigil-for-ashling-murphy-1.4778873

DUP First Minister Paul Givan, who was joined by DUP party leader Jeffrey Donaldson at the vigil, said people in Northern Ireland and the Republic had come together as one community to share in grief over the murder of Ms Murphy.

“All of us have come together in the past number of days to show our revulsion for what has happened to Ashling Murphy and to stand in support of Ashling and her family,” he said.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: johnnycool on January 18, 2022, 09:28:30 AM
Has Allison Morris weighed in yet? She reckons the weather is misogynistic

Can't stand her. Hate the world.

Good rest that poor girl and her family.

Hey, easy on. She was physically abused by her ex-husband.

I think she is doing a grand job standing up for catholics in the protestant Belfast Telegraph.

Miserable dose of a woman, not a professional at all, we all have been abused in some way sometime in our lives but her hatred of men is blinding her to everything else

If Allison Morris is the issue then we are really up shít creek. I've seen her article and it's based on indisputable facts around abuse levelled towards women.

I think we should deal with that before worrying about the miniscule amounts of cry wolf events in comparison to the real events.

And she's right that education on this should be addressed at school as it can't be left to the parents in a lot of instances...

Think about the top shaggers and have a look at the likes of Jeff Anderson and then come back to what Allison Morris is talking about.
Violence against women is a structural problem that needs a coherent  Govt response. Nothing to do with Allison Morris.

Surely a lot of this comes back to community policing. I cannot remember the last time I saw a guard on the street walking in my local town or the nearby town of 10k where we all go to socialise etc. A few guards spinning around in cars is all you ever see.

I'm no expert but I'd say misogyny is a learned trait from home, on the lesser, menial end of the scale, the girls were required to do all the house work when the boys were lying up on their arses to the higher end of the scale where the mother took a bit of a thump from the father and some more and evidently this would have a lasting effect on all children in normalising this and taking it into their own adult relationships.

Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 18, 2022, 09:35:35 AM
Has Allison Morris weighed in yet? She reckons the weather is misogynistic

Can't stand her. Hate the world.

Good rest that poor girl and her family.

Hey, easy on. She was physically abused by her ex-husband.

I think she is doing a grand job standing up for catholics in the protestant Belfast Telegraph.

Miserable dose of a woman, not a professional at all, we all have been abused in some way sometime in our lives but her hatred of men is blinding her to everything else

If Allison Morris is the issue then we are really up shít creek. I've seen her article and it's based on indisputable facts around abuse levelled towards women.

I think we should deal with that before worrying about the miniscule amounts of cry wolf events in comparison to the real events.

And she's right that education on this should be addressed at school as it can't be left to the parents in a lot of instances...

Think about the top shaggers and have a look at the likes of Jeff Anderson and then come back to what Allison Morris is talking about.

She isnt the problem. Just an absolute dose.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 18, 2022, 09:36:14 AM
Has Allison Morris weighed in yet? She reckons the weather is misogynistic

Can't stand her. Hate the world.

Good rest that poor girl and her family.

Hey, easy on. She was physically abused by her ex-husband.

I think she is doing a grand job standing up for catholics in the protestant Belfast Telegraph.

Miserable dose of a woman, not a professional at all, we all have been abused in some way sometime in our lives but her hatred of men is blinding her to everything else

If Allison Morris is the issue then we are really up shít creek. I've seen her article and it's based on indisputable facts around abuse levelled towards women.

I think we should deal with that before worrying about the miniscule amounts of cry wolf events in comparison to the real events.

And she's right that education on this should be addressed at school as it can't be left to the parents in a lot of instances...

Think about the top shaggers and have a look at the likes of Jeff Anderson and then come back to what Allison Morris is talking about.
Violence against women is a structural problem that needs a coherent  Govt response. Nothing to do with Allison Morris.

Surely a lot of this comes back to community policing. I cannot remember the last time I saw a guard on the street walking in my local town or the nearby town of 10k where we all go to socialise etc. A few guards spinning around in cars is all you ever see.

I'm no expert but I'd say misogyny is a learned trait from home, on the lesser, menial end of the scale, the girls were required to do all the house work when the boys were lying up on their arses to the higher end of the scale where the mother took a bit of a thump from the father and some more and evidently this would have a lasting effect on all children in normalising this and taking it into their own adult relationships.

Same sex school a big issue, wouldnt have any of my wains at one
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 18, 2022, 09:38:16 AM

Here are some ideas


https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/una-mullally-we-either-want-to-use-every-tool-we-have-to-address-violence-against-women-or-we-don-t-1.4777975
There have been persistent calls for an updated Sexual Abuse and Violence in Ireland (SAVI) report following its initial publication in 2002.
Policy decisions must be informed by proper research and data. Various politicians have split hairs over this. Leo Varadkar has said that funding a new SAVI report was dropped in favour of “providing free legal aid for people who are victims of domestic violence”. This is nonsensical. How on earth did addressing violence against women come down to a pick-and-choose approach? Who decided that the women of Ireland could either have legal aid or research?
Four departments
This false framing was repeated every time a woman politician – Ruth Coppinger, Róisín Shortall, Mary Lou McDonald, Catherine Connolly among others – called for an updated SAVI report.
The cost was €1 million, something so astronomical that when Charlie Flanagan was minister for justice he said that the funding would have to be spread across four departments.
A recent Garda investigation found that in 2019 and 2020 between 3,000 and 4,000 “domestic violence” 999 calls were cancelled by the Garda. “Cancelled” calls can range from 999 calls receiving no response at all, to gardaí calling to the home where the attack was taking place and subsequently botching the recording process of the incident and classifying the call as “cancelled”.
In some cases gardaí did not undertake correct procedures when they did respond to calls, such as not following up in subsequent days. This is a scandal.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/funding-policies-and-education-suggestions-for-change-after-ashling-murphy-killing-1.4777772

Dr Clíona Saidlear, executive director of the Rape Crisis Network Ireland, says Ireland was “below par” when it came to the funding and provision of sexual violence supports and services.
Properly addressing gender-based violence would be a “massive job of social engineering and societal change,” requiring a well-resourced network of frontline services, Dr Saidlear says.
Introduce sexual harassment policy in schools
Dr Saidlear also believes the Department of Education should draw up a national policy to address sexual harassment in secondary schools, with the aim of introducing a “zero tolerance” culture.
This plan, similar to recent efforts across third-level education, would set out a standard approach for how complaints of sexual harassment were handled.
At present girls were effectively taught to “tolerate sexual violence and harassment, and we are teaching boys that they can get away with it,” she says.
Fully implement new gender-based violence strategy
Orla O’Connor, director of the National Women’s Council of Ireland, says there has to be “very clear responsibilities” for the implementation of the Government’s third national strategy on sexual and gender-based violence, due to be released in coming weeks.
“That means one Government department and one Minister. We would like to see it assigned to the Department of Justice with a very clear remit, because at the moment there is no clear line of responsibility, it’s split in too many different places and things fall through the cracks,” she says.
Set up task force to address male violence
     
 
The Government should set up a cross-departmental “high level task force” to lead reforms to tackle male violence against women, feminist campaigner Ailbhe Smyth believes.
“We need to ensure there is adequate funding and for different departments that need to be involved to coordinate. This is a social issue, a health issue and an education issue,” she says.
Rather than a dedicated new department, a special unit within the Department of the Taoiseach to drive change “might fit the bill,” she says.
“If nothing else this year, we should fulfil our commitment to the Istanbul convention,” which set standards to combat domestic violence, Ms Smyth says.
Include consent in the curriculum
The current “void” of proper education around sex and consent in secondary school needs to be addressed, with the Relationships and Sexuality Education (RSE) curriculum brought into “the 21st century”, according to Elaine Healy Byrnes, an NUI Galway academic who has written a PhD on consent.
Healy Byrnes says long-awaited RSE reform should include requirements to teach pupils about consent and respect in relationships, with proper support for teachers to do so.

More mixed secondary schools
The majority of secondary schools should be mixed, rather than single-sex, according to Colm O’Connor, principal of Cork Educate Together secondary school.
“I’ve worked in single-sex and co-ed schools for a decade each, and there is no comparison in terms of gender relations,” Mr O’Connor says. “In co-ed schools empathy is easier to build as male, female and trans students learn about each other’s lives and challenges together,” he says.
Run a public information campaign tackling misogyny
A sustained public information campaign targeting sexism and misogyny should be rolled out, similar to successful advertising campaigns aimed at drink driving, Labour TD Ivana Bacik says.



Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: nrico2006 on January 18, 2022, 09:42:56 AM
Were there any witnesses to the attack?
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: balladmaker on January 18, 2022, 10:00:04 AM
Were there any witnesses to the attack?

Yes, two women who were walking on opposite side of the canal.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: johnnycool on January 18, 2022, 10:04:28 AM
Has Allison Morris weighed in yet? She reckons the weather is misogynistic

Can't stand her. Hate the world.

Good rest that poor girl and her family.

Hey, easy on. She was physically abused by her ex-husband.

I think she is doing a grand job standing up for catholics in the protestant Belfast Telegraph.

Miserable dose of a woman, not a professional at all, we all have been abused in some way sometime in our lives but her hatred of men is blinding her to everything else

If Allison Morris is the issue then we are really up shít creek. I've seen her article and it's based on indisputable facts around abuse levelled towards women.

I think we should deal with that before worrying about the miniscule amounts of cry wolf events in comparison to the real events.

And she's right that education on this should be addressed at school as it can't be left to the parents in a lot of instances...

Think about the top shaggers and have a look at the likes of Jeff Anderson and then come back to what Allison Morris is talking about.
Violence against women is a structural problem that needs a coherent  Govt response. Nothing to do with Allison Morris.

Surely a lot of this comes back to community policing. I cannot remember the last time I saw a guard on the street walking in my local town or the nearby town of 10k where we all go to socialise etc. A few guards spinning around in cars is all you ever see.

I'm no expert but I'd say misogyny is a learned trait from home, on the lesser, menial end of the scale, the girls were required to do all the house work when the boys were lying up on their arses to the higher end of the scale where the mother took a bit of a thump from the father and some more and evidently this would have a lasting effect on all children in normalising this and taking it into their own adult relationships.

Same sex school a big issue, wouldnt have any of my wains at one

Jeff Anderson went to a mixed school, along with two other classmates being found guilty of various criminal acts towards women..

https://tedteamsite.wordpress.com/2020/07/28/james-mcquillan-of-newtownards-jeff-anderson-of-kircubbin-and-dylan-rogers-of-ballywalter-co-down/ (https://tedteamsite.wordpress.com/2020/07/28/james-mcquillan-of-newtownards-jeff-anderson-of-kircubbin-and-dylan-rogers-of-ballywalter-co-down/)

A girl a few years younger in the same school who knew them and is now a journalist wrote a blog about the prevailing culture within the school.

Can't seem to find it, but an interesting read on this very subject, I'll keep looking for it.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 18, 2022, 10:07:42 AM
Gendered microaggressions towards the “only” women coaches in high-performance sport

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21640629.2021.2021031
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Itchy on January 18, 2022, 10:27:34 AM
Were there any witnesses to the attack?

Yes, two women who were walking on opposite side of the canal.

Not sure is that true. I understood they seen the 1st suspect standing over the body and assumed he was attacking while he was actually trying to help
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 18, 2022, 10:38:55 AM
Has Allison Morris weighed in yet? She reckons the weather is misogynistic

Can't stand her. Hate the world.

Good rest that poor girl and her family.

Hey, easy on. She was physically abused by her ex-husband.

I think she is doing a grand job standing up for catholics in the protestant Belfast Telegraph.

Miserable dose of a woman, not a professional at all, we all have been abused in some way sometime in our lives but her hatred of men is blinding her to everything else

If Allison Morris is the issue then we are really up shít creek. I've seen her article and it's based on indisputable facts around abuse levelled towards women.

I think we should deal with that before worrying about the miniscule amounts of cry wolf events in comparison to the real events.

And she's right that education on this should be addressed at school as it can't be left to the parents in a lot of instances...

Think about the top shaggers and have a look at the likes of Jeff Anderson and then come back to what Allison Morris is talking about.
Violence against women is a structural problem that needs a coherent  Govt response. Nothing to do with Allison Morris.

Surely a lot of this comes back to community policing. I cannot remember the last time I saw a guard on the street walking in my local town or the nearby town of 10k where we all go to socialise etc. A few guards spinning around in cars is all you ever see.

I'm no expert but I'd say misogyny is a learned trait from home, on the lesser, menial end of the scale, the girls were required to do all the house work when the boys were lying up on their arses to the higher end of the scale where the mother took a bit of a thump from the father and some more and evidently this would have a lasting effect on all children in normalising this and taking it into their own adult relationships.

Same sex school a big issue, wouldnt have any of my wains at one

Jeff Anderson went to a mixed school, along with two other classmates being found guilty of various criminal acts towards women..

https://tedteamsite.wordpress.com/2020/07/28/james-mcquillan-of-newtownards-jeff-anderson-of-kircubbin-and-dylan-rogers-of-ballywalter-co-down/ (https://tedteamsite.wordpress.com/2020/07/28/james-mcquillan-of-newtownards-jeff-anderson-of-kircubbin-and-dylan-rogers-of-ballywalter-co-down/)

A girl a few years younger in the same school who knew them and is now a journalist wrote a blog about the prevailing culture within the school.

Can't seem to find it, but an interesting read on this very subject, I'll keep looking for it.
Gemma McSherry?

https://gemmamcsherry.medium.com/lets-talk-about-regent-rugby-and-rape-e1e1afe48a14 (https://gemmamcsherry.medium.com/lets-talk-about-regent-rugby-and-rape-e1e1afe48a14)
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 18, 2022, 10:40:31 AM
Has Allison Morris weighed in yet? She reckons the weather is misogynistic

Can't stand her. Hate the world.

Good rest that poor girl and her family.

Hey, easy on. She was physically abused by her ex-husband.

I think she is doing a grand job standing up for catholics in the protestant Belfast Telegraph.

Miserable dose of a woman, not a professional at all, we all have been abused in some way sometime in our lives but her hatred of men is blinding her to everything else

If Allison Morris is the issue then we are really up shít creek. I've seen her article and it's based on indisputable facts around abuse levelled towards women.

I think we should deal with that before worrying about the miniscule amounts of cry wolf events in comparison to the real events.

And she's right that education on this should be addressed at school as it can't be left to the parents in a lot of instances...

Think about the top shaggers and have a look at the likes of Jeff Anderson and then come back to what Allison Morris is talking about.
Violence against women is a structural problem that needs a coherent  Govt response. Nothing to do with Allison Morris.

Surely a lot of this comes back to community policing. I cannot remember the last time I saw a guard on the street walking in my local town or the nearby town of 10k where we all go to socialise etc. A few guards spinning around in cars is all you ever see.

I'm no expert but I'd say misogyny is a learned trait from home, on the lesser, menial end of the scale, the girls were required to do all the house work when the boys were lying up on their arses to the higher end of the scale where the mother took a bit of a thump from the father and some more and evidently this would have a lasting effect on all children in normalising this and taking it into their own adult relationships.

Same sex school a big issue, wouldnt have any of my wains at one

Jeff Anderson went to a mixed school, along with two other classmates being found guilty of various criminal acts towards women..

https://tedteamsite.wordpress.com/2020/07/28/james-mcquillan-of-newtownards-jeff-anderson-of-kircubbin-and-dylan-rogers-of-ballywalter-co-down/ (https://tedteamsite.wordpress.com/2020/07/28/james-mcquillan-of-newtownards-jeff-anderson-of-kircubbin-and-dylan-rogers-of-ballywalter-co-down/)

A girl a few years younger in the same school who knew them and is now a journalist wrote a blog about the prevailing culture within the school.

Can't seem to find it, but an interesting read on this very subject, I'll keep looking for it.

Animals. Still think all boy schools are worse that mixed-from experience
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: johnnycool on January 18, 2022, 10:53:23 AM
Has Allison Morris weighed in yet? She reckons the weather is misogynistic

Can't stand her. Hate the world.

Good rest that poor girl and her family.

Hey, easy on. She was physically abused by her ex-husband.

I think she is doing a grand job standing up for catholics in the protestant Belfast Telegraph.

Miserable dose of a woman, not a professional at all, we all have been abused in some way sometime in our lives but her hatred of men is blinding her to everything else

If Allison Morris is the issue then we are really up shít creek. I've seen her article and it's based on indisputable facts around abuse levelled towards women.

I think we should deal with that before worrying about the miniscule amounts of cry wolf events in comparison to the real events.

And she's right that education on this should be addressed at school as it can't be left to the parents in a lot of instances...

Think about the top shaggers and have a look at the likes of Jeff Anderson and then come back to what Allison Morris is talking about.
Violence against women is a structural problem that needs a coherent  Govt response. Nothing to do with Allison Morris.

Surely a lot of this comes back to community policing. I cannot remember the last time I saw a guard on the street walking in my local town or the nearby town of 10k where we all go to socialise etc. A few guards spinning around in cars is all you ever see.

I'm no expert but I'd say misogyny is a learned trait from home, on the lesser, menial end of the scale, the girls were required to do all the house work when the boys were lying up on their arses to the higher end of the scale where the mother took a bit of a thump from the father and some more and evidently this would have a lasting effect on all children in normalising this and taking it into their own adult relationships.

Same sex school a big issue, wouldnt have any of my wains at one

Jeff Anderson went to a mixed school, along with two other classmates being found guilty of various criminal acts towards women..

https://tedteamsite.wordpress.com/2020/07/28/james-mcquillan-of-newtownards-jeff-anderson-of-kircubbin-and-dylan-rogers-of-ballywalter-co-down/ (https://tedteamsite.wordpress.com/2020/07/28/james-mcquillan-of-newtownards-jeff-anderson-of-kircubbin-and-dylan-rogers-of-ballywalter-co-down/)

A girl a few years younger in the same school who knew them and is now a journalist wrote a blog about the prevailing culture within the school.

Can't seem to find it, but an interesting read on this very subject, I'll keep looking for it.
Gemma McSherry?

https://gemmamcsherry.medium.com/lets-talk-about-regent-rugby-and-rape-e1e1afe48a14 (https://gemmamcsherry.medium.com/lets-talk-about-regent-rugby-and-rape-e1e1afe48a14)

Yip, the very one. Thanks.

I'm not getting at the rugby culture directly as that type of culture can happen in any school where young men are feted as something special and blind eyes are turned to their other misdeeds and poor behaviour towards others, girls and also boys deemed to be lesser mortals..

Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 18, 2022, 11:00:31 AM
If you are feted as top dog in any school sport it is likely to instil confidence which can easily become cockiness, but it needs something extra for that to spill over into sexual assault. I wouldn't lay that at the door of a school or a sport.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: johnnycool on January 18, 2022, 11:12:02 AM
If you are feted as top dog in any school sport it is likely to instil confidence which can easily become cockiness, but it needs something extra for that to spill over into sexual assault. I wouldn't lay that at the door of a school or a sport.

I get that, but they all have a part to play in defining a culture of what is acceptable and what isn't but IMO home life is the biggest influence on these types of behaviours..
We've all been in changing rooms or nights out where certain things are laughed and joked about in relation to some sexual conquest or other when we really need to grow a set ourselves and call out the bullshit around us rather than play along with it, normalising it.

Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 18, 2022, 11:28:20 AM
If you are feted as top dog in any school sport it is likely to instil confidence which can easily become cockiness, but it needs something extra for that to spill over into sexual assault. I wouldn't lay that at the door of a school or a sport.

I get that, but they all have a part to play in defining a culture of what is acceptable and what isn't but IMO home life is the biggest influence on these types of behaviours..
We've all been in changing rooms or nights out where certain things are laughed and joked about in relation to some sexual conquest or other when we really need to grow a set ourselves and call out the bullshit around us rather than play along with it, normalising it.
Would go along with all of that. If parents, schools, teams and mates make it clear what is acceptable then you'd hope it gets the message home.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 18, 2022, 11:33:42 AM
If you are feted as top dog in any school sport it is likely to instil confidence which can easily become cockiness, but it needs something extra for that to spill over into sexual assault. I wouldn't lay that at the door of a school or a sport.

I get that, but they all have a part to play in defining a culture of what is acceptable and what isn't but IMO home life is the biggest influence on these types of behaviours..
We've all been in changing rooms or nights out where certain things are laughed and joked about in relation to some sexual conquest or other when we really need to grow a set ourselves and call out the bullshit around us rather than play along with it, normalising it.
Would go along with all of that. If parents, schools, teams and mates make it clear what is acceptable then you'd hope it gets the message home.

Any of us who have been in that changing room or on a team night out have either passively or actively been involved in inappropriate behaviour at some stage and are all ‘guilty’ to a point. I had this conversation last night with my partner and basically confirmed this to her.  It wasn’t called out enough then though if it went too far it was.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: J70 on January 18, 2022, 12:26:14 PM
If you are feted as top dog in any school sport it is likely to instil confidence which can easily become cockiness, but it needs something extra for that to spill over into sexual assault. I wouldn't lay that at the door of a school or a sport.

I get that, but they all have a part to play in defining a culture of what is acceptable and what isn't but IMO home life is the biggest influence on these types of behaviours..
We've all been in changing rooms or nights out where certain things are laughed and joked about in relation to some sexual conquest or other when we really need to grow a set ourselves and call out the bullshit around us rather than play along with it, normalising it.
Would go along with all of that. If parents, schools, teams and mates make it clear what is acceptable then you'd hope it gets the message home.

Any of us who have been in that changing room or on a team night out have either passively or actively been involved in inappropriate behaviour at some stage and are all ‘guilty’ to a point. I had this conversation last night with my partner and basically confirmed this to her.  It wasn’t called out enough then though if it went too far it was.

Yep, most of us have played some part, whether actively or by staying quiet.

Those of us who are old enough would also be the same when it came to casual homophobia and other forms of bigotry.

Hopefully the upcoming generations are more enlightened and aware and we who were part of this culture in the past are hopefully teaching our kids that its not acceptable.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: HiMucker on January 18, 2022, 12:27:30 PM
Has Allison Morris weighed in yet? She reckons the weather is misogynistic

Can't stand her. Hate the world.

Good rest that poor girl and her family.

Hey, easy on. She was physically abused by her ex-husband.

I think she is doing a grand job standing up for catholics in the protestant Belfast Telegraph.

Miserable dose of a woman, not a professional at all, we all have been abused in some way sometime in our lives but her hatred of men is blinding her to everything else

If Allison Morris is the issue then we are really up shít creek. I've seen her article and it's based on indisputable facts around abuse levelled towards women.

I think we should deal with that before worrying about the miniscule amounts of cry wolf events in comparison to the real events.

And she's right that education on this should be addressed at school as it can't be left to the parents in a lot of instances...

Think about the top shaggers and have a look at the likes of Jeff Anderson and then come back to what Allison Morris is talking about.
Violence against women is a structural problem that needs a coherent  Govt response. Nothing to do with Allison Morris.

Surely a lot of this comes back to community policing. I cannot remember the last time I saw a guard on the street walking in my local town or the nearby town of 10k where we all go to socialise etc. A few guards spinning around in cars is all you ever see.

I'm no expert but I'd say misogyny is a learned trait from home, on the lesser, menial end of the scale, the girls were required to do all the house work when the boys were lying up on their arses to the higher end of the scale where the mother took a bit of a thump from the father and some more and evidently this would have a lasting effect on all children in normalising this and taking it into their own adult relationships.

Same sex school a big issue, wouldnt have any of my wains at one
Was thinking the very same. Though likely that will be the case in secondary school for my lot.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: full moon on January 18, 2022, 12:29:05 PM
Main suspect isn't even Irish it's a Roma gypsy from Slovakia, so what this has to do with Catholic schools, dressing room banter, catcalling, men's golf clubs, WhatsApp groups, education or even Irish men writ large is beyond me.

Just more feminist man hating rubbish from the usual suspects. I doubt said suspect even went to school and isn't even here that long.

It's a terrible tragedy but just been hijacked by the usual interest groups, RTE and other attention seekers like Keith Walsh. They couldn't even give the family and loved ones a couple days privacy which they requested.

Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 18, 2022, 12:35:17 PM
Main suspect isn't even Irish it's a Roma gypsy from Slovakia, so what this has to do with Catholic schools, dressing room banter, catcalling, men's golf clubs, WhatsApp groups, education or even Irish men writ large is beyond me.

Just more feminist man hating rubbish from the usual suspects. I doubt said suspect even went to school and isn't even here that long.

It's a terrible tragedy but just been hijacked by the usual interest groups, RTE and other attention seekers like Keith Walsh. They couldn't even give the family and loved ones a couple days privacy which they requested.

You do realise that the murder is a very very small part of what the problem is?  It’s is the worst case scenario but male violence and inappropriate behaviour towards women is widespread and endemic. This culture needs to change. The fact that you have men trying to hijack vigils for a murdered woman by exposing them self and trying to masturbate sums the issue up. If you can’t see that then you are part of the problem
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: J70 on January 18, 2022, 12:37:30 PM
Main suspect isn't even Irish it's a Roma gypsy from Slovakia, so what this has to do with Catholic schools, dressing room banter, catcalling, men's golf clubs, WhatsApp groups, education or even Irish men writ large is beyond me.

Just more feminist man hating rubbish from the usual suspects. I doubt said suspect even went to school and isn't even here that long.

It's a terrible tragedy but just been hijacked by the usual interest groups, RTE and other attention seekers like Keith Walsh. They couldn't even give the family and loved ones a couple days privacy which they requested.

Ah, he's a foreigner, so everything is all right in the world then.

Tell your daughter/wife to go on out for that walk or run and not to worry herself about taking all those precautions that your son/yourself doesn't even have to consider.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 18, 2022, 12:38:17 PM
If you are feted as top dog in any school sport it is likely to instil confidence which can easily become cockiness, but it needs something extra for that to spill over into sexual assault. I wouldn't lay that at the door of a school or a sport.

I get that, but they all have a part to play in defining a culture of what is acceptable and what isn't but IMO home life is the biggest influence on these types of behaviours..
We've all been in changing rooms or nights out where certain things are laughed and joked about in relation to some sexual conquest or other when we really need to grow a set ourselves and call out the bullshit around us rather than play along with it, normalising it.
Would go along with all of that. If parents, schools, teams and mates make it clear what is acceptable then you'd hope it gets the message home.

Any of us who have been in that changing room or on a team night out have either passively or actively been involved in inappropriate behaviour at some stage and are all ‘guilty’ to a point. I had this conversation last night with my partner and basically confirmed this to her.  It wasn’t called out enough then though if it went too far it was.

Yep, most of us have played some part, whether actively or by staying quiet.

Those of us who are old enough would also be the same when it came to casual homophobia and other forms of bigotry.

Hopefully the upcoming generations are more enlightened and aware and we who were part of this culture in the past are hopefully teaching our kids that its not acceptable.

I have seen that break lads, who ended up walking away, good players gone at 16
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: JimStynes on January 18, 2022, 12:40:17 PM
Main suspect isn't even Irish it's a Roma gypsy from Slovakia, so what this has to do with Catholic schools, dressing room banter, catcalling, men's golf clubs, WhatsApp groups, education or even Irish men writ large is beyond me.

Just more feminist man hating rubbish from the usual suspects. I doubt said suspect even went to school and isn't even here that long.

It's a terrible tragedy but just been hijacked by the usual interest groups, RTE and other attention seekers like Keith Walsh. They couldn't even give the family and loved ones a couple days privacy which they requested.

You do realise that the murder is a very very small part of what the problem is?  It’s is the worst case scenario but male violence and inappropriate behaviour towards women is widespread and endemic. This culture needs to change. The fact that you have men trying to hijack vigils for a murdered woman by exposing them self and trying to masturbate sums the issue up. If you can’t see that then you are part of the problem

I read about that on Twitter. Hopefully they can trace rhe IP address. Social media is a complete cesspit! Especially Twitter. I did notice one of the main women giving off on Twitter was a woman who had an only fans account. Is she not part of the overall problem as well?
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: full moon on January 18, 2022, 12:46:28 PM
Main suspect isn't even Irish it's a Roma gypsy from Slovakia, so what this has to do with Catholic schools, dressing room banter, catcalling, men's golf clubs, WhatsApp groups, education or even Irish men writ large is beyond me.

Just more feminist man hating rubbish from the usual suspects. I doubt said suspect even went to school and isn't even here that long.

It's a terrible tragedy but just been hijacked by the usual interest groups, RTE and other attention seekers like Keith Walsh. They couldn't even give the family and loved ones a couple days privacy which they requested.

You do realise that the murder is a very very small part of what the problem is?  It’s is the worst case scenario but male violence and inappropriate behaviour towards women is widespread and endemic. This culture needs to change. The fact that you have men trying to hijack vigils for a murdered woman by exposing them self and trying to masturbate sums the issue up. If you can’t see that then you are part of the problem

You are referencing some other incident at the, not sure what your point is or what that is to do with me, just more hysterical rubbish.

Violence towards women is not endemic, statistically this is one of the safest countries in the world and history to be a woman or a man. And then there is much more violence against men.

In fairness a Crossmaglen man like yourself would know all about violence and crime, given ye boys dish enough of it out. Catch yourself on.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 18, 2022, 12:54:40 PM
Main suspect isn't even Irish it's a Roma gypsy from Slovakia, so what this has to do with Catholic schools, dressing room banter, catcalling, men's golf clubs, WhatsApp groups, education or even Irish men writ large is beyond me.

Just more feminist man hating rubbish from the usual suspects. I doubt said suspect even went to school and isn't even here that long.

It's a terrible tragedy but just been hijacked by the usual interest groups, RTE and other attention seekers like Keith Walsh. They couldn't even give the family and loved ones a couple days privacy which they requested.

You do realise that the murder is a very very small part of what the problem is?  It’s is the worst case scenario but male violence and inappropriate behaviour towards women is widespread and endemic. This culture needs to change. The fact that you have men trying to hijack vigils for a murdered woman by exposing them self and trying to masturbate sums the issue up. If you can’t see that then you are part of the problem

You are referencing some other incident at the, not sure what your point is or what that is to do with me, just more hysterical rubbish.

Violence towards women is not endemic, statistically this is one of the safest countries in the world and history to be a woman or a man. And then there is much more violence against men.

In fairness a Crossmaglen man like yourself would know all about violence and crime, given ye boys dish enough of it out. Catch yourself on.

And there you go…..I’ll tell you what you keep believing there’s no problem.

As for the pathetic dig about who I am and where I’m from,  that’s all it is, pathetic. Easy to be a big man when no one knows you’re name. At least I’ve no problem about who I am and where I’m from. Pathetic to play the man, cowardly in fact. Are you a coward?  Do you beat up women too and that’s why you want to make out there’s no problem?
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2022, 01:00:20 PM
We are in full swing now!!

Went to an all boys school, so I'm not sure how it would affect how I spoke to girls or respected them less, my daughters went to a mixed school and I can't see any difference other than they are more concerned about how they look because there are boys there, pressures they didn't need.

Kids nowadays are so different to when I grew up, they find it very difficult to interact with ones outside of their friends group, I seen this in y previous job when taking a young lad out to a new employer, my god it was difficult to get him to lift his head, whereas is class the shit wouldnt shut up!

I remember one day a bunch of girls from local girls secondary school appeared at the window of our woodworking class, lined up and lifted their skirts! Hallions! Needless to say we didnt follow that up ourselves
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Dag Dog on January 18, 2022, 01:02:09 PM
Main suspect isn't even Irish it's a Roma gypsy from Slovakia, so what this has to do with Catholic schools, dressing room banter, catcalling, men's golf clubs, WhatsApp groups, education or even Irish men writ large is beyond me.

Just more feminist man hating rubbish from the usual suspects. I doubt said suspect even went to school and isn't even here that long.

It's a terrible tragedy but just been hijacked by the usual interest groups, RTE and other attention seekers like Keith Walsh. They couldn't even give the family and loved ones a couple days privacy which they requested.

Ah, he's a foreigner, so everything is all right in the world then.

Tell your daughter/wife to go on out for that walk or run and not to worry herself about taking all those precautions that your son/yourself doesn't even have to consider.

Let's just pretend that in Ireland we "talk to our boys" as the virtue signallers suggest and this eliminates all murders of females, sexual assaults, domestic violence, misogyny, wolf whistling, cat calling etc. by Irish men.
Unless practically every other country in the world does the same and has the some results, while there are open borders, there will still be a risk to women.

The same twits who are shouting "all men" are part of the problem are the same ones who shout "not all muslims" when there is a terror attack.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: general_lee on January 18, 2022, 01:03:36 PM
Full moon sounds like a real catch, imagine this weapon taking your daughter or sister out!
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: J70 on January 18, 2022, 01:14:00 PM
Main suspect isn't even Irish it's a Roma gypsy from Slovakia, so what this has to do with Catholic schools, dressing room banter, catcalling, men's golf clubs, WhatsApp groups, education or even Irish men writ large is beyond me.

Just more feminist man hating rubbish from the usual suspects. I doubt said suspect even went to school and isn't even here that long.

It's a terrible tragedy but just been hijacked by the usual interest groups, RTE and other attention seekers like Keith Walsh. They couldn't even give the family and loved ones a couple days privacy which they requested.

Ah, he's a foreigner, so everything is all right in the world then.

Tell your daughter/wife to go on out for that walk or run and not to worry herself about taking all those precautions that your son/yourself doesn't even have to consider.

Let's just pretend that in Ireland we "talk to our boys" as the virtue signallers suggest and this eliminates all murders of females, sexual assaults, domestic violence, misogyny, wolf whistling, cat calling etc. by Irish men.
Unless practically every other country in the world does the same and has the some results, while there are open borders, there will still be a risk to women.

The same twits who are shouting "all men" are part of the problem are the same ones who shout "not all muslims" when there is a terror attack.

"Virtue signallers"?

Dear god.

So what are you saying? We should just let the lads at it, because if its not them, some medieval Muslim-type is going to victimize our women anyway?
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: johnnycool on January 18, 2022, 01:20:05 PM
Main suspect isn't even Irish it's a Roma gypsy from Slovakia, so what this has to do with Catholic schools, dressing room banter, catcalling, men's golf clubs, WhatsApp groups, education or even Irish men writ large is beyond me.

Just more feminist man hating rubbish from the usual suspects. I doubt said suspect even went to school and isn't even here that long.

It's a terrible tragedy but just been hijacked by the usual interest groups, RTE and other attention seekers like Keith Walsh. They couldn't even give the family and loved ones a couple days privacy which they requested.

You do realise that the murder is a very very small part of what the problem is?  It’s is the worst case scenario but male violence and inappropriate behaviour towards women is widespread and endemic. This culture needs to change. The fact that you have men trying to hijack vigils for a murdered woman by exposing them self and trying to masturbate sums the issue up. If you can’t see that then you are part of the problem

I read about that on Twitter. Hopefully they can trace rhe IP address. Social media is a complete cesspit! Especially Twitter. I did notice one of the main women giving off on Twitter was a woman who had an only fans account. Is she not part of the overall problem as well?

Not sure what only fans is as it's blocked by my company internet browsing settings but I believe it's safe to assume it's not a betting site and seems to be a site for sharing videos and pictures behind a paywall, probably NSFW correct?

I'm not sure of your logic but if this girl decides to post videos or pictures of herself and get a few bob from whoever, then she's enticing violence towards women or she herself is objectifying women as sex objects so can't complain if we men sexually objectify them, is that it?

I know you're not suggesting that a girl "is asking for it" if they wear short skirts as you always come across as having more wit about you.

Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: full moon on January 18, 2022, 01:23:52 PM
Full moon sounds like a real catch, imagine this weapon taking your daughter or sister out!

Aye, ye lads would be more interested taking an ATM out than a woman! 
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 18, 2022, 01:23:54 PM
We are in full swing now!!

Went to an all boys school, so I'm not sure how it would affect how I spoke to girls or respected them less, my daughters went to a mixed school and I can't see any difference other than they are more concerned about how they look because there are boys there, pressures they didn't need.

Kids nowadays are so different to when I grew up, they find it very difficult to interact with ones outside of their friends group, I seen this in y previous job when taking a young lad out to a new employer, my god it was difficult to get him to lift his head, whereas is class the shit wouldnt shut up!

I remember one day a bunch of girls from local girls secondary school appeared at the window of our woodworking class, lined up and lifted their skirts! Hallions! Needless to say we didnt follow that up ourselves

Exact same at all girl schools-teenage girls can be a toxic and so nasty , the subtle bullying that insidiously wrecks people, a lot of it is around how each other look and behave-much worse than boys in many cases
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: nrico2006 on January 18, 2022, 01:30:59 PM
Main suspect isn't even Irish it's a Roma gypsy from Slovakia, so what this has to do with Catholic schools, dressing room banter, catcalling, men's golf clubs, WhatsApp groups, education or even Irish men writ large is beyond me.

Just more feminist man hating rubbish from the usual suspects. I doubt said suspect even went to school and isn't even here that long.

It's a terrible tragedy but just been hijacked by the usual interest groups, RTE and other attention seekers like Keith Walsh. They couldn't even give the family and loved ones a couple days privacy which they requested.

You do realise that the murder is a very very small part of what the problem is?  It’s is the worst case scenario but male violence and inappropriate behaviour towards women is widespread and endemic. This culture needs to change. The fact that you have men trying to hijack vigils for a murdered woman by exposing them self and trying to masturbate sums the issue up. If you can’t see that then you are part of the problem

I read about that on Twitter. Hopefully they can trace rhe IP address. Social media is a complete cesspit! Especially Twitter. I did notice one of the main women giving off on Twitter was a woman who had an only fans account. Is she not part of the overall problem as well?

Not sure what only fans is as it's blocked by my company internet browsing settings but I believe it's safe to assume it's not a betting site and seems to be a site for sharing videos and pictures behind a paywall, probably NSFW correct?

I'm not sure of your logic but if this girl decides to post videos or pictures of herself and get a few bob from whoever, then she's enticing violence towards women or she herself is objectifying women as sex objects so can't complain if we men sexually objectify them, is that it?

I know you're not suggesting that a girl "is asking for it" if they wear short skirts as you always come across as having more wit about you.

Onlyfans is basically porn therefore it is part of the problem.  But maybe its all about empowering strong, independent women with regards to their bodies.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2022, 01:39:16 PM
We are in full swing now!!

Went to an all boys school, so I'm not sure how it would affect how I spoke to girls or respected them less, my daughters went to a mixed school and I can't see any difference other than they are more concerned about how they look because there are boys there, pressures they didn't need.

Kids nowadays are so different to when I grew up, they find it very difficult to interact with ones outside of their friends group, I seen this in y previous job when taking a young lad out to a new employer, my god it was difficult to get him to lift his head, whereas is class the shit wouldnt shut up!

I remember one day a bunch of girls from local girls secondary school appeared at the window of our woodworking class, lined up and lifted their skirts! Hallions! Needless to say we didnt follow that up ourselves

Exact same at all girl schools-teenage girls can be a toxic and so nasty , the subtle bullying that insidiously wrecks people, a lot of it is around how each other look and behave-much worse than boys in many cases

Bullies are starting to be called out more now, but the level of bullying because of social media is far greater than the standard that would have been in my day. Yes in my experience of having daughters I've listened to their stories of 'casual' bullying at school and its mainly the girls!

My girls have been fine, due to sports and the circles they ran around with.

I'd one lad that went to my primary and secondary school and he was bullied from day one, the amount of times I'd stepped in to help was weekly, could have been daily.

I'm just not sold on the single sex schools being a big reason for this tbh, I've 4 other brothers and plenty cousins all going to the same school with no issues around being sex creeps.  America/UK wouldnt have as many same sex schools percentage wise, so what's their reasons
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: trueblue1234 on January 18, 2022, 02:10:51 PM
Main suspect isn't even Irish it's a Roma gypsy from Slovakia, so what this has to do with Catholic schools, dressing room banter, catcalling, men's golf clubs, WhatsApp groups, education or even Irish men writ large is beyond me.

Just more feminist man hating rubbish from the usual suspects. I doubt said suspect even went to school and isn't even here that long.

It's a terrible tragedy but just been hijacked by the usual interest groups, RTE and other attention seekers like Keith Walsh. They couldn't even give the family and loved ones a couple days privacy which they requested.

You do realise that the murder is a very very small part of what the problem is?  It’s is the worst case scenario but male violence and inappropriate behaviour towards women is widespread and endemic. This culture needs to change. The fact that you have men trying to hijack vigils for a murdered woman by exposing them self and trying to masturbate sums the issue up. If you can’t see that then you are part of the problem

I read about that on Twitter. Hopefully they can trace rhe IP address. Social media is a complete cesspit! Especially Twitter. I did notice one of the main women giving off on Twitter was a woman who had an only fans account. Is she not part of the overall problem as well?

Not sure what only fans is as it's blocked by my company internet browsing settings but I believe it's safe to assume it's not a betting site and seems to be a site for sharing videos and pictures behind a paywall, probably NSFW correct?

I'm not sure of your logic but if this girl decides to post videos or pictures of herself and get a few bob from whoever, then she's enticing violence towards women or she herself is objectifying women as sex objects so can't complain if we men sexually objectify them, is that it?

I know you're not suggesting that a girl "is asking for it" if they wear short skirts as you always come across as having more wit about you.

Onlyfans is basically porn therefore it is part of the problem.  But maybe its all about empowering strong, independent women with regards to their bodies.

I think this is a different argument and maybe not one for now. Whether in the porn industry or not, no one is asking to be abused. That should be very clear.
However having someone in this industry castrating men for objectifying women, in my eyes is on very shaky ground.
That said, she is absolutely within her right to highlight the issue of violence against woman, consent etc that are a huge part of this wider issue.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: general_lee on January 18, 2022, 02:13:06 PM
Full moon sounds like a real catch, imagine this weapon taking your daughter or sister out!

Aye, ye lads would be more interested taking an ATM out than a woman!
I’d say there are incels that are bigger womanisers than you
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 18, 2022, 02:38:21 PM
Full moon sounds like a real catch, imagine this weapon taking your daughter or sister out!

Aye, ye lads would be more interested taking an ATM out than a woman!
I’d say there are incels that are bigger womanisers than you
Is full moon one of our regulars back with a new handle?
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 18, 2022, 02:41:06 PM
Full moon sounds like a real catch, imagine this weapon taking your daughter or sister out!

Aye, ye lads would be more interested taking an ATM out than a woman!
I’d say there are incels that are bigger womanisers than you
Is full moon one of our regulars back with a new handle?

Who knows but given that it is the first full moon of the year this week no wonder he is howling….
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2022, 02:45:11 PM
Full moon sounds like a real catch, imagine this weapon taking your daughter or sister out!

Aye, ye lads would be more interested taking an ATM out than a woman!
I’d say there are incels that are bigger womanisers than you
Is full moon one of our regulars back with a new handle?

Who knows but given that it is the first full moon of the year this week no wonder he is howling….

Its a cracking full moon in fairness...
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 18, 2022, 03:08:24 PM
It posted like 5 pages bck to keep on specific topic,yet you are off ranting on very topic under the sun. How about keep this one case specific and some of the previous posters do a thread for the failings of the modern Male.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Orior on January 18, 2022, 03:17:41 PM

Animals. Still think all boy schools are worse that mixed-from experience

What sort of a school did you go through?
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: smort on January 18, 2022, 03:18:18 PM
They've made an arrest. Hopefully the right guy this time

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0118/1274353-tullamore-murder-investigation/ (https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0118/1274353-tullamore-murder-investigation/)
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: J70 on January 18, 2022, 03:22:37 PM
Poor girl must have put up a hell of a fight for her life if the Gardai were putting the word out for hospitals to be on the alert for people with injuries and wounds.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 18, 2022, 03:24:06 PM
They've made an arrest. Hopefully the right guy this time

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0118/1274353-tullamore-murder-investigation/ (https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0118/1274353-tullamore-murder-investigation/)
In fairness to the Gardaí they were thorough in their approach of contacting the hospitals. Now the news cycle can continue with this development for a few more days.
 
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: trueblue1234 on January 18, 2022, 03:34:11 PM
Poor girl must have put up a hell of a fight for her life if the Gardai were putting the word out for hospitals to be on the alert for people with injuries and wounds.

I believe she broke the guys jaw.

Just a pity it wasn’t his neck.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: imtommygunn on January 18, 2022, 03:36:53 PM
Jesus. Fair play to her. What that poor girl must have went through  :(
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on January 18, 2022, 04:30:16 PM
Is there any information released as to how she died yet or any possible motive?
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 18, 2022, 04:37:20 PM
Is there any information released as to how she died yet or any possible motive?

Nothing about motive, I suppose until they have someone charged that’s up in the air. She did by strangulation it seems
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on January 18, 2022, 04:40:49 PM
Is there any information released as to how she died yet or any possible motive?

Nothing about motive, I suppose until they have someone charged that’s up in the air. She did by strangulation it seems
Yeah I thought that
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 18, 2022, 05:04:31 PM
Is there any information released as to how she died yet or any possible motive?

Nothing about motive, I suppose until they have someone charged that’s up in the air. She did by strangulation it seems
If you were a run of the mill pervert I can't imagine you'd take the risk to attack and strangle a young girl in a public space at 4pm. Seems strange to me.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: armaghniac on January 18, 2022, 05:05:59 PM
35 Year old man, with 5 children, charged after release from hospital.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: RedHand88 on January 18, 2022, 06:14:58 PM
The spot looked to be less than 100m from a busy road in plain sight too. It's mad how this happened in the middle of he day
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: nrico2006 on January 18, 2022, 06:18:21 PM
Is there any information released as to how she died yet or any possible motive?

Nothing about motive, I suppose until they have someone charged that’s up in the air. She did by strangulation it seems
If you were a run of the mill pervert I can't imagine you'd take the risk to attack and strangle a young girl in a public space at 4pm. Seems strange to me.

I thought it would be someone who had some sort of psychotic episode due to the fact that if you were in the right frame of mind and planning to do something like this, you wouldn't pick that time/location etc.  But on the flip side, the fact he seemingly got away contradicts that theory, unless it was pure random luck that he escaped capture.

Is the fella they charged the same fella that was mentioned a few days ago reporting into a hospital with cuts etc.?
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 18, 2022, 06:20:47 PM
Is there any information released as to how she died yet or any possible motive?

Nothing about motive, I suppose until they have someone charged that’s up in the air. She did by strangulation it seems
If you were a run of the mill pervert I can't imagine you'd take the risk to attack and strangle a young girl in a public space at 4pm. Seems strange to me.

I thought it would be someone who had some sort of psychotic episode due to the fact that if you were in the right frame of mind and planning to do something like this, you wouldn't pick that time/location etc.  But on the flip side, the fact he seemingly got away contradicts that theory, unless it was pure random luck that he escaped capture.

Is the fella they charged the same fella that was mentioned a few days ago reporting into a hospital with cuts etc.?

Not charged yet. Arrested just and it does seem like it was the same fella
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 18, 2022, 06:30:32 PM
Is there any information released as to how she died yet or any possible motive?

Nothing about motive, I suppose until they have someone charged that’s up in the air. She did by strangulation it seems
If you were a run of the mill pervert I can't imagine you'd take the risk to attack and strangle a young girl in a public space at 4pm. Seems strange to me.

I thought it would be someone who had some sort of psychotic episode due to the fact that if you were in the right frame of mind and planning to do something like this, you wouldn't pick that time/location etc.  But on the flip side, the fact he seemingly got away contradicts that theory, unless it was pure random luck that he escaped capture.

Is the fella they charged the same fella that was mentioned a few days ago reporting into a hospital with cuts etc.?
He didn't really get away. She fought back and injured him. There was an alert out for the hospitals. He had to go to hospital for various injuries, some self inflicted. It wasn't the perfect crime.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: nrico2006 on January 18, 2022, 06:46:33 PM
Is there any information released as to how she died yet or any possible motive?

Nothing about motive, I suppose until they have someone charged that’s up in the air. She did by strangulation it seems
If you were a run of the mill pervert I can't imagine you'd take the risk to attack and strangle a young girl in a public space at 4pm. Seems strange to me.

I thought it would be someone who had some sort of psychotic episode due to the fact that if you were in the right frame of mind and planning to do something like this, you wouldn't pick that time/location etc.  But on the flip side, the fact he seemingly got away contradicts that theory, unless it was pure random luck that he escaped capture.

Is the fella they charged the same fella that was mentioned a few days ago reporting into a hospital with cuts etc.?
He didn't really get away. She fought back and injured him. There was an alert out for the hospitals. He had to go to hospital for various injuries, some self inflicted. It wasn't the perfect crime.

What I meant was get away from the scene, especially given the location/time of day when there are so many ways of tracking/spotting people through CCTV, doorbell cameras, dash cams etc.  The other thing that doesn't seem to deter people who carry out these crimes is the fact that they nearly all get caught eventually too.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 18, 2022, 06:52:50 PM
Is there any information released as to how she died yet or any possible motive?

Nothing about motive, I suppose until they have someone charged that’s up in the air. She did by strangulation it seems
Yeah but they were looking for a weapon so she may also have been beaten or stabbed.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Saffrongael on January 18, 2022, 08:46:32 PM
Those Slovak gypsies are lowlifes
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: JoG2 on January 18, 2022, 09:02:20 PM
Those Slovak gypsies are lowlifes

How many do you know?
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 18, 2022, 09:25:48 PM
What happened the wee girl was awful and sorry for slightly off topic but the media (social & MSM) definitely drives or determines who gets mourned and who doesn't. Compare Aisling to the Mongolian lady stabbed in Dublin....another one is Sarah Everard to the Muslim girl in South East London. One all over the papers, the other hardly mentioned despite being weeks apart.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Saffrongael on January 18, 2022, 09:46:27 PM
Those Slovak gypsies are lowlifes

How many do you know?

I have came across dozens of them in the last few years, more than enough to form an opinion
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Saffrongael on January 18, 2022, 09:50:28 PM
What happened the wee girl was awful and sorry for slightly off topic but the media (social & MSM) definitely drives or determines who gets mourned and who doesn't. Compare Aisling to the Mongolian lady stabbed in Dublin....another one is Sarah Everard to the Muslim girl in South East London. One all over the papers, the other hardly mentioned despite being weeks apart.

Yeah absolutely, occupation always gets mentioned in the first line of the story. Marketing executive Sarah Everard, Teacher Aisling Murphy etc. You don’t really see that when it’s someone unemployed or doing menial work murdered. It’s been like that for years now I suppose. There is certainly a hierarchy of victims
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 18, 2022, 10:07:05 PM
What happened the wee girl was awful and sorry for slightly off topic but the media (social & MSM) definitely drives or determines who gets mourned and who doesn't. Compare Aisling to the Mongolian lady stabbed in Dublin....another one is Sarah Everard to the Muslim girl in South East London. One all over the papers, the other hardly mentioned despite being weeks apart.

Yeah absolutely, occupation always gets mentioned in the first line of the story. Marketing executive Sarah Everard, Teacher Aisling Murphy etc. You don’t really see that when it’s someone unemployed or doing menial work murdered. It’s been like that for years now I suppose. There is certainly a hierarchy of victims

And a hierarchy of assailants too. I wonder what the narrative would be if the alleged killer was a 30 year old GAA, rugby or soccer star from the town? 
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: From the Bunker on January 18, 2022, 10:08:16 PM
There was notice really taken of the Yorkshire Ripper when he was Murdering ladies of the night. When he started killing the Girls next door. The interest from the police changed.  :-\
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Rossfan on January 18, 2022, 10:14:48 PM
Sad to read the last 4 posts !
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 18, 2022, 10:16:58 PM
What happened the wee girl was awful and sorry for slightly off topic but the media (social & MSM) definitely drives or determines who gets mourned and who doesn't. Compare Aisling to the Mongolian lady stabbed in Dublin....another one is Sarah Everard to the Muslim girl in South East London. One all over the papers, the other hardly mentioned despite being weeks apart.

Yeah absolutely, occupation always gets mentioned in the first line of the story. Marketing executive Sarah Everard, Teacher Aisling Murphy etc. You don’t really see that when it’s someone unemployed or doing menial work murdered. It’s been like that for years now I suppose. There is certainly a hierarchy of victims
The family/friends of the deceased seemed to control the narrative. Journalists had plenty of content which probably wasn't the case in less covered murders. There was more emphasis on her life than death I think.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: trileacman on January 18, 2022, 10:31:41 PM
What happened the wee girl was awful and sorry for slightly off topic but the media (social & MSM) definitely drives or determines who gets mourned and who doesn't. Compare Aisling to the Mongolian lady stabbed in Dublin....another one is Sarah Everard to the Muslim girl in South East London. One all over the papers, the other hardly mentioned despite being weeks apart.

Yeah absolutely, occupation always gets mentioned in the first line of the story. Marketing executive Sarah Everard, Teacher Aisling Murphy etc. You don’t really see that when it’s someone unemployed or doing menial work murdered. It’s been like that for years now I suppose. There is certainly a hierarchy of victims

And a hierarchy of assailants too. I wonder what the narrative would be if the alleged killer was a 30 year old GAA, rugby or soccer star from the town?

Do you mean he’d get a easier time if he was a local star or a worse time.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 18, 2022, 10:35:06 PM
What happened the wee girl was awful and sorry for slightly off topic but the media (social & MSM) definitely drives or determines who gets mourned and who doesn't. Compare Aisling to the Mongolian lady stabbed in Dublin....another one is Sarah Everard to the Muslim girl in South East London. One all over the papers, the other hardly mentioned despite being weeks apart.

Yeah absolutely, occupation always gets mentioned in the first line of the story. Marketing executive Sarah Everard, Teacher Aisling Murphy etc. You don’t really see that when it’s someone unemployed or doing menial work murdered. It’s been like that for years now I suppose. There is certainly a hierarchy of victims
There is always a hierarchy when it comes to these cases. Age and looks play a part in the emotional response as well as colour, background, occupation. It is just human nature as all people make judgements.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 18, 2022, 10:47:10 PM
What happened the wee girl was awful and sorry for slightly off topic but the media (social & MSM) definitely drives or determines who gets mourned and who doesn't. Compare Aisling to the Mongolian lady stabbed in Dublin....another one is Sarah Everard to the Muslim girl in South East London. One all over the papers, the other hardly mentioned despite being weeks apart.

Yeah absolutely, occupation always gets mentioned in the first line of the story. Marketing executive Sarah Everard, Teacher Aisling Murphy etc. You don’t really see that when it’s someone unemployed or doing menial work murdered. It’s been like that for years now I suppose. There is certainly a hierarchy of victims

And a hierarchy of assailants too. I wonder what the narrative would be if the alleged killer was a 30 year old GAA, rugby or soccer star from the town?

Do you mean he’d get a easier time if he was a local star or a worse time.

I genuinely don’t know but I suspect an easier time.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: PadraicHenryPearse on January 18, 2022, 10:57:14 PM
What happened the wee girl was awful and sorry for slightly off topic but the media (social & MSM) definitely drives or determines who gets mourned and who doesn't. Compare Aisling to the Mongolian lady stabbed in Dublin....another one is Sarah Everard to the Muslim girl in South East London. One all over the papers, the other hardly mentioned despite being weeks apart.

Yeah absolutely, occupation always gets mentioned in the first line of the story. Marketing executive Sarah Everard, Teacher Aisling Murphy etc. You don’t really see that when it’s someone unemployed or doing menial work murdered. It’s been like that for years now I suppose. There is certainly a hierarchy of victims
There is always a hierarchy when it comes to these cases. Age and looks play a part in the emotional response as well as colour, background, occupation. It is just human nature as all people make judgements.

human nature or learned behaviour..... not for this thread...
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: whitey on January 18, 2022, 11:49:12 PM
What happened the wee girl was awful and sorry for slightly off topic but the media (social & MSM) definitely drives or determines who gets mourned and who doesn't. Compare Aisling to the Mongolian lady stabbed in Dublin....another one is Sarah Everard to the Muslim girl in South East London. One all over the papers, the other hardly mentioned despite being weeks apart.

Yeah absolutely, occupation always gets mentioned in the first line of the story. Marketing executive Sarah Everard, Teacher Aisling Murphy etc. You don’t really see that when it’s someone unemployed or doing menial work murdered. It’s been like that for years now I suppose. There is certainly a hierarchy of victims
There is always a hierarchy when it comes to these cases. Age and looks play a part in the emotional response as well as colour, background, occupation. It is just human nature as all people make judgements.

human nature or learned behaviour..... not for this thread...

People are more emotionally involved when a victim looks like them or has a lot in common with them

If someone got shot dead in a gangland or traveller feud, most people on here (or anywhere else for that matter) wouldn’t give 2 Fv{ks
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: armaghniac on January 19, 2022, 12:42:51 AM
It even goes beyond what people look like. The Mongolian lady just didn't know many Irish people and was not in widespread associations like Comhaltas or the GAA to say nothing of a school.

If your granny dies in the normal way or a well known author or TV person dies there is a difference in coverage.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: seafoid on January 19, 2022, 09:13:52 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/man-charged-with-murder-of-ashling-murphy-in-tullamore-co-offaly-1.4780743

 

 

A man has been remanded in custody for a week charged with the murder of Ashling Murphy.

Jozef Puska (31), with an address at Lynally Grove, Mucklagh, Co Offaly appeared at special sitting of Tullamore District Court on Wednesday evening.

Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: nrico2006 on January 19, 2022, 09:36:50 PM
Why is the face blurred out of the person of interest riding the bike that was caught on CCTV?
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: Captain Scarlet on January 19, 2022, 11:04:48 PM
It's a fuckin media circus and now they are all warning the plebs on social media not to post things on social media.
They gave enough details on the initial suspect to identify him, then blamed Social Media.

Chaos at court today and all the outlets with reporters there after earlier tweeting he will at the courthouse at 8.15pm.

Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: trileacman on January 20, 2022, 12:16:23 AM
Reports on Twitter of a Slovakian Roma getting a beating on a street by a gang of men in Dublin because he was a “friend” of the accused.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: RedHand88 on January 20, 2022, 06:38:22 AM
It's a fuckin media circus and now they are all warning the plebs on social media not to post things on social media.
They gave enough details on the initial suspect to identify him, then blamed Social Media.

Chaos at court today and all the outlets with reporters there after earlier tweeting he will at the courthouse at 8.15pm.

It's already the Irish rugby trial all over again.
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: manfromdelmonte on January 20, 2022, 08:09:50 AM
It's a fuckin media circus and now they are all warning the plebs on social media not to post things on social media.
They gave enough details on the initial suspect to identify him, then blamed Social Media.

Chaos at court today and all the outlets with reporters there after earlier tweeting he will at the courthouse at 8.15pm.

It's already the Irish rugby trial all over again.
who died in that one?
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: rodney trotter on January 31, 2022, 07:20:15 PM
17 year old woman with a lucky escape in Kilkenny today while out running

https://www.independent.ie/news/another-horror-story-shock-as-young-woman-17-escapes-after-attack-by-man-while-out-running-in-kilkenny-41296798.html
Title: Re: Murder of Aisling Murphy
Post by: An Astrail on January 31, 2022, 10:25:34 PM
What happened the wee girl was awful and sorry for slightly off topic but the media (social & MSM) definitely drives or determines who gets mourned and who doesn't. Compare Aisling to the Mongolian lady stabbed in Dublin....another one is Sarah Everard to the Muslim girl in South East London. One all over the papers, the other hardly mentioned despite being weeks apart.

Yeah absolutely, occupation always gets mentioned in the first line of the story. Marketing executive Sarah Everard, Teacher Aisling Murphy etc. You don’t really see that when it’s someone unemployed or doing menial work murdered. It’s been like that for years now I suppose. There is certainly a hierarchy of victims

And a hierarchy of assailants too. I wonder what the narrative would be if the alleged killer was a 30 year old GAA, rugby or soccer star from the town?

Do you mean he’d get a easier time if he was a local star or a worse time.

I genuinely don’t know but I suspect an easier time.

Two parts to that one:

Does it make a good story? 'Local star' would definitely be a big story and get the coverage, same as 'recent immigrant' has.

Does it make the alleged criminal more relatable to the average reader/viewer/journalist? 'Local star' definitely more relatable so you tend to get the mitigating factors rolling out - he was under pressure in some way, partner recently left him, financial issues etc. Makes it easier to separate ourselves from him but also starts to give the perpetrator an out - wasn't really his fault in some way.