East wall #Irelandisfull

[thewobbler]

Nobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.

Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.

But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.

Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.

And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living  thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.

But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.

Thats scary.

So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.

This is not a black and white situation.

Great post. There is a huge level of the unknown. You can't be expecting people to sit on their hands and watch their community drastically change in way that no one can predict.

Yes it's terrible, townsfolk will have to now walk around Roscrea and look at some people from another country where they don't have white skin. I can't imagine how they will cope when they've never had to do that before.

Can you explain to me how their 'way of life' is threatened exactly?

Can you explain where all the money is coming from to finance this?
Can you explain why we are almost turning a blind eye to this problem?
Can you explain why local, national and international media don't cover our ''Problem'' in any critical way?
Can you explain all the local investors who are sprouting up to provide accommodation (and making lots of money)?
Can you explain the conflicts that are currently happening in Algeria, Albania, Nigeria, etc that are making these Refugees come here?
Can you explain how 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you explain why 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you give me a figure of what is the appropriate ceiling of people to allow into the country? Half a Million? A Million?
Do you think that this massive influx will have an influence on our already stretched Health, Education, Travel, Judicial, Cultural systems?

The Irish state will pay for it. The pocket money given to the asylum seekers will go straight into the local economy. A bit like the dole - none of it is being squirrelled away in an off shore tax haven.

The 'problem' as you call it exists in the heads of these people, whipped up by racist scum bags on Xitter and hundreds of bot accounts (that's well organised by someone).

Has your 'way of life' been affected thus far?

You are utterly obsessed with racism.

People like you are the reason the Catholic Church could house paedophile rings for decades. You have no interest in understanding what's going on. No interest in listening. All you want to do is bang a drum.

Jesus!! That's some stretch

I don't think so MR2.

When the stock response to every mumbling, every quibble, every thought, is to decry the concern as racism, then you're dealing with someone who is caught in a mangle between zealotry and denial.

It's the same type of thought process that condemns people to hell for not going to mass.

The zealots are those manning the barricades against some imagined threat. Calling it a 'plantation' ffs!

And once again.

"Imagined threat". Or as you keep putting it, if a person has any concerns with immigration in their town, it's because they're a racist. No other reason. All other reasons  are imaginary. Just racism. Racism racism racism. Racism. Racism. Repeat to fade.

[burdizzo]

It's a way of shutting down the debate - as if there ever was one. And now there's the start of a debate, they're finding they're not so good at it!

[Milltown Row2]

Buzz, is it people with different coloured skin? Different religions beliefs or people from other countries?

We were farmed out to every country in the world because there was nothing here.

As for shutting down debate, not sure boycotting, rioting, burning down facilities is much of a debate

[ThomasMullan]

Unbelievable the resources being thrown at this by the government. If you're looking for extra resource hours for Irish children in a school - "Oooh, I don't think we could manage that". But for Ukrainians, you'll have 'em in jig time.

Madness! Should just throw them back  to Crimea ffs!

Wise up

Wise up? The ones from Crimea aren't coming here, let me tell you. Do you follow what's going on, at all? Anyway, even if they were, why shouldn't an Irish citizen get priority in their own country?

Crimea is overwhelmingly pro-Russia. Anyway, that's for another thread.

For this one - why shouldn't an IRISH citizen be prioritised in their own country?

Ukrainians had to flee Crimea for their lives in 2014 - the results of a sham referendum don't change that fact - but that's for another thread.

Anyway, why should anyone need to be prioritised when the government can afford to provide for all.

But you prefer to punch down instead of up. It's easier.

[ThomasMullan]

Burdizzo has already spewed a fair bit of anti-Islamic sentiment here but he definitely isn't a racist. He has other legitimate concerns about his Way of
life being eroded.

[burdizzo]

I was saying, it's easier to get extra resources for Ukrainians, than for Irish. So, the government appears to be prioritising the Ukrainians, when it should be the other way around. Y'know - should OUR government - you know, the ones WE elect to 'serve' US - provide for all the world, with OUR taxes?

[burdizzo]

Burdizzo has already spewed a fair bit of anti-Islamic sentiment here but he definitely isn't a racist. He has other legitimate concerns about his Way of
life being eroded.

Oh yeah? Where was that, then?

[ThomasMullan]

I was saying, it's easier to get extra resources for Ukrainians, than for Irish. So, the government appears to be prioritising the Ukrainians, when it should be the other way around. Y'know - should OUR government - you know, the ones WE elect to 'serve' US - provide for all the world, with OUR taxes?

So there are Ukrainian only schools in Ireland?

[ThomasMullan]

Burdizzo has already spewed a fair bit of anti-Islamic sentiment here but he definitely isn't a racist. He has other legitimate concerns about his Way of
life being eroded.

Oh yeah? Where was that, then?

Are you a goldfish?

"On yeah - wait 'till there's a significant minority of Muslims here, and then you'll see your wonderful liberal values being eroded. Ironically, no Church, no bulwark against Islam. "

[burdizzo]

Burdizzo has already spewed a fair bit of anti-Islamic sentiment here but he definitely isn't a racist. He has other legitimate concerns about his Way of
life being eroded.

Oh yeah? Where was that, then?

Are you a goldfish?

"On yeah - wait 'till there's a significant minority of Muslims here, and then you'll see your wonderful liberal values being eroded. Ironically, no Church, no bulwark against Islam. "

It's not anti-Islamic, at all. Maybe I can't wait for the day your lovely liberal values are eroded!! And, by the way, one line does not constitute "a fair bit".

[burdizzo]

I was saying, it's easier to get extra resources for Ukrainians, than for Irish. So, the government appears to be prioritising the Ukrainians, when it should be the other way around. Y'know - should OUR government - you know, the ones WE elect to 'serve' US - provide for all the world, with OUR taxes?

So there are Ukrainian only schools in Ireland?

What are you talking about?!! Sheesh! Ye spiteful socialists are really no good at this!

[ThomasMullan]

Burdizzo has already spewed a fair bit of anti-Islamic sentiment here but he definitely isn't a racist. He has other legitimate concerns about his Way of
life being eroded.

Oh yeah? Where was that, then?

Are you a goldfish?

"On yeah - wait 'till there's a significant minority of Muslims here, and then you'll see your wonderful liberal values being eroded. Ironically, no Church, no bulwark against Islam. "

It's not anti-Islamic, at all. Maybe I can't wait for the day your lovely liberal values are eroded!! And, by the way, one line does not constitute "a fair bit".

It is completely anti-Islamic. Did you let the mask slip? Anger does that.

[ThomasMullan]

I was saying, it's easier to get extra resources for Ukrainians, than for Irish. So, the government appears to be prioritising the Ukrainians, when it should be the other way around. Y'know - should OUR government - you know, the ones WE elect to 'serve' US - provide for all the world, with OUR taxes?

So there are Ukrainian only schools in Ireland?

What are you talking about?!! Sheesh! Ye spiteful socialists are really no good at this!

You were complaining about Irish school kids not getting something or other but money was found for the Ukrainians. Anyway, like I said, punching down on the new arrivals, rather than on the government who can afford for all. Brave man.

[burdizzo]

Burdizzo has already spewed a fair bit of anti-Islamic sentiment here but he definitely isn't a racist. He has other legitimate concerns about his Way of
life being eroded.

Oh yeah? Where was that, then?

Are you a goldfish?

"On yeah - wait 'till there's a significant minority of Muslims here, and then you'll see your wonderful liberal values being eroded. Ironically, no Church, no bulwark against Islam. "

It's not anti-Islamic, at all. Maybe I can't wait for the day your lovely liberal values are eroded!! And, by the way, one line does not constitute "a fair bit".

It is completely anti-Islamic. Did you let the mask slip? Anger does that.

Not at all. I'm just pointing out how Islamic values are completely contrary to the ones you profess to espouse!

[Milltown Row2]

What's those values?

Terrorising refugees?