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#1
Quote from: armaghniac on July 17, 2024, 06:57:27 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 17, 2024, 05:35:16 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 16, 2024, 11:57:10 PMFrom the Times. Notice the Shite about Sue Gray's pub, you would think that it was in Cullyhanna, not Mayobridge


Vibes are really not good - just think it's going to be the case that Labour let some time pass, say that the cost are too high/timeline too short to be ready for the Euros/Tories should have supplied the money two or three years ago and reduce the amount of cash significantly.

The fact that UEFA has a contingency plan in place that will net them more money and make folks in London, Wales, the Republic and Scotland happier looks to be a final nail in the coffin.



This would be OK if they provide some money, on the basis that the project has been held up further by all this talk of Euros and the previous government actually nominated Casement. With some money there is a possibility of building a GAA stadium of some sort.

I'd say there's no way that there are going to provide no cash whatsoever. What I do think is likely is that Ulster GAA will end up getting way way less than they would have if they'd managed to cash in the Tory/in time for the Euros/blank cheque deal.

What I'd be concerned about is that Ulster GAA will be too ambitious with what they build, the project will inevitably end up going over budget and Ulster GAA end up with a massive debt that they will be struggling to pay off for decades - also know as the Cork GAA model. Rather than just one county being screwed up, funding accross Ulster for clubs and counties takes an absolutely massive hit for years(possibly decades) to come with the priority being money to pay off the debt. I'm concerned that way too many of the Ulster GAA folk still seem to think that once the stadium is built that it will be some sort of magic infinite money machine.
#2
Quote from: Manning18 on July 17, 2024, 05:33:46 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on July 17, 2024, 09:29:56 AMIf you are a diehard county supporter and not really a club person, then the season ticket was a no brainer. If you went to all the games and didn't have a season ticket then more fool you.


I disagree on the season ticket. They've decimated the perks of it so much that you'd think they're trying to dissuade people from using it. Upping the price so that there's basically no discount, removing the free championship game etc. Worst of all is removing the option to add a person next to you for a game, if you want to bring your parent, mate or even a kid along. Most people don't want to sit alone. No idea why they removed that

It's obviously amazing for the peace of mind on occasions like this but it's not as if either county is Dublin or Kerry. A final was unlikely for both

Maybe a bit conspiracy theory-ish but the season ticket reduces the importance of a whole lot of GAA insiders "pull" around All-Ireland tickets a fair bit. Reduces Croke Park insiders, county board insiders and even the influence of club insiders soft power in terms of providing tickets to folks. A lot of these inside GAA people just don't like the idea that some random punter off the street can guarantee themselves an all-Ireland ticket by going to ticketmaster and simply paying for the season ticket and not having to engage with a club at all. 



#3
Quote from: armaghniac on July 16, 2024, 11:57:10 PMFrom the Times. Notice the Shite about Sue Gray's pub, you would think that it was in Cullyhanna, not Mayobridge


Vibes are really not good - just think it's going to be the case that Labour let some time pass, say that the cost are too high/timeline too short to be ready for the Euros/Tories should have supplied the money two or three years ago and reduce the amount of cash significantly.

The fact that UEFA has a contingency plan in place that will net them more money and make folks in London, Wales, the Republic and Scotland happier looks to be a final nail in the coffin.
#4
Quote2.7    (a)      When the ball is played over the endline by the Team attacking that end, or after a score   
          is made, play is restarted by a kick-out off the ground from the centre point of the 20m line
          and shall be kicked forward.
          If the goalkeeper is not taking the kick-out, The goalkeeper shall stay in the small rectangle,
          and all other players, except the player taking the kick-out, shall be outside the 20m line,         
          outside the semi-circular arc and 13m from the ball until it has been kicked.
          The player taking a kick-out may kick the ball more than once before any other player       
          touches it but may not take the ball into the hands.
          The ball shall travel not less than 13m and outside the 20m line before being played by         
          another player of the defending team.
    (b)      The Player taking the kick-out after the ball goes wide or a score shall have the             
          option of using a standard tee as approved by Central Council.
    (c)      A player in direct receipt of a kick-out may not pass the ball to their team's goalkeeper       
          without another player playing the ball.

Part (c) is pretty clear to me - the full back can get the ball directly back from the first receiver of the ball, but the goal-keeper cannot.
#5
GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Kerry
July 11, 2024, 07:43:37 PM
I think this article gives a very strong insight into the way Jack O'Connor is thinking.

QuoteJACK O'Connor and Kerry were never going to move unimpeded onto an All-Ireland SFC final four without poking through the entrails of that damned Derry quarter-final. With Gaelic football in the dock, O'Connor's good manners in meeting media on Monday presented the forum for further discussion on the state of the game.

When we left him in the media room in the bowels of Croke Park over a week ago, he said folk were living on the outer realms of sanity if they thought success went hand-in-hand with a pick-up sort of game, free-wheeling and fancy. Having watched their 0-15 to 0-10 victory back, he wasn't minded to change in that respect, but conceded Kerry weren't exactly at full throttle themselves.

Though, he explained, there might be historical reasons for such conservatism.

"I am well aware it was a very unattractive game, he reasoned. "Could we be better against that kind of set up? Absolutely. But remember, Kerry have got burned in the past against teams that set up like that.

"That set up is completely designed for you to give away the ball and the opposition to hit you on the counter attack. It's not a huge surprise that our players were a bit conservative, maybe a bit too careful at times with the ball. And maybe that aggravated people."

He added: "Remember it's only 2021 that Kerry came up against a similar set up against Tyrone in an All-Ireland semi-final, and had 33 turnovers and conceded three goals in that game. When you've been burned like that in the past ,it does possibly leave a bit of scar tissue.

"I am not saying we are tactical geniuses (now). Go back again to that game in 2021, before this management took over, you can't keep giving the ball back to the opposition like that and not expect to get punished for it.

"That (episode) informed a lot of our coaching in the couple of years since. The game has changed. Sure we would love to kick the ball first time into David Clifford, we'd love to kick in a few high ones. It's not living in the real world to expect us to be bombing the ball in like 2004 when we had Johnny Crowley, Dara O Cinnéide and Kieran Donaghy. A lot of the times they were one on one in there."

The sense that something not dissimilar awaits Kerry in Saturday's semi-final is Armagh does not demand a stretch of imagination, but O'Connor wasn't about to start advising the opposition how to milk their cows.

"I am not going to criticise any teams for setting up like that, they are not breaking the rules, as they stand. People are dissatisfied with the game, and we are not overly happy with the way it is either, but we have to play what is in front of us. Teams set up in the best way to give them their best chance of winning. I presume they will be solid defensively and play on the counter attack, but who knows, they might a more attack minded game. We have to be prepared to play it both ways.

"My sense is that Kerry supporters and observers in general believe that Kerry, or any team, can come out of the blocks and play barnstorming football, and blow oppositions away. That's absolutely not the real world, the way that teams are setting up at the moment."

Both before he took over in 2000, and when O'Connor was in the final year of his first term in 2006, Kerry and Armagh played a pair of ding-ding Croke Park battles, with the score 1-1.

"In that quarter final in 2006, we played Armagh in one of the most enjoyable games I have ever been involved in. That time you could walk around the back of the goals, which I did, because our backs were under ferocious pressure. The way Armagh were playing, with Steven McDonnell and Ronan Clarke inside, and Oisin McConville playing off them was fantastic football to watch and very effective. But you try to do that now, and more often than not the backs are going to be coming out with it purely on the basis of numbers.

"We'd love to go back to that era, that was an absolutely epic game, one of the games (outside of All-Irelands) that stands out in my head. But football has changed dramatically in the meantime and we had to change with it."

So the Derry affair is washed out of their hair at this stage? "Again, could we have been more energetic, and more adventurous, even with those constraints on the day? Of course, we could. But you can't blame the players, who had got burned against that sort of system in the past, for having to feel their way into the game. In the second half we got the mix and the balance a bit better.

"It was a very structured game, and we were thinking on the sideline that it was going to take some fella coming in here and doing something different. That's what Cillian Burke did, he hit straight lines and punched holes, the sort of stuff he's very good at. He was exactly the right man at the right time to break that system and structure that Derry had. That gave our fellas the lead and confidence to drive on and go for it."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41432407.html

#6
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on July 11, 2024, 03:17:20 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 11, 2024, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on July 11, 2024, 02:44:15 PM
Quote from: weareros on July 11, 2024, 01:28:32 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 11, 2024, 12:45:45 PMExaminer reporting that UEFA accepts Casement won't be ready for Euro soccer tournament and that Cork Co Board are seeking to have De Páirc given the Casement slot.

Would be a great location with ferry and airport to continental Europe. However, it only has a seating capacity of 21,000 and UEFA requires 30,000 plus. They would need to show they could install temporary seating to meet the needs. At this stage I'd say UEFA would opt for sure bet soccer stadia than taking any more chances.

Would it not need serious money thrown at it to get to UEFA standard. Isn't that the main reason casements costs soared. The pairc would need at least tens of millions

It's on a big site though, I don't know if temporary buildings are allowed, you could have a lot of corporate facilities on the site.

The corporate and media requirements for the euros are ridiculous but for the pairc to be a serious option realistically you are looking at 2 new stands behind the goals

Really can't see UEFA or the Irish government being willing to risk going with Pairc Ui Chaoimh given the situation with Casement and Pairc ui Chaoimh's recent performance in terms of the stadium refurbishment, given the amount of work that PuC would require.

Far less risky for UEFA to go with the stadiums in the UK that are far more suited in terms of the seating requirements and the media and hospitality requirements.

Also given Cork GAA's recent history if Puc did manage to be chosen I wouldn't be surprised if the county board somehow managed to end up losing money on this.
#7
Quote from: weareros on July 11, 2024, 12:28:45 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on July 11, 2024, 10:28:51 AMWhat bugs me (amongst other things) is that Antrim will be locked out most days of the years.  Just my hunch, but I'll not be at all surprised. 

Anyway, if England win the Euros and they all get carried away, there'll be a wee political window to get the money released as soccer will be the be all and end all for a while.

Were that to happen it would certainly give truth to the Seanfhocal - it's an ill wind that doesn't bring some luck.

It possibly might help some bit, but I think the fact that the odds of Casement being used for the Euros game are close to zero now, mean the final result/getting to the final aren't likely to help all that much in terms of what Labour pony up.

#8
GAA Discussion / Re: Donegal v Galway
July 11, 2024, 12:32:25 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 10, 2024, 10:10:19 AMIn terms of the game where are Galway fitness wise?

Like if they get Comer and Walsh going well it's some difference.
Sean Kelly too, and their bench is stronger too.

IF they get to the final they could be stronger again.


That's the big question for this game.

Even in terms of physical fitness a big thing for me is match fitness/sharpness - it's one thing to get players on the pitch but I'd be concerned about the levels of sharpness in a semi-final. Two weeks isn't exactly much time to get players tuned in, if the main focus is trying to get players right physically.

Looking back on the Dublin game, Galway were really lucky to still be in the game at half-time. They were being beaten all over the place in the first half by Dublin.I do think there is a possibility this actually helped Galway in the second half - it really looked to me like a few of the Dublin got a bit complacent and  struggled when the game was in the melting pot in the second half.

If they perform anything like that in the first half the next day I don't think Donegal will be anywhere as close to Dublin in terms of not making hay while on top.

Personally I'd be leaning towards Donegal for the win mainly because of Galway's fitness issues and how Walsh and Comer looked the last day.
#9
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on July 08, 2024, 11:25:14 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 08, 2024, 10:34:05 AMClones isn't really fit for purpose.

Build a modern 25-30k stadium if the euros money isn't happening.

Fully agree.

The concern is that even a 25k stadium might be more than the Ulster Council can afford/lead to a repeat of the PuC situation (massive debt for years to come) depending on how little/much Labour are willing to contribute, especially with the Euros off the table.
#10
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 08, 2024, 06:40:20 PMHow many people knew about this Louth talent before Harte became manager of them? They had a better/longer championship this year and a worse league campaign. 2025 will likely show how much Louth has actually kicked on under Brennan or year one under him was more about the ground work that was already done by Harte.

I'm pretty sure I remember Oisin McConville going on about it on one of the GAA podcasts or on the radio.

Remember him saying that the levels of footballing talent at Dundalk IT improved significantly in his first few years there and he expected it to bear fruit before too long at county level.

If McConville was mentioning this in the media, it was hardly a massive secret that Louth were likely to go on an upswing.

This was definitely before Harte took over because I remember at the time thinking Harte had some idea of this because there were people surprised he went to Louth.

#11
GAA Discussion / Re: GaaGo
June 30, 2024, 11:28:24 AM
+ 1 on Murphy - he's been very good any time I've heard him

Fingers crossed he gets promoted to the Sunday Game sooner rather than later.

#12
QuoteTo block or attempt to block with the boot when an opponent is kicking the ball from the hand(s).

The actual wording of the foot block rule - 2 important things to remember

1) with the boot - 
and
2) when an opponent is kicking the ball



#13
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 29, 2024, 05:30:33 PMRoscommon mistakes have handed this to Armagh. 2 sloppy goals.
Armagh with only 9 points to Roscommon's 11.
Roscommon tiredness maybe, but they are still fighting here, just some awful shooting. 9 wides and I think they said 6 short.
Brutal.

Poor shooting is something that I would say is fairly strongly correlated with tiredness, especially of the sort Roscommon had today with the number of shots dropped short.
Also Roscommon had to make 2 subs in the first half - fairly rare you would see that in a championship game - I'm sure that a sports scientist would say there is good odds that is likely related to players having a knock going into the game or the increased likelihood of picking up an injury when playing tired.

Armagh lucky Roscommon were so poor today. Play like they did today in the semi-final and they'll be out.
#14
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2024, 02:17:07 PMWas up at our club a couple of times, was interviewed by him, briefly, as we had a double club final appearance at Croke park with our hurlers and Footballers in our centenary year..

He just sat in the club like one of your old clubmen, blended in like a regular, having the chat and recalling stories

Got him to sign his book, which I might have another read. the stories in it are great



Met him once and that description of him as being like an old clubmen really nails it. Totally matches the vibe he gave off, down to having the chat about who I was related to and games he remembered from years back relatives had played in. Absolute gentleman.
#15
Quote from: Itchy on June 26, 2024, 10:07:15 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2024, 09:29:24 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 26, 2024, 08:17:12 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2024, 07:32:53 AMWas it him that said that "And that's Joe Rabbit chasing Pat Fox in tbe corner, wow I never thought you'd see a rabbit chase a fox"



2nd post on this thread has a link to some of his more famous commentaries, including the fox and rabbit one.


Pat Fox has it on his hurl and is motoring well now, but here comes Joe Rabbitte hot on his tail... I've seen it all now, a Rabbitte chasing a Fox around Croke Park!

Funnily enough the other night I was refereeing a game and there was two lads with animal nicknames playing on opposing teams, one called tiger and the other rhino..

Country lads have some nicknames all the same 

One of the nephews is friends with a "Badger".
He's a country lad.
Asked him my nephew where the nickname came from and got the standard teenager "Dunno" and shrug.