China Coronavirus

[imtommygunn]

I have read there will be false positives for people with cold/flu but unsure in the truth on that(social media rumour)..

[armaghniac]

Wee question for you. If we get over the winter carrying on as we do now - people in every town and village testing positive, but next to nobody dying - would you be happy enough to return to normal then?

Obviously, if lethality drops through the floor, then yes, the balance of economics versus public health will change.

It *would* appear that the admissions rate now per case identified is much lower than, say, April.

Is that due to more extensive testing, or is that due to a mutated virus being less dangerous?

It is certainly due to more testing and a younger profile of infected person. Not much real evidence of substantial mutation at this point.

[Tony Baloney]

Wee question for you. If we get over the winter carrying on as we do now - people in every town and village testing positive, but next to nobody dying - would you be happy enough to return to normal then?

Obviously, if lethality drops through the floor, then yes, the balance of economics versus public health will change.

It *would* appear that the admissions rate now per case identified is much lower than, say, April.

Is that due to more extensive testing, or is that due to a mutated virus being less dangerous?

My cynical self says that the testing is producing false positives.

But it doesn't really matter I suppose. If the admissions curve stays flat, it's a great result.

Chance of a false positive is relatively low compared to a false negative.

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/could-ireland-become-the-wayward-child-of-europe-on-covid-response-1.4343216?mode=amp

Ireland, meanwhile, having achieved one of the lowest incidences in Europe in mid-summer, is now struggling to contain fresh outbreaks. So much so that the latest ECDC figures show our figures are higher than both the UK's and Sweden's. (The death rate in Sweden is 60 per cent higher than in Ireland.)

The incidence of the virus in Ireland is also higher than in Italy, Germany, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Greece, Finland, Hungary, Slovakia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Estonia, Iceland, Cyprus and Latvia.

Initially, it was the outbreaks in meat processing plants, as we know. This was the equivalent of lightning hitting the same spot twice, given these environments had suffered outbreaks in the spring.

There was nothing terribly wrong with the odd case occurring in factories. But by the time anyone noticed what was going on, hundreds of staff had become infected, and the wider seeding of the virus in the community was well advanced.

We still don't have rapid testing alternatives, or the promised revamp of the testing system

This needn't have happened. Testing capacity was being under-utilised throughout the summer, so wider testing of workers in the meat processing sector could have been arranged.

And, once again, our testing and contract tracing system was found wanting. Other countries that are experiencing surges at present are handling them better because, in general, they are carrying out more testing and/or doing it faster.

Continuity

The new wave of infections was getting under way as one government left and a new one arrived. Possibly, continuity was broken as new Ministers struggled to learn their briefs.

The outbreaks in meat plants are being brought under control, but the problem has moved on to other areas of life where people congregate. Worryingly, 30 per cent of cases are attributed to community transmission, meaning the source of infection is unknown.

We still don't have rapid testing alternatives, or the promised revamp of the testing system, or even the Government's new framework for dealing with Covid-19 realities over the coming year.

[Maiden1]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/could-ireland-become-the-wayward-child-of-europe-on-covid-response-1.4343216?mode=amp

Ireland, meanwhile, having achieved one of the lowest incidences in Europe in mid-summer, is now struggling to contain fresh outbreaks. So much so that the latest ECDC figures show our figures are higher than both the UK's and Sweden's. (The death rate in Sweden is 60 per cent higher than in Ireland.)

60% higher than 0 in Ireland in the last week?

[Farrandeelin]

A class has been sent home from a school in Dublin due to one of the children testing positive.

[Jeepers Creepers]

A class has been sent home from a school in Dublin due to one of the children testing positive.

What age group?

[Farrandeelin]

A class has been sent home from a school in Dublin due to one of the children testing positive.

What age group?

All it said was that it's a primary school.

[Taylor]

A class has been sent home from a school in Dublin due to one of the children testing positive.

Why only a class?
I wouldnt want my kid to stay in the school if Im being honest

[Milltown Row2]

A class has been sent home from a school in Dublin due to one of the children testing positive.

Why only a class?
I wouldnt want my kid to stay in the school if Im being honest

The kids generally stay in one class and now they have one area where they can 'play' and teachers cant use the staff rooms, so if it was in one class, I'd say it would be confined to that area only

[Jeepers Creepers]

A class has been sent home from a school in Dublin due to one of the children testing positive.

Why only a class?
I wouldnt want my kid to stay in the school if Im being honest

The kids generally stay in one class and now they have one area where they can 'play' and teachers cant use the staff rooms, so if it was in one class, I'd say it would be confined to that area only

A couple of Primary schools in the North now in the same boat (reading through the headlines) with open pupil in one class testing positive (all P2/3). Assuming picked up at home or Holiday as the schools are only back a day.
My own boy is P3 and the class dont interact with any other class and stay within their 'bubble' throughout the day so wouldn't expect the whole school to be closed. His school is quite a large primary school. They still say child-child infection is uncommon but will be keeping my ear to the ground!

[LeoMc]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/could-ireland-become-the-wayward-child-of-europe-on-covid-response-1.4343216?mode=amp

Ireland, meanwhile, having achieved one of the lowest incidences in Europe in mid-summer, is now struggling to contain fresh outbreaks. So much so that the latest ECDC figures show our figures are higher than both the UK's and Sweden's. (The death rate in Sweden is 60 per cent higher than in Ireland.)

60% higher than 0 in Ireland in the last week?

Where does anyone mention the last week?

[Maiden1]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/could-ireland-become-the-wayward-child-of-europe-on-covid-response-1.4343216?mode=amp

Ireland, meanwhile, having achieved one of the lowest incidences in Europe in mid-summer, is now struggling to contain fresh outbreaks. So much so that the latest ECDC figures show our figures are higher than both the UK's and Sweden's. (The death rate in Sweden is 60 per cent higher than in Ireland.)

60% higher than 0 in Ireland in the last week?

Where does anyone mention the last week?

No one mentioned any figures.  That's the point.  It is scare mongering to put % figures on death rates when people generally aren't dying of it at the minute.  If there is 1 death in the next week (from or with) and 2 the week after will there be a headline 100% increase in deaths?

[Blowitupref]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/could-ireland-become-the-wayward-child-of-europe-on-covid-response-1.4343216?mode=amp

Ireland, meanwhile, having achieved one of the lowest incidences in Europe in mid-summer, is now struggling to contain fresh outbreaks. So much so that the latest ECDC figures show our figures are higher than both the UK's and Sweden's. (The death rate in Sweden is 60 per cent higher than in Ireland.)

60% higher than 0 in Ireland in the last week?

Where does anyone mention the last week?

No one mentioned any figures.  That's the point.  It is scare mongering to put % figures on death rates when people generally aren't dying of it at the minute.  If there is 1 death in the next week (from or with) and 2 the week after will there be a headline 100% increase in deaths?

Will be plenty of that tonight from journalists when a high number of cases is expected to be reported. A high figure that will include cases from the weekend.

[Maiden1]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/could-ireland-become-the-wayward-child-of-europe-on-covid-response-1.4343216?mode=amp

Ireland, meanwhile, having achieved one of the lowest incidences in Europe in mid-summer, is now struggling to contain fresh outbreaks. So much so that the latest ECDC figures show our figures are higher than both the UK's and Sweden's. (The death rate in Sweden is 60 per cent higher than in Ireland.)

60% higher than 0 in Ireland in the last week?

Where does anyone mention the last week?

No one mentioned any figures.  That's the point.  It is scare mongering to put % figures on death rates when people generally aren't dying of it at the minute.  If there is 1 death in the next week (from or with) and 2 the week after will there be a headline 100% increase in deaths?

Will be plenty of that tonight from journalists when a high number of cases is expected to be reported. A high figure that will include cases from the weekend.

Fair enough.  I'd like to see an article like above to at least mention that the number of deaths at the minute is low.