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Should win the appeal

Can't lift your hand in any shape or form. Can't see it being lifted, liability when it comes to handbags always does something stupid. Another poor performance from donaghy. More space in a club game to shine. Bottled up to easy and often shoots from stupid angles which proves costly at this level. Major positive is how good mc curry is shaping up.

I agree donaghy is finding out the hard way the difference between club and county football although it's only his first handful of games. He would have benefit from mckenna Cup games and a few more league games had this been a normal year.

Silly from Mcnamee. Those saying it isn't dangerous play, where is the cutoff? Closed fist, open hand, finger poke? Just don't put your hand near an opponents face ffs.

Yep. If some slabber who can't take his beatin is in your face just point at the scoreboard and laugh like Brian McGuigan did when getting dogs abuse.

That's the best approach. McNamee has got a bad side to his game. Always best just to laugh it off, it would annoy the opposition more rather than get involved in a shoving match

Silly from Mcnamee. Those saying it isn't dangerous play, where is the cutoff? Closed fist, open hand, finger poke? Just don't put your hand near an opponents face ffs.

Cut off in my opinion is a fist. In you push a player a few inches lower in the chest it's at best a yellow card if even that. Mckerarn got a challenge to the face beside the side line during play in the first half and a free wasn't even given so how is push during a stop in play a red. Like I said we will see how many pushes in the face are reds this year cause it happens in most games. Anyway tyrone won't get past Donegal.

Absolutely brainless by McNamee

There was nothing really in it. He was pushed beside the ref and pushed back albeit in the face. If that's a red the game is finished. Mcgough usually is a good ref but has let too many fouls against Tyrone go today.

Don't talk shite.  After Darren Hughes getting sent off for ruffling McCann's hair you would think you would know that you can push a man in the face

Not talking shit. Simply stating its not a red. Darren Hughes wasn't a red either. I am not some dumb fan like yourself who is afraid to call out a player on their team. McCann dived and should have been banned but a push isn't a red regardless of where it is. See how many of them are given this year. Stupid, needless and uncalled for but it's not a strike or dangerous play.

Absolutely brainless by McNamee

There was nothing really in it. He was pushed beside the ref and pushed back albeit in the face. If that's a red the game is finished. Mcgough usually is a good ref but has let too many fouls against Tyrone go today.

Might not have actually hurt the player, but that doesn't change the fact that it was brainless. If you put your hand on an opponent's face, you're taking a needless risk. It was stupid of McNamee whatever way you want to look at it.

Yeah completely stupid and needless but not a red

Absolutely brainless by McNamee

There was nothing really in it. He was pushed beside the ref and pushed back albeit in the face. If that's a red the game is finished. Mcgough usually is a good ref but has let too many fouls against Tyrone go today.

Ref is soft enough on cavan was 4 or 5 clear fouls there that should have been given but ignored. Decent game so far. Can't really see tyrone going far this year though.

Subs interesting
No Liam Rafferty
Niall Kelly and Ben McDonald wouldn't have been on the bench much during the league
Conroy recently called into squad makes it
Lee Brennan or Ronan O'Neill don't make it

Tyrone have 42 on squad. Far too many.

I doubt Lee brennan will stick around much longer. Ronan should have gone a long time ago. Mckenna has not played well in the last few games either.

Red or not? Twitter seems to think not but Jesus your man's leg.

No red card for me. If you have to stop now and think how might by foot follow through after I get the ball they may as well make it non contact. Cleanly got the ball, he can't help the  player charging in after it.

When I first saw it I was like no chance thats a red, and I am still thinking that. The slow-mo looks brutal though but the fella ran into his challenge

Slow mo makes it worse but for me the 2 important questions are, did he get there first and did he cleanly get the ball. Its a yes for both.

Red or not? Twitter seems to think not but Jesus your man's leg.

No red card for me. If you have to stop now and think how might by foot follow through after I get the ball they may as well make it non contact. Cleanly got the ball, he can't help the  player charging in after it.

I think tyrone will struggle over the next 2-3 years. They have had the same problem for the last 5-6 years, too many "nice" footballers. These lad will score all day if you put it on a plate for them and give them a bit of space.

Tyrone don't have the aggressiveness of the top teams e.g mayo, Dublin, Kerry, Donegal etc. These teams have players who win the dirty ball and who get in the face of the opposition. Too many of the tyrone players don't have that desire they are more concerned about looking good.

O'Neill, mulligan etc were very skillful but could also win the dirty ball and bully defenders. Peter harte is a prime example, wonderfully skilled player but constantly allows himself to be bullied in the big games. Last year he allowed himself to be simply pushed back by the kerry defender anytime he tried to move. Yes he was being fouled but he had to find a way into the game.

For all the abuse tyrone get about being dirty I think they are far too nice. You simply nee players who never say die. Tyrone in the 00's had a team full of them

Not sure what the issue with mckenna is, he doesn't look too happy and has not really stood out in any of the 4 games so far. Donaghey confidence seems low. Either dooher and Co are playing a long con here and are going to unleash a completely different tyrone team in the championship or its going to be a very short season

This will take time.

Many of these players have been playing a way that kept them top 6 but nowhere near competing for silver.

Give the management time to find their feet. Maybe 20 games. Not 4.

Any county with a brand new management in place this year was at a massive disadvantage. No mckenna cup or normal 7 game league to try out new players and systems. Terrible result yesterday but Logan and Dooher did manage to keep tyrone in division one. They've also been without mcshane who's a big loss.

Yeah Dublin were at a massive disadvantage last year.

Bit of a difference considering the size of the Dublin set up. All of tyrones management changed not just the manager. Dublin style hadn't changed really between the managers

This is some shit show. Will take years to undo the damage Harte has done. Our defenders have forgot how to defend.

Lol this team minus Donaghy ran Kerry close less than 2 years ago. Was Colm Cav this important?

Harte was a tactical genius and is sorely missed.

Under harte tyrone haven't beat kerry, mayo or dub since 2008. Things havent changed. It was always going to take logan and dooher a few years to install their influence. I won't judge until they have at least 2 full normal seasons in charge

[It is plain incorrect for Redhand88 to claim that you cannot make critical comment of someone who isn't there to defend themselves. Watch any political debate and if you think that a politician can only be criticised if they are there to defend themselves then you are delusional. The fundamental rule that RedHand88 refers to does not exist.]

What is the basis of the case?

Brolly has gone down in the estimation of one poster for taking a case based upon the Claire Byrne show debacle. But that poster doesn't even know if the case is about the Claire Byrne show.

He behaving like a jilted lover according to another poster. Does that poster know the basis of the case?

Another poster hopes he gets scorched. Do they know what the case is about?

For the record I don't know what the case is about and therefore have no view on its merits.

My own view of the Claire Byrne show is that it was handled badly by the presenter. Everything he said was true. Everything he said should have been allowable. It is plain incorrect for Redhand88 to claim that you cannot make critical comment of someone who isn't there to defend themselves. Watch any political debate and if you think that a politician can only be criticised if they are there to defend themselves then you are delusional. The fundamental rule that RedHand88 refers to does not exist.

If you criticise someone based upon evidence that is not in the public domain or if you imply a motive to a public action the presenter will normally say afterward that there is nobody here to give a counter view.

That isn't what happened here.

Slander laws prevent stuff like this. Of course you can't do it. See the recent Dr Christian Jessen case. This is why BBC/RTE shut down this sort of stuff all the time in debates ("I'm obliged to say if X was here he/she would categorically deny that"). Its a legal case waiting to happen. It doesn't matter if you believe it to be true, can it be categorically proven in a court of law that the DUP as an organisation are homophobic because of the actions of some of its members?

It's not slander if it's true. Joe proved it was true by posting numerous headlines and quotes from papers which were said by the DUP.

Sean should have took Joe to court and got a nice lump sum like arlene did

What case should Sean have taken against Brolly? What was the potential payout that Sean forwent?

Sean didnt take a case. I was saying that how brolly attacked Seans character as a person he could have taken a case against brolly if brolly is taking a case against rte for cutting him off