Three Hours of Sunlight Per Day Ulster Senior Football Club Championship 2013

[DennistheMenace]

Ballinderry looking good for Ulster I think.

On what are you basing this?  Have you seen all the other teams play?  Have you even seen Ballinderry play?

Lets just call it a hunch!

You've changed your tune..

[Ballinderry will need to have improved a lot from last year if they are to beat Clonoe out the gate. Errigal beat them last year in a close enough affair and I can tell you that Clone of 2013 are every bit as good as Errigal of 2012 and maybe even a bit better.

On the 14th October I thought it would be a Cross v St Galls final. Based on games seen and performances since that date I have changed my opinion also.

Fair enough, I never thought Cross would get there this year. Having seem Ballinderry play this year several times, they will take some stopping. St Galls I only seen in their final v Cargin and they aren't near the force they once were.

[LeoMc]

Ballinderry looking good for Ulster I think.

On what are you basing this?  Have you seen all the other teams play?  Have you even seen Ballinderry play?

Lets just call it a hunch!

You've changed your tune..

[Ballinderry will need to have improved a lot from last year if they are to beat Clonoe out the gate. Errigal beat them last year in a close enough affair and I can tell you that Clone of 2013 are every bit as good as Errigal of 2012 and maybe even a bit better.

On the 14th October I thought it would be a Cross v St Galls final. Based on games seen and performances since that date I have changed my opinion also.

Fair enough, I never thought Cross would get there this year. Having seem Ballinderry play this year several times, they will take some stopping. St Galls I only seen in their final v Cargin and they aren't near the force they once were.

4 years ago they won an Ulster & All-Ireland with a largely new and unknown team so I was not writing them off even with their missing players.
A left footed kicker they would have beaten Kilcoo the second day out and they have had  the upper hand on the Shamrocks the past couple of years. I don't know how that would have played out in the Ballinderry players heads had they been facing Cross rather than Kilcoo.

I was only latching onto your picking at EC for changing his mind about Ballinderry.

[EC Unique]

Ballinderry looking good for Ulster I think.

On what are you basing this?  Have you seen all the other teams play?  Have you even seen Ballinderry play?

Lets just call it a hunch!

You've changed your tune..

[Ballinderry will need to have improved a lot from last year if they are to beat Clonoe out the gate. Errigal beat them last year in a close enough affair and I can tell you that Clone of 2013 are every bit as good as Errigal of 2012 and maybe even a bit better.

I thought Clonoe would have beaten them and with more than a 6 day break they might have. After they beat Clonoe I then fancied them to win Ulster and at 6-1 I put my money where my mouth is.

[RadioGAAGAA]

With Kilcoo getting beat, what does that say about Crossmaglen?

Ach, I wouldn't read too much into it.

It was plain after 5 mins that fatigue and injuries from the two extra time games v Cross was an overbearing factor in the game.

[brokencrossbar1]

With Kilcoo getting beat, what does that say about Crossmaglen?

Ach, I wouldn't read too much into it.

It was plain after 5 mins that fatigue and injuries from the two extra time games v Cross was an overbearing factor in the game.

So although they beat us, ultimately in the end up we beat them?  Maybe they should leave Seamus McFerran where he is then?

[RadioGAAGAA]

So although they beat us, ultimately in the end up we beat them? 

I would expect had the roles been reversed, the same end result would have occurred.


In a game between any of the three teams, with a fit and rested squad, I wouldn't be putting down much money.

[DoYerJob Linesman]

If it is believed that Ballinderry had an advantage over kilcoo owing to the extra weeks rest, I would argue that this advantage was earned.  We won a tight game with Scotstown, something Kilcoo couldn't do in their game with Cross.  This gave us the extra week.

If anyone should have complaint it would be Clonoe.  Owing to their countys inability to get their championship finished, we had extra rest compared to them for the preliminary game.

[J OGorman]

Fatigue my hoop..its an hour of football lads, not an full iron man ! A weeks rest should be plenty

[Milltown Row2]

Fatigue my hoop..its an hour of football lads, not an full iron man ! A weeks rest should be plenty

Factor in hard hits, mental fatigue, heavy legs, physical work that some of the players may also have to do, farming !! Flip there could be a stack of reasons to be burnt out, but I'm sure they would change the opportunity of getting to another Ulster final and beating Cross along the way

[Throw ball]

I see Gaelic Life reporting Jamie Clarke is back in Ireland. A few weeks too late for Cross.

[RadioGAAGAA]

If it is believed that Ballinderry had an advantage over kilcoo owing to the extra weeks rest, I would argue that this advantage was earned. 

Here, not saying Ballinderry didn't fully deserve to win or that anything was unfair about Sunday; we had Cross beat twice in normal time and contrived to nearly throw it away both times.

Just saying I wouldn't read too much into the game on Sunday with regards the respective strengths of each of the three teams. Fatigue meant it was always a mismatch.

[nrico2006]

I have never had any bother playing games one week after another, never experienced 'fatigue' either.  I think that this is a contagious excuse/term that seems to have seeped into peoples heads the past few years with reagrds to hurling and football. 

[brokencrossbar1]

I have never had any bother playing games one week after another, never experienced 'fatigue' either.  I think that this is a contagious excuse/term that seems to have seeped into peoples heads the past few years with reagrds to hurling and football.

I know what you mean, I recall one of the years we won the Ulster we played 5 weeks on the trot, think it was 1999 and Armagh had been in the AI semi that year.  The difference though is that the conditioning of the players is at a whole new level now and the hits they are taking are consistently harder than we suffered.  The bodies are finding it harder to recover, I watch the training now and it is at a much greater pace than I ever saw. 

[nrico2006]

I have never had any bother playing games one week after another, never experienced 'fatigue' either.  I think that this is a contagious excuse/term that seems to have seeped into peoples heads the past few years with reagrds to hurling and football.

I know what you mean, I recall one of the years we won the Ulster we played 5 weeks on the trot, think it was 1999 and Armagh had been in the AI semi that year.  The difference though is that the conditioning of the players is at a whole new level now and the hits they are taking are consistently harder than we suffered.  The bodies are finding it harder to recover, I watch the training now and it is at a much greater pace than I ever saw.

Don't get me wrong, some players might suffer if they have picked up knocks that don't get the time to heal but the majority of players should not be overly influenced from the previous weeks game.  If anything, its the intensity of training during the week that will dictate the state of the players on matchday.

[rodney trotter]

I have never had any bother playing games one week after another, never experienced 'fatigue' either.  I think that this is a contagious excuse/term that seems to have seeped into peoples heads the past few years with reagrds to hurling and football.

I know what you mean, I recall one of the years we won the Ulster we played 5 weeks on the trot, think it was 1999 and Armagh had been in the AI semi that year.  The difference though is that the conditioning of the players is at a whole new level now and the hits they are taking are consistently harder than we suffered.  The bodies are finding it harder to recover, I watch the training now and it is at a much greater pace than I ever saw.

Don't get me wrong, some players might suffer if they have picked up knocks that don't get the time to heal but the majority of players should not be overly influenced from the previous weeks game.  If anything, its the intensity of training during the week that will dictate the state of the players on matchday.

If a team like Kilcoo played extra time in consecutive weeks they are obviously going to be a bit fatigued.

Most club teams wouldn't go over board in training during the week, as they would have momentum of games. week by week.