East wall #Irelandisfull

[armaghniac]

If life expectancy in the 26 counties was reduced to the 6 county level then there would be 40,000 more houses available and a fair few hospital beds as well.

[seafoid]

Before the Famine Ireland's population was Circa 8m. Total population now is ~ 7m. The idea that Ireland is "full" is for the birds.

Obviously the infrastructure needs improved but that can be achieved.

It's nothing to do with space or land. There is any amount of that. Its resources.
A bigger problem than migrants is the childbirth rate over the last few decades. Its not sustainable.

has it not gone down?

It's going down yes. But it will take a while for that to have an effect as people are living longer.

Older women can't have kids. The key cohort is probably 30-40.
House prices mean both spouses have to work. Average salaries are maybe 40k
House prices are several multiples of this. The lifestyle militates against having 3 kids.
Not building social housing keeps house prices up. Just saying.

The likelihood of having 3 brothers from one family on an all Ireland team (Connollys 1980, Dooleys 1994, Spillanes at various times) is very low now.

[Milltown Row2]

If life expectancy in the 26 counties was reduced to the 6 county level then there would be 40,000 more houses available and a fair few hospital beds as well.

So it's actually better to die younger instead of this clogging up the system with over aged unwell elderly people.

So a Logan's Run approach might save the planet and provide affordable housing

[RedHand88]

Before the Famine Ireland's population was Circa 8m. Total population now is ~ 7m. The idea that Ireland is "full" is for the birds.

Obviously the infrastructure needs improved but that can be achieved.

It's nothing to do with space or land. There is any amount of that. Its resources.
A bigger problem than migrants is the childbirth rate over the last few decades. Its not sustainable.

has it not gone down?

It's going down yes. But it will take a while for that to have an effect as people are living longer.

Older women can't have kids. The key cohort is probably 30-40.
House prices mean both spouses have to work. Average salaries are maybe 40k
House prices are several multiples of this. The lifestyle militates against having 3 kids.
Not building social housing keeps house prices up. Just saying.

The likelihood of having 3 brothers from one family on an all Ireland team (Connollys 1980, Dooleys 1994, Spillanes at various times) is very low now.

And any family that produces 3 young male footballers will see at least 1 of them emigrate.

[Armagh18]

Before the Famine Ireland's population was Circa 8m. Total population now is ~ 7m. The idea that Ireland is "full" is for the birds.

Obviously the infrastructure needs improved but that can be achieved.

It's nothing to do with space or land. There is any amount of that. Its resources.
A bigger problem than migrants is the childbirth rate over the last few decades. Its not sustainable.

has it not gone down?

It's going down yes. But it will take a while for that to have an effect as people are living longer.

Seen an interview with Elon Musk a while back, he reckoned that underpopulation not overpopulation will be the issue in the future especially in the West.

[From the Bunker]

Just 22 % of New PPS numbers went to Irish people in 2022.
Cromwell would be jealous of Ireland's New Plantation.
Of 286,168 New Personal Public Service numbers given out in 2022 only 64,721 went to people born in Ireland...that's a mere 22.61%.

[Armagh18]

Just 22 % of New PPS numbers went to Irish people in 2022.
Cromwell would be jealous of Ireland's New Plantation.
Of 286,168 New Personal Public Service numbers given out in 2022 only 64,721 went to people born in Ireland...that's a mere 22.61%.

280k issued? Thats a lot of new workers in a year is it not?

[Rossfan]

All the Irish ones are new babies I presume.
70k Irish out of 174k in 2021.
In 2022 all the Ukrainians got ones as well.
At around 2.5m the workforce is at its largest ever.

[Itchy]

Just 22 % of New PPS numbers went to Irish people in 2022.
Cromwell would be jealous of Ireland's New Plantation.
Of 286,168 New Personal Public Service numbers given out in 2022 only 64,721 went to people born in Ireland...that's a mere 22.61%.

I assume none of your family ever moved abroad to work

[Saffrongael]

Just 22 % of New PPS numbers went to Irish people in 2022.
Cromwell would be jealous of Ireland's New Plantation.
Of 286,168 New Personal Public Service numbers given out in 2022 only 64,721 went to people born in Ireland...that's a mere 22.61%.

280k issued? Thats a lot of new workers in a year is it not?

Is it just needed for work or also for the dole ?

[Eamonnca1]

Seen an interview with Elon Musk a while back, he reckoned that underpopulation not overpopulation will be the issue in the future especially in the West.

Thon boy says a lot of things. Seldom does he have a clue what he's talking about.

[laoislad]

Seen an interview with Elon Musk a while back, he reckoned that underpopulation not overpopulation will be the issue in the future especially in the West.

Thon boy says a lot of things. Seldom does he have a clue what he's talking about.

Armagh18 or Musk?

[From the Bunker]

Just 22 % of New PPS numbers went to Irish people in 2022.
Cromwell would be jealous of Ireland's New Plantation.
Of 286,168 New Personal Public Service numbers given out in 2022 only 64,721 went to people born in Ireland...that's a mere 22.61%.

I assume none of your family ever moved abroad to work

My daughters Boyfriend is Lithuanian. My sons best friend is Polish. Both come from decent families. Both are more Irish than us and expose my children to other foods, ways and ideals.
All of my fathers family immigrated to England/Wales.
I have no bother with people coming here to work, have a new life. Temporary or permanent.

But we have to be more open in detailing what our policies are, the quantities involved and what is our long term plan.
We are not being told these things and not many seem to be asking or seem afraid to ask (or blindly don't care).

[seafoid]

Before the Famine Ireland's population was Circa 8m. Total population now is ~ 7m. The idea that Ireland is "full" is for the birds.

Obviously the infrastructure needs improved but that can be achieved.

It's nothing to do with space or land. There is any amount of that. Its resources.
A bigger problem than migrants is the childbirth rate over the last few decades. Its not sustainable.

has it not gone down?

It's going down yes. But it will take a while for that to have an effect as people are living longer.

Seen an interview with Elon Musk a while back, he reckoned that underpopulation not overpopulation will be the issue in the future especially in the West.

I think there is a very strong link between house prices and the fertility rate. If house prices go down and families can be raised on a single wage I bet fertility rates will increase.

[Armagh18]

Seen an interview with Elon Musk a while back, he reckoned that underpopulation not overpopulation will be the issue in the future especially in the West.

Thon boy says a lot of things. Seldom does he have a clue what he's talking about.

Armagh18 or Musk?

Wish I was a pound behind him!