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« Reply #25560 on: April 24, 2022, 08:44:11 AM »
A lot of overreaction (shock horror). I for one can see it for what it was, a very bad day at the office. Some players froze, some spectacularly underperformed, and some played out of position which was alien to them, and 1 or 2 maybe just werenít (or sadly arenít) up to it. It was a cocktail of disappointment on the biggest day of the year for us unfortunately. However, are you seriously now saying we are in such a bad place after a couple of poor league performances against decent division 3 sides and a defeat to a resurgent Cavan side (who were Ulster champions no time ago)? Get your heads out of your ass! I for one was against the managements appointment at the time, but you canít ignore, despite the lack of merit or any form of qualifying CVís, that these lads have restored pride in wanting to play for Antrim. Theyíve created an environment where as much is expected of players in terms of commitment and application as would be in Tyrone or Donegal etc. Theyíve taken us from ambling around in division 4 to competing for division 2 status. Those of you now predictably turning on management as usual, what is your alternative for the county now? Letís hear it. A good bit of cop on required lads. I know weíre all hurting, and questions rightly need asking, but cut the Ďall is lostí bull sĒ@& narrative please.

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« Reply #25561 on: April 24, 2022, 09:28:12 AM »
A lot of overreaction (shock horror). I for one can see it for what it was, a very bad day at the office. Some players froze, some spectacularly underperformed, and some played out of position which was alien to them, and 1 or 2 maybe just werenít (or sadly arenít) up to it. It was a cocktail of disappointment on the biggest day of the year for us unfortunately. However, are you seriously now saying we are in such a bad place after a couple of poor league performances against decent division 3 sides and a defeat to a resurgent Cavan side (who were Ulster champions no time ago)? Get your heads out of your ass! I for one was against the managements appointment at the time, but you canít ignore, despite the lack of merit or any form of qualifying CVís, that these lads have restored pride in wanting to play for Antrim. Theyíve created an environment where as much is expected of players in terms of commitment and application as would be in Tyrone or Donegal etc. Theyíve taken us from ambling around in division 4 to competing for division 2 status. Those of you now predictably turning on management as usual, what is your alternative for the county now? Letís hear it. A good bit of cop on required lads. I know weíre all hurting, and questions rightly need asking, but cut the Ďall is lostí bull sĒ@& narrative please.

Totally agree with every word NSS....
A bad day at the office was an adequate summary of events yesterday.
We started badly with several unforced errors from lads who had been leading the way all season led the narrative.

Mc Ginley and co have led us to a better place in my opinion and unfortunately there are those within, for whatever reason are more than quick to put the boot in...

A resurgent Cavan ran over us, and we must learn the lesson given.

Some former leaders of the pack in our county need to have a honest look within.

In former days we looked to clubs like, St John's, St Gall's, Rossa, to lead the way.....where are they now.
Belfast sides have obviously neglected their duties of care to their youth policies....
Watched Cargin under-15s totally demolish a Davitts side on their own patch on Thursday evening, and such underlines the demise of our games in one of the largest cities in Ireland.

Who within us would have believed if Nostrodamus had predicted six out of the last senior football championships heading to the South West in the past seven years?
 
I think a few within need to grab hold of their proverbial heads and acknowledge the stark realities.

Nobody cares more or hurts more today than Enda Mc Ginley, Stephen O' Neill, Sean Kelly and all those lads who have given a huge amount to raise our profile..


Some need to get a grip, look around and emerge blinking into the real world.



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« Reply #25562 on: April 24, 2022, 09:40:13 AM »
AhÖ itís Belfasts fault  ;D
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« Reply #25563 on: April 24, 2022, 09:57:02 AM »
Strange dig at Belfast there CB, Ryan Murray was far and away Antrims best performer. You must class Hannahstown as SW territoryÖ

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« Reply #25564 on: April 24, 2022, 10:15:03 AM »
My wordÖ..

At least we got to hear about Cargin U15s against Davitts.

The spin on this one is fantastic, yet entirely predictable.

As is your entirely predictable reply.....and your club?

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« Reply #25565 on: April 24, 2022, 10:25:40 AM »
My wordÖ..

At least we got to hear about Cargin U15s against Davitts.

The spin on this one is fantastic, yet entirely predictable.

No mention of 2 man ff line with the wind, discipline issues, poor decision making, physically smaller in most areas, or when we pressed them for final 10 minutes we managed to score 7 points but came back out and went 2 man again ! laboured passing across the pitch backwards passing..

No letís say it was a bad day at the office and Davitts are shit
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« Reply #25566 on: April 24, 2022, 11:07:24 AM »
Yeah sorry  youíre right MR2, the whole things a shambles 🙄, so whatís your solution?

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« Reply #25567 on: April 24, 2022, 11:21:12 AM »
I also can see it for what it was. Players froze, management with questionable tactics which frustrated us in the stand so Iím sure the players were also frustrated. Bit of ill discipline. A very poor ref, pity we didnít have Hurson on the whistle instead of the sideline.

For those throwing the Lenny H name into the mix, we had years of abject managers from within our own county doing the same with poor tactics, who remembers Frank Dawson V Roscommon in Casement?  there was and still is a belief within some of the players that Enda McGinley is the man. This group will be as gutted as the next but letís not bash them. These things happen and letís get it into context here, itís a game of football. There are more important things in life.

Weíll go again. Up the Saffs

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« Reply #25568 on: April 24, 2022, 11:36:19 AM »
Outside view.......why not really go for the Tailtean Cup? Yes it was a bad showing yesterday but it hasn't been a bad 2 years.....louth will probably end up with a hammering at some stage this year......limerick too......its how you bounce back. And the new competition gives you that chance. Who is there to really fear if you give it your all? I can see why a Down might turn the nose up but for most counties this is a fantastic opportunity to build. Go for it!

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« Reply #25569 on: April 24, 2022, 11:38:14 AM »
Yeah sorry  youíre right MR2, the whole things a shambles 🙄, so whatís your solution?

Who mentioned the whole thing?

But letís deflect by saying itís because Belfast isnít winning titles ! Christ the night.  Div 3  secured early on, positive results and close loses, so playing at home against a team below us in the leagues and we came out with negative tactics. This is meant to be the highlight of the year.

To ask you the question why were players playing out of position? And if 1 or 2 arenít up to it as you put it, why were they selected?

We looked punctured at the end, even during it. Our conditioning wasnt the same against a team playing league football below us.

Youíre at home, sizeable support positive league, at least die with your boots on and give it a lash, nothing to lose. Iíve been on the other threads talking about the second tier competition, div 3 and 4 teams should not be competing for Sam.

Plenty on here have been very negative about lots of teams and offered no solution other than, we are alright. If you canít smell the bullshit by some I canít help you
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« Reply #25570 on: April 24, 2022, 11:49:09 AM »
I also can see it for what it was. Players froze, management with questionable tactics which frustrated us in the stand so Iím sure the players were also frustrated. Bit of ill discipline. A very poor ref, pity we didnít have Hurson on the whistle instead of the sideline.

For those throwing the Lenny H name into the mix, we had years of abject managers from within our own county doing the same with poor tactics, who remembers Frank Dawson V Roscommon in Casement?  there was and still is a belief within some of the players that Enda McGinley is the man. This group will be as gutted as the next but letís not bash them. These things happen and letís get it into context here, itís a game of football. There are more important things in life.

Weíll go again. Up the Saffs

Reality is our wins from 1982 in Ulster are:

2000 v Down at home
2003 v Cavan at home
2009 v Donegal away and Cavan at Clones
2014 v Fermanagh away

5 wins in 40 years wasn't the best form going in to yesterday.

But any time we face Cavan or Fermanagh we always are expectant as they aren't Tyrone or Donegal

But yesterday was listless, absolutely no f**king bite bar Ryan Murray and Tomas before half time.

The taking off of 1 of our most potent forwards at halftime Eastwood fucked me off....just the usual, we're not playing well take off the corner forward shite.

He had 2 long balls kicked over his head by Murray, spilled one ball he had at the start and mis timed another ball in the sun......off f**king scraps. He is a threat all game though and taking him off for no replacement in FF line was shocking

The f**king handpassing. Handpsssing to the nearest man for no reason when the man wasn't even committed etc

Handpass fucked up for our goal chance too

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« Reply #25571 on: April 24, 2022, 12:12:23 PM »
Yeah sorry  youíre right MR2, the whole things a shambles 🙄, so whatís your solution?

Who mentioned the whole thing?

But letís deflect by saying itís because Belfast isnít winning titles ! Christ the night.  Div 3  secured early on, positive results and close loses, so playing at home against a team below us in the leagues and we came out with negative tactics. This is meant to be the highlight of the year.

To ask you the question why were players playing out of position? And if 1 or 2 arenít up to it as you put it, why were they selected?

We looked punctured at the end, even during it. Our conditioning wasnt the same against a team playing league football below us.

Youíre at home, sizeable support positive league, at least die with your boots on and give it a lash, nothing to lose. Iíve been on the other threads talking about the second tier competition, div 3 and 4 teams should not be competing for Sam.

Plenty on here have been very negative about lots of teams and offered no solution other than, we are alright. If you canít smell the bullshit by some I canít help you

Youíre pointing out what we already know, but in my opinion itís been a fairly isolated day in the grand scheme of things whereby so much has gone wrong (yes, including from the sideline). But hey, shit happens. To make this into some kind of Ďcrisisí is completely naive and is the type of crap that spirals from our supporters and leads to managerial changes, ultimately bringing us back to square one. I donít want that. I think anyone who doesnít see progress behind what was a hugely disappointing day, is completely blinkered to be honest.

I agree with previous poster on tailteann cup. Itís should be where the focus is on. Regrouping and giving that 100% is what I expect as a supporter. And I hope to see it.

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« Reply #25572 on: April 24, 2022, 12:54:40 PM »
Yeah sorry  youíre right MR2, the whole things a shambles 🙄, so whatís your solution?

Who mentioned the whole thing?

But letís deflect by saying itís because Belfast isnít winning titles ! Christ the night.  Div 3  secured early on, positive results and close loses, so playing at home against a team below us in the leagues and we came out with negative tactics. This is meant to be the highlight of the year.

To ask you the question why were players playing out of position? And if 1 or 2 arenít up to it as you put it, why were they selected?

We looked punctured at the end, even during it. Our conditioning wasnt the same against a team playing league football below us.

Youíre at home, sizeable support positive league, at least die with your boots on and give it a lash, nothing to lose. Iíve been on the other threads talking about the second tier competition, div 3 and 4 teams should not be competing for Sam.

Plenty on here have been very negative about lots of teams and offered no solution other than, we are alright. If you canít smell the bullshit by some I canít help you

Youíre pointing out what we already know, but in my opinion itís been a fairly isolated day in the grand scheme of things whereby so much has gone wrong (yes, including from the sideline). But hey, shit happens. To make this into some kind of Ďcrisisí is completely naive and is the type of crap that spirals from our supporters and leads to managerial changes, ultimately bringing us back to square one. I donít want that. I think anyone who doesnít see progress behind what was a hugely disappointing day, is completely blinkered to be honest.

I agree with previous poster on tailteann cup. Itís should be where the focus is on. Regrouping and giving that 100% is what I expect as a supporter. And I hope to see it.

Unfortunately it will be a new Tommy Murphy cup. The tailteann cup will not get enough of a buy in.. it should be intermediate all Ireland championship for div 3 and 4 teamsÖ no teams at that level should be competing for Sam.. itís like a div club team trying to compete at Senior level.
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« Reply #25573 on: April 24, 2022, 12:55:02 PM »
Hey Duine, yes you're 100% right. I did back it, thought it had real potential. Even though none of Enda Stevie Sean had anything that remotely successful on their CV's I liked the look of the punt, and backed the appointment.

Look, we can get it wrong at times. I am big enough to admit that this isn't going well. And in a constructive way I applaud you for challenging me on that.

Where was Enda etc. at before this?

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« Reply #25574 on: April 24, 2022, 01:30:05 PM »
Enda Swatragh. Stevie Dungiven. Sean St Galls.

No sign of any of them delivering progress during those stints.

But they are all young enough, still on a steep learning curve -  the hope was they could collectively deliver something. Some believe they have, I'm personally not convinced at all tbh. I see far too many fundamentals missing for my liking.

Don't take any satisfaction saying that - would much rather be saying the opposite. Hopefully Pat Spillane will spare us his bi annual rant about how big a disgrace we are on live television tonight.