China Coronavirus

[larryin89]

Wasn't much heed on social distancing at that Jack Charlton tribute in Dublin .

Yeah but it's grand as long as it's not a funeral of a republican then RTÉ will weigh in .

[ONeill]

Has it not been reclassified as an endemic? aka not going away? (Disclaimer not an expert on what that means but that's my interpretation)

Where did you see/hear this?

[imtommygunn]

My wife told me she had read it in some bbc news article. I will see if I can dig it out. It wouldn't really surprise me.

[edit]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53488142

[Smokin Joe]

It's unfortunately not as simple as that RadioGAAGAA

It pretty needs to be looked at that simply - either make international connections digital or run a strong risk of reintroducing the thing en mass to the population. Neither are good options, which is least worse?

And what about our specialized manufacturing industry where we need to send highly trained technical engineers to commission and set up the equipment that is being exported?

Really specialised equipment can't be commissioned by a sub-contractor.  The complex equipment we sell and manufacture cannot be commissioned by someone who hasn't been with us for a number of years.  What will happen is that if we can't commission it we will lose sales as foreign customers will purchase from a competitor who can attend site.  This wouldn't be good for NI businesses and exporting companies who fall into this (probably small) subset of exporters). 
I guess this is the challenge that the Powers that Be face.  Totally closing down international links would really hammer the economy of a country, so they are trying to walk a tightrope.

It'd need to be done remotely and/or by bringing in subcontractors that are near where the gear is being setup. I know that's really crap and will mean a long slow laborious process which pleases no-one when compared to the norm... but that is still lightyears better than more shutdowns.

[Jeepers Creepers]

Has it not been reclassified as an endemic? aka not going away? (Disclaimer not an expert on what that means but that's my interpretation)

Where did you see/hear this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53488142

[RadioGAAGAA]

But it would ostensibly seem there is now enough evidence available about Covid's lethal potential, for  the general population to make their own judgements on whether it is more of winter flu, or a Spanish flu, in terms of how much it should be feared.

And what I reckon the government are doing is trying to reflect the will of the people, while not quite throwing the ball over the wall.

Unfortunately, there are too many stupid or selfish people that would serve as super spreaders. Individual choice is great, as long as the individual is both informed and selfless.

With the will of the people being one that questions is it worth destroying some economic sectors, or financially ruining the country to keep economic sectors afloat, in order to fend off something that isn't any way efficient at killing people.

Closing airports indefinitely? Is that what we really voted in our politicians to do?

My reply to the first part would be - if it spikes again to the point a 2nd lockdown is needed, then whats the damage of that economically compared to shuttering the parts of the economy that is most likely to lead to a 2nd spike? IMO it would definitely fall on the side of closing airports etc.

The airports would only remain closed until there is a vaccine widely available. Then I suppose in the shorter term until the Irish population has herd immunity, any traveller into Ireland must have paperwork evidence of having (i) got a vaccine within the last X months or (ii) already have had it.

[RadioGAAGAA]

It's unfortunately not as simple as that RadioGAAGAA

It pretty needs to be looked at that simply - either make international connections digital or run a strong risk of reintroducing the thing en mass to the population. Neither are good options, which is least worse?

And what about our specialized manufacturing industry where we need to send highly trained technical engineers to commission and set up the equipment that is being exported?

Really specialised equipment can't be commissioned by a sub-contractor.  The complex equipment we sell and manufacture cannot be commissioned by someone who hasn't been with us for a number of years.  What will happen is that if we can't commission it we will lose sales as foreign customers will purchase from a competitor who can attend site.  This wouldn't be good for NI businesses and exporting companies who fall into this (probably small) subset of exporters). 
I guess this is the challenge that the Powers that Be face.  Totally closing down international links would really hammer the economy of a country, so they are trying to walk a tightrope.

It'd need to be done remotely and/or by bringing in subcontractors that are near where the gear is being setup. I know that's really crap and will mean a long slow laborious process which pleases no-one when compared to the norm... but that is still lightyears better than more shutdowns.

I take it this is somewhere like seagate?

BTW - to clarify motives etc, I work in aerospace. So I'm not exactly advocating shutting down folks without going through considerable pain myself. I'm already only partially working and expect to be standing on the edge of the abyss pretty soon.

[highorlow]

Just read in today's indo that we are down to 7 intensive care covid patients.

It begs the question was this or is this in reality a global nursing / care home pandemic?

[Jeepers Creepers]

Just read in today's indo that we are down to 7 intensive care covid patients.

It begs the question was this or is this in reality a global nursing / care home pandemic?

Hard question to answer because of the lock down.

[RadioGAAGAA]

Just read in today's indo that we are down to 7 intensive care covid patients.

It begs the question was this or is this in reality a global nursing / care home pandemic?

On this island, because actions were taken, a bit later than ideal, but still taken, it has become one mostly of care homes.

Look elsewhere, Lombardy, Brazil and the USA and you can see it has the potential to be so much worse.

[five points]

Just read in today's indo that we are down to 7 intensive care covid patients.

It begs the question was this or is this in reality a global nursing / care home pandemic?

On this island, because actions were taken, a bit later than ideal, but still taken, it has become one mostly of care homes.

Look elsewhere, Lombardy, Brazil and the USA and you can see it has the potential to be so much worse.

Dunno about Brazil but disasters in Lombardy and the NY/NJ/CT/MA were predominantly a result of hospital/"care" home maladministration and negligence.

[RadioGAAGAA]

Dunno about Brazil but disasters in Lombardy and the NY/NJ/CT/MA were predominantly a result of hospital/"care" home maladministration and negligence.

Please do tell us more.

Particularly in the context of it only being a "care home pandemic" if no action were taken.

[five points]

Dunno about Brazil but disasters in Lombardy and the NY/NJ/CT/MA were predominantly a result of hospital/"care" home maladministration and negligence.

Please do tell us more.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/06/hospitalising-coronavirus-patients-can-cause-deaths-italy-data/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-sent-recovering-coronavirus-patients-to-nursing-homes-it-was-a-fatal-error-11589470773

Particularly in the context of it only being a "care home pandemic" if no action were taken.

I made no suggestion in that regard.

[Rossfan]

A doctor in Dublins Mater Hispital has died from Covid.

[RadioGAAGAA]

I made no suggestion in that regard.

Given you replied to my reply about it being "a global nursing / care home pandemic" I don't believe that is an unfair connection to make.