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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF

« on: June 20, 2022, 01:50:21 PM »

I saw someone on the Orchard Fans forum complaining already about the price of hotels the night of the All Ireland final, ye will be spending a lot of money in Dublin over the next month.

Anyone seen the price of hotels in Dublin for this Saturday night? Jaysus. Planning to go to the minor game on Saturday as well but looks like will have to drive up and down both Saturday and Sunday now. Accommodation very expensive.

Its a farce.

Next time them hospitality reps come on the tv complaining about this and that, they can go to f#$k.

Complete rip off.

500 quid for a standard hotel room, breakfast extra ... WTF .. someone must be paying it that they can get away with it.  To whoever is paying it, catch a grip!

I have no idea how people are paying it. Belfast is the same. 250 quid for a single room on a fri night with no breakfast. Place is packed so there must be plenty of people about with a lot of spare cash.

Belfast has turned into a mini Dublin since Covid began in terms of prices for hotel rooms, food and drinks.

Agreed. Went out in belfast a few weeks ago for a few drinks. Charged £6.50 for a pint of guinness and an dilute orange. £5.50 for the pint and £1 for a dash or orange cordial. Ffs I can buy the entire bottle for £1.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF

« on: June 20, 2022, 01:34:25 PM »

I saw someone on the Orchard Fans forum complaining already about the price of hotels the night of the All Ireland final, ye will be spending a lot of money in Dublin over the next month.

Anyone seen the price of hotels in Dublin for this Saturday night? Jaysus. Planning to go to the minor game on Saturday as well but looks like will have to drive up and down both Saturday and Sunday now. Accommodation very expensive.

Its a farce.

Next time them hospitality reps come on the tv complaining about this and that, they can go to f#$k.

Complete rip off.

500 quid for a standard hotel room, breakfast extra ... WTF .. someone must be paying it that they can get away with it.  To whoever is paying it, catch a grip!

I have no idea how people are paying it. Belfast is the same. 250 quid for a single room on a fri night with no breakfast. Place is packed so there must be plenty of people about with a lot of spare cash.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Rule Change Needed to Stop Puke Keep-Ball

« on: June 20, 2022, 08:19:18 AM »

Stop keepers coming up to take frees and 45s kills about 2 mins at a time.

Agree, 30 sec limit on a any free, use it or lose it.

Good to see a consensus has emerged around what's needed (and I'm ignoring those who think it's grand as it is and we're letting a few high profile games influence our thinking - my guess is they don't watch much club football).
1. Remove forward mark
2. Ball cannot travel back over the halfway line
3. 3 players from each team must remain in each half at all times
4. Keeper can't accept a pass from teammate unless he's inside his own 21 (can't fathom people saying nobody would want to do goals anymore, have they missed the first 130 odd years of Gaelic football and started watching 3 years ago??).

All above rules are easily policed at all club senior levels and don't require additional refs or equipment installed.

I think rule changes are due to be considered ahead of 2023, so who do we send these off to? I presume you're all happy that we say they represent the views of the foremost Ulster gaa discussion board?

So you expect a ref to keep up with the attacking play while trying to monitor potential off the ball fouls along with keeping one eye back down the field to ensure  3 players remain in the other half of the field while also ensuring that no pass goes back past the halfway line.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Donegal (Sun 12th June, Clones, 4pm)

« on: June 14, 2022, 06:55:59 PM »

Still have no idea why patton is getting the blame. I have no love for him but the 2 passes were spot on, the defender fumbled the ball which allowed armagh players time to get the tackle in.

Patton didn't do anything wrong.

I disagree. Given the letoff with the Campbell miss, that one that led to the penalty/black card should have been hammered down the field.

And its not like he didn't have previous evidence to go on.

The two late points that leveled the Ulster Final came from the exact same thing, with Stephen McMenamin arguably fortunate to get off with only a yellow for the pull on McGuigan. Similar f**king around at the end of the league game against Mayo earlier this year.

I accept that its not his blame alone, but he is the one who decides where the kicks are going. For the other of the three short kickouts in that sequence on Sunday that ended with the penalty and black card, Brendan McCole barely escaped the Armagh forwards pressing in on top of him. Patton should have known that it was the wrong option.

Hopefully he learns from it and becomes a top class keeper. Paul Durcan before him made plenty of mistakes early in his Donegal career, but ended up arguably our best ever keeper.

If in both cases the defender holds onto the ball there is no issue at all. Its only an issue due to mishandling by the defender. He if holds on then Donegal can build an attack, if patton goes long and Armagh win it then the long ball is coming straight back towards his own goal. No win situation really for him and again I am no fan of his.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Donegal (Sun 12th June, Clones, 4pm)

« on: June 14, 2022, 04:48:24 PM »

Still have no idea why patton is getting the blame. I have no love for him but the 2 passes were spot on, the defender fumbled the ball which allowed armagh players time to get the tackle in.

Patton didn't do anything wrong.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Donegal (Sun 12th June, Clones, 4pm)

« on: June 13, 2022, 01:26:10 PM »

At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.

You can't be serious? A large number of our fans booed reguarly on frees etc. It was embarrassing.

A sour note on a fantastic showing from Armagh fans. Big numbers and loud, just wish we'd leave the booing at home.

In fairness Murphy earned a few boos for the way he was carrying on.

I'm not a fan of the booing and it looked and sounded classless on TV but a friend at the match said Murphy was at all sorts with Forker and that caused the booing. Still though I'm embarrassed, and it appears the Buckfast Boys have come out of hibernation now that a couple of games have been won.

Noticed the booing with Armagh fans all year. Stupid behaviour from bandwagon fans. Donegal ones used to do it quiet a under Jim mcguinness but thankfully they seem to have cut it out.

Yeah not a fan of the booing myself but lost an awful lot of respect for Murphy yesterday. In fairness the buckfast brigade made the atmosphere I thought. And they fairly belted out the national anthem.

I'm not a fan of the booing but neither would I be getting too sanctimonious on it. There are enough drab games in gaelic football with no atmosphere where you can hear a pin drop with the sideways backwards crap. It's funny that it seems to be mostly Tyrone fans getting upset over it. Maybe they are just raging that they won an AI in front of a half empty Croke Park with no atmosphere.

Would take winning an AI in an empty stadium rather than having my supporters boo the opposition after winning a 2 games back to back after 8 years.

No point defending it. Booing isn't right in gaelic football, if you want to do that go watch a soccer game.

I assume you tell that to your own fans also?

Absolutely. Hate booing altogether. One of the best things about the gaa is that fans can mix in a stadium and not be segregated like soccer. We should all appreciate the skill involved and not have constant booing of players.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Donegal (Sun 12th June, Clones, 4pm)

« on: June 13, 2022, 12:27:15 PM »

At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.

You can't be serious? A large number of our fans booed reguarly on frees etc. It was embarrassing.

A sour note on a fantastic showing from Armagh fans. Big numbers and loud, just wish we'd leave the booing at home.

In fairness Murphy earned a few boos for the way he was carrying on.

I'm not a fan of the booing and it looked and sounded classless on TV but a friend at the match said Murphy was at all sorts with Forker and that caused the booing. Still though I'm embarrassed, and it appears the Buckfast Boys have come out of hibernation now that a couple of games have been won.

Noticed the booing with Armagh fans all year. Stupid behaviour from bandwagon fans. Donegal ones used to do it quiet a under Jim mcguinness but thankfully they seem to have cut it out.

Yeah not a fan of the booing myself but lost an awful lot of respect for Murphy yesterday. In fairness the buckfast brigade made the atmosphere I thought. And they fairly belted out the national anthem.

I'm not a fan of the booing but neither would I be getting too sanctimonious on it. There are enough drab games in gaelic football with no atmosphere where you can hear a pin drop with the sideways backwards crap. It's funny that it seems to be mostly Tyrone fans getting upset over it. Maybe they are just raging that they won an AI in front of a half empty Croke Park with no atmosphere.

Would take winning an AI in an empty stadium rather than having my supporters boo the opposition after winning a 2 games back to back after 8 years.

No point defending it. Booing isn't right in gaelic football, if you want to do that go watch a soccer game.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Donegal (Sun 12th June, Clones, 4pm)

« on: June 13, 2022, 11:57:21 AM »

At the game I only heard two incidents of booing. Both for poor refereeing decisions.

You can't be serious? A large number of our fans booed reguarly on frees etc. It was embarrassing.

A sour note on a fantastic showing from Armagh fans. Big numbers and loud, just wish we'd leave the booing at home.

In fairness Murphy earned a few boos for the way he was carrying on.

I'm not a fan of the booing and it looked and sounded classless on TV but a friend at the match said Murphy was at all sorts with Forker and that caused the booing. Still though I'm embarrassed, and it appears the Buckfast Boys have come out of hibernation now that a couple of games have been won.

Noticed the booing with Armagh fans all year. Stupid behaviour from bandwagon fans. Donegal ones used to do it quiet a under Jim mcguinness but thankfully they seem to have cut it out.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling

« on: June 10, 2022, 09:35:36 PM »

https://twitter.com/sheikhbarabas/status/1535189665103462401?t=jtvMUu4xdKi0q8Jz-xnDbQ&s=19

This goes to show you how good a job Mickey Harte done over the last 10 years, might not have been everyone's cup of tea but to finish one point behind Kerry and ahead of Mayo (considering their significantly weaker provincial games) is a serious achievement.

Thoughts STG?

Fantastic manager.

From talking to many throughout the county the jury is firmly out on the current management team and all eyes will be on them ahead of next year.
Lack of game plan, failure to fully analysis opposition were remarks I have heard but then you hear of throw in analysis so God know where the truth is.

Mickey was a great manager but his time to set aside came and gone. Tyrone struggled under him to beat Kerry or mayo. New management have done that. They have had 1 bad year let's judge them in a few years time.

Mickey issue was his refusal to accept his playing style was not working which is why tyrone always failed at the final hurdle.

Mickey was a yesterdays man. And he didn't "struggle to beat Kerry or Mayo" he simply didn't. Being free of his idiocy empowered Tyrone. Kieran McGeary won POTY. McCurry was rejuvenated. We finally won a 4th All Ireland with a far more limited team that Mickey ever had. Mickey stifled Tyrone football. And while 2021 was a great year it will take probably 5-10 years to fully rid us of the damage Mickey inflicted on us. 2022 is a legacy of Mickey. Logan and Dooher need more time, a lot more time.

Mickeys legacy was the 4th AI. Unfortunately I think we are slowly seeing the the last kicks from his time dying out. Wasn’t many seasons under Mickey as short. I really hope Logan and Dooher pull it together next year again. But the cynic in me says we were lucky last year. Hope I’m wrong tho. Another bad season next year and the wolves will be at the door.

An argument could been made that his first AI was a result of Arts legacy.

Can't believe people are questioning new management already. 2 years in charge and stayed in division one both times, won ulster and won the all ireland.

Mickey wasn't judged after the failure in 2004 to win back to backs so let's give the guys a bit of time.
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You nean the year his captain passed away?

Yes 2004 was different but the fact still remains. Again not too many were questioning him in 2006,2007,2009,2010 etc etc when he failed yet the current management is being questioned after 1 poor year.

Another question could be asked was it mickey that won those AIs or the players? As when that 2003-2008 grouo passed on tyrone won no AIs. However dooher and Co were able to take a mickey team which couldn't win and AI and win it.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling

« on: June 10, 2022, 05:21:44 PM »

https://twitter.com/sheikhbarabas/status/1535189665103462401?t=jtvMUu4xdKi0q8Jz-xnDbQ&s=19

This goes to show you how good a job Mickey Harte done over the last 10 years, might not have been everyone's cup of tea but to finish one point behind Kerry and ahead of Mayo (considering their significantly weaker provincial games) is a serious achievement.

Thoughts STG?

Fantastic manager.

From talking to many throughout the county the jury is firmly out on the current management team and all eyes will be on them ahead of next year.
Lack of game plan, failure to fully analysis opposition were remarks I have heard but then you hear of throw in analysis so God know where the truth is.

Mickey was a great manager but his time to set aside came and gone. Tyrone struggled under him to beat Kerry or mayo. New management have done that. They have had 1 bad year let's judge them in a few years time.

Mickey issue was his refusal to accept his playing style was not working which is why tyrone always failed at the final hurdle.

Mickey was a yesterdays man. And he didn't "struggle to beat Kerry or Mayo" he simply didn't. Being free of his idiocy empowered Tyrone. Kieran McGeary won POTY. McCurry was rejuvenated. We finally won a 4th All Ireland with a far more limited team that Mickey ever had. Mickey stifled Tyrone football. And while 2021 was a great year it will take probably 5-10 years to fully rid us of the damage Mickey inflicted on us. 2022 is a legacy of Mickey. Logan and Dooher need more time, a lot more time.

Mickeys legacy was the 4th AI. Unfortunately I think we are slowly seeing the the last kicks from his time dying out. Wasn’t many seasons under Mickey as short. I really hope Logan and Dooher pull it together next year again. But the cynic in me says we were lucky last year. Hope I’m wrong tho. Another bad season next year and the wolves will be at the door.

An argument could been made that his first AI was a result of Arts legacy.

Can't believe people are questioning new management already. 2 years in charge and stayed in division one both times, won ulster and won the all ireland.

Mickey wasn't judged after the failure in 2004 to win back to backs so let's give the guys a bit of time.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling

« on: June 10, 2022, 12:36:43 PM »

https://twitter.com/sheikhbarabas/status/1535189665103462401?t=jtvMUu4xdKi0q8Jz-xnDbQ&s=19

This goes to show you how good a job Mickey Harte done over the last 10 years, might not have been everyone's cup of tea but to finish one point behind Kerry and ahead of Mayo (considering their significantly weaker provincial games) is a serious achievement.

Thoughts STG?

Fantastic manager.

From talking to many throughout the county the jury is firmly out on the current management team and all eyes will be on them ahead of next year.
Lack of game plan, failure to fully analysis opposition were remarks I have heard but then you hear of throw in analysis so God know where the truth is.

Mickey was a great manager but his time to set aside came and gone. Tyrone struggled under him to beat Kerry or mayo. New management have done that. They have had 1 bad year let's judge them in a few years time.

Mickey issue was his refusal to accept his playing style was not working which is why tyrone always failed at the final hurdle.

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General discussion / Re: Price of a Pint

« on: June 07, 2022, 03:41:41 PM »

It's strange as people are obviously out every weekend paying these crazy drink and hotel prices. I make a decent living and have no idea where these people are getting the money at.

Price a hotel in Belfast for 1 night with the partner. Over 200 quid. Went down to an apartment in a popular town down south and got 2 nights for 160 quid. Pints were cheaper as well.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Tyrone [Athletic Grounds, Sun 5th June, 1.30]

« on: June 06, 2022, 02:03:34 PM »

But the cause is simple to identify: a group of established players unexpectedly won an All Ireland title. Their life goal was achieved. So some of the players sailed off into the sunset, and some more turned it down a notch. Even if there’s a couple of psychotic must-win-at-all-costs leaders within the camp, it’s not enough to counteract a reduction in effort and desire from so many.

But it’s not, because you are just throwing out a possibility same as everyone else.
It’s not one I’d subscribe to tbh, it may be part of the issue but in my view I think there were other issues. So we’re hardly losing the run of ourselves to be discussing them.

Imo the issue is Tyrone played Division 1, beat a few Ulster teams but were never really genuine All Ireland contenders in the years before 2021. Dublin and Mayo were the two contenders 2015 - 2020. Tyrone got a bit of luck last season and my guess is many in the Tyrone camp knew that, and realise getting it again would be unlikely.

Tyrone 2022 are similar to Tyrone pre 2020, they'll battle on but when challenged by a good team in the championship they more than not fall the wrong side of the result. The previous management team imo worked wonders with Tyrone football and the new management team benefited off the back of that but got the luck around the semi final issues.

Tyrone will regroup but this season shouldn't be a big shock, there'll be more defeats and early exits in the years ahead whilst they rebuild.

Not winning an AI again definitely isn’t a shock. But I’d have fancied them to get to the later stages at least. We usually do. More the manner in which we bowed out tbh. And the fact that we didn’t click all year. It’s not a big deal in the grand scheme of things and the under age looks good. But still poses some questions.

An overlooked issue is that after winning the AI the players were playing with their clubs until Dec 2021. Then they had a holiday in Jan 2022 then straight I to mckenna cup, league and championship. There was no real time to rest and regroup and refocus like there normally is. Basically the team hadn't stopped since early 2021

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Tyrone [Athletic Grounds, Sun 5th June, 1.30]

« on: June 05, 2022, 10:23:25 PM »

Armagh the better side and taking nothing from them.
Curious there is not more talk of Nugent raising his hand to Teague early on. It looked, albeit there was no replay, a red card?

   lol  I thought exactly the same. It was a slap to the head, not saying there was a whole lot in it but it was the same as the Kennedy one which got him sent off

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Tyrone [Athletic Grounds, Sun 5th June, 1.30]

« on: June 05, 2022, 05:51:17 PM »

McCurry scored 7 today. 4 were from frees. He missed a couple too. This Tyrone couldn’t buy a free talk is just that. Talk

Tell the commentators that. They are the ones who said it