East wall #Irelandisfull

[ThomasMullan]

A neighbour is married to a Uruguayan, another to a Latvian, another to a  Mexican, another to a Brazilian, another to an American and another to an Asian(not sure which country). There are also a few Dubs and even a brit about too.

Should I be getting worried? they all have irish partners, is that ok? is it only if they are all Mexicans, Brazils, Uruguayans etc. that i need to worry or is it just the Africans. Should I tell my neighbours in case they havent realised that they are culturely different...

I have an Irish wife, but I might get her to do an ancestry.com as I am beginning to think you can never be too careful.

I also live within 7kms of two direct provision hotels used by refugees and cannot recall any issues with locals.

All these things are true, but they do not shed much light on the issue. People who come willing to marry a local are not really the issue, how about people who would be disgusted if their daughter married a local?

The prejudice is reeking off you. You have no idea what the opinions of immigrants are to family members marrying locals. None whatsoever.

[Milltown Row2]

Armagh18 or Combat18?

Is this bred into people still or are you just born a Cnut?

[armaghniac]

A neighbour is married to a Uruguayan, another to a Latvian, another to a  Mexican, another to a Brazilian, another to an American and another to an Asian(not sure which country). There are also a few Dubs and even a brit about too.

Should I be getting worried? they all have irish partners, is that ok? is it only if they are all Mexicans, Brazils, Uruguayans etc. that i need to worry or is it just the Africans. Should I tell my neighbours in case they havent realised that they are culturely different...

I have an Irish wife, but I might get her to do an ancestry.com as I am beginning to think you can never be too careful.

I also live within 7kms of two direct provision hotels used by refugees and cannot recall any issues with locals.

All these things are true, but they do not shed much light on the issue. People who come willing to marry a local are not really the issue, how about people who would be disgusted if their daughter married a local?

The prejudice is reeking off you. You have no idea what the opinions of immigrants are to family members marrying locals. None whatsoever.

Neither do you have any idea. 

[armaghniac]

Its pretty obvious to me that Ireland is full, in terms of infrastructure that meets accept health & safety criteria. Our local village / town has taken in about 160 from the Ukraine. They live in substandard conditions, heaps of them packed into small hastily partitioned rooms, the building previously a dis-used factory. The building does not meet heath & safety regulations, yet a blind eye is turned to this, the fat cats that own the building (local scumbags / politicans etc) are cleaning up money wise, its a gravy train for the usual suspects.
My daughters class has gone from 26 pupils to 36 pupils in a year, she & all of their class mates are not getting a half decent education. The sewerage system / drinking water infrastructure can't handle the sudden shock increase in population. Saying Ireland is full goes beyond perceived living square miles of open space.
I feel sorry for Ukrainians & others who are genuine in their applications for political assylum, we do need as a country to try & do our best to accommodate them as best we can. Open borders to everybody should not exist, people who come here over the age of 22 should contribute to society, as regards people who come here & cause bother, they should be fucked out straight away, no ifs no buts no bleeding hearts.
I have mixed views on East Wall, some God dam awful racist pricks involved, but putting 300 males into a village / esb buliding not fit for use, without consultation is not a good idea. Again what ammenities, resources do these people have.
On a national level do we have enough hospital beds, teachers, GP's etc, civil service personnel, Police to cater for a sharp rise in population? We don't, so we are full. Sinn Fein the peoples party have remained very silent on all this.

Another thing people are annoyed with, why dont some of these settlements end up in leafy addresses in D4 etc.

Whether or not you consider Ireland overpopulated, there is a limit on the rate of increase that can be accommodated without someone seriously losing out.
At no time between 1860 and 1910 did the proportion of foreign born in the US exceed 15%, which we have here now. But you can't just go and build a little house in the prairie here.
 

[tonto1888]

There is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.

The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home.  Not much cultural assimilation there.

Nonsense

I've lived in the States for 30+ years

Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with

Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.

They are of the same religion.

They work in the same trades

The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.

Exactly.Ireland is a prosperous country in its own right, if you like America then you stay, if not then you go home. You do not stay in America and gripe about it or form a jihadi group to try and overthrow it. Many Americans come here and the same thing applies to EU countries. The same would apply to any Japanese or Singaporeans that come here, they have choices. What is dangerous are people who do not like the country but come here anyway because of deficiencies in their own country. The most recent lot in Rosslare did not even seem to know what country they were going to!

You only think that until you go there and hang out with them.

The Anglosphere is overrated. But that does not change the fact that America has had a long association with Ireland and with our immediate neighbours and other European countries and so has more similarities culturally with us than Afghanistan.

not uncommon wit asylum seekers

[Eire90]

mayo county council votes to cease all operations to do with the government and thier refugee scheme

[ThomasMullan]

A neighbour is married to a Uruguayan, another to a Latvian, another to a  Mexican, another to a Brazilian, another to an American and another to an Asian(not sure which country). There are also a few Dubs and even a brit about too.

Should I be getting worried? they all have irish partners, is that ok? is it only if they are all Mexicans, Brazils, Uruguayans etc. that i need to worry or is it just the Africans. Should I tell my neighbours in case they havent realised that they are culturely different...

I have an Irish wife, but I might get her to do an ancestry.com as I am beginning to think you can never be too careful.

I also live within 7kms of two direct provision hotels used by refugees and cannot recall any issues with locals.

All these things are true, but they do not shed much light on the issue. People who come willing to marry a local are not really the issue, how about people who would be disgusted if their daughter married a local?

The prejudice is reeking off you. You have no idea what the opinions of immigrants are to family members marrying locals. None whatsoever.

Neither do you have any idea.

That's right, how could I? The difference is I haven't filled my head with prejudiced nonsense, like you have.

At least you admit you haven't a clue what their opinion is.

[Eire90]

rumours tipperary to follow mayos lead and tell dublin to do one 

[burdizzo]

rumours tipperary to follow mayos lead and tell dublin to do one 

Good for them. People finally starting to wake up. Of course, there's local elections coming, too, which might not be completely irrelevant...

[PadraicHenryPearse]

rumours tipperary to follow mayos lead and tell dublin to do one 

what's the make up of Mayo and tipp council... FFG amd independents I assume

edit: heavy ffg in Mayo... split ffg and independent in Tipp.

[From the Bunker]

The problem is not trickles of people settling here, People here married to Irish, here from EU to work, here from Britain, legitimate refugees and so on.....

The question is where does this stop? Do we have a ceiling of the amount we let in? Do we just have a free for all?

We are a small populated country. A substantial influx will have a huge influence on our Health, education, Social, Cultural, Criminal systems that are already under pressure.

There used to be a reason for Passports, Visas, Borders and so on, but that seems to have vanished in the last couple of years.

Saying the above is now cheaply labeled as racist.

[From the Bunker]

[Eire90]

Apparently the government are going to buy a disused hotel in the middle of roscrea

[armaghniac]

Apparently the government are going to buy a disused hotel in the middle of roscrea

So they close the one that is open and then buy another one! Had the bought the old one last year when Russia invaded Ukraine then they would not have need to close the operational one.

[Rossfan]

Apparently the government are going to buy a disused hotel in the middle of roscrea

So they close the one that is open and then buy another one! Had the bought the old one last year when Russia invaded Ukraine then they would not have need to close the operational one.

The Private owner of the Racket Hall obviously decided he could make more € by making it available to the State for accommodating asylum seekers.
Being out in the Country on a former main road not the most profitable I suspect.
How many of the hotel and ither property owners in Mayo who are making loads of € from accommodating Ukranians/asylum seekers are members or supporters of FF and FG.