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So Cargin were beaten in Ulster this year by the Ulster Champions and potential All Ireland champions.  Shows to the strength of Ulster football and how competitive it is.

It is a great competition, a super showpiece for Ulster football.  have Cargin been beat by the winners in 5 of the last 7 times they have played in the comp? Just shows the levels we all have to get to

As newbridge showed this year, tradition is important too.

A Grade titles are nice to have but not the be all end all.   I dont recall Cargin romping home with underage title after underage title. Probably quite sparse compared to others

You would think St Brigids will get it right eventually from a numbers game alone, Large crops at every age level. Cargin have been squeezing everything they have from a small to mid-sized base, massively overachieving.  Lamh Dhearg always appear to have good numbers, Aghagallon, Creggan and now Portglenone.  Glenravel, Tir na nog, St Enda's and Ballymena have big numbers at underage which used to dwindle up the age groups but perhaps they have corrected that now which makes you think they should have a part to play in the coming years.

St Galls or St Pauls coming?  i had thought St Galls were sliding but theyve corrected that now.  Not sure where the ceiling is for St Pauls but perhaps tradition will elevate them higher

EC looked extremely sharp and Cargin didn't.  Hard to beat game time.

Very rusty performance from Cargin? EC far sharper.  Perhaps the gap between final and today too large?    Ec wel worth their victory though canavans and harte git a lot of protection from the man in the middle.  Set the scene in 1st 5 minutes.  Cargin dont seem to be able to adapt to the style of the ref in ulster.  Few fellas looked off the pace as well with unforced handling errors. 

Ballymena were terribly unlucky yesterday. Better side and horrible way to lose

Ulster is both a great and difficult competition.  Feels like All Saints are the best prospect we have had to win the Intermediate in quite a while.  Cannot profess any knowledge on their Tyrone challengers save that Tyrone teams are generally strong in this competition.

No easy games in the Senior competition but Cargin are more than good enough.   

Errigal have long been reportedly the best team in tyrone though the championship wins may not reflect it. They were unlucky againstt Glen in 2022 and feel they left an ulster behind them.   

If Cargin want some reapect in Ulster, i dont think it comes much bigger than Errigal C

How can Errigal be stopped?

Con Magee Gaels?

Looks that way.   all clubs will have a drop off in numbers in certain years, just looks surprising that a few more minors weren't gathered up to complete a team.

So what would be an acceptable level of performance against Armagh in next year's cship look like?

I think the bigger question on this board sadly is what is an 'unacceptable level'?

Is a 5, 10, 20, 30 point hiding by Armagh in the Ulster Championship unacceptable?

Is relegation to Div 4 unacceptable?   Is a relegation scrap unacceptable? Is midtable in Div 3 unacceptable?

Is failure to reach the Tailteann Cup semi final unacceptable?  Is failure to win the Tailteann cup unacceptable?

Until you know what the floor is, you cant know what constitutes a good season.  I fear there is no floor.

While i think we have went back in the league as past 2 seasons with 2 mediocre campaigns, with the slate wiped clean and taking it from the 2025 season onwards as a new beginning, surely being in the mix for promotion (while not setting outright promotion as a level) is a reasonable level of acceptable?

As much as I deride the competition, winning the Tailteann is progress and a reasonable level of acceptable?

Staying with Armagh, still being in the game (a few scores away) with 20 minutes to go before the benches are emptied, is a reasonable level of acceptable?

Its our only proper way of testing.  Then the league.


To say to andy he has a free pass to lose by whatever is all wrong. 

Happy to go with progress.

In your haste to answer you've become confuaed in the difference between expectation and reality.   

The bar is resting on the ground at the moment.  Right where you want it.