Premier League 2023-2024

[J70]

What's been allowed to happen at Liverpool is criminal. One of the things that made Ferguson such a genius was his ability to build a new team before the team he had were even finished.
I know they've made numerous signings but that Liverpool team is more or less the same group of players who won the League and Champions League.
There have been areas that need refreshing that are so glaring obvious it's utterly bizarre how it's been handled.
The team is gone stale, Klopp still trying to play the same way with players who are now 4 to 5 years older. 
What happened with the talk of new owners?

Thats the difference in a very very good manager like Klopp and a truly great one, imo.

Ferguson was a genius, yes, but even he had a down period in the mid-2000s and he then failed to rebuild United's midfield back to the same level after Scholes and Keane were done (hands tied like Klopp's no doubt), luckily for him at a time when there was no other consistently excellent team like you have now with City. The 90s transition was fairly seamless, but that came off the back of a never-to-be-repeated crop of youth players coming through. The margins are thin at the top.

Some here were crowing that Klopp was done in '17 and again in '21. I would expect, if he gets the support, he'll have Liverpool back in shape this time next year.

[thewobbler]

In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.

But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.

And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.

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Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.

[Main Street]

For Brighton's 3rd goal the co commentator acclaimed the goal but quickly remarked 'atrocious defending'. Objectively can you have both, a brilliant goal and bad defending?
I thought there was a defensive mistake which allowed the cross to come in but the Brighton player still had a lot to do in the box and managed to score with technical elegance.
I thought it was much more a brilliant goal than atrocious defending.

[CK_Redhand]

Can't please some people. Years ago any player on the pitch would be deemed active and therefore offside. I remember a goal in a Euros maybe 2004 where an injured player lying off to the side of the pitch was deemed offside and the goal was ruled out. Think it was for the Dutch. I could be wrong.

When they changed the rule to specify a player had to be "interfering with play" there was a bit of debate. It gives the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team and leads to more goals but it leaves a grey area in the rules. What "interfering with play" means is subjective. I didn't know the wording of the rule changed this year, probably to remove the subjective element of the grey area. It has unintended consequences like the goal today.

Anyway, great to see those city boys crying

[Armagh18]

What's been allowed to happen at Liverpool is criminal. One of the things that made Ferguson such a genius was his ability to build a new team before the team he had were even finished.
I know they've made numerous signings but that Liverpool team is more or less the same group of players who won the League and Champions League.
There have been areas that need refreshing that are so glaring obvious it's utterly bizarre how it's been handled.
The team is gone stale, Klopp still trying to play the same way with players who are now 4 to 5 years older. 
What happened with the talk of new owners?

Thats the difference in a very very good manager like Klopp and a truly great one, imo.

Ferguson was a genius, yes, but even he had a down period in the mid-2000s and he then failed to rebuild United's midfield back to the same level after Scholes and Keane were done (hands tied like Klopp's no doubt), luckily for him at a time when there was no other consistently excellent team like you have now with City. The 90s transition was fairly seamless, but that came off the back of a never-to-be-repeated crop of youth players coming through. The margins are thin at the top.

Some here were crowing that Klopp was done in '17 and again in '21. I would expect, if he gets the support, he'll have Liverpool back in shape this time next year.

but look what he did after that down period- created probably the best English team ever from 06-09 and nurtured a skinny teenager into the best player in the world.

Not sure Klopp has a rebuild in him at Liverpool tbh.

[Armagh18]

So Pep doesn't care about the league! Could be an implosion there yet. Some craic if they are dumped out early in Europe.

[seafoid]

The odds for Arsenal and Man City are more or less the same

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league

Arsenal 5/4
Man City 13/12

. You tend to get more clutch moments as players get injured and momentum slows down. Arsenal are only 5 points ahead and it's a long way to Tipperary.

[Captain Obvious]

Hugo Lloris complaining to his defenders when it should have been a routine save.

[BrotherMore6592]

The odds for Arsenal and Man City are more or less the same

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league

Arsenal 5/4
Man City 13/12

. You tend to get more clutch moments as players get injured and momentum slows down. Arsenal are only 5 points ahead and it's a long way to Tipperary.

*8 points 

[johnnycool]

In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.

But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.

And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.

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Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.

MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.

If that's not interfering with play, then what is!

[Armagh18]

In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.

But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.

And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.

—-

Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.

MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.

If that's not interfering with play, then what is!

No wonder Liverpool conceded 3 if Allison was up in Manchester playing for City

[johnnycool]

In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.

But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.

And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.

—-

Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.

MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.

If that's not interfering with play, then what is!

No wonder Liverpool conceded 3 if Allison was up in Manchester playing for City

ha ha, very good.

Ederson still has a clean sheet then..

[Milltown Row2]

In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.

But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.

And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.

—-

Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.

MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.

If that's not interfering with play, then what is!

Two neutral commentators in Danny and Alan gave their 'view' on it they said by the letter of the law its a goal but said common sense wasn't used ... The keeper keeps his eye on the ball, you've said that yourself in a post on goal keeping in hurling, I can find it for you if ya want

[NAG1]

I don't know what Ederson was getting set for but it sure as hell wasn't a Rashford left footed shot 

Yet another example of common sense not being so common.

[Armagh18]

In accordance with the rules the correct decision was (likely) made.

But then again you have to ask yourself why the offside laws have evolved to cater for interference, intent, etc.

And Rashford, knowingly or not, was a significant presence in the goals being scored. So it should have been disallowed imho.

—-

Isn't sport just brilliant though? It just keeps throwing up things you'd never think of.

MOTD2 showed the goal from the perspective of Allison who'd set himself up for a Rashford shot only for Fernandez to steal in from a different angle.

If that's not interfering with play, then what is!

Two neutral commentators in Danny and Alan gave their 'view' on it they said by the letter of the law its a goal but said common sense wasn't used ... The keeper keeps his eye on the ball, you've said that yourself in a post on goal keeping in hurling, I can find it for you if ya want

Yeah a goal by letter of the law but I'm a United fan and think it should be offside, rule wants fixed. Cute enough of Rashford not to touch it. Anyway we'll take it, far better team so deserved rub of the green there.